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Title: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 17, 2009, 12:39:21 PM
This is pretty sad.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.html





Edit: I always thought that train station looked like some monstrous Soviet edifice. The Detroit Palace of Culture.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Brain on March 17, 2009, 12:44:01 PM
Fucking cool.

Detroit needs to be destroyed. For universal failure.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 17, 2009, 12:54:03 PM
Some quick notes on the picture

Michigan Central Station was in the Transformers movie  :)  That's the prime area for urban spelunkers and graffiti artists.  They've been just about to refurbish it as long as I've lived in Detroit, but nothing ever gets done.

Before the Automobile era Brush Park was millionaire's row.  There are only a couple houses standing now; it's mostly gone back to an empty field.

The Catholic Schools are actually starting to make a comeback as more Hispanics move into the city.

The David Broderick Tower is one of the two skyscrapers on the edge of Woodward (our main street) right as you enter the core downtown.  Both are abandoned.

Detroit has a number of old movie palaces.  Today there are 3 movie theaters operating in the entire city; only the one located at the Detroit Institute of Arts is from that era; the other two are modern movie-plexes.  A couple of the others have been converted, one is now the opera house and a couple others are music venues.

The Packard Plant is a mile long and several blocks wide.  Right now there is one tennant in the entire place.  Ownership is disputed between the city and a private holding firm, and right now the place is crumbling.

I don't know anything about the Lee Plaza Hotel.  One of our old luxury hotels, the Book-Cadilac recently reopened; just in time for the auto industry to fall apart.

Detroit has a shrinking population, school of choice and vouchers for charter schools so there have been a dozens of school closings throught the past several years.  There probably will be many more in the next couple years as Detroit Public Schools are nearly half a billion dollars in the red.





Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on March 17, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
Anyone else think that broken down dentist chair looked like a robot?  :-\
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Brain on March 17, 2009, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on March 17, 2009, 12:54:35 PM
Anyone else think that broken down dentist chair looked like a robot?  :-\

No.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: derspiess on March 17, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
Sad but fascinating.  I go back to that forgottendetroit.com site from time to time.  Those old abandoned buildings are creepy.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 17, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Detroit should be turned into the military's urban combat training center.  At least something good would come out of that shit hole.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on March 17, 2009, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 17, 2009, 12:59:03 PM

Your lack of imagination is unsurprising. :p
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DGuller on March 17, 2009, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 17, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Detroit should be turned into the military's urban combat training center.  At least something good would come out of that shit hole.
Just move out the residents beforehand.  We wouldn't want our men in uniform be massacred during training.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 18, 2009, 02:13:54 PM
 :(

QuoteLegendary Detroit jazz club Baker's tries to stay open
Business down, bills up
BY MARK STRYKER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • March 18, 2009

Baker's Keyboard Lounge, the legendary Detroit jazz club at Livernois and 8 Mile, might be taking its final chorus.

Owner John Colbert said on Tuesday that without a significant uptick in business, he has only enough money and wherewithal to keep the club afloat for about two months. His major goal is to keep the doors open through the club's 75th anniversary in early May.

Business is off 35% to 40% in the last nine months, Colbert said, and a combination of factors -- the recession, road construction on Livernois, parking issues and a dramatic hike in the club's water bill -- have conspired to bring Baker's to the brink of extinction.

"Nobody gets rich running a jazz club, but in the 13 years since I've owned the place, we've never experienced anything like this," Colbert said.

Baker's has been integral to Detroit's cultural identity as a jazz mecca for so long, it's hard for musicians, aficionados and even casual fans to conceive of the city without it.

If metro Detroiters have been to one jazz club, it's likely been Baker's. With its hipster vibe, cozy banquets, art deco decor, rich history and bebop soundtrack, Baker's has long been regarded as the Platonic ideal of a jazz club.

The club, which opened in 1934, runs neck and neck with the Village Vanguard in New York for the title of world's oldest jazz club. Down Beat, a leading jazz magazine, routinely names Baker's on its list of the 100 great jazz clubs worldwide.

"It's like the Alamo in a sense -- it's the last real jazz club standing in Detroit," said Jim Gallert, a die-hard fan and historian of local jazz.

'Like working at Carnegie Hall'
There are other spots that showcase jazz in metro Detroit, including Bert's Marketplace, Cliff Bell's, Dirty Dog Jazz Cafe, Music Hall's Jazz Cafe and the Firefly Club, but Baker's legacy and longevity make it unique.

The club became a fixture on the national scene beginning in the 1950s under the leadership of former owner Clarence Baker. Jazz greats like John Coltrane, Oscar Peterson, Dizzy Gillespie, Dave Brubeck and Ella Fitzgerald were regulars, and performing at Baker's has long been a rite of passage for local musicians.


"When you work there, it's almost like working at Carnegie Hall because of who else has played there," trumpeter Johnny Trudell said. The Detroit veteran will lead a jam session on May 3 to raise money for the club during the anniversary celebration May 1-4.

Colbert, 62, bought the place in 1996 from Clarence Baker and, with the help of partner Juanita Jackson, found a winning formula. Jackson reintroduced the kitchen and a stylish soul food menu, and Colbert instituted a mostly local and regional music policy, eliminating cover charges during the week and keeping them low on the weekend, and never wavering from a commitment to traditional acoustic jazz.

The joint packed them in for years, but business has soured. Colbert said median construction on Livernois, which has angered neighborhood residents and business owners, makes it difficult for customers to get to Baker's. Worse, he said, the project eliminated convenient street parking in front of the club.

"It's just killed my lunch and happy hour business," he said.

Soaring notes, soaring bills
On another front, Colbert said his water rates skyrocketed after the city replaced a broken meter and began charging for actual usage instead of an estimated cost. The city also imposed a $27,000 retroactive charge, which meant that his monthly payment, including servicing his debt, has increased from $800 to $1,800. Colbert said he was denied a hearing to contest the charges.

George Ellenwood, a spokesman for the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department, said he did not have immediate access to Baker's records Tuesday but that a retroactive charge of such size "would not be inconceivable" for a business but would be surprising.

"It's certainly a matter that needs to be looked into," he said.

Colbert has owned the club and accompanying real estate outright since paying off the mortgage in 2001. He said the recession is keeping neighborhood patrons at home, and weekend surges are not great enough to cover losses sustained on weekdays.

Colbert has cut back on costs by using younger musicians and eliminating larger ensembles in favor of compact trios and the like. He's added a weekly comedy night and included more blues and popular genres into his mix. He said he had resisted raising prices because he knows his clientele is hurting, too.

"Business just needs to take a turn in the other direction and we can survive," Colbert said. "Maybe somebody will buy it from me and continue the tradition, but I can't continue with the anxiety of not knowing whether I have to be the person to turn the lights out. I don't want to be the one to do that."

The Village Vanguard opened the year before Baker's, but it wasn't exclusively a jazz club for a couple years later.  This is why Baker's claims to be the oldest jazz club in the world.  Not that it matters, generally you'll see a higher caliber of talent at the Village Vanguard than you would at Baker's.  Detroit has long had a vibrant jazz scene; (Motown's house band, The Funk Brothers, was almost entirely composed of local jazz talent,) but New York City is the American Mecca for jazz.

My Grandparents went to Baker's when they were young.  It still has the look and feel of a 30s Jazz Club (just like the Village Vanguard, in fact.)  I hope they can save this one, but this being Detroit I'm not optimistic.  The worst part of it is that nothing new will move in (unless it turns into a crack house) it'll just be another abandoned building.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 20, 2009, 01:38:26 PM
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/detroitcityhallinsider/index.php (http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/detroitcityhallinsider/index.php)

Here is a link for the Detroit News blog of people who cover city hall.  There's a lot of mundane articles, but there is the occasionaly a gem like the following exchange between Monica Conyers and Foolish from the WJLB morning show:

QuoteFriday, she got into it with CoCo, Foolish and Mr. Chase when she called WJLB FM 98 to talk about her stance on Cobo Center. It was the day after a Cobo discussion in council chambers, when Conyer's colleague Barbara-Rose Collins gave an impassioned 17-minute speech that took on suburban leaders and global imperialism, followed by singing "Onward Christian Soldiers."

Here are highlights from the interview that immediately took a bad turn when Foolish asked Conyers about the meeting:

Foolish: What the hell is wrong with the rest of the City Council members? How can we have meetings publicly televised all over the world where people are singing and getting into it with each other, and you are the leader? They sound immature. They sound like grown folks who are confused.

Conyers: Why is it you always have to attack the black people of Detroit?

Foolish: What do you mean, black people? We are attacking the ignorant.

Conyers: Why we gotta be ignorant? We don't call you ignorant.

Foolish: My job is to be ignorant. You all's job is to be what?

Conyers: Our job is to be human. That's our job.

You're doing a great job at that, Monica.  The impersonation is so good it's almost convincing.   :o

WJLB is a hip hop station and the three morning DJs, Foolish, Mr. Chase and Coco are all black.  I don't listen to their show; but I would doubt they regularly attack the black people of Detroit.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: saskganesh on March 21, 2009, 12:15:21 AM
maybe its because they are not "black" enough?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DisturbedPervert on March 21, 2009, 12:25:18 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 17, 2009, 12:39:21 PM
This is pretty sad.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.html





Edit: I always thought that train station looked like some monstrous Soviet edifice. The Detroit Palace of Culture.

Looks like post colonial sub saharan Africa.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 21, 2009, 07:45:56 AM
La Mort des Pauvres:

QuoteThe last sad days of the Detroit man found frozen
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- Johnnie Redding's body had not even been put in its grave before another man had moved into his house.

This was an outrage, and one of Johnnie's friends threatened to evict the interloper by force. Even the people of the rough and raw streets have their law. Johnnie's friend pounded on the door of the little A-frame wigwam, made of felt and perched on top of an abandoned garage. The wigwam had a framed window and a chimney. It had a river view and a garden.

The interloper cowered inside.

"You's probably the one who killed Johnnie," Johnnie's friend barked at the plank-board door, alcohol vapors tumbling from his mouth. "You killed Johnnie and now you sleeping in his bed! You bes' be gone by sundown."

Of course, Johnnie's friend would not return at sundown, what with the small matter of scrounging up a dinner and another pint of vodka. The interloper would still be sleeping in the wigwam. And by the time the sun had set, there would be no more reminders that Johnnie walked these streets.

Johnnie Redding died of a cocaine overdose, coroners said Wednesday. It was the final word on a man whose death might have gone unnoticed.

His body was found at the bottom of an open elevator shaft last month, encased in ice, only his legs jutting out. Adding to the surreal picture was a pillow that gently propped up his left foot, dressed in a clean white sock and shoe with fresh laces. He looked almost peaceful.

The photograph of Johnnie would make its way around the world, along with the details that many knew his cadaver was down there but did little, if anything, about it. City boosters complained it was another case of the media focusing on the bad in a city with many wonderful qualities.

Except that Johnnie was found in a gaping elevator shaft owned by a local billionaire in a city with tens of thousands of abandoned buildings. And still, some of these decaying buildings keep people alive. Almost 20,000 homeless people drift through the streets of Detroit, meaning that one in 47 here is without a bed, according to the Homeless Management Information System, which tracks people who seek services. With too few shelter beds and too little money to help the walking poor, places like the crumbling warehouse where Johnnie was found have become the de facto shelters.

"People accept it, and it is not normal," said Durene L. Brown, the Detroit ombudsman. "It's not normal for a child to walk out of her house and see all these abandoned buildings and blight. It's not normal for a man to be frozen at the bottom of an elevator shaft.

"City officials must drive around with their windows tinted too dark."

Johnnie's last moments

Johnnie killed himself. His autopsy revealed no broken bones, no wounds and no water in his lungs, which means he did not fall into the flooded shaft and drown. Most likely, Johnnie was smoking cocaine with somebody and died, coroners suspect. Johnnie's party pal may have panicked and tossed his body down the water-filled shaft.

"Last year, a man overdosed and his colleagues stuffed him in a suitcase, put him in an SUV and lit it on fire," Dr. Carl J. Schmidt, Wayne County's chief medical examiner. "The point is there are people out there like that. The way a member of society dies is a reflection of the way society lives."


His given name was Johnnie Lewis Redding. But his street name was Johnnie Dollar. He was described by people who knew him on the street as a consummate hustler, a pool shark, a block captain who liked a little liquor and a little cocaine. He took handouts and mission food, but he didn't walk around with his hat in his hand and he didn't get Social Security.

Johnnie, 56, painted houses. Johnnie hustled pool tables from Ann Arbor to southwest Detroit. When he was low on money, he would sort clothing at the Most Holy Trinity rectory for $10. Sometimes, the church would give him charity bus tickets that he would turn around and sell.

"He didn't have to be out on the streets, but the street life is an adrenaline rush," said Dennis Mugridge, the church's outreach director. "If this was the 1800s, Johnnie would have been a mountain man."

Johnnie came to Most Holy Trinity four years ago asking for money to help pay for his pain medication after having all his teeth removed. Mugridge last saw him in November.

"He wanted bus fare to get out of town," Mugridge remembered. "I wouldn't give it to him. I regret it now."

A rough place
Detroit is a hard place to be homeless. There is little milk, little honey and little sun. Johnnie may have been frozen in the shaft for more than a month, but nobody knew he was missing except the homeless men who had been living next to the shaft, who figured someone else had called the authorities.

Johnnie moved around. When he grew weary of the street life, when his body began to shut down, Johnnie would go home to relatives and dry out. To get himself right, he liked to say. He stayed with his brother, Homer, in River Rouge. He stayed with his sister in Atlanta for six months last year and then, feeling the itch, he came back to Detroit in September and got lost again.

"He promised he'd be back," said his niece, Tanya Coleman of Atlanta. "I said, 'Uncle you ain't coming back.' He said, 'Yes I am. I'm just going up to get an ID then I'll be back, I promise.' I knew he wasn't."

So Johnnie came back to Michigan to get his driver's license straightened out, with every intention of returning to Georgia. But like a moth to the light, Johnnie gravitated to the corner near Happy liquor store on Fort Street, hanging around with his friends who call themselves the Bus Stop Boys. Wearing a trench coat and with his pockets bulging, Johnnie passed out $10 bills to his friends and told them to buy themselves beer. "That's why we called him Johnnie Dollar," said Delaney Windom. "He was one of the good ones."

Johnnie Dollar did not have to be on the streets, said those who knew him. "It's the only place he could be hisself," Windom said.

That's one way to put it. "At some point in his life, he didn't want to work anymore," said his brother, Homer. "He got laid off from the steel plant about 15 years ago and that was it. But he wasn't homeless. Too many people loved him."

What homelessness is, is a matter of opinion. The Department of Housing and Urban Development defines it as anyone living in a shelter or on the streets. HUD estimates there are 700,000 homeless people in America, but federal dollars finance fewer than 200,000 beds. The U.S. Department of Education counts homeless children as those who live doubled up in another family's home or in motels. In 2007, they counted almost 700,000 homeless children, one-third living in shelters or outdoors. The Wayne County Medical Examiner considers a homeless person to have no permanent address -- which includes Johnnie. Jerry Davis, one of the Bus Stop Boys, put it like this: "Homeless means nobody wants you no more. So you can't consider Johnnie homeless."

Except that Johnnie did consider himself homeless. He was given a meal on Oct. 25 by the Ark Foundation, an outreach program run by former drug addicts and homeless people. In exchange for the meal, he had to sign his name, age and address in a manifest. On line number seven, in shaky block lettering he wrote: Johnnie Redding, 56, Homless.

Homer almost cried when he saw Johnnie's signature. "I don't know why he said that. He was a person. He was a person. He was a person."

Perhaps 300 people came to Johnnie's memorial service Saturday, including Mimi, one of the Bus Stop Boys. It was paid for by an insurance policy left on his life by his mother, Orlene. She suspected something like this might happen, Homer said. She did not want her children drifting around the Earth in death. "She seen too much in life," Homer said.

In the end, Johnnie was buried in Westland in a box that was more expensive than anything he owned in life.

And back at his wigwam, the tenant opened the door a crack. "Nothing's permanent," he said. "We all end up in a box. What do you think this is?"

Johnnie, it turns out, did not live in the wigwam anymore, since the new man had claimed it while he was away. Finders keepers: That, too, is the law of the street.

So Johnnie built himself another abode of wood and tarpaulin in the culvert below. Near his pillow were two silk neckties and a book: "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer."
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 28, 2009, 06:43:46 AM
QuoteCity Hall has phone hangups

A certain City Council member borrows her grandchild's telephone when she makes confidential calls. Political consultant Adolph Mongo keeps hearing, "Don't go to (a downtown restaurant) because the whole place is bugged."

Maybe they've watched too many episodes of "The Wire" or read a couple of hundred too many lurid mayoral SkyTel text messages. Maybe, as Christine Beatty's lawyer Mayer Morganroth contends, Detroit's political players are merely exercising due diligence "because you have to always treat the telephone as if it were (bugged.)"

Or maybe there really is a wire under that plate of lasagna.

Exercising caution
From elite downtown law firms to City Hall corridors, the vogue for verbal caution is more pronounced than at any time since the height of the Coleman A. Young era, when jurors strained to understand fuzzy telephone recordings played in another era's sludge-hauling contractor scandal.

On Friday, Sam Riddle -- the Detroit political consultant and former chief of staff to Council President Monica Conyers -- greeted passersby on Campus Martius and acknowledged that freedom of speech had taken a hit. "I could probably sell T-shirts that say, 'Let's talk about it in person,' " he says, referring to noticeable fall-off among those willing to speak on the phone with him.

"It's not so much the conversations people are having as the ones they aren't." Birmingham lawyer Patrick Barone was trying to plead a case in Detroit last month when he was warned about a big chill in the climate for making deals. A politically astute attorney observed: "There's more wire in this town than there's ever been," Barone says.

The perception of ears tuned in to private frequencies may or may not be creating a new era of ethics, but it's definitely cramping styles, stimulating cell phone borrowing and cutting down on phone calls.

Are federal agents really tuning in to every City Hall call? It may not matter, so long as people assume they are.

Surveillance law tough
"People are so paranoid, they don't even want to talk to their relatives," Mongo says.

The law is tougher than most think, says Steve Fishman, the criminal defense lawyer. Even so, he says, "I absolutely think that (the fear of surveillance) is inhibiting the way people do things in the city. I can tell you I wouldn't call an official I've known for 40 years in this climate."

Legally, prosecutors are required to jump through hoops before getting legal authorization for electronic surveillance, and "minimization" rules dictate that agents can't listen to conversations if they're not specifically related to the authorized investigation.

Morganroth, who represented Young, remembers him at the Manoogian Mansion. The mayor cranked up the TV volume, turned it down, loudly uttered an expletive, then cranked up the volume. Over and over.

In that spirit, Riddle says he keeps talking because "being free is fraught with risk."



Mongo only pawn in game of life.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Queequeg on March 28, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
At some point isn't Detroit bound to make some weird kind of comeback as a hipster mecca or something?  I mean the housing is super cheap, surely there must be some American Apparel loving idiot who wants to live in Detroit for novelty value. 
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 28, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
At some point isn't Detroit bound to make some weird kind of comeback as a hipster mecca or something?  I mean the housing is super cheap, surely there must be some American Apparel loving idiot who wants to live in Detroit for novelty value.
According to the big article in the current Time an abandoned factory is being rented out as artisan work space.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Brain on March 29, 2009, 02:23:35 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 28, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
At some point isn't Detroit bound to make some weird kind of comeback as a hipster mecca or something?  I mean the housing is super cheap, surely there must be some American Apparel loving idiot who wants to live in Detroit for novelty value.
According to the big article in the current Time an abandoned factory is being rented out as artisan work space.

Partisan. This is Detroit. :contract:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 29, 2009, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 28, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
At some point isn't Detroit bound to make some weird kind of comeback as a hipster mecca or something?  I mean the housing is super cheap, surely there must be some American Apparel loving idiot who wants to live in Detroit for novelty value.

There are some people in Detroit like that; but not that many.  Detroit is really inconvenient; there's only a couple grocery stores in the city and hardly any retail shopping.  Police, Fire and Emergency services are undermanned.  Taxes and insurance costs are higher than in the suburbs.  The roads are in terrible shape, the streets aren't consistently lit and snow removal is haphazard.

Prices weren't that cheap until the collapse of the housing market last year.  Things may change in the city now that property is so affordable; but the problem now is that there aren't new jobs here anymore and young people are leaving the state to find work.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 29, 2009, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 28, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
At some point isn't Detroit bound to make some weird kind of comeback as a hipster mecca or something?  I mean the housing is super cheap, surely there must be some American Apparel loving idiot who wants to live in Detroit for novelty value.

There are some people in Detroit like that; but not that many.  Detroit is really inconvenient; there's only a couple grocery stores in the city and hardly any retail shopping. 

How does that work? Are you exaggerating or are they simply enormous?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on March 29, 2009, 12:05:07 PM
And there's the twin issues of crime and blacks.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 29, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 29, 2009, 11:56:35 AM
There are some people in Detroit like that; but not that many.  Detroit is really inconvenient; there's only a couple grocery stores in the city and hardly any retail shopping. 

How does that work? Are you exaggerating or are they simply enormous?

To answer you're first question; not very well.

In the wake of the 1967 riots all the grocery stores left the city.  Little Mom-and-Pop party stores, mostly run by Chaldeans, have taken their place; they sell mostly liquor, but they'll have some canned goods, Wonder Bread, and other things which never expire.  One of the local chains tried to open a super market near Wayne State University in the 80's, but that got robbed so regularly that it would close at sunset.  Now it's run by some co-op.  There's a farmer's market in the city which is enormous; but most people who live in the city get their groceries in the suburbs.

This is changing now as more Hispanics move into the city.  There are a number of supermercados now in Mexican town; but in most of the city there is simply nothing.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 01:58:40 PM
Triumph of the muckrakers:

QuoteFree Press wins national award for Kilpatrick series
FREE PRESS STAFF • March 31, 2009

The Free Press has won yet another national honor for its coverage of the Kwame Kilpatrick text-message scandal, tying for first in the largest newspaper category in awards announced today by the Investigative Reporters and Editors organization.

The Free Press coverage, "A Mayor in Crisis," tied for first with McClatchy Newspapers, whose Washington reporters tracked down former Guantanamo Bay prison detainees to expose abuses.

IRE, a professional organization which supports investigative reporting, cited Free Press reporters Jim Schaefer and M.L. Elrick for obtaining the text messages then-Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick exchanged with aide Christine Beatty that exposed their lies at a police whistle-blower trial and showed how the city's subsequent payout of more than $9 million was an effort to cover up their lies.

Then, "through careful analysis of public records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, the reporters verified a trove of text messages and...with the aid of other Free Press reporters, methodically demolished the mayor's carefully built façade of lies, pay-offs and cronyism – a compelling example of investigative reporting's ability to reveal abuses of power," the award announcement said.

IRE specifically cited Free Press reporters Jennifer Dixon and Dawson Bell for their role in follow-up stories on the scandal. The coverage has received several national awards. It was edited by David Zeman, assistant managing editor for investigations at the paper.

The awards, to be presented at IRE's annual conference in June in Baltimore, spanned 15 categories of watchdog reporting in broadcast, print and on the Web, and a range of market sizes.


Joseph Pulitzer would be proud.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:11:53 PM
QuoteThe Free Press coverage, "A Mayor in Crisis," tied for first with McClatchy Newspapers, whose Washington reporters tracked down former Guantanamo Bay prison detainees to expose abuses.

:bleeding:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
Sav, did you eat your pre-Lenten puschkis (sp)?

I remember that you are a Papist; are you a Polack?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
Sav, did you eat your pre-Lenten puschkis (sp)?

I remember that you are a Papist; are you a Polack?

Pączki; I had one on Mardi Gras.   :)

I am a Papist, but not a Polack.  My mother's family came over on the canoe with Cadillac :frog:  The traditional Lenten dish for Detroit's old French community is muskrat.  I've never had it; but it's supposed to be really greasy.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on March 31, 2009, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
Sav, did you eat your pre-Lenten puschkis (sp)?

I remember that you are a Papist; are you a Polack?

Pączki; I had one on Mardi Gras.   :)

I am a Papist, but not a Polack.  My mother's family came over on the canoe with Cadillac :frog:  The traditional Lenten dish for Detroit's old French community is muskrat.  I've never had it; but it's supposed to be really greasy.

Shit, if they knew what Detroit would become in the future, they would have paddled that canoe a little further.  :lol:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2009, 04:11:44 PM
Shit, if they knew what Detroit would become in the future, they would have paddled that canoe a little further.  :lol:

Oh, I imagine they would have been disappointed to learn what was to come; but all of French North America was annexed by the British, not just Detroit.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Queequeg on March 31, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
Sav, how endogamy bound are Chaldean women in Detroit?  If I end up in Ann Arbour, I'd probably end up trying to date at least one Assyrian.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Winkelried on April 01, 2009, 02:46:55 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 17, 2009, 12:39:21 PM
This is pretty sad.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089,00.html





Edit: I always thought that train station looked like some monstrous Soviet edifice. The Detroit Palace of Culture.

Detroit seems to be the right place to produce "Fallout: The Movie".  :P

Seriously, comparing Hiroshima and Detroit, you wouldn't guess it was the former that got nuked.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 01, 2009, 07:49:14 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 31, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
Sav, how endogamy bound are Chaldean women in Detroit?  If I end up in Ann Arbour, I'd probably end up trying to date at least one Assyrian.

Not very, unless you're looking for someone straight off the boat.  Chaldeans have been living in Detroit since the 1920s; they're about as ethnic as the Greeks or Italians.

Are you looking at graduate school at Michigan?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 01, 2009, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: Winkelried on April 01, 2009, 02:46:55 AM
Detroit seems to be the right place to produce "Fallout: The Movie".  :P

Seriously, comparing Hiroshima and Detroit, you wouldn't guess it was the former that got nuked.

Luckily our governor cut a sweetheart deal with movie studios and Hollywood is starting to shoot movies here.  Look for post apocalyptic crime dramas at your box office soon.   :)

Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
Michigan football sucks.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Queequeg on April 01, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 01, 2009, 07:49:14 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 31, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
Sav, how endogamy bound are Chaldean women in Detroit?  If I end up in Ann Arbour, I'd probably end up trying to date at least one Assyrian.

Not very, unless you're looking for someone straight off the boat.  Chaldeans have been living in Detroit since the 1920s; they're about as ethnic as the Greeks or Italians.

Are you looking at graduate school at Michigan?
Yeah, I am.  Not sure yet, though. 
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 01, 2009, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 01, 2009, 11:36:27 AM

Yeah, I am.  Not sure yet, though.

What program?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
I have seen the future and it photosynthesizes:

QuoteFarm could make Detroit hot spot for fresh foods
BY JOHN GALLAGHER • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER • April 2, 2009


Businessman John Hantz of Detroit, in an exclusive interview with the Free Press, unveiled his plans for Hantz Farms -- a concept that would convert hundreds, even thousands, of vacant parcels in the city into urban agriculture.

Offering jobs and an ability to produce fresh fruits and vegetables locally, Hantz Farms could help Detroit "become a destination for fresh, local and natural foods and become a major part of the green movement," Hantz said.

Detroit already is home to hundreds of smaller community gardens. But Hantz's proposal is the first to envision large-scale commercial farming.

He said he could grow everything from Christmas trees to fruits and vegetables, with amenities such as a cider mill or horseback riding available.

With an estimated 40 square miles of vacant parcels, Detroit offers many sites where, in theory, a big farm operation might work. Hantz, a resident of Detroit's Indian Village district, is tentatively looking at a blighted area near Eastern Market, but exact boundaries would depend on whether he wins the city's cooperation.

A look at the plan
George Jackson, the city's chief development officer and president of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp., said he is evaluating Hantz's proposal.

"I'm going to look at this as I would any development deal," Jackson said.

Land assemblage remains a key question. Hantz owns several parcels in the city, but the vast majority of the acreage he needs for his project is still either owned by private parties or is tax-foreclosed land owned by the city, county and state.

Hantz envisions the city, county and state donating the land to his project or selling it at a nominal cost. The payback would come in increased tax revenues once the farm is up and running.

Hantz is chief executive of Hantz Group, a network of financial services firms based in Southfield.

He also owns the Detroit Ignition of the Xtreme Soccer League.

Vacant land solution?
Matt Allen, onetime press secretary to former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, manages the project as senior vice president of Hantz Farms.

Allen said Hantz Farms is a good solution for vacant land.

"What is it worth to the city just sitting there? Nothing," he said. "Part of the approach to this is that, the larger this becomes, the benefit gets greater and greater faster."

Even as a concept, the idea is controversial.

Jeffrey Armstrong, dean of the Michigan State University College of Agriculture and Natural Resources, called Hantz Farms "a challenging and exciting opportunity."

But Rebecca Salminen Witt, president of the nonprofit Greening of Detroit, said small community plots do more good for Detroiters, helping knit communities together.

"Folks are hoping for, wishing for, looking for a silver bullet to the vast expanses of vacant space that we see in the city," Witt said. "And because of that, they want to say, 'Great, we'll just plunk a couple-of-hundred-acre growing operations here and there.' "

Allen responded that there ought to be a place for both community gardens and commercial farms in Detroit.

"There's more than enough land to go around," he said.

I just heard on the news yesterday that a full 1/3 of Detroit is vacant land.  Historically what is today the city of Detroit was some of the richest farm land in the state.  The idea isn't a terrible one, but I really doubt the Detroit city council will zone tracts of the city as rural.

Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 12:15:26 PM
I think that is a great idea.  Just like the urban farms of Constantinople it would allow Detroit to also weather long sieges.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 12:20:10 PM
Not to outdone by the Freep, the News has an article on urban hunting:

QuoteTo urban hunter, next meal is scampering by
Detroit retiree, 69, supplements his income by living off the land
Detroit - When selecting the best raccoon carcass for the special holiday roast, both the connoisseur and the curious should remember this simple guideline: Look for the paw.

"The paw is old school," says Glemie Dean Beasley, a Detroit raccoon hunter and meat salesman. "It lets the customers know it's not a cat or dog."

Beasley, a 69-year-old retired truck driver who modestly refers to himself as the Coon Man, supplements his Social Security check with the sale of raccoon carcasses that go for as much $12 and can serve up to four. The pelts, too, are good for coats and hats and fetch up to $10 a hide.

While economic times are tough across Michigan as its people slog through a difficult and protracted deindustrialization, Beasley remains upbeat.

Where one man sees a vacant lot, Beasley sees a buffet.

"Starvation is cheap," he says as he prepares an afternoon lunch of barbecue coon and red pop at his west side home.

His little Cape Cod is an urban Appalachia of coon dogs and funny smells. The interior paint has the faded sepia tones of an old man's teeth; the wallpaper is as flaky and dry as an old woman's hand.

Beasley peers out his living room window. A sushi cooking show plays on the television. The neighborhood outside is a wreck of ruined houses and weedy lots.

"Today people got no skill and things is getting worse," he laments. "What people gonna do? They gonna eat each other up is what they gonna do."

A licensed hunter and furrier, Beasley says he hunts coons and rabbit and squirrel for a clientele who hail mainly from the South, where the wild critters are considered something of a delicacy.

Though the flesh is not USDA inspected, if it is thoroughly cooked, there is small chance of contracting rabies from the meat, and distemper and Parvo cannot be passed onto humans, experts say.

Doing for yourself, eating what's natural, that was Creation's intention, Beasley believes. He says he learned that growing up in Three Creeks, Ark.

"Coon or rabbit. God put them there to eat. When men get hold of animals he blows them up and then he blows up. Fill 'em so full of chemicals and steroids it ruins the people. It makes them sick. Like the pigs on the farm. They's 3 months old and weighing 400 pounds. They's all blowed up. And the chil'ren who eat it, they's all blowed up. Don't make no sense."

Hunting is prohibited within Detroit city limits and Beasley insists he does not do so. Still, he says that life in the city has gone so retrograde that he could easily feed himself with the wildlife in his backyard, which abuts an old cement factory.

He procures the coons with the help of the hound dogs who chase the animal up a tree, where Beasley harvests them with a .22 caliber rifle. A true outdoorsman, Beasley refuses to disclose his hunting grounds.

"This city is going back to the wild," he says. "That's bad for people but that's good for me. I can catch wild rabbit and pheasant and coon in my backyard."

Detroit was once home to nearly 2 million people but has shrunk to a population of perhaps less than 900,000. It is estimated that a city the size of San Francisco could fit neatly within its empty lots. As nature abhors a vacuum, wildlife has moved in.

A beaver was spotted recently in the Detroit River. Wild fox skulk the 15th hole at the Palmer Park golf course. There is bald eagle, hawk and falcon that roam the city skies. Wild Turkeys roam the grasses. A coyote was snared two years ago roaming the Federal Court House downtown. And Beasley keeps a gaze of skinned coon in the freezer.

With the beast fresh from the oven, Beasley invites a guest to lunch.

He believes coon meat tastes something like mutton or pork, but to the uneducated pallet, it has the aroma and texture of opossum.

While Beasley preps his coon with simple vinegar brine and spices, there are 100 ways to cook a coon.

There is roast coon with sweet potato, sausage and corn bread stuffing; raccoon cobbler and roast marinated raccoon with liver and onion. It is this reporter's opinion that the best sauce for coon may very well be hunger.

The story of Glemie Dean Beasley plays like a country song. The son of a sharecropper, Beasley left school at 13 to pick cotton. He came to Detroit in 1958. His woman left him in 1970 for a man he calls Slick Willy.

Someone stole his pickup truck and then someone killed his best dog.

"I knowed some hard times," Beasley says. "But a man's got to know how to get hisself through them hard times. Part of that is eating right."
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Wow Austin is far larger than Detroit now.  Well when the city collapses we will take your sports teams.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 12:36:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Wow Austin is far larger than Detroit now.  Well when the city collapses we will take your sports teams.

The 900,000 figure is only the city proper; the metro area is much larger than that.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 12:36:14 PM
The 900,000 figure is only the city proper; the metro area is much larger than that.

Oh yeah you have 4.5 million counting the metro area.  Nevermind then.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 31, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
Sav, how endogamy bound are Chaldean women in Detroit?  If I end up in Ann Arbour, I'd probably end up trying to date at least one Assyrian.

Your racism amuses me.  OTOH, I have a friend whose wife is a Chaldean I believe (she's some flavor of Iraqi native Christian) and she is insanely HOTT.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on April 02, 2009, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 12:20:10 PM
Not to outdone by the Freep, the News has an article on urban hunting:

Quote
"Today people got no skill and things is getting worse," he laments. "What people gonna do? They gonna eat each other up is what they gonna do."

