Merits its own thread.
Rest in Peace, Turtlenecked One. :(
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ZH posted this. Might be worth a look.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43945579/Playboy-Interview-With-Steve-Jobs
From 1985.
The Iphone and Ipad are cool, Macs not so much.
RIP maker of cool gadgets.
:(
Apple tweaked their home page. Nice.
Whoa-- I was thinking he'd hang around for a little while longer. RIP Steve :(
I didn't give him the credit he deserved until pretty recently.
A genius. A mad, mad genius.
That is very unexpected. :blink:
He looked near death in the last picture I saw about a week ago. :(
RIP Herr Jobs.
Quote from: Habsburg on October 05, 2011, 07:31:47 PM
He looked near death in the last picture I saw about a week ago. :(
:yes: Not really unexpected.
Oh my.
Its a sad day.
Quote from: Tyr on October 05, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
That is very unexpected. :blink:
Not really, he'd been diagnosed with cancer a while ago.
But sucks that he died so soon after retiring.
OTOH, Apple seemed to be his life, and without cancer he would have stayed there until death anyway.
(Or until he would be forced out again)
Well, he retired because he was near death, so short retirement was a foregone conclusion.
Hopefully we can start feeding Apple Cultists to the lions now.
Quote from: Neil on October 05, 2011, 07:59:32 PM
Hopefully we can start feeding Apple Cultists to the lions now.
TOO SOON :mad:
Well that's a shocker!
I wonder if Apple will start losing its edge now that the visionary leader is gone?!
G.
:( Sad Day for Technology.
QuoteStatement from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
"Steve Jobs was a visionary who changed the way we live, an innovator whose products brought joy to millions, a risktaker who wasn't afraid to challenge the status quo, and an entrepreneur who led one of the most creative companies of our time.
"His sage advice was respected by policymakers on both sides of the aisle. His courageous fight against cancer brought strength to many.
"I hope it is a comfort to those who loved him, especially his family, that so many grieve his loss and are praying for them at this sad time."
Aww
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
Well, he retired because he was near death, so short retirement was a foregone conclusion.
Didn't think it would be that quick. He must have had a doctor tell him he had less then six months to live or something.
:cry:
That really sucks. :(
I'm no idiot. I've read the articles, and appreciate that Jobs was generally a jerk in his personal life. But DAMN he had one hell of a life.
He (along with Woz) starts the personal computer revolution back in the late 70s / early 80s. That would be enough to cement most people's legacy. Hell - Woz is still riding that legacy.
But after being forced out of the company he co-founds... he tries again with middling success (NeXT). He goes into the movie biz and forms the ridiculously successful Pixar.
Then, in one of life's great ironies, NeXT gets bought out by Apple, and he's back at the company he founded. Apple mid 90s was near death - the stories were about who was going to buy it out and put it out of its misery.
Very, very few CEOs can directly show how they single-handedly changed their company. Steve Jobs could. The iMac. The iPod. The iPhone. The iPad. He single-handedly changed tech, not once, not twice, but multiple times.
Damn - the world could use a few more assholes like Steve Jobs.
May your next life be as insanely great as this one was, El Jobso.
:(
The disappointment that is the iPhone 4S pushed him over the edge :(
Too soon? :unsure:
Quote from: HVC on October 05, 2011, 09:59:54 PM
The disappointment that is the iPhone 4S pushed him over the edge :(
Too soon? :unsure:
Yes.
RIP gadget dude. :(
Even though I absolutely hate Macs due to my unhappy experience with them in my university, I have to say that he turned one of my greatest childhood dreams into reality. I had a bunch of CDs and cassettes, and I wanted a way to extract and play only the songs that I liked. iTunes and iPod probably exceeded my wildest dreams.
Mixtape, mix cd?
Quote from: garbon on October 05, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
Mixtape, mix cd?
