This is why we need to stop being such douchebags about gun violence research

Started by Berkut, June 15, 2016, 10:02:04 AM

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garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habbaku

The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habbaku

The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

LaCroix

Quote from: Oexmelin on June 16, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Also, if some are interested in what historians had to say about the Second Amendment:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/07-290_amicus_historians.pdf

in addition, for those interested in what historians had to say about the second amendment:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/07-290_amicus_academicsforsecondamendment.pdf

figured may as well post the opposite side's  ;)

Oexmelin

Well, "Academics for the Second Amendment" is, surprise, surprise, funded in part by the NRA, whose main academic members (amidst many, who are not) are not historians, but law professors.
Que le grand cric me croque !


derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney


Oexmelin

La Croix: You misunderstand me: the briefs do not have to be rejected. They were filed, and are part of the debate. I presented the Amicus brief of Rakove, Cornell, Konig et al., as the brief of "historians", because they represent what I assess is a majority view amongst early americanists and specialists of the early republic. I happen to think that "Academics for the Second Amendment" are lousy historians. Joyce Lee Malcolm is not. I disagree with her analysis, but she can, and should be engaged and taken seriously - as have, repeatedly, the historians aforementioned.
Que le grand cric me croque !

LaCroix


11B4V

Quote from: Ed Anger on June 16, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 16, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 16, 2016, 08:59:41 AM
Felt good slamming those shells in, didn't it?

It was okay.  A shotgun just seems like such a blunt, brutish tool.  It was fun to see what it did to the targets.

kind and sensitive person.

It is and very effective
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

Quote from: Berkut on June 16, 2016, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on June 16, 2016, 10:43:08 AM
I read something about this before, but I just took a look at the text of the 2nd amendment:

QuoteA well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How, exactly, do you go from "a well regulated militia" to "I should be able to get whatever guns I want and shoot people who threaten me"?


Because guns are cool.
Yes a blast.
Just spent all day in live fires, building clearing. Active shooter drills with simunitions. Drilled a dude in the dick with a three round burst.  :lol:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

OttoVonBismarck

My historical-legal opinion on the second is it was specifically a protection of the State's right to maintain a well armed militia force, so that they were, enshrined in the constitution, the irrevocable right to maintain their own military power independent from the Federal government. I think essentially every person in America alive in the 18th century and a functioning brain believed gun ownership to be a natural right no different from the right to own any number of things, but I don't think it was specifically enumerated. The Founders were pretty damn specific that they had written a limited constitution, and that when they passed the Bill of Rights it absolutely was not an exhaustive list of rights, in fact they even made sure one of the Amendments specifically said there are rights the people reserve that have not been enumerated in the BoR.

Unfortunately once Congress found its way around the "limited government" aspect of the constitution we found out that only specifically enumerated rights were much protected at all from Congress.