... and when they do, he'll be ready (I was gonna say "prepared").  :shifty:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 02, 2009, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Well when the city collapses we will take your sports teams.

You could probably get the Lions fairly cheap.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 02, 2009, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
Michigan football sucks.

Yes.  Yes, it does.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
QuoteConyers fires staffer, lashes out at Sheila Cockrel
Leonard N. Fleming and Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit --Two security officers for City Council today escorted a staffer for City Council President Monica Conyers from City Hall, one day after he says she fired him for talking to The Detroit News about her troubles gathering signatures for the Aug. 4 primary.

The incident comes on the same day that the controversial president engaged in a shouting match with Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel over whether news cameras should be removed from council chambers during a discussion about Cobo Center.

Taft Gaddy, who was Conyers' staff secretary, was led out to the parking garage across from the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center with his belongings in his hands. He said he was handed a letter this morning making his dismissal official.

"She called me yesterday and told me not to come to work because of the article, cussing me out," Gaddy said. "I wouldn't have been getting terminated for nothing else. I don't think she was fair with that, but that's her prerogative."

Gaddy was out last Saturday at the Eastern Market trying to persuade wary voters to sign Conyers' petition. He pleaded with one woman to sign because he needed to keep his job and feed his children. She refused.

"There's some challenges, sure," Gaddy told The News in the article. "But I convince more people than not to sign."

Conyers and her spokeswoman, Denise Tolliver, didn't immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

This morning, tensions boiled between Conyers and Sheila Cockrel during the closed-door discussion of the transfer of the Cobo Regional Authority. Sources say Conyers used foul language when Cockrel questioned her about allowing the media into the council's chambers.

"It just doesn't send a good statement about how this particular council is led," Cockrel told The Detroit News' reporting partner, WXYZ-TV (Channel 7).


Conyers' longtime consultant and former chief of staff, Sam Riddle, went to City Hall after the incident to discuss it and other matters with the council president. Riddle said Conyers feels the council has run smoother in the past several days, when Cockrel was absent due to an illness.

"We talked about the so-called incident. She seemed to feel very strongly Sheila Cockrel is a disruptive influence on the council," Riddle said. "(Conyers) was on the job of taking care of the people's business without disruption."

Riddle said Conyers isn't remorseful and remains concerned that Cockrel is a disruption.

The flap is the latest in a string by Conyers, who has had significant run-ins with colleagues since joining the panel.

Last year, she infamously called then-Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. "Shrek" during a heated argument. In February, she apologized for making light of Councilman Kwame Kenyatta's hearing and education during a dustup over her attempts to lay off a council staffer, Michelle Williams. Kenyatta told Conyers she needs mental health assistance and referred to her as "Councilwoman A," a reference to an unnamed panel referenced in federal documents as taking bribes.

Conyers brought Williams back on the job a day after laying her off.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
QuoteKenyatta to council: Reprimand Conyers
By Zachary Gorchow • Free Press Staff Writer • April 2, 2009
Detroit City Councilman Kwame Kenyatta called today for the council to formally reprimand President Monica Conyers through a censure resolution condemning her conduct.

Kenyatta said he will introduce the resolution soon and that it was prompted by the accumulation of incidents involving Conyers, the latest of which were some negative remarks she made toward Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel this morning behind closed doors.

Earlier this year, the Free Press reported that Conyers hurled insults at Kenyatta about his hearing aid, untrue rumors that he had cancer and lack of a college degree.

Conyers would remain in office regardless of whether she was censured. The move would amount to a rebuke.

There have been a series of incidents involving Conyers since she was first elected in 2005.

Conyers got into a bar fight although prosecutors exonerated her. She called Cockrel a "drunk" during a council meeting after Cockrel needled her about the bar fight. Perhaps most infamously, she exploded at then Council President Ken Cockrel and called him "Shrek" during a meeting over a procedural dispute.

During her time on one of the city's pension boards, Conyers was accused of threatening another member with a gun -- although she denied the allegation.


"I think it's just gone too far," Kenyatta told reporters. "We have to stand up to this president and say -- I'm not asking for her to resign at this point -- but I am saying that your behavior needs to be curtailed. It needs to be professional. It needs to be positive. It needs to be representative of the citizens of Detroit."

Kenyatta said he did not know whether a majority of the council would support his resolution.

Monica is the gift that keeps on giving.  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2009, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: charliebear on April 02, 2009, 12:58:05 PM
You could probably get the Lions fairly cheap.
Doesn't the NFL have revenue sharing?  If so I bet not.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 03, 2009, 09:37:54 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2009, 02:47:40 PM


Monica is the gift that keeps on giving.  :)

I'd pay good money to see Monica Conyers and Martha Reeves get into a squabble with each other. 
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 03, 2009, 10:54:13 AM
QuoteWho's stealing from Detroit's kids?
BY ROCHELLE RILEY • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • April 3, 2009

Years of financial mismanagement have come home to roost, and emergency financial manager Robert Bobb made clear this week just how much he has to clean up.

He announced that the school district's deficit now exceeds that of the City of Detroit. I still haven't figured out how the city ran up a $300-million deficit. So it is beyond me to understand how DPS could go over budget by $305 million -- and expect to get away with it. Even Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr., who is working to balance the city budget, called the DPS deficit "staggering, and certainly ... very scary."

The deficit was caused partly by instances of mind-boggling ineptitude or stupidity, including $15.2 million in unrecorded invoices and contracts and -- get this -- millions to cover 597 employees who weren't supposed to be on the payroll.


What?

The findings will force Bobb to close as many as 50 schools and cut thousands of jobs in the next two years. But my broken record is still playing: What happened to the money? Who's going to pay it back? And who's going to jail?

Force the guilty to repay it all
I've been swamped with calls about payback. But those callers asked how former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick went from $6-million man to $6 man, a parolee who claims that, after expenses, he can afford to pay only $6 a month toward the $1 million he owes the city in restitution. (Instead of a letter saying, "The dog ate my promissory note," Kilpatrick sent his lawyer with a note saying, "It will take me almost 14,000 years to pay y'all back.")

But now callers are asking when the county will find and fine the crooks who stole education from Detroit's children and helped rob the district blind.

To the callers: It's about time. And to Bobb, the manager who is turning dysfunctional into functional, I say: Leave no stone unturned.

Bobb and his team, which includes a former FBI special agent, must review every contract, every check, every construction order, travel order, phone bill and agreement signed by a DPS employee in the past 10 years.

And any person they believe guilty of stealing from children should be tried, sent to jail and forced to repay the district every dime. With interest.

Get the priorities straight
And before school board member Marie Thornton sends me another e-mail about how much board members need to go to San Diego on Saturday to a school board conference, let me preempt her:

Marie, it doesn't matter what you might learn about stimulus funds at a California retreat. This district cannot afford to send you.

THERE IS NO MONEY.

The district can barely afford to send people to Lansing to explain why, after being in the hole by $139.7 million last year, according to a report by staff writer Chastity Pratt Dawsey, it then overspent by an additional $166.1 million this year!

Unless they're teaching math or accounting in San Diego, every Detroit school board member must stay home and work with Robert Bobb to fix the district and FIND the crooks.

I hate to skip to the end of the book for everyone; but they will only find a handful of the guilty, the few caught perpetrators will get token fines or short jail sentences and the vast majority of the theft will be financed by the taxpayers.  Plus it will all be the fault of white people and suburbanites.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 03, 2009, 10:54:55 AM
Know your bureaucrats:

QuoteConyers got ex-con brother city job
Building official says councilwoman recommended him; she denies it
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit --A top city official says City Council President Monica Conyers pulled strings to get her brother, an ex-con with a violent record, a job in the building department that was to last only 120 days but was extended for two years.

"She came up to me, handed me his resume and said 'You should hire him. He's a good guy,' " said Amru Meah, director of Building & Safety Engineering.

Reggie Esters, 38, was fired from the $30,500 job last summer on claims of chronic absenteeism. About the same time, he was charged with 10 felonies stemming from allegations he brandished a shotgun at two people, according to court records. He pleaded guilty to one count and faces sentencing April 17.

Records obtained this week by The Detroit News show Esters submitted a resume showing he worked continuously for two construction firms from 1999 to 2006. State records show he was incarcerated for assault and weapons charges for much of that time.

Meah said Conyers wanted her brother hired as a $50,000 inspector, but he wasn't qualified and wouldn't pass a license exam. Instead, he was hired as an investigator who checked if businesses are properly licensed.

Conyers, whose maiden name is Esters, said Meah is wrong. She denied that Esters is her brother, despite papers filed in Wayne County Probate Court in 1976 that identify them as siblings with the same parents, Robert H. and Alice Esters.

"I have no idea what Mr. Meah is talking about," Conyers said.


Calls to Marlon Evans, Esters' attorney, were not returned.

The city has no rules against hiring felons and Meah said he didn't know of Esters' record until a reporter told him about it Thursday.

"Human Resources is supposed to check that," he said.

Daniel Cherrin, spokesman for Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr., said Esters' position did not require a background check although Human Resources "looks for inconsistencies and other red flags."

Esters' resume "was reviewed and he met the minimum requirement for the position," Cherrin said, but added that the person who headed Human Resources a the time, James Tyler, an appointee of former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, was fired shortly after Cockrel took office.

Cherrin did not know if any references were checked. None was listed on Esters' application.

According to records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, Human Resources fast-tracked Esters' hire as a commercial and residential investigator after Meah wrote that there was an "immediate need" to fill the position.

"Mr. Esters has the experience that we require for this position. Please see attached resume for your review," Meah wrote in an Oct. 27, 2006, letter to Tyler. Conyers was elected to the panel 11 months before.

Meah said he fired Esters last summer after he was repeatedly missing from work.

"I said, 'He's not around. Fire him,' " he said.

A provisional employee does not get benefits and can be terminated at any time.

Esters, who records indicate is one of Conyers' three brothers, has been arrested at least 14 times since 1988, when he pleaded guilty to shoplifting in Redford Township and was put on probation for one year. In 1990, he was charged with first-degree murder but was acquitted after a jury trial. In 1998, he pleaded guilty to carrying a concealed weapon, according to Wayne Circuit Court records.

On his one-page resume, Esters stated that he had graduated from MacKenzie High School in 1988 and had worked as a "FORMAN" for Jenkins Construction in Detroit from 2000 to 2006 with responsibilities that included "Plan, organize and manage the overall construction development."

But on Sept. 20, 2001, Esters was incarcerated by the Michigan Department of Corrections after he pleaded guilty to assault with intent to cause great bodily harm and being a felon in possession of a weapon. He began his sentence in prison but was then transferred to a boot camp until he was released on May 30, 2006.


That was about the time Meah said Conyers approached him about finding a job for her brother.

Esters was reappointed five times to the post even though he had signed a statement saying he knew the job would last 120 days.

The practice is not uncommon in Detroit.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 03, 2009, 11:26:10 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 03, 2009, 10:54:13 AM
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I hate to skip to the end of the book for everyone; but they will only find a handful of the guilty, the few caught perpetrators will get token fines or short jail sentences and the vast majority of the theft will be financed by the taxpayers.  Plus it will all be the fault of white people and suburbanites.

Doggone those white people and suburban.....hey!  wait a minute here.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 03, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
Surprise!  It really was her brother after all:

QuoteConyers acknowledges ex-con brother after denying him
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit --One day after denying it, City Council President Monica Conyers acknowledged that Reggie Esters, the ex-con she helped get a job in City Hall, is her brother.

Denise Tolliver, spokeswoman for Conyers, acknowledged the relationship this morning, but didn't explain why Conyers told The Detroit News she isn't related to Esters, 38, a felon with a long rap sheet. When speaking to a reporter Thursday at City Hall, Conyers said, "That can't be my brother."

Thursday, Conyers denied pulling strings to hire Esters for a building department job in 2006 that he lost last year on claims of absenteeism.

Since then, Tolliver released a statement attributed to Conyers saying she's an advocate for helping those who have been incarcerated get their lives back on track.

"You don't get to choose your family, and everyone has a right to be productive," the statement read. "That is why I fight so hard at council for ex-offenders to have jobs."

She added that she also visits inmates at local correctional facilities to "lift and encourage them."

The Detroit News reported today that in 2006 Conyers -- whose maiden name is Esters -- suggested to Amru Meah, the head of Building Safety & Engineering, that he would be a good hire as an inspector.

"She came up to me, handed me his resume and said, 'You should hire him. He's a good guy,'" Meah said.

Meah said Esters did not have the qualifications for that position but found him a $30,500 job checking if city businesses were properly licensed. The job was supposed to last 120 days, but was extended for two years.

Records obtained this week by The Detroit News show Esters submitted a resume showing he worked continuously for two construction firms from 1999 to 2006. State records show he was incarcerated for assault with intent to cause great bodily harm and weapons charges for much of that time.

Meah said he fired Esters because he missed work. About the time he was fired, Esters was charged with 10 felony counts related to his brandishing a shotgun at two people in Detroit. He pleaded guilty and is set to be sentenced this month.

I'm glad Monica didn't have to resort to a life of crime like her brother.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 03, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
Surprise!  It really was her brother after all:

QuoteConyers acknowledges ex-con brother after denying him
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit --One day after denying it, City Council President Monica Conyers acknowledged that Reggie Esters, the ex-con she helped get a job in City Hall, is her brother.

Denise Tolliver, spokeswoman for Conyers, acknowledged the relationship this morning, but didn't explain why Conyers told The Detroit News she isn't related to Esters, 38, a felon with a long rap sheet. When speaking to a reporter Thursday at City Hall, Conyers said, "That can't be my brother."

Thursday, Conyers denied pulling strings to hire Esters for a building department job in 2006 that he lost last year on claims of absenteeism.

Since then, Tolliver released a statement attributed to Conyers saying she's an advocate for helping those who have been incarcerated get their lives back on track.

"You don't get to choose your family, and everyone has a right to be productive," the statement read. "That is why I fight so hard at council for ex-offenders to have jobs."

She added that she also visits inmates at local correctional facilities to "lift and encourage them."

The Detroit News reported today that in 2006 Conyers -- whose maiden name is Esters -- suggested to Amru Meah, the head of Building Safety & Engineering, that he would be a good hire as an inspector.

"She came up to me, handed me his resume and said, 'You should hire him. He's a good guy,'" Meah said.

Meah said Esters did not have the qualifications for that position but found him a $30,500 job checking if city businesses were properly licensed. The job was supposed to last 120 days, but was extended for two years.

Records obtained this week by The Detroit News show Esters submitted a resume showing he worked continuously for two construction firms from 1999 to 2006. State records show he was incarcerated for assault with intent to cause great bodily harm and weapons charges for much of that time.

Meah said he fired Esters because he missed work. About the time he was fired, Esters was charged with 10 felony counts related to his brandishing a shotgun at two people in Detroit. He pleaded guilty and is set to be sentenced this month.

I'm glad Monica didn't have to resort to a life of crime like her brother.   :)
:lmfao: Nice!
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
Chances are, it was the school board who stole a bunch of the money anyways.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Syt on April 04, 2009, 12:44:49 AM
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090402/METRO08/904020395/To+urban+hunter++next+meal+is+scampering+by
QuoteTo urban hunter, next meal is scampering by
Detroit retiree, 69, supplements his income by living off the land

Detroit - When selecting the best raccoon carcass for the special holiday roast, both the connoisseur and the curious should remember this simple guideline: Look for the paw.

"The paw is old school," says Glemie Dean Beasley, a Detroit raccoon hunter and meat salesman. "It lets the customers know it's not a cat or dog."

Beasley, a 69-year-old retired truck driver who modestly refers to himself as the Coon Man, supplements his Social Security check with the sale of raccoon carcasses that go for as much $12 and can serve up to four. The pelts, too, are good for coats and hats and fetch up to $10 a hide.

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While economic times are tough across Michigan as its people slog through a difficult and protracted deindustrialization, Beasley remains upbeat.

Where one man sees a vacant lot, Beasley sees a buffet.

"Starvation is cheap," he says as he prepares an afternoon lunch of barbecue coon and red pop at his west side home.

His little Cape Cod is an urban Appalachia of coon dogs and funny smells. The interior paint has the faded sepia tones of an old man's teeth; the wallpaper is as flaky and dry as an old woman's hand.

Beasley peers out his living room window. A sushi cooking show plays on the television. The neighborhood outside is a wreck of ruined houses and weedy lots.

"Today people got no skill and things is getting worse," he laments. "What people gonna do? They gonna eat each other up is what they gonna do."

A licensed hunter and furrier, Beasley says he hunts coons and rabbit and squirrel for a clientele who hail mainly from the South, where the wild critters are considered something of a delicacy.

Though the flesh is not USDA inspected, if it is thoroughly cooked, there is small chance of contracting rabies from the meat, and distemper and Parvo cannot be passed onto humans, experts say.

Doing for yourself, eating what's natural, that was Creation's intention, Beasley believes. He says he learned that growing up in Three Creeks, Ark.

"Coon or rabbit. God put them there to eat. When men get hold of animals he blows them up and then he blows up. Fill 'em so full of chemicals and steroids it ruins the people. It makes them sick. Like the pigs on the farm. They's 3 months old and weighing 400 pounds. They's all blowed up. And the chil'ren who eat it, they's all blowed up. Don't make no sense."

Hunting is prohibited within Detroit city limits and Beasley insists he does not do so. Still, he says that life in the city has gone so retrograde that he could easily feed himself with the wildlife in his backyard, which abuts an old cement factory.

He procures the coons with the help of the hound dogs who chase the animal up a tree, where Beasley harvests them with a .22 caliber rifle. A true outdoorsman, Beasley refuses to disclose his hunting grounds.

"This city is going back to the wild," he says. "That's bad for people but that's good for me. I can catch wild rabbit and pheasant and coon in my backyard."

Detroit was once home to nearly 2 million people but has shrunk to a population of perhaps less than 900,000. It is estimated that a city the size of San Francisco could fit neatly within its empty lots. As nature abhors a vacuum, wildlife has moved in.

A beaver was spotted recently in the Detroit River. Wild fox skulk the 15th hole at the Palmer Park golf course. There is bald eagle, hawk and falcon that roam the city skies. Wild Turkeys roam the grasses. A coyote was snared two years ago roaming the Federal Court House downtown. And Beasley keeps a gaze of skinned coon in the freezer.

With the beast fresh from the oven, Beasley invites a guest to lunch.

He believes coon meat tastes something like mutton or pork, but to the uneducated palate, it has the aroma and texture of opossum.

While Beasley preps his coon with simple vinegar brine and spices, there are 100 ways to cook a coon.

There is roast coon with sweet potato, sausage and corn bread stuffing; raccoon cobbler and roast marinated raccoon with liver and onion. It is this reporter's opinion that the best sauce for coon may very well be hunger.

The story of Glemie Dean Beasley plays like a country song. The son of a sharecropper, Beasley left school at 13 to pick cotton. He came to Detroit in 1958. His woman left him in 1970 for a man he calls Slick Willy.

Someone stole his pickup truck and then someone killed his best dog."I knowed some hard times," Beasley says. "But a man's got to know how to get hisself through them hard times. Part of that is eating right."

So, Detroit is turning into something like the NY in "I Am Legend"? :unsure:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: JacobL on April 04, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
Quote

DETROIT —  A social worker at a high school in Detroit is being lauded as a hero after he stopped a 17-year-old boy who allegedly was carrying a sawed-off shotgun and wrestled the boy to the ground.

No one was injured.

The Detroit Free Press reports 41-year-old social worker Idris Herring saw the teen rush through a metal detector Thursday at Westside Academy and glimpsed what looked a gun.

The boy fled after Herring tackled him and no arrests had been reported Saturday. Detroit Public Schools police said they were seeking a warrant for the teen's arrest.

There was no indication whether the shotgun was loaded.

The newspaper said the teen got the gun from a vehicle after having an altercation with a student at the school.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:30:21 AM
QuoteMoore, Nugent, Wilson sound off on Detroit
April 4, 2009, 1:17 PM EST
DETROIT (AP) -- Michael Moore says parts of it look like "the landscape of another planet."

Ted Nugent refers to its "embarrassing filth."


Mary Wilson speaks of its beauty and prosperity — from another time, long ago.

What is this woeful place? It's Detroit, a city they all know well and (believe it or not) love dearly.

It's also a place that's hard to avoid hearing about lately.

It started last month when the contestants from "American Idol" descended for "Motown Week" and heated up Monday with a presidential rejection of General Motors' and Chrysler's turnaround plans. It ends this weekend when college basketball's premier showcase, the Final Four, hits town.

The events have trained an oversized spotlight on the Michigan metropolis and have people across America talking about the state of the Motor City.

Three of those who weighed in this week are Moore, Nugent and Mary Wilson, all famed Michigan-bred entertainers who were asked to address autos and all things Detroit. And the consensus is this: The city has seen better days.

"Sadly, a majority of Americans have written off Detroit, and for those of us who grew up in Michigan and still live here `heartbreaking' doesn't really describe it," said Moore, who rose to prominence with his 1989 documentary, "Roger & Me," which focused on GM plant closings in his hometown of Flint.

Moore, who now lives in Traverse City, currently is filming a movie on the economic crisis, Wall Street and corporate greed — "a comedy," he says.

Moore recently was flying to Detroit when, on approach, an out-of-towner in a nearby seat motioned toward the window and asked the filmmaker: "What's it like down there?"

Nothing like it used to be, Moore told his fellow traveler.

"There was an attitude then that anything was possible," said Moore, who feels the old Detroit mantra that hard work equals a good life no longer holds.

He places the blame on the shoulders of auto executives, who he says presided over "a pathetically run business."

He applauded President Barack Obama's decision to remove Rick Wagoner from his post atop General Motors Corp. The new president on Monday also rejected GM's and Chrysler LLC's restructuring plans and set the stage for a major realignment of the industry.

Nugent, the wildman rocker and outdoor enthusiast known as the "Motor City Madman," is far to the right of Moore on the political spectrum and doesn't see government intervention in autos as a particularly good thing.

"Left to their own accord and entrepreneurial enterprise, I am confident the U.S. auto industry would have outperformed all others. ... Now that Fedzilla has had the audacity to turn up the havoc-wreaking, criminally violating the U.S. Constitution and all parameters of logic and decency, it appears the death knell has sounded. It breaks my Motor City heart," he said.

Wilson, who grew up in Detroit, fondly remembers the city then as "a beautiful, prosperous place" where car jobs were plentiful. Her father worked in an auto factory.

She later became a member of the legendary Motown group The Supremes and went on to worldwide fame. Wilson said she "wouldn't have wanted to grow up in any other city."

But Wilson, who now lives in Las Vegas, said things have soured in Detroit, and jobs could be the key to a resurgence.

"It's all about people working. The city needs the factories," she said. "It needs the auto industry ... so people can work."

As for the city itself, the trio believes Detroit can rise again despite the autos meltdown, recent mayoral scandal and the long-standing problems of crime, poverty, blight and population loss.

Some good news will arrive Saturday when years of planning and preparation culminate in tens of thousands of hoops enthusiasts, many of whom traveled a great distance, packing Ford Field.

"Outsiders will experience the glowing good will and decency of the fine folks of Detroit and Michigan ... and will also eat great food and meet great people and hear soulful music," said Nugent, who will be back in town later this month for a reunion of his group, the Amboy Dukes.

While some in the converted football stadium will be pulling for one of the other three entrants, it's fair to expect quite a few will be cheering on the local favorites from Michigan State, who play Big East power Connecticut in the evening's first game.

Moore, who often is seen wearing a green Michigan State ball cap, has this prediction: Spartans 72, Huskies 53.

I mentioned to Sav just a few days ago that I was embarrassed by Detroit.  I think Moore and The Nuge got right to the point.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:30:21 AM
I mentioned to Sav just a few days ago that I was embarrassed by Detroit.  I think Moore and The Nuge got right to the point.
Isn't everyone embarrassed by Detroit?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:30:21 AM
I mentioned to Sav just a few days ago that I was embarrassed by Detroit.  I think Moore and The Nuge got right to the point.
Isn't everyone embarrassed by Detroit?

It does have pockets of beauty, which is what I wish people could see.  Some of the older homes are incredible.  The library in Highland Park is one of my favorite buildings, but it's been boarded up. 

It's not only embarrassing, but it's sad.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 06, 2009, 09:55:27 AM
The vast cultural wasteland gets vaster:

QuoteCouncil president Conyers to debut TV talk show Tuesday
Controversial leader will do interviews, take calls on city politics
Leonard Fleming and Mark Hicks / The Detroit News
Controversial City Council President Monica Conyers is getting into the talk show business.

On Tuesday, "Ask the Councilwoman With Monica Conyers" debuts on WHPR-TV (Channel 33) from 3:30-4 p.m. It will be filmed at the station's studios in Highland Park, the same day the council has its weekly sessions.

Conyers, the wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, will interview guests, offer two minutes of commentary and take calls from the public.

She's hoping her first show will feature interviews with Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr. as well as his mayoral opponent, businessman Dave Bing. Neither has confirmed.

"It's not her objective to slam anybody," said Conyers spokeswoman Denise Tolliver. "This is a tool for her to make sure people know what's going on in council."

A 13-week contract is being negotiated, Henry Tyler, the station's program director, said Sunday. She joins fellow council member JoAnn Watson and state Rep. Coleman A. Young Jr., who both have air time, he said.

"They're able to open those phone lines and let the public call in to the station. ... It's a way people can talk to their public officials."

The show follows a tough week for Conyers, who had a shouting match with a colleague and fired a contractual employee for telling The Detroit News about troubles gathering signatures to appear on the Aug. 4 ballot.

She also denied hiring her ex-convict brother for a City Hall job but said she recommended him only because she believes in second chances.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 06, 2009, 09:57:09 AM
QuoteImpeach Conyers before it's too late

Detroit is saddled with too many handicaps to tolerate a time bomb as head of its City Council.

Monica Conyers is not only dysfunctional as a leader; she's also dangerous to the city's image. She's erratic and volatile and is a public threat.

We've all been waiting to see if the Justice Department has the evidence and the courage to indict the wife of its connect-the-dots boss, House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers.

But the feds are taking too long making up their minds in the City Hall corruption probe, and the seven months until the November election are an awfully long time to risk Conyers' bizarre behavior.

She's got to go now.

The Detroit News reported last week that Conyers intervened to get her brother a city job, telling the building department Reggie Esters is a "good guy," but neglecting to mention that he'd just got out of prison. Esters lasted two years, was fired for not showing up for work and then was arrested on 10 felony counts, including brandishing a shotgun.

When asked about her role in his hiring, Conyers denied everything, including that Esters is her brother. There's a pattern here. After pitching a fit in the lobby of a Denver hotel last summer, she claimed it never happened, despite confirmation by the hotel and police. There's no polite way to say this: Conyers can't tell the truth.

But that's not her most disturbing character flaw. She also has a hair trigger temper and a foul mouth she can't control.

Last week, Conyers gave a good cussing to fellow Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel, telling her to "shut the (expletive) up" and asking the longtime widow if she "needed a man." Cockrel became the third colleague Conyers has verbally assaulted. Previously, she called Ken Cockrel Jr. "Shrek" at the council table and made fun of Kwame Kenyatta's poor hearing.

Heap onto those incidents a bar fight, the firing of an employee for talking to the press, failure to account for her travel expenses and abuse of her bodyguard privilege, and it adds up to all the reason needed to declare her unfit for office.

Conyers can't figure out why all the fuss. "I don't regret nothing. I ain't done nothing worth apologizing for," she told The News, blaming her woes on racism. "They say all black women have mental problems."

No, just the ones who get into bar brawls, curse their colleagues and, despite holding a law degree, suddenly can't string together two grammatical sentences. Here's your sign, Madam President: You may have mental problems.

Kenyatta suggests the council should formally reprimand Conyers. That isn't enough.

The city Charter is murky on what it takes to impeach an elected official, as we learned from the Kwame Kilpatrick scandal. But council should test its ability to remove Conyers. At the least, it should replace her as president. Let her sue.

If her fellow council members fail to act, when Conyers finally blows, they can't say they didn't see the warning signs.

That won't happen; I'll be surprised if even the censure motion goes through. 

City elections are in November.  All councilmen are elected at large, and the person with the most votes is the council president.  Monica got the second most votes last time, so when the former council president, Shrek Cockrel Junior, became mayor she became council president.  She probably won't return as council president (though I wouldn't rule it out) but she probably will return to the city council.  If nothing else Monica has the advantage of name recognition.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 06, 2009, 04:55:51 PM
:blink: A voting member on the city council sets up a talk show on council voting issues, and nobody has the heart to tell her it's a conflict of interests?
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Post by: Savonarola on April 07, 2009, 03:18:44 PM
QuoteCouncil: Tear down Central Depot at owner's expense
BY NAOMI R. PATTON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • April 7, 2009

The Detroit City Council passed a resolution requesting the emergency demolition of the Michigan Central Depot at owner Matty Moroun's expense.

Moroun, a billionaire who owns the Ambassador Bridge and has plans to build a second bridge next to it, has 30 days to respond to the council's resolution

"I want it down now," said Councilwoman Barbara-Rose Collins, who introduced the resolution to raze the structure, sitting vacant since 1988. "It's obviously a public hazard."

Mayor Ken Cockrel, Jr. has allotted $3.6 million to demolish the depot in his proposed federal economic stimulus funding list.

But, Collins said, "The city should have no obligation whatsoever to tear it down."

She also said the $3 million could be used to build homes on the east side, or to "improve the quality of life for Detroit citizens . . . It should not go to a billionaire."

"It should've been down years ago," Council President Monica Conyers said, citing a city blight ordinance that would allow the city to take over the neglected property. Conyers, who also opposes using federal stimulus money to tear it down, also said she would be willing to consider other options if Moroun "came up with some type of plan to make it viable," like a shopping outlet.

Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel voted against the resolution.

Collins called Moroun a "sweet person," but said, "It's as though he's a king in his own little kingdom."

City attorneys are drafting a report for the council about how to enforce the resolution.

:o

I didn't see that one coming.  Matty Moroun must not have paid off enough council members.   :(
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 08, 2009, 08:17:53 AM
The return of "Ghetto Court."

QuoteDetroit lawyer sues over demotion
She alleges reverse discrimination for her 'ghetto court' comment
BY BEN SCHMITT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • April 8, 2009

The City of Detroit's former top lawyer sued the city Tuesday, saying that she was illegally demoted when she described the 36th District Court as a "ghetto court."

Kathleen Leavey, who is white in a court where most judges are black, said in the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court that she was not talking about race when she criticized the courthouse Jan. 14.

Leavey told the Free Press at the time that she got into a heated discussion with a court administrator about the court's handling of a lawsuit against it, in which it asked the city to pay a $400,000 judgment without warning. "I told her people regard this as a ghetto court because of the way they treat people," Leavey said, adding that she was referring to long lines and slow service.

In her lawsuit, Leavey, a Detroit resident, alleges reverse race discrimination, retaliatory defamation and First Amendment retaliation in the lawsuit. She is seeking damages in excess of $75,000.

"The Slang Dictionary defines 'ghetto' as 'backwards and messed up,' " Leavey's lawyer, James Fett, wrote in the suit. "Leavey's African-American colleagues have never been subject to discipline, admonishment or ridicule for using the term 'ghetto.' "

Leavey, who is on leave, said she was forced to resign her post as interim corporation counsel after 36th District Chief Judge Marylin Atkins contended in a letter that the remarks were racist. Atkins is named as a defendant in the lawsuit.

"There are few things worse than being called a racist," Fett said.

"I don't have a comment at all," Atkins said Tuesday.

Cockrel's spokesman, Daniel Cherrin, said he could not comment on a pending lawsuit.

Only $75,000?  Kwame is suing Skytel for $100,000,000; she's entitled to at least half that amount.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 08, 2009, 10:44:26 AM
I must have missed something.  I read the article twice and didn't see Monica's name in it.  She's always involved with these goofy-assed things.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 01:27:30 PM
Not to worry, she shows up in the next article:

QuoteCobo deal dies as judge sides with city council
By Zachary Gorchow • Free Press Staff Writer • April 9, 2009

A judge has blocked a regional authority for Cobo Center, ruling today that Detroit Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. had no right to veto the City Council's nullification of a state law creating the authority.



After almost two weeks of trying to get Cockrel and the City Council to strike a deal in the council's lawsuit, Wayne County Circuit Judge Isidore Torres said the talks had failed.

"For whatever reason it didn't happen, and that's fine," he said.

Torres then handed out a written copy of his ruling to each side, and Council President Monica Conyers' reaction left no doubt about the result.

"Yes! We won!" she said, slapping a nearby table exultantly.


Meanwhile, glum city attorneys filed out of the courtroom.

Conyers said she hoped Gov. Jennifer Granholm would reopen negotiations on how Cobo should be governed.

Aging, dingy and in severe need of more space and renovations, Granholm, the Legislature and regional leaders agreed in December on a five-member regional authority to run Cobo and the extension of hotel, liquor and cigarette taxes to pay for $288 million in upgrades.

But there was a caveat – the City Council had the opportunity to reject the plan.

Saying they objected to the city giving up ownership to Cobo with no guarantees that Detroit businesses would receive contracts from the regional authority, a 5-3 majority of the council voted to nullify the state law.

But then Cockrel vetoed the council's rejection resolution. The state law appeared to give the council the final say with no power to the mayor, so the council sued and Torres agreed with it.

"Throughout the act, the powers and duties of the legislative body and the local chief executive officer are delineated in plain language, but none of these creates under the act a veto power in the chief executive officer over a resolution disapproving the transfer," Torres wrote.

Congratulations, Monica.   :)
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Post by: jimmy olsen on April 09, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 01:27:30 PM

QuoteCobo deal dies as judge sides with city council
By Zachary Gorchow • Free Press Staff Writer • April 9, 2009

A judge has blocked a regional authority for Cobo Center, ruling today that Detroit Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. had no right to veto the City Council's nullification of a state law creating the authority.



After almost two weeks of trying to get Cockrel and the City Council to strike a deal in the council's lawsuit, Wayne County Circuit Judge Isidore Torres said the talks had failed.

"For whatever reason it didn't happen, and that's fine," he said.

Torres then handed out a written copy of his ruling to each side, and Council President Monica Conyers' reaction left no doubt about the result.

"Yes! We won!" she said, slapping a nearby table exultantly.

5-3 majority of the council voted to nullify the state law.

But then Cockrel vetoed the council's rejection resolution. The state law appeared to give the council the final say with no power to the mayor, so the council sued and Torres agreed with it.

