Another Languish EU3 game? Weeknights EST?

[Berkut]

OK, I am all set for tonight, my interview is the first on the schedule, so I should be back in plenty of time.

[Kleves]

Awesome. I am jonesing for some EU3, so I hope we'll be able to get in a good, long session tonight.

[DGuller]

BTW, what's the official start time, 8 or 8:30?

[Habbaku]

8:30.

[Habbaku]

I admit, I thought that, with Spain grabbing most of northern India and most of Italy, I would be doing much worse in relation.

Other screens to come eventually.

[sbr]

[sbr]

That was fun.  I really enjoy playing this game in MP even when nothing terribly exciting happens.  The start time of this game doesn't work for me as a permanent player but feel free to ask me if you need a sub.  The Sunday game works better for me, I may see if there is an opening there.

[katmai]

Man all you guys but Viking are huge!

[DGuller]

I admit, I thought that, with Spain grabbing most of northern India and most of Italy, I would be doing much worse in relation.

Other screens to come eventually.

Wow, that's a lot less impressive for me than I expected.  Given the rumblings about my overexpansion, I expected to blow by Habbaku, and not squeak by.  Once you consider that my territory consists of four separate chunks, my manpower is mediocre, and my territory count is most likely much higher per same income, I'm really not sure I'm a target worth gunning for to restore balance of power (although admittedly I may be biased in my assessment).  I will of course honor my promise to Berkut of redrawing the map of India, and will entertain all expressed concerns about my growth in the spirit of maintaining existing alliances, but I'm in a somewhat less charitable mood now compared to an hour ago.

[DGuller]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

[sbr]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

Taking Portugal, Central America, South America, Italy and India is a trap?

I wish I could have been so unlucky.

[Habbaku]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

I warned you.  I warned you all...

[Habbaku]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

Taking Portugal, Central America, South America, Italy and India is a trap?

I wish I could have been so unlucky.

Rich, but backwards as an African.

[DGuller]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

Taking Portugal, Central America, South America, Italy and India is a trap?

I wish I could have been so unlucky.

The trap is getting a low income/province ratio coupled with "lack of land connection" maluses.  That's a recipe for technological slide backwards, and it tends to compound on itself over time.  Getting such a large empire also requires tremendous cash burn, money that cannot be invested into stuff like manufacturies, and those are hidden gold-mines that don't appear on the income screen.

If I were playing against AI, and thus would have no human diplomacy concerns, I'd take HRE as it is right now over Spain in an instant.  Sure, nominally it has only 60% of Spain's income, but it trumps Spain it every other way, and works much better as a complete package.

[DGuller]

Oh, man, I just looked at tech summary.  FML, I've fallen into a classic Spanish trap.

I warned you.  I warned you all...

Look at Mr. "I'm ahead of the tech curve by 11 years" with his 30 manufacturies.