I came across this on a health and fitness forum. The poster had blogged about two women's battle to be the first to weight 1000lbs. Having been over 500lbs herself and slimmed to a healthy weight, the poster felt justified in having an opinion on the matter. She received the following rather starling comment, which is quite an insight into what's going on in the mind of these self-feeders:
QuoteShannon
"I can't see how anyone could ever be truly happy that overweight... but these ladies say that they are. It has to be some mental issue..."
I think you have more to learn about yourself before you can claim to know much about these women. You freely admit that you can't see how anyone could ever be happy being so fat, and when confronted with the truth of such people you conclude they are mentally ill. You never stopped to question the thoroughness of your own perspective. People can enjoy all kinds of things that you don't care about, or even hate. You can't project your own experiences onto that of others.
I'm on a similar quest of weight gain, although not as heavy as those two and not nearly fool enough to blast my name and picture all over the media. But I'm heavy enough that I can attest to their honesty when they say they enjoy life at very high weights. I do too, and I enjoy putting weight on just as fervently as some people enjoy losing it. I'm in a scooter. I need oxygen. I need help getting up. A part of me enjoys the luxury of all the pampering I get, but that doesn't mean I don't pay my taxes like everyone else. (I work from home on IT and web development, and I guarantee you I've already paid more in taxes than many people contribute in a whole lifetime.) And a part of me misses going bicycling and walking around town, but that doesn't mean I don't get a great quality of life in my daily habits like eating, reading, conversations with friends, music, sex, the Internet, movies, and so on. What's so bad about my life? Is it that I can't run a marathon? Is it that my partner has to put his hands on me all the time to help me out? How are those bad things?
I don't exercise. I don't care to. I enjoy being unfit. It's a fetish thing. You're not being asked to empathize with it, but it's not really any different from the leather or shoes or fur or any of the other kinky stuff people come up with to satisfy themselves. I get sexual fulfillment from getting fatter, and that's worth a lot to me. If you've ever known sexual fulfillment yourself, you understand.
I know I'm not going to live forever. Who will? I'm focused on living well, not on meeting other people's expectations about what I'm supposed to be doing with my life. I am healthy for the time being. That's not a claim. That's a fact as surely as Susanne's doctor said about her in the article. I am under no delusions about the fact that for very big people like myself, sheer bulk (not fatness per se) causes a strain on the body. I've had heart problems that require me to take medication to stay healthy, and gastrointestinal problems associated with moving so much food and waste through my system, which also require medicine for me to stay healthy. With those medicines I am as healthy as the next person and have been able to continue to gain weight rapidly. Maybe you don't buy that someone who is healthy because of medicine is actually "healthy," but then we merely have a difference of agreement about word meaning and not the objective reality of the performance of my vital organs.
I can't make any claims that I'll stay healthy, but I won't. Who will? Maybe it'll happen to me sooner than to someone a few hundred pounds lighter. If that's how things turn out, leave it to me to deal with it. I am not asking for your concern. Nor is your criticism called for, or accurate, when it comes to the "burden" that fat people allegedly place on everyone else. Never mind that social welfare nets are for helping all people instead of just the ones who will use the fewest resources. And never mind that I buy private insurance and am subsidizing far more dangerous lifestyles than my own without being the least bit upset by it. And never mind that I already mentioned that I pay more than the average taxpayer because I am fortune enough to be on the higher end of the middle class. And never mind that I'm healthy today, with no indication at all of problems, making this whole line of discussion academic.
Instead, I might also remind you of that study out of the Netherlands a few years ago that discovered that obese people cost the health system less, because they live a few years shorter on average. That's right. Less. Fat people cost less. If it's really about costing money, we should all be huge. But there's also a study out just a couple weeks ago elaborating on the fact that fat itself is not a good indicator of who gets sick and who doesn't. It's other stuff, like genetics, or a roller coaster of weight gain and weight loss, or diet, or exercise, or the social stigma that fat people have to live with. That explains why a large percentage of obese people don't have more health problems than their thinner counterparts, and even live longer. Body fat seems to be an aggravating condition for a subset of the population who has existing health problems. For others, it seems to have little effect. Yet fat-bashers treat fat like a godsent allegory of shattered morality. Where's the sense in that?
Look at what those fat ladies' candor does for them: You yourself, and other people commenting here, are calling them mentally ill, suicidal, attention-seeking. I've heard it all. No self-respect. No self-discipline. Ugly. Stupid. Lazy. Smelly. "Gross." This is prejudice. Donna Simpson has gotten death threats on blogs and forums around the world (which I know because I've kept up with her story). People are totally okay with writing on the Internet their preference that human beings should be murdered for being fat.