I did those, and I wasn't too happy about the result. Often the sound quality declined with the mixtape. I didn't have the skills or the equipment to do it properly. I also wanted a more convenient way to manage the songs and play them in different order, add or delete songs etc. I realise that iTunes is as important as iPod, because it enables me to do all that.
Mixtecs?
RIP
A guy that truly understood that people are morons and that they will buy overpriced garbage much easily than cheap, useful stuff.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on October 05, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
RIP
A guy that truly understood that people are morons and that they will buy overpriced garbage much easily than cheap, useful stuff.
Fuck you.
Quote from: Barrister on October 05, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on October 05, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
RIP
A guy that truly understood that people are morons and that they will buy overpriced garbage much easily than cheap, useful stuff.
Fuck you.
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Oh, good, Jaron's back for a few hours.
Quote from: Barrister on October 05, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on October 05, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
RIP
A guy that truly understood that people are morons and that they will buy overpriced garbage much easily than cheap, useful stuff.
Fuck you.
:rolleyes:
Relax. Your uncle didn't die, just some stranger that sold very expensive gadgets. Jeez.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 05, 2011, 11:35:39 PM
Oh, good, Jaron's back for a few hours.
I miss you too, Habibi :hug:
Don't worry, Barrister, He will resurrect in three days time then ascend to Heaven!
Wonder how much will charge Apple for the Gospel according to idiots that worship Jobs. Probably something like 299 $ (vowels sold separately).
Anyone been to an Apple store today? I've read some stuff saying people are showing up crying, leaving flowers, candles, etc.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 06, 2011, 12:44:03 AM
Anyone been to an Apple store today? I've read some stuff saying people are showing up crying, leaving flowers, candles, etc.
I went to an apple store but that was before the news was released so it was business as usual.
I'm glad that I did not encounter this scene, oh my.
QuoteAt the downtown San Francisco Apple store, people held pictures of Jobs aloft on iPads and taped greeting cards and post-it notes to the store window saying "thank you Steve" and "I hate cancer." Candles and red apples were placed outside.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on October 06, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
Don't worry, Barrister, He will resurrect in three days time then ascend to Heaven!
Wonder how much will charge Apple for the Gospel according to idiots that worship Jobs. Probably something like 299 $ (vowels sold separately).
I've never bought a thing from the guy. But this thread isn't where this belongs, start a different thread?
The Onion does a "too soon" one too:
QuoteBREAKING: Panicking Apple Board Of Directors Attempt To Restart Steve Jobs
I felt bad for chuckling at it. :P
RIP Steve. :(
Quote from: Alexandru H. on October 05, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
RIP
A guy that truly understood that people are morons and that they will buy overpriced garbage much easily than cheap, useful stuff.
Yep.
I despise Apple and it's fanbase but Jobs was a genius.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2011, 01:38:37 AM
The Onion does a "too soon" one too:
QuoteBREAKING: Panicking Apple Board Of Directors Attempt To Restart Steve Jobs
I felt bad for chuckling at it. :P
RIP Steve. :(
Likewise here:
Daily Mail runs Steve Jobs obituary in which he's still alive (http://"http://newsthump.com/2011/10/06/daily-mail-runs-steve-jobs-obituary-in-which-hes-still-alive")
RIP turtlenecked genius.
Quote from: Brazen on October 06, 2011, 03:42:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2011, 01:38:37 AM
The Onion does a "too soon" one too:
QuoteBREAKING: Panicking Apple Board Of Directors Attempt To Restart Steve Jobs
I felt bad for chuckling at it. :P
RIP Steve. :(
Likewise here:
http://newsthump.com/2011/10/06/daily-mail-runs-steve-jobs-obituary-in-which-hes-still-alive/ (http://%22http://newsthump.com/2011/10/06/daily-mail-runs-steve-jobs-obituary-in-which-hes-still-alive%22)
RIP turtlenecked genius.
