Looks like it might hit New England :hmm:
We're due, we haven't been hit since Bob in 1991.
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First hurricane in 20 years and you're sitting it out in Korea. Tsk.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
First hurricane in 20 years and you're sitting it out in Korea. Tsk.
Garage might be crushed by the old tree in back, but the house should be fine. Our house is in the northeast corner of the state.
If this track holds, this hurricane could hit the North East fairly hard, or harder than usual when we mainly get heavy wind and rain from a hurricane. Rare that one hits us very hard. I remember one, maybe a couple, that hit hard this far north, though not with the power they hit down south.
I hope it doesn't hit Northeast. That area is still recovering from the devastating earthquake.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2011, 09:44:33 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
First hurricane in 20 years and you're sitting it out in Korea. Tsk.
Garage might be crushed by the old tree in back, but the house should be fine. Our house is in the northeast corner of the state.
Is it in the middle of your street?
Irene? Fucking Irene?
You have to be kidding me.
That's a bad name.
Sounds like a bitchy woman, that's a perfect name for a hurricane.
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2011, 11:47:20 AM
I hope it doesn't hit Northeast. That area is still recovering from the devastating earthquake.
:lol:
Hope it fades, could bring a good deal of flooding if it stays on track.
It's still not clear what we'll get here in VA. Right now it's looking like just rain and some light winds, if even that. Depends on where it falls into the "cone of probability".
Hopefully it won't be like Isabel and it's week-long power outage. I will be disappointed if we get absolutely nothing, however.
And someday, I hope to go through a hurricane. Preferably just a 1 or 2.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 24, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
And someday, I hope to go through a hurricane. Preferably just a 1 or 2.
A solid 1 HM Bob. Hurricanes are not to be triffled with.
Quote from: Habsburg on August 24, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 24, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
And someday, I hope to go through a hurricane. Preferably just a 1 or 2.
A solid 1 HM Bob. Hurricanes are not to be triffled with.
They fascinate me though :blush:
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:53:30 PM
Irene? Fucking Irene?
You have to be kidding me.
That's a bad name.
There aren't that many girl's names beginning with I to choose from.
http://www.babiesonline.com/babynames/girlbabynames/girlbabynamesI.asp
Iamar
Ibernia
Iblis
Iconia
Ida
Idaia
Idalie
Idalis
Ide
Idelisa
Idelle
Idetta
Idette
Idla
Idna
Idoia
Idurre
Ierne
Iesha
Ifig
Igerne
Iglesia
Ignacia
Igone
Igraine
Igrayne
Ihriea
Ikerne
Ikira
Ila
Ilana
Ilane
Ilanit
Ilaria
Ilasha
Ilde
Ileana
Ileanna
Ileigh
Ilena
Ilene
Ilex
Ilia
Iliana
Ilianah
Illyria
Ilsa
Ilse
Iluminada
Ilyse
Imajin
Imala
Imaney
Imani
Imara
Imari
Imarni
Imelda
Immaculada
Imogen
Imogene
Ina
Inaaya
Inari
Inaya
Inda
Indaanis
Indee
India
Indiana
Ines
Inez
Inghean
Inghinn
Ingrid
Inis
Innessa
Inoceneia
Inocenta
Inorine
Intisar
Intisara
Intizara
Iona
Ionanna
Ione
Ipsita
Iraida
Irasema
Iratze
Irdina
Ireland
Irene
Irianna
Irina
Iris
Irma
Irmgard
Irmigard
Irmina
Irmine
Irmuska
Iroy
Irune
Irvetta
Irvette
Isa
Isabeau
Isabel
Isabela
Isabella
Isabelle
Isadora
Isaliah
Isana
Isane
Iseabal
Isha
Ishanvi
Ishvaria
Isi
Isibeal
Isibelle
Isidora
Isleen
Islene
Isobel
Isold
Isolda
Isolde
Isole
Isoud
Isoude
Issabell
Istas
Istra
Ita
Italiana
Itavia
Ithica
Itsaso
Ituha
Itxaro
Itzel
Iva
Ivalyn
Ivana
Ivane
Ivanka
Ivanna
Ivette
Ivey
Ivie
Ivonne
Ivory
Ivy
Ivyanne
Iyanna
Iyon
Iyonna
IyResha
Izabele
Izabella
Izabelle
Izaiah
Izar
Izarra
Izarre
Izazkun
Izellah
Izett
Izienne
Izso
Izusa
Izzabella
Izzah
Izzy
Yeah, like Syt pointed out, there's maybe a dozen recognizable names. Add to that that one gets taken every other year, and you run low pretty quick.
Bork.
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2011, 11:47:20 AM
I hope it doesn't hit Northeast. That area is still recovering from the devastating earthquake.
Yeah, it'll be a double whammy of hits! ;)
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 24, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
It's still not clear what we'll get here in VA. Right now it's looking like just rain and some light winds, if even that. Depends on where it falls into the "cone of probability".
Hopefully it won't be like Isabel and it's week-long power outage. I will be disappointed if we get absolutely nothing, however.
And someday, I hope to go through a hurricane. Preferably just a 1 or 2.
Shoulda been around in 2003. Isabel had 70mph winds even up here in the Piedmont. Lots of trees down.
I was amused by the tiny, wee first aid kit CNN was using as an example to use in your OH MY GOD WE ARE GOING TO DIE emergency kit. You might be able to patch up 2 boo-boos with it.
I have Spongebob SquarePants band-aids, so I am all set.
I may need to bring in more water and snack foods into my back yard bunker. After clearing out the supermarket shelves of stuff. :cool:
I hope it kills the cast of Jersey Shore.
Looks like it could hit NYC. :(
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/204041/20110825/hurricane-irene-new-york-new-york-city-manhattan.htm
QuoteHurricane Irene New York: Economic Damage Could Be Huge
By Elvira Veksler | August 25, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
Category 3 Hurricane Irene is gaining momentum and seemingly heading right for the city that never sleeps, and the potential exists -- in addition to risks to human life -- for major damage to New York's dwellings/infrastructure and economy.
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Due to regional geography, hurricanes in New York City — though infrequent — can do far more damage than hurricanes of similar strength in the southern United States. With sustained winds of 74 mph or greater, hurricanes can flatten buildings, topple trees and turn loose objects into deadly projectiles. Along with torrential rains, storm surge is among a hurricane's most hazardous features. A major hurricane could push more than 30 feet of storm surge into some parts of New York City.
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According to the Wall Street Journal, Irene's economic impact could be catastrophic.
As of Thursday at 6 p.m. EDT, North Carolina, New Jersey, Virginia, and Maryland hah already declared states of emergency as the storm approached the East Coast. Mandatory mass evacuations are underway in sensitive coastal areas.
The storm is expected to make landfall in North Carolina Saturday afternoon. Irene is then expected to climb up the Eastern Seaboard, where New York City, a city that many experts argue is not adequately prepared for a natural disaster, waits for it.
Officials expect the hurricane to reach New York by Sunday at mid-day, perhaps earlier.
Irene: Massive Economic Loss Possible
The Wall Street Journal called the hurricane an "economic worst-case scenario." The Wall Street Journal also cited a study by Munich Re which said that at least $100 billion in insured losses from an East Coast hurricane could ravage an already unstable economy. This figure, he added, does not include loss of productivity or loss of human life.
What's more, because New York City is extremely densely populated (you've seen the borderline-line scary roommate situations), the impact of a major hurricane, economic and human, could be devastating. A hurricane capable of 100 mph winds could raise the level of New York Harbor by 10 to 15 feet, ravaging neighborhoods, drowning subways in saltwater, and taking down power lines.
