Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Zanza]

The artillery ammunition is standardized, so they will also be able to use it with the Dutch PzH 2000 they will get.

[Barrister]

I'm mostly worried the Ukrainians won't have enough basics like small arms, ammo and artillery munitions. 20 artillery platforms firing continuously for hours eats an insane amount of munitions.

USA is apparently providing 144k rounds of artillery. How long is it expected to last?

I read somewhere that the amount of arty ammo the US is sending should actually last longer than the lifespan of the artillery barrels, which don't last forever.

Actually,  what wears out is the replaceable barrel liners. They typically need replacement after 200 to 250 rounds. That,  as your source indicated, is less than the number of shells being sent.

I stand corrected.

[DGuller]

I read somewhere that the amount of arty ammo the US is sending should actually last longer than the lifespan of the artillery barrels, which don't last forever.

What do you after?  Do you just toss the entire vehicle in the garbage after the barrel wears out?

[Sheilbh]

The artillery ammunition is standardized, so they will also be able to use it with the Dutch PzH 2000 they will get.

And presumably the French Caesar(?) too. I think there was a particular size (I want to say 155mm) that Zelensky asked for and that makes sense if they're getting multiple different systems that use that from different partners.

[grumbler]

What do you after?  Do you just toss the entire vehicle in the garbage after the barrel wears out?

The liners are replaceable (that's the interior portion of the barrel with the rifling, and the rifling is what wears out).

[grumbler]

The artillery ammunition is standardized, so they will also be able to use it with the Dutch PzH 2000 they will get.

And presumably the French Caesar(?) too. I think there was a particular size (I want to say 155mm) that Zelensky asked for and that makes sense if they're getting multiple different systems that use that from different partners.

Zelensky was asking for 152mm ammo (the Soviet standard) as well as 155s and their ammo.  Only the former WP countries are going to have 152 stuff.

[Grey Fox]

IIRC, France has ~72 C.a.e.s.a.r. and they are sending 10% of them. Not much but maybe they have something different than the US Howitzer.

[grumbler]

IIRC, France has ~72 C.a.e.s.a.r. and they are sending 10% of them. Not much but maybe they have something different than the US Howitzer.

They are self-propelled, while the US howitzers are towed.

[The Minsky Moment]

The French couldn't figure out an acronym to go with Vercingetorix?

[Legbiter]

They look more than capable of giving the Russians chapter and verse.

[Jacob]

Way back when Gaijin du Moscu was trying to convince us that there'd be no war, I was inclined to be persuaded because it would be fool-hardy for Putin to invade. Wouldn't the West pour money and materiel into Ukraine to bleed Putin's army and treasure dry? It'd be too big a risk, I figured.

I'm pleased to see my expectations being met, even if I was mistaken about Putin's decision making.

[Legbiter]

Russian embassy here finally starting to bitch about our logistics companies supplying arms to Ukraine. They previously demanded an official apology after the leader of a local party called Putin a monkey and expressed a wish Russians would get rid of him. Said we are prolonging the suffering of Ukraine by helping to supply them.

[Duque de Bragança]

The French couldn't figure out an acronym to go with Vercingetorix?

For the export market I bet.

CAmion Équipé d'un Système d'ARtillerie has the merit of being short.

VÉhicule Réutilisable à Canon INtégré à GÉnérateur de TOnnerre à Rythme Intensif Xi

(Greek reference instead of Roman).
Probably too many datives.  Bordering exquisite corpse territory.

[Legbiter]

Way back when Gaijin du Moscu was trying to convince us that there'd be no war, I was inclined to be persuaded because it would be fool-hardy for Putin to invade. Wouldn't the West pour money and materiel into Ukraine to bleed Putin's army and treasure dry? It'd be too big a risk, I figured.

It's in some ways worse that Putin is a strategic moron. He does completely crazy things, gets his teeth kicked in but then doubles down to the last vatnik conscript. He might resort to desperate measures because he is inept.

[Jacob]

Inept and in poor health, it seems.