20 people shot at Batman midnight screening.

[DGuller]

Maybe after the results of the fist attempt they simply didn't think it would be worth it to try again.

[DGuller]

I'm not sure how it makes sense to include expected future wealth in one's net worth.

It actually makes a lot of sense, but given subjective nature of such evaluations, it's usually not done.

[Martinus]

I would be very surprised if Marty wasn't in the Polish 1%.

Top 1% for income?  Sure.

Top 1% for wealth?  I have my doubts.

Why are you assuming that my parents won't be leaving me anything? I am helping them as they do not have income, but they own a large house with a garden near Warsaw and a collection of antique cars. One of the cars there alone is worth about 1 million zloty.

I'm not sure how it makes sense to include expected future wealth in one's net worth.

I am not. But Barrister's point seems to be that unlike a lot of other people I started from scratch and as a result would not be in the top 1%. I haven't started from scratch.

[szmik]

I'm definitely in top 1% of Poles when it comes to person wealth.

you're merely doing good, compared to most Poles, but 1%? Who the fuck are you? Ryszard Krauze? 

Krauze is in 0.000001% of Poles. You know that 1% is a lot of people, right? You are talking about someone who is on the list of 100 richest Poles. Unless, there are only 10,000 Poles in total, it takes much much less money to be in 1% of wealthiest Poles, you know.

oh, well, 1% is around 370k people, and I still doubt you're there.

Most people are poor, but hell, I live in small town (under 40k) and if you take local council, each member is much, much wealthier than you, and owning his/her profitable business. Now there're businessmen who don't give shit about going into politics and there's couple dozens around here, including high level managers. And there're other small towns like that you don't give a shit about, but they exist.
Not to mention bigger cities and Warsaw. Hell, I'd say you're not even in 1% of Warsaw wealthiest citizens.

So I seriously doubt you're in 1% taking whole country. But it's fun to have delusions like that. 
Now if you owned a business, that might be different story. As long as you're just hired you won't ever get to 1%. Unless you're top consultant and have the freedom to choose your jobs.

[Martinus]

I'm definitely in top 1% of Poles when it comes to person wealth.

you're merely doing good, compared to most Poles, but 1%? Who the fuck are you? Ryszard Krauze? 

Krauze is in 0.000001% of Poles. You know that 1% is a lot of people, right? You are talking about someone who is on the list of 100 richest Poles. Unless, there are only 10,000 Poles in total, it takes much much less money to be in 1% of wealthiest Poles, you know.

oh, well, 1% is around 370k people, and I still doubt you're there.

Most people are poor, but hell, I live in small town (under 40k) and if you take local council, each member is much, much wealthier than you, and owning his/her profitable business. Now there're businessmen who don't give shit about going into politics and there's couple dozens around here, including high level managers. And there're other small towns like that you don't give a shit about, but they exist.
Not to mention bigger cities and Warsaw. Hell, I'd say you're not even in 1% of Warsaw wealthiest citizens.

So I seriously doubt you're in 1% taking whole country. But it's fun to have delusions like that. 
Now if you owned a business, that might be different story. As long as you're just hired you won't ever get to 1%. Unless you're top consultant and have the freedom to choose your jobs.

How much do you think/know I earn per month?

[Razgovory]

What Marty doesn't understand is that the point of aristocracy is that you are aren't supposed to work for your money.  To do so is dishonorable. 

[Martinus]

What Marty doesn't understand is that the point of aristocracy is that you are aren't supposed to work for your money.  To do so is dishonorable.

Tell this to families like Romneys or Bushes.

[garbon]

I'm not sure how it makes sense to include expected future wealth in one's net worth.

It actually makes a lot of sense, but given subjective nature of such evaluations, it's usually not done.

Not really. I mean unless they are facing imminent death - there's variability there. Not as much as if I were to say talk about my net-worth at the end of this year based on what I expect to get from my salary - but still seems sizable enough that there's not much value in talking about such.  And a weird way of catapulting oneself into a particular wealth category.

[garbon]

I am not. But Barrister's point seems to be that unlike a lot of other people I started from scratch and as a result would not be in the top 1%. I haven't started from scratch.

Of course you didn't start from scratch - but what your parents may gave you has little to do with whether you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth right now (whether you are or are not is immaterial to my point).

[Martinus]

I am not. But Barrister's point seems to be that unlike a lot of other people I started from scratch and as a result would not be in the top 1%. I haven't started from scratch.

Of course you didn't start from scratch - but what your parents may gave you has little to do with whether you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth right now (whether you are or are not is immaterial to my point).

Well but they have already helped me, e.g. with my first flat (which is now fully mine, with no mortgage and worth around half a million zloty) etc.

[garbon]

As long as you're just hired you won't ever get to 1%. Unless you're top consultant and have the freedom to choose your jobs.

That's flat out false on top 1% in terms of income. Though of course, if you are making such a large amount, you tend to have options on where you choose to work.

[garbon]

I am not. But Barrister's point seems to be that unlike a lot of other people I started from scratch and as a result would not be in the top 1%. I haven't started from scratch.

Of course you didn't start from scratch - but what your parents may gave you has little to do with whether you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth right now (whether you are or are not is immaterial to my point).

Well but they have already helped me, e.g. with my first flat (which is now fully mine, with no mortgage and worth around half a million zloty) etc.

That's all well and good but I don't see how that relates to the post of BB's that you quoted. His post states that he doubts you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth.  What your parents did or didn't do doesn't really say much to that.

[DGuller]

Not to mention bigger cities and Warsaw. Hell, I'd say you're not even in 1% of Warsaw wealthiest citizens.

Even?  Are you saying that it's easier to be in the 1% of Warsaw than it is to be in the 1% of Poland?

[Martinus]

I am not. But Barrister's point seems to be that unlike a lot of other people I started from scratch and as a result would not be in the top 1%. I haven't started from scratch.

Of course you didn't start from scratch - but what your parents may gave you has little to do with whether you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth right now (whether you are or are not is immaterial to my point).

Well but they have already helped me, e.g. with my first flat (which is now fully mine, with no mortgage and worth around half a million zloty) etc.

That's all well and good but I don't see how that relates to the post of BB's that you quoted. His post states that he doubts you are in the top 1% in terms of wealth.  What your parents did or didn't do doesn't really say much to that.

Well his implied point was that I could not be in top 1% in terms of wealth since the people who are did not start from scratch. Since I got something from my parents already, that belies his point. Is this so hard to understand?

[Martinus]

Not to mention bigger cities and Warsaw. Hell, I'd say you're not even in 1% of Warsaw wealthiest citizens.

Even?  Are you saying that it's easier to be in the 1% of Warsaw than it is to be in the 1% of Poland?

Yeah he is funny like that. I didn't even want to address every absurdity in his post like you guys are doing right now.