"Throughout the act, the powers and duties of the legislative body and the local chief executive officer are delineated in plain language, but none of these creates under the act a veto power in the chief executive officer over a resolution disapproving the transfer," Torres wrote.

How can the state allow a municipality to nullify a state law? Where's Zombie Andrew Jackson when you need him?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 09, 2009, 02:02:40 PM


How can the state allow a municipality to nullify a state law? Where's Zombie Andrew Jackson when you need him?

I think it's because the City of Detroit owns Cobo Hall; and the state council would have transferred control of Cobo Hall to the regional governing board.  Transferring authority required approval of the city council.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
And it's never a dull day in the D:

QuoteKilpatrick paid lawyers $1M from election fund
Action could violate campaign finance laws
By M.L. ELRICK, JIM SCHAEFER and JOE SWICKARD • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • April 8, 2009


Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick used his re-election fund to pay lawyers nearly $1 million for their ultimately futile efforts to keep him out of jail -- a move that possibly violates state campaign finance laws.

Kilpatrick's lead attorney, James Thomas, defended tapping the campaign account but Maurice Kelman, a retired Wayne State University law professor, said it was improper. Kelman has been calling on Kilpatrick to disclose his spending.

A spokesman for state Attorney General Mike Cox said Wednesday that such matters are typically referred to local prosecutors.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy's spokeswoman Maria Miller declined comment on the legality of tapping the fund but said prosecutors will look at the $215,000 that Kilpatrick said he had left in the fund at the end of 2008.

"We're interested in any money that can go toward the mayor's restitution," she said.

The former mayor owes the City of Detroit more than $900,000 in restitution as part of the deal he reached last year when he pleaded guilty to two counts of obstruction of justice stemming from the text message scandal.

Other details that emerged from the campaign finance report — which was filed nearly two months late — show that Kilpatrick received only six contributions after the Free Press revealed the text message scandal in January 2008.

No one contributed to the fund after Worthy brought eight felony counts against Kilpatrick in March 2008.

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Post by: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 03:18:41 PM
QuoteCharity, family got checks from Kilpatrick campaign fund
Lawyer fees could mean huge fines, expert says
BY M.L. ELRICK, JOE SWICKARD and JIM SCHAEFER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • April 9, 2009

While Kwame Kilpatrick sat in a Wayne County Jail cell, his campaign fund kept working.

Among those collecting checks during the former mayor's incarceration were the Next Vision Foundation -- run by his sister, Ayanna, and his cousin Jacquelyn Watts, who took over as treasurer of the re-election account.

The Next Vision Foundation, the Kilpatrick family charity, received $5,000. Watts, who had worked in the mayor's office until Ken Cockrel Jr. replaced Kilpatrick, got $3,000 for her accounting services.

Besides small payments for items including bank service charges and credit card fees, the fund's only other expenditures after Kilpatrick entered jail on Oct. 28 were $3,000 to Emma Bell, his longtime fund-raiser, and $600 to Philip Thomas, a lawyer hired as part of a failed bid to help Kilpatrick keep his law license.

But the bulk of the more than $1.1 million spent over the course of 2008 went to lawyers -- most of whom defended Kilpatrick against criminal charges stemming from the text message scandal and his assault on a detective from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office.

Maurice Kelman, a retired Wayne State University Law School professor and election law expert, said those expenditures could lead to fines of up to $1 million for the former mayor.

"You cannot spend campaign money for personal use," Kelman said Wednesday. "A lawyer doing purely criminal work should not be paid with campaign funds."

He said that under state law, the former mayor can be fined "dollar-for-dollar for everything that Kilpatrick improperly spent."

But first, he said, someone must file a complaint with the Michigan Secretary of State, which could trigger a hearing at which Kilpatrick would have to be found in violation of campaign finance law.

Kilpatrick attorney James Thomas disagreed.

"Obviously this was something that was well-researched before the funds were received," he said, adding that Kilpatick's campaign fund was established to keep him in office. If Kilpatrick were convicted of a crime, he would be forced to resign as mayor.


"If he did not defend himself he would not have been able to stay in office," James Thomas said.

Kilpatrick ultimately pleaded guilty to two counts of obstruction of justice stemming from the text message scandal. As part of the deal, he resigned from office, agreed to serve 120 days in jail and five years on probation, relinquished his law license and agreed to pay the City of Detroit $1 million in restitution. He also agreed not to run for office for five years and pleaded no contest to an assault charge for shoving a deputy trying to serve a subpoena.

Of the lawyers paid from the re-election account, James Thomas received the most: $284,251.

He also received $85,000 from the Detroit Justice Fund, a legal defense account Kilpatrick established, according to IRS documents the fund filed.

James Thomas said Wednesday that the nonprofit Kilpatrick Civic Fund also has paid him for preparing documents requested by federal investigators.

Kelman conceded that some of the campaign expenditures for attorneys may be permissible, citing legal work related to the Detroit City Council's efforts to unseat Kilpatrick and removal hearings Gov. Jennifer Granholm held in September.

But Kelman said there is no justification for paying Philip Thomas to help Kilpatrick try to retain his law license.

"There's nothing that says you have to be a licensed attorney in order to hold the office of mayor," Kelman said.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 09, 2009, 03:30:37 PM
The Freep has expandide their article now that some of the prominent state Republicans weigh in on the Cobo Deal:

QuoteOakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson, who resisted earlier, more expensive Cobo renovation plans, but agreed to the one rejected by the council, said he would follow through on his promise to lure the North American International Auto Show to Oakland County.


"In-friggin'-credible!" Patterson said in a statement. "If they're popping champagne corks in Detroit City Council chambers this afternoon, I would suggest to you it's terribly premature. What City Council has done is overturn five years of hard negotiation that was Detroit's last best chance to secure long-term funding for Cobo Hall and frankly the North American International Auto Show.


"I have no stomach, no appetite, no interest in going back to the table to rewrite a piece of legislation that would be satisfactory to Monica Conyers."



The city won't be able to count on the state Legislature to help craft a new plan for Cobo, said Senate Majority leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester.


"I don't see this coming back to the table any time soon," he said. "It's hard to tell somebody from Traverse City or Grand Rapids that extending our good graces to the city of Detroit is great for them, but they all understood that it was a good thing to do for the state."


When the city council rejected the Cobo compromise, a process that took five years, getting outstate lawmakers back on board will be difficult at best. A different solution will wait until at least after the city elections in November.


"I've seen a lot of things come out of city council that make me shake my head, but this is Exhibit A on why we need massive change," Bishop said. "The legislature is going to have to wait to see what the next election brings."

It's a sad situation; but we got some quality sound bites from L. Brooks Patterson, so that makes it worthwhile.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 09, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
How can the state allow a municipality to nullify a state law? Where's Zombie Andrew Jackson when you need him?

Read before you paste, Tim. The state explicitly put the council's assent as a caveat.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 09, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
How can the state allow a municipality to nullify a state law? Where's Zombie Andrew Jackson when you need him?

Read before you paste, Tim. The state explicitly put the council's assent as a caveat.
I read it the first time. It just makes the situation more horrifying in my opinion. It's an absolutely insane situation, and the legislature that passed the law should have been impeached. A city council should have no ability whatsoever to nullify state legislation.  That the city council in question is Detroit's just makes it 100 times worse.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 10, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
I read it the first time. It just makes the situation more horrifying in my opinion. It's an absolutely insane situation, and the legislature that passed the law should have been impeached. A city council should have no ability whatsoever to nullify state legislation.  That the city council in question is Detroit's just makes it 100 times worse.

The bill was a compromise between the State of Michigan, the counties surrounding Metro Detroit and the City of Detroit.  From reports now it looks like the language requiring council approval was put on there at the insistence of the current mayor.  Shrek really should have known better, since this same sort of brouhaha took place when the Kwame tried to give the zoo to the Detroit Zoological Society.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
When I hear the name "Kwame", I reach for my Browning.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
When I hear the name "Kwame", I reach for my Browning.  :rolleyes:
:o Nazi!
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
No, Concerned Citizen.  :mad:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
I read it the first time. It just makes the situation more horrifying in my opinion. It's an absolutely insane situation, and the legislature that passed the law should have been impeached. A city council should have no ability whatsoever to nullify state legislation.  That the city council in question is Detroit's just makes it 100 times worse.
The state was being civil. They were talking about switching control of a city agency to a state-overseen one that operated on the county level. A hostile takeover usually doesn't work very well on the scale of local government; they were, in fact, managing this better than similar moves that have been made here in NJ (NJDOL switched One Stop from a county center to a regional one, so we have people coming from an hour and two counties away; it's had a violent impact on traffic congestion, and the agency in question's service has plummeted since the transition).
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Post by: Savonarola on April 14, 2009, 08:22:25 AM
Welcome to Detroit!

QuoteDespite mugging, Dutch reporter won't beat up on Detroit
By BILL McGRAW • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • April 14, 2009

Award-winning Dutch journalist Jacqueline Maris is back in the Netherlands, safe and sound after her reporting trip to Detroit last week during which she and a photographer were carjacked.

Her three-part series on Detroit is running this week on VPRO, Dutch public radio. While Maris plans to include the carjacking incident in Part 3, she said having her rented Chevy Cobalt stolen at gunpoint will not affect the tone or conclusion of her reports.

She said she plans to construct a portrait of a city that goes beyond out-of-town journalists' stereotypes of abandoned houses and car-company woes.

"I don't want to stop where every journalists stops," Maris said in a phone interview Monday.

"When you read about Detroit, you read about the auto industry, the train station and some collapsing buildings. There's never people."

Her desire to do a comprehensive report on Detroit doesn't mean Maris — a veteran journalist who has reported from war zones in Africa and the Middle East — will tell a story that would be approved by the chamber of commerce.

"I could have done a very positive story," she said, "but there are drugs, gangs, wild dogs and garbage."

On the VPRO Web site, the reports are headlined: "Stories from a city in free fall."

In other American cities she has visited, such as Boston and New Orleans, decay was limited to specific districts, Maris said.

In Detroit, she was struck by how much the entire city outside of the central business district appears to be in distress.

"It looks nice in downtown," Maris said. "The Book Cadillac is very nice, and you see the potential. But when you get in the neighborhoods, it is very shocking. Wherever you go you see the houses that were once the houses of dreams. You see once there was a thriving life there."


The reporting trip was Maris' first visit to Detroit. Working with photographer Daimon Xanthopoulos, Maris spent nine days in the city, which is longer than many visiting reporters stay


Each report will be 35 minutes long, an eternity by even American public radio standards. Xanthopoulos' photos will appear on the station's Web site starting Wednesday: http://weblogs.vpro.nl/buitenland/

Maris said Part 1 deals with the history of Detroit and the auto industry, and what making cars meant to African Americans who came from the south for the city's good pay and relative freedom.

Part 2 will discuss people who are taking the initiative to improve life in the city, including the Motor City Blight Busters in northwest Detroit, the venerable Capuchin Soup Kitchen on the east side and parents in southwest Detroit who have organized to get rid of stray dogs.

"People in Detroit seem very strong and resilient," Maris said.

Part 3 will tell a more personal story, partly through Xanthopoulos' photos. Xanthopoulos spent time in Detroit during the winter, exploring the city on foot and met, among other people, a homeless single mother. They will tell of her search for shelter, and they will also discuss their experience of coming face to face with a 9mm pistol.

The carjacking took place in the former Brewster Projects, near Ford Field. Xanthopoulos handed over the keys to two men, one who wore a ski mask. Xanthopoulos and Maris fled; the thieves did not attempt to steal the journalists' recording equipment or expensive cameras. Maris said Detroit police responded promptly.

Maris, 50, the mother of two sons, said she will use the incident not to illustrate her bad luck, but tell to tell a bigger story, much as she did when she witnessed atrocities while reporting on the Liberian civil war in 1993.

"I went home to safe Holland," Maris said, where there is a solid safety net, and not everyone can own a gun and many fewer people fall into desperate poverty.

She's not going to tell her listeners not to go to Detroit for fear of getting shot.

But, she said, she will say that in Detroit, "many people are trapped."
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on April 14, 2009, 08:25:32 AM
Great. Detroit, new destination for adventure tourism.

Move over, Papua New Guinea.
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Post by: Valmy on April 14, 2009, 08:28:55 AM
QuoteShe said she plans to construct a portrait of a city that goes beyond out-of-town journalists' stereotypes of abandoned houses and car-company woes.

I bet they are celebrating at the Detroit Chamber of Commerce!
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Post by: Neil on April 14, 2009, 08:36:48 AM
Well of course it's no big deal for her.  As crime-ridden as Detroit is, it's nothing compared to Europe.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 08:05:46 AM
Well that didn't last long:

QuoteCouncil president Conyers skips TV show filming
Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit -- One week into Monica Conyers' stint as a talk show host, and she's already relying on reruns.

The City Council president was a no-show Tuesday for "Ask the Councilwoman With Monica Conyers" on WHPR-TV (Channel 33).

The show is filmed live at 3:30 p.m. at the station's studios in Highland Park.

After showing commercials for 10 minutes, the station aired last week's debut episode.

"She didn't make it," said R.J. Watkins, owner of the station. "The staff is here. The guest is here. She didn't show."

Left waiting was her guest, the Rev. Wendell Anthony, president of the Detroit Branch NAACP.

Conyers spokeswoman Denise Tolliver blamed an undisclosed meeting that ran long. Tolliver said she expects Conyers to appear next week.

"Her meeting ran long. She couldn't be right on time (for the live show)," Tolliver said. "We had to make a quick decision to run the old show. Because it's live, we had to get something on."

Conyers, the wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, will interview guests, offer two minutes of commentary and take calls from the public. She's reached out to mayoral candidates Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr. and Dave Bing, but neither has agreed to be on the show. 

A 13-week contract is being negotiated, said Henry Tyler, the station's program director.

Conyers joins fellow council member JoAnn Watson and state Rep. Coleman A. Young II, both of whom have air time.

Watch highlights of last week's show at detnews.com/detroitcityhallinsider.com.
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Post by: Scipio on April 15, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
QuoteAging, dingy and in severe need of more space and renovations, Granholm, the Legislature and regional leaders agreed in December on a five-member regional authority to run Cobo and the extension of hotel, liquor and cigarette taxes to pay for $288 million in upgrades.

Now, that's one hell of a misplaced modifier.  Granholm may be in early middle age, but for a Canadian, she's not that dingy.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Scipio on April 15, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
QuoteAging, dingy and in severe need of more space and renovations, Granholm, the Legislature and regional leaders agreed in December on a five-member regional authority to run Cobo and the extension of hotel, liquor and cigarette taxes to pay for $288 million in upgrades.

Now, that's one hell of a misplaced modifier.  Granholm may be in early middle age, but for a Canadian, she's not that dingy.

:lol:

Good catch, and from the Pulitzer winning Free Press.
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Post by: Barrister on April 15, 2009, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 14, 2009, 08:25:32 AM
Great. Detroit, new destination for adventure tourism.

Move over, Papua New Guinea.

I've heard that it is.  Something about Urban Exploring / Spelunking.

http://www.forgottendetroit.com/
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Post by: Scipio on April 15, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Scipio on April 15, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
QuoteAging, dingy and in severe need of more space and renovations, Granholm, the Legislature and regional leaders agreed in December on a five-member regional authority to run Cobo and the extension of hotel, liquor and cigarette taxes to pay for $288 million in upgrades.

Now, that's one hell of a misplaced modifier.  Granholm may be in early middle age, but for a Canadian, she's not that dingy.

:lol:

Good catch, and from the Pulitzer winning Free Press.

Are we sure that's not Pullet Surprise?
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Post by: Savonarola on April 18, 2009, 06:33:24 AM
QuoteCobo may lose grip on car show
Expansion deal dies after Cockrel loses appeal
Darren A. Nichols and Christina Stolarz / The Detroit News
Detroit --The Cobo Center expansion is dead, organizers of the North American International Auto Show -- its premier event -- may explore leaving town, and city and suburban leaders are squabbling over who's to blame.

Hours after the Michigan Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling Friday killing the deal, auto show organizers said they're open to other venues, while acknowledging few alternatives exist in southeast Michigan. The court ruling nixed a transfer to a regional authority -- once hailed as an example of area cooperation -- that would have overseen a $288 million expansion to the decades-old facility.

"We've got an obligation and a responsibility to the show to provide it with the best venue possible," said Joe Serra, the co-chairman of the 2009 show. The event pumps $350 million to $500 million into the economy.

"It's only proper we keep an open mind to all options. Our dream was to stay at Cobo and make (the show) a part of Detroit. That's why we've been so patient over the years and make that work. Our hearts are with Detroit and Cobo."

Doug Fox, a show co-chairman, said organizers aren't interested in leaving Cobo, but would "at least listen to those options and consider them." They have a commitment to stay at Cobo through 2010.

"I don't believe there is a facility that meets our needs," Fox said. "We were hopeful this was going to be our solution, and maybe it can still be our solution. Our goal all along is to stay in Detroit. We've made this clear for many years."

The two antagonists in the deal -- Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson and City Council President Monica Conyers -- blame each other for the deal's collapse. Patterson said he's open to revisiting the deal after the November city elections, should voters elect a new council.

'Let the dust settle'
"We have to back it up and let the dust settle," Patterson said. "When the (mayoral and Detroit City Council) elections are over, maybe we'll have a more reasonable group with which to engage. I'd be willing to submit the identical legislation. If they try to change the terms, Oakland County has no interest."

Conyers said Patterson should "stop trashing Detroit and its leaders and act like a grownup and come back to the table." She added that Patterson, whom she reached out to late Friday afternoon to urge him to come back to the table, is upset "because he cannot control us."

"Do not make this about me instead of dealing with the issues," Conyers said. "We are tired of his divisiveness and attacks on our elected officials. When he wants to deal with the issues instead of attacking the person, then we can talk."


In a unanimous decision, the Court of Appeals affirmed Wayne Circuit Judge Isidore Torres' decision that Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr. illegally vetoed a City Council resolution blocking the transfer. Cockrel argued the city charter allows mayors to veto council resolutions, but the court agreed that a December law gave the council sole power to thwart the deal.

Council members said Detroit should have received more than $20 million for the facility and more than one vote on the authority. The five-member authority was to be composed of one representative apiece from Detroit, the state and Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties.

The authority was set to take over Monday. Instead, the city retains ownership and has no plans for renovations.

Cockrel, who will not appeal, said he disagreed with the ruling but has no regrets.

"A modern, improved Cobo Center is critical to the competitiveness of Detroit and the region," Cockrel said. "I will do whatever is needed to ensure that the much-needed improvements to the facility are made as soon as possible."

Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano said he's not giving up because "we were very close to a deal." He wants to bring the issue back after the May 5 mayoral election.

Granholm sees few options
But Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who signed the legislation in January surrounded by council members who later voted against the deal, said there is little interest in Lansing to create a better one.

"Today's ruling leaves very few options," Granholm said in a released statement. "Once the mayor and the City Council agree on a plan that is acceptable to all of the interested parties, then we will be in a position to move forward."

Two weeks of talks spurred by Torres broke down after members of the regional authority deadlocked over giving Detroiters an edge when awarding contracts, according to those close to the negotiations. Patterson's authority representative, Mike Carroll, wanted all bidders to have an equal shot at doing business at Cobo Center and opposed a plan that benefited Detroit-based enterprises

"Will Oakland County enter into a family and friends purchasing policy? No, not a chance. We don't do that out here," said Bob Daddow, Oakland's deputy executive.

"There isn't much else that can be done. The City Council, who decided to challenge the legislation, got what they wanted. They have to develop a plan to renovate it to save the auto show."

While Patterson called the court ruling a "setback," he did say he wants the auto show to remain in Detroit because "that's where it belongs."

But if the council can't make that happen, Patterson said he'd rather have the event move into the suburbs than Chicago or Las Vegas.

Obviously no one can control the Detroit City Council.  They can't control themselves.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 18, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
Of course Detroit isn't the only city with problems:

QuoteIgnominious end for financial manager
April 18, 2009

There's vandalism, and there's vandalizing someone's wheelchair.


There's burglary, and there's burglarizing the home of a widow who's attending her husband's funeral.

There's double-dipping, and there's skimming hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars from a city that had to close its own fire department.

That's what a three-member state oversight board suggested former Wayne County Commissioner Art Blackwell did when he served as Highland Park's emergency financial manager. Blackwell was fired Friday after board members concluded he had committed "an egregious breach of public trust" by paying himself hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the state had authorized.

Friday's emergency meeting of the Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board was called after Highland Park school board member Robert Davis said records he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act showed that Blackwell cosigned 14 checks to himself from city funds between April and December 2008. The records suggest that Blackwell has collected a total of $495,000 from the state and the city.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm named Blackwell as Highland Park's emergency financial manager at a salary of $1 a year, but the Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board raised his salary last April to $11,000 a month and made it retroactive to October 2007 -- for a current total far less than he has apparently collected.

Blackwell says his critics should focus on Highland Park's improved fiscal posture, for which he claims credit.

Highland Park employees will doubtless be delighted to learn their pension fund is solvent. But the allegation that its emergency financial manager exploited his extraordinary authority to enrich himself beyond what those he worked for authorized or can afford is a gravely serious one that undermines public confidence in the government's integrity.

Blackwell had better come up with a more detailed explanation for his profligate check-writing. And it looks as if he'd better get ready to share it with a jury of his peers.

Boy, Jenny sure can pick them.

There are two municipalities surrounded entirely by Detroit; Highland Park and Hamtramck.  Hamtramck is the old Polish area of town and is still largely populated by immigrants from Eastern Europe.  Highland Park was the world headquarters of Chrysler until they moved to Auburn Hills in the early 90s.  Both cities have had fiscal problems over the years; but Highland Park was in much worse shape, which is why they had a state appointed fiscal manager.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 18, 2009, 10:40:42 AM
re:  Cobo

So, Detroit would rather have 100% of nothing than 20% of something?  You go, Monica!
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Post by: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 06:41:20 PM
Crazy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30311735/

QuoteDetroit councilman walks away from mortgage
Candidate for mayor saw value of home tumble as payment set to rise

DETROIT - It was their dream home, a two-story, four-bedroom colonial in one of Detroit's nicest and most stable neighborhoods.

But then, one day in December, City Councilman Kwame Kenyatta and his wife packed up their belongings, locked the doors, mailed in the keys and walked away — adding another vacant house to the thousands in a city hard hit by the nation's mortgage crisis.

"We're already underwater when it comes to what we're paying on the house versus what the house is worth," Kenyatta said.

Around the country, the practice, sometimes referred to as "mortgage walking" or "jingle mail," appears to be growing. But for Kenyatta, the decision could do more than hurt his credit rating.

It could damage his bid for mayor of Detroit this summer, particularly since he has been one of the city's most vocal supporters of measures to improve neighborhoods and clean up blight.

"If I'm going to follow you, you need to be a leader," said Patricia Dixon, a former neighbor of Kenyatta's. "You don't show leadership by walking away from your home in the city of Detroit. You have vandalism where they find out the houses are vacant. You have people stealing fireplaces."

Kenyatta, a Democrat, is not the only elected official facing mortgage trouble. The Wayne County prosecutor's Detroit home has gone into foreclosure. And California Rep. Laura Richardson nearly lost her home before she paid up delinquent home loans.

Walking away from a mortgage isn't illegal; the bank takes possession and tries to sell the house. But "it just puts more properties in foreclosures, and that's the last thing we need right now. That's just pulling the median sales price down," said Karen Kage, who runs a real estate listing service in suburban Detroit.

In Detroit, the median sales price for a home is now a pathetic $5,800, down more than $66,000 from seven years ago. An estimated 16,000 foreclosed homes are on the market in the city of about 920,000 residents. Detroit also has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation, at around 20 percent.

Kenyatta's former neighborhood, North Rosedale Park, is unlike most of the rest of Detroit. Stately, well-kept brick homes line quiet, winding streets. It fights to hold off blight from surrounding northwest side neighborhoods.

Kenyatta's former home is the ugly duckling on its block. Dead grass spreads gray across the lawn. Withered advertising circulars are strewn about the porch and the hedges.

Bought for $225,000, the home nose-dived in value to $100,000, according to Kenyatta. Its manageable $2,600-a-month mortgage soon was about to soar about $1,000.

About five months ago, the Kenyattas moved to a rented condo on the city's east side. It has three bedrooms, four baths, a whirlpool bath, finished basement and garage. The rent is less than their old mortgage. (In Detroit, City Council members are elected from the city at large, not from districts, so leaving the neighborhood does not affect Kenyatta's eligibility to serve.)

"It's not like I'm making out like a fat rat here," Kenyatta said. "The credit is now going to be shot."

Kenyatta said that because his mortgage payments were made on time and he was not in foreclosure, he did not qualify for any relief programs through his lender.

Kenyatta, 53, once served on the Detroit school board and was a Wayne County commissioner before winning his council seat in 2005. He council salary is about $81,000 a year. His wife, Monifa, also a former county commissioner, is retired.

Kenyatta said he hopes voters can separate the personal from the political with the August mayoral primary approaching.

"History will show that some of the greatest leaders who did great work for the public may not have done so good by themselves," he said. "In most cases, they neglect themselves to take care of the people's business. My record in public office, I'm proud of it. I think I've done good."

But public confidence in Detroit's political leadership has been in the cellar for more than a year, beginning with the scandal over then-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's affair with his chief aide. Both were charged with perjury and sent to jail.

Kenyatta can only hope that Detroit voters are forgiving.

"If voters view being an excellent financial manager as an essential quality for the mayor, then it may cause him problems," said Lyke Thompson, director of the Center for Urban Studies at Wayne State University in Detroit. "If on the other hand, they sympathize with him because so many voters have had similar troubles, it may be less of a problem."

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press
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Post by: Neil on April 20, 2009, 07:04:43 PM
Old.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 07:12:11 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 06:41:20 PMKwame Kenyatta

:lol: You're not African, dude.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2009, 12:52:56 PM
The FREEP won it all:

QuoteFree Press wins Pulitzer for mayor probe
Panel cites 'uncovering of a pattern of lies' by Kilpatrick, Beatty
Francis X. Donnelly / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The Detroit Free Press won journalism's highest award Monday for an investigation that led to the resignation, conviction and three-month jail stretch of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

The newspaper staff won the Pulitzer Prize for local reporting for the probe, which showed that Kilpatrick committed perjury by denying a dalliance with his chief of staff.

The citation singled out the work of investigative reporters Jim Schaefer and M.L. Elrick, who had pursued the often-troubled mayor for five years.

"This is something you want to do your whole life," Elrick told the ebullient staff in its cramped newsroom in downtown Detroit. "This is validation for all our work."

It was the ninth Pulitzer won by the 177-year-old Free Press, and its first in 19 years. The paper shared the award with the East Valley Tribune of Mesa, Ariz.

In naming the Free Press, the Pulitzer board cited the paper's "uncovering of a pattern of lies by (Kilpatrick and his chief of staff), prompting an investigation of perjury that eventually led to jail terms for the two officials."

Kilpatrick was dogged by questions of irregularities throughout two terms as mayor while the Free Press, The Detroit News and other news outlets frequently chronicled his misbehavior.

But it wasn't until last year that he found himself entangled in a legal morass he couldn't escape.

The Free Press obtained 14,000 text messages written by Kilpatrick and chief of staff Christine Beatty that contradicted their sworn testimonies in a wrongful termination lawsuit filed by two police officials.

The ensuing investigation has won several other prestigious awards, including the George Polk Award, Worth Bingham Prize, Eugene S. Pulliam First Amendment Award and Investigative Reporters and Editors Award.

I hope the reporters thanked Kwame in their acceptance speech.  The couldn't have done it without him.   :)
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Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2009, 01:08:39 PM
Welcome to Detroit! (part 2)

Quote2 Chihuahuas stolen as woman shops in Detroit
Dogs taken from car as woman seeks wig for cancer-stricken grandmother
BY AMBER HUNT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • April 22, 2009

Jaronna McCrae left her Muskegon home Saturday on a mission: to buy a wig so that her cancer-ridden grandmother could feel pretty on Mother's Day.

She was in the city less than 30 minutes, she said, when her car was broken into and the cargo inside — her two red-furred Chihuahuas — was stolen.

"She's been crying for three days," said Jaronna McCrae's mother, Erline McCrae. "She's just hysterical."
Jaronna McCrae, 27, who works in nursing and group homes with mentally ill people, said the dogs were stolen from her car about 10:15 a.m. Saturday while she shopped at Kelly Beauty Supply at Kelly and Houston/Whittier.

"They did it so quick," she said Tuesday through tears from her Muskegon home. "I wasn't even in there for 10 minutes."

McCrae asked that the Free Press not publish the dogs' names so that whoever stole them won't be able to give them commands.

The dogs are a mother-daughter pair. Mom is 4 years old and daughter just turned 1. Both have red fur, though Mom's has some dark undertones throughout.

McCrae said she regularly takes the dogs with her to play with the mentally ill patients with whom she works. They were tag-along dogs so accustomed to riding in the car that they had a nice-sized kennel decorated with a pink bed and a water bowl.
On Saturday, she ventured into Detroit to shop for a wig for her ailing grandmother, Frances Love, who has colon cancer and lost her hair in chemotherapy. McCrae said she felt comfortable leaving the dogs for a few minutes because the weather Saturday was pleasant, so she cracked the car's sunroof and windows.

Within 10 minutes, she said, she heard glass breaking, followed by a car alarm. Fellow patrons tried to grab the dog thieves' license plate but it sped away too quickly, McCrae said.

"They were in a burgundy Oldsmobile Alero and there were two of them," she said. "That's all I know."

McCrae is venturing back to Detroit this weekend to post flyers in hopes of finding her beloved pups. In the meantime, she hopes that making her story public will alert would-be dog buyers to be on the lookout.

Her mother, Erline McCrae, isn't a fan of her daughter returning to Detroit. "You just can't find a dog in a big city," she said.

People with information can call the Detroit Police Department's Eastern District at 313-596-5900.

In the Detroit Institute of Arts there is a collection of pre-Columbian Art including funerary objects.  One item is the statue of a fat little Chihuahua.  This represented the Aztecs hope for good food in the afterlife.  This story reminded me of that.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2009, 04:35:15 PM
Accounting, the Detroit way:

QuoteDetroit audit: Use of funds violated city policy
By ZACHARY GORCHOW • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • April 22, 2009

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A petty cash fund in Detroit's Water and Sewerage Department was improperly used to pay $1,400 for the retrieval of a city truck that was impounded after the city employee driving it was caught in a prostitution sting, according to an audit of the department.

Funds from one of the department's petty cash funds also paid a total of $44,900 for two annual dinners in the 2005-06 and 2006-07 fiscal years to honor retiring employees - at a cost of $57.25 and $55 per person, respectively.

Not only did that violate city policy that bars the use of taxpayer funds for food when it is not for public or governmental purposes that serve the entire community, it also more than doubled the city's per person dinner limit of $23.

The report from the Detroit auditor general, obtained by the Free Press, covers activity in the department's petty cash funds between July 2006 and September 2008 - all during the time when former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was in office. Kilpatrick resigned in September 2008.

It details wide-ranging violations of city policy on the use of funds from petty cash, which is supposed to be used for infrequent or emergency purposes.

Among the audit's major findings:

• Purchases of regularly needed office supplies that should have been done through the requisition process or put up for bid were made from petty cash

• $51,050 from unspecified other departmental sources was improperly routed into one of the department's petty cash funds - $44,900 of which was used to pay for the retirement dinners.

• Lack of safeguards over the funds, including no training, custodians of the funds not having a copy of the city's imprest cash fund manual and failure to segregate duties to ensure separate authority over check signing and of the cash itself.

• Twelve of the department's 16 petty cash funds had unresolved shortages or overages at the end of the 2007-08 fiscal year.

• The department's main petty cash fund, at $12,000, is inappropriate and showed a nearly $3,000 shortage. Department officials responded the reason for the shortage was that "a former clerk did not keep a running balance" and the balance was "never reviewed and corrected." The audit called for reducing the size of the fund to reflect actual monthly activity.

In response, Department Director Pamela Turner, who was appointed by Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr., said officials would implement procedures to correct the problems.

The department also is seeking reimbursement of the $1,400 from the water department employee over the impoundment of the city truck.

Chief Financial Officer Joseph Harris, who also began his job under Cockrel, said the city would correct the problems. Harris said his department -- the Finance Department -- should not have approved the food purchases and has since rejected subsequent department food and refreshment requests that violated city policy.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
QuoteConyers, Karmanos wrangle over issues at political breakfast
Participants bemoan lack of cooperation among suburbs, city
BY KATHLEEN GRAY • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • April 23, 2009
The topic was "Economy, Regionalism and Race Relations," but in metro Detroit this morning, none was in very good shape.

The panelists at the Pancakes and Politics breakfast were an odd conglomeration of business and politics: Detroit City Council President Monica Conyers; Peter Karmanos, Compuware founder and new boss to Kwame Kilpatrick; think tank founder Phil Power and demographer Kurt Metzger.

There were all frustrated that better cooperation among regional leaders seems to be an elusive goal that is harming not only Detroit, but the rest of the region and the state.

"The Center for Michigan is holding a series of community conversations and we've talked to 3,500 people so far in the state," Power said. "Uniformly people tell us we have to recognize that this is an entire region. And if Detroit puts a moat around the city, it hurts everyone."

The dispute over ownership and operations of Cobo Hall was a tier one topic at the breakfast and Conyers said the blame for the death of the deal lies with Oakland County officials and Gov. Jennifer Granholm. She said the token $20-million payment a regional authority would have paid the city for the Cobo was unacceptable.

"We don't want any tokens, because I don't consider myself a token," she said. "Stimulus money is available for convention centers. The problem is the governor doesn't want to give us money to use for Cobo Hall."

Conyers also said she believes abandoned buildings in the city should be converted to outlet stores and that term limits should be instituted for the Detroit City Council, mayor and school board.


"If you continue to have the same people, you never get new people with creative ideas," she said.

Karmanos said the sorry state of the city's schools is one of the failures that is fueling the lack of regionalism in the metro region.

"When I went to school in Detroit, it was one of the best districts in the nation and the teachers weren't part of the union," he said. "Today, everyone is in the union and we uniformly have poor schools throughout the region."

The lack of progress being made on mass transit in metro Detroit is one of the biggest signs that regionalism has been unsuccessful, Metzger said.

"We've got to get light rail just up to West Grand Boulevard first," he said, but the economy is hampering many redevelopment efforts.

"Detroit can be the laboratory for radical redevelopment," he said. "But. we have suburbs against suburbs, nobody has any money and financially we're all suffering."