The most likely tri-state area landfall -- New York, New Jersey, Connecticut -- location seems to be somewhere on Long Island, N.Y. which border the city to the east. Energy prices will be negatively affected due to "demand destruction," an economic term that describes a permanent downward shift in the demand curve. Energy prices will plunge as producers stand around looking at their excess supply.
According the Wall Street Journal, it is extremely unlikely that Hurricane Irene will be the second coming of Hurricane Earl which evaded the East Coast. The first, worst-case scenario is likely, Princeton University said.
I look forward to Kanye West talking about how Barack Obama doesn't care about black people.
It looks like it will go over North Carolina, Virginia, and New Jersey first, which should weaken it to a Cat 1 or TS and greatly reduce the storm surge. NYC should be fine, unfortunately.
It looks like Rehoboth Beach, Lewes, and Cape May are going to get their asses kicked. :(
We just lost power for a few hours due to a severe thunderstorm unrelated to the hurricane. When Irene goes through, it's probably going to be a repeat of Isabel and we'll be without power for a few days to a week.
Maybe Irene can thin out the hipster population in NY.
Hipsters are already too thin.
Anybody in the affected areas plan to evacuate?
:lol:
i say to new england and lower manhattan...why do dumb yankees insist on building on the water when they live in a hurricane zone?
seriously irene is a hurricane in name only ...hell i went through franklyn in a 30 ft boat
andrew, hugo, katrina, charley, wilma, ivan...now those were real hurricanes
I used to sleep in a paper bag in a septic tank!
Store was crazy. Nearly all the bread was gone.
Let them buy cake.
Stocked up on tuna, pb&j, bread, beer and chunky soups. I'm now well-prepared for the upcoming power outage.
Stocked up on coke, beef jerky, and cereal bars. Everything was out of stock by the time I started freaking out.
Sound better prepared that a woman I saw on CNN who was prepared with a flashlight, 2 cans of tuna and a bottle of water. New Yorkers. :rolleyes:
Oh yeah, that's right. The hurricane might be weak, but the antiquated East Coast power grid will collapse like a house of cards.
I work in a disaster recovery hot site bunker. We have three separate generators, shower facilities and a satellite phone system. Not sweating it.
This will turn into another Anderson Cooper bedwetting/handwringing fest.
I hope. :(
I can only hope that Anderson Cooper is washed out to sea.
Quote from: Neil on August 26, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
I can only hope that Anderson Cooper is washed out to sea.
Don't mix up Anderson with Piers Morgan.
Anderson has his uses. :drool:
I really wish that one day, one of those reporters whose only job is to stand in the wind and be buffeted by it, would catch a street sign right between the eyes, on live TV.
Quote from: Habsburg on August 26, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 26, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
I can only hope that Anderson Cooper is washed out to sea.
Don't mix up Anderson with Piers Morgan.
Anderson has his uses. :drool:
No he doesn't. He's as wretched as that Soledad O'Brian.
Really, people? Really?
QuoteThere's where the batteries used to be
Stores can't keep batteries in stock as people prepare for Irene
John Minutella rushed through the doors of Ace Hardware in Waverly on Friday evening, his shirt dampened with sweat and face flushed red.
"Please tell me you have batteries and flashlights," he pleaded to anyone who would listen. "Please tell me yes."
The response: blank stares. Then a salesman, Anthony Williams, spoke up, looking toward an empty shelf. "I can tell you where they used to be."
As people crowded stores across the Baltimore region looking for storm necessities in preparation for Hurricane Irene, the demand for batteries reached a fever pitch and seemed to outpace the clamoring for bread and bottled water. Store managers and shoppers said the larger C and D batteries were the first to sell out as people feared the possibility of days without power and nights, with the only light coming from flashlights that had been buried in drawers and closets.
Minutella persisted with no avail: "Don't you have any in the back?"
Battery company Duracell announced Friday that it planned to ship 12 truckloads of batteries to East Coast distribution centers for Home Depot, Lowe's and CVS so those chains could restock their shelves. A spokeswoman for the battery maker said she didn't know how many would make it into Maryland stores.
Meanwhile, shares of Energizer Holdings Inc., which commands nearly 40 percent of the U.S. battery market, rose nearly 2 percent Friday, sparked by an expected spike in sales in advance of Hurricane Irene, according to analysts. Energizer also makes flashlights.
By Friday morning, the buying frenzy had already begun. Many store shelves were bare where batteries were once displayed.
"D-batteries are like gold now," said Mike Stevens, the manager of Stevens Hardware in Annapolis, where the store was nearly wiped clean of large batteries, flashlights, tarps, duct tape, lamp oil and wicks by lunchtime.
Mickey Fried, the owner of Belle Hardware in Bolton Hill, wished he had ordered more. His supply of batteries sold out by 10 a.m., an hour after the store opened.
"It has been kind of frantic in here," he said.
The Waverly Ace Hardware had a few AAA-sized batteries left on the shelves by rush hour Friday. Flashlights and batteries were the most popular storm items, said owner John Elliott.
Shopper Talesa Waller got the last pack of C batteries at about 6 p.m. She had a huge grin on her face as she grabbed the batteries. She had searched Giant Food and some other stores and was close to giving up.
"It's my lucky day," she said.
Minutella said he had been to 20 stores by the time he reached Ace Hardware about 6:30 p.m. Giant Food, Radio Shack, Rite Aid. No batteries — or flashlights to put them in — anywhere.
The salesman Williams had one last possibility for Minutella. A head lamp like the ones workers wear in coal mines.
Minutella examined it a while, threw his hands up in the air and bought it, along with three packs of AAA batteries.
"Is this what I've been reduced to?" he asked in defeat. "A headlight and AAA batteries."
:lol:
i have a big box of AA batteries and a bunch of flashlights. Even brought in the one i usually have in the car. Should've sold them at 500% markup
Won't help me with the lack of AC when we lose power though :(
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2011, 01:43:37 AM
Really, people? Really?
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The salesman Williams had one last possibility for Minutella. A head lamp like the ones workers wear in coal mines.
Minutella examined it a while, threw his hands up in the air and bought it, along with three packs of AAA batteries.
"Is this what I've been reduced to?" he asked in defeat. "A headlight and AAA batteries."
:blink:
That seems like quite a good option as opposed to a bulky flashlight.
Q to Americans - has LED technology now largely replaced incandescent bulbs in flashlights ?
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:48:29 AM
Q to Americans - has LED technology now largely replaced incandescent bulbs in flashlights ?
From what I've seen in the marketplace, yeah. Still lots of incandescent flashlights being produced, though.
I wonder if Michele Bachmann will introduce the relevant legislation?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:48:29 AM
Q to Americans - has LED technology now largely replaced incandescent bulbs in flashlights ?
From what I've seen in the marketplace, yeah. Still lots of incandescent flashlights being produced, though.
I wonder if Michele Bachmann will introduce the relevant legislation?
:lol:
Yeah of all the technological advances that are so clearly superior to what it's replace, I wouldn't put it past her.
I bought batteries because my radio went dead. :( I was afraid everyone would laugh at me for panic buying. :( :( :(
I had to buy batteries. D batteries. Baby toys use a retarded amount of power. I hope no one thought I was panic buying.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 27, 2011, 11:18:22 AM
I bought batteries because my radio went dead. :( I was afraid everyone would laugh at me for panic buying. :( :( :(
Yet you post this here, so we can laugh at you for caring if strangers thought you were panic buying. :lol: :hmm:
So will this provide TV entertainment?
