Montreal 2012

[Barrister]

Counterproductive for the HAs, or the lawyer involved?

[Razgovory]

For the Biker gang.  I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years.  Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field.  Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea.  In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm.  Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel.  Maybe they don't understand how the courts work.  Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.

[Admiral Yi]

Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?

[Ed Anger]

Ahhh, Mom Boucher and the war against the Rock Machine. Good viewing on the teevee.

[Grey Fox]

Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?

Yes. It's the same rules.

No Color, no Women, no Police/Prison guard hopefulls, have a Driver's License & a working motorcycle.

For some reason, Child Molester are also verboten.

[Grey Fox]

Ahhh, Mom Boucher and the war against the Rock Machine. Good viewing on the teevee.

The crazy part is that now most of the Rock Machines are members of the Hells A.

[viper37]

While in Montreal did you happen to take a bat to any lawyers? Cause apparently like 3 defense lawyers in the last little while have been beaten pretty badly. Hells Angels Lawyers, if it makes it any clearer why they're being beat down.

I figured it was Neil visiting Montreal without telling anyone.

[viper37]

Do you have to own a bike to join the Canadian Hell's Angels?

Only to become full patch.  And they have one black dude among their members.

[Barrister]

For the Biker gang.  I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years.  Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field.  Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea.  In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm.  Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel.  Maybe they don't understand how the courts work.  Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.

Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access.  Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.

Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs.  And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.

[viper37]

That seems counterproductive.

they may have been in dept over gambling.  It certainly fits the moto of such incidents.  You don't want to kill the guy, but you do want to send a message.

[Drakken]

It's thanks to that particular lawyer that the judge in the SharQC megatrial was forced to recuse himself, and thanks to his hard work the whole trial floundered under its own weight. If anything, the HAs should have given him a million bucks and limitless access to coke and poon to reward him.

The guy ain't a consigliere or a biker-wannabee. He is widely reputed to be a very respected and straight laywer.

I don't believe it is the HAs who's done it. Obviously the lawyer was taking his job seriously and was very, very good at it. The prosecution ain't over yet, and he'll be needed in the next trial. The HAs have nothing to gain from sending a message that would lead to other competent defense counsels refusing to defend them in the future. Besides, the HAs in Quebec right now are in the same spot than the Italian mafia : Decapitated, white-collared, living in the shadows with most of its top and middle-ranked membership in jail for a long time or on the run. They don't need the additional publicity.

My take is on a competing gang, a vigilante, a disgrunted client that blames him for going to prison, or a shylock/pusher that is too dumb to live.

[Drakken]

they may have been in dept over gambling.  It certainly fits the moto of such incidents.  You don't want to kill the guy, but you do want to send a message.

He was repeatedly bashed on the skull with a baseball bat. It's overkill for a gambling debt, the risk of death's far too great.

[Razgovory]

For the Biker gang.  I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years.  Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field.  Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea.  In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm.  Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel.  Maybe they don't understand how the courts work.  Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.

Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access.  Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.

Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs.  And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.

If you say so.  I'm still sticking by my opinion that HA's (and other biker gangs) are worthless scum.

[Drakken]

For the Biker gang.  I mean, the Mob has had lots of high priced, influential lawyers represent them over the years.  Some of these lawyers were highly respected in their field.  Committing crimes against your own defense counsel doesn't seem like a smart idea.  In legal case that seems to be the last person you wish to threaten with bodily harm.  Prosecutors, Judges, and Jury members all seem like better targets of intimidation then your own defense counsel.  Maybe they don't understand how the courts work.  Or maybe I don't understand how Canadian courts work.

Being a lawyer gives you all kinds of special access.  Just as one example, you can walk into a prison without being searched.

Having a lawyer who is willing to break the rules for you is very, very useful to the HAs.  And if it takes some intimidation to get them to do so, well, the HAs aren't adverse to doing so.

If you say so.  I'm still sticking by my opinion that HA's (and other biker gangs) are worthless scum.

They might be worthless scums, but they're smart enough to know when not to bash repeatedly a defense counsel on the head enough to threaten to render his mental and physical abilities incapacitated or outright kill him, especially when the guy's competent, rendered very good services to your gang, and he's still willing to work for you.

[Razgovory]

Sure about that?