Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

Another great piece from Marina Hyde, go and read it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/markets-kwasi-kwarteng-chancellor

The chancellor has spent his life praising the virtues of free markets. It's just a shame they don't feel the same way about him


Today we consider the plight of chancer chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng with the same sensitivity and grace he brings to his own work: none. It really takes a special class of no-matery to spend £45bn (in old money) and have even rich people you helped actively deplore or pity you. And not just them, but markets too. Imagine spending your entire career extolling the value of free markets, but the first time the free markets get to seriously value you results in a bond market meltdown, the pound hurtling towards dollar and euro parity, and a bleaker prospect for your country than the one opened on Black Wednesday. At time of typing, 10 banks have pulled their mortgage products amid warnings interest rates could hit 6%. The chancellor appears to have bought a pamphlet to a gunfight.

[Tamas]

A Labour MP has had the party whip suspended after she was accused of making a "racist" comment by claiming that the chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, was "superficially" black.

Rupa Huq, a former shadow Home Office minister, was recorded at an event held on Monday during a fringe event as part of Labour's annual conference in Liverpool hosted by British Future and the Black Equity Organisation and also attended by the party's chair, Anneliese Dodds.

Huq can be heard on a short recording obtained by the Guido Fawkes website saying: "I'm sorry if I was not making myself understood clearly. He superficially is a black man."

She said Kwarteng went to "the top schools in the country" and added: "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he's black."

This is such a very leftist way to be racist.

"He is educated, has money, and do not have a lower class accent. He clearly is not properly black".

Wow.

[HVC]

Guido Fawkes Is the most fake sounding made up name I ever heard


Edit nvm, it's a website, not a name I  guess

[Tamas]

Guido Fawkes Is the most fake sounding made up name I ever heard


Edit nvm, it's a website, not a name I  guess

Here's the article: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/27/rupa-huq-has-labour-whip-suspended-after-kwarteng-comments

[Gups]

I think another lesson is that you shouldn't let rank and file members choose the parliamentary leader of a party, they invariably choose wankers.

How many of the last UK PMs were chosen by the Tory membership rather than in a general election?

The last three 

In fairness Tory members didn't get the chance to vote on May after Leadsom imploded and both May and BJ called elections within a year of being chosen.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Very true, thanks, I'd forgotten that.

[Josquius]

A Labour MP has had the party whip suspended after she was accused of making a "racist" comment by claiming that the chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, was "superficially" black.

Rupa Huq, a former shadow Home Office minister, was recorded at an event held on Monday during a fringe event as part of Labour's annual conference in Liverpool hosted by British Future and the Black Equity Organisation and also attended by the party's chair, Anneliese Dodds.

Huq can be heard on a short recording obtained by the Guido Fawkes website saying: "I'm sorry if I was not making myself understood clearly. He superficially is a black man."

She said Kwarteng went to "the top schools in the country" and added: "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he's black."

This is such a very leftist way to be racist.

"He is educated, has money, and do not have a lower class accent. He clearly is not properly black".

Wow.

I can see the point. Horribly put but it's certainly valid to highlight for those saying regular working class black people just vote tory because they have such a highly ranked black guy where Labour doesn't.
Should have thought about how she was saying it though. Can't think of a worse way to put it than she did.

[Gups]

A Labour MP has had the party whip suspended after she was accused of making a "racist" comment by claiming that the chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, was "superficially" black.

Rupa Huq, a former shadow Home Office minister, was recorded at an event held on Monday during a fringe event as part of Labour's annual conference in Liverpool hosted by British Future and the Black Equity Organisation and also attended by the party's chair, Anneliese Dodds.

Huq can be heard on a short recording obtained by the Guido Fawkes website saying: "I'm sorry if I was not making myself understood clearly. He superficially is a black man."

She said Kwarteng went to "the top schools in the country" and added: "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he's black."

This is such a very leftist way to be racist.

"He is educated, has money, and do not have a lower class accent. He clearly is not properly black".

Wow.

I can see the point. Horribly put but it's certainly valid to highlight for those saying regular working class black people just vote tory because they have such a highly ranked black guy where Labour doesn't.
Should have thought about how she was saying it though. Can't think of a worse way to put it than she did.

But that's not what she was saying. She was effectively saying you aren't black if you went to public school and speak with a posh voice. That's astonishingly reductive.

[Josquius]

But that's not what she was saying. She was effectively saying you aren't black if you went to public school and speak with a posh voice. That's astonishingly reductive.

I disagree. I do think thats what she's saying. Seeing "Black" not just as having dark skin but the whole socio-economic thing of being "black".
Which yes, pretty reductive considering theres quite a Caribbean/African split amongst the black population.

[Tamas]

But that's not what she was saying. She was effectively saying you aren't black if you went to public school and speak with a posh voice. That's astonishingly reductive.

I disagree. I do think thats what she's saying. Seeing "Black" not just as having dark skin but the whole socio-economic thing of being "black".
Which yes, pretty reductive considering theres quite a Caribbean/African split amongst the black population.

Ok so which one is not supposed to be going to public shool, Caribbeans or Africans?

You don't have to try to defend it just because its a Labour MP. She said being black means more than skin colour it means societal status. And that is incredibly racist.

[Josquius]

But that's not what she was saying. She was effectively saying you aren't black if you went to public school and speak with a posh voice. That's astonishingly reductive.

I disagree. I do think thats what she's saying. Seeing "Black" not just as having dark skin but the whole socio-economic thing of being "black".
Which yes, pretty reductive considering theres quite a Caribbean/African split amongst the black population.

Ok so which one is not supposed to be going to public shool, Caribbeans or Africans?

You don't have to try to defend it just because its a Labour MP. She said being black means more than skin colour it means societal status. And that is incredibly racist.

Both.
I'm not defending it. I just said I can see how she landed on saying something dumb.

[garbon]

But that's not what she was saying. She was effectively saying you aren't black if you went to public school and speak with a posh voice. That's astonishingly reductive.

I disagree. I do think thats what she's saying. Seeing "Black" not just as having dark skin but the whole socio-economic thing of being "black".
Which yes, pretty reductive considering theres quite a Caribbean/African split amongst the black population.

Ok so which one is not supposed to be going to public shool, Caribbeans or Africans?

You don't have to try to defend it just because its a Labour MP. She said being black means more than skin colour it means societal status. And that is incredibly racist.

And yet not nothing new at all. There are plenty of discussions/hateful commentary in the black community on what it means to be black enough.

[mongers]

Maybe time for a new metric, Chancellor foot-days?

Simply the height of the chancellor in feet divided by the number of days in office; I think he'll win it by a country mile, so to speak. :-)

[Tamas]

The Bank of England has announced they'll buy a metric F-ton of government bonds to control the yield on them.

And in relation to how much the market turmoil is linked to the Truss government or not: this news just turned around a pre-market free fall on the American stock markets.

[The Larch]

Read on Twitter that even the IMF has come out against the UK's tax cut plan. Has that been reported over there?