This brutal hatred has nothing to do with the two fat women themselves, and everything to do with the people dishing out the bigotry. What makes you do it? "Mental issues"? Hah! I wouldn't dare presume. Maybe you honestly just never thought about it. Whatever the reason, you can do better. Not only are you depriving yourself of the opportunity to accept the truth, but you are actively persecuting a group of people and you don't seem to realize it. You can do so much better than that.
I'll tell you the worst thing for me about being fat: I hate being hated by people who don't know anything about me but think they know it all. I don't expect people to support my decision to be fat–real tolerance takes a long time, after all, and the fat acceptance movement is young–but I'd like it very much if folks like yourself and your gallery of commenters would think twice before making the kinds of accusations you're making.
In good will and all seriousness, I urge you to reconsider your attitude.
:blink:
Quote from: Brazen on August 24, 2011, 03:21:35 AM
Instead, I might also remind you of that study out of the Netherlands a few years ago that discovered that obese people cost the health system less, because they live a few years shorter on average. That's right. Less. Fat people cost less.
This part makes perfect sense to me. She'll probably be dead in ten years.
I really don't want to think about the sexual fulfillment bits. :x
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2011, 03:47:24 AM
This part makes perfect sense to me. She'll probably be dead in ten years.
At least she's got private healthcare. The sad fact is increasing amounts of NHS money is being wasted on people who can't put down the fork or walk to the end of the garden. Like other self-inflicted health epidemics like smoking, a lot of money has been invested in new techniques and procedures just to keep fat people alive. Bariatric surgery now seems to be the first course of action rather than diet and exercise, simply because a one-hour operation works out cheaper than months of consultancy.
QuoteI get sexual fulfillment from getting fatter, and that's worth a lot to me. If you've ever known sexual fulfillment yourself, you understand.
I guess I've never known sexual fulfillment.
QuoteInstead, I might also remind you of that study out of the Netherlands a few years ago that discovered that obese people cost the health system less, because they live a few years shorter on average. That's right. Less. Fat people cost less.
It might be true. But...the way she takes 'a study' as gospel truth and throws it in people's face like that. :bleeding:
Anyway, total freak.
Also what happens if the partner she depends on walks out and she can't find another chubby-chaser? She'll be found dead flopped out of bed and half-way to the fridge. Or toilet *shudders*
Quote from: Brazen on August 24, 2011, 04:11:37 AM
Also what happens if the partner she depends on walks out and she can't find another chubby-chaser?
There are over 41 million black people in the United States. She'll find someone.
I'd like to be a friend of the fat acceptance movement :blush:
Quote from: Monoriu on August 24, 2011, 05:37:02 AM
I'd like to be a friend of the fat acceptance movement :blush:
Yearbooks, class rings and haircuts are included. So you're out, shitbird.
It sounds like a terrific troll.
She's just an extreme case of the so-called "fat acceptance movement". Of course, if she can't go out because she's too fat and she's too self-absorbed to look around on her scooter, she won't see the look of utter contempt and disgust she'll sollicit in most people around her.
The brain, so powerful an organ, that it can convince you that sabotaging your health to the point of courting death and looking like a slob leads to happiness.
I just love that part, though:
QuoteInstead, I might also remind you of that study out of the Netherlands a few years ago that discovered that obese people cost the health system less, because they live a few years shorter on average. That's right. Less. Fat people cost less.
She's right, folks: Use up the fatties. The dead cost nothing. It would be so less burdensome for our health system if all those pesky sick people would just die off, don't ya think? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Brazen on August 24, 2011, 03:50:47 AM
At least she's got private healthcare.
doesn't really matter. Insurance company never charge the full amount one person costs. And if she got here insurance while slim, she probably still got a good rate.
The above average costs are shifted to everyone insured by that company, and other companies too, through re-insurance.
I would point out that this is in the mind of a single woman. It is not how all of the super obese justify their lifestyle, but rather how this one woman does.
Coming from a family of obese people, I can assure you that this isn't how everyone thinks. To my family at least, they live their lives, and in the process become big. They recognize that they are obese, recognize the issues inherent in that, but choose to continue to live their lives happy rather than concerned about what other people think. My family is, for the most part, healthy. In fact, my foster mother is 87 this October and has been more than 150 pounds overweight her entire life. The only medical problems she has ever had stem from her Rheumatoid Arthritis, not her obesity.
For a good chunk of my life, I put obesity in my family down to a cultural thing. It's not unusual to see families of super-obese Mexicans where I grew up. The thing is, more of them are still very healthy, even if big people. My eldest brother - who's in his 60s now - still takes care of the sick and elderly as a homecare provider, though he's been 150 pounds or more overweight most of my life. He's not on high-blood pressure medicine, doesn't have diabetes, and overall, is doing just fine.
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
Quote from: Warspite on August 24, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
It sounds like a terrific troll.
You could well be right.
