Hey, what sort of things should one see in Montreal?
Me, you asshole :glare:
:lol:
I haven't been to Montreal for ages, so I can't give you any useful advice, but I definitely think you and Zoupa should go somewhere to drink Champagne.
The old waterfront is mildly touristy.
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Stockholm still wins though.
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2011, 03:45:08 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Stockholm still wins though.
In the sense you may have the opportunity to physically encounter Johan and tell him he should be ashamed of himself.
Why, are there a lot of people here in Stockholm? I know there are like three Swedes.
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Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Stockholm still wins though.
In the sense you may have the opportunity to physically encounter Johan and tell him he should be ashamed of himself.
Why, are there a lot of people here in Stockholm? I know there are like three Swedes.
If you include how much you like the posters Stockholm wins because of me. :)
Strip Clubs, the Habs, Zoupa, Giant crumbling infracstructure, traffic jams, Old Port.
When you coming?
I recall having a good time on St Catherine Street (?). The poutine in Montreal was also really good.
Strip clubs and record shops.
Quote from: Jacob on October 13, 2011, 12:59:58 AM
I haven't been to Montreal for ages, so I can't give you any useful advice, but I definitely think you and Zoupa should go somewhere to drink Champagne.
:lol:
Grallon too.
I like Montreal. Good food.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
Strip Clubs, the Habs, Zoupa, Giant crumbling infracstructure, traffic jams, Old Port.
When you coming?
Around the first weekend in November. I've run out of relatively near cities that I haven't visited. Last time I was in Montreal, I was 3. :D
DC
Boston
Providence
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Toronto
edit: what a sad list, my close cities used to include:
Napa
Sacramento
San Jose
Oakland
Los Angeles
San Diego
Palm Springs
Santa Barbara
Monterrey
Santa Barbara
:weep:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2011, 11:53:16 AM
QuoteCleveland
yuk
Right, real bottom of the barrel stuff - which is why I'm saying I'm pretty much tapped out on nearish cities. :D (with Montreal being a lot closer than I had thought)
How are you coming? I hear the train ride is really nice. Very scenic.
How's driving in Quebec?
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 01:22:53 PM
How's driving in Quebec?
Like in New York but the roads are worse. Don't expect courtesy. Pedestrians will cross at any point of a road. Watchout for the Mooses, they hurt.
I don't recommend you come by car. It takes forever and a half, parking is hard as hell to find in Montreal and also expensive. I would greyhound it or train.
I would suggest land cannon.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
:hug:
I think Grallon and I are the only ones in Montreal though. :banned:
Actually my colleague who was raised in Montreal just recommended driving. She said it was a great drive and personally it looks much shorter than my SF=>Palm Springs trips. From what I can see - taking a bus or train would greatly lengthen my travel time.
Yes, it would lengthen it. Maybe I just hate driving, I dunno.
Oh whereas I'm the opposite - I love driving! :w00t:
QuoteI would greyhound it
I don't think Grabass is going to enjoy riding on the bus with the poors.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Not Edmonton? :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
QuoteI would greyhound it
I don't think Grabass is going to enjoy riding on the bus with the poors.
Shh!! I was trying to pretend that I'd entertain the notion of taking a bus. <_<
Quote from: Barrister on October 13, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Not Edmonton? :(
Two versus three, yes? :unsure: (Neil + Beeb vs. Zoupa, Grey Fox, and Grallon?)
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
QuoteI would greyhound it
I don't think Grabass is going to enjoy riding on the bus with the poors.
Shh!! I was trying to pretend that I'd entertain the notion of taking a bus. <_<
:lol: Dick. I'd rather read a book, sleep, listen to music, watch a movie instead of driving, which I why I suggested it.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 02:24:24 PM
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Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Me, you asshole :glare:
I think Montreal has the highest number of posters I like of any city. :)
Not Edmonton? :(
Two versus three, yes? :unsure: (Neil + Beeb vs. Zoupa, Grey Fox, and Grallon?)
GF doesn't live in Montreal though (though he lives in some burb). :contract:
Metropolitan area, then. :blurgh:
Don't forget Drakken.
I do work in Montreal, so I have to go on the damn island every day. :mad:
Quote from: Zoupa on October 13, 2011, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
QuoteI would greyhound it
I don't think Grabass is going to enjoy riding on the bus with the poors.
Shh!! I was trying to pretend that I'd entertain the notion of taking a bus. <_<
:lol: Dick. I'd rather read a book, sleep, listen to music, watch a movie instead of driving, which I why I suggested it.
:hug:
Of course, that is the one advantage of driving. I can blast my music - which I generally don't do in my tiny Manhattan existence so as not to be rude. :)
Looks like I'll be in Montreal from the morning of the 3rd through to the afternoon on that Sunday. I think I'll drive up to like Burlington on the night of the 2nd and then hit Montreal that following morning.
