Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

I wonder why the Hamas leadership were such assholes to the children of Gaza.

Because dead children win support over seas.  Why do you think they use children to dig the tunnels under Gaza?  Of course, the Gazans are hardy bunch, during the whole war nobody died of natural causes.  In some cases people who were listed already dead were listed receiving treatment for cancer two weeks later.  That's a tough bunch.

[DGuller]

I'm not reading that. Why you, of all people, would think a statistical model would be a good tool to use to parse a philosophical argument.

Because I, of all people, think that it would be?  Also, "I had no idea a pragmatic perspective could lead one to such ridiculous conclusions." is not exactly the deepest work of philosophy produced by a human.

[viper37]

Why do you think they use children to dig the tunnels under Gaza?

Because they don't have much chance of growing into old people, Israel kills them long before that.

[Valmy]

Final Verdict on Their Reply?
Pure smug dismissal with zero substance. They didn't engage, didn't refute, and didn't even attempt to explain what's wrong with your reasoning. Not worth taking seriously unless you want to make them squirm by forcing them to elaborate.

Jesus Christ.

Ok here is me squirming: I don't understand how saying mean things about people transforms them into being mean. If I wanted to rip somebody by spreading rumors around that this person does horrible things like engage in international sex trafficking I would presume a normal response by a person would be to refute such a ridiculous notion. Not to just become an international sex trafficker...the only reason I would see that happening is if that person really wanted to be an international sex trafficker all along and just figured that so long he was paying a social price for it already, then he might as well actually do it. But then that would completely justify my actions, as obviously I was warning the world of a dangerous international sex trafficker. And correctly so. That person was clearly eager to be an international sex trafficker and if that excuse did not come along than another would.

And if it is true that claiming somebody is horrible actually does make bad things happen well, doesn't that completely undermine your anti-cancel culture position? Suddenly silencing people aggressively is preventing actual harm from being done. Maybe if we had just formed more cancel culture mobs and aggressively silenced everybody who claimed Israel was committing genocide, then no genocide would ever happen.

So I think this is an absurd position to take. If all Israel needed to endorse ethnic crimes was to be accused of committing ethnic crimes, well those accusations were obviously correct. As it clearly does not take much for them to engage in this sort of activity.

It is also rather hypocritical coming from you, who always talked about the importance of free speech and not shutting people down for saying things outside of acceptability. But suddenly you are turning around and saying that saying things outside of acceptability causes unacceptable things to actually happen? Sounds like you are completely justifying the very behavior you have always condemned.

[Razgovory]

I don't know, if you treat someone like a monster, they may in fact become a monster.