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[Admiral Yi]

The question is not whether they can be attacked; diplomats *can* be attacked just about anywhere in the world.  The question is whether the host country can provide a reasonable degree of security.  If they cannot, then the question becomes whether we can provide a reasonable degree of security using our own resouces, as we have been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Razgovory]

Libya wasn't just any third world country.  It was a war-torn country with jihadists running around. 

What I would like cleared up at this point are: why nothing was done to try and assist the ambassador and his bodyguards during the siege (apparently some special forces types in Tripoli were ready to move but were told to stand down), and why Obama apparently dumped it all on Panetta at 5:00pm that day and detached himself from the whole situation.

Were is your source on this "standing down"?

[Valmy]

Oh FFS what have I done?

I meant 'at worst' there Raz.

[CountDeMoney]

You think he should be walking around with a Company of Marines?

Either that or its equivalent, or not gone at all.

That's not your call;  that's the ambassador's.

[11B4V]

[Razgovory]

The question is not whether they can be attacked; diplomats *can* be attacked just about anywhere in the world.  The question is whether the host country can provide a reasonable degree of security.  If they cannot, then the question becomes whether we can provide a reasonable degree of security using our own resouces, as we have been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The United States was an occupying force in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[derspiess]

Libya wasn't just any third world country.  It was a war-torn country with jihadists running around. 

What I would like cleared up at this point are: why nothing was done to try and assist the ambassador and his bodyguards during the siege (apparently some special forces types in Tripoli were ready to move but were told to stand down), and why Obama apparently dumped it all on Panetta at 5:00pm that day and detached himself from the whole situation.

Were is your source on this "standing down"?

Gregory Hicks's testimony a week & a half ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57583014/diplomat-u.s-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

[11B4V]

Libya wasn't just any third world country.  It was a war-torn country with jihadists running around. 

What I would like cleared up at this point are: why nothing was done to try and assist the ambassador and his bodyguards during the siege (apparently some special forces types in Tripoli were ready to move but were told to stand down), and why Obama apparently dumped it all on Panetta at 5:00pm that day and detached himself from the whole situation.

Were is your source on this "standing down"?

Gregory Hicks's testimony a week & a half ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57583014/diplomat-u.s-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

Funny how that was a week and a half ago, eh. Yet Raz has no clue.

[Admiral Yi]

The United States was an occupying force in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes it was.

[alfred russel]

You think he should be walking around with a Company of Marines?

Either that or its equivalent, or not gone at all.

That's not your call;  that's the ambassador's.

The ambassador has a responsibility to keep himself safe. It isn't just about his own life: it creates a shitstorm when an ambassador gets killed.

[CountDeMoney]

The ambassador has a responsibility to keep himself safe. It isn't just about his own life: it creates a shitstorm when an ambassador gets killed.

The ambassador was dedicated to BUILDING BRIDGES with ENGAGEMENT.

[alfred russel]

You think he should be walking around with a Company of Marines?

Either that or its equivalent, or not gone at all.

Okay, the first one is not really something we can do.  Most countries object to large groups of very heavily armed men wandering through their country.  The second one means we would have to withdraw or severely limit our diplomatic activities in a whole bunch of countries.  Like most of Africa, the Middle East and several Latin American countries.  This doesn't seem like a good solution.

When you put diplomatic personnel in a country you accept a risk that they could be attacked.  If this is an example of ineptness then every President since Washington has been guilty of it.

Raz, the ambassadors to many countries are protected by marines. The marines don't go wandering through the hotspots in war torn countries, but then neither do ambassadors.

[The Minsky Moment]

Lois Lerner gets 4 Pinocchios, Languish to complain about Pinnochio inflation.

Yeah the Pinocchio claim is really quite weak.  Especially when the main attack is on the numbers, and WaPo doesn't even have the numbers for 2012.  If this is 4 out of 4 what is left when there is a real set of bald faced lies?

[garbon]

Libya wasn't just any third world country.  It was a war-torn country with jihadists running around. 

What I would like cleared up at this point are: why nothing was done to try and assist the ambassador and his bodyguards during the siege (apparently some special forces types in Tripoli were ready to move but were told to stand down), and why Obama apparently dumped it all on Panetta at 5:00pm that day and detached himself from the whole situation.

Were is your source on this "standing down"?

Gregory Hicks's testimony a week & a half ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57583014/diplomat-u.s-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

Funny how that was a week and a half ago, eh. Yet Raz has no clue.

Why? Sane people generally have their eyes glaze over when someone mentions Benghazi.

[alfred russel]

The ambassador has a responsibility to keep himself safe. It isn't just about his own life: it creates a shitstorm when an ambassador gets killed.

The ambassador was dedicated to BUILDING BRIDGES with ENGAGEMENT.

Nick Berg had a similar plan.