Obama to fire gay military officer. Martinus pops vein.

[derspiess]

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

First off-- "ask"?? 

I'm just saying they have not made a good case for making the change.  Not everything in our culture should be changed "just 'cuz".

[Faeelin]

No, the main argument is that absent any compelling harm, the state should let people do what they like.

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

There was a fun talk at my school by one of the leading lights of the Federalist Society on this topic, coming from a self-described Burkean conservative. The argument was a bit rich:

1) Marriage as an institution in society is failing. This is bad.
2) Many gays aren't interested in a long term relationship.
3) Ergo, if we let gays get married, they will only end up getting divorced. Their divorces will end up destroying everyone else's marriage by setting a bad example.

[Faeelin]

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

First off-- "ask"?? 

I'm just saying they have not made a good case for making the change.  Not everything in our culture should be changed "just 'cuz".

I concur. Their families are different, and less valuable to society.

[Berkut]

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

First off-- "ask"?? 

I'm just saying they have not made a good case for making the change.  Not everything in our culture should be changed "just 'cuz".

Weak.

They have made an excellent case, as has many others who are not gay. I am rpetty sure, in fact, that the one case that has not been made is that it should be changed "just 'cuz"...so why the strawman?

Is it because you don't actually have a defensible reason to oppose gay marriage, or cannot think of a good argument for why it should not be allowed?

And yes..."ask". They have not staged a coup or done anything that I am aware of is illegal. It has been approached in a similar manner than all these kinds of social liberty/equality have been approached.

[alfred russel]

No, the main argument is that absent any compelling harm, the state should let people do what they like.

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

There was a fun talk at my school by one of the leading lights of the Federalist Society on this topic, coming from a self-described Burkean conservative. The argument was a bit rich:

1) Marriage as an institution in society is failing. This is bad.
2) Many gays aren't interested in a long term relationship.
3) Ergo, if we let gays get married, they will only end up getting divorced. Their divorces will end up destroying everyone else's marriage by setting a bad example.

Not only does that argument suck, but it should be relatively easy to make a Burkean argument against gay marriage, based on his defense of tradition and "prejudice."

[Ed Anger]

I want Marti to suffer.

[alfred russel]

Are you really trying to tell us that your opposition to gay marriage is based on simply not liking the way gay people have asked to be allowed to marry?

First off-- "ask"?? 

I'm just saying they have not made a good case for making the change.  Not everything in our culture should be changed "just 'cuz".

There is no way you participate on this board and believe the argument for gay marriage is "just cuz."

I think you are: Trolling.

[The Brain]

Burke sold out the Colonial Marines. Fuck him.

[The Brain]

I find it very hard to believe that anyone who opposes gay marriage isn't gay. If they're not gay then how are they threatened?

[derspiess]

And yes..."ask". They have not staged a coup or done anything that I am aware of is illegal. It has been approached in a similar manner than all these kinds of social liberty/equality have been approached.

I guess we have different definitions of asking, then.  I don't view circumventing the law, then suing to try & get your way as "asking".

[The Brain]

And yes..."ask". They have not staged a coup or done anything that I am aware of is illegal. It has been approached in a similar manner than all these kinds of social liberty/equality have been approached.

I guess we have different definitions of asking, then.  I don't view circumventing the law, then suing to try & get your way as "asking".

They may be gay, but they are also Americans.

[derspiess]

There is no way you participate on this board and believe the argument for gay marriage is "just cuz."

I think you are: Trolling.

I am only: saying I'm not convinced of the merits of changing our laws & culture to allow same-sex marriage, and that those in favor of such changes have not made a compelling argument.

[Berkut]

And yes..."ask". They have not staged a coup or done anything that I am aware of is illegal. It has been approached in a similar manner than all these kinds of social liberty/equality have been approached.

I guess we have different definitions of asking, then.  I don't view circumventing the law, then suing to try & get your way as "asking".

So in fact your objection really is all about the form of the issue, rather than the content?

What about all the people who have not circumvented the law and then sued?

Frankly, I do not believe you. You are too smart to let something like that get in the way of an informed judgment.

I think you oppose it for the same reason most people do who oppose it - they just don't like gays, and don't like validating their existence. Prejudice, in other words.

[Berkut]

There is no way you participate on this board and believe the argument for gay marriage is "just cuz."

I think you are: Trolling.

I am only: saying I'm not convinced of the merits of changing our laws & culture to allow same-sex marriage, and that those in favor of such changes have not made a compelling argument.

Of course they have, and rather than respond to that argument, you have simply recast it into

A) "Just 'cuz", or
B) I don't like their tone!

[Faeelin]

I want Marti to suffer.

Oh, come now. Marti's never gonna actually get married to anybody. What did I ever do to you?