Who would you vote if the 2016 election is Trump vs. Sanders

Started by jimmy olsen, August 03, 2015, 11:13:19 PM

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Who would you vote if the 2016 election is Trump vs. Sanders?

American - I'd vote for Trump
11 (13.8%)
American - I'd vote for Sanders
27 (33.8%)
American - I'd vote for a right wing third party candidate
2 (2.5%)
American - I'd vote for a left wing third party candidate
2 (2.5%)
Euro and Friends - I'd vote for Trump
8 (10%)
Euro and Friends - I'd vote for Sanders
25 (31.3%)
Euro and Friends - I'd vote for a right wing third party candidate
1 (1.3%)
Euro and Friends - I'd vote for a left wing third party candidate
4 (5%)

Total Members Voted: 79

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mongers

#150
August 30, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Up until today, I haven't really listened to Trump, ever.  I read about what he said, but I never watched his delivery. 

I have to say, watching Trump speak is quite a fascination show.  The guy is clearly very intelligent, and is crazy like a fox.  I can definitely see why people would be falling for him, even if every other person in Trump's position would long be disqualified for his Democrat past and maybe even present.

Is he a demagogue?  :unsure:
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DGuller

#151
August 30, 2015, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 30, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Up until today, I haven't really listened to Trump, ever.  I read about what he said, but I never watched his delivery. 

I have to say, watching Trump speak is quite a fascination show.  The guy is clearly very intelligent, and is crazy like a fox.  I can definitely see why people would be falling for him, even if every other person in Trump's position would long be disqualified for his Democrat past and maybe even present.

Is he a demagogue?  :unsure:
I think that goes without saying.  That said, the good part about his crazy as a fox strategy is that he can go second level with it.  People who aren't quite stupid enough to be legit Trump groupies will realize that Trump is crazy like a fox, and will thus selectively ignore the outlandish stuff (because obviously once it gets down to business, all the crazy will go out the window, except for the good and useful kind).

Razgovory

#152
August 30, 2015, 10:14:36 PM
To me he comes off as a tiresome blowhard who constantly reminds people of how wealthy he is.  Since he isn't exactly a self-made man, the fact that he's rich doesn't impress me much.  His grandpa was a self made man, he was sort of like Bar Owner in the HBO show Deadwood.
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Martinus

#153
August 31, 2015, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2015, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 30, 2015, 03:00:02 PM
One things for sure , if he wins, European bewilderment will massively trump that over either Bush or Reagan.
How is he any different than Silvio?  His political style is practically European.

You are an idiot.

Admiral Yi

#154
August 31, 2015, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Up until today, I haven't really listened to Trump, ever.  I read about what he said, but I never watched his delivery. 

I have to say, watching Trump speak is quite a fascination show.  The guy is clearly very intelligent, and is crazy like a fox.  I can definitely see why people would be falling for him, even if every other person in Trump's position would long be disqualified for his Democrat past and maybe even present.

I think the exact opposite.  I think he's crazy like a shrubbery.  He's never had anyone around him who's job it was to tell him what he was doing is wrong.  He's never associated with anyone who disagreed with him.  His randomly generated thougts have simply managed to bring to light a hitherto unkown demographic, the white conservative nihiist.

Admiral Yi

#155
August 31, 2015, 12:27:44 AM
Although I suppose one could argue that were strong intimations of that wold view in the Tea Party movement.

Or world view, either one.

jimmy olsen

#156
August 31, 2015, 04:21:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2015, 12:10:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2015, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 30, 2015, 03:00:02 PM
One things for sure , if he wins, European bewilderment will massively trump that over either Bush or Reagan.
How is he any different than Silvio?  His political style is practically European.

You are an idiot.
Enlighten me. How is he fundamentally different from  Silvio?
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Martinus

#157
August 31, 2015, 04:23:21 AM
Maybe you haven't realised but Silvio was not elected the leader of Europe. Saying that Silvio is somehow representative for Europe is like saying Sarah Palin as a governor of Alaska is representative for US leaders. It was a fluke. Most of Europe is nothing like Italy and holds Italy and its political system in contempt.

jimmy olsen

#158
August 31, 2015, 05:26:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2015, 04:23:21 AM
Maybe you haven't realised but Silvio was not elected the leader of Europe. Saying that Silvio is somehow representative for Europe is like saying Sarah Palin as a governor of Alaska is representative for US leaders. It was a fluke. Most of Europe is nothing like Italy and holds Italy and its political system in contempt.
Italy is major nation state, surely it deserves a comparison to a state like Florida or Illinois.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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DGuller

#159
August 31, 2015, 06:32:35 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 31, 2015, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Up until today, I haven't really listened to Trump, ever.  I read about what he said, but I never watched his delivery. 

I have to say, watching Trump speak is quite a fascination show.  The guy is clearly very intelligent, and is crazy like a fox.  I can definitely see why people would be falling for him, even if every other person in Trump's position would long be disqualified for his Democrat past and maybe even present.

I think the exact opposite.  I think he's crazy like a shrubbery.  He's never had anyone around him who's job it was to tell him what he was doing is wrong.  He's never associated with anyone who disagreed with him.  His randomly generated thougts have simply managed to bring to light a hitherto unkown demographic, the white conservative nihiist.
You can be right.  People always underestimate the chance that personal success can come just from being the right idiot in exactly the right time and place.

Capetan Mihali

#160
August 31, 2015, 07:59:36 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 29, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
Teddy Kennedy 1980.

Not a Democrat (though ultimately not a Republican either), but Anderson in 1980 comes to mind strongly for the scenario described.
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DGuller

#161
August 31, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
According to the latest Iowa poll, the top 3 are Trump, Carson, and Fiorina.  :hmm: It's not until fourth place that you get, oh crap, Cruz.  Oy vey.

viper37

#162
August 31, 2015, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2015, 04:23:21 AM
Maybe you haven't realised but Silvio was not elected the leader of Europe. Saying that Silvio is somehow representative for Europe is like saying Sarah Palin as a governor of Alaska is representative for US leaders. It was a fluke. Most of Europe is nothing like Italy and holds Italy and its political system in contempt.
compared to the present bunch, she looks like a Nobel prizer winner.
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Martinus

#163
August 31, 2015, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2015, 05:26:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2015, 04:23:21 AM
Maybe you haven't realised but Silvio was not elected the leader of Europe. Saying that Silvio is somehow representative for Europe is like saying Sarah Palin as a governor of Alaska is representative for US leaders. It was a fluke. Most of Europe is nothing like Italy and holds Italy and its political system in contempt.
Italy is major nation state, surely it deserves a comparison to a state like Florida or Illinois.

The EU is not a country. It's a free trade area. It's like drawing conclusions about the preferences of Americans based on leadership in Mexico.

Berkut

#164
August 31, 2015, 12:59:08 PM
The EU is whatever the person arguing about it says it is, for the purposes of the argument being made.

For example, apparently the relationship between France and Germany, say, in the context of this argument, is similar to the relationship between the US and Mexico.

If this was some other argument, the relationship would be whatever that argument needs.

The EU is everything and nothing.
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