It's a boring city, there's nothing to do there. No hockey and no football for the week-end of the 3rd. ;)
Once you're at the hotel, try using the metro instead of your car. It's hell driving through Montreal.
I suppose you could try the clubs and the restaurants, there's got to be a couple of good ones in Montreal. I remember Bistro Le Porto, a Portuguese restaurant,the food was great. It's near Metro Baudry.
But there's like tons of decent restaurants in Montréal.
Try the club scene if you like that. There are quite a few good spots in Montreal for those who like dance/techno music. No decent metal/rock bar though.
This page might be of interest to you:
http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/blog/category/gay-life/
Le garde manger in Old Port. Chuck's Hughes restaurant. G. Ramsay also one but I forget the name.
I'm hoping to make a jaunt to Montreal for a few days in early December. :) Hopefully benefit from some off-season lodging rates. It will have to be by bus, since there is no direct rail link between Boston and Montreal, close as they are. You have to go through New York. :wacko:
Do any of you miss the time when you could go to Canada or Mexico without a passport? In Washington you can get a special driver's licence that replaces a passport at the Canadian border. Does New York have a similar program?
Grey Fox, do you live in Bedford?
Quote from: citizen k on October 13, 2011, 05:45:07 PM
Do any of you miss the time when you could go to Canada or Mexico without a passport? In Washington you can get a special driver's licence that replaces a passport at the Canadian border. Does New York have a similar program?
Yes, there is an enhanced ID that you can get. I keep my passport at home though, so not an issue for me.
Quote from: PRC on October 13, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
Grey Fox, do you live in Bedford?
:unsure: No.
But maybe Garbon does.
It just struck me how many Canadians there are. They probably make up 50% of the posts on Languish. :wacko:
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:42:21 PM
It's a boring city, there's nothing to do there. No hockey and no football for the week-end of the 3rd. ;)
Oh no, no sporting events for me to watch?! :P
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:42:21 PMOnce you're at the hotel, try using the metro instead of your car. It's hell driving through Montreal.
Oh definitely. Unless I'm in a Southwestern city, I try never to drive.
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:42:21 PMI suppose you could try the clubs and the restaurants, there's got to be a couple of good ones in Montreal. I remember Bistro Le Porto, a Portuguese restaurant,the food was great. It's near Metro Baudry.
But there's like tons of decent restaurants in Montréal.
Try the club scene if you like that. There are quite a few good spots in Montreal for those who like dance/techno music.
Cool.
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:42:21 PMNo decent metal/rock bar though.
Not an issue for me. :D
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:42:21 PM
This page might be of interest to you:
http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/blog/category/gay-life/
:lol: :hug:
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: PRC on October 13, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
Grey Fox, do you live in Bedford?
:unsure: No.
But maybe Garbon does.
:unsure:
There's a Bedford in the Greater NY. East of South Brooklyn, North of Brownsville.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: PRC on October 13, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
Grey Fox, do you live in Bedford?
:unsure: No.
But maybe Garbon does.
:unsure:
There's a Bedford in the Greater NY.
I live in Manhattan proper, bitch!
Want a cookie with your overpriced run down apartment?
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
It just struck me how many Canadians there are. They probably make up 50% of the posts on Languish. :wacko:
I'm not sure. About 40% of Languish's posts are made by the top 10 posters - of which two are Canadian. If I remove them, I see that the rest of the top 10 make up 30% of Languish's posts.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Want a cookie with your overpriced run down apartment?
Actually after my recent trip to SF, I pointed out to my boss that I now pay more for my apartment a month (only a couple hundre), which is smaller and I don't have my car near me. I left out how I also make slightly less at my current position in NYC. :D
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
:lol: :hug:
joking aside, the general section of the site seems to give good advice to travellers.
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
It just struck me how many Canadians there are. They probably make up 50% of the posts on Languish. :wacko:
I'm not sure. About 40% of Languish's posts are made by the top 10 posters - of which two are Canadian. If I remove them, I see that the rest of the top 10 make up 30% of Languish's posts.
Holy shit - when did I become the top ten?
Back in the day I was more like 25th...
Since every thread became about lawyering.
Border crossing has gotten fun since my last time in 2007. I thought I was never going to get across the border what with them examining all the contents of my car and grilling me about various receipts! Or maybe its just Quebec?
Quote from: Barrister on October 14, 2011, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
It just struck me how many Canadians there are. They probably make up 50% of the posts on Languish. :wacko:
I'm not sure. About 40% of Languish's posts are made by the top 10 posters - of which two are Canadian. If I remove them, I see that the rest of the top 10 make up 30% of Languish's posts.
Holy shit - when did I become the top ten?
Back in the day I was more like 25th...
Since you moved to Alberta and have, according to you, nothing to do. :D
Quote from: garbon on November 03, 2011, 01:17:32 PM
Border crossing has gotten fun since my last time in 2007. I thought I was never going to get across the border what with them examining all the contents of my car and grilling me about various receipts! Or maybe its just Quebec?