Quote from: Tamas on August 27, 2011, 11:46:58 AM
So will this provide TV entertainment?
You might see lots of dead homos on Fire island.
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:52:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:48:29 AM
Q to Americans - has LED technology now largely replaced incandescent bulbs in flashlights ?
From what I've seen in the marketplace, yeah. Still lots of incandescent flashlights being produced, though.
I wonder if Michele Bachmann will introduce the relevant legislation?
:lol:
Yeah of all the technological advances that are so clearly superior to what it's replace, I wouldn't put it past her.
I remember when she was rambling on about the Government forcing people to eat their vegetables like some kind of petulant child.
Is Hurricane Irene a lieberal conspiracy??
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/noaas-phony-hurricane-coming-on-shore-with-33-mph-winds/
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Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 27, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
Is Hurricane Irene a lieberal conspiracy??
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/noaas-phony-hurricane-coming-on-shore-with-33-mph-winds/
I am unsure what to make of that.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 27, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
Is Hurricane Irene a lieberal conspiracy??
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/noaas-phony-hurricane-coming-on-shore-with-33-mph-winds/
I am unsure what to make of that.
OBAMA LIED, PEOPLE DIED
NO BLOOD FOR RAIN
WHERES THERE REAL HURRICANE CERTIFICATE?
Minksy once said to Hans that if Kerry had said the sky was blue Hans would run outside and call him a liar and claim it was green. I guess that that's pretty close to what's happening here.
Quote from: garbon on August 26, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
Store was crazy. Nearly all the bread was gone.
I did my weekly shopping Friday afternoon after work, rather than go on the weekend. Store was a bit crowded but not too bad. I think a lot of people were just doing their shopping early, instead of trying to go on the weekend when the storm hits. It didn't seem like there were buyouts on any items either.
Quote from: Tamas on August 27, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2011, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 27, 2011, 11:46:58 AM
So will this provide TV entertainment?
You might see lots of dead homos on Fire island.
:thumbsup:
Fuck you, you gypsy fuck.
Btw, you stink. Bathe more often. Kthxbye.
Quote from: Syt on August 27, 2011, 01:40:33 PM
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Seems tame for craigslist.
Quote from: KRonn on August 27, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 26, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
Store was crazy. Nearly all the bread was gone.
I did my weekly shopping Friday afternoon after work, rather than go on the weekend. Store was a bit crowded but not too bad. I think a lot of people were just doing their shopping early, instead of trying to go on the weekend when the storm hits. It didn't seem like there were buyouts on any items either.
Yeah that's what my mother did up in Boston. None of the predictions were partcularly dire - except for maybe parts of the cape.
I wish Hamilcar was here. He would have told off the idiots who built New York City in the first place.
Quote from: Martinus on August 27, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
I wish Hamilcar was here. He would have told off the idiots who built New York City in the first place.
lol, that's right; because it's daft to build cities near shorelines, that's just asking for trouble :lol:
Quote from: garbon on August 27, 2011, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 27, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 26, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
Store was crazy. Nearly all the bread was gone.
I did my weekly shopping Friday afternoon after work, rather than go on the weekend. Store was a bit crowded but not too bad. I think a lot of people were just doing their shopping early, instead of trying to go on the weekend when the storm hits. It didn't seem like there were buyouts on any items either.
Yeah that's what my mother did up in Boston. None of the predictions were partcularly dire - except for maybe parts of the cape.
Cape Cod and the coast line can get clobbered bad in storms like this, depending what the effects are on the ocean tides and storm tides.
Quote from: KRonn on August 27, 2011, 03:32:18 PMCape Cod and the coast line can get clobbered bad in storms like this, depending what the effects are on the ocean tides and storm tides.
Insightful.
Quote from: Martinus on August 27, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
I wish Hamilcar was here. He would have told off the idiots who built New York City in the first place.
Didn't he move to NYC or Connecticut?
Quote from: Zanza on August 27, 2011, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 27, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
I wish Hamilcar was here. He would have told off the idiots who built New York City in the first place.
Didn't he move to NYC or Connecticut?
I heard they shot him up into space and now he's on the ISS. Apparently they did it just to spite him. Or maybe they just shot him. I forget which one.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 27, 2011, 03:32:18 PMCape Cod and the coast line can get clobbered bad in storms like this, depending what the effects are on the ocean tides and storm tides.
Insightful.
Agreed, poorly put on my part. But the point I was going towards was that even if the storm doesn't hit hard the coastal areas could still suffer heavy damage.
This coverage is all about NYC. It's not here yet! It's still coming, and the subway isn't running!!!1111
Um. Guys?
Yes. MBTA is shut down tomorrow too apparently. I've actualyl seen a few windows that were boarded up.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 27, 2011, 07:06:59 PM
This coverage is all about NYC. It's not here yet! It's still coming, and the subway isn't running!!!1111
Um. Guys?
You'd think the fucking world was coming to an end the way the talking heads go on about it.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 27, 2011, 07:06:59 PM
This coverage is all about NYC. It's not here yet! It's still coming, and the subway isn't running!!!1111
Um. Guys?
You'd think the fucking world was coming to an end the way the talking heads go on about it.
Aint that a fact.
Just got done grilling some ribeyes and chili chops. Enjoy your rain.
Quote from: Martinus on August 27, 2011, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: Tamas on August 27, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2011, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 27, 2011, 11:46:58 AM
So will this provide TV entertainment?
You might see lots of dead homos on Fire island.
:thumbsup:
Fuck you, you gypsy fuck.
Btw, you stink. Bathe more often. Kthxbye.
That was my first reaction as well, but then I realized that I misread his post, and that he wasn't talking about hobos.
Fox is showing footage from Day After Tomorrow and 2012. :lmfao:
These guys are self-parodies.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 27, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
Is Hurricane Irene a lieberal conspiracy??
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/noaas-phony-hurricane-coming-on-shore-with-33-mph-winds/
I just wasted far too much time with that train wreck. :wacko:
It's fine here. I guess God really does know his own. And, between this and the earthquake, I'm reaping all the benefits.
I haven't even lost power, which is amazing. The lights flickered a few times but that was it - the sudden thunderstorm two nights ago (with 60mph gusts) brought down the power for a few hours.
My house is also up in a hilly area so there's no danger of flooding. People in low-lying areas aren't going to be so lucky. It's been a constant, steady rain and the creek that runs by my house is starting to overflow it's banks. It usually only does that when we get a sudden downpour and can't drain out fast enough.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 27, 2011, 08:55:09 PM
Fox is showing footage from Day After Tomorrow and 2012. :lmfao:
These guys are self-parodies.
:lol: Did they use the shot of the Capitol getting smooshed?
I expected dead homos and hipsters floating in the water when I woke up. :mad: New York is only moderately moist.
They always exaggerate this shit. If they didn't, and it turned out to be worse than they thought, heads would roll.
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2011, 08:26:04 AM
They always exaggerate this shit. If they didn't, and it turned out to be worse than they thought, heads would roll.
A lot fewer people would tune in if the news just reported the news. The news has to be bigger than life, so people get either a real thrill or a vicarious one.
It could be worse. You could be in the UK.
QuoteYou could be in the UK.
Ick. Surrounded by chavs and Josqs. WOTS ALL THIS THEN? ME TELLY IS ON THE FRITZ!
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2011, 09:18:30 AM
QuoteYou could be in the UK.
Ick. Surrounded by chavs and Josqs. WOTS ALL THIS THEN? ME TELLY IS ON THE FRITZ!