Anyone else remember the 'Not The Nine O'clock News' sketch 'Stout, proud to be fat' * ?
* Unfortunately not on youtube.
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
I think people approach this on a society wide basis. There are, of course, plenty of people who exercise and eat a reasonable amount and are overweight anyway because well this is America and our food and drink tend to get us overweight and our culture in general is a sedentary one so it is not like they are moving around much just going about their business. I remember talking to a woman who ran marathons but STILL had to join weight watchers. Some people are always going to be overwieght because that is just how their body is.
But for most people they are not being responsible about their health and that is the issue. Granted it sort of sucks we have a culture where, unless you are responsible and take concious steps to prevent it, you will probably be overweight.
But really not being concerned with what other people think is just good advice for life. No matter who you are there are going to be people who disapprove of something you are doing.
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2011, 10:07:52 AM
You could well be right.
No doubt.
The whole 'I love people having to help me up' and 'fat people cost less because we die sooner!' are just too absurd.
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
Well put. 100 per cent agree.
Quote from: Josephus on August 24, 2011, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
Well put. 100 per cent agree.
Even ones who are 500 lbs and are working to get 1000 lbs? And I have never seen this assumption that skeletony thin people are healthy. I would rather see the obese than some of those anorexics. I mean we are talking about extremes in that article.
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
You can still move around and operate and even be pretty active and healthy weighing that much if you have a big frame. But humans are just not built for 500+
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 24, 2011, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
Well put. 100 per cent agree.
Even ones who are 500 lbs and are working to get 1000 lbs? And I have never seen this assumption that skeletony thin people are healthy. I would rather see the obese than some of those anorexics. I mean we are talking about extremes in that article.
Don't be a hater. Why assume someone is unhealthy just because they weigh 500 pounds, have to ride a scooter, are on oxygen and can't go to the toilet by themselves?
It's a lifestyle choice. She's listening to her rotund body, and likes the sound it makes. If the internet teaches us anything, it is that there are no invalid lifestyle choices. :D
This thread is worth more without pics!
QuoteMaybe you don't buy that someone who is healthy because of medicine is actually "healthy," but then we merely have a difference of agreement about word meaning and not the objective reality of the performance of my vital organs.
Very odd.
While I don't disagree with the basics of Meri's post, I will contest one idea.
There is no equivalence between being obese and being not obese from a health standpoint. Yes, there are unhealthy thin people and healthy fat people, true.
But being think is not in and of itself unhealthy. Being obese is in and of itself unhealthy. All things being equal, a person thinner than another person is less healthy, but on the other hand, being obese IS less healthy, all other things being equal.
Quote from: Berkut on August 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
All things being equal, a person thinner than another person is less healthy, but on the other hand, being obese IS less healthy, all other things being equal.
Obviously.
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
All things being equal, a person thinner than another person is less healthy, but on the other hand, being obese IS less healthy, all other things being equal.
Obviously.
I am not sure that is as obvious to some people as it should be...
Quote from: Lucidor on August 24, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
This thread is worth more without pics!
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Now it's worth less. :P
For people who are sexually into being morbidly obese it's not much of a choice. Sexual gratification seems to me to be a very good reason for doing something if you are a human being.
I kinda suspect it's the same attitude with a lots of conditions that could be changed. Welfarers will often say they have no choice but to be on welfare, even tough they could easily get a job that might not be their dream job. Smokers have lots of excuses to continue their filthy, disgusting habit and poisoning our lives. A drunk/addict always has good reason to keep drinking/using. Lazy people always have good reasons to avoid work.
Basically, these morbid obese fall into the same pattern as others. Making some efforts to change your lifestyle is too hard, so you find comfort in your situation. It's the easier path, and it's, well, easier...
I've become fat over the years, but it's not my fault. It's my body's fault for not digesting alcohol, chips, fries and burgers correctly. Silly body. :D
Quote from: viper37 on August 24, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
Lazy people always have good reasons to avoid work.
Not really, unless you consider "don't wanna" as a good reason(usually sufficient for me however).
Quote from: viper37 on August 24, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
I've become fat over the years, but it's not my fault. It's my body's fault for not digesting alcohol, chips, fries and burgers correctly. Silly body. :D
So you don't look like the person in your avatar anymore? :(
Quote from: viper37 on August 24, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
I kinda suspect it's the same attitude with a lots of conditions that could be changed. Welfarers will often say they have no choice but to be on welfare, even tough they could easily get a job that might not be their dream job. Smokers have lots of excuses to continue their filthy, disgusting habit and poisoning our lives. A drunk/addict always has good reason to keep drinking/using. Lazy people always have good reasons to avoid work.
Basically, these morbid obese fall into the same pattern as others. Making some efforts to change your lifestyle is too hard, so you find comfort in your situation. It's the easier path, and it's, well, easier...