Yeah, crossing the US border has been getting continually more of a pain this last decade or so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's gotten worse on the Canadian side. I'd be curious to hear your experience in crossing back into the US, once it's time for that.
Quote from: Jacob on November 03, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
I'd be curious to hear your experience in crossing back into the US, once it's time for that.
it will be easier. It's not like he's gonna bring booze & cigarettes twice as epxensive back to the US.
Quote from: Jacob on November 03, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 03, 2011, 01:17:32 PM
Border crossing has gotten fun since my last time in 2007. I thought I was never going to get across the border what with them examining all the contents of my car and grilling me about various receipts! Or maybe its just Quebec?
Yeah, crossing the US border has been getting continually more of a pain this last decade or so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's gotten worse on the Canadian side. I'd be curious to hear your experience in crossing back into the US, once it's time for that.
Yeah that will be interesting to see. I wasn't expecting such a grilling going into Canada / they were actually quite hostile to just about everyone. A man was waiting outside with his dog while they were processing paperwork and he got yelled at that he needed to put his dog in the outside cage that was provided. :blink:
I did like when they asked if I was fleeing any trouble in America as I thought that if I was to flee to Canada - Quebec would probably not be the first place I'd go. :D
Quote from: viper37 on November 03, 2011, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 03, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
I'd be curious to hear your experience in crossing back into the US, once it's time for that.
it will be easier. It's not like he's gonna bring booze & cigarettes twice as epxensive back to the US.
Generally the US isn't very good for letting anyone in. Especially its own citizens.
Quote from: garbon on November 03, 2011, 05:26:59 PMGenerally the US isn't very good for letting anyone in. Especially its own citizens.
:lol:
PM sent -_-
:lol:
Well, have fun for this week-end :)
Hope you enjoy Quebec :)
Quote from: Barrister on October 14, 2011, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2011, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 13, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
It just struck me how many Canadians there are. They probably make up 50% of the posts on Languish. :wacko:
I'm not sure. About 40% of Languish's posts are made by the top 10 posters - of which two are Canadian. If I remove them, I see that the rest of the top 10 make up 30% of Languish's posts.
Holy shit - when did I become the top ten?
Back in the day I was more like 25th...
Does this mean crime rates are down? :p
Further sign of my decline - I accidentally ended up with a bleeding steak for dinner.* I thought at some point, like a reasonable person would, that I'd be too disgusted to eat it. However, I was instead intrigued and happily used the provided bread to sop up the now bloodied sauce. :weep:
*I think the waitress was annoyed at me and/or didn't care to listen to English. My request to have walnuts removed from my salad resulted in me receiving tomato soup and walnuts on my salad. :D
A Quebecois rude to an Anglophone foreigner? I think you're making this story up.
wtf? I've never seen so many passed out chicks on sidewalks then I did tonight.
Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink, huh?
Quote from: garbon on November 05, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
Further sign of my decline - I accidentally ended up with a bleeding steak for dinner.* I thought at some point, like a reasonable person would, that I'd be too disgusted to eat it. However, I was instead intrigued and happily used the provided bread to sop up the now bloodied sauce. :weep:
*I think the waitress was annoyed at me and/or didn't care to listen to English. My request to have walnuts removed from my salad resulted in me receiving tomato soup and walnuts on my salad. :D
Sounds like Entrecote Saint-Jean.
Montreal was a much more pleasant place when the Frenchies knew their place.
Quote from: Zoupa on November 06, 2011, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 05, 2011, 08:29:05 PM
Further sign of my decline - I accidentally ended up with a bleeding steak for dinner.* I thought at some point, like a reasonable person would, that I'd be too disgusted to eat it. However, I was instead intrigued and happily used the provided bread to sop up the now bloodied sauce. :weep:
*I think the waitress was annoyed at me and/or didn't care to listen to English. My request to have walnuts removed from my salad resulted in me receiving tomato soup and walnuts on my salad. :D
Sounds like Entrecote Saint-Jean.
As it was. :D
It explains much. I do not have a high opinion of Entrecôte Saint-Jean.
The couple next to me pointed out something apt. It's like "fancier" fast food.
Oh I forgot, getting back into the US was trivially easy (especially in comparison to my entrance to Quebec). However, I did notice that both Quebecois cars that were in my line got sent to secondary inspection and one in the other lane was inspected at the security booth.
I didn't find roads up to and into Montreal that bad although some of those bridges were a bit terrifying. I went on one that was all metal and feared what would happen on said bridge in winter.
Bad fucking shit. Champlain is falling apart.
Just looked. Victoria was the one that I drove on when leaving the city. Rough!
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
Just looked. Victoria was the one that I drove on when leaving the city. Rough!
Then nothing happens. Victoria is holding up quite well apparently.
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
Oh I forgot, getting back into the US was trivially easy (especially in comparison to my entrance to Quebec).