ME PRAMBULATOR"S GONE WOBBLY!
I'll spare y'all the Monty Python lines.
Well, that was a useless 18 hour overnight shift in the Incident Command Center. Most overrated Cat 1 cane in Maryland EVAH.
It is kind of windy here.
I live right on the edge of the Hudson, and this has been quite a yawner so far. From my window, I saw a pier getting partially submerged earlier this morning, but the water has receeded since then. However, other parts of Jersey City are reported to be flooded, and I don't feel like venturing out to confirm that for myself.
I'm glad Irene continues to take it easy on you guys up north. Like when it passed PR, it rained a lot, some power outages, not much else. Mom lost some fruit and a whole banana plant :lol:. And the outside cat was inside.
Some downed trees and pwoer lines around here. I understand there are wide scale power outages elsewhere about Mass and NH. But its not really doing anything.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
Well, that was a useless 18 hour overnight shift in the Incident Command Center. Most overrated Cat 1 cane in Maryland EVAH.
They paying you, right. Or is that voluteer work?
Quote from: 11B4V on August 28, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
Well, that was a useless 18 hour overnight shift in the Incident Command Center. Most overrated Cat 1 cane in Maryland EVAH.
They paying you, right. Or is that voluteer work?
Every now and then, I have to kind of justify the salary.
In eastern Massachusetts, south Boston, we had heavy winds and rain. Rain has slowed but winds are still heavy. Not too bad. Just lots of small branches and tree leaves down on the lawn. I lost power for about two hours.
I have a good sized veggie garden out back. Some of my remaining corn stalks were blown over, but I had already harvested most of the corn over the last couple of weeks. Got one nice corn cob off one of the downed stalks though. Some minor damage on the tomato plants, and my pole beans seem to be mostly ok. I do have two thick rows of bushes on three sides of the garden, so they must be giving some wind break to the garden.
The good news is that it seems like I will win a $20 bet with a co-worker. :) The bad news is that I bet that we would be coming to work on Monday. :(
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 28, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Some downed trees and pwoer lines around here. I understand there are wide scale power outages elsewhere about Mass and NH. But its not really doing anything.
I heard that some of the outages might last a week or more. Yay for efficiency.
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
The good news is that it seems like I will win a $20 bet with a co-worker. :) The bad news is that I bet that we would be coming to work on Monday. :(
I was hoping not to have to, though the more realistic, cynical side of me said nothing even remotely bad would happen.
Quote from: garbon on August 28, 2011, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 28, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Some downed trees and pwoer lines around here. I understand there are wide scale power outages elsewhere about Mass and NH. But its not really doing anything.
I heard that some of the outages might last a week or more. Yay for efficiency.
Damn. That's some serious shit.
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
The good news is that it seems like I will win a $20 bet with a co-worker. :) The bad news is that I bet that we would be coming to work on Monday. :(
I wonder when the MTA will be functioning again.
Quote from: garbon on August 28, 2011, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 28, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Some downed trees and pwoer lines around here. I understand there are wide scale power outages elsewhere about Mass and NH. But its not really doing anything.
I heard that some of the outages might last a week or more. Yay for efficiency.
My town has its own electric dept, so they seem to be fast in restoring power, reason is (I assume) they only have to take care of the town.
If y'all see a visiting DP&L worker working on your lines, kick him in the nuts for me.
I officially lost that $20. :yeah:
Holy crap, just watched some of the videos. It seems like I was luckier than I first thought, some areas of Jersey City not too far from me truly were submerged. It also appears that my new building is very well insulated against winds, because I didn't even hear the sound of them, while apparently they were quite strong given the wind damage.
Any dead guidos floating down the street?
A guy who seems to think I hate Marty and Slargos. I don't really. I just find Slargos tiresome and Marty easy and fun to insult.
The electricity was out here from about 11:30 yesterday morning until just a bit ago. Fuck it, first weekend I've had off in ages and there wasn't anything to do.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
Well, that was a useless 18 hour overnight shift in the Incident Command Center. Most overrated Cat 1 cane in Maryland EVAH.
Sounds like my 5 days I was stuck in Cleveland for Y2K "issue response and management".
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 28, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Who in the fuck is LaCroix?
Probably one of those people that only Raz can see.
Massive floods throughout Vermont, as well as other places in the northeast.
Pictures:
Western Massachusetts (http://interactives.wwlp.com/photomojo/gallery/919/1/hurricane-irene-in-western-mass/hurricane-irene-in-western-mass/)
Vermont (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110828/NEWS02/110828006/Thousands-without-power-roads-closed-woman-swept-away-Wilmington?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CFRONTPAGE)
Also, prepare for another budget battle over FEMA funding, since FEMA doesn't have enough to cover Irene's damage. God help us if soon-to-be Katia (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml) hits us at strength, because the Republican party won't.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/fema-moving-money-around-to-pay-for-hurricane-irene/2011/08/28/gIQAWwmhkJ_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews
QuoteWith less than $1 billion currently available for federal disaster assistance, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is temporarily suspending payments to rebuild roads, schools and other structures destroyed during spring tornadoes in Joplin, Mo. and southern states in order to pay for damage caused by Hurricane Irene.
...
The shortfall means the Obama administration will soon request supplemental funding from Congress, likely causing another fight over federal spending as a new "supercommittee" prepares to identify trillions of dollars in government spending cuts.
Already House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) has said that any new money for FEMA will be offset by spending cuts elsewhere.
"We've had discussions about these things before and [FEMA] monies will be offset with appropriate savings or cost-cutting elsewhere in order to meet the priority of the federal government's role in a situation like this," Cantor said at a news conference last week after an earthquake struck his congressional district.
But at least there's a ray of light:
QuoteOn Saturday, House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) urged the Senate to quickly approve the House GOP version of the annual Homeland Security spending measure that includes $1 billion for additional disaster funding this year and $2.65 billion for fiscal 2012.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 28, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Marty easy and fun to insult.
yeah but it's getting boring quickly. There is just no challenge whatsoever.
QuoteIt's the first time in memory that a hurricane washed out the first day of the school year.
And a shitload of traffic lights are still out. Ought to be a blast to watch the carnage.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 28, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
Also, prepare for another budget battle over FEMA funding, since FEMA doesn't have enough to cover Irene's damage. God help us if soon-to-be Katia (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml) hits us at strength, because the Republican party won't.
They only bitch about federal money until they need it.
Too bad Obama's gonna lose points helping out the regions hardest hit. ZOMG OBAMA'S INCREASING TEH DEFICIT OUTTA CONTROL SPENDING
QuoteGILFORD, N.H. -- After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.
"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.
"There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank. We should be coordinated but coordinated voluntarily with the states," Paul told NBC News. "A state can decide. We don't need somebody in Washington."
I think Ron's position on feds in general is best summed up by that last bit - "We don't need somebody in Washington."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 05:38:25 AM
QuoteGILFORD, N.H. -- After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.
"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.
"There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank. We should be coordinated but coordinated voluntarily with the states," Paul told NBC News. "A state can decide. We don't need somebody in Washington."
It would be pretty hilarious if he said this right before he drowned.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 05:38:25 AM
QuoteGILFORD, N.H. -- After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.
"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.
"There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank. We should be coordinated but coordinated voluntarily with the states," Paul told NBC News. "A state can decide. We don't need somebody in Washington."
He's an insipid Ass Clown
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
Obviously anybody who claims a few downed powerlines is not a natural disaster worthy of Federal intervention is an insipid ass clown.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
Obviously anybody who claims a few downed powerlines is not a natural disaster worthy of Federal intervention is an insipid ass clown.
