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HVC

#6465
October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

#6466
October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P

HVC

#6467
October 02, 2025, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P

Gotcha :hug:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Razgovory

#6468
October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#6469
October 02, 2025, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

It's not wrong. Just like being against the killing of civilians isn't wrong.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#6470
October 02, 2025, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2025, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

It's not wrong. Just like being against the killing of civilians isn't wrong.

But killing civilians isn't actually wrong.  It's part of warfare.  It is legal.  If we didn't kill civilians in Syria ISIS would still be around.  You know that.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#6471
October 02, 2025, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 08:35:06 PMBut killing civilians isn't actually wrong.  It's part of warfare.  It is legal.  If we didn't kill civilians in Syria ISIS would still be around.  You know that.

Killing civilians is evil. It is sometimes a necessary evil, but it remains an evil even so. The argument that "killing civilians isn't actually wrong" demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the laws of armed conflict are created (hint: to minimize the evil of dead civilians) and interpreted. Killing civilians is wrong, full stop. It is allowed only under conditions where the only alternative is a worse wrong.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

HVC

#6472
October 02, 2025, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not necessarily the content of your post but you inserting it into every thread and conversation. You've turned into the languish version of a CrossFit guy, or worse, a vegetarian :lol:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Razgovory

#6473
October 02, 2025, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not necessarily the content of your post but you inserting it into every thread and conversation. You've turned into the languish version of a CrossFit guy, or worse, a vegetarian :lol:

No, it's just something you don't like hear about.  I mean we've been going on about Trump for over a decade now, and it gets in pretty much every thread.  You don't get tired of that.  You don't get tired of people bring up racism in other threads.  The problem is not that it is tedious, it is because it is uncomfortable.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

HVC

#6474
October 02, 2025, 10:39:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not necessarily the content of your post but you inserting it into every thread and conversation. You've turned into the languish version of a CrossFit guy, or worse, a vegetarian :lol:

No, it's just something you don't like hear about.  I mean we've been going on about Trump for over a decade now, and it gets in pretty much every thread.  You don't get tired of that.  You don't get tired of people bring up racism in other threads.  The problem is not that it is tedious, it is because it is uncomfortable.

I'm tempted to follow you around and derail everyone of your conversations into a discussion about grapefruits or something so you get how tedious it truly is, but I'm not that motivated nor do I have your gift for obsession to a cause.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Razgovory

#6475
October 02, 2025, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 02, 2025, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 08:35:06 PMBut killing civilians isn't actually wrong.  It's part of warfare.  It is legal.  If we didn't kill civilians in Syria ISIS would still be around.  You know that.

Killing civilians is evil. It is sometimes a necessary evil, but it remains an evil even so. The argument that "killing civilians isn't actually wrong" demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the laws of armed conflict are created (hint: to minimize the evil of dead civilians) and interpreted. Killing civilians is wrong, full stop. It is allowed only under conditions where the only alternative is a worse wrong.

All war is "evil", but it isn't wrong.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#6476
October 02, 2025, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 10:39:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 02, 2025, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 02, 2025, 02:34:32 PM:unsure:

Sorry, that was directed at Raz and his obsession, and you slipped in before it got posted. :P
It's weird that being against racism is seen as wrong.

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not necessarily the content of your post but you inserting it into every thread and conversation. You've turned into the languish version of a CrossFit guy, or worse, a vegetarian :lol:

No, it's just something you don't like hear about.  I mean we've been going on about Trump for over a decade now, and it gets in pretty much every thread.  You don't get tired of that.  You don't get tired of people bring up racism in other threads.  The problem is not that it is tedious, it is because it is uncomfortable.

I'm tempted to follow you around and derail everyone of your conversations into a discussion about grapefruits or something so you get how tedious it truly is, but I'm not that motivated nor do I have your gift for obsession to a cause.

Tell you what, instead why don't you police the forum and complain when anyone brings up Donald Trump outside the Trump thread instead.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

#6477
October 02, 2025, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 08:35:06 PMBut killing civilians isn't actually wrong.  It's part of warfare.  It is legal. 

As a general statement, applied to all circumstances, none of those statements are true. 

You would think that the State of Israel, of all nations in the world would be first to understand that.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Norgy

#6478
October 03, 2025, 02:07:55 AM
The military is there to defend civilians, as far as I have understood. That is the basic principle.

The Geneva convention is pretty clear, but I suppose it is not very popular reading these days.

Jacob

#6479
October 03, 2025, 02:15:26 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2025, 10:36:23 PMNo, it's just something you don't like hear about.  I mean we've been going on about Trump for over a decade now, and it gets in pretty much every thread.  You don't get tired of that.  You don't get tired of people bring up racism in other threads.  The problem is not that it is tedious, it is because it is uncomfortable.

I'm curious, do you discuss this topic elsewhere or do you mainly confine you discussion of Israel and Palestine to languish?
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