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[celedhring]

Is the plot of Usual Suspects a 100% lie? I mean, the attack on the boat does happen. I always thought the broad framework of what Verbal tells Kujan is true - how Soze (himself) played Keaton and the others to do his bidding - he just obscures the names/details to Kujan so he can't track him down later.

The reason you think that is the flashbacks he's narrating.  Because the director confirms it with optics.  But we know from the start Postlewaite would not introduce himself as Kobayashi because Soze had not seen that coffee cup yet.  If that scene is a lie every scene *could* be a lie. 

I think that's a plot hole more than anything else - but the flashbacks can still lie regardless.

But I think there's enough outside stuff that confirms the broad strokes of Kint's story - we know Keaton is real and was on the boat and faced Soze in it (the opening scene is not connected to Kint's narrative), we know a Hungarian survivor identifies him as Soze, etc... Kint gives fake names, locations, etc... (we know Kobayashi is a real person, just not by that name) but the broad strokes of the narrative - him as Keyser Soze tricked a bunch of hitmen into assaulting a boat to protect his identity - is true. 

We don't know Keaton was on the boat.  We have 22 unidentifiable burned bodies and Kint's testimony.

We have a lineup, 22 dead bodies, and whatever Kint says.

We know Keaton was on the boat and met Keyser Soze there (Keaton uses the name), who shot him. It's the first scene of the movie. That scene is not illustrating Kint's testimony. It's a real flashback.

Kint during the first half tries to obscure the whole thing is tied to Soze, with all the mumbo jumbo about Redfoot and the heist, But when the surviving Hungarian wakes up and spits out the Keyser Soze name, he has to retool and acknowledge it while still protecting himself. So he tries to make it look like Keaton was Soze (something that we should know it's false, btw).

I haven't watched the movie in a long time, but that's how I remember it.

Also, the first time I watched the movie my soccer coach had semi-spoiled the ending (I knew Kint was lying), so I've never watched it full fresh. 

[Admiral Yi]

Convincing stuff celery.