So we hit the debt limit...

[HVC]

been tried. didn't work

Nah our consumption is down.  We might even cease to be disgustingly obese if this horrible trend continues.

cheap food is bad food. you'll be poorer AND fatter.

[Valmy]

cheap food is bad food. you'll be poorer AND fatter.

Ah good point.  The land of the fat and the home of the poor.

[Ed Anger]

You will never be able to sell that to them.

We have stopped listening. You euros nag more than a woman does.

[Slargos]

You will never be able to sell that to them.

We have stopped listening. You euros nag more than a woman does.

If you mother FUCKERS deigned to listen just a little bit a part of the time, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

You REFUSED to re-arm the Germans and invade Russia.

You REFUSED to nuke Red China.

You ARMED the muslims.

Jesus FUCKING Christ, you dumb fucking SHITS.

[Ed Anger]

You will never be able to sell that to them.

We have stopped listening. You euros nag more than a woman does.

If you mother FUCKERS deigned to listen just a little bit a part of the time, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

You REFUSED to re-arm the Germans and invade Russia.

You REFUSED to nuke Red China.

You ARMED the muslims.

Jesus FUCKING Christ, you dumb fucking SHITS.

Best overreaction,,,EVAR.

[Slargos]

You will never be able to sell that to them.

We have stopped listening. You euros nag more than a woman does.

If you mother FUCKERS deigned to listen just a little bit a part of the time, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

You REFUSED to re-arm the Germans and invade Russia.

You REFUSED to nuke Red China.

You ARMED the muslims.

Jesus FUCKING Christ, you dumb fucking SHITS.

Best overreaction,,,EVAR.

Sweden only sells strategic resources to allies. You will enrich and arm anyone who can fork over a barrel of oil in return [and bitch when they turn the weapons against you], you filthy fucking WHORES. 

[MadImmortalMan]

Sweden only sells strategic resources to allies. You will enrich and arm anyone who can fork over a barrel of oil in return [and bitch when they turn the weapons against you], you filthy fucking WHORES. 

Insert joke about ball bearings here.

[Slargos]

Sweden only sells strategic resources to allies. You will enrich and arm anyone who can fork over a barrel of oil in return [and bitch when they turn the weapons against you], you filthy fucking WHORES. 

Insert joke about ball bearings here.

I thought I made my position clear. 

[Valmy]

Sweden only sells strategic resources to allies. You will enrich and arm anyone who can fork over a barrel of oil in return [and bitch when they turn the weapons against you], you filthy fucking WHORES. 

Hey we are American the Beautiful.  When you look this good it is hard not to make some money off it.

[Neil]

Which was my point, the choice wasn't between cars and going back to horses, there were other signifcant forms of transport and quite possibly the absolute importance of cars in the future may change.

Who was going to take a train from home to their work every day?  The whole point of adopting the car was to be able to live someplace decent.

Loads of people take a train or a metro or bus to work.

In the future I do see patterns of habitation changing quite drastically to hug the railway routes a lot more.

If you have access to a metro, then you're in a major downtown area, and so you're best positioned to survive without a car.  You are also either extremely well-off or living in abject poverty.  People taking the bus are generally unemployed or unemployable, and so have no business being at large.

The problem with living along railway routes is that it allows the criminals to come to you.  The whole point of the suburbs is to keep the questionable elements out.

[Slargos]

Which was my point, the choice wasn't between cars and going back to horses, there were other signifcant forms of transport and quite possibly the absolute importance of cars in the future may change.

Who was going to take a train from home to their work every day?  The whole point of adopting the car was to be able to live someplace decent.

Loads of people take a train or a metro or bus to work.

In the future I do see patterns of habitation changing quite drastically to hug the railway routes a lot more.

If you have access to a metro, then you're in a major downtown area, and so you're best positioned to survive without a car.  You are also either extremely well-off or living in abject poverty.  People taking the bus are generally unemployed or unemployable, and so have no business being at large.

The problem with living along railway routes is that it allows the criminals to come to you.  The whole point of the suburbs is to keep the questionable elements out.

I would contend that a much better way to keep the peace is to nurture a society where you don't have to worry about being bothered by questionable elements (aside from suffering their proximity) whether you live in on a mountain top or in the middle of working class tenements.

Of course, you lot threw that option out the window when you decided on the melting-pot fallacy.

[Neil]

Which was my point, the choice wasn't between cars and going back to horses, there were other signifcant forms of transport and quite possibly the absolute importance of cars in the future may change.

Who was going to take a train from home to their work every day?  The whole point of adopting the car was to be able to live someplace decent.

Loads of people take a train or a metro or bus to work.

In the future I do see patterns of habitation changing quite drastically to hug the railway routes a lot more.

If you have access to a metro, then you're in a major downtown area, and so you're best positioned to survive without a car.  You are also either extremely well-off or living in abject poverty.  People taking the bus are generally unemployed or unemployable, and so have no business being at large.

The problem with living along railway routes is that it allows the criminals to come to you.  The whole point of the suburbs is to keep the questionable elements out.

I would contend that a much better way to keep the peace is to nurture a society where you don't have to worry about being bothered by questionable elements (aside from suffering their proximity) whether you live in on a mountain top or in the middle of working class tenements.

Of course, you lot threw that option out the window when you decided on the melting-pot fallacy.

I'm a Canadian.  No melting pot here (although that seems to have worked well in the US when applied to whites).  Instead, we have a 'mosaic', which has the effect of turning areas of major cities into ghettos where decent citizens who aren't of the appropriate ethnic group had better watch their step.

Besides, the working class is the questionable element.

[MadImmortalMan]

I think it's largely human nature to put some space between yourself and your fellow beings if you have the resources to do it. A minority might choose to live jammed on top of other people, but most do it because they have to.

[The Minsky Moment]

You REFUSED to re-arm the Germans and invade Russia.

You REFUSED to nuke Red China.

You ARMED the muslims.

We beat the Russians in the Cold War, turned the Chinese into capitalists, and now the Arabs are taking out their dictators on their own and Osama is fish food.

USA 3, Whiny Swede Nazis 0

[Josquius]

If you have access to a metro, then you're in a major downtown area, and so you're best positioned to survive without a car.  You are also either extremely well-off or living in abject poverty.  People taking the bus are generally unemployed or unemployable, and so have no business being at large.

The problem with living along railway routes is that it allows the criminals to come to you.  The whole point of the suburbs is to keep the questionable elements out.

Most metros I've known have went to pretty normal working and middle class areas.
And of course busses aren't for the unemployed. I've known loads of people who take the bus to work.
Trains and criminals coming to you- their get away route is a bit crapp though.

North American culture is really pretty alien in some ways...
You don't approve of cycling over there either right? Like muslims?