QuoteHurricane Irene's rampage through 10 states caused an estimated $7 billion to $13 billion in damage from violent winds and flooding, and left almost six million homes and businesses without power.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/205344/20110829/hurricane-irene-damage-hurricane-irene-cost-hurricane-damage-hurricane-irene-deaths.htm
Even the low-end $7 billion estimate seems like kind of a clusterfuck.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
I disagree with you both in theory and practice.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 05:38:25 AM
QuoteGILFORD, N.H. -- After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.
"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.
"There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank. We should be coordinated but coordinated voluntarily with the states," Paul told NBC News. "A state can decide. We don't need somebody in Washington."
Yeah, we should be like 1900 in Galveston. What an ideologically inflexible moron.
Quote from: ulmont on August 29, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
Obviously anybody who claims a few downed powerlines is not a natural disaster worthy of Federal intervention is an insipid ass clown.
QuoteHurricane Irene's rampage through 10 states caused an estimated $7 billion to $13 billion in damage from violent winds and flooding, and left almost six million homes and businesses without power.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/205344/20110829/hurricane-irene-damage-hurricane-irene-cost-hurricane-damage-hurricane-irene-deaths.htm
Even the low-end $7 billion estimate seems like kind of a clusterfuck.
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 05:38:25 AM
QuoteGILFORD, N.H. -- After a lunch speech today, Ron Paul slammed the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, and said that no national response to Hurricane Irene is necessary.
"We should be like 1900; we should be like 1940, 1950, 1960," Paul said. "I live on the Gulf Coast; we deal with hurricanes all the time. Galveston is in my district.
"There's no magic about FEMA. They're a great contribution to deficit financing and quite frankly they don't have a penny in the bank. We should be coordinated but coordinated voluntarily with the states," Paul told NBC News. "A state can decide. We don't need somebody in Washington."
Yeah, we should be like 1900 in Galveston. What an ideologically inflexible moron.
Presumably he means this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane
The hurricane caused great loss of life with the estimated death toll between 6,000 and 12,000 individuals;[3] the number most cited in official reports is 8,000, giving the storm the third-highest number of deaths or injuries of any Atlantic hurricane, after the Great Hurricane of 1780 and 1998's Hurricane Mitch. The Galveston Hurricane of 1900 is to date the deadliest natural disaster ever to strike the United States.
What Spiderman thinks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsb8AVK2n1M
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
I wouldn't call a $7 billion storm small potatoes, whether it goes through 1 state or 10. I also imagine that a large chunk of the damage is due to flooding, in which case it's a federal insurance program that covers it at subsidized rates.
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
I wouldn't call a $7 billion storm small potatoes, whether it goes through 1 state or 10. I also imagine that a large chunk of the damage is due to flooding, in which case it's a federal insurance program that covers it at subsidized rates.
Well, the federal flood insurance program already exists - obviously it needs to be funded adequately to cover its obligations. Is that what we are talking about though?
$7 billion is a meaningless number for purposes of this discussion. What is the federal bill, and what is it for?
Who should be responsible for paying for infrastructure damage, and for private damage that is not covered by insurance, to the extent that anyone should be responsible for paying it?
That is the question Paul is raising. I find it interesting that the answer is immediately "the feds". Note that this is not a question of whether the damage should be covered, but simply by whom, and the only acceptable response is that it MUST be the highest possible level of government. So this is strictly an argument that the Federal government should be as large as possible, rather than letting the states handle themselves. Why is the instinctive response always whatever justifies expanding the federal government the most?
Apparently Dguller took Christie's advice and didn't go to work today.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
I wouldn't call a $7 billion storm small potatoes, whether it goes through 1 state or 10. I also imagine that a large chunk of the damage is due to flooding, in which case it's a federal insurance program that covers it at subsidized rates.
Well, the federal flood insurance program already exists - obviously it needs to be funded adequately to cover its obligations. Is that what we are talking about though?
$7 billion is a meaningless number for purposes of this discussion. What is the federal bill, and what is it for?
Who should be responsible for paying for infrastructure damage, and for private damage that is not covered by insurance, to the extent that anyone should be responsible for paying it?
That is the question Paul is raising. I find it interesting that the answer is immediately "the feds". Note that this is not a question of whether the damage should be covered, but simply by whom, and the only acceptable response is that it MUST be the highest possible level of government. So this is strictly an argument that the Federal government should be as large as possible, rather than letting the states handle themselves. Why is the instinctive response always whatever justifies expanding the federal government the most?
Cause the states are corrupt and incompetent? Some states don't have a tax base large enough to cope, either.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
Apparently Dguller took Christie's advice and didn't go to work today.
:huh: What makes you say that?
In fact, I did not go to work today, but that was on the advice of my own company. :)
Cause every time one of my friends plays a game on Steam, I get a pop-up. Also I saw the last night that your Gov advised people not to go to work if they didn't want to.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
I wouldn't call a $7 billion storm small potatoes, whether it goes through 1 state or 10. I also imagine that a large chunk of the damage is due to flooding, in which case it's a federal insurance program that covers it at subsidized rates.
Well, the federal flood insurance program already exists - obviously it needs to be funded adequately to cover its obligations. Is that what we are talking about though?
$7 billion is a meaningless number for purposes of this discussion. What is the federal bill, and what is it for?
Who should be responsible for paying for infrastructure damage, and for private damage that is not covered by insurance, to the extent that anyone should be responsible for paying it?
That is the question Paul is raising. I find it interesting that the answer is immediately "the feds". Note that this is not a question of whether the damage should be covered, but simply by whom, and the only acceptable response is that it MUST be the highest possible level of government. So this is strictly an argument that the Federal government should be as large as possible, rather than letting the states handle themselves. Why is the instinctive response always whatever justifies expanding the federal government the most?
The reason why instinctively federal government is the answer in matters like these is because federal government is the most competent government there is in US, and the one with the most resources and economy of scale. When it comes to hurricanes, you shouldn't dick around with cute concepts like "let the states decide", you go with what works most effectively.
In my opinion, federal government should cover damages that are not insurable. Basically, if someone lost his house and didn't buy insurance, too bad. If the county lost its whole infrastructure, then it's the kind of thing government exists to protect and maintain.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
Why is Paul's position at all worthy of comment? He is perfectly consistent. It would only be interesting if he came out and now said the Feds should step in and spend a pile of cash on what is a "routine" natural disaster.
I agree with him, at least in theory. The Feds should not be in the business of making good on natural disasters, that should be the job of the states to make sure they have funds necessary to handle most potential disasters. The Feds and FEMA should only be involved for stuff the states cannot handle, and Irene is small potatoes.
Now, that is all theory - given that for a couple decades the Feds have made it clear that it IS their job to manage this crap, then you cannot blame the states now for not being prepared. Of course they are going to slash their own disaster recovery funds if they know FEMA is going to be there.
Any natural disaster is bound to affect more than one state. So, you can have States signing shared-cost agreements on an ad-hoc basis or a semi-permanent basis to deal with the situation (because presumably, if an Hurricane hits Virginia and North Carolina, the same people are going to be involved to do the repairs and/or evacuation emergency relief if it comes to that). That is not very efficient. And if all States need to sign some kind of agreement between them (North Carolina with Virginia and South Carolina), might as well have a Federal authority to take care of it any time it happens.
It is a loss of sovereignty for sure, it might appear to cost more when there is small disasters (like this hurricane), but in the long term, it's probably the most effective and cost efficient solution.