As for Kilpatrick, Karmanos said he's doing well and that coworkers have described him as "a breath of fresh air."

I don't consider Monica a token either.  She's more like a symptom of a broader problem.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
I'm hearing whispers that a Monica recall is in the works.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 23, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
I'm hearing whispers that a Monica recall is in the works.
It's taken this much bad press and this many reports of bad behavior? We tried to petition to get our governor recalled for less.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 23, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
I'm hearing whispers that a Monica recall is in the works.
It's taken this much bad press and this many reports of bad behavior? We tried to petition to get our governor recalled for less.

Sad, eh?  Remember that the people of Detroit re-elected the Kwamster for a second term after they knew about many of his misdealings.  I'm not saying they're stupid, but I lack the appropriate term for them.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 23, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
I'm hearing whispers that a Monica recall is in the works.
It's taken this much bad press and this many reports of bad behavior? We tried to petition to get our governor recalled for less.

She wasn't City Council Chair until last September.  Prior to that she was just another city council member; and she's hardly the only crazy person on the city council. 

Recalling her really isn't worth the effort.  The recall campaigns against Kwame Kilpatrick was delayed and blocked repeatedly by the courts.  This is an election year for the city; even if a recall effort could go through, it probably wouldn't before the elections were held.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
It's the thought that counts.  I'll sign that petition.  I live close enough to Detroit.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 23, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
Recalling her really isn't worth the effort.  The recall campaigns against Kwame Kilpatrick was delayed and blocked repeatedly by the courts.  This is an election year for the city; even if a recall effort could go through, it probably wouldn't before the elections were held.
Well, if you're already into her election year, then no, it's not worth the effort. Can't you just set up and advertise some kind of repository of the bad press Conyers has gotten to ensure the public sees how bad she is for Detroit and votes her out?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 23, 2009, 09:50:10 AM
Well, if you're already into her election year, then no, it's not worth the effort. Can't you just set up and advertise some kind of repository of the bad press Conyers has gotten to ensure the public sees how bad she is for Detroit and votes her out?

You would think so, but there are a couple problems with this idea.  First is that all 9 city councilmen are elected at large.  A negative campaign directed at her would generate publicity and probably keep her in office.  The second is that Detroiters, as a rule, are not overly fond of the suburbs.  A negative campaign against her funded in part by white suburbanites would guarantee her the most votes on the council slate and give her a second term as council president.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 10:45:07 AM
I wish every week could be audit week  :)

QuoteDetroit parking agency blasted in city audit
Mismanagement has led to lack of control over revenues, it says
BY ZACHARY GORCHOW and NAOMI R. PATTON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • April 23, 2009
Chronic mismanagement of Detroit's Municipal Parking Department has led to a lack of control over the $30 million that the city's parking meters and garages collect, according to a scathing report from the city's auditor general.

The report showed startling swings in the revenue generated by city garages, with some facilities fluctuating by as much as $111,000 from month to month.

Department officials also were unable to explain to auditors why the Ford Underground Garage -- a busy facility beneath East Jefferson Avenue that serves the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center -- reported no revenue for several months.

The parking department audit, like two others for separate departments submitted to the City Council this week by Auditor General Loren Monroe, catalogs violations of city policy on the use of petty cash and a lack of safeguards of public money.

Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel, whose Budget, Finance and Audit Committee is to review the audits, said the parking department has suffered from a "fundamental breakdown in process and procedure," saying any department "over time will stop functioning" without adhering to departmental policies.

All of the audits examined conduct that occurred between 2006 and September or October 2008 -- when former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was still in office. Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. took office Sept. 19.

Officials with the Municipal Parking Department failed to verify the revenues reported by the private firm that manages parking for Cobo Center and Joe Louis Arena and thought they lacked the power to audit those contracts, when in fact they do have that power.
The problems were so serious that Monroe recommended reorganizing the department by either having a company lease the parking facilities from the city, or moving some of the department's functions into other agencies.

The parking facilities are now managed by private firms that collect the revenue for the city.
In response, parking Director Shawny DeBerry said some of the departmental issues identified in the audit were "not necessarily accurate," but "MPD will uphold the recommendations and correct any deficiencies that were discovered by your office."

DeBerry, a Cockrel appointee and holdover from the Kilpatrick administration, has served as MPD director since September 2007.

The department operates and maintains 23 parking facilities.

Mayoral spokesman Anthony Neely said an independent audit by KPMG, an auditing firm, shows that the problems within the department have been changed or are in the process of being fixed.

Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
Sad, eh?  Remember that the people of Detroit re-elected the Kwamster for a second term after they knew about many of his misdealings.  I'm not saying they're stupid, but I lack the appropriate term for them.

Despite all his faults, Kwame kept it real.   :cool:

That's something that cannot be said about Hill, Hendrix and Archer.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
this is a fascinating thread. now that I live in Ontario, I should make plans to goto Detroit for some apocalypse tourism.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Brain on April 23, 2009, 11:53:30 AM
QuoteDepartment officials also were unable to explain to auditors why the Ford Underground Garage -- a busy facility beneath East Jefferson Avenue that serves the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center -- reported no revenue for several months.

It's Ford. Duh.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
this is a fascinating thread. now that I live in Ontario, I should make plans to goto Detroit for some apocalypse tourism.

I'll buy you a beer if you do.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
this is a fascinating thread. now that I live in Ontario, I should make plans to goto Detroit for some apocalypse tourism.

I'd be afraid of running into mole rats and super mutant behemoths.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
this is a fascinating thread. now that I live in Ontario, I should make plans to goto Detroit for some apocalypse tourism.

I'd be afraid of running into mole rats and super mutant behemoths.  :Embarrass:

I'll buy you a beer if you are maimed by mole rats or super mutant behemoths in Detroit.  :unsure:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
this is a fascinating thread. now that I live in Ontario, I should make plans to goto Detroit for some apocalypse tourism.

I'll buy you a beer if you do.   :)

As will I.  A tall, cold Stroh's.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 04:19:56 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
Sad, eh?  Remember that the people of Detroit re-elected the Kwamster for a second term after they knew about many of his misdealings.  I'm not saying they're stupid, but I lack the appropriate term for them.

Despite all his faults, Kwame kept it real.   :cool:

That's something that cannot be said about Hill, Hendrix and Archer.

In what way, exactly?  I still want to know who killed the stripper.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
beer AND mutants!

I gotta go at some point.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Barrister on April 23, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
beer AND mutants!

I gotta go at some point.

I have it on good authority that Detroiters do not like it when you call them "mutants". 
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 23, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
I'll buy you a beer if you are maimed by mole rats or super mutant behemoths in Detroit.  :unsure:

If I am, first you will have to buy me a rez  :(
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on April 24, 2009, 08:37:15 AM
Looks like I'll be going to Detroit next month. I am taking my gun. And my slapjack.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on April 24, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
You should bring a flak jacket too. 
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Post by: Caliga on April 24, 2009, 09:33:21 AM
Also a Fat Man + many Mini Nukes.  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on April 24, 2009, 12:07:40 PM
To stay in the fallout motif, I'll have my tunnel snakes jacket.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 01, 2009, 10:17:48 AM
QuotePoll: Detroiters dissatisfied with Conyers
Darren A. Nichols and Leonard N. Fleming / The Detroit News
Detroit -- City residents are divided on whether they trust suburban officials to give Detroit a square deal on regional issues, but overwhelmingly disapprove of City Council President Monica Conyers' leadership on Cobo Center and other issues, a Detroit News/WXYZ-Channel 7 poll shows.

The poll of 400 likely voters in Tuesday's mayoral matchup between Kenneth Cockrel Jr. and Dave Bing suggests Conyers' Detroit-first message resonates with nearly half of the electorate, but most disapprove of her. The poll had Cockrel leading 39 percent to 33 percent, but found that 24 percent of voters remain undecided.

The survey found Detroiters split on whether they "trust the government leaders of surrounding communities to fairly deal with the City of Detroit as an equal partner," with 47 percent trusting suburbanites and 45 not.

Those issues were underscored in the recent debate about the transfer of Cobo Center from the city to a regional authority, which would have cleared the way for a $288 million expansion. Conyers led the fight that killed the effort, arguing that $20 million wasn't enough for the city to give up the riverfront facility.

The poll by Lansing-based EPIC-MRA, which has an error rate of 4.9 percentage points, shows 81 percent of residents gave Conyers poor marks for "handling issues where she has taken a public stand, such as the recent Cobo Hall expansion."

Just 6 percent gave her "excellent" marks.

The numbers reveal little support for a Conyers' write-in campaign for mayor: 4 percent of voters said they would vote for her if she ran Tuesday, while 42 percent favored Cockrel and 30 percent went with Bing.

Another 80 percent gave negative marks to the City Council that Conyers leads. And 69 percent said they view Conyers unfavorably.

"There is a clear negative image or view of her," pollster Bernie Porn said. "She's clearly not connecting with voters. The only positive thing is her numbers are not better than the Detroit City Council as an institution."

Conyers issued a statement emphasizing the poll's margin of error and adding, "polls do not vote, people vote."

Earlier in the week, she told viewers of her TV show that she is emboldened by press criticism.

"If the media is saying bad things about you, you must be doing something right for the city of Detroit," Conyers said on "Ask the Councilwoman with Monica Conyers on WHPR-Channel 33.

In Detroit they don't even have to be living people.

Regardless it's good to see the City Council is despised even in the city limits.  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: saskganesh on May 01, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
beer AND mutants!

I gotta go at some point.

I have it on good authority that Detroiters do not like it when you call them "mutants".

well, who do they think they are? Vault City?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 01, 2009, 11:54:43 AM
From Nolan Finley's Blog in the Detroit News:

QuoteDetroit's entitlement culture withers a bright, blue dream

I remember when Dick Dauch bought American Axle Manufacturing from General Motors and poured tanker truckloads of bright blue paint over what was then a dreary complex of parts plants sprawling across Hamtramck and Detroit.

Dauch, the quintessential factory man, was hell-bent on proving heavy manufacturing could still be done here, with a union work force, and with the Big 3 automakers as the customer base. That eye-catching paint job was the symbol of his hopes.

Now, 15 years later, Dauch is cutting the Detroit work force sharply and consolidating the work in Three Rivers, Mich., and Mexico. He isn't mealy-mouthed about the reasons:

"This isn't a North America problem, or a Michigan problem. It isn't a union problem. It's a Detroit problem," says Dauch, who has headed manufacturing for GM, Chrysler and Volkswagen North America. "Detroit has an entitlement culture -- 'You owe me this job.'

"Detroit can compete on quality, but it can't compete on costs. And the difference in the global economy is cost structure."

Dauch is still obviously angry over the 87-day strike by the United Auto Workers union against AAM last year in response to demands for concessions. In the end, the new contract reduced wage and benefit costs, but that was only part of the answer.

"The No. 1 disadvantage to being in Detroit is labor costs," Dauch says. "No. 2 is reliability."

Detroit has the highest absenteeism rate of any AAM facility. In Mexico, Three Rivers, Indiana and elsewhere, absenteeism is barely a blip. Many days, the Mexican plant -- also unionized -- has no workers absent.

But in Detroit, absenteeism runs at least twice as high, and on some days it can approach nearly one-third of the workforce in parts of the plant. Lines have been shut down because not enough employees show up.

"I've been working since Aug. 24, 1964, and I've taken three-and-a-half sick days," says Dauch. "I've got employees who miss two or three days a week."


Maybe that would have flown 30 years ago when Detroit was still fat and happy. But jobs are fungible today. Employers like Dauch have a fiduciary responsibility to take work where it will be done most efficiently.

It isn't just about hourly wages. Dauch's employees in Three Rivers, also UAW members, make about the same hourly rate. But they've agreed to a contract that gives the company more operating flexibility, and they show up for work.

Dauch says he hasn't given up on North America. In fact, he's opened four plants in the United States, including one in Indiana. He hasn't even given up on Detroit. He's keeping the equipment here and, if business picks up, may bring back work.

But he offers fair warning to this job-starved city. We aren't entitled to anything, least of all a job that someone someplace else is willing to do not just cheaper, but also better.

Wednesday, I listened to several autoworkers complain on the radio about union-busting corporations, unfair trade policies and the loss of middle-class manufacturing jobs.

But not one mentioned that on the same day, there were places in Dauch's now-faded blue Detroit factory where nearly one in three workers were AWOL.

Way to kick the Unions when they're down, Nolan.   :)

Finley is the conservative blogger and The Detroit News usually endorses Republican candidates.  Even so I was surprised by Dauch's comments about his workers' absenteeism.  I thought you had to work for the City of Detroit to take that many sick days.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on May 01, 2009, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 01, 2009, 11:54:43 AM
I thought you had to work for the City of Detroit to take that many sick days.


State of New York works as well.

I know a guy who I officiate with who is a manager for the transportation department. He once told an employee to quit shirking work, and the employee told him to go fuck himself. When he tried to reprimand the employee for not working and telling him to go fuck himself the union stepped in to "mediate" and make sure nothing happened beyond a letter in the file, which was removed after 90 days or something like that.

Unions are awesome!
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 01, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 01, 2009, 11:59:56 AM
State of New York works as well.

I know a guy who I officiate with who is a manager for the transportation department. He once told an employee to quit shirking work, and the employee told him to go fuck himself. When he tried to reprimand the employee for not working and telling him to go fuck himself the union stepped in to "mediate" and make sure nothing happened beyond a letter in the file, which was removed after 90 days or something like that.

Unions are awesome!

Did that guy later transfer to the Dept. of Corrections?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 01, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 01, 2009, 12:05:12 PM


Did that guy later transfer to the Dept. of Corrections?

:lol:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on May 01, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
QuoteI've been working since Aug. 24, 1964, and I've taken three-and-a-half sick days

Sounds like an idiot.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on May 01, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
I discovered Detroit Road on my way back from lunch today.  It has a bunch of tiny hovels and some sort of waste/sewage factory (I saw a big burning flame.) :)
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Post by: Savonarola on May 05, 2009, 09:39:26 AM
Summon a cleric; the undead are rising to vote :o

QuoteDetroiters cast ballots for mayor; light voter turnout expected
David Josar, Doug Guthrie and Leonard N. Fleming / The Detroit News
Detroit --Elections officials predict light turnout today for the special election between Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr. and businessman Dave Bing to complete the term of former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

Elections officials predict about 15 percent, but no more than 20 percent. In contrast, slightly more than 13 percent of voters went to the polls to choose the successor to Councilwoman Brenda Scott after she died.

Cockrel, who had been City Council president, became mayor under city charter rules when Kilpatrick resigned and went to jail because of the text-message scandal. Bing, a former Detroit Piston and owner of an automotive supply company, is making his first run for elected office.

No matter who wins, another mayoral primary will be held in August and a general election in November to decide who will be the serve in that post for the four-year term that starts in 2010.

Donning a blazer and baseball cap, Dave Bing and his wife, Yvette, voted this morning at St. Johns Presbyterian Church near downtown as voters streamed past and a media horde gathered.

Bing, the first-time candidate, said he's feeling good about winning.

"I'm excited and the prediction is that we will come out on top," Bing said.

Bing said he has seen a momentum shift toward his candidacy. "I think people are starting to feel that they want change and that change is necessary," he said around 8:15 a.m.

Turnout was light as polls opened this morning at Logan Elementary School on the city's southwest side. About one half-dozen voters had cast their ballots within the first half hour of polls opening at 7 a.m.

George Owen, 65, voted for Cockrel.

"He has done a good job so far," Owen said. "I like Bing but I don't think he brings experience with the politics."

Neighbor Joseph Koziara, 83, voted for Bing.

"I want somebody that don't owe anybody," he said. "You don't have to be a rocket scientist to run a city."

Voters are also being asked if they want a charter commission to convene and rework some of the rules that direct city government. If the measure is approved, nine charter commission members will be elected in November.

Polls close at 8 p.m.

Not as exciting as the last one.  In fact the dead might be disenfranchised this election; Detroit has a new city clerk who is supposed to have cleaned up the voter records.  The big issue, in my opinion, isn't the mayor, but the charter.  Many things could be improved with simple changes to the charter, most important of all would be setting up districts for the city council rather than having all of them elected at large.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on May 05, 2009, 09:42:09 AM
Does Detroit hide its Charter in the Charter 40?  :cool:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 05, 2009, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 01, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
I discovered Detroit Road on my way back from lunch today.  It has a bunch of tiny hovels and some sort of waste/sewage factory (I saw a big burning flame.) :)

I found a bar called "Detroit" in London.  It sort of looked like the Mos Eisley Cantina from Star Wars.  That wasn't very Detroit, so I jacked the owner's car to make it more authentic.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 05, 2009, 11:08:24 AM
It's been two weeks since our last scandal; we were long overdue:

QuoteDetroit pension trustees travel globe as funds lose billions
Some trips were lavish, but full records not released
BY JENNIFER DIXON AND TINA LAM • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 5, 2009

Detroit's public pension trustees approved trips last year to more than 100 conferences around the globe, even as the city's two pension funds were losing billions.

And trustees weren't the only ones allowed to travel. The funds' executive secretary, assistant secretaries and one or two attorneys also were approved routinely for trips.

It's not clear how many of the 21 trustees, and their staffs, attended these conferences, or what they spent. The public pensions -- one for police and fire, the other for general city workers -- have yet to turn over most travel records sought by the Free Press last year under the state open-records law.

One pension lawyer said the funds destroy travel records after a year or two because of space limitations.

The newspaper was given some records for a recent conference in Dubai. They show that trustee Barbara-Rose Collins, also a city councilwoman, spent more than $9,000 for a business-class seat on her flight alone.


Limited records from 2007 show then-trustee and current City Councilwoman Alberta Tinsley-Talabi was approved to spend four nights in a $710-a-night New York hotel. It's unclear if she used the rooms; the pensions still were seeking her receipts earlier this year.

Political consultant Sam Riddle, former chief of staff to now-Council President Monica Conyers, traveled with Conyers when she was on the general retirement board, including meetings in Portugal, New York, Hawaii and Hong Kong.

"There's no better place than these exotic locales to cultivate a relationship," he said.


Trustee trips often lack disclosure
Last fall, Barbara-Rose Collins, a trustee on Detroit's police and fire pension fund, decided she wanted to learn more about investing in the Middle East and North Africa.

So she plunked down $6,840 to register for a pension conference in Dubai.


And she booked a business-class plane fare for $9,238. By contrast, the Rev. Wendell Anthony, a trustee on the city's general retirement fund, flew to the same conference for just more than $1,000.

Collins, also a city councilwoman, spent another $485 with Royal Luxury Transport of Dubai, which offers chauffeured sedans and rental cars.


Collins said she opted for the driver because she wanted to see the city and she said unescorted women in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, risk being called whores or sluts, or having stones thrown at them.

In all, Collins spent more than $20,000.



Although her tab represents a sliver of the funds' budgets, the Dubai conference offers a glimpse into the closely guarded, globe-trotting practices of Detroit's two public pensions, where trustees cross continents even as the world financial crisis -- and shaky investments -- have led to more than $2 billion in losses for city workers since mid-2007.


The Free Press is suing the pension boards to obtain a broad range of travel documents under the state Freedom of Information Act. The pensions have attempted to charge thousands of dollars for many records, which the newspaper is disputing.


Other travel records have been denied to the Free Press; pension lawyers, citing a lack of storage space, say they destroy travel receipts as a matter of policy after closing the books on a given year.


The lack of disclosure makes it impossible to say how often trustees and staff travel. The funds' longtime attorney, Ronald Zajac, won't comment.


Collins concedes her airfare was costly, but blames the high fee on her chief of staff.


"I will just have to pay better attention -- not just get on an airplane and go," Collins said. "I agree that's a lot of money. I'm glad that I went business class, but I bet I could have found a cheaper fare if I had tried."


Miami, Mumbai and more
According to meeting minutes, trustees for Detroit's two pensions, representing about 20,000 retirees, approved travel to more than 100 conferences around the world in 2008.

Trustees for the general retirement fund approved trips by 13 people to attend 84 conferences in cities such as London, Dubai, Singapore, Miami, Las Vegas, Key West, Ft. Lauderdale and Mumbai, India.




The police and fire fund approved trips for 15 people to attend about three dozen conferences in places like Palm Springs, Calif., New York City and Scottsdale, Ariz.


Geoffrey Hirt, a finance professor at DePaul University in Chicago, said it makes no sense for trustees, whose concern should be protecting retirees' assets, to approve so many conferences for so many people.


"People should be allocated a certain number of meetings a year, for budgetary reasons," Hirt said.


"Any time you spend a dollar on a meeting, that's not going into a rate of return," Hirt said. "The question becomes, how much should you spend to keep these people well-educated? They haven't been well-educated on corporate governance because they're not practicing good corporate governance."


The pension funds have been accused of excessive travel for at least 15 years.


In 2007, the Free Press reported that 13 trustees were planning to attend a conference in Hawaii, among them then-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and then-Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings, making it the second-largest contingent nationwide. The mayor and police chief eventually canceled.


Details edited out
The Free Press obtained the Dubai records under the state open-records law, even as other travel records were denied.

Many details of Collins' $2,931 stay at the Al Murooj Rotana, the conference hotel, were edited out by the police and fire fund, without explanation as the law requires.


In a phone interview Thursday, Collins said she rented a car and driver to have a male escort, at the hotel's recommendation, and covered some costs herself.

"Women don't walk the streets," she said.

Actually, though Dubai is Muslim, it has a large, cosmopolitan tourist population, with luxury shopping and a hedonistic club scene. Women commonly appear on city beaches in bikinis and wear Western garb in public.



Collins said she used the driver to take her out to eat and see the city. "I would have opted for a tour, but the concierge didn't recommend it because of my age," said Collins, 70.

Collins' chauffeur costs were separate from her trips between the airport and the hotel, which cost $41 each way.


The $10,000 version
The Rev. Anthony, a trustee on the city's general retirement pension fund, made the trip with his wife, Monica Anthony. His Dubai trip cost $10,622.

While Collins flew business class, Anthony and his wife flew economy. His flight cost $1,070. The fund did not pay for his wife's ticket.


Anthony's hotel bill was $2,742 and, like Collins', many details were edited out.


Anthony did not return repeated calls seeking comment.


Failures to account
Only a trickle of travel documents has been made public by the pension funds.

In January, the funds released records showing that some trustees had failed to document advance payments for travel in 2007 and 2008.


The funds said former trustee Monica Conyers, now City Council president, had failed to account for thousands of dollars for hotel stays and airline travel.

Conyers disputed that, saying the pension funds had lost some receipts and she had repaid the rest.

Former trustee Alberta Tinsley-Talabi, a member of City Council, was cited for failing to submit receipts for four nights in a New York City hotel in late 2007, where her room rate was $710, and for four nights in Las Vegas at $544 a night. Her office said it was gathering receipts.


Daniel Cherrin, spokesman for Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr., who has representatives on each board, said pension travelers should "exercise common sense and good judgment when using taxpayer dollars."


Retirees respond
Ed Wertz, a retired Detroit cop, called the trip to Dubai "absolutely ludicrous ... particularly at a time when the economy is the way it is."

The pension trustees "have a fiduciary responsibility to the retirees, not themselves," said Wertz, 64.


Dan Pauley, a retired Detroit police sergeant, said he does not support pension trustees "having a grandiose time" with retirees' money.

"Is it really necessary?"

On the road again
Last week, Collins was on the road again, attending a conference in New Orleans, blocks from the French Quarter.

Collins said the New Orleans conference was "very intensive," and she came home with so much literature her baggage exceeded airline weight limits.


She could not say the same about Dubai.


The seminars were complex, with 60 speakers on arcane topics such as the growth in infrastructure investing, deal flow in the secondaries market and sovereign wealth funds.


The Dubai investment environment was so different, Collins took away little of value.


It was "not information that I would use," she said.



Contact JENNIFER DIXON: 248-351-2993 or [email protected]
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 05, 2009, 11:09:32 AM
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Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on May 05, 2009, 11:36:10 AM
That makes no sense...how can they possibly justify having a city administration meeting outside of the city?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 05, 2009, 11:44:05 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2009, 11:36:10 AM
That makes no sense...how can they possibly justify having a city administration meeting outside of the city?

They're not going to these meetings in their role as city council members; but as trustees of the Detroit City Pension Fund.  Just as Socrates was both a general and a philosopher; Barbara Rose-Collins is both a politician and a woman of high finance.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on May 05, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
 :lmfao:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 05, 2009, 01:45:11 PM
I'm actually less worried about the price tag than about the comments that the pension fund destroys records of receipts after just one year. Free Press should make their point by trying to set an audit in motion.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 06, 2009, 09:16:11 AM
Bing wins, charter reform passes.

QuoteMayor Bing: Detroit businessman unseats Cockrel
David Josar, Leonard N. Fleming and Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit --Retired Detroit Pistons great and political newcomer Dave Bing made a dramatic political debut Tuesday, riding a platform as a change agent to a come-from-behind upset of Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr.

With light turnout, Bing outlasted Cockrel, the son of a political icon, by 52-48 percent. Bing serves until year's end and should take office in about a week once the results are certified by the Board of Canvassers. Cockrel returns to lead the council, a post he held before becoming mayor in September when Kwame Kilpatrick resigned and went to jail.

"The real work starts now," said Bing, 65, an NBA Hall of Famer and owner of the Bing Group, to loud cheers at the Doubletree Suites Fort Shelby Hotel.


"What we will bring ... is efficiency, transparency, honesty and integrity back to the mayor's office."

Cockrel, who led in the polls, lost to a first-time politician despite the backing of nearly every powerful union in the city and matching Bing in fundraising in a race that cost more than $2 million. He thanked his staff at a banquet hall in southwest Detroit, pledged his support to Bing and conceded at 11:30 p.m.

"You have not seen the last of me," Cockrel said.

He challenged Bing, who moved last fall from Franklin for the race, to get to know the city.

"Hang out with the brothers in front of the liquor store, drinking 40s out of paper bags. .. Get to know that. Get to understand and know the people you'll be representing."

About 15 percent of voters turned out to help Bing win, continuing the momentum he began after finishing first in the Feb. 24 primary.

Tim Kiska, a University of Michigan-Dearborn professor who analyzed results for The Detroit News, said Bing even won absentee votes, which Cockrel had carried in the primary. Voters also approved a proposal to begin rewriting the city charter, 78-22 percent.

Kiska said residents sent a clear message to a City Hall beset for the last year by scandal.

"The voters were just honked off," Kiska said.

EPIC-MRA pollster Bernie Porn, whose poll last week showed Cockrel with the lead, said late endorsements of Bing may have swayed large swaths of undecided voters. In the past six days, Freman Hendrix, a former deputy mayor who finished third in the February primary, and civil rights icon the Rev. Jesse Jackson endorsed Bing.

"He ended up getting the momentum," said Porn.

Earlier Hendrix supporters said they would favor Bing if their candidate wasn't in the race. "That was a difference maker," Porn said.

Voter Nicole Wells said Hendrix's endorsement helped "seal the deal."

"I'm really ready for something new in Detroit politics," Wells said. "I would love to see a revamp of the entire political system here, including the people."

Bing's victory is part of an unprecedented cycle of four elections in one year, prompted by Kilpatrick's resignation. Voters return for an Aug. 4 primary and Nov. 3 general election to chose a four-year mayor.

Inside Bing's raucous victory party, the Rev. Wendell Anthony led chants of "Dave Bing is the real thing" and cautioned that "the game ain't over."

"There are two more quarters left," said Anthony, president of the Detroit Branch NAACP. "The third quarter is in August. The fourth quarter is in November. (But) it's going to be going into those quarters with Dave Bing as captain."

Cockrel has said he plans on running again.

The filing deadline is Tuesday and already some 60 candidates have pulled petitions for the race.

"Detroit is in trouble," said Adolph Mongo, a political consultant and Cockrel supporter. "I thought it was going to be a close race. We might have four mayors in one year. Can we take that again?"

The Rev. Oscar King, the mayor's pastor, said the loss could build character for Cockrel.

"This is the first race that he's ever lost," King said "So this is a new area for him and character is built through two things: criticism and defeat. So what this will do, it will show everybody the man that he is."

Bing takes office facing a host of challenges, including a $300 million budget deficit and the prospect of mass layoffs among the city's 15,000 workers.

Bing, who has said he will work for free, has promised to retain Police Chief James Barren, but has been vague about other plans.

He's expected soon to announce a team of labor, law and other experts he promised would examine the city's workforce and right-size government.

Bing's first chance to exert his influence -- and work with a sometimes unpredictable council now led by Cockrel -- will be on the city's budget.

The council already has begun reviewing Cockrel's spending plan, but could scrap the process and start from scratch.

Bing supporters said they were drawn by his message of change, business experience and break from business as usual at City Hall.

Some such as Marcia Richardson, 54, said Cockrel had his chance and failed to impress.

"I'm interested in seeing more change than I've seen since Cockrel got into office," said Richardson, who lives on the east side.

"He's the one who was supposed to have a relationship and the connections. I know the city; everyone is really hurting right now with the economy, but we should see some services restored. ... Cockrel knew what was going on so he should have had a way to make things happen while he had the chance."

Cockrel earned high marks early in his eight months in office, winning kudos for a series of appointments and completing long-overdue audits.

But he picked a fight with the City Council and lost over the expansion of Cobo Center.

Some political observers, such as zoning board member Jonathan Kinloch, said the fight made Cockrel seem ineffective and fueled his defeat.

Weird concession speech, Shrek.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 06, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
What would you do if your last name was "Porn", anyway?  :P


I bet his emails get caught in spam filters all the time.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on May 06, 2009, 11:23:54 AM
So...is it a good thing that Mr. Bing won?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 06, 2009, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2009, 11:23:54 AM
So...is it a good thing that Mr. Bing won?

I don't know.  As an entrepreneur, Bing has business connections that Shrek does not and he is a hall-of-famer that might open some doors.  On the other hand Shrek has a lifetime of political experience, the support of the city unions and has lived in Detroit all his life.  If I lived in the city of Detroit I would have voted for Cockrel; but I don't think either choice was a disaster.  Even if Bing doesn't pan out there is another mayoral election in November.

The advantage to Bing winning is that Shrek returns to the city council as council president and Monica Conyers is demoted to Mayor Pro Tempore.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Syt on May 06, 2009, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 06, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
What would you do if your last name was "Porn", anyway?  :P


I bet his emails get caught in spam filters all the time.

I hear the city of Scunthorpe used to have problems in the old days of the interwebs.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 06, 2009, 11:52:22 AM
Does Monica have to run for her seat in November too?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 06, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 06, 2009, 11:52:22 AM
Does Monica have to run for her seat in November too?

Yes, all city councilmen and the mayor are up for election in November.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 06, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
QuoteViolence may take Cinco de Mayo parade out of Detroit
Santiago Esparza and George Hunter / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The city's annual Cinco de Mayo parade, an 83-year mainstay, likely will be moved to the suburbs because of violence that broke out at Sunday's event, organizers said.

The Mexican Patriotic Committee has staged the two-mile parade from Patton Park to Clark Park on West Vernor in southwest Detroit, but a fight that broke up the parade briefly Sunday, along with a fatal shooting two blocks south of the parade route, has organizers making plans to move the event out of the city, committee co-president Belda Garza said.

"It is unfortunate when anything like that happens in our community," said Garza, a former state representative. "We want to attract the hard working families and give them a fun weekend."

The committee is considering Wyandotte or Dearborn as possible locations, Garza said.

Gloria Rocha, committee co-vice president, said there have been rumors in the past about possible gang violence spilling over into the parade or related festivities, but it had never happened before Sunday.

"Of course we are worried," Rocha said. "Violence has never been this close."

About 40 young men fought in the street as the parade neared a close at Clark Park, witnesses said. They exchanged punches and threw bottles. The melee was over quickly as Detroit police officers on motorcycles and in SUVs broke up the fight.

Lincoln Park resident Emmy Vega attended the parade with her husband, 4-year-old daughter and several nieces and nephews. Vega, 25, who is four months pregnant, decided to leave after the fight.

"The gang fighting started toward the end of the parade," Vega said. "There were guys throwing up Latin Counts gang signs and wearing red bandannas."

Red is the Latin Counts' color.

"They started hollering back and forth, then the fighting started," said Vega, who has lived in southwestern Detroit most of her life. "It was just too much. We had planned to stay for the festivities after the parade, but we decided enough is enough. It was insane. I'm glad we left."

About three hours after the parade ended, a 25-year-old man was fatally shot in the head while sitting in a car at Scotten and Porter, a few blocks from the parade route.

Detroit police Sgt. Eren Stephens Bell said investigators were probing the slaying and fight, although she said police believe the murder does not appear to be gang related.

Ole!
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 06, 2009, 04:27:51 PM
Good to see Conyers demoted to probable less soundbites.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 06, 2009, 04:59:43 PM
I think this editorial from the Detroit News nicely summarizes the challenges Bing faces:

QuoteEditorial: Bing's task
Ex-Pistons star must grab reins of city government and move quickly to confront Detroit's problems

The Detroit News
Congratulations are due to Dave Bing. He won a hard-fought campaign to complete former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's term. He now has about half a year to solidify his hold on the office and prepare for the final challenge this fall to win a full term of his own.

Bing knows the difficulties he faces. He's promised to bring in a team of experts to get a handle on city government. They'll need to move fast. The city is in a state of decline, with auto industry reeling and some proud industrial icons in danger of disappearing.

Detroit's revenues have been trending down over the last decade. The combined total of state revenue sharing and casino taxes is greater than the combined yield of the city's property and income taxes. A healthy city would not be so dependent on state aid and gambling revenues.

The city's administration is in a state of disarray. A recent series of audits of the city's finance, water and parking departments, covering part of Kilpatrick's tenure, revealed an inability to account for revenues and spending. In the case of the parking department, the problem involves millions.

The city is confronting a deficit that has been estimated variously at $250 million to $300 million and delicate negotiations with municipal labor unions, which will have to give up more in pay or benefits if the budget is to be brought into balance.

In addition, Bing must deal with a City Council that can be truculent and divisive. The council's majority has already squandered a great deal of good will in the state capital and among Detroit's neighbors as it slapped away a very good deal to regionalize the governing board of Cobo Center in return for an infusion of cash to refurbish the aging convention hall. As a result, the city is in real danger of losing the North American International Auto Show.

Bing has the advantage of being well-regarded throughout the area. Now he must try and restore some of that good will and win cooperation from Lansing and the suburbs.

The city's school district is notorious for being ineffective and wasteful. It may well be that Bing could find himself coping with its problems too.