FYL you incompetent harlot. :mad:
Jobs was a genius at making the complex accessible to the common person. He gets to much credit for "starting" technologies that clearly either existed before he added his touch, or would have existed in spite of him, but he was an innovator in the analytically difficult area of interface design; his intuition there was almost always correct, and his companies made billions as a result.
Quote from: grumbler on October 06, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
Jobs was a genius at making the complex accessible to the common person. He gets to much credit for "starting" technologies that clearly either existed before he added his touch, or would have existed in spite of him, but he was an innovator in the analytically difficult area of interface design; his intuition there was almost always correct, and his companies made billions as a result.
Agree 100%. Just being able to understand what people will want to use...an amazing talent.
Quote from: grumbler on October 06, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
Jobs was a genius at making the complex accessible to the common person. He gets to much credit for "starting" technologies that clearly either existed before he added his touch, or would have existed in spite of him, but he was an innovator in the analytically difficult area of interface design; his intuition there was almost always correct, and his companies made billions as a result.
Aye.
Clearly he didn't invent the personal computer, or the GUI, or the touch screen, or the MP3 player, or the smart phone. But he did make those things accessible. He was also a genius at giving people what HE thought they wanted, and was usually correct.
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ZH posted this. Might be worth a look.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43945579/Playboy-Interview-With-Steve-Jobs
From 1985.
:lol: I love that article. Jobs tries, but fails to convince the interviewer that the mouse (described as a box with a button ) is this revolutionary advancement, affordable personal computers ($1000) will one day be a reality, and that in the future will be this awesome system of interconnected networks. The man really saw it all coming.
Quote from: Fate on October 06, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2011, 06:58:22 PM
ZH posted this. Might be worth a look.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/43945579/Playboy-Interview-With-Steve-Jobs
From 1985.
:lol: I love that article. Jobs tries, but fails to convince the interviewer that the mouse (described as a box with a button ) is this revolutionary advancement, affordable personal computers ($1000) will one day be a reality, and that in the future will be this awesome system of interconnected networks. The man really saw it all coming.
Wow, that's from 1985. Believe it or not, the very next year I started the first IT degree in the country.
How many business executives really add value to their companies in an objective, measurable way? Hundreds of business schools and millions of executives around the world spend enormous time and effort trying to figure out how to bring tangible benefits to the bottom line through executive leadership. 99% of what comes out of that effort is a lot of noise, impenetrable and meaningless jargon, emphemeral management "fads", and empty catch phrases.
Jobs did it. he took over a stagnant company a few more bad quaters away from restructuring, and made it into the largest company in America by market cap, depending on how Exxon happens to be trading. Of course, other talented execs, product designers and line employees at Apple made a difference, but even among his detractors the consensus seems to be that Jobs' obssessive, perhaps even deranged management style was a difference maker.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 06, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
How many business executives really add value to their companies in an objective, measurable way? Hundreds of business schools and millions of executives around the world spend enormous time and effort trying to figure out how to bring tangible benefits to the bottom line through executive leadership. 99% of what comes out of that effort is a lot of noise, impenetrable and meaningless jargon, emphemeral management "fads", and empty catch phrases.
Jobs did it. he took over a stagnant company a few more bad quaters away from restructuring, and made it into the largest company in America by market cap, depending on how Exxon happens to be trading. Of course, other talented execs, product designers and line employees at Apple made a difference, but even among his detractors the consensus seems to be that Jobs' obssessive, perhaps even deranged management style was a difference maker.
And that wasn't the first time he did it either. He famously started Apple out of his parents garage into a company worth hundreds of millions by the time he was forced out. He started Pixar. Hell even NeXT was a reasonably successful company - it's only when compared to Apple and Pixar that it seems small.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 06, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
but even among his detractors the consensus seems to be that Jobs' obssessive, perhaps even deranged management style was a difference maker.
The obssessive deranged management style? That should be the new fad.
One of the very few business leader worthy of respect. We mourn.
G.
