Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Oexmelin]

I don't see the problem, surely nothing bad ever happened to Britain when the monarch was named Charles?

There are rumors he will pick another of his names (probably George) precisely for that reason.

[The Minsky Moment]

Charles will raise his standard at Nottingham any day now, sweep the wretched Nottingham Contemporary aside, and assert his command over the Grade I listed buildings. 

FYP

[Habbaku]

Jolly good.

[celedhring]

I don't see the problem, surely nothing bad ever happened to Britain when the monarch was named Charles?

There are rumors he will pick another of his names (probably George) precisely for that reason.

Such a wasted chance of naming himself King Arthur.

[Sheilbh]

Her Majesty sounded ill.

I fear this Christmas may be her last.

I think the model of Queen Mum endures. She'll get to their Christmas holiday and re-charge on the drambuie.

Though I do worry we'll have a full-blown nervous breakdown as a country given how long she's been there as a sort-of fixed point. I mean people in their 70s have never known any other monarch. She had a Prime Minister who was born in the 1870s

Unrelated but I do think it's a bit shoddy putting on a Queen's Speech when you actively don't want a Parliamentary session. It risks turning it all into a bit of a party election broadcast, which is disatasteful

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think there is little doubt that the Queen has had her face rubbed in it by the charlatan Johnson. What a thoroughly detestable shower the current government is 

[Tamas]

I think there is little doubt that the Queen has had her face rubbed in it by the charlatan Johnson. What a thoroughly detestable shower the current government is 

It was interesting, although I guess unsurprising and definitely nauseating, how this morning on ITV, Morgan and that Daily Mail editor started to fawn over Johnson and his leadership qualities. They talked as if the deal was basically done and the backstop gone.

[Tamas]

Her Majesty sounded ill.

I fear this Christmas may be her last.

I think the model of Queen Mum endures. She'll get to their Christmas holiday and re-charge on the drambuie.

Though I do worry we'll have a full-blown nervous breakdown as a country given how long she's been there as a sort-of fixed point. I mean people in their 70s have never known any other monarch. She had a Prime Minister who was born in the 1870s

Unrelated but I do think it's a bit shoddy putting on a Queen's Speech when you actively don't want a Parliamentary session. It risks turning it all into a bit of a party election broadcast, which is disatasteful

It is a weird thought indeed that one day she won't be around. But being the republican that I am, I wonder if it would not help to revitalise Britain if following her death, the whole monarchy thing would be dropped, together with the donning 1600s fashion for the start of a parliamentary session and all that.

[Tamas]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/14/queen-reduced-to-furious-frontwoman-for-grubby-election-stunt

Her Majesty's head rotated through 720 degrees. A stream of green projectile vomit erupted from her mouth. This wasn't so much a Queen's speech as an exorcism. A desperate purge of the toxic waste that had been forced on her by a prime minister she had come to detest. A man who had already misled her over one prorogation and was now using her as a frontwoman to deliver an election manifesto. She had had her fair share of grubby moments during her time on the throne – the Ceaușescu state visit being a case in point – but this was almost up there.

...

Then the lord chancellor handed her the parchment and her professionalism kicked in. "My government," she began. My government, my arse. This wasn't her government. It wasn't anyone's government. It was just a bunch of shits and charlatans, men and women for whom lying was second nature. That her reign should have come to this. She and the country surely deserved better. Though perhaps they didn't. Maybe the UK was on a one-way ticket to becoming a failed state.

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Two hours later the Commons was back in session to go through the charade of debating a Queen's speech that was never going to be implemented, while pretending the really serious business of the Brexit negotiations in Brussels wasn't happening. If this was a war, parliament would have been court martialed for dereliction of duty.

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Corbyn spotted his opportunity to live down to the occasion. This was the most open of open goals. All he had to do was declare the debate a farce, deliver his own election manifesto, point out that Johnson had now embarrassed the Queen twice within a couple of months, and ask when he was planning on going for the hat-trick.

Instead he rambled on, mistaking the Queen's speech as serious policy and getting hopelessly bogged down as he tried and failed to grapple with the lack of detail.

[Razgovory]

Seem a shame for Brits to leave monarchy now.  They are one of the very few countries that managed to get monarchy right.

[Tamas]

Seem a shame for Brits to leave monarchy now.  They are one of the very few countries that managed to get monarchy right.

In what way? The monarch doesn't do anything. She serves less purpose in maintaining the reigning political order than figurehead presidents in other European countries.

[Sheilbh]

Not strictly Brexit related. But in further good King, wicked advisers news, I see that John McDonnell is now being attacked by the online left media for being *checks notes* a secret Blairite centrist somehow linked to Alastair Campbell and somehow undermining the Corbyn project....

[Tamas]

Not strictly Brexit related. But in further good King, wicked advisers news, I see that John McDonnell is now being attacked by the online left media for being *checks notes* a secret Blairite centrist somehow linked to Alastair Campbell and somehow undermining the Corbyn project....

[Razgovory]

Seem a shame for Brits to leave monarchy now.  They are one of the very few countries that managed to get monarchy right.

In what way? The monarch doesn't do anything. She serves less purpose in maintaining the reigning political order than figurehead presidents in other European countries.

Exactly.  The monarch doesn't do anything.  They had to kill and exile some monarchs to get to this point.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Not strictly Brexit related. But in further good King, wicked advisers news, I see that John McDonnell is now being attacked by the online left media for being *checks notes* a secret Blairite centrist somehow linked to Alastair Campbell and somehow undermining the Corbyn project....

Just like Bukharin and Zinoviev I suppose; Blairites to a man