I've become fat over the years, but it's not my fault. It's my body's fault for not digesting alcohol, chips, fries and burgers correctly. Silly body. :D
This gal isn't saying "it isn't my fault I'm fat" though. Quite the opposite. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 03:51:55 PMThis gal isn't saying "it isn't my fault I'm fat" though. Quite the opposite. :huh:
she's using a helluva lot of self-denial and convincing to push herself forward, though. so, i think viper's point (and the point made by some other posts here) still stands. people think up justifications for a lot of things they do, even if it's destructive behavior. just look at merithyn's post :P
Quote from: LaCroix on August 24, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
she's using a helluva lot of self-denial and convincing to push herself forward, though. so, i think viper's point (and the point made by some other posts here) still stands. people think up justifications for a lot of things they do, even if it's destructive behavior. just look at merithyn's post :P
:huh:
I'm simply saying that this woman doesn't speak for all obese people. I'm also saying that not
all obese people - even morbidly obese people - are horribly unhealthy. The assumption that they are all on scooters, oxygen, and practically life support is ridiculous.
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2011, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Warspite on August 24, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
It sounds like a terrific troll.
You could well be right.
Anyone else remember the 'Not The Nine O'clock News' sketch 'Stout, proud to be fat' * ?
* Unfortunately not on youtube.
Sounds like an Onion article.
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: viper37 on August 24, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
I've become fat over the years, but it's not my fault. It's my body's fault for not digesting alcohol, chips, fries and burgers correctly. Silly body. :D
So you don't look like the person in your avatar anymore? :(
I had a sex change in the mean time too.
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 03:51:55 PM
This gal isn't saying "it isn't my fault I'm fat" though. Quite the opposite. :huh:
She's saying she's happy with it. She's justifying her state instead of doing some effort to change.
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 04:44:27 PM
The assumption that they are all on scooters, oxygen, and practically life support is ridiculous.
without going that far, you ain't exactly in top shape either when you're overweight. Some may have exceptional physical abilities for people of their weight, but they're still in bad health compared to what you'd expect from someone with a normal weight. Having been overweight since a while now, I know I can't do mundane stuff I used to do, like biking for 20-25km, or working outside all day long.
Quote from: viper37 on August 24, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 03:51:55 PM
This gal isn't saying "it isn't my fault I'm fat" though. Quite the opposite. :huh:
She's saying she's happy with it. She's justifying her state instead of doing some effort to change.
Yes she is.
QuoteAnd a part of me misses going bicycling and walking around town, but that doesn't mean I don't get a great quality of life in my daily habits like eating, reading, conversations with friends, music, sex, the Internet, movies, and so on. What's so bad about my life?
Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 04:44:27 PMI'm simply saying that this woman doesn't speak for all obese people. I'm also saying that not all obese people - even morbidly obese people - are horribly unhealthy. The assumption that they are all on scooters, oxygen, and practically life support is ridiculous.
i thought you were saying "not all overweight people are unhealthy"? now it's
horribly unhealthy (where "they are all on scotters, oxygen, and practically life support")? i don't think anyone thinks that every single obese or morbidly obese person requires a scooter and oxygen tank. it is an unhealthy lifestyle, and just as there are those who condemn smokers, society should also refuse to accept fatties
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
I'm 5'11" and 171 lbs , am I skinny ? :unsure:
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
I'm 5'11" and 171 lbs , am I skinny ? :unsure:
Fuck yeah you are. You should be at least 190.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
Also Meri there is a pretty dramatic difference between being 150 lbs overweight and being 500+ pounds.
I would say 150 lbs overweight is dramatic enough. In my case it would be twice (!) my natural weight.
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
I'm 5'11" and 171 lbs , am I skinny ? :unsure:
Fuck yeah you are. You should be at least 190.
Not sure I'd like to carry another one and a third stone.
I'm 5'10" and 165ish. I'm not that skinny.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
I'm just 5'7".
I'm not skinny either (go to the gym 2 or 3 times a week). I'm only skinny when my illness flares up. I've been all the way down to 116 lbs, after a particularly bad one.
As said she is gross but it must be said....past a certain point maybe its just in for a penny in for a pound?
They`re never gonna be fit and healthy...so why not aim for being THE fattest.
I weighed my self when sorting out my bags for Japan, I weigh more like 90 than the top 70s these days. I is teh fat.
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
You are a 150 lbs?
How tall are you?
4'5"?
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
I'm just 5'7".
I'm not skinny either (go to the gym 2 or 3 times a week). I'm only skinny when my illness flares up. I've been all the way down to 116 lbs, after a particularly bad one.
..Hot? :unsure:
What illness?
