2016 elections - because it's never too early

[garbon]

My best friend is black.

Let's not talk about your dick.

Whoa.

[Viking]

mars has like 1/20th the atmosphere the earth has, much more relative carbon dioxide, but much less total.

Aslo, no substantial magnetic field.

[Syt]

My best friend is black.

Let's not talk about your dick.

Whoa.

[Razgovory]

Immigration is an issue only because the Teabaggers won't shut up about it.  Because freedomness and libertitude means hating immigrants.

Immigration policy should focus on what most benefits current American citizens-- Agree or Disagree?

Immigration policy should focus on immigration policy, not partisan bullshit designed to whip up the base into more of a racist, xenophobic frenzy than it already is.

ANSWER PLEASE

I agree.  Though that doesn't necessarily follow that we should build a wall south of the border.  In fact, what "benefits" the current citizens is sorta vague.  For instance, I would stay that moving millions of loyal Mexican immigrants into Alabama benefits the citizens of the US.  Alabama was a hot bed of treason, therefore moving more loyal people into the area would help prevent a second civil war.

[derspiess]

I agree. 

Good.  At least we have a base line to work from.  I never said there wasn't room for disagreement on what actually *is* best for current US citizens.

Though that doesn't necessarily follow that we should build a wall south of the border.  In fact, what "benefits" the current citizens is sorta vague.  For instance, I would stay that moving millions of loyal Mexican immigrants into Alabama benefits the citizens of the US.  Alabama was a hot bed of treason, therefore moving more loyal people into the area would help prevent a second civil war.

That's cute.  I'm not sure how moving loyal Mexicans is going to help that situation, unless you think Reconquista types and Lost Cause types can somehow cancel each other out

[LaCroix]

doesn't illegal immigration help the US economy? i thought some article was posted on languish years ago about alabama losing millions after illegals fled the state due to some new law. private businesses aren't supposed to employ illegals, but they do anyway. the consequence is the private business pays less, and the illegal gets paid. seems mutually beneficial

[Razgovory]

I agree. 

Good.  At least we have a base line to work from.  I never said there wasn't room for disagreement on what actually *is* best for current US citizens.

Though that doesn't necessarily follow that we should build a wall south of the border.  In fact, what "benefits" the current citizens is sorta vague.  For instance, I would stay that moving millions of loyal Mexican immigrants into Alabama benefits the citizens of the US.  Alabama was a hot bed of treason, therefore moving more loyal people into the area would help prevent a second civil war.

That's cute.  I'm not sure how moving loyal Mexicans is going to help that situation, unless you think Reconquista types and Lost Cause types can somehow cancel each other out

Southern culture is a detriment to this country.  The Mexicans are likely to be more loyal, after all the ones living in this country have never caused a civil war.  Presumably you have different idea of what benefits this country.

[Eddie Teach]

doesn't illegal immigration help the US economy? i thought some article was posted on languish years ago about alabama losing millions after illegals fled the state due to some new law. private businesses aren't supposed to employ illegals, but they do anyway. the consequence is the private business pays less, and the illegal gets paid. seems mutually beneficial

Private business pays less -> American workers get paid less. This is why there's a disconnect between the shareholder-value loving Chamber of Commerce and the voters.

[Valmy]

doesn't illegal immigration help the US economy? i thought some article was posted on languish years ago about alabama losing millions after illegals fled the state due to some new law. private businesses aren't supposed to employ illegals, but they do anyway. the consequence is the private business pays less, and the illegal gets paid. seems mutually beneficial

This is why, cynically, I think illegal immigration continues despite so many claiming they are going to stop it.

[derspiess]

doesn't illegal immigration help the US economy? i thought some article was posted on languish years ago about alabama losing millions after illegals fled the state due to some new law. private businesses aren't supposed to employ illegals, but they do anyway. the consequence is the private business pays less, and the illegal gets paid. seems mutually beneficial

There are benefits, for sure.  But there are costs as well. 

[LaCroix]

There are benefits, for sure.  But there are costs as well.

well, there's always a cost to something, but does the monetary benefit outweigh the monetary cost? i don't find the national security argument persuasive, nor the argument that a hired mexican means an unhired american

[Razgovory]

I think he's thinking about welfare.

[derspiess]

Southern culture is a detriment to this country.

I have no affinity for Southern culture myself, but that is a bit harsh.

The Mexicans are likely to be more loyal, after all the ones living in this country have never caused a civil war. 

I'm not sure I've ever met any Southerner who was responsible for a civil war, either. 

Presumably you have different idea of what benefits this country.

Yeah, I guess.  But I also don't have a seething hatred for such a large number of my countrymen.

[Valmy]

I think he's thinking about welfare.

And health care and schooling.  The Texas Xenophobes are always claiming that two billion percent of our education budget goes to educating illegals.

[Valmy]

I'm not sure I've ever met any Southerner who was responsible for a civil war, either. 

I saw the ghost of Jefferson Davis when I was in Richmond back in '05.