Now, what did I tell you? ;)
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
Just looked. Victoria was the one that I drove on when leaving the city. Rough!
The oldest one, but probably the only one who doesn't risk falling down wihtin the next few years. Of course, there's no heavy traffic on this one. And no more and Champlain and no more on Mercier... Soon, they'll make them pedestrians only, if only to persuade citizens not to drive in the city.
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2011, 02:51:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
Oh I forgot, getting back into the US was trivially easy (especially in comparison to my entrance to Quebec).
Now, what did I tell you? ;)
I guess America isn't as defensive as Quebec. :D
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
I guess America isn't as defensive as Quebec. :D
there is no country called "Quebec". There is a country named Canada though, and it just so happens that it is this country wich controls the border crossing. Blame Barrister&Neil, not us :P
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
I guess America isn't as defensive as Quebec. :D
there is no country called "Quebec". There is a country named Canada though, and it just so happens that it is this country wich controls the border crossing. Blame Barrister&Neil, not us :P
I wonder about that though. I mean it was 4 years ago but I didn't have any problems getting into BC.
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 08, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
I guess America isn't as defensive as Quebec. :D
there is no country called "Quebec". There is a country named Canada though, and it just so happens that it is this country wich controls the border crossing. Blame Barrister&Neil, not us :P
I wonder about that though. I mean it was 4 years ago but I didn't have any problems getting into BC.
It completely depends on which point of entry you are using for what kind of response you'll get.
While in Montreal did you happen to take a bat to any lawyers? Cause apparently like 3 defense lawyers in the last little while have been beaten pretty badly. Hells Angels Lawyers, if it makes it any clearer why they're being beat down.
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
While in Montreal did you happen to take a bat to any lawyers? Cause apparently like 3 defense lawyers in the last little while have been been pretty badly. Hells Angels Lawyers, if it makes it any clearer why they're being beat down.
Apparently quite a few very good and prominent defence lawyers absolutely refuse to do any work for the HAs...
What i don't get is who's beating the lawyers. is the it HA's as a way to get stays (which they just got when the last one was beat), or is it the other gangs, in which case the HA's mus thave lost a lot of cred recently if people aren't afraid of going after their lawyers.
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
What i don't get is who's beating the lawyers. is the it HA's as a way to get stays (which they just got when the last one was beat), or is it the other gangs, in which case the HA's mus thave lost a lot of cred recently if people aren't afraid of going after their lawyers.
It's the HAs themselves. From what I gather the lawyers get sucked into their world, then if they start to refuse to do certain things they put themselves at risk from their own clients.
That seems counterproductive.
Counterproductive for the HAs, or the lawyer involved?
For the Biker gang. I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years. Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field. Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea. In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm. Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel. Maybe they don't understand how the courts work. Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.
Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?
Ahhh, Mom Boucher and the war against the Rock Machine. Good viewing on the teevee.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?
Yes. It's the same rules.
No Color, no Women, no Police/Prison guard hopefulls, have a Driver's License & a working motorcycle.
For some reason, Child Molester are also verboten.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 08, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
Ahhh, Mom Boucher and the war against the Rock Machine. Good viewing on the teevee.
The crazy part is that now most of the Rock Machines are members of the Hells A.
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
While in Montreal did you happen to take a bat to any lawyers? Cause apparently like 3 defense lawyers in the last little while have been beaten pretty badly. Hells Angels Lawyers, if it makes it any clearer why they're being beat down.
I figured it was Neil visiting Montreal without telling anyone.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?
Only to become full patch. And they have one black dude among their members.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
For the Biker gang. I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years. Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field. Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea. In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm. Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel. Maybe they don't understand how the courts work. Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.
Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access. Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.
Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs. And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
That seems counterproductive.
they may have been in dept over gambling. It certainly fits the moto of such incidents. You don't want to kill the guy, but you do want to send a message.
It's thanks to that particular lawyer that the judge in the SharQC megatrial was forced to recuse himself, and thanks to his hard work the whole trial floundered under its own weight. If anything, the HAs should have given him a million bucks and limitless access to coke and poon to reward him.
The guy ain't a consigliere or a biker-wannabee. He is widely reputed to be a very respected and straight laywer.
I don't believe it is the HAs who's done it. Obviously the lawyer was taking his job seriously and was very, very good at it. The prosecution ain't over yet, and he'll be needed in the next trial. The HAs have nothing to gain from sending a message that would lead to other competent defense counsels refusing to defend them in the future. Besides, the HAs in Quebec right now are in the same spot than the Italian mafia : Decapitated, white-collared, living in the shadows with most of its top and middle-ranked membership in jail for a long time or on the run. They don't need the additional publicity.
My take is on a competing gang, a vigilante, a disgrunted client that blames him for going to prison, or a shylock/pusher that is too dumb to live.
Quote from: viper37 on November 09, 2011, 10:12:36 AM
they may have been in dept over gambling. It certainly fits the moto of such incidents. You don't want to kill the guy, but you do want to send a message.