Crohn's.
a year ago, after dating a fat chick for six months, i had fattened up myself to a disgusting 155-160. now i've lost that weight and am probably 150. 6'2" :P
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Quote from: merithyn on August 24, 2011, 10:03:53 AM
The assumption that all obese people like being catered to, are horribly ill due to their weight, and are overall just selfish people is ridiculous. Just as not all thin people are healthy, not all overweight people are unhealthy.
Ok, I'm gonna say what other people seem to be beating around the bush about: YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
And yeah, smoking people do not always get cancer, and there are people who never smoke and die of cancer. That does not mean that smoking isn't bad for you. :frusty:
Oh and btw, yes, obesity is a cultural thing. Specifically, it means you are white trash. :hug:
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
That's right. You are overweight according to BMI. Might be your muscles, might be your beer belly. :P
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
Yeah. I'm 6' and 175 pounds and I would like to lose some weight.
Quote from: Zanza on August 25, 2011, 01:57:15 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
That's right. You are overweight according to BMI. Might be your muscles, might be your beer belly. :P
Could be the belly, those sips of Coors Light add up.
Quote from: DGuller on August 25, 2011, 02:00:07 AM
Quote from: Zanza on August 25, 2011, 01:57:15 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Im 5'11" and I weight 195, and I am definitively not skinny.
That's right. You are overweight according to BMI. Might be your muscles, might be your beer belly. :P
Could be the belly, those sips of Coors Light add up.
He could also be sculpted - carrying all these carcasses to Palestinian wells must have worked like a dumb bell exercise.
Quote from: Iormlund on August 24, 2011, 08:04:55 PM
Crohn's.
Sucks. :( Autoimmune diseases suck in general. I have the autoimmune prostatitis, and it's a pain in the ass.
5'8 and 151 pounds. I could drop a few pounds.
Quote from: Lucidor on August 24, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
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From my favourite publication, the Daily Wail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026964/Susanne-Emans-bid-worlds-fattest-woman-52st-mother-2-supersizing.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026964/Susanne-Emans-bid-worlds-fattest-woman-52st-mother-2-supersizing.html)
As regards obesity and health, I was borderline obese when I did the Marathon. I did an awful time and suffered, but I had healthy blood pressure, and blood sugar and cholesterol levels, though my lung function was rubbish with exercise-induced asthma.
As I'd approaching a healthy weight again, I run much further and faster without discomfort, recover quicker and don't need my asthma inhaler. Not to mention I can fit into smaller clothes, not go "Oof!" when I bend over to put my shoes on and get up the stairs without sweating.
Healthy is relative. There's no doubt at all I'm far healthier now.
Quote from: Brazen on August 25, 2011, 04:12:17 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on August 24, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
This thread is worth more without pics!
Your wish is my command!
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From my favourite publication, the Daily Wail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026964/Susanne-Emans-bid-worlds-fattest-woman-52st-mother-2-supersizing.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026964/Susanne-Emans-bid-worlds-fattest-woman-52st-mother-2-supersizing.html)
I would like to order a McDumster, super sized, with a diet coke please.... :lmfao:
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If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 25, 2011, 12:42:51 AMimg]http://www.mongabay.com/images/peru/manu/Manu_1022_1661.JPG[/img]
doubtful. i've been told i'm not as skinny as some of the twigs i see around, the ones who look like they're anorexic
@timmay: languish should do an experiment to find out. if a 500lb chick was pushed over and rolled into a van, how could she ever stop it? :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Not that much. She can't run or hide, so in any situation extreme enough to require fasting for months on end she would end up as food for leaner, faster animals (including other humans).
Quote from: Martinus on August 25, 2011, 01:53:57 AM
Ok, I'm gonna say what other people seem to be beating around the bush about: YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
And yeah, smoking people do not always get cancer, and there are people who never smoke and die of cancer. That does not mean that smoking isn't bad for you. :frusty:
Oh and btw, yes, obesity is a cultural thing. Specifically, it means you are white trash. :hug:
And you're an ignorant dick. What's your point?
I didn't say it was ideal. At the same time, I don't hold the insane bigotry against obese people that many here seem to. I don't really care one way or another what people weigh, so long as they're happy. Why should I care beyond that? It's not really any of my business, is it?
As for your attempt at an insult, the culture I was speaking of was Mexican, not white. My white family is - for the most part - relatively average sized, meaning within 15-20 pounds of their "ideal" weight. But good try there, Spanky.
Marty is fat, isn't he. He looks fat.
Quote from: merithyn on August 25, 2011, 08:00:50 AM
And you're an ignorant dick. What's your point?
Ah Marty, spreading that goodwill.