Quote from: grumbler on October 06, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
Jobs was a genius at making the complex accessible to the common person. He gets to much credit for "starting" technologies that clearly either existed before he added his touch, or would have existed in spite of him, but he was an innovator in the analytically difficult area of interface design; his intuition there was almost always correct, and his companies made billions as a result.
:yes:
Meh. I'm still mad about the lack of floppy eject button.
Quote from: The Brain on October 06, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
Meh. I'm still mad about the lack of floppy eject button.
Yeah. What was up with that? I had to keep a paperclip handy at all times when using a mac at school.
that and their stupid mice.
That mouse was beyond retarded.
Quote from: The Brain on October 06, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
Meh. I'm still mad about the lack of floppy eject button.
But that was back from when Jobs was not with Apple.
When he came back he had a simple solution: he got rid of the floppy alltogether. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on October 06, 2011, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 06, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
Meh. I'm still mad about the lack of floppy eject button.
But that was back from when Jobs was not with Apple.
When he came back he had a simple solution: he got rid of the floppy alltogether. :cool:
The original Macintosh never had an eject button for the floppy. It only had a hole for paperclips.
After he came back, Apple began producing iMacs with CD drives that did not have manual eject buttons.
Seems like a trend. I think he had an objection to the aesthetics of an eject button.
The Mac had an eject button; it was just an innie instead of an outie.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268/
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 01:57:37 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268/
:D
The Onion is at its best when it is ambiguous.
Quote from: Fate on October 06, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
:lol: I love that article. Jobs tries, but fails to convince the interviewer that the mouse (described as a box with a button ) is this revolutionary advancement, affordable personal computers ($1000) will one day be a reality, and that in the future will be this awesome system of interconnected networks. The man really saw it all coming.
It's not so much that Jobs saw it all coming as it was a case of a computer pro dealing with a layman. It's not like mice and networking weren't around in 1985, and the computer had been becoming smaller, cheaper and more powerful for years. Now if he had said that he was going to make billions marketing lap- and hand-sized computers to hipster douchebags, I would be more impressed.
So I'm reading that Jobs article and I see a small section where Jobs brings up Dr. Edwin Land, who founded Polaroid. He talks about how Polaroid was one of the biggest, most vibrant companies at one point.
Quote from: Steve Jobsbut eventually Dr. Land, one of those brilliant troublemakers, was asked to leave his own company - which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of
:lol:
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 06, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
:lol: I love that article. Jobs tries, but fails to convince the interviewer that the mouse (described as a box with a button ) is this revolutionary advancement, affordable personal computers ($1000) will one day be a reality, and that in the future will be this awesome system of interconnected networks. The man really saw it all coming.
It's not so much that Jobs saw it all coming as it was a case of a computer pro dealing with a layman. It's not like mice and networking weren't around in 1985, and the computer had been becoming smaller, cheaper and more powerful for years. Now if he had said that he was going to make billions marketing lap- and hand-sized computers to hipster douchebags, I would be more impressed.
The big problem with early home computers was not they to weak, large or expensive but because nobody knew how to use them. It wasn't until easy to use operating systems came along did home computing really take off. The second big problem was that early personal computers didn't do a great deal that interested the average person. Spreadsheets and word processing were neat but for the average person that was just a fancy and expensive note book.
Quote from: Barrister on October 06, 2011, 03:41:15 PM
So I'm reading that Jobs article and I see a small section where Jobs brings up Dr. Edwin Land, who founded Polaroid. He talks about how Polaroid was one of the biggest, most vibrant companies at one point.
Quote from: Steve Jobsbut eventually Dr. Land, one of those brilliant troublemakers, was asked to leave his own company - which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of
:lol:
Damn, I was about to post that very same quote. :mad: I guess there is one development that Steve Jobs didn't see coming.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 06, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
:lol: I love that article. Jobs tries, but fails to convince the interviewer that the mouse (described as a box with a button ) is this revolutionary advancement, affordable personal computers ($1000) will one day be a reality, and that in the future will be this awesome system of interconnected networks. The man really saw it all coming.
