[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

With all the ™Speak White™ (these days cyber-) jihad on French, it's hardly accepting the language.   

Please, you'd be the first to tell a  quebecois to speak proper French if you ever met one, so I don't think you're the best to speak on the matter

You are the one who should stay quiet (calado serias poeta)    the Anglo-Azorean-Brazilian-Lisboete pidgin "speaker" who claims to speak proper Portuguese.

Point proven, thank you

Foreigners always seem to know what "proper" French is, or at least Americans worry they won't be able to understand Québécois because they learn from French teacher.

I, on the other hand, have no clue what "proper" Portuguese or "proper" Spanish would sound.  I'm able to register the difference between a actor who speaks European Spanish vs American Spanish (female vs male va for FC6), but still unable to differentiate a Columbian from a Venezuelan or a Dominican.  And Portuguese, I don't think I would know the difference between a Brazilian and a European speaker.

But with French speakers, it's like they know before we open our mouth that they won't understand us because they've been trained by a Parisian. 😂

[crazy canuck]

Many thanks for the explanation Viper.

[Valmy]

But with French speakers, it's like they know before we open our mouth that they won't understand us because they've been trained by a Parisian. 😂

My teacher was from Nantes

[Duque de Bragança]

With all the ™Speak White™ (these days cyber-) jihad on French, it's hardly accepting the language.   

Please, you'd be the first to tell a  quebecois to speak proper French if you ever met one, so I don't think you're the best to speak on the matter

You are the one who should stay quiet (calado serias poeta)    the Anglo-Azorean-Brazilian-Lisboete pidgin "speaker" who claims to speak proper Portuguese.

Point proven, thank you

Indeed. Your double standards were once again shown. Glass houses et tout le tralala 

I mean, Portuguese syntax, itself not that difficult, eludes you. I know you are not a Portuguese citizen, but that's no excuse cf. Jorge Jesus. 

[Duque de Bragança]

With all the ™Speak White™ (these days cyber-) jihad on French, it's hardly accepting the language.   

Please, you'd be the first to tell a  quebecois to speak proper French if you ever met one, so I don't think you're the best to speak on the matter

You are the one who should stay quiet (calado serias poeta)    the Anglo Canadian-Azorean-Brazilian-Lisboete pidgin "speaker" who claims to speak proper Portuguese.

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Point proven, thank you

Foreigners always seem to know what "proper" French is, or at least Americans worry they won't be able to understand Québécois because they learn from French teacher.

I, on the other hand, have no clue what "proper" Portuguese or "proper" Spanish would sound.  I'm able to register the difference between a actor who speaks European Spanish vs American Spanish (female vs male va for FC6), but still unable to differentiate a Columbian from a Venezuelan or a Dominican.  And Portuguese, I don't think I would know the difference between a Brazilian and a European speaker.

First replace European speaker for Portuguese by non-Brazilian Lusophone; other Portuguese dialects are much closer to the "standard".

As for differences, Brazilians being Americans and very influenced by English, have merged Tu e vous (as você), while some Brazil dialects useTu in the third person ; even HVC would bat an aye that one. 

Stress is the same, but closed vowels are the difference ; that makes (standard) Portuguese closer to French (désolé Viper). It went as far as the Lisboete bourgeoise, as the Milanese, trying to mimick the French r, with disastrous results, sounding more like a very guttural or uvular r faubourien. Awful, but not standard Portuguese though, despite media influence.



Brazilians are also more informal in general, so lots of tenses and pronouns in standard Portuguese are too complex for them. During religious offices, with the stilted Portuguese in use, they must be really lost.
OTOH, Brazilians use fluently the Futur du subjonctif and imparfait du subjonctif, as in standard Portuguese. 

But with French speakers, it's like they know before we open our mouth that they won't understand us because they've been trained by a Parisian. 😂

Not understanding is a bit of an exaggeration. Sociolect, not just dialect plays a part. Add idiolect for Hilário. 

Plus, were the people in question trained by a Tourangeau, the result would be the same. By the way, don't say there, in Tours, the standard is from Paris, or they will get triggered. 

As for the "European" Spanish and Portuguese strawman, even in the original countries there is a quite a bit of dialectal variation. Try understand the "Castilian" of Andalusia, for instance. 

In fact, more than in Brazil, as for Portuguese. Brazilian dialects come from southern Portuguese dialects, cf. gerund being still a key figure of the singing Alentejano dialect despite not being standard or even being considered awful for Lisboetes, much easier on the ears than most Brazilian Portuguese dialects, but I digress.
Cristiano Ronaldo got quite mocked with his Madeira dialect; his mother still speaks the dialect, unlike him, for instance.

Lastly, no such a thing as the Académie in Portugal. Spain has one, but has to coordinate with other comparable American (Hispano-American) institutions.

As for Spanish or Castilian, there are some pronouns or lack of them which are dead giveways, among other phonetic differences (s vs c/z) but I leave that to the hispanophones or castilianophones (is that a word?).
Can't speak for syntax variations ; Brazilians hate syntax and even the São Paulo or even Rio de Janeiro (closer to Lisboete) dialects are purely suggestions, at best.

[Duque de Bragança]

But with French speakers, it's like they know before we open our mouth that they won't understand us because they've been trained by a Parisian. 😂

My teacher was from Nantes

Not a true Breton Valmy, sorry. Nantes was never a Breton-speaking area, despite the claims of Breton regionalists. Part of Brittany, yes but as a marche.

It's not like Breton nationalists did not try to eliminate the romanced-based dialect of Brittany called gallo, anyways.