That is not to say FEMA is untouchable and near perfect, I know nothing about them an it's quite possibly a bloated organisation with unnecessary administrative costs, but still, the basic principle is that you need a supra-State organization to deal with matters that concern more than one state and occur on a regular basis. Otherwise, what's the point of living in a Federation of States?
News from the front.
Reading all those reports about Irene being a 'fluke' and some small storm in New York, I didn't really prepare for the storm. Even when I heard the warnings about not driving along the St-Lawrence, having emergency supplies and all that stuff, I just figured it wasn't worth my time. So, I spent a part of sunday afternoon sleeping. Even when I woke up, I figured the storm wouldn't be that bad. Oh boy.
Lost power around 21:00. 2 trees fell in my backyard. the BBQ was sent flying, multiple branches downed, the swing got dismantled (as happens with any storm) and my father's old garage got destroyed, only the front was still there, no more side and back wall, no more garage door.
But the worst was spending the evening without power. Oh fuck. No tv, no PC :( Contingency measures where in place this morning, shortly after 10:00. I was about to plug my Backberry in the car to get some power and start posting on Facebook and browse the web. The withdrawal symptoms were very high by that point. BUT I SURVIVED IRENE!!! HELL YEAH!!!
:)
Quote from: viper37 on August 29, 2011, 11:33:08 AM
Any natural disaster is bound to affect more than one state. So, you can have States signing shared-cost agreements on an ad-hoc basis or a semi-permanent basis to deal with the situation (because presumably, if an Hurricane hits Virginia and North Carolina, the same people are going to be involved to do the repairs and/or evacuation emergency relief if it comes to that). That is not very efficient. And if all States need to sign some kind of agreement between them (North Carolina with Virginia and South Carolina), might as well have a Federal authority to take care of it any time it happens.
That's not how it works in the US. Repairs to storm damage are done by local people, by and large; the states don't need to import people from other states to replace roofing tiles, pump out flooded basements, and the like, so that rationale for a national response to local conditions fails. If a state cannot handle the response, it should be able to call upon Federal aid, for sure, but making Federal response the default only lowers the efficiency of the response, because federal decision-makers are generally the least efficient decision-makers, being removed from knowledge about the actual conditions and the actual area.
QuoteIt is a loss of sovereignty for sure, it might appear to cost more when there is small disasters (like this hurricane), but in the long term, it's probably the most effective and cost efficient solution.
FYPFY. Economies of scale work against efficiency in the case of natural disasters.
Quote from: grumbler on August 29, 2011, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: viper37 on August 29, 2011, 11:33:08 AM
Any natural disaster is bound to affect more than one state. So, you can have States signing shared-cost agreements on an ad-hoc basis or a semi-permanent basis to deal with the situation (because presumably, if an Hurricane hits Virginia and North Carolina, the same people are going to be involved to do the repairs and/or evacuation emergency relief if it comes to that). That is not very efficient. And if all States need to sign some kind of agreement between them (North Carolina with Virginia and South Carolina), might as well have a Federal authority to take care of it any time it happens.
That's not how it works in the US. Repairs to storm damage are done by local people, by and large; the states don't need to import people from other states to replace roofing tiles, pump out flooded basements, and the like, so that rationale for a national response to local conditions fails. If a state cannot handle the response, it should be able to call upon Federal aid, for sure, but making Federal response the default only lowers the efficiency of the response, because federal decision-makers are generally the least efficient decision-makers, being removed from knowledge about the actual conditions and the actual area.
QuoteIt is a loss of sovereignty for sure, it might appear to cost more when there is small disasters (like this hurricane), but in the long term, it's probably the most effective and cost efficient solution.
FYPFY. Economies of scale work against efficiency in the case of natural disasters.
I tought FEMA was in cases or big natural disasters, when States where themselves overwhelmed, when there's so much damage to the power lines that the teams of one State can't do the repairs in a timely fashion.
States are geographically small compared to Canadian provinces, so I though it was likely that a huge storm could affect more than one State and require some kind of coordination for evacuation, re-routing airport & maritime traffic, that kind of stuff.
I was not advocating FEMA takes over roof repairs of individuals in every State... if that is what FEMA does, than I think you and Ron Paul may have a valid argument there. I just think you need a Federal agency to coordinate actions between various States when there's a major disaster (such as what was expected of Irene at first).
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
$7 billion through ten states? Small potatoes. What is the damage cost in infrastructure? Presumably the vast majority of private damage is covered by insurance?
I wouldn't call a $7 billion storm small potatoes, whether it goes through 1 state or 10. I also imagine that a large chunk of the damage is due to flooding, in which case it's a federal insurance program that covers it at subsidized rates.
Well, the federal flood insurance program already exists - obviously it needs to be funded adequately to cover its obligations. Is that what we are talking about though?
$7 billion is a meaningless number for purposes of this discussion. What is the federal bill, and what is it for?
Who should be responsible for paying for infrastructure damage, and for private damage that is not covered by insurance, to the extent that anyone should be responsible for paying it?
That is the question Paul is raising. I find it interesting that the answer is immediately "the feds". Note that this is not a question of whether the damage should be covered, but simply by whom, and the only acceptable response is that it MUST be the highest possible level of government. So this is strictly an argument that the Federal government should be as large as possible, rather than letting the states handle themselves. Why is the instinctive response always whatever justifies expanding the federal government the most?
The reason why instinctively federal government is the answer in matters like these is because federal government is the most competent government there is in US
Uhhh, no. It is the largest and most inefficient. It is the most competent at collecting resources and centralizing them, which I suspect is the true appeal.
Quote
, and the one with the most resources and economy of scale.
It has the most resources because we choose to give them the most resources. It does not necessarily have to be that way.
And the solution for local damage is local resources, you aren't going to hire some electricians from DC to come fix the transformer down the street - so the claim that the Feds have some economies of scale to deal with storm damage is not at all apparent. Quite the opposite in fact in many cases.
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When it comes to hurricanes, you shouldn't dick around with cute concepts like "let the states decide", you go with what works most effectively.
I don't at all agree that the federal government is "most effective". That is by no means an assumption that has been supported. One size fits all is not at all the most effective means of dealing with every issue.
The reasons for demanding that the feds handle this has nothing to do with what is most effective - you've decided the Feds MUST be the solution before you've even really thought much about what is actually most effective.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 12:18:52 PM
Uhhh, no. It is the largest and most inefficient. It is the most competent at collecting resources and centralizing them, which I suspect is the true appeal.
Where did you come to this conclusion?
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:30:04 AM
Yeah, we should be like 1900 in Galveston. What an ideologically inflexible moron.
I don't think Ron is opposed to the advance notice provided by weather forecasting.
Quote from: viper37 on August 29, 2011, 12:10:10 PM
I tought FEMA was in cases or big natural disasters, when States where themselves overwhelmed, when there's so much damage to the power lines that the teams of one State can't do the repairs in a timely fashion.
You are conflating some unrelated things here. In the US, the government doesn't own the power companies, so neither the states nor the Feds repair power lines. That work is done by the utilities. The utilities call in people from other utilities (in-state or out-of-state) to help, as required, but this is true no matter the nature of the emergency.
FEMA is designed to step in and help the states when they are overwhelmed and ask for help. In practice (as opposed to by design), FEMA steps in where FEMA wants to step in.
QuoteStates are geographically small compared to Canadian provinces, so I though it was likely that a huge storm could affect more than one State and require some kind of coordination for evacuation, re-routing airport & maritime traffic, that kind of stuff.