It's not so much that Jobs saw it all coming as it was a case of a computer pro dealing with a layman. It's not like mice and networking weren't around in 1985, and the computer had been becoming smaller, cheaper and more powerful for years. Now if he had said that he was going to make billions marketing lap- and hand-sized computers to hipster douchebags, I would be more impressed.
The big problem with early home computers was not they to weak, large or expensive but because nobody knew how to use them. It wasn't until easy to use operating systems came along did home computing really take off. The second big problem was that early personal computers didn't do a great deal that interested the average person. Spreadsheets and word processing were neat but for the average person that was just a fancy and expensive note book.
Heh I feel positively ancient - I used to write out essays and assignments
by hand in pen, do all the proofs and corrections, and then type them up on a typewriter!
Compared to that, word processing (when it came out) was a real revelation.
No kidding, I think people really underestimate how much easier things became with spreedsheets and wordprocessing. That alone was worth the price of admission - plus you could play games!
Quote from: Malthus on October 06, 2011, 04:40:06 PM
Heh I feel positively ancient - I used to write out essays and assignments by hand in pen, do all the proofs and corrections, and then type them up on a typewriter!
I wrote out lots of essays and assignments by hand. Course then I turned that copy in. By the time teachers started demanding stuff be typed out, my family had a computer. And then I would compose it on the computer. I was never big on multiple drafts. :blush:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2011, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 06, 2011, 04:40:06 PM
Heh I feel positively ancient - I used to write out essays and assignments by hand in pen, do all the proofs and corrections, and then type them up on a typewriter!
I wrote out lots of essays and assignments by hand. Course then I turned that copy in. By the time teachers started demanding stuff be typed out, my family had a computer. And then I would compose it on the computer. I was never big on multiple drafts. :blush:
Well, I guess that would suffice if you were (a) the sort of organized genius who could keep a whole essay in your head and write it out without making a mistake or (b) willing to hand in a crappy first draft, and take the consequences. ;)
I was always lazy, but nonetheless anal about my written work - I
hated to hand in anything that wasn't as polished as I could make it. In fact for big assignments I'd do yet another first step - index cards with major points and cites written on them, so I could move 'em around manually ...
The Onion: Apple User Acting Like His Dad Just Fucking Died (http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-user-acting-like-his-dad-just-died,26270/)
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
The Onion: Apple User Acting Like His Dad Just Fucking Died (http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-user-acting-like-his-dad-just-died,26270/)
Will you fuckers posting Onion articles cut and paste the damn things? The site now wants me to pay, and I'm a cheap bastard. :P
Quote from: Malthus on October 06, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
The Onion: Apple User Acting Like His Dad Just Fucking Died (http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-user-acting-like-his-dad-just-died,26270/)
Will you fuckers posting Onion articles cut and paste the damn things? The site now wants me to pay, and I'm a cheap bastard. :P
Same here - I manage to read individual lines and just move back and forth before the "pay or leave" thingie kicks in. :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 06, 2011, 04:46:27 PM
No kidding, I think people really underestimate how much easier things became with spreedsheets and wordprocessing. That alone was worth the price of admission - plus you could play games!
That is why people originally bought them in the early 1980's. Still, most people didn't do a lot of writing or number crunching in their personal lives. They payed bills, balanced a checkbook, and did their taxes, but that was the jist of it.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
That is why people originally bought them in the early 1980's. Still, most people didn't do a lot of writing or number crunching in their personal lives. They payed bills, balanced a checkbook, and did their taxes, but that was the jist of it.
Raz, I am not sure what your point is. People bought these machines expressly to do writing and number crunching. If people didnt need to do writing or number crunching they didnt buy a computer until games and other apps became available.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 06, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
That is why people originally bought them in the early 1980's. Still, most people didn't do a lot of writing or number crunching in their personal lives. They payed bills, balanced a checkbook, and did their taxes, but that was the jist of it.