He was repeatedly bashed on the skull with a baseball bat. It's overkill for a gambling debt, the risk of death's far too great.
Quote from: Barrister on November 09, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
For the Biker gang. I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years. Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field. Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea. In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm. Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel. Maybe they don't understand how the courts work. Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.
Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access. Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.
Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs. And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.
If you say so. I'm still sticking by my opinion that HA's (and other biker gangs) are worthless scum.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 10, 2011, 10:15:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 09, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
For the Biker gang. I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years. Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field. Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea. In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm. Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel. Maybe they don't understand how the courts work. Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.
Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access. Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.
Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs. And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.
If you say so. I'm still sticking by my opinion that HA's (and other biker gangs) are worthless scum.
They might be worthless scums, but they're smart enough to know when
not to bash repeatedly a defense counsel on the head enough to threaten to render his mental and physical abilities incapacitated or outright kill him, especially when the guy's competent, rendered very good services to your gang, and he's still willing to work for you.
Sure about that?
Quote from: Drakken on November 10, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 09, 2011, 10:12:36 AM
they may have been in dept over gambling. It certainly fits the moto of such incidents. You don't want to kill the guy, but you do want to send a message.
He was repeatedly bashed on the skull with a baseball bat. It's overkill for a gambling debt, the risk of death's far too great.
didn't know that. Well, it does change things.
I'm ruling out the disgruntled client, because he's apparently not the only one. My Neil theory is still up in the air.
From La Presse:
QuotePar ailleurs, une source qui connaît très bien certains acteurs du dossier Sharqc a affirmé qu'elle ne croyait pas que les Hells puissent avoir commandé une telle attaque. Cette personne croit toutefois que des gens en liberté ont pu vouloir faire plaisir aux motards ou prendre l'initiative de régler des problèmes à leur place, sans les consulter. En prison, des motards se seraient montrés surpris de l'incident de ce samedi.
Translation : According to a "source", it might be wannabees, acolytes, or prospects wanting to please the HAs and take the initiative to "resolve" problems without consulting their bosses first, because they are just too dumb to live. Or, it could be also a PR stunt to cover their biker asses for a screw-up and blaming blank, plain dumb acolytes.
Since whole HA Chapters still meet in prison (they have whole sections of prison wings allocated to them in isolation from the rest of the population), that the defense is very, very tightly organized and controlled from the HA hierarchy, and that Me Côté was working day and night for his clients in the SharQC case, I doubt it was ordered by the HAs. There is no need for a stay as the new trial is still in preparation.
So many edits.
Quote from: Drakken on November 10, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
From La Presse:
QuotePar ailleurs, une source qui connaît très bien certains acteurs du dossier Sharqc a affirmé qu'elle ne croyait pas que les Hells puissent avoir commandé une telle attaque. Cette personne croit toutefois que des gens en liberté ont pu vouloir faire plaisir aux motards ou prendre l'initiative de régler des problèmes à leur place, sans les consulter. En prison, des motards se seraient montrés surpris de l'incident de ce samedi.
Translation : According to a "source", it might be wannabees, acolytes, or prospects wanting to please the HAs and take the initiative to "resolve" problems without consulting their bosses first, because they are just too dumb to live. Or, it could be also a PR stunt to cover their biker asses for a screw-up and blaming blank, plain dumb acolytes.
Since whole HA Chapters still meet in prison (they have whole sections of prison wings allocated to them in isolation from the rest of the population), that the defense is very, very tightly organized and controlled from the HA hierarchy, and that Me Côté was working day and night for his clients in the SharQC case, I doubt it was ordered by the HAs. There is no need for a stay as the new trial is still in preparation.
Could be. Might Be. We aren't talking about idle facts, this is cold hard speculation.
So I'm thinking I'm going to visit Montreal again for a long weekend - however, I'm wondering if I should toss in Quebec City as well.
Something like:
Thursday - in evening drive from NYC to Plattsburgh (or there abouts).
Friday - get up early and drive up into Quebec City. Spend the night there.
Saturday - hang out in Quebec City for the day then drive to Montreal in eve. Spend night in Montreal
Sunday - hang out in Montreal, spend night in Montreal
Monday - morningish drive to NYC
Does that seem sensible or too much to fit into a long weekend? Would it be worth it to tack on that extra travel time to check out Quebec City for an evening and a day? Thought about it last time but thought it was too much - though this time I wouldn't need to be as touristy in Montreal as I just did that last year.
It's a lot of driving on boring roads.
I'd leave QC city on Sunday morning if you end up arriving after 3pm on Friday.
When are you thinking of doing this? It's going to get cold soon, especially Quebec city.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 14, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
I'd leave QC city on Sunday morning if you end up arriving after 3pm on Friday.
