[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[crazy canuck]

I don't know if it applies to Loyalists living in the colonies before that, that's murky territory.

 

[Grey Fox]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

[HVC]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

But doesnt that break after 2 generations? My great grandfather being candian is all well and good, but my grandfather wasn't, nor my father, so i can't claim it. As I understand it* you'd have to canadiafy your grandfather and father first, then yourself. Grandfather is easier , his father was canadian so spent the requisite 3 years in canada, but getting citizenship for your dad is blocked because his dad doesn't have the 3 years. Your chain is broken. In effect it's becomes almost impossible to do since how do you prove the 3 year requirement for the generation between the canadian ancestor and yourself?

So I don't feel that Vipers fear of a master plan to inundate quebec with the anglo descendants of the Acadians is warranted.


* very very limited understanding based on what's posted here. Feel free to ignore since I have little confidence myself

*edit* missed Jacob saying this fist   

[HVC]

To move on to good canadian news, predatory real-estate speculators are getting (financially) murdered in Toronto. All those people who put deposits on condos in Toronto hoping to drive up prices and sell for a profit or set up AirBnBs (assholes) are now underwater. Its causing a further lowering of prices as everyone us desperate to sell. Probably won't affect non condos as much but still a schadendfreud victory.

[Bauer]

Yeah except for those who moved out of Toronto and haven't been able to sell their condos.  I have a few colleagues in that situation.

[HVC]

Yeah except for those who moved out of Toronto and haven't been able to sell their condos.  I have a few colleagues in that situation.

True, there are some i feel sorry for. People who planned to upgrade after a few years are amongst those. However, the stats i looked at a few years ago (for a languish discussion actually) the majority of new build condo buys in toronto was for investment (Airbnb the largest subsection of those). So fuck those people.

[crazy canuck]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

There is a rule of statutory interpretation - you need to read the whole thing to understand what it means.

[crazy canuck]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

But doesnt that break after 2 generations? My great grandfather being candian is all well and good, but my grandfather wasn't, nor my father, so i can't claim it. As I understand it* you'd have to canadiafy your grandfather and father first, then yourself. Grandfather is easier , his father was canadian so spent the requisite 3 years in canada, but getting citizenship for your dad is blocked because his dad doesn't have the 3 years. Your chain is broken. In effect it's becomes almost impossible to do since how do you prove the 3 year requirement for the generation between the canadian ancestor and yourself?

So I don't feel that Vipers fear of a master plan to inundate quebec with the anglo descendants of the Acadians is warranted.


* very very limited understanding based on what's posted here. Feel free to ignore since I have little confidence myself

*edit* missed Jacob saying this fist   

Again, there is no chain.  The applicant needs to demonstrate two things - that their parents were Canadian citizens and their parents had a significant connection with Canada.  It does not matter if some ancestor before the applicant's parents had a significant connection.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah except for those who moved out of Toronto and haven't been able to sell their condos.  I have a few colleagues in that situation.

Yeah, the whole high end condo market is correcting.  There have been warnings for a number of years that developers needed to diversify their offerings to cater to all market segments, but the money was in high end product and so that is what continued to be built. That market has become saturated with high end product while the mid and entry level market has gone wanting for at least a couple of decades now.  Hopefully we see more developers start to build for those market segments now.

[Grey Fox]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

There is a rule of statutory interpretation - you need to read the whole thing to understand what it means.

Yes, you should do it too.

[crazy canuck]

(a) ensure that citizenship by descent is conferred on all persons who were born outside Canada before the coming into force of this enactment to a parent who was a citizen;

But let's continue to ignore real life testimonies of people going through the process & just quote legislation at eachother.

There is a rule of statutory interpretation - you need to read the whole thing to understand what it means.

Yes, you should do it too.

I have 

[Grey Fox]

Then you are being obtuse on purpose. I've already spent way too much time researching this. I even read the citizenship act. I'm done trying to convince you. Time will tell who's right.

[crazy canuck]

Then you are being obtuse on purpose. I've already spent way too much time researching this. I even read the citizenship act. I'm done trying to convince you. Time will tell who's right.

No, what you are reading in my posts is extreme frustration that this is the future resulting from the dangerous mix of AI and social media spreading misinformation that fools most people most of the time.

I have already explained to you a number of times why you are wrong.  I have even reproduced the section of the Act that applies.  I grant you that it is difficult to read.  But there it is.

[Grey Fox]

Nah, you answer only what you want and clouded in annoyance to the AI answer.

Canada's government website is quite clear that there is 2 basic situations at play.

Born on or after December 15th 2025;
And
Born before December 15th 2025.

You have repeatedly stated the situation for on or after and fail to acknowledge the before situation.

[crazy canuck]

I honestly have no idea how to respond to that. I have set out the legislative scheme. I've explained the legislative intent, and I have explained the case law that gave rise to the amendments.

I can only lead you to water. I cannot make you drink.