Raz, I am not sure what your point is. People bought these machines expressly to do writing and number crunching. If people didnt need to do writing or number crunching they didnt buy a computer until games and other apps became available.
Yeah, that's my point. Most people didn't need to do that much in their personal life which was one of the reasons why home computing didn't take off until the later part of the decade. There is limited demand for that sort of thing outside a business or home office.
mh, does this mean that Apple's next product will be the iCoffin? Might be a thing with the current vampire-hype thingy.
anyways:
RIP
Halfway the 50s is to young to go for most anyone.
I think Bill Gates has done a lot more for humanity than Steve Jobs. Surely more people use Windows, Office and IE, than the number of people who use Macs, iphone, ipad and ipods? ipad is a nice to have; Windows is indispensable.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 07, 2011, 03:45:41 AM
I think Bill Gates has done a lot more for humanity than Steve Jobs. Surely more people use Windows, Office and IE, than the number of people who use Macs, iphone, ipad and ipods? ipad is a nice to have; Windows is indispensable.
It may be true that more people use Microstiff products than Apple products, but Jobs
was Apple a lot more than Gates is Microstiff.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 07, 2011, 03:45:41 AM
I think Bill Gates has done a lot more for humanity than Steve Jobs. Surely more people use Windows, Office and IE, than the number of people who use Macs, iphone, ipad and ipods? ipad is a nice to have; Windows is indispensable.
You're probably right that Gates has done for for humanity, but I'd be thinking more along the lines of the Gates Foundation.
Ok, I'm starting to hate Steve Jobs now. :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on October 07, 2011, 06:40:40 AM
Ok, I'm starting to hate Steve Jobs now. :bleeding:
The guy changed humanity forever. Have a little respect. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 06, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
That is why people originally bought them in the early 1980's. Still, most people didn't do a lot of writing or number crunching in their personal lives. They payed bills, balanced a checkbook, and did their taxes, but that was the jist of it.
Raz, I am not sure what your point is. People bought these machines expressly to do writing and number crunching. If people didnt need to do writing or number crunching they didnt buy a computer until games and other apps became available.
Yeah, that's my point. Most people didn't need to do that much in their personal life which was one of the reasons why home computing didn't take off until the later part of the decade. There is limited demand for that sort of thing outside a business or home office.
There were loads of people buying computers in the early & mid 1980s. Spectrum, Vic 20, Commodore 64, Acorn, Dragon etc. They weren't all that good and they were hugely expensive by today's standards but they sold well. I think they were mainly used for games and because people thought they'd give their kids a headstart.
My parents sent to me computer classes in the early 80s.
Mother: What did they teach you in the past 3 months?
Me: I learned the commands to draw a square.
Mother: And?
Me: A pentagon.
Mother: What else can that machine do?
Me: Play games.
Mother: I think you've learned enough.
Quote from: Caliga on October 07, 2011, 06:40:40 AM
Ok, I'm starting to hate Steve Jobs now. :bleeding:
No kidding. Between him and Breast Cancer Month, I'm annoyed with the media.
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:mellow:
Apparently in the second one, people just left those ipads and iphones there, so if you want one, maybe cruise by the Apple store and see if any hipsters dropped some off. "Thanks Steve!"
Death is life's best invention (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15197932)
"No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
Full transcript here. (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html)
I actually watched that video the night he died. For such a polished salesman he was stiff in his delivery, but very nice speech. That must be why people keep cribbing from it when talking about his death.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 07, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
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:mellow:
Apparently in the second one, people just left those ipads and iphones there, so if you want one, maybe cruise by the Apple store and see if any hipsters dropped some off. "Thanks Steve!"
People are stupid. And Steve was genius with all lemmings following his products. :)
Quote from: Neil on October 07, 2011, 07:27:10 AM
No kidding. Between him and Breast Cancer Month, I'm annoyed with the media.
