Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Gups]

I saw that - screenshot of his entry in register of MP's interest from 11 years ago. Weak sauce.

[Josquius]

Headline in the url says it all.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/22641482.letters-no-confidence-liz-truss-already-put-in-says-tory-mp/

[Josquius]

And in other happy news.

https://labourlist.org/2022/09/conference-passes-motion-urging-labour-to-introduce-pr-for-general-elections/

Labour conference motion to switch to PR passes.
Really hope this goes somewhere. Its massive. Promising to turn the UK into a democracy is a very good thing.
Hopefully in an election will do more to turn lib dems tactical than to scare away small c conservatives

[The Larch]

Headline in the url says it all.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/22641482.letters-no-confidence-liz-truss-already-put-in-says-tory-mp/

Heard this today from another place, saying that this could mean that Truss' time as PM is on track to be the UK's shortest ever. Surely it'd also be a new record for Tory infighting, right?

[Tamas]

And in other happy news.

https://labourlist.org/2022/09/conference-passes-motion-urging-labour-to-introduce-pr-for-general-elections/

Labour conference motion to switch to PR passes.
Really hope this goes somewhere. Its massive. Promising to turn the UK into a democracy is a very good thing.
Hopefully in an election will do more to turn lib dems tactical than to scare away small c conservatives

Indeed. I understand how the moment you become the biggest party then you want to keep FPTP but this would be a nice clear radical message of how voting Labour would change things for the better with one fell swoop (whether it would is a separate academic debate, and beside the point, it would make things more democratic at least).

[Josquius]

Headline in the url says it all.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/22641482.letters-no-confidence-liz-truss-already-put-in-says-tory-mp/

Heard this today from another place, saying that this could mean that Truss' time as PM is on track to be the UK's shortest ever. Surely it'd also be a new record for Tory infighting, right?

Yes.
Though also seen... By a small margin but bookies favourite for next pm is Johnson

[Syt]

So how long can this go till the Tories split into separate factions?

[Tamas]

So how long can this go till the Tories split into separate factions?

Thanks to first-past-the-post, forever.

[The Larch]

Headline in the url says it all.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/22641482.letters-no-confidence-liz-truss-already-put-in-says-tory-mp/

Heard this today from another place, saying that this could mean that Truss' time as PM is on track to be the UK's shortest ever. Surely it'd also be a new record for Tory infighting, right?

Yes.
Though also seen... By a small margin but bookies favourite for next pm is Johnson

But it'd be yet another internal Tory election, right? Sunak doesn't feel like running again?

[Richard Hakluyt]

UK has a higher yield rate on 5-year bonds than Greece...take that remoaners   

[Tamas]

Headline in the url says it all.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/22641482.letters-no-confidence-liz-truss-already-put-in-says-tory-mp/

Heard this today from another place, saying that this could mean that Truss' time as PM is on track to be the UK's shortest ever. Surely it'd also be a new record for Tory infighting, right?

Yes.
Though also seen... By a small margin but bookies favourite for next pm is Johnson

But it'd be yet another internal Tory election, right? Sunak doesn't feel like running again?

I honestly have no idea what remains on the bottom of the barrel after Truss. Sure Sunak could run again but what would be the optics of that?

I started to type how it is just quite incredible how much Brexit ruined us since in a lot of ways these are still political ripples from it. Which is true but also not entirely correct - a Remain victory in the referendum would still have resulted in a Tory party tearing itself apart and a Corbyn-led Labour would have never won an election. Rather, this crisis is hard-coded in the election system and the unshed cultural thinking of empire (exceptionalism mostly).

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think another lesson is that you shouldn't let rank and file members choose the parliamentary leader of a party, they invariably choose wankers.

[The Larch]

I think another lesson is that you shouldn't let rank and file members choose the parliamentary leader of a party, they invariably choose wankers.

How many of the last UK PMs were chosen by the Tory membership rather than in a general election?

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think another lesson is that you shouldn't let rank and file members choose the parliamentary leader of a party, they invariably choose wankers.

How many of the last UK PMs were chosen by the Tory membership rather than in a general election?

The last three 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Perhaps more importantly Truss is not the choice of the parliamentary conservative party, ie the ones with the actual power...it is a recipe for chaos.