In the US, states don't operate airlines or control air traffic. Air traffic control is a federal responsibility even when there are no disasters.
QuoteI was not advocating FEMA takes over roof repairs of individuals in every State... if that is what FEMA does, than I think you and Ron Paul may have a valid argument there. I just think you need a Federal agency to coordinate actions between various States when there's a major disaster (such as what was expected of Irene at first).
There is no question that there is a role for FEMA, and Ron Paul is a moron who doesn't understand how the world works. The problem with the role of FEMA is that FEMA has become a self-justifying bureaucratic monster that isn't very good at what it does (like most Federal agencies) but which absorbs more and more state responsibility and money simply because it can.
The US federal government is simply a ploy to socialize the risk of natural disasters.
Quote from: grumbler on August 29, 2011, 01:42:30 PM
In the US, states don't operate airlines or control air traffic. Air traffic control is a federal responsibility even when there are no disasters.
Transport Canada regulates that in Canada as well.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
Also I saw the last night that your Gov advised people not to go to work if they didn't want to.
:wacko: Worked great for the Greeks.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 29, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2011, 09:30:04 AM
Yeah, we should be like 1900 in Galveston. What an ideologically inflexible moron.
I don't think Ron is opposed to the advance notice provided by weather forecasting.
Isn't the National Weather service done at the federal level?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2011, 06:32:24 PM
Isn't the National Weather service done at the federal level?
Yup.
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
Just seen this on USA. Another talking head.... :jaron: :jaron:
I bet lightning bolts simultaneously hitting all the Democratic members of Congress would do the trick. :)
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
It's just a joke. If James Carville can avoid getting his panties in a twist about it, surely you can.
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
It's just a joke. If James Carville can avoid getting his panties in a twist about it, surely you can.
True, Bachmann is a joke.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
It's just a joke. If James Carville can avoid getting his panties in a twist about it, surely you can.
True, Bachmann is a joke.
Indeed. The second Perry declared, her candidacy was finished. He had everything she does, and one thing that is essential for the evangelical vote, which Bachmann could never have: A Y-chromosome.
Looks like more people are asking if Irene was ever a hurricane:
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-did-irene-stop-being-hurricane.html
Quote from: Arvoreen on August 29, 2011, 08:06:29 PM
Looks like more people are asking if Irene was ever a hurricane:
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-did-irene-stop-being-hurricane.html
Why's that important?
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 08:13:39 PM
Quote from: Arvoreen on August 29, 2011, 08:06:29 PM
Looks like more people are asking if Irene was ever a hurricane:
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-did-irene-stop-being-hurricane.html
Why's that important?
Because that blog had this comment:
QuoteCliff- Great analysis, and I agree with you. Unfortunately, it won't make any difference. NY/DC consider themselves to be the centers of the universe (financial and government, respectively), and nothing that might be said will change that. You're dealing with people who are proud of the fact that they haven't taken a vacation in several years (why the world might stop if they took a day off, of course, that might be a cause of the hype, but that's a story for another day).
:yes:
I'm going to trust the NHC and other experts over some retards with a blog.
The NHC does commonly review the data from the hurricane season during and after it, upgrading and downgrading if necessary. So, we shall see.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2011, 09:40:08 AM
Presumably he means this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane
the Great Hurricane of 1780
Interesting, I didn't know about this storm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hurricane_of_1780#Impact
QuoteThe winds stripped the bark off trees before the hurricane downed every tree on the island.[2] This phenomenon has not been observed in any of the strongest modern-day tropical cyclones, so, according to meteorologist Dr. Jose Millas, for it to have been done by winds and rain alone would require winds over 200 mph (320 km/h)
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
It's just a joke. If James Carville can avoid getting his panties in a twist about it, surely you can.
I think her excuse that this is a joke is probably worse, politically, than if she was serious. Now she is joking about the death of 20 people.
Quote from: The Brain on August 29, 2011, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
Also I saw the last night that your Gov advised people not to go to work if they didn't want to.
:wacko: Worked great for the Greeks.
:D
41 dead from a category 1? :huh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 03:41:15 AM
41 dead from a category 1? :huh:
Hurricanes don't kill people, fallen lines, house-crushing trees and out-of-commission traffic lights kill people. You fucking monkey retard fuck.
:yes:
Around 10 years ago there was a Tropical Storm (i.e. never reached hurricane force) that was so destructive that they retired its name.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2011, 05:14:40 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 03:41:15 AM
41 dead from a category 1? :huh:
Hurricanes don't kill people, fallen lines, house-crushing trees and out-of-commission traffic lights kill people. You fucking monkey retard fuck.
Yeah, but the stronger the hurricane the more fallen lines, house-crushing trees and out-of-commission traffic lights you get. Not to mention a powerful storm surge and stronger winds.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 05:27:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2011, 05:14:40 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 03:41:15 AM
41 dead from a category 1? :huh:
Hurricanes don't kill people, fallen lines, house-crushing trees and out-of-commission traffic lights kill people. You fucking monkey retard fuck.
Yeah, but the stronger the hurricane the more fallen lines, house-crushing trees and out-of-commission traffic lights you get.
Go fucking die already, please?
Ok, I looked it up. Tropical Storm Allison killed 41 people and did $5.5 billion in damage in 2001.
Back in 1987 the there was a big storm that hit London and SE England. The worst of the storm was in the early hours so only a few people died. It caused a lot of chaos even though the winds only reached a peak of 100mph (gusts of wind, not sustained). However, it was the worst storm in a century to hit that area and brought down millions of trees. If it had hit the Shetlands it would have been just another "what a bloody awful windy day....again!", in the SE it was quite a disaster...........we were lucky the death toll was so low.
I'm no meteorologist, but in my personal experience with tropical storms, it seems to me the lower categories most of the time bring more rain than hurricanes. Floods kill people too.
Quote from: Martinus on August 30, 2011, 03:06:35 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 29, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Stay classy Bachmann: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/michele-bachmann-jokes-that-god-sent-hurricane-earthquake/2011/08/29/gIQAUN6QnJ_blog.html)
Quote from: Michelle BachmannI don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."
It's just a joke. If James Carville can avoid getting his panties in a twist about it, surely you can.
I think her excuse that this is a joke is probably worse, politically, than if she was serious. Now she is joking about the death of 20 people.
That's not really that bad either. Twenty people out of a hundred million? More people probably died of hangnail-related complications that day.
The American has no stomach for casualties.
The only God's punishment for legalizing gay marriage is Michelle Bachmann.
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
The only God's punishment for legalizing gay marriage is Michelle Bachmann.
If only Pat Robertson was there. He drove off a Hurricane before.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 30, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
The only God's punishment for legalizing gay marriage is Michelle Bachmann.
If only Pat Robertson was there. He drove off a Hurricane before.
I can see why he would. If God metes out hurricanes as a punishment, it would be counter-productive to send it wherever Pat Robertson is at the moment.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 30, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
The only God's punishment for legalizing gay marriage is Michelle Bachmann.
If only Pat Robertson was there. He drove off a Hurricane before.
Pat makes WONDERFUL pancakes.
Some years ago I was hunting in Wareham, Mass. We were on a river bank not too far from where the river empties into the ocean. It was raining, normal storm, but there was a storm tide that we didn't realize. High tide came but the water kept rising fast. Pretty quickly the entire land area around us was covered in water. We used a canoe to get out of there, and that was tricky enough, being careful to keep to calmer water until we got to higher ground. Parts of the neighborhood nearby was flooded out. My friend's car was ruined due to being immersed in water. Just a mess all around. That was my introduction to how bad a storm tide could be, and this was really not a big storm, else we wouldn't have gone hunting in the first place.