People are starved for something uplifting to believe in - hence this mushrooming of saints. :P
G.
Pancreas cancer: there's an app for that.
Quote from: Gups on October 07, 2011, 07:02:09 AM
There were loads of people buying computers in the early & mid 1980s. Spectrum, Vic 20, Commodore 64, Acorn, Dragon etc. They weren't all that good and they were hugely expensive by today's standards but they sold well. I think they were mainly used for games and because people thought they'd give their kids a headstart.
Some did, most did not.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_per_com_percap-media-personal-computers-per-capita&date=1985
Using Nation master, There was 106.21 per 1 million people who had a home computer. 324.097 per 1 million people who had a home computer 10 years later. 762.152 per 1 million people 9 years after that (for some reason the US wouldn't show up for 2005). This seems to indicate that most people didn't have computers in 1985, and the number of computers exploded in the 1990's and 2000's.
He didn't say most people, he said loads of people.
Quote from: Berkut on October 07, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
He didn't say most people, he said loads of people.
Well, I can say "Loads" of people are rapists. It's not really a useful term.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 07, 2011, 03:45:41 AM
I think Bill Gates has done a lot more for humanity than Steve Jobs. Surely more people use Windows, Office and IE, than the number of people who use Macs, iphone, ipad and ipods? ipad is a nice to have; Windows is indispensable.
Probably. From what I can see he helped make computers easier to use. He gave us, for my money, the best gadget of the last 20 years (iPod). Plus he made the world a slightly more elegant place. That shouldn't be sniffed at.
RIP :(
Looking over that link, I think the number has to be 10621 per million, not 106. Otherwise the number for 2004 is only 762 per million.
Imagine how much different the reaction will be when Bill Gates croaks.
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
Imagine how much different the reaction will be when Bill Gates croaks.
I'll mainly remember him for the talking paper clip <_<
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
Imagine how much different the reaction will be when Bill Gates croaks.
Wasn't he already assassinated back in the 1990's? http://www.billgatesisdead.com/
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
Imagine how much different the reaction will be when Bill Gates croaks.
I'll cry. I love Bill Gates like all of these hipsters and homos love Jobs. Also, Gates has done a hell of a lot more for humanity than Jobs did. :)
Quote from: Caliga on October 07, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
Imagine how much different the reaction will be when Bill Gates croaks.
I'll cry. I love Bill Gates like all of these hipsters and homos love Jobs. Also, Gates has done a hell of a lot more for humanity than Jobs did. :)
Well, I tend to think that Microsoft actually has more to do with computers being a common devise in homes now than Apple, but at the same time, Microsoft's business practices are kind of distasteful IMO.
I'm talking about Bill Gates, not Microsoft.
To a great extent, Microsoft is Bill Gates, and Apple is (or was, now, I guess) Steve Jobs.
Of course, the reverse isn't necessarily true, which I suppose is your point.
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 07:16:03 PM
Of course, the reverse isn't necessarily true, which I suppose is your point.
:yes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/10/10/steve-jobs-was-a-jerk-good-for-him/
QuoteI am not creative or brilliant. I work hard. But I like my vacations, my time watching my kids play sports, the odd nap on a Sunday afternoon too. I don't think I'm anywhere near as hard a worker as Jobs was. And I'm not a jerk like Jobs was. Which is the biggest reason why I'm just a moderately successful business guy, and not a super billionaire. That's because being creative and hard working isn't that uncommon. Being a jerk is.
:lmfao: Being a jerk is uncommon? Sometimes I wonder whether people who write for WSJ or Forbes have the even faintest touch with reality.
Quote from: DGuller on October 10, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
:lmfao: Being a jerk is uncommon? Sometimes I wonder whether people who write for WSJ or Forbes have the even faintest touch with reality.
Once you move away from the whole NYC/Northern Jersey area, I would say jerks are uncommon in business. I wonder if people from that area have even the faintest touch with reality.