All of these issues are sitting on the desk of Mayor Bing. He will quickly have to become expert at doing more with less while attempting at the same time to broaden the city's economic base so he can take a break from managing decline. We wish him well. The well-being of the region depends to a large degree on his success.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 07, 2009, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 06, 2009, 04:27:51 PM
Good to see Conyers demoted to probable less soundbites.

I may have spoken to soon:

QuoteConyers gears up for a fight over control of Detroit City Council
Charter says Cockrel's in charge; she says: We'll see what happens
BY NAOMI R. PATTON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • May 7, 2009


As Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. prepares to return to the Detroit City Council as its president, as stipulated by the city charter, current council President Monica Conyers is saying: not so fast.

She told local TV news media that "the charter only speaks to succession forward, it doesn't speak to what happens if the mayor happens to come back. ... That is something council is looking into, but we'll see what happens."

Under the city charter, Cockrel, who was council president, became mayor when Kwame Kilpatrick resigned from that job. The charter says he can return to council as president. Conyers would go back to being president pro-tem.

But if their relationship is any indicator, Cockrel may have a fight on his hands.

Conyers and Cockrel battled before and during the eight months Cockrel has been mayor. The latest clash came when Cockrel vetoed a Conyers-led rejection of legislation that created a regional board to run Cobo Center. A Wayne County judge sided with the council, saying Cockrel lacked the authority to veto the action.

Councilwomen Sheila Cockrel and Alberta Tinsley-Talabi, said they welcome Cockrel's return.

"I'm proud to have served with him," Tinsley-Talabi said. "We'll certainly be cordial."

Usually I'd assume that no one was so petty or short sighted that they'd fight over this; but Monica has defied my expectations in the past.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 07, 2009, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 07, 2009, 08:04:58 AM
I may have spoken to soon:

[snip]

Usually I'd assume that no one was so petty or short sighted that they'd fight over this; but Monica has defied my expectations in the past.

Taking a quick glance myself before I comment on how futile her actions are: http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/legislative/CityClerk/

I see Detroit sells a publication of charter amendments, so I'm not sure if this will be totally up-to-date, but hopefully it'll give me an idea of what I'm looking at.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 07, 2009, 12:56:24 PM
The family that misspends money together...

QuoteRep. Conyers tops in use of campaign funds for travel
Election watchdogs raise questions whether money was spent properly
Gordon Trowbridge / Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -- Rep. John Conyers' campaign committee spent nearly $46,000 on travel and transportation during the first three months of 2009, a figure far higher than his colleagues among senior members of Congress.

The campaign also bought $14,000 worth of Super Bowl tickets for the veteran lawmaker and campaign donors.

Conyers' campaign says every item was a legitimate campaign expense. A Conyers campaign spokesman, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said each dollar was related to campaign requirements.

But the level of spending on travel -- nearly double the next-highest figure among more than 60 senior members of Congress -- raises questions about whether the Detroit Democrat, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, is mixing campaign business and personal affairs.

"To take money I presume was given in the name of winning future elections and converting it into entertainment and these lavish items, that issue needs to be raised," said Rich Robinson, director of the Michigan Campaign Finance Network.

Another Michigan congressman, Midland Republican Dave Camp, also had significantly above-average travel spending.

Conyers' disclosure of campaign fundraising and spending for the first three months of 2009 shows spending on plane tickets, hotels and limousine services in Detroit; Washington, D.C.; Tampa, Fla., and Los Angeles.

That figure is nearly double the next highest figure among a group of more than 60 lawmakers, including House leaders of both parties, committee chairmen and ranking Republicans and Michigan members of the House. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the House Homeland Security Committee chairman, spent about $23,000 during the same period.

Camp ranked fifth, spending about $14,000 on travel in the first quarter. Campaign spokesman Sage Eastman attributed that to the size of Camp's district -- the second-largest in the state and in the top 25 percent of all districts nationwide -- and his recent elevation to the role of top Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee.

$14,000 Super Bowl trip
In addition to travel, Conyers paid about $14,000 for tickets to this year's Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa. A campaign spokesman said Conyers held a fundraiser there and paid for tickets for some donors. The payments were to television networks ESPN, CBS and Fox, two ticket brokers and the pro football players union. Face value of the tickets to the Feb. 1 game was $800 or $1,000, depending on the seat.

The expense of the trip may have been even higher. The campaign reported a debt of $8,500 to DirecTV, the NFL's satellite TV broadcaster, for "event tickets, travel, lodging," though it was unclear if the debt was related to the Super Bowl.

Conyers, first elected to Congress in 1964, is the second-longest serving member of the House, trailing only fellow Michigan Democrat John Dingell. He is widely admired by liberals as a champion of civil rights and as one of the toughest critics of the Bush administration. A founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus, he's one of the most prominent African-American politicians of the past half-century.

While campaign finance experts said they were troubled by the spending there is no proof of wrongdoing in Conyers' first-quarter campaign statement filed with the Federal Election Commission; in fact, FEC rules give lawmakers wide latitude in how the spend their donors' money.

Campaigns can spend money for campaign-related trips by the candidate, his or her staff, and spouses and dependent children. Campaign money also can pay for travel related to a candidate's role as a federal officeholder; for instance, a past FEC ruling allows campaigns to pay for travel to and from Washington for a member's spouse and children.

The rules bar spending on personal travel, such as vacations, or for expenses that a candidate would incur even if not an officeholder, such as groceries and household utilities.

$13,000 on limo service
The campaign spokesman attributed the travel spending to Conyers' prominence. As a national figure, the spokesman said, Conyers travels widely around the country, holding fundraisers and developing campaign contacts.

More than $13,000 of the travel expenses went to a Baltimore limousine company. The spokesman said the payments for private car service during the inauguration came at a time when such services in the Washington, D.C., area were more expensively priced.

The Super Bowl trip raised the biggest questions with campaign finance watchdogs.

"That's something people might be inclined to see as personal use in the guise of official duties," said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money and influence in government. Krumholz said the Super Bowl trip and Conyers' overall level of spending merit scrutiny from constituents, who should decide whether the spending represents unwarranted perks or legitimate use of campaign money.

The Conyers spokesman said the campaign held a fundraiser in Tampa and paid for Conyers and a group of donors to attend the game. The FEC report does not reveal which donors attended the fundraiser or received tickets, but Conyers collected $22,000 in donations in the two weeks surrounding the Feb. 1 game -- exceeding the roughly $14,000 spent on game tickets.

Conyers has faced questions in the past from the House Ethics Committee over complaints by staffers that they were directed to do campaign work or perform personal chores for Conyers, including babysitting. In December 2006, Conyers admitted to "a lack of clarity" in assigning office staffers and agreed to bar any from performing campaign work unless they were on leave from the House.

Representative Conyers has been in Congress since 1965 and is chair of the House Judiciary committee.  He knows how to work the system and nothing whatsoever will come of this.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Syt on May 08, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
http://www.detroitruins.net/
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 08, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
Occasionally the system does work  :):

QuoteRuling: Cockrel, not Conyers, to lead council
BY NAOMI R. PATTON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • May 8, 2009


Outgoing Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. can legally return to the Detroit City Council as council president, according to a memo from the council's legal analyst.

After Mayor-elect Dave Bing takes the oath of office for mayor of Detroit, "present Mayor Kenneth V. Cockrel Jr. will return to his elected position of president of the Detroit City Council," David Whitaker, director of the council's Research and Analysis Division, wrote today.

Current Council President Monica Conyers questioned Thursday whether Cockrel could return to the council president position, and directed Whitaker to review the relevant sections of the charter related to succession of the council president's seat.

"The charter speaks in the present tense," she said at a council meeting Thursday. "I don't know if he gets to come back or not."

Whitaker's two-page memo was attached to a 31-page memo sent to the council May 5, entitled "Success to Office of Mayor," that included Wayne County Circuit Court Judge William Giovan's October ruling that the city charter permits a council president to return to council if a new mayor is elected the next year.

Meanwhile, Bing is scheduled to be sworn in as mayor during a small ceremony at 3 p.m. Monday at the city's Election Commission, spokeswoman Meagan Pitts said today. City Clerk Janice Winfrey is to give Bing the oath of office.

Deputy elections director Rachel Jones said canvassers today balanced the number of ballots at three city precincts with names of voters in poll books. She said discrepancies were due to transposed numbers and other clerical errors.

Bing will complete Kwame Kilpatrick's term, which runs through 2009. Bing has said he will run for a full, four-year term that begins in 2010.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: alfred russel on May 08, 2009, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 08, 2009, 03:59:35 PM
Occasionally the system does work  :):

Not for those of us entertained by her antics. :(
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 09, 2009, 12:39:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 08, 2009, 04:03:24 PM
Not for those of us entertained by her antics. :(

:lol: Trust me, we'll still get Monica Conyers stories. I predict less media coverage, but that woman has an incredible knack for getting herself into trouble publicly.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 01:30:52 PM
When bad things happen to people who deserve it:

QuoteConyers: Cockrel changed the office locks on me
Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The brewing controversy over the transfer of the Council presidency continued this morning when Monica Conyers accused Kenneth Cockrel Jr. of changing the locks to the City Council president's office without her knowledge.

Conyers said Cockrel called a police sergeant to have the locks changed at around 7:30 a.m. and her staffers didn't have access to the office. One room got opened at around 11:30 a.m., while another remained locked.

"I get a call from my staff. They cannot get in the office," Conyers said. "No call to me on the phone, not nothing. I don't want any problems from anybody. (But) the first time something would have happened, you would have said Monica did it. That wasn't right."

Cockrel is expected to return to the Detroit City Council as early as this afternoon after Dave Bing is sworn-in as mayor at a 3 p.m. ceremony. Bing defeated Cockrel in last week's special election.

He did not attend today's council session, but his nameplate is attached to the seat that's available for the president. Cockrel's office began making the transition late last week.

"How can you be the mayor and the president all at the same time?" Conyers said. "He's just overpowered our office with all of his stuff," Conyers said. "You just can't come in and take over. That's not right. He's making it difficult."

Saturday, Conyers said she would willingly return to her old post as council president pro-tem -- the panel's second-in-command -- and said the media exaggerated tensions between her and Cockrel.

Last week, she asked council attorneys to clarify whether Cockrel would return to the council as president. But Conyers said she did so at the request of a voter.


I'll give Shrek credit; he learned something in his time as mayor.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 01:36:01 PM
When bad things happen to people who deserve it, Part 2:

QuoteJudge to Kilpatrick: Scale down, pay up
$6,000-a-month payment to Detroit not optional, he says
BY M.L. ELRICK and JOE SWICKARD • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 9, 2009


Kwame Kilpatrick will have to scale back his lifestyle instead of his restitution payments, a judge ruled Friday.

Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner rejected the ex-mayor's request to avoid paying the City of Detroit $6,000 per month toward the $1 million he agreed to reimburse the city as part of a plea deal to resolve the text message scandal.

Kilpatrick attorney Michael Alan Schwartz had argued in a March 24 court filing that Kilpatrick could only spare $6 a month from his $120,000 annual salary as a salesman for a Compuware subsidiary.

He cited expenses such as his $900-a-month 2009 Cadillac Escalade and the $2,700-a-month rent for his posh home in Southlake, near Dallas.

But Groner -- who ordered Kilpatrick to make the payments after news reports about his high living after being released from jail in February -- wrote in his decision that the former mayor "must realize that he is a convicted felon, and will have to balance meeting all the conditions of his probation, including restitution payments, with the lifestyle to which he has grown accustomed."

"In other words," Groner added, Kilpatrick "may not be able to sustain an upper middle class existence while he still owes a debt to society."

Groner invited Kilpatrick to request a restitution hearing, but Schwartz instead said he would appeal the decision.

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, said Kilpatrick "presented no legitimate grounds to modify his restitution."


Previously Kwame said that he could afford to give the city $6 a month and had gone to court claiming hardship.   I guess the judge didn't buy it, but how will our hero keep it real with such a paltry salary and a large debt?   :(
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: alfred russel on May 11, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 01:36:01 PM

Previously Kwame said that he could afford to give the city $6 a month and had gone to court claiming hardship.   I guess the judge didn't buy it, but how will our hero keep it real with such a paltry salary and a large debt?   :(

Probably with all the money he has coming in that he didn't tell the court about.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 11, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 01:36:01 PM

Previously Kwame said that he could afford to give the city $6 a month and had gone to court claiming hardship.   I guess the judge didn't buy it, but how will our hero keep it real with such a paltry salary and a large debt?   :(

Probably with all the money he has coming in that he didn't tell the court about.

I hope so; I'd hate to see Kwame have to resort to a life of crime in order to afford his Escalade.   :(
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 11, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
:lol: Arguing based on your lifestyle only works in divorce court, Kwame.

Also, that's hilarious about Cockrel changing the locks. How long's the transition period? Is Conyers' demotion already effective or is this just hilarious pettiness? :huh:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 11, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
:lol: Arguing based on your lifestyle only works in divorce court, Kwame.

Also, that's hilarious about Cockrel changing the locks. How long's the transition period? Is Conyers' demotion already effective or is this just hilarious pettiness? :huh:

Bing was sworn in this afternoon; so technically Cockrel jumped the gun by a couple hours.  I think it was a sensible precaution on his part knowing that he and Monica don't get along and Conyers is prone to lash out when she's angry.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 11, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 11, 2009, 04:15:01 PM
Bing was sworn in this afternoon; so technically Cockrel jumped the gun by a couple hours.  I think it was a sensible precaution on his part knowing that he and Monica don't get along and Conyers is prone to lash out when she's angry.

Ah, in that case, she's full of crap. The office should have been cleaned out already; makes one wonder what she was sending staffers in for so late...
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 11, 2009, 05:19:32 PM
She was planning to contest, clearly. She did make some statements about the succession not providing the ability to revert or some such nonsense. IMO, Shrek bested her here.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 14, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
Help us Obama-Won Kenobi you're our only hope:

QuoteDPS asks for federal disaster funding

Jennifer Mrozowski and Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Detroit Public Schools emergency financial manager Robert Bobb on Wednesday asked the federal government to put the school district under a "special presidential emergency declaration" to allow it to receive emergency funding.

"We are encouraged by the administration's redirection of additional resources into school improvement," Bobb said in a letter to U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. "However, much bolder action is necessary to redirect the Detroit Public Schools so that it may become a model for 21st century urban education."

The U.S. Department of Education did not comment on the request, but state officials said no other Michigan school district has used this tactic.

Presidential emergency declarations are typically made available only in natural disasters, which may mean Bobb's request is not applicable.

Duncan, who was in the city on a listening tour, did not address Bobb's request, but said the district is poised to receive federal funding -- possibly millions of dollars -- if radical changes occur.

He also said he supports efforts to have Detroit's new mayor take over the school system, saying necessary changes happen when good leaders are in control.

"I am strongly advocating for mayoral control," Duncan said at Cody High School on the city's northwest side.

Mayor Dave Bing, who accompanied Duncan on his tour of Cody, said now is the time for mayoral control, but added that he prefers a ballot measure versus legislative action.

"A lot of the leadership is perfectly aligned to make changes," said Bing, who has consistently said he would welcome the opportunity to take control of the troubled district.

Bing later addressed a national United Way convention at Cobo Center, saying that improving the district is a top priority and that he plans to rely on partnerships to help get the job done.

Mayoral control is not new to the system, nor has it been embraced by voters.

In 1999, then-Gov. John Engler pushed for a takeover of the district by empowering the mayor. Legislation passed that year allowing the mayor to appoint six board members, but Detroiters felt resentment over the loss of local control and voted in 2004 to restore the elected board.

They picked an 11-member board the next year, and the elected group took control in January 2006. By many accounts, the takeover left the district in worse shape than before.

Wayne County Commissioner Keith Williams, talking with a group of leaders assembled at Cody, said mayoral control isn't the answer.

"We don't need a takeover," he said. "We need cooperation."

Duncan, before ascending to his federal spot, was superintendent of Chicago Public Schools. That district is run by Mayor Richard Daley. He said he hopes the Detroit schools can move from being a "national disgrace" to a "national model," and he would like to commit significant federal resources to help the system.

But to receive the funding from Washington, Detroit will need to make dramatic reforms, Duncan said on WDET-FM's (101.9) "Detroit Today."

"We're not going to invest in the status quo," he said. Regarding Bobb's letter to Duncan, district spokesman Steve Wasko said the district's education crisis is like the one New Orleans schools faced after Hurricane Katrina, necessitating the special request.

"The basic concept is that all levels came together in the case of New Orleans after Katrina," Wasko said. "Our emergency has been longer in coming and slower to dissipate. That is the same level of call to action we need in DPS."

Bobb's requests included funds for a new student information system, new construction and improvements to existing schools. Because of the more than $300 million deficit the district is facing, Bobb asked that the district be exempt from the traditional process that requires the system to pay for improvements and then receive federal reimbursement.

He pledged "bold" action to reform the system.

"While we are planning to fundamentally alter the way we are organized in the Detroit Public Schools, we do not have the financial resources to fund the investments I know are necessary to turn around this system," Bobb said.

Duncan credited Bobb with making quick improvements to the district, which includes the announcement Tuesday that 29 schools will be shuttered as part of a plan to trim the deficit.

During the tour of Cody High School, Duncan also met with students. The school was selected for the visit because it's being transformed this fall into a collection of smaller, specialized programs on one campus. Duncan also met with Gov. Jennifer Granholm, State Superintendent Mike Flanagan, Detroit Federation of Teachers President Keith Johnson and Bobb.

"We're here because we want to figure out how to make Detroit Public Schools the best in the country," Duncan told students.

Flanagan, who launched the process to have an emergency manager appointed in Detroit Public Schools, said he, too, is optimistic about the changes in the district.

Like the district spokesman, I am certain this will work every bit as well as the government efforts in New Orleans after Katrina.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 14, 2009, 11:57:24 AM
Yeah, because getting millions in federal bailouts is the national model for school districts everywhere.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on May 14, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 14, 2009, 10:58:14 AMLike the district spokesman, I am certain this will work every bit as well as the government efforts in New Orleans after Katrina.   :)

Will Barack Obama: not care about black people?  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on May 14, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 14, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Will Barack Obama: not care about black people?  :)

Being from Chicago, though, he hates Detroit.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 14, 2009, 03:05:15 PM
More travels with Charlie:

QuoteCharlie LeDuff: Off Woodward, life hits a dead end
Detroit -- If you are feeling confused or overwhelmed by the circumstances of our times, if you need a place to consider where we've been and where we are, make a drive to West Robinwood Street.

It is a haunted, damnable portrait of what we've become. The neighborhood is a burned-down ghost town of 56 raped and looted houses east of Woodward and north of McNichols. It is empty save for five elderly families and a middle-age couple who live near Woodward and refuse to open their doors.

Ironically, the neighborhood is just a chip shot from the elegant Palmer Park Golf Course and a one-stop bus ride to the grave of Rosa Parks. Robinwood is located along the stretch of Woodward that in 1909 became the first mile of concrete roadway in America. That was exactly 100 years ago.
The people of the Detroit Metropolitan region got a glimpse of the ruined block a few months ago when the police convened a press conference from the blood-stained porch of 654 Robinwood claiming they had rounded up 61 outlaws including the killer who assassinated the dope man at that address in broad daylight.

And then like quicksilver, the police and the press slipped away.

The six families remain. Trapped.

"Do I live in Hell? Yes I do and no I don't," said Jerry Williams, who lives at 666 Robinwood and spoke through a steel gate dressed in a bathrobe and dirty socks. "It would be Hell if I was dead, but I ain't. So that just makes the place ugly. The most ugly thing that human beings can create."

As you might guess, Williams used to work in an auto factory. And Williams got laid off. The rest of the neighborhood had little luck either. The neighbors to Williams' left were evicted and, three days later, somebody firebombed the house. The flames ruined Williams' car -- a Chrysler.

The dead dope man used to live to the right of Williams. To the right of the dope man's house lives Fatimah Muhammad, the only other house occupied on the north side of that block of Robinwood Street.

She bought the place for $60,000 eight years ago and can't get out unless she walked away from the mortgage. She figures she couldn't get $5,000 for the place. That doesn't stop the criminals from getting in. Last week, in broad daylight, three men forced their way into her house. One held her at gunpoint in her bathtub, while the other two managed to steal some sneakers. The police never took fingerprints, she said.

"I'm tired, I'm spent, I'm scared," Muhammad said. "And I'm stuck. Who would want to buy this house?"

Robinwood was an integrated and well-kept block just five years ago, the remnant people say. And then it was gone in the blink of an eye. It started at the east end of the block when a house was rented to 5 adults and 20 children. More families moved out. More renters moved in. The radios started. The brown bags. The gangs of young men. The gunshots. The dope houses. The fires. The insurance checks.

Durene L. Brown is the ombudsman for the city of Detroit. She has the endless and unenviable job of fielding complaints from city residents and the occasional question from reporters. She asked to see Robinwood Street, wondering if it was truly the worst in Detroit.

"Insanity," she said as she drove through and stopped to talk to Muhammad. The problems here are deep, Brown said. The last audit of the city's Demolition Division was conducted 15 years ago. Moreover, the city was granted $23 million in federal funds last year to tear down neighborhoods like this, but the City Council voted to give $9 million of that money to local ministers for neighborhood block programs. "Blight like this is caused by greed and ineptitude," Brown said. "If something doesn't change, this is coming to a neighborhood near you, and that includes the suburbs."

Places like Robinwood are the epitome of Dave Bing's problem. The newly elected mayor says he wants to knock down shoals of squalor and relocate the remaining people to clean and coherent neighborhoods. But where would this money come from? Detroit is a city with tens of thousands of rotting houses and factories. Nobody knows exactly how many because nobody has ever bothered to count. And Robinwood is located on the city's main thoroughfare.

Lilacs and hibiscus still grow in this ghetto. But so does the malignancy. There were gunshots in the alley two Mondays ago. Three Mondays ago, someone packed the side yard of 598 Robinwood with old tires as high as the window sills. This past Monday, two teenagers found a dead fighting dog stuffed in a box. On Tuesday, Brad Edwards of Detroit's Fox 2 News reported that an 81-year-old shut-in -- Marabel, of 461 Robinwood -- died the morning after Christmas and went undiscovered for days. Her body remains unclaimed at the county morgue.

On Monday, a police cruiser rolled through.

"I've never seen a place like this," said the white cop.

"Vietnam," said the black cop.

"Hard to believe this is America, but it is," said the white cop.

And with that, they were off.

Like the article states this is right by one of the few nice neighborhoods in Detroit; Palmer Park, and just south of Chaldean Village – where the recent Chaldean immigrants live.  In Detroit the neighborhoods go from pleasant to war zones quickly.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 14, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
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Burned out homes, broken windows, and trash litter Robinwood Street, east of Woodward and north of McNichols in Detroit. It is empty save for five elderly families and a middle-age couple who live near Woodward and refuse to open their doors. The block started to go downhill five years ago when a house was rented to five adults and 20 children. More families moved out. More renters moved in. The radios started. The brown bags. The gangs of young men. The gunshots. The dope houses. The fires. The insurance checks.
Detroit's Robinwood Street descends into decay

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A scrapper smiles as he carries aluminum from homes on Robinwood Street away to the local scrap yard.

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Two houses sit vacant on the block, which once had 56 intact houses and was integrated and well-kept just five years ago. A suspected dope seller was recently killed on the block in daylight.
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Hundreds of tires pile up in the backyard at 598 Robinwood Street. They were dumped there within the last few weeks.

Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on May 14, 2009, 03:18:22 PM
Normally, when someone says we should nuke the site from orbit, it is a joke.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on May 14, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
There seems to be an almost gleefully perverse joy in self-destruction.  :lol:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 15, 2009, 02:57:56 PM
Who will we find now to hate white people, take kickbacks and sing at council meetings?   :(

QuoteCouncilwoman Barbara-Rose Collins won't seek re-election
Darren A. Nichols and Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Barbara-Rose Collins, one of the city's longtime and most controversial leaders, is calling it a career, deciding today to end her re-election bid for the City Council.

Collins, the first African-American woman elected to U.S. Congress from Michigan and a longtime member of the council, submitted papers at the city clerk's office today withdrawing her candidacy in the Aug. 4 primary.

"I'm 70 years old, and I'm not sure how much longer I have. I want to accomplish some other things," Collins told The Detroit News. "Almost my whole adult life has been in government, since I was 30 years old. It's frightening to step away from the power, the ability to negotiate from the inside. I love government, the legislative end of government."

Collins becomes the second councilwoman on the nine-member panel to opt against re-election, following Sheila Cockrel. Today is the deadline for the 207 candidates for council to withdraw.

Collins last year acknowledged she's been contacted by the FBI in its corruption and kickback probe into City Hall. Cockrel, who has testified before the grand jury but isn't believed to be a target, also said the investigation contributed to her decision not to seek re-election.

"She's living under a cloud of constant nonsense, a City Council investigation, Cobo (and) ridicule for her singing voice," said political consultant Adolph Mongo, who used to run Collins' district office when she was in U.S. Congress. "It's enough stress for a 40-year-old much less a 70-year-old. There's nothing wrong with saying good-bye."

Collins, who came out of the influential Shrine of the Black Madonna Church, was elected to the Detroit School Board in 1971, according to her City Council biography. In 1982, she joined the council for eight years, initiating city ordinances on South African divestiture, toxic-waste cleanup and single-room occupancy for the homeless.

From 1992-96, Collins served in the U.S. House of Representatives, first serving the 13th District and later the 15th District after redistricting. During her time, she was appointed the majority whip-at-large. She's proud of legislation on sexual harassment laws, equal pensions for women and helping to bring the Neighborhood Enterprise Zones to Detroit.

But those two terms in Congress also brought the most controversy of her career.

In 1995, she was sued by her former spokesman, Bruce Taylor, who claimed he was fired when his lover died of AIDS and Collins feared he might have the virus. Collins contended he was laid off with five others to reduce the staff after Republicans took control of the House.

"They said all kinds of nasty things," said Collins, who has championed gay rights. "I fired him because he wouldn't work. He was gay when I hired him. He didn't all of a sudden become gay. The papers ran with that."

A year later, the Detroit Free Press quoted Collins as saying she hates the white race. She claimed the quotes were taken out of context and sued the newspaper.

The U.S. Justice Department and House Ethics Committee was investigating her on claims of misuse of office, campaign and scholarship funds when she lost her re-election bid to Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick in the Democratic primary.

"Every day for two years they had me on the front page with horrible things," Collins said. "I hate to say it, but in my lifetime some of my best friends were white. It sounds like a cliché, but that's how I grew up."

Collins, who described herself as intelligent, talented and experienced, returned to the Detroit City Council in 2001. She has won kudos for championing the downtrodden, but scrutiny for behavior some consider goofy. She wears tiaras on her birthday, sang "Onward Christian Soldiers" in council chambers in March and likened the transfer of city-owned Cobo Center to imperialism.

She said she's knows she's leaving a city with massive problems, describing it as a place like a doughnut with a hole in the middle. Stepping away from the Detroit City Council will allow her to fix those problems without conflicts of interest.

"It's not about getting re-elected or losing an election. It's about the rest of my life," Collins said. "My life isn't over, but it's winding down, and I want to put all of my effort into rebuilding the community. Detroit isn't going to grow and prosper until we fill that hole in the doughnut.

"If I want to sit on the banks of the Detroit River and fish while I contemplate my next step, I can do that next year."
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 15, 2009, 03:35:34 PM
Its almost like Detroit wants to die.  Can cities commit suicide?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 18, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Set a course for love!

QuoteDetroit could cash in on cruise industry
BY ELLEN CREAGER • FREE PRESS TRAVEL WRITER • May 18, 2009

Its bare steel girders are just going up this week.

But by spring 2010, downtown Detroit's new $15-million public docking terminal is to be ready to accept Great Lakes cruise ships that could bring hundreds of tourists to town.


"We don't like to label it a cruise terminal because from a realistic point of view, it's not going to be like Miami," said John Kerr, director of economic development for the Detroit/Wayne County Port Authority.


"But even if we had half a dozen vessels stopping a dozen trips a year each, it would be beneficial. We estimated back in 1998 that cruise ships contribute $150,000 per stop to the economy."


The terminal is at the foot of Bates and Atwater near the Renaissance Center. It will make Detroit a player in a small but steady tourism sector of the state. Great Lakes cruises draw American and European tourists who pay $4,000 to $11,000 to sail on 100-passenger luxury ships, stopping at ports such as Houghton, Mackinac Island and Holland.

Port cities look for ways to get in on the action
This summer, three cruise ships will glide through Michigan waters and stop at ports in Wyandotte, Mackinac Island, Manistee, Holland and Houghton.

But within two years, downtown Detroit hopes to get in on the Michigan cruising action.

A $15-million docking facility under development will accept ships as large as 420-passenger vessels and unload tourists right into the heart of downtown, said John Kerr, director of economic development for the Detroit/Wayne County Port Authority.

"We think Great Lakes cruising is about at the same place as Alaskan cruising was in the 1960s," he said. "There's a lot of room to grow."

'It's exciting to think about'
The new Detroit port is just one piece of the puzzle. A Michigan consortium called the Port Cities Collaborative is a group of 23 port towns in the state working to market themselves to cruise ships.

The city of East Tawas already has planned shore excursions for cruise ship passengers, banking that by 2011, ships will stop there on their way from Detroit to Mackinac Island. They're planning agritours, beekeeping tours, dairy tours, lighthouse tours and golf and fly-fishing tours.


European tourists traditionally have been a main market for Great Lakes cruising, but the new ships also are geared to Americans and Canadians through the Ann Arbor-based Great Lakes Cruise Co. (www.greatlakescruising.com).



"Europeans are very much into nature," says Helen Pasakarnis, director of the East Tawas Tax Increment Finance Authority, which has been working on East Tawas' port-of-call project.

"Something like 50 to 60% of cruise ship passengers do shore excursions. It's exciting to think about. The town is abuzz. It's got everyone invigorated."

What Detroit has to offer
The new Detroit docking terminal is in a prime spot on the Detroit River. At the foot of Bates Street between the Renaissance Center and Ford Auditorium, it should be completed by spring 2010.

Besides cruise ships, the dock will be used for tour boats, water taxis, tall ships and possibly for recreational boaters stopping to get customs documents for day trips to Canada.

Inside, the two-story terminal will have a waiting area for 100 to 200 passengers.

The terminal also will have a ticketing area, lobby and offices for customs agents, cruise line staff, crew and port authority officials.

The space, with great water views, may be available for event rental, Kerr said.

How the project came to be
Federal and state money for the project was scraped together in the last decade by U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the Michigan Department of Transportation and the port authority. The 1.3-acre parcel of land was obtained from General Motors Corp.

The pie-shaped property had massive construction hurdles because of underground obstructions, including the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, which runs under a corner of the property.

The architect is Hamilton Anderson Associates. White Construction and Braun Construction are the builders.

Looking toward the future
Although big cruise ships that sailed the Great Lakes a few years ago -- such as the MV Columbus and Orion -- aren't sailing this year, Kerr says a better port product will attract ships in the years to come.

In fact, 2010 will see a new cruise ship, the Pearl Mist, stopping in Michigan. But because ships plan their itineraries up to two years in advance, said Sarah Caruana, marketing director of the Great Lakes Cruise Co., Detroit isn't on the itinerary yet.

But cruising Motown has a future, Kerr is certain: "We believe this project will be a model for the Great Lakes."

This idea has potential.  You can see ruins here; just like Ephesus.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: derspiess on May 18, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 15, 2009, 02:57:56 PM
"I'm 70 years old, and I'm not sure how much longer I have. I want to accomplish some other things," Collins told The Detroit News. "Almost my whole adult life has been in government, since I was 30 years old. It's frightening to step away from the power, the ability to negotiate from the inside. I love government, the legislative end of government."

Politicians like this make me want to re-think my stance on term limits  <_<
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 18, 2009, 12:43:45 PM
Will Detroit's new theme song be the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 18, 2009, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 18, 2009, 12:43:45 PM
Will Detroit's new theme song be the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald?

That would be a step up from Black Day in July.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
I'm loving all these Jeff Daniels ads I'm seeing everywhere trying to get businesses to move to Michigan. I forget, was he Dumb or Dumber?  :lol:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on May 18, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
Yeah...who is going want to stop at a cruise stop in Detroit? :yeahright:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on May 18, 2009, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
I'm loving all these Jeff Daniels ads I'm seeing everywhere trying to get businesses to move to Michigan. I forget, was he Dumb or Dumber?  :lol:

:huh: What reason(s) does he give in those ads for businesses to want to do that?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 18, 2009, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
I'm loving all these Jeff Daniels ads I'm seeing everywhere trying to get businesses to move to Michigan. I forget, was he Dumb or Dumber?  :lol:

:lol:

While Dumb and Dumber is what he's best known for; after his Hollywood career Daniels moved back to Michigan and started his own theater and company:

http://www.purplerosetheatre.org/ (http://www.purplerosetheatre.org/)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 18, 2009, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 18, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
Yeah...who is going want to stop at a cruise stop in Detroit? :yeahright:

Since cruise ships no longer stop at Port-au-Prince someone has to fill that niche.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on May 18, 2009, 02:10:18 PM
Why would tourists visit Detroit?  The place won't be fit for human habitation for decades.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: derspiess on May 18, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 18, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
Yeah...who is going want to stop at a cruise stop in Detroit? :yeahright:

IIRC, doing slum tours in dirt poor parts of the world is a trendy thing among yuppies.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on May 18, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 18, 2009, 02:10:18 PM
Why would tourists visit Detroit?  The place won't be fit for human habitation for decades.


Potty break on the way to Windsor.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 19, 2009, 08:09:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 18, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 18, 2009, 02:10:18 PM
Why would tourists visit Detroit?  The place won't be fit for human habitation for decades.


Potty break on the way to Windsor.

There they can see the Windsor Fine Art Museum; conveniently located in the mall. 
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Post by: Savonarola on May 19, 2009, 08:11:06 AM
QuoteFeds request Conyers' records
Prosecutors want travel, expense forms from her term on pension board
Leonard N. Fleming and Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Detroit -- A federal grand jury investigating City Hall corruption is seeking travel records and expenses of City Councilwoman Monica Conyers during her tenure on the city's General Retirement System.

A grand jury subpoena obtained by The Detroit News indicates that federal prosecutors also want the "oath of office taken after her appointment as a member of the board of trustees," any training regarding service, ethics and conflict of interest training on the board, and any ethics, conflicts of interest or disclosure forms filed by Conyers.

