Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

The IHRA definition of antisemitism was developed by Jews and is the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union.

Yeah no. In the UK you can criticise Israel without going to court for anti semitism.

Okay.   Something I've seen you and most antizionists do is conflate criticism with Israel with advocation of the destruction of Israel.  That is not the same thing.  I can criticize you Josq, but if I say you should be killed or you have no right to live, then that sort of goes beyond criticism.  The IHRA has been adopted by the UK and the European Union.  That is simply a fact.  It is also a fact that support for Hamas is illegal in Britain.

[Josquius]

The IHRA definition of antisemitism was developed by Jews and is the definition of antisemitism in such authoritarian countries as... Britain, Canada and the European Union.

Yeah no. In the UK you can criticise Israel without going to court for anti semitism.

Okay.   Something I've seen you and most antizionists do is conflate criticism with Israel with advocation of the destruction of Israel.  That is not the same thing.  I can criticize you Josq, but if I say you should be killed or you have no right to live, then that sort of goes beyond criticism.  The IHRA has been adopted by the UK and the European Union.  That is simply a fact.  It is also a fact that support for Hamas is illegal in Britain.

Holy projection batman.

[Razgovory]

I am not understanding you here at all.  The ProPal movement routinely defends calls for the destruction of Israel as "criticism".  I know you have a very hard time seeing antisemitism, but it is true. Here is a map of countries that adopted IHRA definition of antisemitism.





Here is the definition:

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

This is the definition in the UK in 2016 and specifically adopted by the Labor party.  As you can see criticism of Israel is not on there, but comparing it to Nazi Germany and saying Jews have no right to Self-Determination i.e Israel should not exist, are on there.  When people say that they are not being allowed to criticize Israel, this is what they mean.  I think you can compare to Israel to countries and political movements that have done terrible things without invoking Nazi Germany.  For instance instead of saying Israel is like Nazi Germany you could say: Americans/Democrats/Republican/British/Labor/Conservatives/Liberals/Communists/Socialists/Russians/Chinese/French/Nigerians/Iraqis etc.  Admittedly saying that Israel is terrible because it is no better than the surrounding Arab States is not the greatest rallying cry for Palestine, though it is more accurate.

[Josquius]

You're ranting about god knows what again.
The fact is you consistently try to brand any criticism of Israeli actions as anti semitism. It's tiresome.
There is a move from your compatriots to enshrine this in law.

[Razgovory]

You're ranting about god knows what again.
The fact is you consistently try to brand any criticism of Israeli actions as anti semitism. It's tiresome.
There is a move from your compatriots to enshrine this in law.

Dude, you have made this accusation for years now and it is not true.  I have consistently said that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are bad.  Can you not understand the words that I type?

What part of the last post can you not understand?  It's clear you don't understand.  Which part is giving you trouble.  Break it down for me.

[viper37]

Oscar-winning Palestinian director attacked by Israeli settlers and arrested

Israel does not like criticism at all.  One point in common with Raz.

[Razgovory]

Gotta say, no matter how much I dislike the ProPal movement, I can't get behind Trump's attempt to deport protestors.  They have a right to be assholes in this country.

[DGuller]

Gotta say, no matter how much I dislike the ProPal movement, I can't get behind Trump's attempt to deport protestors.  They have a right to be assholes in this country.

Agreed.  I found ADL position to be utterly disgraceful.

[The Minsky Moment]

The ADL makes excuses for Nazis now.  It's a disgrace and an embarrassment. It's just an American based shill for Likud at this point.

[viper37]

CBS Evening News Israeli soldier tells CBS News he was ordered to use Palestinians as human shields in Gaza

"We talked to our commander, and we asked him to stop doing it," Tommy said, but they were ordered to continue. He told CBS News it was policy.

Reminds me of some other war.  Can't point it though.