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Started by Josephus, March 22, 2011, 09:27:34 PM

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crazy canuck

Quote from: Jacob on February 03, 2026, 04:49:59 PMShe's got the note that to properly undermine the rule of law and democracy, she'll need to first suborn the judiciary.

Thinking about this more, there's a lot to unpack in what she has done.

I'm not certain whether she just doesn't understand the constitution or she's counting on the fact that her right wing followers don't understand the constitution.  But constitutional ill literacy is required for a premier to make such an announcement.

The division of powers between the federal and provincial governments is a core constitutional principle it has been since Confederation. 

What she is insisting upon is a constitutional amendment which bypasses the amending formula that was created when our constitution was repatriated.

So Jacob, I think you're correct when you identified the goal here as an attack on the rule of law, but it is at a more fundamental level than the subordination of the judiciary.  Much of what she does is an attack on the rule of law.

Her attempts to undermine the rule of law, have thus far being frustrated because our judiciary has not been Americanized.

But the American model of appointment is what she's aiming for because she sees that under their model judges can be appointed to carry out the destruction of the rule of law.
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viper37

Quote from: crazy canuck on February 04, 2026, 08:22:46 AMI'm not certain whether she just doesn't understand the constitution or she's counting on the fact that her right wing followers don't understand the constitution
Yes.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

In other news, the CAF will now require all its officers to achieve a bilingual rating of BBB.

B1 or weak B2 on the CEFR scale.

Able to get information from a text or hold a conversation in both languages.
Govt link


I thought Anglos CAF members would react badly, but they're mostly displeased by their level of training and lack of opportunity to follow the courses.
Something will have to change.

I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

crazy canuck

Quote from: viper37 on February 04, 2026, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 04, 2026, 08:22:46 AMI'm not certain whether she just doesn't understand the constitution or she's counting on the fact that her right wing followers don't understand the constitution
Yes.

 :D
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crazy canuck

Quote from: viper37 on February 04, 2026, 10:35:56 AMIn other news, the CAF will now require all its officers to achieve a bilingual rating of BBB.

B1 or weak B2 on the CEFR scale.

Able to get information from a text or hold a conversation in both languages.
Govt link


I thought Anglos CAF members would react badly, but they're mostly displeased by their level of training and lack of opportunity to follow the courses.
Something will have to change.



I am surprised that is not already a requirement of an officer
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: viper37 on February 04, 2026, 10:35:56 AMIn other news, the CAF will now require all its officers to achieve a bilingual rating of BBB.

B1 or weak B2 on the CEFR scale.

Able to get information from a text or hold a conversation in both languages.
Govt link


I thought Anglos CAF members would react badly, but they're mostly displeased by their level of training and lack of opportunity to follow the courses.
Something will have to change.



They should not. They won't get French teachers from Paris or Tours.  :P

viper37

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 04, 2026, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 04, 2026, 10:35:56 AMIn other news, the CAF will now require all its officers to achieve a bilingual rating of BBB.

B1 or weak B2 on the CEFR scale.

Able to get information from a text or hold a conversation in both languages.
Govt link


I thought Anglos CAF members would react badly, but they're mostly displeased by their level of training and lack of opportunity to follow the courses.
Something will have to change.



They should not. They won't get French teachers from Paris or Tours.  :P
:P
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Jacob

Quote from: crazy canuck on February 04, 2026, 08:22:46 AMThinking about this more, there's a lot to unpack in what she has done.

I'm not certain whether she just doesn't understand the constitution or she's counting on the fact that her right wing followers don't understand the constitution.  But constitutional ill literacy is required for a premier to make such an announcement.

The division of powers between the federal and provincial governments is a core constitutional principle it has been since Confederation. 

What she is insisting upon is a constitutional amendment which bypasses the amending formula that was created when our constitution was repatriated.

So Jacob, I think you're correct when you identified the goal here as an attack on the rule of law, but it is at a more fundamental level than the subordination of the judiciary.  Much of what she does is an attack on the rule of law.

Her attempts to undermine the rule of law, have thus far being frustrated because our judiciary has not been Americanized.

But the American model of appointment is what she's aiming for because she sees that under their model judges can be appointed to carry out the destruction of the rule of law.

Makes sense.

Another angle, I think, is that since the framing is a bit Quixotic it potentially gives Smith and her band of wannabe-American-sellouts an evergreen issue to manufacture political capital from with their own base. "See! The feds are being unreasonable and won't consider working with us on this critical and totally legitimate issue for Albertan identity".

