Israel-Hamas War 2023

[The Brain]

DG isn't smug. He engages with issues intellectually.

[grumbler]

Apart from the use of chatgpt, the smugness and condescension that drips from almost all of DG's posts is what prevents me from engaging. 

 

[Grey Fox]

Apart from the use of chatgpt, the smugness and condescension that drips from almost all of DG's posts is what prevents me from engaging. 

 

Zoup's franco-canadian. He's basically the Obelix of smugness.

[Zoupa]

DG isn't smug. He engages with issues intellectually.

He's so intellectual, one could say it's artificial. 

[Sophie Scholl]

Since someone mentioned I underwent some type of "shift" on October 7th, here's attached my closest post that discusses my opinion then. It matches my opinion now. I think it is a great tragedy for Israelis, Palestinians, and the world that this continues to happen. Again. And Again. And Again. And Again. etc. I still believe that the one country that has the power to make a legitimate difference is how things will play out is Israel. I don't think every Israeli supports Bibi and his ilk, let alone every Jew. I do think that until the Bibis of Israel lose power to folks who actually *want* a lasting and peaceful end to things, there will be no peace. It is not in the interests of Bibi and co. to allow for a lasting and peaceful end to things. They get everything they want other than dead Israelis by allowing some to be sacrificed on their partner in hate, Hamas', altar. Hamas needs to go. I haven't changed my mind on that, either. Alas, as long as they're being propped up as helpful opposition by those in power in Israel and their allies, they'll stay in power, too. There, once again, needs to be a change in power to folks who actually want a lasting and peaceful end to things. We're stuck in a Groundhog Day of awfulness right now, though, as both sides have those dedicated to ensuring that the status quo of increasing hate and conflict are in power.
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[Josquius]

Interesting timing, today this article pops up about modern attempts to legally conflate criticism of Israel and anti semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/mar/23/antisemitism-redefinition-jewish-safety-christian-nationalism-democracy

[Razgovory]

That's a fucking shitty reaction to mass rape and murder and a fallacy.  The Palestinians have power in how they react.  They have power in whether or not the accept peace.  They have power in decided if they want to kill and rape.  This is a severe problem with the left-wing people.  People who designated as powerless are moral no matter what they do while people who designated as powerful are always bad.  This is absurd.
From what I can tell Hasan Piker is a shitbag.
"In one recent stream, Piker declared that "it doesn't matter if rapes f***ing happened on Oct. 7, like that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much," holding his fingers up in a pinching gesture. He had previously denied those atrocities."

"So that's the other part of this problem that many people can't contend with," he continued. "The Palestinian resistance is not perfect."

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/10/popular-leftist-twitch-streamer-hasan-piker-steps-up-antisemitic-anti-israel-rhetoric/

I watched this video on Hasan Pike.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSUDHx-1_ww

For those who don't want to watch: 9/11 was justified, Russian was justified in annexing Crimea, The thing happening with Uygurs didn't happen and it's just fine, the Houthis are great,

So keep in mind, if Islamist attacked you it would be justified.  It might not be perfect, but it resistance never is.

[Josquius]

Not mentioned by Raz... There's been a general left wing youtuber pile on vs hasan over his increasing tankieness.
I'm not exactly someone who follows that stuff deeply and I'm aware.
You keep cherry picking nutters as representative of the whole left.

[Razgovory]

Interesting timing, today this article pops up about modern attempts to legally conflate criticism of Israel and anti semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/mar/23/antisemitism-redefinition-jewish-safety-christian-nationalism-democracy

"How can we know what is homophobic?

"Why don't we let we LGBT people define it"

"Oh, that makes sense"

~

"How can we know what is anti-black?"

"Why don't we let black people define it"

"Oh, that makes sense"

~

"How can we know what is antisemitic?"

"uhhh...."

[Razgovory]

Not mentioned by Raz... There's been a general left wing youtuber pile on vs hasan over his increasing tankieness.
I'm not exactly someone who follows that stuff deeply and I'm aware

I posted a video of a left-winger attacking Hasan...

[Josquius]

Interesting timing, today this article pops up about modern attempts to legally conflate criticism of Israel and anti semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/mar/23/antisemitism-redefinition-jewish-safety-christian-nationalism-democracy

"How can we know what is homophobic?

"Why don't we let we LGBT people define it"

"Oh, that makes sense"

~

"How can we know what is anti-black?"

"Why don't we let black people define it"

"Oh, that makes sense"

~

"How can we know what is antisemitic?"

"uhhh...."

You forgot
"why don't we let Jewish people define it"
"oh that makes sense".

https://www.theguardian.com/film/video/2024/mar/11/jonathan-glazer-oscars-speech-gaza-israel-video

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/middleeast/israel-gaza-netanyahu-protest-war-resume-intl/index.html

[Razgovory]

The IHRA definition of antisemitism was developed by Jews and is the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union.

[Sophie Scholl]

Here's the definition and the full explanation of it from their site:
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

I'll note, I fully agree with every aspect of it as written. As interpreted by certain members of this community above and well beyond the words and meaning explicitly and fully put forth by the IHRA? Not so much. Therein lies the issue. Some folks want to invent their own "antisemitism" concept to better suit their personal hatreds, prejudices, and political views instead of accepting the one put forth as "the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union." 

[Razgovory]

Here's the definition and the full explanation of it from their site:
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

I'll note, I fully agree with every aspect of it as written. As interpreted by certain members of this community above and well beyond the words and meaning explicitly and fully put forth by the IHRA? Not so much. Therein lies the issue. Some folks want to invent their own "antisemitism" concept to better suit their personal hatreds, prejudices, and political views instead of accepting the one put forth as "the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union." 

I am unclear the point this post.  Josq linked a post critical of this definition as authoritarian.  I also agree with the definition.  The definition as written makes most of the ProPal organizations and large numbers, perhaps the majority, of demonstrators antisemitic.  But thanks for agreeing with me.

[Josquius]

The IHRA definition of antisemitism was developed by Jews and is the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union.

Yeah no. In the UK you can criticise Israel without going to court for anti semitism.