Pension fund officials were required to turn in the documents on May 13, but it is unclear if an extension was granted. The subpoena is dated April 30. A spokeswoman for Conyers, who recently left the pension system, referred comment to criminal attorney Steve Fishman.

"I know nothing of this," Fishman said. "I'm learning about it from you."

Federal officials and an attorney for the pension fund declined comment.

The Conyers subpoena is one of a series of grand jury subpoenas served on the General Retirement System and the Detroit Police and Fire Retirement System as part of the City Hall corruption investigation.

The Detroit News reported in April that one of the subpoenas sought documents related to a General Retirement System investment called Avignon Holdings in a residential real estate development near Sarasota, Fla.

Joe Capozzoli, president of CAP Advisors of Northville, which brought that investment to the pension fund, said he understood federal investigators were interested in a trip one of the trustees took to Florida to inspect the investment.

Persons familiar with the investigation said Monica Conyers flew to Florida, accompanied by one of her sons, to inspect the Avignon Holdings investment. Conyers, who until last week was council president, has kept a low public profile at City Hall in recent days and has been absent from several meetings.

The FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office are conducting a wide-ranging investigation of contracting at City Hall that dates to at least 2005. It involves the city pension funds, a consulting business run by ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's father, deals at Cobo Center and a multimillion-dollar city sludge contract, among other areas of inquiry.

Could this be the end of Monica; or will she have lost her records under mysterious circumstances?
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Post by: Savonarola on May 19, 2009, 08:11:55 AM
QuoteMedia's grim portrait of Detroit
City's image takes a hit with international coverage of Big Three woes, foreclosures, decaying buildings
Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News
Detroit

For months, a stream of reporters and news crews from around the globe have parachuted into the Motor City, roaming the industrial ruins of the old Packard plant and the once-glamorous Michigan Central Depot train station.

They trot alongside homeless people or laid-off autoworkers for a day or two. Toss in a few foreclosed homes and the desperate condition of the Big Three, and the world's picture of Detroit as the symbol of America's humbled economy is complete -- just a couple of years after its image was looking up, as a city on the rebound.

"From Motown to No-Hope town," blared a recent headline in the London Independent. "Requiem for Detroit" declared Rolling Stone. "Detroit: Human Cost of the Downturn," said the Sunday Times of South Africa.

In previous decades, Detroit was the image that came to the world's mind when it thought of racism or crime. Today, it's the face of the global recession. Forbes.com declared Detroit to be America's second "most abandoned city," behind Las Vegas.

Business leaders and boosters are hopeful the critical national and international coverage surrounding the bankruptcy of Chrysler LLC -- General Motors Corp. is trying to avoid filing -- won't further hamstring the city's attempts to lure visitors and businesses.

They offer the same advice today as they did when Detroit grimaced under the camera's glare following the 1967 riots, or during its infamy as America's murder capital: Keep calm, and carry on.

But it's a struggle.

"We've become the icon for everything that's gone wrong in the economy. And that's the story some of them are going to get, no matter what," said Randal Charlton, executive director of TechTown, Wayne State University's research and development center.

A prominent Chinese communist broadcaster recently asked Charlton if he felt threatened, living and working in Detroit. "Never," in the nine years since he founded a successful company in Detroit, Charlton said. His company is one of 70 that fill TechTown, in a refurbished Albert Kahn-designed industrial building.

"He looked absolutely bored," at the answer, Charlton said of the newsman. While the coverage further clouds Detroit's international image, Charlton sees a silver lining among international investors -- if they'll listen.

"When the average home in Europe is $200,000, do you know how enticing it is to say, 'You want affordable housing? We have plenty of it,' " Charlton said.

"Our future lies partly in Chinese, Indian and European manufacturers. These are not people who intimidate easily. You want to know how much an advantage we have by being able to offer, say, a free, empty factory? That's priceless.

"What the world needs to see is we are embracing this crisis," he said. "So let's give it to them."

Michigan Economic Growth Corp. officials respond to the negative press by pointing to an Economist magazine report that rated Michigan among the top five states for attracting international investments.

"We remain very aggressive in courting international investment," said Bridget Beckman, spokeswoman for the state agency that promotes business growth and investment.

John Carroll, whose assignment is to attract foreign investors to the region on behalf of the Detroit Regional Chamber of Commerce, says the tone of negotiations hasn't changed from the recent spate of bad press.

"We have much to offer: an international border, an educated work force thanks to the global companies we've had based here for decades," said Carroll, executive director of the Detroit Regional Economic Partnership.

"It's more that the global downturn has changed everything. This press doesn't help. What I fear is the conversations and opportunities I never get to have with companies because the negative press has scared them away," he said.

Several out-of-town reporters who have been to Detroit recently said it's not their intention to beat up on the city. Even Dutch reporters who were carjacked at the former Brewster housing project aren't down on Motown.

"But you have to understand the place looks so extreme," said Jacqueline Maris, radio correspondent for the Netherlands' VPRO, which did a three-part series on the city.

"All those empty buildings -- and they were clearly wonderful places -- that is something very uncommon. The fate of the auto companies, these global icons of business, you must understand what an amazing story that is for the world right now."

Maria Pia Mascaro, a New York-based correspondent for the French national daily Liberation, came to Detroit to report on urban farming.

"The media is looking for places that will never be the same after this global recession, and Detroit is a perfect example," Mascaro said.

"You are a city of tremendous innovation, of amazing music and culture. But it also true that you are ground zero when it comes to economic crisis. Don't you realize what an incredible opportunity that can be?

"The world is searching for solutions out of this mess, and Detroit can be one of the answers."


Why does everyone hate us?   :(
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Post by: Malthus on May 19, 2009, 08:41:05 AM
It's nice to see some boosterism at work. Every cloud has a silver lining:

Quote"When the average home in Europe is $200,000, do you know how enticing it is to say, 'You want affordable housing? We have plenty of it,'" Charlton said.

:)
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Post by: Ed Anger on May 19, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
QuoteSeveral out-of-town reporters who have been to Detroit recently said it's not their intention to beat up on the city.

Yes it is. You got to make the average Andy Capp feel better about himself.
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Post by: Savonarola on May 20, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
The story that just won't die:

Quote5 lawyers in Kilpatrick saga face ethics charges
Violations stem from $8.4-million whistle-blower settlement
By David Ashenfelter, Joe Swickard, M.L. Elrick and Jim Schaefer • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 20,

Five lawyers who engineered a secret $8.4-million lawsuit settlement to conceal the text messages that drove Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick out of office have been charged with professional misconduct.

The lawyers – chief assistant corporation counsel Valerie Colbert-Osamuede; her ex-boss, former city corporation counsel John E. Johnson; city-retained private lawyers Samuel McCargo and Wilson Copeland II, and Mike Stefani, who represented three cops in lawsuits against the city – were charged with misconduct Tuesday by the Michigan Attorney Grievance Commission after a 14-month investigation.

The Michigan Attorney Discipline Board, which tries and disciplines lawyers for professional misconduct, released the documents today and set hearings in the case for July 8-14.

Reached this morning, Stefani said he had received the legal papers, but was not yet ready to respond. Among other things, the grievance commission accuses Stefani of committing a criminal misdemeanor, contending that he covered up a felony by agreeing to "conceal irrefutable evidence of Kilpatrick's perjury in return for" the $8.4-million lawsuit settlement for his police clients.

"We just received this and we'll be preparing our response," said defense lawyer Gerald Evelyn, speaking for Johnson.

There was no immediate response from the other lawyers. The five face possible suspension or revocation of their law licenses if they're found to have committed the misconduct.

Krystal Crittendon, the head of the city's law department, said no decision has been made about Colbert-Osamuede's job status, and likely won't be made today. She said Colbert-Osamuede spoke to her last night, but Crittendon has not had a chance to review the charges.

Robert Agacinski, head of the Attorney Grievance Commission, said the charges were the result "in the most part of very good lawyers confusing their duty to the people of Detroit, the City Council and the Office of Mayor with the individual, Kwame Kilpatrick."

The charges mark a chapter in the scandal, but do not close the book, Agacinski said.

"With testimony and discovery there may be more insights to be gained," he said.

Larry Dubin, a University of Detroit Mercy law professor and former chair of the state Attorney Grievance Commission, said the lawyers could be suspended or disbarred if the charges are proven based on a preponderance of the evidence - the standard of proof in attorney misconduct cases.

"The City Council appeared to approve the settlement without being informed by their own lawyers of the basis of that settlement was to cover up the perjury that had been committed by the mayor and his chief of staff," said Dubin, who has been critical of the city lawyers' conduct as the scandal unfolded.

John Brennan, an ethics expert at Cooley Law School in Lansing, said "it's good the profession is acting. It was not enough to get the mayor."

Brennan said the lawyers representing the city "were absolutely critical to what happened," and that they cannot avoid blame by claiming they were only giving advice.

Brennan said the grievance commission's "clear message" in leveling the charges "is that tolerating wrong-doing is just as bad as causing it to happen."

Their cases will be handled by three-lawyer panels appointed by the discipline board.

The charges grew out of a 2007 whistle-blower trial in which former Detroit cops accused Kilpatrick and his former chief of staff, Christine Beatty, of forcing them from their jobs in 2003 after the officers began asking questions about a never-proven wild party at the mayoral Manoogian Mansion and alleged misconduct involving the mayor's security team.

A jury awarded two of the cops $6.5 million in September 2007. Although Kilpatrick vowed to appeal, he abruptly settled the suit and a second one for $8.4 million in October 2007, hours after learning that Stefani had obtained a copy of text messages showing Kilpatrick and Beatty had lied at trial when they denied having an extramarital affair. Stefani planned to make the text messages public in court papers justifying his request for legal fees from the trial.

After the Free Press requested a copy of the settlement under the Freedom of Information Act, the lawyers tore up the original agreement and created two new ones – one secret and the other public – to conceal the existence of the messages. As part of the agreement, Stefani agreed to turn over his copy of the text messages and not publicly disclose their existence.

Detroit's City Council then approved the $8.4-million settlement, without ever being told by the city lawyers about the text messages or the existence of the secret agreement.

A Wayne County judge last year ordered the lawyers to divulge the secret agreement in response to a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by the Free Press.

Here are the details of what the lawyers are accused of:

• Colbert-Osamuede is charged with five counts of professional misconduct, including concealing the secret agreement from the city council; engaging in a conflict of interest after learning that the mayor's interests conflicted with those of the council; lying to a judge about the existence of the messages; obstructing the Free Press in its FOIA lawsuit to obtain the agreement, and lying to the grievance commission about whether she and McCargo ever discussed the newspaper's FOIA suit.

• Johnson is charged with two counts: hiding the secret agreement from the city council and he also is charged with allowing city lawyers to conceal the secret agreement from the Free Press and a Wayne County Circuit Court judge hearing the FOIA case.

• McCargo, Kilpatrick's private lawyer in the whistle-blower case, is charged with covering up Kilpatrick's and Beatty's perjury, hiding evidence and making false statements to the AGC in its investigation. He also is accused of not reporting misconduct by other attorneys.

The alleged cover-up of Kilpatrick's perjury is a criminal misdemeanor, the AGC said. While the commission made the accusation of a crime, it does not have authority to criminally charge lawyers.


• Copeland, a private lawyer whom the law department hired to help represent the city in the whistle-blower suit, is charged with failing to advise the city council about the secret agreement even though he helped draft it.

• Stefani is charged with five counts including instructing Skytel, the city's Mississippi-based text message provider, to send the messages to him rather than the judge who presided over the whistle-blower trial, despite the judge's repeated order that he wanted to see any text messages first before deciding whether they would be released to Stefani. Stefani is also accused of failing to notify the grievance commission about "irrefutable evidence of Kilpatrick's perjury."

The misconduct charges against the lawyers do not recommend any specific disciplinary action.

The grievance commission previously cleared three other lawyers in its probe: city attorney Ellen Ha, who said she was kept in the dark about the agreements; Deputy State Treasurer Valdemar Washington, then a Flint lawyer who was called in to help facilitate a settlement of the whistle-blower suit; and Stefani partner Mike Rivers, who helped represent the cops in the whistle-blower case.

The status of a 9th lawyer who was investigated, William Mitchell III, remains unclear. Mitchell had traveled to SkyTel headquarters at Kilpatrick's behest to find out why the company had released the mayor's text messages to Stefani. After the trip, Mitchell took a folder believed to contain the messages to Kilpatrick and later to a high-profile criminal lawyer in the Washington, D.C., area. Mitchell was not charged in the legal papers released this morning.

Mitchell did not immediately respond to a call and e-mail requesting comment.

Kilpatrick also was investigated but surrendered his law license as part of his plea agreement in the case.

Kilpatrick and Beatty pleaded guilty last year to obstruction of justice for lying in the whistle-blower case and were sentenced to 120 days in prison. Kilpatrick agreed to resign and pay $1-million restitution to the city. Beatty, who resigned in February 2008 after the scandal broke, agreed to pay $100,000 restitution.

Kilpatrick was released from jail in February and took a job with Compuware and lives in Southlake, Texas. Beatty was released in March.

After details of the secret agreement became public, legal experts said some lawyers in the scandal seemed more interested in protecting Kilpatrick's reputation than safeguarding the city's interests and keeping the Detroit City Council informed about the reasons for settling a multimillion-dollar case.

Experts said lawyers involved in the settlement talks were required to notify legal authorities upon learning that Kilpatrick, a lawyer, had lied in court or engaged in other misconduct.
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Post by: charliebear on May 21, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 20, 2009, 12:09:50 PM
The story that just won't die...

Doggone it, I still want to know who killed the stipper!
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: charliebear on May 21, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
Doggone it, I still want to know who killed the stipper!
Duh, it was Kwame.  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 21, 2009, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: charliebear on May 21, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
Doggone it, I still want to know who killed the stipper!
Duh, it was Kwame.  :)

Please  :rolleyes: Kwame would never kill anybody.



He'd have one of his minions do it.   :)
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Post by: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 21, 2009, 12:55:26 PM
Please  :rolleyes: Kwame would never kill anybody.



He'd have one of his minions do it.   :)
That's what I meant of course.  He'd have killed her in the sense that Al Capone killed people.  :cool:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 26, 2009, 10:24:20 AM
How do the voters of Detroit pick these people?  I would think at least the dead ones would have the wisdom of the afterlife:

QuoteWatson paid pittance for taxes on 'nonexistent' Detroit house
BY M.L. ELRICK and NAOMI R. PATTON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 24, 2009

Detroit City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson paid only $68 in property taxes this year because city records say her well-kept, brick Tudor-style home doesn't exist. Although the home has occupied its west-side plot since 1926, city records have classified the parcel as an empty lot for the past decade.

Watson said she was unaware of the discrepancy until the Free Press contacted her. She said the change came before she was elected to City Council -- and without her involvement.

"I pay the taxes. All I know is I had a big drop when my house got hit hard by a tornado," she said. "We had great damage."

Watson said she could not recall the specific date the tornado hit, saying it might have been 2002, or perhaps 1993.

She acknowledged, however, that she never reported the incident. National Weather Service meteorologists said the last tornadoes to hit Detroit occurred in 1996 and 1997 -- before Watson says her taxes were reduced because of what she called "the natural disaster."

Watson, who said she receives her property tax bill separate from her mortgage bill, said she never questioned why her taxes dropped -- or why they didn't increase after she repaired her home.

"If it's an amount that's been determined by the people who are in the business of assessing ... and you pay that, then what's the issue?" she asked.

Watson's neighbors in comparable homes pay $2,000 to $6,500 in taxes. "My house has always been there," she said.

On Friday morning, Watson entered the city tax assessor's office and asked for a review of her tax bill.

Neighbor: 'Wow! I'm shocked'
Since joining the City Council six years ago, insisting that Detroit get its fair share has been one of Watson's signature issues.

On Sept. 29, for example, Watson was the only council member to vote against a tax break for General Motors Corp. in return for building the Chevrolet Volt at its Poletown assembly plant.

As recently as Tuesday, Watson blasted state officials who she said have cut $130 million from the city's portion of revenue sharing over the years. "They owe us," she said during a City Council meeting, demanding that the state pay the money to help Detroit through its financial crisis and reduce its deficit.

Watson's failure to realize she was paying significantly less than she should is noteworthy because she occasionally admonishes city officials for not being more diligent in collecting outstanding property taxes. She says the city needs that money to reduce its deficit, which recent estimates put at close to $300 million.

Watson, who is paid $81,000 a year and gets a city-owned Ford Crown Victoria, said her taxes are paid in full. She said it never occurred to her that her tax bill was a fraction of what it should have been.

"I am paying what the assessor assessed," Watson said, expressing dismay when the Free Press informed her Thursday of the discrepancy.

She blamed the error on a tornado that she said struck her home several years ago. Just when is not exactly clear. She has guessed that it hit as recently as 2002 or as long ago as 1993. The National Weather Service says the last tornadoes to hit Detroit came in 1996 and 1997.


Watson bought the home on a land contract in 1990. She agreed to pay $40,000. A year earlier, city assessors pegged the home's value at about $37,000.

Currently, assessors calculate the property's value at $1,658 because they consider it a vacant lot.

Watson said she noticed the drop in her property tax bill, which she handles herself, but assumed it was because the tornado left a hole in her roof and damaged the home's foundation.

How assessors would have known that is unclear.

Linda Bade, the city's chief assessor, did not return messages Friday.

Watson said she did not call city officials or file an insurance claim. She also said she did not seek a reduction in her property taxes. Watson said that when the lower bill arrived, she simply paid it and did not ask any questions.

"I came to the natural conclusion my house isn't worth much any more," she said. "This assessment dropped because of something that had nothing to do with me."

Watson, who was elected to the City Council in 2003, said she was not a city official at the time the taxes dropped.

She said she did not rejoice in the tax break.

"In fact, I was kind of insulted," she said, adding that she feared the value of her home had plummeted.

However, in 2002, as she prepared to run for City Council, Watson obtained a $60,000 mortgage.


To obtain the loan, Watson acknowledged that her property was appraised. But she said that appraisal did not prompt her to think that her home had regained value and, consequently, would merit an increase in her property tax bill.

She said she assumed the appraisers "used their financial wizardry" to help her get the loan on her home.

When Free Press reporters questioned Watson about her property taxes, she said she would go to the assessor's office Tuesday and say: "Are you aware you're charging me for a lot and I live in a house?"

If correcting the error generates a bill for back taxes, Watson said she will be "happy to pay it. I pay my bills."

Watson instead went to the assessor's office Friday morning, arriving just after 9.

A clerk confirmed that the property was listed as vacant.

The councilwoman said, no, there was a home on the lot, and told her about the tornado.

Watson asked how soon her property could be reassessed.

"I don't want special treatment," she said. "I want someone to look at it."

The exchange was completed in about 10 minutes. The clerk reviewed her 2002 mortgage. And she gave Watson a form to request an assessment.


"I'll bring it back," Watson said, smiling.

One of Watson's neighbors, informed Friday of Watson's tax bill, was incredulous.

"Wow! I'm shocked," Natalie Solomon told the Free Press.

Solomon, who lives across the street from Watson, said, "I know my property taxes.

"That's not fair."
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Post by: Savonarola on May 26, 2009, 10:25:21 AM
Surprise!  It was just the media out to get her all along:

QuoteCouncilwoman Watson defends low tax payments
ASSOCIATED PRESS • May 25, 2009

City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson defended her low property taxes in recent years, repeating in a Sunday news conference that she paid everything the city told her she owed.

The Free Press reported Sunday that Watson paid only $68 in property taxes on her home this year because city records indicate the property is a vacant lot. Owners of comparable nearby homes paid $2,000 to $6,500 in property taxes.

Watson told the Free Press she thought damage from a tornado caused her property value to drop several years ago and said she had nothing to do with the reduced taxes. She also said she never questioned the change in assessment, nor did she wonder why it did not increase after she repaired the home.

"I've been a target of a smear campaign," Watson told reporters from other news media outlets gathered outside her west-side home Sunday.

When asked why anyone would want to smear her, Watson replied: "I don't smoke, I don't drink and I don't sleep around. It's an election year. I'll let you figure it out."

Well that clears that up.   :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 26, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
 :lol: How could you not remember when a tornado damaged you house more accurately than that?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on May 26, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
We aren't in Kansas anymore, Toto.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
This is a big assumption--that she didn't exert influence over her assessment to get it so low. But if we make that assumption, did she do anything wrong? Would you fight an assessment that was too low?
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 26, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
This is a big assumption--that she didn't exert influence over her assessment to get it so low. But if we make that assumption, did she do anything wrong? Would you fight an assessment that was too low?

That is a big assumption; even if the change in assessment occurred before 2003, when she was appointed to the council,  Watson was still well connected politically.  She had served on Congressman John Conyers' staff and on city commissions for twenty years prior.  It's an amazing coincidence that it was her property that was assessed wrong and that the assessment was never corrected in the seven to sixteen years since it was changed.

If she didn't use her own political influence then what she did wasn't all that terrible; but I would say it is wrong.  By paying only a fraction of the taxes she should have owed she knowingly forced an unfair tax burden onto the people she represents.  Also as a member of the city council she could have easily had it corrected; while an ordinary citizen would have to navigate the Detroit city bureaucracy to do the same.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 26, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
This is a big assumption--that she didn't exert influence over her assessment to get it so low. But if we make that assumption, did she do anything wrong? Would you fight an assessment that was too low?

That is a big assumption; even if the change in assessment occurred before 2003, when she was appointed to the council,  Watson was still well connected politically.  She had served on Congressman John Conyers' staff and on city commissions for twenty years prior.  It's an amazing coincidence that it was her property that was assessed wrong and that the assessment was never corrected in the seven to sixteen years since it was changed.

If she didn't use her own political influence then what she did wasn't all that terrible; but I would say it is wrong.  By paying only a fraction of the taxes she should have owed she knowingly forced an unfair tax burden onto the people she represents.  Also as a member of the city council she could have easily had it corrected; while an ordinary citizen would have to navigate the Detroit city bureaucracy to do the same.

Yeah--if the homes in that neighborhood were ever assessed after the "tornado" severely damaged her home, I am not sure how she can explain away that her assessment never went up.

It has to be fun to be at the Free Press (at least once you get past the dying nature of your city and your industry). Everywhere you look there is corruption. I wouldn't be suprised if someone in a newsroom decided, "lets just google the property tax assessments of connected people" and voila--a new scandal.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on May 26, 2009, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
This is a big assumption--that she didn't exert influence over her assessment to get it so low. But if we make that assumption, did she do anything wrong? Would you fight an assessment that was too low?

*I* would not, but then I am not a politician charged with a higher degree of public trust, disclosure, and integrity. If the state tax assessor screwed up, I would happily enjoy my good fortune.

Actually, I would probably say something just because I wouldn't want to get hit with the giant tax bill later when they figured out what was wrong.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on May 26, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
We're missing a big piece of the puzzle here; they posted what her tax bill actually was. It was almost nothing- while she's not an assessor, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that that was a HUGE error in the tax bill. My willing suspension of disbelief falls short of the point where I could imagine her seeing that number and not wondering why it was so low.
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Post by: Scipio on May 26, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
If my tax bill dropped that far, I would keep my fucking mouth shut until they figured it out.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on May 27, 2009, 06:57:05 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 26, 2009, 01:09:07 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
This is a big assumption--that she didn't exert influence over her assessment to get it so low. But if we make that assumption, did she do anything wrong? Would you fight an assessment that was too low?

*I* would not, but then I am not a politician charged with a higher degree of public trust, disclosure, and integrity. If the state tax assessor screwed up, I would happily enjoy my good fortune.
It's not unusual to hold elected officials to a higher standard than regular people.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on May 27, 2009, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: Scipio on May 26, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
If my tax bill dropped that far, I would keep my fucking mouth shut until they figured it out.

See, the difference between us and politicians is that we know the tax collectors would charge HUGE penalties once they found out, and figure it's not worth it.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 28, 2009, 11:59:40 AM
Here's some good news for people who fret about the size of the US prison population  :)

QuoteWhy are the jail cells empty?
Sheriff, prosecutor say crime isn't dropping but arrests by police are
BY JEFF GERRITT • FREE PRESS EDITORIAL WRITER • May 28, 2009

Empty jail cells are normally something to celebrate, but Wayne County's top law enforcement officials say the hundreds of vacant jail beds are not because of a drop in crime or more reasonable sentencing. Floors of the downtown Detroit jail are empty because police are arresting fewer people accused of those crimes.

Altogether, three county jails that held about 2,500 prisoners a year ago now house 400 fewer inmates.

Sheriff Warren Evans said police are so slow to respond to some calls that the crimes never get reported. Prosecutor Kym Worthy was more blunt:

"We don't tell the truth about crime," she said.

Detroit has lost hundreds of sworn officers in recent years. The Police Department didn't respond to repeated requests for interviews with its top leaders, but it released preliminary statistics showing an overall decline in criminal activity this year, despite a 24% increase in homicides.

East-sider Joyce Betty, 56, isn't buying it.

Last February, a young assailant snatched Betty's purse, which contained $300 in cash, while she pumped gas at a Mack Avenue filling station. Surveillance cameras captured the crime on videotape, but police never responded.

Said Betty: "I have little faith in the Detroit Police Department."

Empty cells point to police breakdown

It's an incredible sight: In a city riddled with crime, entire floors of the Wayne County Jail in downtown Detroit are empty.

The seventh floor of the Baird Detention Facility, normally home to 128 newly arrested prisoners, is vacant. So are the ninth floor and half of the 12th floor. Another 128 beds at the Dickerson Detention Facility in Hamtramck are also closed. That adds up to more than 400 empty beds in Wayne County jails that, up to about a year ago, were filled with roughly 2,500 prisoners.


The main explanation is simple, according to the county's top two law enforcement officials: Detroit police are making fewer arrests, a dereliction so obvious it has led some Detroiters to conclude there's no point in even calling the cops.

"I've talked to dozens, probably hundreds, of people in the community who are telling me they never made a report because the police never came," Wayne County Sheriff Warren Evans said Tuesday. "The delay in response time is such that many, many, many crimes don't get reported."

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy agrees, echoing Evan's assertion that decreases in reported crimes are misleading.

"We tell the press that crime is going down," Worthy said. "It's not going down; it's going up, exponentially, and we have many fewer officers on the street. We need to acknowledge the problem."

The Detroit Police Department did not respond to several requests for comment last week. Instead, a department spokeswoman, citing preliminary police statistics, said overall crime in the city so far this year is down 9.1%, excluding a 24% increase in homicides -- a trend that, if true, would partly explain the jail's decreasing census, especially for those awaiting trial.

In 2007, the Wayne County Sheriff's Department recorded 20,423 felony bookings. Last year, there were just 18,261 -- a drop of more than 10% in a single year. So far this year, bookings have continued to drop roughly 10%, said Undersheriff Daniel Pfannes.

But few city residents think a drop in crime is the reason. Ask east-sider Joyce Betty, 56. A young man snatched her purse, with $300 in it, out of her car while she pumped gas at Mack and Gratiot in February. Betty called 911 on her cell. Police never responded. "They made no attempt to contact me," Betty said, even though the gas station has surveillance tapes of the incident. "It's water over the dam, but I have little faith in the Detroit Police Department."

Neither Oakland nor Macomb Counties report comparable declines in their own jail populations. Both counties' cells remain full, despite innovative efforts to manage the population, Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel and Oakland County Undersheriff Michael McCabe say.

Pontiac, however, is experiencing a trend similar to Detroit's: Arrests have declined as the number of sworn officers has dropped from 170 to 65 in the last three years.

The Detroit Police Department deploys about half the number of sworn officers it did in the 1990s, and has lost roughly 1,000 officers over the last five years.

Even serious crimes aren't getting solved. Arrests are made in only 37% of Detroit homicides, compared to more than 60% nationwide. Officers have too little time to investigate, and they work with a community that often does not trust them. Detroit's shuttered police crime lab has raised more troubling questions about homicide investigations.

Another reason arrests are down is the closing -- for good cause -- of many decrepit, pre-arraignment holding cells under a federal consent decree that is mandating reforms. Six years ago, police held 350 in such lockups, compared to about 130 today. Shift supervisors, and probably officers, know when the lockups are full.


Evans said he offered to lease county jail cells for police lockups five years ago. Negotiations continue, but a deal should have been struck long before this.

Privately, some law enforcement officials also say Detroit police are frustrated by the added paperwork required for arrests under the federal consent decree. But that's no excuse for failing to perform. The consent decree, signed in 2003, might be a headache, but it's one the department earned by abusing the citizens it was supposed to protect, including mistreatment of prisoners in lockups and dragnet arrests of homicide witnesses. The department also had the highest rate of fatal shootings by officers among America's big cities.

Fundamental breakdowns in other basic services also decrease public safety. Copper thieves have made land-line phone service in parts of the city, especially on the east side, unreliable and sporadic. It's not unusual for phone lines to be dead when crime victims try to call 911.

No one is questioning the integrity or competence of underpaid Detroit police officers. They work hard and, in many cases, risk their lives daily. But the department continues to do 1970s-style policing, reacting to crime rather than using data-driven policing efforts. The Michigan Department of Corrections and other criminal justice agencies have information that would enable the department to focus its resources on people most likely to commit crimes.

"In dealing with crime, particularly violent crime, a data-driven surgical approach is the direction we need to go," said former U.S. Attorney Saul Green, group executive for public safety under new Mayor Dave Bing. "I do believe we have some improvements to make in that area."

Until then, floors of empty Wayne County jail cells -- normally a reason to celebrate -- should comfort no one.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 28, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
QuoteDon't gut D's core to save GM
BY TOM WALSH • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • May 28, 2009

MACKINAC ISLAND -- On this island 300 miles from Detroit, where automobiles are not even allowed, it's still impossible to escape the shadow of General Motors Corp.

As the Detroit Regional Chamber's annual Mackinac Policy Conference began here Wednesday, the loudest buzz was about GM in general, and its Renaissance Center headquarters in particular.

As the White House presses GM to keep slashing costs on the eve of an expected bankruptcy filing, GM is believed to be preparing a new round of white-collar job cuts, which could create still more vacant space in the RenCen, where GM's head count has already shrunk from 6,000 to 4,400 in recent years.

The specter of a half-empty RenCen has fueled renewed speculation about GM consolidating office workers.

And Jim Fouts, mayor of Warren, home to GM's sprawling tech center complex -- which also has surplus space due to cuts in the automaker's engineering and design staffs -- is making a bold play to lure GM's headquarters out to his suburb.

Forget about it, says Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, who delayed his departure to the Mackinac shindig by a day in order to make another round of calls to cajole and plead with GM and government officials not to forsake downtown Detroit.

Bad idea, agrees Gov. Jennifer Granholm, about GM's home base leaving Detroit.

Imagine a vacant RenCen
Rip Rapson, president of the Troy-based Kresge Foundation, puts it apocalyptically.

"We are dead," he said, "if the region decentralizes into the Warrens and the Southfields."

Moving GM's headquarters out of Detroit is "an indescribably bad idea," said Rapson, whose foundation has pledged $50 million to the massive Detroit riverfront redevelopment and is a major backer of a proposed light-rail line along Woodward Avenue downtown.

"This is a time to assemble critical mass in the city core, not disassemble," he added.

Rapson's right.

Whatever GM would gain from more efficient utilization of office space by vacating the RenCen would be far outweighed by the damage to Detroit's core -- symbolically and otherwise -- by turning the 73-story RenCen into an empty white elephant.

Would there be any point in building a Detroit light-rail line if the giant RenCen, built as a symbol of hope in the wake of the 1967 riots, sits deserted?

Why bother to expand Cobo Center on the riverfront if GM abandons the river's most dramatic structure?

Why not just let the convention center migrate out to Novi, if GM is in Warren and Fiat-Chrysler is in Auburn Hills?

While we're at it, why not just excavate the old Motown Museum on West Grand Boulevard, put it on wheels and roll it out to Brighton!

There are other ways for GM to find savings as it downsizes, without gutting Detroit. GM has 1,000 or so people at a service and parts operations center in Grand Blanc, for starters, who could move downtown.

President Barack Obama's auto industry overseers can't really want to gut downtown Detroit.

Can they?

This editorial is a good example of how Detroiters still live in the past.  Even if GM survives bankruptcy it will never again have its former prominence nor will it employ so many people.    A GM headquartered in Warren is better for Detroit than no GM at all.  Abandoning all civic projects because a former major employer has left downtown is not a good idea.

Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 07:12:34 AM
Tough times in the 3-1-3; GM files for bankruptcy and the pimpest of the pimp struggles to pay restitution:

QuoteKilpatrick's restitution payment late, $3,500 short
By M.L. ELRICK and JIM SCHAEFER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 2, 2009

Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's latest restitution payment arrived three days late and $3,500 short, the Free Press has learned.

A judge in March ordered Kilpatrick to pay $6,000 a month in restitution toward the $1 million he agreed to pay the City of Detroit when he pleaded guilty last year to two perjury-related felonies. His lawyer argued that Kilpatrick could afford to pay only $6 a month.

After mustering $6,000 for his April restitution payment, Kilpatrick sent only $2,500 last month. The payment, due on the 15th of each month, came on May 18, said Russ Marlan, spokesman for the Michigan Department of Corrections.

Failing to make full restitution payments could lead to Kilpatrick being found in violation of his probation.

In another complication for the former mayor, Compuware officials contradicted Kilpatrick's explanation for why he wanted to go on a congressional trip last month to the Middle East.

He said it was for work. They said it was not.

Mideast trip said to be business; company disagrees
Kilpatrick told probation officials he wanted to make a business trip to the Middle East in May, a state corrections official said.
But a spokeswoman for Compuware, which hired Kilpatrick, told the Free Press on Tuesday that the ex-Detroit mayor's planned trip was not for the company.

Kilpatrick could face sanctions if he misled probation officials about the reason for his proposed trip.


On May 18, Kilpatrick sought permission to go Dubai, Qatar and Iraq to assess the health care system of the military overseas, Marlan told the Free Press on Tuesday.

Although it was a congressional trip, Kilpatrick said he would be going as a representative of his employer, Marlan said. Marlan added that Kilpatrick said he would be able to provide documentation to support that.

Kilpatrick works in Texas for Covisint, a subsidiary of Compuware.

But Compuware spokeswoman Lisa Elkin said Tuesday that Kilpatrick was not scheduled to go to the Middle East on business.

"The trip you're referring to, I believe, is the Congress trip that the mother was supposed to go on," she said, referring to Kilpatrick's mother, U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich.

"There was not a business trip," Elkin added.

Because Kilpatrick is on probation, he needs permission to travel outside of Texas.