Quote from: merithyn on August 25, 2011, 08:00:50 AMWhy should I care beyond that? It's not really any of my business, is it?
do you feel the same toward smokers, stoners, and alcholics? and it can typically become a problem in regard to their offspring. many obese parents i see waddling around have chubby children; poor bastards never had a chance at a real life. they are the real victims, and mommy and daddy are to blame
@raz: from the pic i've seen, he does not look fat at all :mellow:
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
@raz: from the pic i've seen, he does not look fat at all :mellow:
Raz has to compulsively insult Marty in every thread he posts in.
What the fuck do I care about 'healthy weight'? I'm married, comfortable, I can engage in sports and other active passtimes without discomfort, and I'm not a model or an actor. Why in the hell would I care about my belly? That just means that my wife loves me enough to feed me well.
I think that the key thing to take away from this thread is that Martinus is stupid and unworthy of life.
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2011, 08:13:49 AMRaz has to compulsively insult Marty in every thread he posts in.
i know, i was just shooting it down. i mean, really, does he not realize that it makes him no better than the person he thinks martinus is? no one else stalks posters to the degree he does (excepting hvc toward ed, ofc). imo, it's kinda creepy
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago. I said that as long as you get water you should be alive for a long time, with a caveat about possible trace element shortages or similar which I know very little about that could come into play at extreme fat reserves. Otherwise what would be the point of storing fat? Other mammals are known to be able to fast for months even while active. I don't remember ever hearing about a person dying from starvation while still having significant body fat.
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
@raz: from the pic i've seen, he does not look fat at all :mellow:
Raz has to compulsively insult Marty in every thread he posts in.
It's for his own good. I'm helping him.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 25, 2011, 08:47:03 AMI'm helping him.
let's pretend you're not trolling again, as it's pretty obvious you hate the dude (and slargos), and this is at least the second time you've recently claimed this while earlier you were adamant about how you only ever attack martinus when he says something dumb. how is it helping him?
Quote from: The Brain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago
That's an interesting way of putting it.
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2011, 08:13:49 AMRaz has to compulsively insult Marty in every thread he posts in.
i know, i was just shooting it down. i mean, really, does he not realize that it makes him no better than the person he thinks martinus is? no one else stalks posters to the degree he does (excepting hvc toward ed, ofc). imo, it's kinda creepy
If you side with Martinus, you'll be counted amongst him when The People finally rise up and pass judgement on him.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 25, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: The Brain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago
That's an interesting way of putting it.
:blurgh:
Quote from: The Brain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago. I said that as long as you get water you should be alive for a long time, with a caveat about possible trace element shortages or similar which I know very little about that could come into play at extreme fat reserves. Otherwise what would be the point of storing fat? Other mammals are known to be able to fast for months even while active. I don't remember ever hearing about a person dying from starvation while still having significant body fat.
Based on what happened to my son before he was diagnosed with diabetes, I think burning fat cells raises the acidity of the blood. It's called ketoacidosis. I don't know for certain, though, if it is a danger for simple fasting in a non-diabetic.
Quote from: The Brain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago. I said that as long as you get water you should be alive for a long time, with a caveat about possible trace element shortages or similar which I know very little about that could come into play at extreme fat reserves. Otherwise what would be the point of storing fat? Other mammals are known to be able to fast for months even while active. I don't remember ever hearing about a person dying from starvation while still having significant body fat.
With fat available your body will cannibalize a lot less protein, but you'll still run out eventually. I've been up to 3 weeks without much sustenance, starting at maybe 5 to 10 kg over ideal weight. In the end I shed a tremendous amount of muscle and pretty much all visible fat, somewhat less than 20 kg loss in total.
With sufficient water but no food, the body will start to burn the fat, but also the muscle mass and the organs pretty quickly for energy, and the person will be emaciated within weeks. Humans don't have the ability to slow their metabolism to a crawl like some hibernating animals can do.
The body doesn't pick its energy and protein exclusively from the fat, but from the muscles as well. That is why "cutting" involves slightly decreasing calories into a deficit (to force the body to break down cells to keep up in energy) coupled with resistance training (to secrete growth hormones for the muscles to slow the loss of muscle mass). Otherwise, the person would lose fat AND muscle mass.
People won't die from starvation while having body fat, the body won't allow it. What kills people off quickly is either dehydration or organ failure (when reaching a emaciated state).
Quote from: Neil on August 25, 2011, 08:25:53 AM
What the fuck do I care about 'healthy weight'? I'm married, comfortable, I can engage in sports and other active passtimes without discomfort, and I'm not a model or an actor. Why in the hell would I care about my belly? That just means that my wife loves me enough to feed me well.
I think that the key thing to take away from this thread is that Martinus is stupid and unworthy of life.
I <3 you, Neil. :hug:
Eating away at muscle...hmm....that`s an OK sacrifice, they can be trained up again.