Yeah I was starting to think that since I've done Montreal a bit that maybe it would make sense to shift more of the time to Quebec. I just want to keep some sort of balance so that I don't end up driving 9+ hours from Quebec back to NYC. -_-
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 14, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
When are you thinking of doing this? It's going to get cold soon, especially Quebec city.
Early October. I was waiting till I got my new passport to make sure I didn't book hotels that I couldn't stay in. :(
Have you thought about taking a train? The route takes forever but is quite scenic apparently.
Action de Grace weekend?
It's around four hours drive from Plattsburgh to Quebec City and it's a three hour drive from Quebec City to Montreal. Plattsburgh to Montreal is about an hour. That means you will be driving for about six extra hours to visit Quebec City - given that New York-Montreal is about six hours each way, that means for a long weekend trip you will be spending 18 hours in the car.
It can be done but it's a bit much driving for my taste.
That said, everyone loves Quebec City - it's a great tourist destination.
Zoups mentioned that last year but the extra time is what through that out for me.
And yes, it does appear to be that weekend.
Quebec City should be done at least once in your lifetime.
I went to Quebec City once. I was 3 years old. :D
So it is definite and umm...Zoups if you don't wanna ditch me this time, I'll be around. :D
And holla at you too, Grallon. :P
Montreal?!?
Ewww
Quote from: katmai on September 15, 2012, 09:55:09 PM
Montreal?!?
Ewww
I mean they speak French but that's not insurmountable.
Quote from: garbon on September 15, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
So it is definite and umm...Zoups if you don't wanna ditch me this time, I'll be around. :D
And holla at you too, Grallon. :P
Hmmm
We could have dinner.
G.
Huh I didn't ditch, oh queerest. I suggested a meet and you were all "haha yeah right!". :glare:
When are you coming?
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Fukyu+sushi+C%C3%B4te+Neiges+forced+change+inappropriate+name/7239040/story.html
QuoteFukyu sushi bar in Côte des Neiges forced to change 'inappropriate' name
MONTREAL - A Montreal restaurant has been ordered to put up a new sign, after the name "Fukyu Bar à Sushi" was said to be in bad taste by a Quebec Superiour Court judge.
Named after a type of kata practised in Japanese martial arts, "Fukyu" may have been a hit with certain diners who snickered and took pictures of the sign outside the recently-opened Côte des Neiges restaurant.
It was less amusing to the judge, who sided with the Jean Talon St. restaurant's landlord and neighbouring tenants.
"As it is, the word is clearly inappropriate given its meaning when pronounced in a Montreal context," wrote Judge Kirkland Casgrain in his Aug. 23 decision which gave restaurant part-owner John De Melo 24 hours to cover up the word "Fukyu."
It's an unusual case in commercial real estate, where disputes erupt between tenants over bad smells or loud noises, but rarely over signage, said lawyer David Ghavitian who represented the restaurant's landlord L.G. Plaza Inc. While edgy branding has creeped into retailing, like the company French Connection (FCUK), a play on the F-word doesn't go over as well in real estate, where the ability to attract and keep tenants is key to a property's value.
"It's not so much for the tenants who are there, but it's for the next tenants where there is a vacancy," said Bernie Marcotte, senior managing director of Cushman & Wakefield Ltd. Montreal.
"If you're an accounting firm, you might not want to be associated with that."
Most commercial real estate leases not only have special clauses that oblige tenants to get their landlord's permission before putting up a sign, but detailed guidelines as to what type of signage is appropriate, Marcotte said. The lease signed between De Melo and L.G.'s representative Sam Rosenberg included such a clause to "prevent situations like this," Ghavitian said.
"As far as the signage, we have to be sure that it didn't offend anybody because it would diminish the value of the property."
In an interview, De Melo said he and his two partners chose the name "Fukyu" because of its Japanese origin and because he thought it would make the restaurant stand out in a city with countless sushi bars. It worked.
"We picked the name because it's a Japanese sushi restaurant and of course, because it would turn heads," De Melo said. "The word itself makes you take a second look. It was never intended to offend anyone."
But in late July, the landlord began receiving complaints about the name from other tenants in the building, along with other companies that considered moving in, court documents filed by Ghavitian say.
The owner of one long-standing company in the building, which has a business selling urns, said in a letter that while he found the name to be "highly amusing" on a personal level, it caused him professional problems given the sombre nature of his work.
"As we are in the funeral business, I am not so sure that giving directions to clients who have recently lost a loved one by telling them that we are 'two doors down from Fukyu' will go down very well with them."
Following the court decision, the two sides have managed to come to an agreement. De Melo and his two partners have since ordered a new sign for the restaurant and have come up with a new name — Kabuki Bar à Sushi, named after the traditional Japanese theatre.
"It's very fitting," De Melo said. "Because this story was quite a drama."
Quote from: Zoupa on September 15, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
Huh I didn't ditch, oh queerest. I suggested a meet and you were all "haha yeah right!". :glare:
When are you coming?
