Obama to fire gay military officer. Martinus pops vein.

[alfred russel]

And yes..."ask". They have not staged a coup or done anything that I am aware of is illegal. It has been approached in a similar manner than all these kinds of social liberty/equality have been approached.

I guess we have different definitions of asking, then.  I don't view circumventing the law, then suing to try & get your way as "asking".

What about the states where people either have or are about to get same sex laws passed through the legislature? Are you okay with same sex marriage there since they asked nicely and it is the law there, or do you want to make a compelling case to ban same sex marriage in those states?

[Faeelin]

What about the states where people either have or are about to get same sex laws passed through the legislature? Are you okay with same sex marriage there since they asked nicely and it is the law there, or do you want to make a compelling case to ban same sex marriage there?

I find this objection to using the courts interesting. I wonder how many people have decided they will only appeal to the legislature if they suffer a tort claim or some other legal wrong?

[The Brain]

I may not like gays but I would suffer mild and fleeting unpleasantness for their right to (ab)normal life.

[Valmy]

Meanwhile, the main argument *for* making this rather significant social change is that "you're a big meanie if you're not for it". 

NO SALE

Um...the fact it makes gay couples lives alot more difficult without any sort of legal recognition.  The only reason I can see not to do this is simply to fuck with them and make their lives harder for no other reason than to be a petty bitch.

That and it oppresses a number of the greatest of all Americans: Arabic Linguists.

[derspiess]

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me. 

But I never favored legalizing same-sex marriages in any case.

What about all the people who have not circumvented the law and then sued?

I don't consider that "asking", either.  Proposing/supporting legislation = asking, though.

Frankly, I do not believe you. You are too smart to let something like that get in the way of an informed judgment.

I'm flattered

I think you oppose it for the same reason most people do who oppose it - they just don't like gays, and don't like validating their existence. Prejudice, in other words.

You don't have to dislike gays to oppose legalized same-sex marriage, but I'm not going to waste any keystrokes trying to convince you otherwise.

[alfred russel]

What about the states where people either have or are about to get same sex laws passed through the legislature? Are you okay with same sex marriage there since they asked nicely and it is the law there, or do you want to make a compelling case to ban same sex marriage there?

I find this objection to using the courts interesting. I wonder how many people have decided they will only appeal to the legislature if they suffer a tort claim or some other legal wrong?

Not to get off topic, but there is a sizeable segment of the business community that views the plaintiffs bar and their related litigation as a small step removed from criminality.

[Valmy]

You don't have to dislike gays to oppose legalized same-sex marriage, but I'm not going to waste any keystrokes trying to convince you otherwise.

Oh yes you do.  Why else would you want to make their lives more difficult for an arbitrary reason?  Because you love them so much you want to fuck with them?  Unless you are against same-sex marriage but want to compromise with some sort of Civil Union.

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me.

Ok I missed this.  Ok if you don't dislike gay people so much why are you using the fact they annoy you as your entire justification for opposing Civil Unions?   

[Berkut]

You don't have to dislike gays to oppose legalized same-sex marriage, but I'm not going to waste any keystrokes trying to convince you otherwise.

Of course not - in theory there could be all kinds of other good and not so good reasons.

That is the predominant reason though, and your stated reasons are too infantile to accept at face value. And you have almost categorically refused to even attempt to refute the arguments in favor of gay marriage.

I suspect you won't waste any keystrokes because in fact you know I am exactly right, and this is just another form of the "just 'cuz" or "I don't like the way they asked!" evasion.

[Faeelin]

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me. 

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

[Berkut]

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me. 

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

Except that he isn't. Which is why I know this isn't the real reason.

You would have to be pretty stupid to base your opinion on issues on the perceived annoyance factor of the most radical of its proponents.

Besides, when it comes to annoyingly stupid radicals, the anti-gay-marriage "god hates fags crowd" has the pro-gay marriage crowd beat all to hell.*








*Except for Marty of course. He gives Phelps a run for his money.

[Razgovory]

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me. 

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

Smarter then you.

[Valmy]

*Except for Marty of course. He gives Phelps a run for his money.

Fortunately as Marty will never leave Poland Gay Marriage in the US can never benefit him.

[derspiess]

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

[Faeelin]

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

Sorta.  I was mildly in favor of civil unions (or could have at least been talked into supporting them) until the more radical elements annoyed me. 

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

Smarter then you.

Honorable men can differ.

[Ed Anger]

Wow. You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

He's got your vote now.