Marlan said Michigan corrections officials opposed allowing Kilpatrick to go on the trip, which was scheduled for May 24-30. He said Kilpatrick had not been on probation long enough to show he can abide by the probation terms. Kilpatrick also failed to make a full restitution payment last month, he added.

Marlan said Texas officials, who supervise Kilpatrick, did not issue a travel permit. Kilpatrick apparently never took the trip.

Probation officials in Michigan and Texas considered Kilpatrick's request an unusual one, he said. "We don't have many probationers ... ask to engage in international travel," Marlan explained.

Of more immediate concern to officials is Kilpatrick's payment of only $2,500 of the $6,000 monthly restitution he was to pay in May.
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office will ask Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner to look into the matter. "Judge Groner was extremely clear in his order that defendant Kilpatrick was to pay $6,000 per month in restitution," Worthy said in a statement. "$6,000 is not $2,500."

Worthy also criticized his proposed trip to Dubai.

"I'm curious to know how he would even be able to travel when we are in possession of his passport," she said.

Attorney Michael Alan Schwartz, who in March sought unsuccessfully to reduce Kilpatrick's restitution payments, did not return calls for comment.

Stay strong, Kwame.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on June 03, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
Is this thread really still "temporary" or should we promote it to permanent status?  :)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Kaeso on June 03, 2009, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 28, 2009, 11:59:40 AM
Here's some good news for people who fret about the size of the US prison population  :)

QuoteWhy are the jail cells empty?
Sheriff, prosecutor say crime isn't dropping but arrests by police are
BY JEFF GERRITT • FREE PRESS EDITORIAL WRITER • May 28, 2009

They should give the Public security to a private company... like OCP.  :mad:
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 11:57:44 AM
Luckily they were able to save some money by eliminating the internal audit division four years ago:

QuoteDPS audit: $1.7M in taxes lost, sloppy bookkeeping
BY CHASTITY PRATT DAWSEY • FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER • June 3, 2009

Detroit Public Schools Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb released audit findings this morning that show sloppy bookkeeping at 189 of 194 school buildings and a suspected loss of $1.7 million in taxes the tax-exempt schools should not have paid.

The audits showed loans made to school officials using school funds, missing funds from activities, school funds diverted to personal accounts, principals writing and signing checks, untimely deposits and money taken home by staff.

Three cases involving high schools and two involving elementary schools have been turned over the district's inspector general, former FBI official John Bell.

"We have a reason to believe some of them probably will" be turned over to the prosecutor's office, Bobb said.

"How do you justify making loans to school officials?" he said.

Over a period of 21 days, 35 auditors investigated 194 schools that handle $2.5 million to $4 million in funds. Only five had "entirely proper bookkeeping," he said.

"My own assessment is it's not multimillions, it's just petty thieves and over time it adds up" Bobb said.

Major sporting events are the source of many complaints, Bobb said. For example, in instances where there are $5 ticket fees for major sporting events, $2 allegedly may make it to the school, he said.

Internal auditors will be posted at major events to ensure proper procedures are followed, Bobb said.

Odell Bailey, the district's auditor general, called the 21-day audit sweep "unprecedented." Bailey said it is the first district-wide, school-level audit in the four years since an internal audit department was eliminated.

While saying the financial problems may have cost the district $1.7 million in sales taxes, the district has not estimated the losses to the district due to misappropriations.

"We've audited every level of school," Bailey said. Auditors found "an environment devoid of basic controls...You could be looking at organized chaos," where staff try to cover theft.

Bobb called a $510,000 contract to a local firm to create an internal audit process "a waste of money that did not produce anything," but credited the school board for being "on the right track."

The school board hired the firm before Bobb took office in March. The process the auditor general created took less than a day, according to a statement Bobb released.


In an effort to show how some waste occurs, Bobb showed media nearly a dozen food-handling bins that were found unused at Schulze Elementary where a news conference was held this morning. Other such equipment is piling up at other schools, he said.

Also found were music facilities for keyboard classes, but no keyboards.

Furthermore, debris from the school that was demolished to build the current Schulze is under a mound with grass now growing over it. Bobb called the mound a hazard that could attract and injure playful children.

"That's a problem that must be corrected," he said.

Bailey said bookkeepers will receive annual training and those who handle the largest budgets will now report to the chief financial officer.

If there is anything that defines Detroit City Government it's the half a million dollar given to a Detroit-based firm to create a process that was never used; and a process that a state official could put together in a day.
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Post by: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
annual training for bookkeepers sounds expensive.  :P
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Post by: The Brain on June 03, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
Is this thread really still "temporary" or should we promote it to permanent status?  :)

They made Detroit permanent. I rest my case.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 04, 2009, 01:59:20 PM
Finally, the Detroit Public Schools offer vocational training:

QuoteMom says son, 11, handcuffed to door at Detroit school
Mark Hicks and Jennifer Mrozowski / The Detroit News
Detroit -- A Detroit Public Schools parent is considering legal action against the district after her son allegedly was handcuffed to a door at Sampson-Webber school for several hours Monday.

"It was really unnecessary to be done on a little boy," said Charmaine Hunt, whose 11-year-old son told about her about the incident Monday. "I'm not accepting that."

Hunt said about 11:40 a.m. Monday, her son, Antonio Hobson, a fourth grader at the school, was involved in a fight with another student.

She said he told her he suffered a bloodied nose and was restrained by a school security officer. But when he was deemed unruly, the principal, Regina Randall, ordered him to be handcuffed to a door in another room, Hunt said.

Randall, reached at home today, had no comment.

Hobson tried telling school officials he was hungry because he had not eaten lunch and had to use the restroom, Hunt said, but his requests initially were ignored.

"They fed him cereal and milk later on, like he's in prison or something," Hunt said, adding that her son's nose was struck when someone tried to reopen the door to the room.

The boy was released when school ended at 3:30 p.m., she said. Since learning of the incident, Hunt said she has kept her son at home, and is reluctant to send him back for the rest of the year.

"My son doesn't want to go back there. He's actually scared," Hunt said.

District spokesman Steve Wasko said he had no immediate information on the alleged incident. Hunt said two school officials -- a social worker and curriculum leader -- met with her Tuesday about the incident, saying they planned to file a complaint with the district. A call to the Detroit Public Schools' Department of Public Safety has not been returned.

An acting administrator at the school told a reporter: "There's a department at central office you contact for news," and hung up.

It also was unclear whether the other student involved in the alleged fight was disciplined.

Hunt said she plans to file a complaint, obtain an incident report, seek legal counsel and voice her concerns at a school board meeting today at the district's headquarters.

After hearing of the incident, school board member Marie Thornton said she met with Sampson-Webber staff on Wednesday to learn more.

Randall was absent, she said, and staff told her they were "fearful" of her. Thornton said the school's assistant superintendent, Sharon Appling, told her Monday's incident was being investigated.

Thornton said district officials have received complaints about Randall's conduct in the past, and Randall recently learned she would lose her position as part of emergency financial manager Robert Bobb's restructuring plan for DPS.

Thornton said she was "appalled" by the allegations and has contacted Bobb, acting district superintendent Teresa Gueyser and DPS general counsel about investigating and possible disciplinary action.

"You don't even handcuff a dog to the door," Thornton said. "It's not right."
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 06:38:33 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 04, 2009, 01:59:20 PM
"They fed him cereal and milk later on, like he's in prison or something,"
Detroit's public school system is doing an excellent job of preparing the children of Detroit for their future lives.
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on June 07, 2009, 09:37:55 AM
We're #1! We're #1!    :punk:

http://realestate.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=19959696 (http://realestate.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=19959696)
Title: Re: The temporary Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 08, 2009, 01:17:35 PM
QuoteCourt records show ex-Cobo contractor bribed city official
Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Detroit -- A former Cobo Center contractor made illegal payments to an unnamed city of Detroit official and an associate of that official at the same time he was bribing former Cobo Center Director Lou Pavledes, according to court records released today. 

Karl Kado, 68, of West Bloomfield Township, was expected to enter a guilty plea to a charge of filing false tax returns before U.S. District Judge Marianne O. Battani.

According to a plea agreement, Kado "intentionally omitted ... about $130,000 in cash (income) for tax year 2002 and about $140,000 in cash for tax year 2003."

"One of the reasons defendant did not report these monies ... is that defendant used some or all of this unreported cash to make illegal payments to a city of Detroit official, an associate of that official and ... Pavledes," the plea agreement says. "Some of these payments were requested of defendant by the city official and the associate of that official."

The plea agreement suggests that other city officials are implicated in the Cobo scandal besides Pavledes and another former Cobo director, Glenn Blanton.

Both Pavledes and Blanton recently pleaded guilty to corruption charges and have admitted to taking bribes from Kado.

Kado faces federal sentencing guidelines of 12-18 months, but is expected to get less because he is cooperating with authorities.

Kado appeared for his arraignment today with his wife, Julie, one of his children and his attorney, Chris Andreoff.

The Cobo charges are part of a longstanding and wide-ranging FBI investigation of Detroit City Hall contracting.

Filing false tax returns is a three-year felony.

Kado held exclusive and lucrative electrical and janitorial contracts at the Cobo Center and also had a share of Cobo catering through his Metro Services Organization LLC and related companies.

Pavledes, who was Cobo director from 1996 until 2004, last year admitted to taking about $100,000 from Kado when Pavledes pleaded guilty to a felony financial charge related to the way he tried to conceal the bribe payment from federal authorities.

Blanton, who was Cobo director from November 2004 until February 2007, admitted to taking about $15,000 from Kado when he pleaded guilty in October to an obstruction of justice charge.

Both Pavledes and Blanton await sentencing before Battani.

It's unfair to jail him; bribing city officials is a legitimate business expense in Detroit.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2009, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 03, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
Is this thread really still "temporary" or should we promote it to permanent status?  :)


Done. At the time, we thought the board wasn't permanent.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 08:30:54 AM
QuoteAt night, crews let Packard Plant burn
BY BILL MCGRAW • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • June 9, 2009
That big plume of black smoke that filled the sky Monday night and was visible from downtown to the eastern suburbs?

It was just the Packard Plant burning.

Again.

And that fire is likely to be burning this morning, because the Packard Plant is too dangerous for Detroit firefighters to enter after dark, so they had to let it burn Monday night.

Fire crews are called to the massive and mostly abandoned complex about once a week, said Lt. Steve Kirschner of Engine Co. 23, which is stationed a few blocks west of the plant.


The fires stem from scrappers and their acetylene torches and people, many of them young, who like to explore the Packard Plant and think it's cool to set fires to the huge mounds of trash and other dumped debris in the complex's large rooms.

On Monday night, the black smoke came from thousands of wooden pallets, garbage and plastic tubing on the fourth floor of a six-story building a few hundred yards north of E. Grand Boulevard.

"We're going to let it burn itself out," Kirschner said. "We never go in at night. It's just not safe."

The Packard complex, designed by Albert Kahn starting in 1903, is located near Mt. Elliott and I-94. It consists of 3.5 million square feet of space in 43 interconnected buildings. Many of the buildings are filled with trash and dumped articles, including old pleasure boats and shoes. There is one small business that remains in the complex, a chemical-processing concern.

Kirschner said Engine 23 and other fire companies responded to a fire recently during the day and discovered about 25,000 square feet of shoes burning. The smoke, partially from the shoes' rubber and glue, was dangerous for the firefighters and anyone in the neighborhood who might have breathed it.

Hazardous-materials crews monitored the air Monday night and found no need for evacuations. The cause of the fire was not known, but firefighters were certain it was set. They called for an arson car, but none was available.


The Packard site is filled with tunnels, open sewers and collapsing walls and ceilings, often the result of scrappers cutting out I-beams. Last fall, two scrappers fell one story in a cloud of dust, cement slabs and bricks when they cut out a beam and the lower part of a covered bridge collapsed into an alley-like street, Bellevue Avenue. The scrappers limped away. The debris remains where it fell.

In 2007, the fire department warned its personnel about the Packard's dangers and had fire crews from across central Detroit tour the site to try to understand it, in case they were ever called to fight a blaze there.

A memo from the chief of department said the complex's roadways could collapse due to the weight of the rigs. It advised that fires should be fought from the outside of the building, shooting water inside.

While it is technically not abandoned, the Packard Plant is mind-numbing in its vastness, decay and the large trees growing from its roofs. It is totally open to trespass.

The complex is owned by a company called Bioresource Inc., which emerged with the title after a lengthy court battle with the City of Detroit. City officials say the firm has failed to pay Detroit taxes since it bought the plant in 1987. State records show Bioresource has not filed an annual report since 2000 and was declared dissolved by the state in 2003.


Contact BILL McGRAW at [email protected].

The Packard Plant is mammoth; it goes on for over a mile.  Packard shut down operations there in 1956 and it's been more or less deserted since then.   It's sad, but not surprising, that no other use was ever found for the complex beside trash dump and homeless shelter.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 08:31:20 AM
Meanwhile in the lifestyles of the pimp and infamous:

QuoteKilpatrick's new home bigger than Manoogian
1st home left for one in gated community
BY JIM SCHAEFER and M.L. ELRICK • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 9, 2009

Kwame Kilpatrick, who claimed that he could spare only $6 a month for restitution to the City of Detroit, moved into a million-dollar home over the weekend that dwarfs the Manoogian Mansion.

At 5,866 square feet, Kilpatrick's new digs, which he is leasing in tony Southlake, Texas, are nearly 50% larger than the city-owned mansion he used to occupy as Detroit mayor, before the text message scandal cost him his job and his freedom. The Detroit mansion is just 4,004 square feet.

Kilpatrick's home is in a gated community and is listed for sale at $1.1 million. It has five bedrooms, five and a half baths, a game room, a study, a formal dining room and an inground pool.

Jim Carlisle, who owns the home, would not say how much the former mayor is paying to lease it. The Kilpatricks moved in Saturday, leaving their 2,839-square-foot rental home 3 miles away.

Kilpatrick's lawyer said there is a perfectly good explanation.

Why Kilpatricks moved to a new place
Kilpatrick's 6-month lease was up.

He was uncomfortable with people walking up and knocking on his door.

And someone else -- name withheld -- is helping him pay his new lease.

Those are reasons why Kilpatrick moved Saturday from a 2,800-square-foot home to one more than twice that size in a gated community about 3 miles away in Southlake, Texas, his lawyer, Michael Alan Schwartz, said Monday.

"His lease came up, what am I going to say?" said Schwartz, who didn't know about his client's move until informed by the Free Press. "Yeah, it would have been better at a different time ... but he's got to go on with living. He's got to go on with his life."

The timing refers to a Wayne County prosecutor's motion, filed last week, that asks Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner to convene a hearing to dig into why Kilpatrick was late last month with his $6,000 restitution payment to the City of Detroit.

As part of his probation for his crimes in the text message scandal, Kilpatrick is under court order to repay $1 million to the city. As the Free Press first reported last week, Kilpatrick was $3,500 shy until he paid the balance Monday morning. He also made his full June payment one week early.

That, Schwartz said Monday, should be enough to stop any further proceedings against Kilpatrick.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy demanded to know, in her court filing, why the former mayor hasn't been charged with several probation violations related to his finances and an "alarming" travel request he made to go to the Middle East. Kilpatrick said it was for work, but his employer, Covisint, a subsidiary of Detroit-based Compuware, said he had no business for them in the Middle East. The trip never happened.


The Kilpatricks paid about $3,000 for the home they had been leasing in Southlake. It's unclear how much the new lease will cost.

Schwartz is appealing Groner's order earlier this year that Kilpatrick pay $6,000 a month to the city, saying that the former mayor has just $6 left over each month after expenses like a $900 car lease and his rent. Schwartz said Kilpatrick will be paying the same amount for his new lease, with a person Schwartz wouldn't identify paying the balance each month.

Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor and former federal prosecutor, said Kilpatrick's new posh digs are "a problem for prosecutors. They're not going to be happy with it. But when will the court step in, ultimately? That's really the question. And has he crossed the line?"

Worthy wasn't backing off Monday, setting up a potential showdown in court soon.

"We're awaiting a court date from the judge to discuss many issues related to defendant Kilpatrick," her spokeswoman, Maria Miller, said.

In a court motion in February, assistant prosecutor Robert Moran wrote that Kilpatrick "can reside in a more modest home until he meets his obligations to the court and the City of Detroit."

After his February jail release, Kilpatrick began work as an account executive at Covisint. His first-year salary is roughly $180,000, with the possibility of sales-related bonuses, company officials have said.

Neighbors already have noticed the Kilpatricks moving in. There were reports of vans at the home Saturday and new furniture deliveries.

"He has a 6-month lease on a house. That's my understanding," said Stuart Wood, president of the local homeowners association. "Our expectation and my expectation is that we will be good neighbors, and he will be a good neighbor. Hey, this is Texas. Everybody's friendly around here."


Rhonda Krupp, who lives across the street, said Monday, "I met their children, and they are delightful."

Wood, who also lives across the street but had not yet met the Kilpatricks, sent out an e-mail recently encouraging neighbors to welcome them. He said the street, which has 13 houses, is in one of the few gated communities in the area.

The new Kilpatrick home is in the same school district, so the three boys will be able to attend the same schools.

"Apparently, there are a lot of people there who just walk up to his house," Schwartz said of Kilpatrick's first Texas home. No threats have been made, but "it got to be a bit much" for the family.

"Why don't we give the man a fair chance," Schwartz pleaded, "to just do what he's got to do?"

Contact JIM SCHAEFER: 313-223-4542 or [email protected]
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Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 08:50:55 AM
And another travel with Charlie:

QuoteAmerican dream fades at Axle plant in Hamtramck
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Hamtramck

As the world focused on the collapse of General Motors Corp. and the goings-on at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 1 Wall Street, a sad but not unrelated scene played out this week at 2140 Holbrook St.

At 5:57 a.m., Bill Alford, the president of UAW Local 235, shambled up the street to punch in for work at the American Axle & Manufacturing plant No. 8. He cut a pathetic figure Monday, one shoe untied and dressed in a hockey sweater with a large C embossed on the chest. C is for captain, but Alford is now the captain of almost nobody.

  As GM declared bankruptcy, more than 500 UAW workers employed at the plant here quietly received a letter by FedEx informing them that they were indefinitely laid off. Normally presidents of local unions do not go to work at the plant, as management prefers not to have labor agitators on its factory floors. But when there are too few employees to do the work, Alford is required by contract to return to the plant.

And so Alford had the task of operating a forklift, loading crates of tools and machinery onto a truck bound for Texas, he said.

"They don't want a middle class," said Alford, 34, standing in the rain, the shoe still untied, referring not only to the managers of American Axle, but also the owners of industry in general. "I see that in the future people will have to move to Mexico for a job. This is a dark day for the American laborer."

General Motors may be entering a new chapter in its life, but the American worker still confronts the little problem of NAFTA and the cheap Mexican and subsidized Canadian labor he cannot compete with.

The plant, which straddles Detroit and Hamtramck, is the largest in Axle's sprawling worldwide manufacturing complex. It mainly produces axles for GM's heavy-duty pickups, which accounts for about three-quarters of its sales. American Axle management plans to keep operations running at its plant in Guanajuato, Mexico, while all but shutting down in Hamtramck.

Since American Axle was spun off from General Motors and reconstituted in 1994, the union negotiates with American Axle, not GM, and does not get the sweetheart deal other UAW workers will get. In fact, Local 235 went on strike for three months last year and lost. It was a cold, bitter dispute, complete with fires in the oil drums. The unionized workers, numbering nearly 2,000 at the time, gave in to deep wage cuts, in some cases from $28 an hour to $14, in exchange for keeping their jobs. Apparently it was not enough. Fewer than 300 union members were working in the plant Monday.

In the meantime, Dick Dauch, the CEO and chairman of American Axle, was given an $8.5 million bonus by his board of directors after the strike and gave assurances to the workers and the city of Hamtramck that he would keep production here.

Dauch, who at least until the strike had a reputation for believing in the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturing, could not be reached by telephone. But he told The Detroit News in April that he was fed up with the absenteeism and entitlement-mindset of the Michigan worker. The union calls the claims a bald-face lie, an excuse to move south of the border.

Chris Son, the director of communications at American Axle, called late Wednesday to say that the layoffs are "fallout from the GM and Chrysler shutdowns." He also confirmed that the Mexicans will continue to work as the Americans are out on the street.

"For logistical reasons, a level of production will continue in Mexico," said Son. "At the same time, there will be lower production requirements in Detroit. Other than that, I have no further comment on that matter."

Automobile jobs are still an underpinning of the American economy. One auto factory job creates as many as eight or nine others, according to the Center for Automotive Research. Cars and car parts contribute most greatly to the American trade imbalance along with electronic merchandise.

And, according to the Economic Policy Institute, Big Three motor vehicle production in Mexico increased by 4 percent while falling in the United States and Canada by 25 percent in 2008. As of 2006, Michigan has lost more than 61,000 jobs due to NAFTA -- and counting, the institute says. Household income in Michigan continues to fall and American workers are left to wonder where it all fell off.

"I'm not ever going to buy another Chevy," said Jeff Johnson, who came to the union hall to get an explanation. Johnson received the layoff notice on his birthday, mistaking the FedEx package for a present. "I'm not buying another new car because I'm not ever going to be able to afford a new car."

"Who knows," said Bill Cooper, the flamboyant city manager of Hamtramck, outside city hall. "American Axle is going to cost anywhere from a half-million to $2 million dollars in revenue to the city if it shuts down completely. It would just kill us. Somebody turn out the lights."

Beleaguered Hamtramck -- an industrial hamlet of 22,000 people that is completely surrounded by the city of Detroit -- is increasingly becoming a town with too many mice and not enough men. A welfare office is scheduled to open on Joseph Campau Street, once a difficult concept in this working class town.

The mayor had her car stolen last month and two weeks ago an elderly city councilman, Al Shulgon, tried to beat off a carjacker with a cane. He failed and the carjacker made off with his jalopy.

"If they're carjacking junkers now, imagine what the future's going to look like around here without American Axle," Cooper said. "If you see Dick, have him call me, I can't get a hold of him."
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Post by: Berkut on June 09, 2009, 09:01:15 AM
Damn those Canadians and their subsidized labor!

Who in the hell signed that damned NAFTA crap anyway?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 09, 2009, 09:01:15 AM
Damn those Canadians and their subsidized labor!

I'm guessing he's refering to socialized medicine; a CAW laborer is cheaper than a UAW one because the company provides the American laborer with health care while the government provides the Canadian laborer with the same.  This isn't a fair comparison because the taxes in Ontario are higher than those in Michigan in part in order to provide socialized medicine.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 01:38:47 PM
And from the City Hall insider:

QuoteKilpatrick's golden touch
Posted by Joel Kurth (The Detroit News) on Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:35 PM
It's funny how the ball bounces sometimes. On the same day news broke that ex-mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is living in a $1 million rented mansion, the City Hall Insider was handed documents showing his old digs -- the one he sold to his ex-lover Christine Beatty and her now-ex husband Lou -- were sold at a foreclosure auction.

The May 11 sale comes atop a string of personal losses for Lou Beatty, who was divorced from Christine in 2006 and filed for bankruptcy protection in October, claiming assets of $50,000 to $100,000 and between $50,000 and $100,000 in liabilities.

His ex-wife is also listed on the foreclosure documents that show the 1,500-square-foot brick home fetched $102,411 at auction. As Insider fans recall, the mortgage was more than $90,000 delinquent, and behind more than $7,000 in property taxes.

The house on Santa Rosa -- where the Beattys lived during her affair with Kilpatrick and from where Lou noted in a notorious text that 'You had attitude until KK came over' -- was a major windfall for Kilpatrick. He and his wife bought the home in 1995 for $42,000 and sold it to the Beattys five years later for $103,500.
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Kilpatrick, meanwhile, is now resting his feet in a nearly 6,000 square-foot, palace in Southlake, Texas, built in a style known in French as decor de Tony Soprano.
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Post by: alfred russel on June 09, 2009, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 09, 2009, 09:09:57 AM

I'm guessing he's refering to socialized medicine; a CAW laborer is cheaper than a UAW one because the company provides the American laborer with health care while the government provides the Canadian laborer with the same.  This isn't a fair comparison because the taxes in Ontario are higher than those in Michigan in part in order to provide socialized medicine.

I've always thought that was something of a canard--in theory the lifting of the private burden of health care in the US is offset by the higher taxes in a country with a public system.

The Big Three could argue that as they don't make money and thus wouldn't be paying taxes that they would benefit from the Canadian system, but then under this system they have underfunded a lot of their medical benefits so that the US government is essentially on the hook for them anyway.
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Post by: Berkut on June 09, 2009, 01:58:36 PM
I think this is one of DG's "convenient truths" except it isn't so much the strawman that he uses the term for.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 11, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
A couple from the Detroit News Blogs:

QuoteCategory: A reason to drink
Posted by Dave Krieger on Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:02 PM
A tale of two cities
Today in Detroit, I had my car jacked by a teenager and then was shot at by a group of east siders hanging out on the street.

There are two cities within Detroit, one for those of us who try to make life better for all of us and another for those who seem to rob humanity of all its gleaming worth.

Why doesn't our society wake up and decide that this is an anathema to our co-existence? The educational and family values instilled in those remaining in Detroit are suspect at best and downright criminal at its worst.

Right now this city disgusts me over such a simple life skill called respect. If those of us who have cannot teach and help those less fortunate, we are going to dissolve into a Tombstone society in which gunplay and arrogance rule the day.

I volunteer to teach students photography, I work and live in Detroit and support many organizations designed for those who struggle and this kind of BS happens.

What the hell is going on with this city and those we elect who seem to spend more on their lavish lifestyles than care about crime and changing the lawless attitude in this town?

Hey, Cal, Moneybutt, here's a way to make some money off your arsenal:

QuotePosted by Diana McNary (The Detroit News) on Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM
My rant about those 2 cities: Detroiters need serious attitude adjustment
My goodness. My sympathy goes out to Dave Krieger after reading his most recent post. Doesn't everyone who's been in Detroit for a while have some sort of story like that - either as a crime victim, friend of a crime victim or as a witness?

I do. My husband was carjacked and robbed two blocks from our house in 2006. Two teens had rented, yes rented, an assault rifle from some other enterprising punk who'd seen a way for some easy cash. They came up behind him as he pumped gas, asked him for money and stuck him in the ribs with the gun (which, to this day, we suspect didn't work). Then they went through his pockets and took his wallet, keys and phone and told him to run. The car was packed full of musical equipment, ready for our bands to play at a benefit for five kids who'd just lost their mother to cancer. It was probably $20,000 worth of our lives, gone in an instant to two scrawny little losers who didn't give a damn about how much damage they were doing.

There's no way to describe the seething anger at anyone who thinks that's an acceptable way of life. There's no way to describe how it felt when one of the guys scowled at my husband and the judge in the courtroom while being arraigned. There's no way to describe how much I wanted to slap his family, sitting on the courtroom bench in front of me, his mother and tiny teen sister chatting nonchalantly about how she'd skipped some court date because her friend said she didn't have to go and what to name her baby and how to get a baby-daddy test.

Anger is an obvious way to respond to this lunacy. Oh yeah, I spewed some language in the following days that was nowhere near printable and would probably ruin me if I ever decided to run for office. Then we tried to find a silver lining, telling ourselves that no matter what they did to hurt us, our lives were still better than theirs. We tried to find some relief in seeing a destructive punk sent off to Jackson for 15-60 years. We have an everlasting and deep respect for the Detroit police detectives who cracked the carjacking ring. We also had to laugh at the stupidity of the carjackers, getting caught in a stolen car with stolen car parts and personal items from several of their previous victims.

Still, it brings little comfort to put away a few criminals in a city with far too many of them.

Yes, we need a serious attitude adjustment in this city. We, those from the "good" Detroit, the ones who volunteer to teach photography (hats off to Dave) or to perform at a fundraiser for a grieving family's cancer-treatment bills, do not deserve this. Nor do the disrespectful, don't-give-a-damn criminals deserve one bit of our sympathy or tolerance.

The second part I bolded is the part that I found the most evocative.  I spent several days at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice as an expert witness in a murder trial.  While waiting in the hall for my turn to testify I saw dozens of people there exactly like Diana described.   I also saw a couple lawyers explaining to their clients that they couldn't just skip court dates.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 11, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
  I spent several days at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice as an expert witness in a murder trial.
Elaborate.
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Post by: Ed Anger on June 11, 2009, 02:35:59 PM
QuoteHey, Cal, Moneybutt, here's a way to make some money off your arsenal:

I'd really not want some gangbanger fondling my SKS-M.

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Post by: Savonarola on June 11, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 11, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
  I spent several days at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice as an expert witness in a murder trial.
Elaborate.

I wrote it out on the old forum:

QuoteDetroit has a reputation for violence and mayhem. This reputation stems from a variety of factors; some historical, like the riots and the decline of the automotive industry; some current, like the hard drug endemic and the subsequent drug related crime. In the past decade Detroit has taken the initiative and the city is somewhat safer than it once was, but the reputation has been hard to shake.

Suburban Detroit for the most part is safe, and has a much lower crime rate. For this reason the Livonia City Police were shocked as was the neighborhood at the death of Marco Pesce and his family.

Pesce was a jeweler in the Detroit suburb of Livonia. Jewelers are a preferred target for professional robbers. Cash can be traced by serial number. Stolen goods can often be traced the same way, and fences will offer only pennies on the dollar. Jewelry can be melted down and is therefore untraceable, and precious metals and gems bring in their value on the street. For this reason jewelers must exercise extra caution. Pesce's major mistake was that he left his safe at home.

On a Saturday afternoon, right before Christmas, two men donned masks, broke into Pesce's home and forced his son, at gun point, to call his father home on a family emergency. Pesce raced home to find his children and his mother (who had come from Italy to visit for the holidays) captive. The men forced Pesce to open the safe, then they ransacked the house, then they forced the family to get down on their hands and knees in a circle and then they executed them one after the other.

One of the perpetrators had a Christmas Dinner planned with his girlfriend and family that night. After leaving Pesce's home he called her up and said to her "Honey you're going to hate me for this, but I'm in Kentucky. I found a man who wants to buy my car, and I came down here to sell it."

He called her on his cell phone, and that's how I became involved. I'm an engineer for a cellular phone company. A cellular phone works by broadcasting and receiving frequency from an antenna on a cellular tower. These cell sites have a limited range, (usually a mile or two) on which the phones serve. For billing purposes we monitor and record the cell site and the time the calls were made. Once the police started to get a lead on the perpetrators they subpoenaed their cell phone records and an engineer. I drew the short straw.

The day I was scheduled to go to court was winters last grand rally. A mere dusting of snow was in the air when I left for the courthouse, in the thirty minutes it took me to get there the city was pounded with 6 inches of snow. The wind turned hard bitter and pounding and I was blanketed in snow by the time I got to the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice. I stood in line for security, miserably dripping melting snow.

After a bit of a clean up I went to the court room. Everyone was late and there was a great deal of concern over whether the jurors would arrive. Eventually they did, there was 28 total jurors since the trials were being run simultaneously. One of the defendants was black and one was white. One of the jurors on the black man's jury, a white woman, had complained to a clerk of illness and asked to be dismissed.

No attorney can resist the opportunity to grandstand, and the defense lawyer for that jury. He brought us from the Civil War to pending Supreme Court cases on the issue of racism and covered all points in between. Racism is still a factor in the United States, he argued, so a white woman was expendable on the trial of a black man. The prosecuting attorney then got up to suggest that justice was better served if there were as many jurors as possible. Then the other defense attorney got up and started to make incoherent remarks about jurors. He wasn't looking so good, and suddenly announced that he wasn't feeling well and asked to be dismissed. He stopped mid sentence (a sure sign of serious illness of an attorney) and just started coughing. The judge said he could be excused but the attorney didn't move; he just kept coughing. Then he stopped, started to wobble, and collapsed stiff shoulder and in a straight line amidst a chorus of gasps. The judge ordered everyone to clear the court. That attorney had suffered a mild heart attack and was taken out of court on a gurney.

He had fallen right in the direction of the prosecutor. The prosecutor had been talking to, what he referred to as his "Thug Witness," before the issue with the jury came up. Said thug, upon seeing the attorney collapse asked the prosecutor "Did he make a move on you? I think he's faking it, I saw him try to make a move on you." The prosecutor told the thug that the defense attorney had looked pretty serious to him.

The decision was made to run the trials separately, continuing immediately with the trial with the healthy attorney. Court was in recess for the day, and the trial would continue the next day. I went to the prosecutor's office and spent most of the rest of the day discussing the data we had provided. The defense was still maintaining the alibi that the defendants had been in Kentucky selling their car. The phone records put their cell phones in the city of Livonia in the general vicinity Pesce home. The girlfriend of one of the defendants was going to testify that she had talked to the defendant when our phone records showed he had called her house.

The trials went about the same both times. I was forced to wait out in the hall as the trials progressed. The court house had hard wooden benches that felt like church pews and became uncomfortable after a while. I read books and watched the people pass by.

Parisians say that if you wait in a café in Paris long enough half the world will walk by. The other half passes through the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice. Kids were out in the hall filled with indolent braggadocio impatiently waiting for their friend to be sentenced; one minute shouting the next reserved and worried. Women were waiting for their husbands bail hearing. Some guy was telling another how alcohol destroyed his life. An attorney told the defendant's friends that the defendant needed to return his calls.

The real show was the prosecution's star witness in my trial. He was one of the defendant's uncles and the Don of West Detroit's Motorcycle Gang. He was on probation and had a rap sheet as long and as gory as the scroll of the sins of Babylon. The perpetrators were (don't be shocked) previously convicted felons and were therefore not allowed to buy firearms. The Don had connections and had sold his nephew the guns used in the slaying. His nephew had come over the night of the killing and bragged about five people being dead. The Don had agreed to testify on behalf of the prosecution in exchange for immunity. Ratting out your own nephew is frowned upon in organized crime societies, but the Don said he'd never be able to look himself in the mirror again if he didn't testify, so testify he did.

The Don was a hulk of a man, big burly and strong as an ox. He had scars and he looked like he ate nails for breakfast. He left the courtroom in tears, bawling his eyes out. The prosecuting attorney tried to console him, but he just would not stop. It seems the defense attorney had been extraordinarily tough on the Don.

After seeing that I was mighty nervous when it came my turn to testify. My testimony lasted all of five minutes and the defense attorney didn't even bother to cross examine me the first trial. My second appearance was equally brief, but I had to wait out in the hall just as long.

The two men were found guilty and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Mr. Pesce's brother showed there were no hard feelings at the sentencing by telling the court "They are baby killers. I hope that when they go in jail they get the shit beat out of them every day."

