Tea Partiers harassed by IRS?

[CountDeMoney]

Four pinocchios is the maximum, actually.  It's 4 out of 4.

Whoa.  Harsh toke.  I think it's more like 1 out 4.

I'd go along those lines too. Shall we dub him the waffler. I dont get his waffling either. Unless for some odd reason he was trying to protect Susan Rice.

He's a lawyer.  They're all lawyers.

[Valmy]

How could that be illegal?  I mean surely the IRS profiles, is that entirely illegal or only certain sorts?

[11B4V]

At the daily news briefing, Mr. Carney manifested the difficult spot in which the White House finds itself, dodging and weaving under tough questioning over the leak investigation, the I.R.S. case and Benghazi.

I would imagine so.

[11B4V]

Four pinocchios is the maximum, actually.  It's 4 out of 4.

Whoa.  Harsh toke.  I think it's more like 1 out 4.

I'd go along those lines too. Shall we dub him the waffler. I dont get his waffling either. Unless for some odd reason he was trying to protect Susan Rice.

He's a lawyer.  They're all lawyers.

Ah, I had forgotten that. Waffling comes natural then.

[merithyn]

Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. Every politician does it! But somehow, for some reason, when Obama does it, it's this ugly nefarious thing. It's insanity!

Is your position that every politician except Obama gets a pass when they present "nuanced versions of the truth?"

I thought that I'd been pretty clear. Every politician does it. Every politician should be called on it when it happens. But... harping on it like this is ridiculous.

To me, it's the difference between telling a child no for telling a small lie and spanking him for it. It's an inappropriate response to the crime.

[merithyn]

He's a lawyer.  They're all lawyers.

More importantly, he's a career politician. One doesn't get to have that job without getting really good at equivocation.

[CountDeMoney]

At the daily news briefing, Mr. Carney manifested the difficult spot in which the White House finds itself, dodging and weaving under tough questioning over the leak investigation, the I.R.S. case and Benghazi.

I would imagine so.

I watched Carney's briefing today.  Even on good days, he's bad.
They really need to get better press guys.  I realize you've got to stick to the script, but the last several ones over several administrations have totally sucked from an extemporaneous speaking aspect when it comes to Q&A time.

[derspiess]

Four pinocchios is the maximum, actually.  It's 4 out of 4.

Whoa.  Harsh toke.  I think it's more like 1 out 4.

Take it up with Mr. Kessler.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought that I'd been pretty clear. Every politician does it. Every politician should be called on it when it happens. But... harping on it like this is ridiculous.

To me, it's the difference between telling a child no for telling a small lie and spanking him for it. It's an inappropriate response to the crime.

A couple thoughts.

Without this relentless, unfair, inappropriate harping you never would have moved your position from "nothing to see" to "it's a small lie and Obama should be spanked for it."

The Washington Post and the US Senate are not a Borg collective.  The Washington Post wrote (AFAIK) one fact-checking story about his claim in the debate.  That's hardly an inappropriate response.

It's an entirely different matter whether the Senate investigation is inappropriate or not, but surely you realize they are not only investigating the pressing national security issue of whether Obama's statement during the debate is true or not.

[Maximus]

Now we wrestle with the semantic issue of what's a lie and what's not.  The Wash Post dude gave it 4 Pinnochios (I assume out of 10).  That sounds about right to me.  Obama was asked for clarification on several occaisions and waffled.  He was asked a yes or no question and chose not t answer yes or no. It's a little odd to me that he would waffle on it, I don't really see the harm in calling it a terrorist act, I don't understand Obama's motivation to waffle, but there it is.  Then after waffling 6 or 7 times he says in a debate he says he called it a terrorist act from the get go.

How many Pinnochios do you think that rates?  Zero?

I'm not defending the waffling; I don't get why he would do that either. However if we believe the article derspeiss linked he called it an act of terror 3 times in the 2 days following the attack.

So yea, not a lie.

[Admiral Yi]

However if we believe the article derspeiss linked he called it an act of terror 3 times in the 2 days following the attack.

Not by reading.  He repeated the Rose Garden formula. 

"Mr. President, was the attack in Benghazi a terrorist act?"

"Those who commit terrorist acts should know we will hunt them down and bring them to justice."

[Valmy]

However if we believe the article derspeiss linked he called it an act of terror 3 times in the 2 days following the attack.

Not by reading.  He repeated the Rose Garden formula. 

"Mr. President, was the attack in Benghazi a terrorist act?"

"Those who commit terrorist acts should know we will hunt them down and bring them to justice."

He said that?  IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!111

We have shitloads of problems with this country and all sorts of garbage the Executive branch does that are outrageous and this is the unconsequential nonsense we waste our time hand wringing about?  God...I...just do not know what to say sometimes.

[Maximus]

Not by reading.  He repeated the Rose Garden formula. 

"Mr. President, was the attack in Benghazi a terrorist act?"

"Those who commit terrorist acts should know we will hunt them down and bring them to justice."

That's waffling, but it's also calling it a terrorist attack, unless you completely ignore context.

[derspiess]

Whoops.  Even more for the President to be outraged about

http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

[merithyn]

Whoops.  Even more for the President to be outraged about

http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

What the fuck? Did they have monkeys running this place?