We must have got our wires crossed then as last I recall you were like wanna meetup at a bar and watch a hockey game and I was like yeah, just tell me when. :)
Still need to finalize it but that first weekend October. In Montreal starting either Sat eve or Sunday. I feel no compelling need to be with family for Columbus day. :D
@G - I can do dinner either that Friday or Sat.
Quote from: Malthus on September 14, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
It's around four hours drive from Plattsburgh to Quebec City and it's a three hour drive from Quebec City to Montreal.
More like 2, 2½ between Montreal and Quebec city. You need to use highway #40, on the north shore of the St-Lawrence, less trafic, less cops, less heavy trucks and a tad shorter distance. It is more confusing around Trois-Rivières (halfway through) if you don't pay close attention to the signs. But it shouldn't be a problem for people used to Toronto or New York ;)
It's also less boring.
:bleeding: @ the 20.
Quote from: garbon on September 14, 2012, 01:31:20 PM
Thursday - in evening drive from NYC to Plattsburgh (or there abouts).
Friday - get up early and drive up into Quebec City. Spend the night there.
Saturday - hang out in Quebec City for the day then drive to Montreal in eve. Spend night in Montreal
Sunday - hang out in Montreal, spend night in Montreal
Monday - morningish drive to NYC
If I were you, I'd drive up to Montreal on Thursday, than go to Quebec city on Friday, leave saturday night.
Maybe I could arrange a quick dinner Friday night, in Quebec city, but I doubt I'll be able to on Saturday. Unless I manage to get my usual fall chores done for the week-end, I'll have work to do on the Saturday of this week-end.
I'll pick the restaurant depending on where you'll stay, to avoid any unncessary travels.
You could easily spend en entire day in Quebec city, just walking around the old town.
Quote from: Syt on September 16, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Fukyu+sushi+C%C3%B4te+Neiges+forced+change+inappropriate+name/7239040/story.html
Evil language police!
:P
Quote from: viper37 on September 17, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
If I were you, I'd drive up to Montreal on Thursday, than go to Quebec city on Friday, leave saturday night.
So the problem is that I won't be off work till 5, so best case scenario, I'm not looking at getting to border till midnight and then Montreal after that. I'm a little leery given how much flak I got when going to Montreal last year when I did border crossing in afternoon.
Quote from: viper37 on September 17, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
Maybe I could arrange a quick dinner Friday night, in Quebec city, but I doubt I'll be able to on Saturday. Unless I manage to get my usual fall chores done for the week-end, I'll have work to do on the Saturday of this week-end.
I'll pick the restaurant depending on where you'll stay, to avoid any unncessary travels.
Yeah then I could dinner on Friday as either way, I plan to be in Quebec City by sometime Friday afternoon.
Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2012, 10:46:51 AM
I'm a little leery given how much flak I got when going to Montreal last year when I did border crossing in afternoon.
and here I thought they were only screening for Canadian criminals illegally importing a few whiskey bottles and a few pack of cigarettes.
in a way, I'm glad they are also protecting us against the waves of illegal US immigrants! :)
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Yeah then I could dinner on Friday as either way, I plan to be in Quebec City by sometime Friday afternoon.
Just PM me when you know exactly at what time you'll be available, and I'll try to make it work.
Quote from: viper37 on September 17, 2012, 04:06:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2012, 10:46:51 AM
I'm a little leery given how much flak I got when going to Montreal last year when I did border crossing in afternoon.
and here I thought they were only screening for Canadian criminals illegally importing a few whiskey bottles and a few pack of cigarettes.
in a way, I'm glad they are also protecting us against the waves of illegal US immigrants! :)
Yep, cuz like I said last year, if there is one place I'd want to flee - it would be Quebec so that I could get frowned at for not speaking French. :D
Quote from: viper37 on September 17, 2012, 04:06:54 PM
Just PM me when you know exactly at what time you'll be available, and I'll try to make it work.
Sure, I'll confirm the week of but for now I'm guessing I'll be to Quebec City by 2pm that Friday (only thing that could hold me up is how long it takes to get through border crossing but even on a super conservative estimate, I'd be settled in the city before 5pm).
Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
Yep, cuz like I said last year, if there is one place I'd want to flee - it would be Quebec so that I could get frowned at for not speaking French. :D
All you have to do is live in Downtown Montreal, or west of St-Laurent for this to appear normal. Speaking French, you would look like an alien.
It's hard to get service in French in most downtown parts of Montreal.
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Sure, I'll confirm the week of but for now I'm guessing I'll be to Quebec City by 2pm that Friday (only thing that could hold me up is how long it takes to get through border crossing but even on a super conservative estimate, I'd be settled in the city before 5pm).
Ok, I can be in Quebec city around 19h00, maybe 18h30 depending on how things go at the office.
Got the location, I'll be at that Hilton near Old Town.
