Staind singer stops concert to demand audience members stop ‘molesting’ teen

[derspiess]

Now you did it

[Legbiter]

Good thing there was a man around to protect her. 

[CountDeMoney]

Now you did it

You need to come back and visit East Baltimore, and see what the Jerry Springer audiences are wearing for the summer line-up.  It's a tube top, not an innertube, lady:bleeding:

[Legbiter]

  You went Full Meri. I sort of expected that.

Why do I have to lock my house and car. People should just not steal. 

[Valmy]

  You went Full Meri. I sort of expected that.

Why do I have to lock my house and car. People should just not steal. 

No matter how many times I explain how this comparison completely fails it just keeps being made.  Just FYI: the Saudis use this exact same argument to justify all their woman-hating laws so consider the company you are keeping.

[Legbiter]

No matter how many times I explain how this comparison completely fails it just keeps being made.  Just FYI: the Saudis use this exact same argument to justify all their woman-hating laws so consider the company you are keeping.

[derspiess]

Now you did it

You need to come back and visit East Baltimore, and see what the Jerry Springer audiences are wearing for the summer line-up.  It's a tube top, not an innertube, lady:bleeding:

I went to Kings Island this weekend (including the water park area), so I'm up to speed on that

[merithyn]

Is the issue that there is a dress code, or that the dress code is poorly written?

The justification for the dress code.

I talked to my daughter about the dress code a few weeks ago. She walked up to me and said, "Do you think schools should have a dress code?"

I said, "Yes, because school is kind of like your job. There's a particular way that you are supposed to conduct yourself in certain places, and that includes dress and manners. Having a dress code helps teach you those manners and how best to conduct yourself. Why?"

She said, "Well your answer is better than Mr. Williams'." (Mr. Williams is the principal.) That's when I heard about the "distractions" justification. She said, "So, basically, the principal has said that it's my fault if a boy can't concentrate on his school work because I wore a shirt that's too tight, or a skirt that's too short. And that's bullsh-- er.. crap."

That's a problem.

[derspiess]

Yeah, that is a problem.  She shouldn't be using that language.  It's unladylike

[frunk]

Why do I have to lock my house and car. People should just not steal. 

Even assuming this is a reasonable equivalency, I don't see how it should make a significant difference.  I'd still expect the police to prosecute the thief, and the penalties should be just as harsh as if they broke into the house/car.  Theft is still theft. 

[Malthus]

Why do I have to lock my house and car. People should just not steal. 

Even assuming this is a reasonable equivalency, I don't see how it should make a significant difference.  I'd still expect the police to prosecute the thief, and the penalties should be just as harsh as if they broke into the house/car.  Theft is still theft.

I suspect both sides in this argument are all for punishing rapists.

I think the unstated assuption against the analogy is that, if only men were properly educated, they would not sexually assault women - that it is basically a cultural thing ("rape culture") that can be cured/prevented by changing the culture.

In contrast, those using the analogy are more of the view that rapists are bad people who like to rape, just as theives are bad people who like to steal, and that changing the culture isn't going to do anything to prevent them.

The difference here is that, for those who believe this is basically a cultural issue, imposing dress codes on women indirectly supports the very culture that encourages rape in the first place. For those who see rape as a crime akin to stealing, i.e. something everyone realizes is bad, but that some do anyway because they like to, dress codes and the like are merely sensible precautions, to avoid attracting attention from the bad guys.

[jimmy olsen]

Meri, without discussing the details of any particular dress code, are there limits where a person of ordinary constitution is relieved of the responsibility of being one hundred percent in control of their thoughts, feelings, and inner life, as distinct from their actions, due to what other humans are or are not wearing?

No.

[The Brain]

Meri, without discussing the details of any particular dress code, are there limits where a person of ordinary constitution is relieved of the responsibility of being one hundred percent in control of their thoughts, feelings, and inner life, as distinct from their actions, due to what other humans are or are not wearing?

No.

Correct. But why?

[garbon]

Why do I have to lock my house and car. People should just not steal. 

Even assuming this is a reasonable equivalency, I don't see how it should make a significant difference.  I'd still expect the police to prosecute the thief, and the penalties should be just as harsh as if they broke into the house/car.  Theft is still theft. 

These girls say, "Well, I should be able to get drunk at a fraternity party and go upstairs to a guy's room without anything happening."  And I say, "Oh, really?  And when you drive your car into New York City, do you leave your keys on the hood?"  My point is that if your car is stolen after you do something like that, yes, the police should pursue the thief and he should be punished.  But at the same time, the police – and I – have the right to say to you, "You stupid idiot, what the hell were you thinking?"

[Legbiter]

Even assuming this is a reasonable equivalency, I don't see how it should make a significant difference.  I'd still expect the police to prosecute the thief, and the penalties should be just as harsh as if they broke into the house/car.  Theft is still theft.

Nothing I disagree with here.

I find this notion that you can just wag a finger, go tut-tut and tell a rapist not to rape laughable. It's just such a delusional naive white American college chick burgeois way of seeing the world. Or it's a doctrinaire feminist's peevish, grudging rancor against men. Either way, it's stupid, it's a dangerous world out there and it's up to you to protect yourself. The lack of imagination for criminality amazes even me, and I live in a pretty docile place.

I guess I must have a very criminal mind.