But eating away at organs? eww.... :x
Quote from: Maximus on August 25, 2011, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: The Brain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 25, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
If one kept hydrated I wonder how long you could fast before keeling over with that weight? :hmm:
Yes someone wanted to discuss this with me some time ago. I said that as long as you get water you should be alive for a long time, with a caveat about possible trace element shortages or similar which I know very little about that could come into play at extreme fat reserves. Otherwise what would be the point of storing fat? Other mammals are known to be able to fast for months even while active. I don't remember ever hearing about a person dying from starvation while still having significant body fat.
Based on what happened to my son before he was diagnosed with diabetes, I think burning fat cells raises the acidity of the blood. It's called ketoacidosis. I don't know for certain, though, if it is a danger for simple fasting in a non-diabetic.
Wait.
What?
Your son?
Max - would you care to share a story with the class?
Or do you mean one of Meri's kids (and not to denigrate you or him if you call him 'your son' - thats great if you do).
:)
Quote from: Razgovory on August 25, 2011, 08:47:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
@raz: from the pic i've seen, he does not look fat at all :mellow:
Raz has to compulsively insult Marty in every thread he posts in.
It's for his own good. I'm helping him.
It's alright. I stopped insulting you as much as I did in the past as I don't want to be blamed when you finally kill yourself. :hug:
Quote from: Neil on August 25, 2011, 08:25:53 AM
What the fuck do I care about 'healthy weight'? I'm married, comfortable, I can engage in sports and other active passtimes without discomfort, and I'm not a model or an actor. Why in the hell would I care about my belly? That just means that my wife loves me enough to feed me well.
I think that the key thing to take away from this thread is that Martinus is stupid and unworthy of life.
Yeah, I can get behind that.
I'm 5' 10" tall & just weighed myself at 174 lbs -- which is honestly the least I've weighed in 20 years. Some people might say that this is A Good Thing, but given that this is a direct result of getting laid off of my cushy office job a couple of years ago & having to bust my ass at suck-ass factory jobs to put a roof over my kids' heads, clothes on their backs & food on the table until I find something better, I don't take any kind of pride in the weight loss at all. If I find another Big Kid Job next week I can about guarantee that I'll put 20 lbs back on in three months & not give a flying fuck.
Is Obesity a health issue? Undoubtedly. But if Obesity ranks in the Top 5 of your worries then you're a fucktard -- either for letting it get bad enough for you to *HAVE* to worry about it or because there's something else wrong with you that causes you to obsess over it. Or something...
:ccr
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 25, 2011, 08:47:03 AMI'm helping him.
let's pretend you're not trolling again, as it's pretty obvious you hate the dude (and slargos), and this is at least the second time you've recently claimed this while earlier you were adamant about how you only ever attack martinus when he says something dumb. how is it helping him?
I don't actually hate him. Marty suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. We had a thread on this a while back. I feel very sorry for him, so I am doing my best to help him. By berating Marty at every opportunity I hope to rid him of his illusionary feeling of superiority and self-importance. Also insulting Marty is really, really easy and I'm lazy. I've never been one to shy away from reaching for the low hanging fruit. And Marty is nothing if not a low hanging fruit.
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 26, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
Is Obesity a health issue? Undoubtedly. But if Obesity ranks in the Top 5 of your worries then you're a fucktard -- either for letting it get bad enough for you to *HAVE* to worry about it or because there's something else wrong with you that causes you to obsess over it. Or something...
:ccr
Well said
Quote from: Razgovory on August 26, 2011, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on August 25, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 25, 2011, 08:47:03 AMI'm helping him.
let's pretend you're not trolling again, as it's pretty obvious you hate the dude (and slargos), and this is at least the second time you've recently claimed this while earlier you were adamant about how you only ever attack martinus when he says something dumb. how is it helping him?
I don't actually hate him. Marty suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. We had a thread on this a while back. I feel very sorry for him, so I am doing my best to help him. By berating Marty at every opportunity I hope to rid him of his illusionary feeling of superiority and self-importance. Also insulting Marty is really, really easy and I'm lazy. I've never been one to shy away from reaching for the low hanging fruit. And Marty is nothing if not a low hanging fruit.
All right, that's very good.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 26, 2011, 10:35:11 AMI don't actually hate him. Marty suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. We had a thread on this a while back. I feel very sorry for him, so I am doing my best to help him. By berating Marty at every opportunity I hope to rid him of his illusionary feeling of superiority and self-importance. Also insulting Marty is really, really easy and I'm lazy. I've never been one to shy away from reaching for the low hanging fruit. And Marty is nothing if not a low hanging fruit.