There's a good restaurant 15-20 10 minutes walking from your hotel. Imho, if we're talking quality/price ratio, it's among the best:
Le Cosmos (http://www.lecosmos.com/en)
They have fine (small, european type) pizzas, excellent salads and pastas. Decent wine selection.
With wine&tip, expect around 40-50$.
575 Grande Allée Est.
If we pay more, we can get better:
Auberge Louis Hébert (http://www.tonresto.ca/560-auberge-louis-hebert-breakfeast-vieux-quebec-restaurant.html)
With wine&tip, expect around 60-70$.
668 Grande Allée Est.
We could also go elsewhere in the city.
http://www.tonresto.ca/restaurants-en-search.html (http://www.tonresto.ca/restaurants-en-search.html)
Btw, coming from New York, if you don't stop in Montreal first, stick to the south shore of the St-Lawrence, highway 20, otherwise, you'll have to enter Montreal and it won't shorten your trip. On you way back from Quebec city to Montreal though, use highway 40 on the north shore of the river.
Be aware that there might be some traffic in Quebec city at 5:00pm. Usually, it's on the other side (getting out of the city), but sometimes it's jammed both ways. Our great government in all it's usual wiseness has decided this year was a good year to repair&rebuild all 3 north-south highways at the same time. Still, compared to New York, it should look like a sunday morning ;)
Hey both those restaurants look good. I can do either as I'll be on vacation. :D
Thanks too for the tips on driving routes and yeah that doesn't sound worse than trying to get through midtown during rush hour. I'll pm you closer to when I'm around.
And Grallon and Zoupa - if you have any free time during those bits when I'm around your cities - invitation still open. :)
<_<
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 20, 2012, 07:21:42 AM
<_<
I can't keep track of where everyone lives, buddy. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2012, 08:51:24 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 20, 2012, 07:21:42 AM
<_<
I can't keep track of where everyone lives, buddy. :hug:
Of course not but you didn't even inquire!
I am : hurt.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 20, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 20, 2012, 08:51:24 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 20, 2012, 07:21:42 AM
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I can't keep track of where everyone lives, buddy. :hug:
Of course not but you didn't even inquire!
I am : hurt.
I didn't ask Viper either. He chimed in with a dinner offer. :)
Grey Fox, stop acting like a needy girl.
Quote from: Jacob on September 20, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
Grey Fox, stop acting like a needy girl.
To Garbon, really?
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 20, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 20, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
Grey Fox, stop acting like a needy girl.
To Garbon, really?
Oh! Right. Sorry.
... didn't realize you guys were flirting.
Ugh.
Given the recent developments in your life, I have to decline as you present as a high-risk/low-gain business investment.
is it this week-end, Friday the 5th or the next one Friday the 12th?
This one.
Met Garbon yesterday night: charming fellow :)
He's always laughing, wich makes him seem nicer than on the forum where I always figured him for a gay CdM ;)
He did most of the talking. That was great, as now that I can walk, it seems that I can't talk (yeah for asthma). Talked about a lot of things, didn't talk much about you guys, so don't worry, no big secrets were spilled :)
It was a nice evening at Le Cosmos, it was too early to go anywhere else, and I was kind tired too.
It took me 2.5hrs to get there (instead of 1.5) , got stuck in traffic - again. I'm beginning to dislike Quebec city. <_<
All in all, a nice evening. Glad to have met Garbon.
I'd just add that despite what v said, I totally took a little time to blow up the spot of some of our actually mild-mannered Internet tough guys. :D
Border crossing back consisted of the agent telling me that the Weston is nice and fancy. :lol:
So I'm taking another trip up to Montreal next weekend and I was speaking with a co-worker who asked me if I had my canadian auto insurance card. I looked at him blankly as I'd never heard of such a thing. Called up my insurance company and they said I could receive one by this saturday so I guess I'm good.
Am I just : foolish for not knowing such things existed? :blush:
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2013, 04:53:07 PM
Am I just : foolish for not knowing such things existed? :blush:
Well, whenever you change your driving habit, it's usually a good thing to check with your insurance company if it affects you. I thought it was sort of automatic for US&Canadian travellers though, that you'd be covered everywhere in North America, but I guess we learn things everyday :)
On a side note, have a good trip, have fun :) I won't be seeing you this time, maybe on your next trip :)
Quote from: viper37 on September 27, 2013, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2013, 04:53:07 PM
Am I just : foolish for not knowing such things existed? :blush:
Well, whenever you change your driving habit, it's usually a good thing to check with your insurance company if it affects you. I thought it was sort of automatic for US&Canadian travellers though, that you'd be covered everywhere in North America, but I guess we learn things everyday :)
On a side note, have a good trip, have fun :) I won't be seeing you this time, maybe on your next trip :)
I never check with my insurance company. :blush: And no one I've checked with who has driven to Canada has ever done this. I wonder if it is one of those technical regulations - oh well I'm covered.
I'm sad I'm not coming this weekend as I saw Montreal is having a last bit of nice weather like NYC is doing!