[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[HVC]

Say what you will, but it appears Albania is better at fighting American corruption than American courts are.

[crazy canuck]

Low bar

[Duque de Bragança]

Say what you will, but it appears Albania is better at fighting American corruption than American courts are.

Low bar

Damning with faint praise once again. 
Even EU standards are higher than that. I mean, Albanian ones.   

Albania would only get in, at best, assuming the international situation somewhat stabilises, in 20-30 years. The UK is more likely to re-enter.  Assuming countries in the EU want them back and a miracle consensus happens in the UK.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, Albania is infested with corrupt American and Russian oligarchs. Not sure the EU would want them in.

[Valmy]

This is a theoretical exercise. I am not endorsing Turkey's, Albania's, Bosnia's, or Kosovo's membership in the EU.

[Duque de Bragança]

Even Montenegro is not likely to enter soon.
Full of Russian oligarchs there as well.

[HVC]

Even Montenegro is not likely to enter soon.
Full of Russian oligarchs there as well.

So's the UK, isn't it?

[Duque de Bragança]

Even Montenegro is not likely to enter soon.
Full of Russian oligarchs there as well.

So's the UK, isn't it?

Not candidate, yet. So, no. 

[crazy canuck]

Even Montenegro is not likely to enter soon.
Full of Russian oligarchs there as well.

So's the UK, isn't it?

Yes, and they self selected themselves out.

[crazy canuck]

Trump is trying his usual bargaining strategy of threatening to drop out if CUSMA.  Problem for the Americans is we don't care anymore. Our trade with other nations is up close to 20%. And if the Americans do withdraw, so what-they still need our goods. They are just going to cost more for Americans.

Thanks Trump. You forced us to do what we we should have done long ago.

[crazy canuck]

And right on cue, the American ambassador said that the Trump threat was an invitation to make a deal. Idiots.

[Barrister]

Trump is trying his usual bargaining strategy of threatening to drop out if CUSMA.  Problem for the Americans is we don't care anymore. Our trade with other nations is up close to 20%. And if the Americans do withdraw, so what-they still need our goods. They are just going to cost more for Americans.

Thanks Trump. You forced us to do what we we should have done long ago.

The US takes 73% of all our exports.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/exports-by-country

I couldn't confirm the "up by 20%" figure at all, but even if true - it's still only a small portion of our overall trade.

There are lots of different suggestions on how to deal with Trump's various trade threats, but it just isn't true to say we "don't care anymore".

[crazy canuck]

Trump is trying his usual bargaining strategy of threatening to drop out if CUSMA.  Problem for the Americans is we don't care anymore. Our trade with other nations is up close to 20%. And if the Americans do withdraw, so what-they still need our goods. They are just going to cost more for Americans.

Thanks Trump. You forced us to do what we we should have done long ago.

The US takes 73% of all our exports.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/exports-by-country

I couldn't confirm the "up by 20%" figure at all, but even if true - it's still only a small portion of our overall trade.

There are lots of different suggestions on how to deal with Trump's various trade threats, but it just isn't true to say we "don't care anymore".

I think you have misread what I wrote. I said our trade with other nations is up 20% not 20% of our total trade.

In fact, by definition if 73% of our trade is with the Americans then by simple math, our trade with others is actually greater than 20%, and increasing at an unprecedented rate of close to 20%.


And I'm not surprised that you are supporting the position of the leader of the conservative party, who says that we should be doing our best to appease the Americans so that we can obtain whatever trade deal they demand. Truth of the matter is that, as you say, the actually need what we produce. If they want to charge their consumers more for those goods, why should we care?

[Valmy]

Trump is trying his usual bargaining strategy of threatening to drop out if CUSMA.  Problem for the Americans is we don't care anymore. Our trade with other nations is up close to 20%. And if the Americans do withdraw, so what-they still need our goods. They are just going to cost more for Americans.

Thanks Trump. You forced us to do what we we should have done long ago.

The US takes 73% of all our exports.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/exports-by-country

I couldn't confirm the "up by 20%" figure at all, but even if true - it's still only a small portion of our overall trade.

There are lots of different suggestions on how to deal with Trump's various trade threats, but it just isn't true to say we "don't care anymore".

We are both by far our biggest trade partners.

Which makes the utter contempt, neglect, and disdain of this relationship from our end rather puzzling, outside of panic in the impacted industries of course.

[Barrister]

Trump is trying his usual bargaining strategy of threatening to drop out if CUSMA.  Problem for the Americans is we don't care anymore. Our trade with other nations is up close to 20%. And if the Americans do withdraw, so what-they still need our goods. They are just going to cost more for Americans.

Thanks Trump. You forced us to do what we we should have done long ago.

The US takes 73% of all our exports.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/exports-by-country

I couldn't confirm the "up by 20%" figure at all, but even if true - it's still only a small portion of our overall trade.

There are lots of different suggestions on how to deal with Trump's various trade threats, but it just isn't true to say we "don't care anymore".

I think you have misread what I wrote. I said our trade with other nations is up 20% not 20% of our total trade.

In fact, by definition if 73% of our trade is with the Americans then by simple math, our trade with others is actually greater than 20%.


And I'm not surprised that you are supporting the position of the leader of the conservative party, who says that we should be doing our best to appease the Americans so that we can obtain whatever trade deal they demand. Truth of the matter is that, as you say, the actually need what we produce. If they want to charge their consumers more for those goods, why should we care?

I understood you just fine.

A 20% increase of 27% of our overall trade is still a lot less than 73% of our overall trade.

I am also not surprised that you label Poilievre's approach as "appeasement".

Look - I don't know what the right approach is with Trump.  Giving him what he wants doesn't seem to work - because what he wants is tariffs.  But trade war with the US isn't the answer either.  You say "the US needs what we produce" - but with tariffs the US is going to buy less of it, which hurts Canadian workers and industries.