of course you hate him, because you insult him in every other thread, following him everywhere. your insults, more often than not, are simply out of the blue, usually retarded and stale, and are carried to schizo extremes. you lie about what people have said, in the case of at least slargos and martinus, in previous posts. i mean, the whole "norway left sweden and sweden did nothing about it! LOL sweden suxx" troll was just.. embarrassing
this whole "martinus has a narcissistic personality disorder and i'm helping him because i'm a good fellow" is another troll. i mean, i suppose you might actually believe it, being insane and all, but i mean
come-on. martinus may be many things, but having a narcissistic disorder is highly unlikely. where do you even come up with this shit, anyway? the occasional marti post where the hypochondriac wonders if he has an actual disorder of narcissism? the online psychology tests he takes and posts? are you that stupid?
insulting you, raz, is very, very easy--arguably more than marti--and yet few do it. everyone piles shit onto martinus and slargos, but you more than anyone on this forum (including neil toward marti) seem to actually
hate them. it is disturbing
Quote from: LaCroix on August 27, 2011, 03:21:29 AM
everyone piles shit onto martinus and slargos,
:lol:
No more than they pile shit onto everyone else.
You want a real "victim" on the forum, it's Tim. And arguably Siege.
I avoid being insulting on the forum. This is just good manners.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2011, 04:46:19 AM:lol:
No more than they pile shit onto everyone else.
You want a real "victim" on the forum, it's Tim. And arguably Siege.
really? people pile shit onto malthus, minsky, cdm, neil, norgy, mery, anger, etc.. etc..? as much as on slargos and especially martinus? i wasn't saying those two were the only "victims" of this forum. i can certainly see why tim, siege, martinus, and slargos receive the shit they are given, but few obsessively stalk posters to the extent raz does. that is my point, one that apparently went over your head :(
edit: and it's strange you seem to think i meant that marti and slargos are the only two who receive shit on this forum... this
is languish after all. the thing is, most aren't actually
serious about the shit they fling. it's a part of their shtick, or just-what-they-do. for all the comments pdh/anger make, i really doubt they actually hate the individual behind the timmay posts
By "they" I was referring to Slargos and Martinus, not the forum population as a whole. You get what you give.
And no(:rolleyes:) your point about Raz didn't go over my head. It simply wasn't the point I was taking issue with.
LaCroix has made The List.
Quote from: LaCroix on August 27, 2011, 03:21:29 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 26, 2011, 10:35:11 AMI don't actually hate him. Marty suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. We had a thread on this a while back. I feel very sorry for him, so I am doing my best to help him. By berating Marty at every opportunity I hope to rid him of his illusionary feeling of superiority and self-importance. Also insulting Marty is really, really easy and I'm lazy. I've never been one to shy away from reaching for the low hanging fruit. And Marty is nothing if not a low hanging fruit.
of course you hate him, because you insult him in every other thread, following him everywhere. your insults, more often than not, are simply out of the blue, usually retarded and stale, and are carried to schizo extremes. you lie about what people have said, in the case of at least slargos and martinus, in previous posts. i mean, the whole "norway left sweden and sweden did nothing about it! LOL sweden suxx" troll was just.. embarrassing
this whole "martinus has a narcissistic personality disorder and i'm helping him because i'm a good fellow" is another troll. i mean, i suppose you might actually believe it, being insane and all, but i mean come-on. martinus may be many things, but having a narcissistic disorder is highly unlikely. where do you even come up with this shit, anyway? the occasional marti post where the hypochondriac wonders if he has an actual disorder of narcissism? the online psychology tests he takes and posts? are you that stupid?
insulting you, raz, is very, very easy--arguably more than marti--and yet few do it. everyone piles shit onto martinus and slargos, but you more than anyone on this forum (including neil toward marti) seem to actually hate them. it is disturbing
I respond in kind. That's my slogan on Languish. If Slargos goes on about mud people, I post something about Swedish cabinet Nazis living in Norway. If Marty posts something stupid, I insult him. There are only 50 of us here posting regularly on Languish anymore, so we run across each other a lot. Perhaps that looks like stalking to you. Do you consider it stalking when you run into the same people everyday in your place of business? The only person I really dislike is Grallon whom I find loathsome.
Quote from: Neil on August 27, 2011, 06:50:53 AM
LaCroix has made The List.
I just wonder who pissed in his Cheerios. Marty and Slargos are big boys, they don't need defending.
CLEAR TEH AIRE
For the record, I have issues with that Maximus guy and that Alcibades guy. Beyond that, there is no one here that chaps my hide. :sleep:
Why Alci?
I bet Marty has read this and is pleased that we derailed another thread to talk about him. Though he probably wouldn't care for the idea that a thread on the morbidly obese naturally shifted to him.
If I really don't like someone, I'll just ignore them. In a passive aggressive way.
Raz............"I respond in kind"...........you are therefore allowing other people to set the agenda.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 05:06:09 PM
Raz............"I respond in kind"...........you are therefore allowing other people to set the agenda.
That's okay. I'm not exactly pro-active. It is better then my older slogan of "I respond randomly and sometimes violently".