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 10, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
:lmfao: Being a jerk is uncommon? Sometimes I wonder whether people who write for WSJ or Forbes have the even faintest touch with reality.
Once you move away from the whole NYC/Northern Jersey area, I would say jerks are uncommon in business. I wonder if people from that area have even the faintest touch with reality.
Yeah, it is actually kind of funny how quickly people who treat others like shit fail in business.
In fact, I think if anything people are generally probably a bit TOO nice in business, and largely unwilling to just come out and say when others are fucked up.
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 10, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
:lmfao: Being a jerk is uncommon? Sometimes I wonder whether people who write for WSJ or Forbes have the even faintest touch with reality.
Once you move away from the whole NYC/Northern Jersey area, I would say jerks are uncommon in business. I wonder if people from that area have even the faintest touch with reality.
Well, that region is where a lot of the business is located.
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 08:01:47 AM
Once you move away from the whole NYC/Northern Jersey area, I would say jerks are uncommon in business. I wonder if people from that area have even the faintest touch with reality.
I'm pretty sure jerks in general are not in short supply, so this being a critical skill to being wildly successful in business would tend to make them more common.
Ingvar Kamprad isn't a jerk, just a Nazi.
But he makes the Apple of furniture. :wub:
Who? Jobs?
Quote from: The Brain on October 10, 2011, 08:36:38 AM
Ingvar Kamprad isn't a jerk, just a Nazi.
Well according to wiki, he was only 16 when he joined.
Quote from: garbon on October 10, 2011, 08:43:56 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 10, 2011, 08:36:38 AM
Ingvar Kamprad isn't a jerk, just a Nazi.
Well according to wiki, he was only 16 when he joined.
It's not when you become a Nazi that matters, it's when you stop being one.
Well, what's him name, the guy who used to post here and was a business man was kind of a jerk. The guy who got stabbed by all those Dayaks.
bmo was not a jerk. He was a Swede.
Quote from: The Brain on October 10, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
bmo was not a jerk. He was a Swede.
Same thing. I remember asking the pin cushion if a businessman could be honest, and he said no. Is he even still alive?
Quote from: frunk on October 10, 2011, 08:30:21 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 08:01:47 AM
Once you move away from the whole NYC/Northern Jersey area, I would say jerks are uncommon in business. I wonder if people from that area have even the faintest touch with reality.
I'm pretty sure jerks in general are not in short supply, so this being a critical skill to being wildly successful in business would tend to make them more common.
There are different kinds of jerks, though. For example, the kind of jerk who's a drunkand that beats his wife and kids, or the kind of jerk who enjoys spending their time at work trolling internet forums aren't the kind of jerk who's likely to be a highly successful businessman.
I have to admit that when I was thinking of jerks, I was also thinking of sociopath executives. If you look at jerks as people who are openly insensitive, and not sleazebags with a nice smile, then they are not that common in business anymore. I still think it's silly to say they are rare, though, and even sillier to say that creativity isn't rare.
Quote from: DGuller on October 10, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
I have to admit that when I was thinking of jerks, I was also thinking of sociopath executives. If you look at jerks as people who are openly insensitive, and not sleazebags with a nice smile, then they are not that common in business anymore. I still think it's silly to say they are rare, though, and even sillier to say that creativity isn't rare.
:yes:
I must admit that I'm amazed by this notion that there aren't jerks in business.
I don't think creativity is all that rare.
Being among the very first in a revolutionally new business also helps. But not in elevating you to sainthood for selling consumer electronics, so it is left out of articles.
Quote from: dps on October 10, 2011, 09:12:22 AM
There are different kinds of jerks, though. For example, the kind of jerk who's a drunkand that beats his wife and kids, or the kind of jerk who enjoys spending their time at work trolling internet forums aren't the kind of jerk who's likely to be a highly successful businessman.
I don't know if the article specified the type of jerk.