Quote from: KRonn on August 30, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
Some years ago I was hunting in Wareham, Mass. We were on a river bank not too far from where the river empties into the ocean. It was raining, normal storm, but there was a storm tide that we didn't realize. High tide came but the water kept rising fast. Pretty quickly the entire land area around us was covered in water. We used a canoe to get out of there, and that was tricky enough, being careful to keep to calmer water until we got to higher ground. Parts of the neighborhood nearby was flooded out. My friend's car was ruined due to being immersed in water. Just a mess all around. That was my introduction to how bad a storm tide could be, and this was really not a big storm, else we wouldn't have gone hunting in the first place.
Did FEMA step in and help out?
Quote from: Berkut on August 30, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on August 30, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
Some years ago I was hunting in Wareham, Mass. We were on a river bank not too far from where the river empties into the ocean. It was raining, normal storm, but there was a storm tide that we didn't realize. High tide came but the water kept rising fast. Pretty quickly the entire land area around us was covered in water. We used a canoe to get out of there, and that was tricky enough, being careful to keep to calmer water until we got to higher ground. Parts of the neighborhood nearby was flooded out. My friend's car was ruined due to being immersed in water. Just a mess all around. That was my introduction to how bad a storm tide could be, and this was really not a big storm, else we wouldn't have gone hunting in the first place.
Did FEMA step in and help out?
Only if they managed to declare it a disaster area :D
The major killer from hurricanes is storm surge and flooding. Yes, Cat 5s have much bigger of both than Cat 1s, but Cat 1s are no picnic either. Especially since a lot of the northeast already had a lot of rain, and Vermont experienced lots of flooding back in the spring.
Now people are checking the measurements, and some are saying Irene was never actually a hurricane.
Edit: Wind peaked at 57 knots on Cape Hatteras. How fast does it need to be? 65?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 30, 2011, 12:16:20 PM
Now people are checking the measurements, and some are saying Irene was never actually a hurricane.
Edit: Wind peaked at 57 knots on Cape Hatteras. How fast does it need to be? 65?
No, it doesn't need to be as high as 65 knots. Just 64 knots would do.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 30, 2011, 12:16:20 PM
Now people are checking the measurements, and some are saying Irene was never actually a hurricane.
Edit: Wind peaked at 57 knots on Cape Hatteras. How fast does it need to be? 65?
The NHC uses very specific criteria for measuring hurricane winds:
QuoteThe Hurricane Center uses a 1 min averaging time for reporting the sustained (i.e. relatively long-lasting) winds. The maximum sustained wind mentioned in the advisories that NHC issues for tropical storms and hurricanes are the highest 1 min surface winds occurring within the circulation of the system. These "surface" winds are those observed (or, more often, estimated) to occur at the standard meteorological height of 10 m (33 ft) in an unobstructed exposure (i.e., not blocked by buildings or trees).
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D4.html
If Fucktard McTeaparty is measuring the winds at ground level, they're going to be much lower due to trees and houses blocking them.
When the hurricane is over the ocean, winds are measured using hurricane hunter aircraft, although I believe they also estimate them using data from satellites. The NHC does review the hurricane season's data at the end of the season and upgrade/downgrade accordingly. For example, a tropical depression in 2005 was upgrade to tropical storm status after the season review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Azores_subtropical_storm
But that happens after the end of the season. I wouldn't be surprised if Irene was reduced to a TS earlier, but it certainly was a hurricane when it first impacted the coast. It's highly unlikely NHC mistook a TS for a Cat2.
I am sure the people who lost their house care a lot whether it was a category 1 hurricane or just a very bad tropical storm.
Quote from: Zanza on August 30, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
I am sure the people who lost their house care a lot whether it was a category 1 hurricane or just a very bad tropical storm.
They actually may care for insurance reasons. If they had a policy with a hurricane deductible, and the trigger for the hurricane deductible was that the storm were at least Cat 1, then they pay a higher deductible if it was in fact a hurricane.
I know the difference between a 4.9 earthquake and a 5.0 made a lot of difference to insurance rates around here.
Quote from: Berkut on August 30, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on August 30, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
Some years ago I was hunting in Wareham, Mass. We were on a river bank not too far from where the river empties into the ocean. It was raining, normal storm, but there was a storm tide that we didn't realize. High tide came but the water kept rising fast. Pretty quickly the entire land area around us was covered in water. We used a canoe to get out of there, and that was tricky enough, being careful to keep to calmer water until we got to higher ground. Parts of the neighborhood nearby was flooded out. My friend's car was ruined due to being immersed in water. Just a mess all around. That was my introduction to how bad a storm tide could be, and this was really not a big storm, else we wouldn't have gone hunting in the first place.
Did FEMA step in and help out?
Those basties were nowhere to be found! :mad:
;)
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
Quote from: Zanza on August 30, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
I am sure the people who lost their house care a lot whether it was a category 1 hurricane or just a very bad tropical storm.
They actually may care for insurance reasons. If they had a policy with a hurricane deductible, and the trigger for the hurricane deductible was that the storm were at least Cat 1, then they pay a higher deductible if it was in fact a hurricane.
actually most property insurance will actually turn on whether it was a "named storm" thereby making it irrelevant whether it was actually a hurricane at landfall
Quote from: Rasputin on August 31, 2011, 08:04:02 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 30, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
Quote from: Zanza on August 30, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
I am sure the people who lost their house care a lot whether it was a category 1 hurricane or just a very bad tropical storm.
They actually may care for insurance reasons. If they had a policy with a hurricane deductible, and the trigger for the hurricane deductible was that the storm were at least Cat 1, then they pay a higher deductible if it was in fact a hurricane.
actually most property insurance will actually turn on whether it was a "named storm" thereby making it irrelevant whether it was actually a hurricane at landfall
Probably, but it depends on the precise language on the policy, and the requirements of insurance regulators.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 30, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
If only Pat Robertson was there. He drove off a Hurricane before.
Pat makes WONDERFUL pancakes.
He's also a terrific dancer.
Quote from: Rasputin on August 31, 2011, 08:04:02 AM
actually most property insurance will actually turn on whether it was a "named storm" thereby making it irrelevant whether it was actually a hurricane at landfall
I actually think you could have thrown in another "actually" or two. ;)
Katia is on her way. Same starting point, same trajectory, estimated at Cat 3 by Monday.
Figures. Just like a high-maintenance Russian chick, all full of herself.
Katia, Katrina.
:ph34r:
I'm handwringing for you guys.
Quote from: Habsburg on August 31, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
Katia, Katrina.
Lazy meteorologists <_<
Also a 60% chance of TS development in a low pressure in the Gulf.
I hope it hits Texas!
Quote from: KRonn on August 30, 2011, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 30, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on August 30, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
Some years ago I was hunting in Wareham, Mass. We were on a river bank not too far from where the river empties into the ocean. It was raining, normal storm, but there was a storm tide that we didn't realize. High tide came but the water kept rising fast. Pretty quickly the entire land area around us was covered in water. We used a canoe to get out of there, and that was tricky enough, being careful to keep to calmer water until we got to higher ground. Parts of the neighborhood nearby was flooded out. My friend's car was ruined due to being immersed in water. Just a mess all around. That was my introduction to how bad a storm tide could be, and this was really not a big storm, else we wouldn't have gone hunting in the first place.
Did FEMA step in and help out?
Those basties were nowhere to be found! :mad:
;)
What about MEMA? :)