Bauer

Alberta separatism has never made sense to me.  It seems to go along the lines of: 
- we have higher income (good)
- we pay higher taxes due to the above (bad)
- we pay transfer payments (bad - especially to Quebec)
- other provinces block our pipelines (bc and Quebec)

Of all those points the only one I can understand is the pipeline beef. 

They seem most sore about transfer payments, which US states have as well.    They also seem to think they'll become as wealthy as emirates magically by separating.

It really seems like greed pure and simple.

Jacob

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 02, 2026, 07:26:32 AMI agree with you it's not a real life thing anymore. Old stock White Anglos of Quebec have been displaced by non-white immigration in their use of english in Quebec, especially Montreal. For obvious reason they aren't keen on using that kind of racist language.

:lol: Yeah that wouldn't work out, I don't think.

QuoteI've only encountered it once in the street in my life and that was in Toronto in my early 20s.

Assholes. But I'm glad to hear that it's a thing that has faded from actual use.

QuoteBut Online? In the more Anglo-Saxon progressive forums, places like ResetEra and BluSky, Québec, our institutions and our government are denounced for our protection of French, for our insistance that it be the language of the land. For our laws that enforce a French first schooling. No one is yelling "Speak White", but we know what it means.

You can find abuse and denunciations online no matter who you are and what you believe in. I recently found a bunch of vitriolic anti-Denmark stuff... I wonder why?  :hmm:

I'm hesitant to say it doesn't matter, but I'm also hesitant to say that it reflects anything outside of those particular online locations. I'm reasonably confident that at least some of it is manufactured to put pressure on social fault lines by outside agendas.

I mean, it's true that a bunch of anglos will find some of Quebec's laicite and language laws racist when they apply the American definition of racist/ problematic (which is usually the default), and will have opinions about them. I also don't think it's something most anglos particularly care about (except, of course, the ones who self-select to argue about it on the internet). And I don't think very many people think anything should be done about it. Basically, "it's Quebec's business and if it's a little odd... oh well *shrug*."

They may have ignorant opinions, but those opinions aren't going to do anything so should just be ignored (unless you're in the mood for internet shit fights).

QuoteOur governments are not perfect, right now they are dumb has bricks, but I usually feel that Canadian progressives have forgotten (or never knew?) what were the goals of the Révolution Tranquille.

1) Freedom from religion.
2) Ability to live and thrive in French.

and criticized along the same anti-imperialism/anti-colonialism lines that they criticized their our government.

You're probably right. I don't think anglophone Canadians - progressive or otherwise - are particularly aware of the Quiet Revolution, much less its goals.

IMEX awareness of Quebec history goes something like this (for the people who are even remotely aware of history, of course, where many are not):

  • There were French colonists here. Something about Voyageurs.
  • Battle on the Plains of Abraham --> British victory
  • Stuff
  • The FLQ. Gosh those Quebecois really got a bee in their bonnet, eh?
  • Meech Lake (maybe this one is marginal)
  • Referendum (probably also marginal)
  • Things are pretty okay now, aren't they?

20-30+ years ago, I think the Quiet Revolution would've been part of what anglos knew about Quebec, but nowadays I think it's seen as ancient history - of interest only to those who are into history.

Obviously it's much more foundational to the self-understanding of the Quebecois, for good reason.

TLDR: You're right.

Then again, I feel like modern progressives* are pretty ignorant of any kind of context or history prior to the year 2000 - not just in relation to Quebec but in relation to... most things.

(*not just progressives, actually)

Grey Fox

#24520
Thanks.

Yeah, it really sucks on how we've lost all sense of history about, well, everything.

@Bauer Everytime Albertans cry about transfer payments, Quebec just roll it's collective eyes. If only they taxed properly.
Getting ready to make IEDs against American Occupation Forces.

"But I didn't vote for him"; they cried.

crazy canuck

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HVC

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7 current and one former Toronto cops arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, shootings, extortion, robbery, drug and firearms trafficking. The former was the dad of one of the the current cops. Tow truck drivers are tangled up in it somehow too, which isn't surprising. I have family in the industry and, well, it's not the most scrupulous industry in the GTA.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Jacob

The former cop had seven police officer children? Or just some of the seven cops were his kids?

HVC

Missed the "one" between the two of's  :blush:

Additionally the conspiracy to to commit murder was to kill a corrections officer.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.