This is why we need to stop being such douchebags about gun violence research

[Solmyr]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

[Berkut]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

Because guns are cool.

[Berkut]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

Because guns are cool.

The more serious answer is that of course you cannot.

The idea that the 2nd enunciates a personal right to bear particular weapons is actually rather new, and was never understood to mean that for the first couple hundred years the amendment existed.

The NRA did a masterful job of Soviet like propaganda and invented the current "interpretation" of the Second pretty much out of whole cloth, and got it sold.

Now, it does mean that, because the USSC says it means that. Shrug.

They also say that doesn't mean that things like magazine size restrictions are unconstitutional, but the brilliant constitutional scholars like Siege are rather selective in their acceptance of these facts.

[Malthus]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

I still say that right ought to enable folks to have as many 18th century flintlocks as they want, in case the US requires a militia in the form the framers intended. Sadly, my interpretation is not listened to. 

[DGuller]

I don't like shotguns. Range is too limited, and if the animal is wearing body armor you are reduced to head and extremity shots, which i prefer not to do.

Animals wear body armor now?  That's quite an impressive evolutionary response to hunting.

[Oexmelin]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

For those who are interested, you can look up David Konig's "Why the Second Amendment Has a Preamble: Original Public Meaning and the Political Culture of Written Constitutions in Revolutionary America"

[Valmy]

Fucking twat

What kind of...I swear to God it is terrible stuff like this is why people give the media so much shit.

Animals wear body armor now?  That's quite an impressive evolutionary response to hunting.

Siege only hunts Armadillos. And he should, fuckers will dig big holes in your yard.

[Valmy]

Now, it does mean that, because the USSC says it means that. Shrug.

Yep.

[Valmy]

Pretty much then only guns I have ever shot have been shotguns for clay pigeon shooting fun.

[Admiral Yi]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

Through the independent clause that follows the well regulated militia clause.

[dps]

I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?

I still say that right ought to enable folks to have as many 18th century flintlocks as they want, in case the US requires a militia in the form the framers intended. Sadly, my interpretation is not listened to. 

Actually, by law, the militia in the U.S. consists of all able-bodied male citizens between 17 and 70 (might have the ages wrong;  I'm doing this from memory).  I'd like to see what happens if a gun-control advocate tries to argue that means we can ban women from owning guns.

[lustindarkness]

We've never had this discussion here in languish before, how refreshing.


I personally would love to live in a society with no guns, but since I don't, I'll continue to carry one myself.

[Habbaku]

Be the gun control you want to see in the world.

[The Brain]

Beat the change you want to see into the world.

[lustindarkness]

Be the gun control you want to see in the world.

Yes, I keep control of my gun, which is what I wish other gun owners would do.