Perhaps some justice was done, and perhaps the city is a better place, but Detroit is still Detroit. The day of the sentencing a man threatened to run poison gas through the ventilation shafts of the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice (for reason's unrelated to the Pesce slayings.) Police raided his home and found he did have all the chemicals he threatened to use. Fortunately he didn't use his cell phone to call in the threat.

This was written in 2005; before the collapse of the housing markets and the auto industry.  The statements in the first paragraph about crime being lower, the city being safer and Detroit taking the initiative no longer apply.  Now those seem comically naive; dating from simpler, happier time.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 17, 2009, 03:54:11 PM
Oh, boy.


http://www.detnews.com/article/20090616/METRO/906160373/

Quote
Developer admits funneling $6,000 to Detroit City Council member
Paul Egan and Leonard N. Fleming / The Detroit News

Detroit --A Detroit businessman pleaded guilty Monday to paying more than $6,000 in bribes to an unnamed member of the Detroit City Council in connection with a $1.2-billion sewage sludge contract the panel awarded in 2007.

The council member was not identified in court documents or by Rayford W. Jackson when he admitted to the bribery conspiracy charge, but persons familiar with the investigation identified the council member as Monica Conyers, whose change of position on the Synagro Technologies Inc. contract allowed it to pass by a 5-4 vote.


Steve Fishman, Conyers' Detroit attorney, declined comment on Jackson's guilty plea and said he had no new information to provide on any case involving Conyers. She made a brief appearance Monday at City Hall, and her spokeswoman, Denise Tolliver, declined comment.



Jackson, 44, pleaded to a bribery conspiracy charge and admitted he used a courier on four separate occasions to deliver bribes to "Council Member A" -- the same council member that former Synagro official James R. Rosendall Jr. earlier admitted to bribing.

Jackson's plea represents a further ratcheting up of pressure in the long-running and wide-ranging investigation of City Hall contracting, the scope of which includes former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and his father, business consultant Bernard N. Kilpatrick. Jackson is the second person to plead guilty to charges stemming from the Synagro contract, while three have pleaded guilty to crimes involving contracts at Cobo Center. Other City Hall deals also are under investigation.

The courier Jackson used is also not identified in court records. But persons familiar with the case identified him as Jackson's 38-year-old brother, Lennie, who was released from federal prison in 2006 after doing time on a drug-related charge.

Under Rayford Jackson's plea deal, prosecutors say his brother will not be charged for delivering the bribes, though he could go back behind bars if it's determined he violated the terms of his parole.

"I conspired with others to provide money to elected officials in exchange for favorable votes before the city of Detroit," Jackson told U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn.

The plea deal Jackson signed is more explicit, saying he "paid or caused to be paid bribes" at the request of the council member to reward the council member for supporting the sludge-hauling and treatment contract awarded to Synagro of Houston. Jackson was Synagro's local partner on the sludge deal, charged with pushing it through City Council.

In January, the city and Synagro agreed to rescind the contract.

Although Jackson insists he is not cooperating with federal authorities to help indict others, his guilty plea directly implicates Council Member A.

And, according to the plea agreement, Lennie Jackson is cooperating with prosecutors. He couldn't be reached for comment.

A sentencing date for Rayford Jackson has not been set. He faces up to five years in prison.

Unlike many plea agreements, Jackson's does not require him to testify against others; nor does it promise lenient treatment. The documents also show he has a prior criminal record, having been placed on probation for three years in 1988 for receiving stolen property.

Jackson, who attended court surrounded by five bodyguards, admitted using his brother to send bribes on four separate occasions, based on information from Jackson's plea agreement and persons familiar with the investigation.

The first bribe, of an undisclosed amount, was delivered to an aide to Council Member A in the fall of 2007. Jackson admitted his brother delivered a second envelope containing an unspecified bribe directly to the council member in the parking lot of the Mr. Fish restaurant in Detroit on Oct. 4, 2007.

On Nov. 20, 2007, Lennie Jackson delivered to the council member an envelope containing $3,000 at the Butzel Family Center in Detroit.

And on Dec. 4, 2007, Jackson's brother brought the council member another envelope containing $3,000 in a McDonald's parking lot, Jackson admitted in plea documents.

"All of the payments were made to Council Member A for the purpose of securing and maintaining Council Member A's support for the Synagro contract and for no other purpose," the plea deal states.

Jackson told The Detroit News in an exclusive interview published Saturday that he planned to plead guilty to cut his losses in the Synagro case, but did not intend to provide federal officials with information or testimony that could be used to indict others in the scandal.

Jackson's attorney, Richard H. Morgan Jr., said Jackson would likely get leniency if he agreed to testify against others.

However, "sometimes people take positions and decide they're not going to bring anyone but themselves down," Morgan told reporters. "That's what he's done."

Morgan said Jackson was not responsible for the downfall of former WJBK-TV (Channel 2) anchor Fanchon Stinger, who lost her job after her ties to Jackson were made public.

"The media took her down," Morgan said.

Jeffery A. Taylor, Stinger's Sterling Heights attorney, said Jackson's guilty plea marks "an important day" for Stinger in moving toward closure of the Synagro story. Taylor said he is confident Stinger will not face any charges in the Synagro scandal.

Rosendall, a Grand Rapids businessman who was Synagro's Michigan vice president, earlier pleaded guilty to a similar bribery conspiracy charge. He is cooperating with federal officials and awaits sentencing.

Synagro, which fired both Rosendall and Jackson after the bribery scandal was revealed, has not been charged.


Bribery. Looks like Monica will wind up in the slammer.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 17, 2009, 04:01:42 PM
Like a ton of bricks, yeah. If you're not praying for Monica, you're part of the problem.  :mad:


http://www.detnews.com/article/20090616/METRO/906160407/


Quote
Monica Conyers reluctant to take plea deal, sources say
Leonard N. Fleming, Paul Egan and Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News

Detroit --Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers has yet to accept a plea deal offered by the federal government in connection with a corruption investigation at City Hall, increasing the odds that she could soon face federal indictment.

The federal authorities told Conyers they wanted an answer by the end of the day Tuesday, but there had been no movement by 5 p.m., a person familiar with the investigation said.

The bribery-related charge that Conyers could plead to carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, though she probably would receive less time.

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Two sources who have spoken with Conyers said she is reluctant because she doesn't want to serve time in jail.

Conyers mostly ignored reporters when she left City Hall in an unmarked car after 3 p.m. en route to her weekly television show "Ask the Councilwoman With Monica Conyers." But when asked if she would accept a plea, she murmured that The Detroit News was "full of (it)."

Conyers seemed to briefly allude to the allegations during a live broadcast of her show on WHPR-TV (Channel 33). She acknowledged that she's been in the news but challenged detractors, saying, "If you aren't praying for me, then you are just adding to the problem."

"First and foremost, I am a child of God," Conyers said. "All these things going on right now, I believe in my heart, God will deliver me from."

Later in the show, Conyers brushed off a caller who asked directly what she thought about the "latest scandal" involving Synagro. "I don't have a thought," she said.

Steve Fishman, Conyers' attorney, declined to comment.

Her husband U.S. Rep. John Conyers, who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee that oversees the U.S. Attorney's office and FBI, was unavailable for comment. His spokesman in Washington declined to comment on the plea deal or the congressman's knowledge of it.

Conyers was not identified in federal court documents nor by developer Rayford W. Jackson when he pleaded guilty Monday to bribery conspiracy charges in federal court, but sources say Conyers is the official known as "Council Member A."

Jackson pleaded guilty to paying more than $6,000 in bribes to an unnamed member of the Detroit City Council in connection with a $1.2 billion sludge contract approved in late 2007. He admitted to using a courier on four separate occasions to deliver bribes to "Council Member A" -- the same council member that former Synagro official James R. Rosendall Jr. earlier admitted to bribing.

Conyers, who showed up to the regularly scheduled City Council meeting, declined to speak to reporters and was primarily silent during the meeting except to pitch a community event this afternoon. She looked worried.

After Conyers left the meeting, Councilman Kwame Kenyatta said he hoped those involved in the scandal are identified soon. He said he's upset about being lumped in with someone who's allegedly taken a bribe.

"It was an affront to all of us who don't do business that way, and it's incumbent upon us to speak up," Kenyatta said. "Hopefully we're moving toward conclusion, but not fast enough. If you say there's a cloud, a council member A, B, or C, then we need to know who that is. If not, it looks as if it's all of us and could be an indictment on all of us."

Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. told reporters after the session that he wants indictments to move quickly.

"The bottom line is this whole Synagro issue has been out there some time. I'm of the mindset of whatever they've got, bring it," Cockrel said.

"I know in my experience with federal investigations, they tend to be slow and meticulous, but when they come, they come like a ton of bricks. My feeling is if they are going to come like a ton of bricks, they ought to come now."
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 17, 2009, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 17, 2009, 03:54:11 PM

Bribery. Looks like Monica will wind up in the slammer.   :(
Awesome! :cheers:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 17, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
The question on everybody's minds: politicians are paid to act dumb while they're taking the money right out of your pocket, but can anybody act that well? Or is it Option C, and she's just freaking nuts?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on June 17, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
Actually the question in my mind is who does something so blatantly wrong for a measly 6k?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 19, 2009, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
Actually the question in my mind is who does something so blatantly wrong for a measly 6k?

Former city councilwoman Kay Everett allegedly sold her vote for a 17 pound case of sausage on one occasion and a day at the spa on another.  (She died before her case came to trial; hence the "Allegedly.")
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 19, 2009, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 19, 2009, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
Actually the question in my mind is who does something so blatantly wrong for a measly 6k?

Former city councilwoman Kay Everett allegedly sold her vote for a 17 pound case of sausage on one occasion and a day at the spa on another.  (She died before her case came to trial; hence the "Allegedly.")
Wow that's just so stupid all you can do is laugh. :lol:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 19, 2009, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 17, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
The question on everybody's minds: politicians are paid to act dumb while they're taking the money right out of your pocket, but can anybody act that well? Or is it Option C, and she's just freaking nuts?

The FBI is very cautious about indicting anyone in Detroit city government for fear of charges of racism.  In part, that is why the Detroit City Council acts as if they're above the law.

Monica, however, is just freaking nuts.  That she was ever just a heartbeat away from being mayor is horrifying.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on June 20, 2009, 08:36:47 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2009, 08:55:32 PM
Actually the question in my mind is who does something so blatantly wrong for a measly 6k?
For starters, it's a relatively small amount of money, and is thus easy for the people bribing her to part with.  It's also easy to conceal.  And let's remember, she's selling her vote on every single vote that is brought before council.  Assuming that 6k is the going value (although I would imagine that many issues would be less, and some might be worth more), that will add up in a hurry.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 20, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
More Motor-City Accounting:

QuoteLibrary money paying city bills
Official: Cash supposed to go to benefits
By ZACHARY GORCHOW and CHASTITY PRATT DAWSEY • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 20, 2009

The City of Detroit has been spending property tax money intended for Detroit Public Library employees' benefits on city operations instead, a library official said Friday.

Revelations about the city's use of library money came on the same day the Free Press reported that the city had been spending tax money it collects on behalf of the Detroit Public Schools to cover the city's payroll and other obligations.

The city would later reimburse DPS.

The library is a separate municipal corporation from the city with a dedicated millage that provides most of its $48-million annual budget.

On Friday, Library Commissioner Jonathan Kinloch said library staff learned this week that the city spent $6.2 million in property tax money that was supposed to go to the library, dating back to July 1.

The money was to cover employee benefits and contributions to the library workers' pension fund.

The city still owes the library the money.

"It's horrible, and it's illegal," Kinloch said. "There's a piggy bank that our money is supposed to be in, and the city is basically going into our piggy bank to pay their bills."

Joseph Harris, the chief financial officer during Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr.'s tenure, said he was unaware the practice of spending others' tax dollars dated back to July.

Financial experts say that the practice is a sign a municipality is in serious financial trouble.

A spokeswoman for Mayor Dave Bing did not respond to requests for comment Thursday and Friday about how close the city is to running out of cash. Nor is it known how, or if, the city plans on repaying the library.

Several council members did not return messages, including Council President Cockrel.

The city's use of other entities' money also is attracting attention in the Legislature.

Senate Majority Leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester, finds the situation "very troubling," said spokesman Matt Marsden.

He said Bishop and other senators would closely review the matter.

A spokesman for House Speaker Andy Dillon, D-Redford Township, did not return messages.

State law empowers either house of the Legislature to ask the treasurer for a preliminary review.

"It absolutely puts it on our radar screen," Marsden said. "Ongoing fiscal mismanagement in the City of Detroit affects the whole state, not just the City of Detroit."

It's a reasonable use of Library funds; instead of buying books they're cooking books.  It's practically the same thing.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on June 21, 2009, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 20, 2009, 08:36:47 AM
For starters, it's a relatively small amount of money, and is thus easy for the people bribing her to part with.  It's also easy to conceal.  And let's remember, she's selling her vote on every single vote that is brought before council.  Assuming that 6k is the going value (although I would imagine that many issues would be less, and some might be worth more), that will add up in a hurry.

Oh, I wasn't aware that she sells every single one of her votes.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 23, 2009, 08:08:42 AM
It's sad to see a city abandon its traditions  :(

QuoteCouncil weighs ban on 'pay-to-play'
Proposed ordinance would prohibit political donations from firms wanting no-bid contracts
Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit -- After a dizzying year of scandal and corruption allegations, the City Council is taking steps some members say will end the "pay-to-play" culture at City Hall.

An ordinance drafted by Councilwoman JoAnn Watson would prohibit political contributions from companies seeking no-bid contracts of more than $25,000. It's modeled after a similar law in New Jersey.

"Under the circumstances of what everyone is going through right now, every protection for the city (and) our citizens is necessary," said Alberta Tinsley-Talabi, who called for the ordinance to be reviewed by the Ethics Board.

The proposal comes amid an ongoing FBI investigation into allegations that Synagro Technologies Inc. officials bribed city officials, wined and dined them and used private jets to secure a $1.2 billion sludge-hauling contract in 2007.

But while many applaud the sentiments behind the ordinance, some officials question its legality and effectiveness.

"It is a good idea, but the problem is you have to be careful in not going too far," said Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor. "You have to be careful not to go too far or you'll have it declared unconstitutional, and it doesn't do anyone any good. This is one of those processes that isn't measured in days or months. It's always a slow process."

Detroit's culture of pay-to-play practices in City Hall has been under the spotlight since a federal investigation was revealed last year. Since then:

• Alabama banker Donald V. Watkins claimed then-city treasurer Jeff Beasley pressured him to donate $100,000 to then-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's legal fund in exchange for a $15 million pension investment in his now-failed airline.

• Two officials with ties to Synagro -- local partner Rayford Jackson and James Rosendall, a former vice president based in Grand Rapids -- pleaded guilty to conspiracy to bribery. The City Council approved the sludge deal 5-4 after at least one member switched her vote. A handful of council members have been contacted by the FBI, but none has been charged.

• A strip club owner has accused Sam Riddle, a onetime aide to Councilwoman Monica Conyers, of seeking $25,000 to allow the establishment to open. Riddle denies the accusations. Conyers also faces claims of taking jewelry valued at $40,000 from a jewelry store whose owner wanted the city to ease restrictions that he said would make his business more difficult. Conyers has declined to comment.

• Ex-Cobo Center directors Lou Pavledes and Glenn Blanton pleaded guilty to felonies and admitted accepting bribes from contractor Karl Kado.


The proposed ordinance calls for limits on political contributions or in-kind donations to political candidates a year before a pending contract. It would keep third parties, family members and political action committees from making contributions.

Companies or contractors who break the ordinance would face a four-year ban from seeking a no-bid contract.

Officials with the city's law department requested three weeks to review the ordinance. They expressed concern that the ordinance is not expansive enough because it only deals with no-bid contracts, and cited potential conflicts with state campaign finance laws.

"Upon review, it would appear it does not have enough expansiveness that would be desired in order to really address the contracts that are coming in. It would not address the vast majority of the contracts that are approved by Detroit," said Tonja Long of the city's law department.

Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel said more should be done to come up with a law that creates a framework to root out corruption.

"We shouldn't rush to judgment and just pass anything," said Cockrel, who also wants city lobbyists to be registered so officials know the people who are doing city business. "We need to take the time and do the due diligence and come up with a structure that maximizes transparency, accountability and deals with the perception of pay to play."

While it is a nice sentiment; not a single one of the issues that I highlighted deals with political contribution to award no-bid contracts.  Bribery and coercion are already illegal.  Additional laws are not going to make the city government seem ethical.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 24, 2009, 09:38:14 AM
The school system is haunted :o :o :o

QuoteAudit reveals 257 ghosts on DPS payroll
FREE PRESS STAFF • June 24, 2009

A payroll audit this month at Detroit Public Schools turned up 257 names that will be subject to an investigation into illegal ghost employees, officials said Tuesday.

All of the district's estimated 13,880 workers had to pick up paychecks or direct-deposit slips in person by June 12 as a first step in determining if anyone who is not on the payroll is collecting pay.

There were 37 unclaimed paychecks and 220 unclaimed direct-deposit slips totaling about $208,000, said Odell Bailey, DPS's auditor general. He added that the recipients are not on approved leave.

Robert Bobb, DPS's state-appointed emergency financial manager, also said an audit has begun to determine if employees have unapproved health care dependents that are running up costs.

DPS is to hold a public meeting at 7 p.m. Monday at Frederick Douglass Academy, 2001 W. Warren, to reveal next year's draft budget.



Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on June 24, 2009, 09:49:42 AM
FYI, my company employs something like 58,000 health care workers, most of whom work offsite in client homes/group homes, and we do that paycheck pickup in-person thing at most sites 3-4 times a year.  Every single time it's done, people get busted.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 24, 2009, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 24, 2009, 09:49:42 AM
FYI, my company employs something like 58,000 health care workers, most of whom work offsite in client homes/group homes, and we do that paycheck pickup in-person thing at most sites 3-4 times a year.  Every single time it's done, people get busted.

Just out of curiosity, how do they start collecting paychecks if they've never worked there?  At the DPS I assume these people have friends in the payroll department; is it the same sort of thing where you work?
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Post by: Caliga on June 24, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
I don't get involved in these investigations myself (not even close to my bailiwick), but from what I've heard the usual scenario is this:

* Healthcare worker is hired and works at job for a while.

* Healthcare worker befriends their local payroll person.

* Healthcare worker gets fired.

* Local payroll person takes pity on healthcare worker.

* Local payroll person continues to schedule visits for healthcare worker at that client (even if another worker has been reassigned to the case), which triggers continued paychecks.

* Nobody does any QC on the visits to notice the discrepancy; nobody does any QC on the billing to notice double billing or continued billing when services have been cancelled, as the case may be.

* If internal auditors catch first, employees get fired and insurance companies refunded.

* If insurance companies catch first, our company gets sued; employees still get fired.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 08:04:13 AM
QuoteAs council president, Conyers hired aunt
Hiring again brings up issue of nepotism in city employment
Christine MacDonald and David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit --While City Council president this year, Monica Conyers hired her aunt in the council's administrative offices, which manages payroll, travel and purchases for the council members.

Politicians hiring family is not new, but Sunceria Garrett's job adds to the list of Conyers' relatives who are or have recently drawn City Hall paychecks. Conyers has employed her eldest son periodically. Her brother got a position in the city's Buildings and Safety Engineering Department. And her niece works for the mayor's office.

Another staffer who has worked in Conyers' office for at least two years, Kimberly Hutchinson, lives at the same address as Conyers' mom, according to Secretary of State records.

Conyers' spokeswoman Denise Tolliver wouldn't directly answer questions about Hutchinson or Garrett, who according to Wayne County probate records is the sister of Conyers' mother. But Tolliver released this statement: "All hired staff is duly qualified to hold their positions they have by means of their education and experience."

The News couldn't reach Garrett or Hutchinson on Thursday for comment.

Conyers is under scrutiny in a broad federal investigation of City Hall. Sources have identified Conyers as the "Council Member A" referenced in federal court documents as having received bribes in connection with a $1.2 billion sewage sludge contract council awarded in 2007 and an earlier agreement for a composting facility in southwestern Detroit.

Coit Ford, a public policy assistant to council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr., on Wednesday would only confirm that Garrett, 50, was on staff, but wouldn't provide her salary or hire date. City records show that last year Hutchinson's base salary was $52,000. The council president handles the $2.2 million budget for council administration, including the hiring and firing of administrative staff.

The city has no ban on elected officials hiring relatives, and officials have debated adding an anti-nepotism provision to the ethics ordinance.

Former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick employed several relatives including uncles and cousins. Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. who, following Kilpatrick's resignation, served as mayor until May, hired his wife's half-uncle, John Clark, as his chief of staff. He was let go after Clark was caught on electronic surveillance accepting a payment or payments in relation to the sewage contract. He hasn't been charged.

Conyers served as council president while Cockrel was interim mayor. She's since returned to her old post as council president pro-tem.

Councilman Kwame Kenyatta said he'd back a ban on hiring relatives. He said he hasn't hired any while on council. But his wife, Monifa, was appointed by Wayne County commissioners to complete his term on the panel after he was elected to council. That's something of a tradition for the post that pays about $68,000 a year. A few years earlier, Cockrel's wife, Kim, was appointed to his seat when he joined the council.

"The use of the office for personal and family gain, that in itself is something we should guard against," Kenyatta said.

Garrett was Conyers' treasurer during her council run in 2005 and Hutchinson also worked on the campaign, records show.

In April, The Detroit News reported that Conyers -- whose maiden name is Esters -- gave the resumes of her brother, Reginald Esters, and other former convicts to Amru Meah, the head of Buildings & Safety Engineering at the time.

Esters was eventually fired by Meah for attendance issues. In April he was sentenced to five years in prison for brandishing a shotgun at several people last summer in the city.

Conyers' son, John Conyers III, worked for her on and off starting in July 2006, at one point for about $15 an hour.

Ellen Conyers has worked in the mayor's Office of Neighborhood Commercial Development since at least October 2006. Tolliver told the Detroit Free Press in April that Conyers had nothing to do with getting her niece the $63,000 a year job.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is; Monica's relatives can't possibly be doing worse at their city job than she is.

;)

The sharks smell blood and they're starting to gather.  There is nothing even remotely surprising about hiring relatives of city council in Detroit.  Likewise this isn't a scandal of great magnitude; compared to Kwame, Monica has gotten very few relatives hired.   Even so, I expect stories like this throughout the summer.  Monica is finished; everyone knows it.  The News and Freep will try to keep her in the paper until the inevitable "Monica Indicted" headline comes up and then it will be all Monica all the time; just like it was Kwame last summer.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 10:01:39 AM
I love travels with Charlie.  This week's column has all the thrills of going to the gas station:

QuoteCandidate wants Detroit to pump way to safety
Charlie LeDuff

T. Pharaoh Muhammad believes he has conjured a real, practical, low-cost idea to make Detroit safer.

Require all gas stations within the city limits to have at least one full-service pump.

"It may not seem like much," says Muhammad, 39, a former production manager at the Warren Truck Assembly plant who took a buyout last November.

"But if you live in this city as I do, then you know that people are afraid," says Muhammad, who recently moved in with his mother on Edison Street.

Muhammad, a fresh and affable face in the Detroit political scene, believes he can get the law passed. All he needs is the voting public to pluck him from the obscurity of 167 candidates vying for the nine city council seats that are up for election this November.

Call him the Preacher of the Pump. The Teacher at the Tank. Just don't call him Jerome. He left the name -- Timothy Jerome Grant -- behind 17 years ago when he joined the Nation of Islam after hearing the Supreme Minister Louis Farrakhan preach at Cobo Center. His work at Mosque No.1 has put him in touch with the real people of the city, he says.

"They are afraid to do the most simple things, like sit on their porches or get out of their cars to pump gasoline. The problems here are so big that this is something that we can get done that goes a long way toward improving the quality of life in the city, a quality we had here once upon at time."

And to prove the need for a full-service attendant, Muhammad invited a reporter out to a gas station on the west side of town at the corner of Boston and Linwood. This area is heavy with racial symbolism. The riots of 1967 ignited just a few blocks from here. The Black Jesus at the Sacred Heart seminary is just a block away. The original home of Henry Ford just a few blocks more.

But those were other times altogether.

"These days people worry about getting carjacked or worse," Muhammad says.

And on cue, the police are called as two women go berserk on the snack cakes and trash can. The manager on the other side of the bulletproof glass responds with racial epithets. Frail, google-eyed women wander aimlessly. Three different men aflame in alcohol approach motorists looking for a hand-out. Muhammad mediates in all cases, as though one man can save a corner.

A woman, Angela Robinson, smiles as the dapper Muhammad fills her tank. She said she would be willing to pay a dime more for a gallon of gas in order to feel safe. "I wouldn't have stopped this time of night if my brother wasn't with me. I usually try to come in the day."

Muhammad wants to make clear that he in no way is slighting the city. In fact, he holds a certain proprietary outlook about Detroit. It is a black city, the country's largest black city, and it should be run by blacks.

"The good, the bad, the funk, I love it here and I love the people," he says. But the buffoonery of the political class, the graft in the school district, the spiraling crime only serves to hobble its development while confirming the worst stereotypes held by those outside the city limits.

"They've failed," Muhammad says, obliquely referring to former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who was sent to jail for perjury, and the current crop of City Council people. Individual members have, among other things, gotten themselves entangled in a federal bribery probe, neglected to pay proper federal taxes and city taxes and defaulted on a mortgage leading to yet one more abandoned house in the city.

Muhammad was raised on the east side of the city by a single mother. He graduated from Edwin Denby High School in 1988 and received a bachelor of fine and communication arts from Wayne State University in 2001. He was a factory worker of 15 years, a father of two daughters and an active member of the Nation of Islam.

"Look, I'm no saint," Muhammad says, pumping yet another tank while two men bicker violently in the shadows.

"I'm just saying is it too much to ask for a lady to be able to feel comfortable in the lights of a gas station? We have to stop accepting less and expect more."

Do you get to pick your own name when you join NOI?  I'd like to be T. Pharaoh Savonarola.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on June 25, 2009, 10:17:41 AM
I love his statement that Detroit should be run by black people, while he bitches about the failure of the people in charge...who are all black.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 09:01:09 AM
QuoteMonica Conyers to plead guilty today in Synagro scandal
Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Detroit -- After months of protesting her innocence, Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers is expected to enter a guilty plea this morning in connection with the Detroit sludge hauling bribery scandal, according to records filed with the U.S. District Court, Eastern District.

A hearing is set for 10 a.m. in front of U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn.

Federal prosecutors have been in plea talks in recent days with City Council pro tem Monica Conyers and her former aide, Sam Riddle.

According to the paperwork filed, Conyers will be pleading guilty to a single count of conspiracy to commit bribery: "Beginning at a date unknown and continuing until in or about Dec. 2007 ... Monica N. Conyers did knowingly and voluntarily conspire and agree with an aide and others to corruptly solicit and demand for the benefit of herself and others, and agreed to accept, things of value from persons while an agent of the city of Detroit ... with the intent that Conyers would be influence and rewarded with connection with any business, transaction or series of transactions of a value of $5,000 or more with the city of Detroit. ...

"Defendant Conyers and her co-conspirators executed the conspiracy by agreeing Conyers and her aide would receive money and other things of value by creating the perception in the payors' minds that Conyers would be influenced in taking actions beneficial to the persons giving the things of value using her authority as a member of the Detroit City Council."

Two examples from the indictment:

• On Nov. 20, 2007, at 3:15 p.m., Conyers met with "an individual sent by (Detroit businessman) Rayford W. Jackson" in the Butzel Family Center parking lot and received "an envelope containing cash."

• On Dec. 4, 2007, at 2:30 p.m., "an individual sent by Rayford Jackson" met Conyers and her aide in a McDonald's parking lot in Detroit at which time she received "an envelope containing cash."

Steve Fishman, Conyers' attorney, could not be reached for comment.

James R. Rosendall Jr., a former official with Synagro Technologies Inc., and Jackson earlier pleaded guilty to bribery charges in connection with $1.2 billion contract the Detroit City Council awarded in 2007.


I didn't expect her to plead guilty.  That takes all the fun out of it.   :(
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Post by: Neil on June 26, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
So, are they going to execute her?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 26, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
So, are they going to execute her?

Only if they can try her in Ohio as well; the death penalty was abolished in Michigan in 1846.
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Post by: charliebear on June 26, 2009, 09:16:35 AM
 :lmfao:

Whew, seriously now.  What would be an appropriate punishment for Monica? 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

QuoteMonica Conyers convicted of conspiracy
She faces up to 5 years in prison
By BEN SCHMITT, JOE SWICKARD, JIM SCHAEFER, DAVID ASHENFELTER, M.L. ELRICK and ZACHARY GORCHOW • Free Press Staff Writers • June 26, 2009

Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers pleaded guilty this morning to conspiring to commit bribery and is free on personal bond.

U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn said, "The defendant now stands convicted."

The one count of conspiring to commit bribery is punishable for up to five years in prison.

Conyers entered the courtroom at 10 a.m. in a beige linen skirted suit and plastic cat-eyed glasses. She sat down and immediately leaned over and began chatting with her lawyer. Behind her in the first two rows of public seating sit seven agents from the FBI. The rest of the courtroom is filled with reporters and court workers from throughout the building who wanted to see the plea deal unfold.

Conyers, the wife of powerful Democratic congressman U.S. Rep. John Conyers, appeared before Cohn to answer charges in connection with the wide-ranging probe of wrongdoing at Detroit city hall.

She has long been under suspicion in the Synagro bribery probe, not least because she had been a vocal opponent of the contract before suddenly switching her sentiments. She became the deciding voice in the city council's 5-4 vote to approve the sludge-hauling deal in November 2007.

Conyers' plea does not mean she will immediately leave office automatically, said Detroit attorney Bill Goodman.

Goodman, who represented the City Council in its fight to oust ex-mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, said the city charter requires a council member to step down "the minute he or she is convicted of a felony. In federal court, that process is complete at the sentencing."


No resignation letter has been submitted by Conyers to Detroit City Council as of this morning, according to the council clerk's office, Council President Ken Cockrel Jr.'s office, and council's legal office.

The federal plea document released today cites two instances in late 2007, in the days surrounding the approval of the now-infamous Synagro Technologies sludge-hauling contract, when Conyers accepted cash bribes from a Synagro consultant.

The document does not cite the specific amount of the bribes, but previous court documents have said that Conyers, identified previously by the feds as Council Member A, took at least two bribes of $3,000 each, among other bribes.

In both cases cited in the court documents today, Conyers was handed the cash in an envelope by a individual representing Rayford Jackson, a Detroit businessman doing work for Synagro who pleaded guilty to bribery earlier this month.

On one of those two occasions, Conyers was accompanied by an aide. Previous court documents indirectly identified former Conyers aide and political consultant Sam Riddle as having participated in the bribery scheme.

The charge reads: Monica Ann Conyers beginning on a date unknown and continuing until or about December 2007, did knowingly and voluntarily conspire and agree with an aide and others to corruptly solicit and demand for the benefit of herself and others and to accept and agree to accept things of value from persons while an agent of the City of Detroit, an entity that received more than $10,000 in federal funding during the calendar year of 2007, with intent that Conyers would be influenced and rewarded in connection with any business transaction or series of transactions of a value of $5,000 or more with the City of Detroit.

Overt acts: On Nov. 20, 2007, at approximately 3:15 p.m., Conyers met with an individual sent by Rayford Jackson in the parking lot at Butzel Family Center and received an envelope containing cash. On Dec. 4, 2007, at approximately 2:30 p.m., an individual sent by Rayford Jackson met Conyers and her aide in a McDonald's parking lot in Detroit at which time the individual delivered an envelope containing cash.

She has been at the center of FBI questioning for months about the city's sludge disposal contract with Synagro Technologies and her activities as a member of the city pension board.

Also attending the hearing is David Whitaker, director of research and analysis division of Detroit City Council, sitting in the back row with coworker Marcel Hurt. Whitaker said they are to report back what happened to city council today.

"What happens next depends on what the council wants us to do, and what the charter requires," Whitaker said. He said if Conyers pleads and a change is required on council, JoAnn Watson becomes mayor pro tem.

Rayford Jackson's brother Lennie is believed to be the courier who met with Conyers.

Elizabeth Jacobs, Lennie Jackson's attorney, declined to comment on Conyers' plea or plea document.

"The thing speaks for itself," Jacobs said today.

U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg will hold a news conference immediately after the guilty plea.

A person who answered the phone this morning at the Washington D.C. office of John Conyers said no one there was immediately available to comment on the plea agreement.

In January, James Rosendall, the Michigan-based Synagro vice president, pleaded guilty to a federal bribery charge for his role in the Detroit Synagro contract and was fired by the company.


Rosendall, 44, of Grand Rapids admitted to plying Detroit officials with cash, contributions, chartered flights and a case of Cristal champagne -- which costs thousands of dollars -- to win approval of the $1.2-billion sludge disposal contract.

He is faces 11 months in prison and a fine of up to $200,000 for his role in the scheme, which began in 2001.

Synagro suspended him without pay last summer after the Free Press revealed that federal officials were probing a deal to build a sludge disposal facility in Detroit.

Come back to Freep.com for more developments.

Staff writer Tammy Stables Battaglia contributed to this report.

Love that city charter.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 10:32:59 AM
QuoteCouncil members react to Conyers' plea
BY ZACHARY GORCHOW AND JOE SWICKARD • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 26, 2009

Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers is likely now a former member of the council with her guilty plea to felony bribery charges, even though she hasn't resigned, Council President Ken Cockrel Jr. said today.


Cockrel told the Free Press that he has asked council attorneys to research the issue, but based on research so far, Conyers is done.


"I think at this point a letter of resignation is probably moot," he said. "I think for all practical purposes, this is probably her last day on the council."


After former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to felonies last year, he was allowed to remain mayor for another 14 days, but Cockrel said this situation is different because a mayoral transition is much more complicated than a council departure.


Cockrel said he has mixed feelings. He called it a sad day for the city and another black eye. But he said it's also good that federal authorities are moving so that the cloud over the council lifts.


Asked for his thoughts on the departure of Conyers, who had some infamous outbursts while a council member, Cockrel said, "I'd be lying if I didn't say there's a certain amount of relief there."

Council member Sheila Cockrel called on Conyers to resign right away.


"Now is the time for Ms. Conyers to step aside so the remaining council members can get about the business of the city without her presence," said Sheila Cockrel, who has frequently clashed with Conyers.


"This is a very sad day for the city council, but it comes with a certain sense of relief that the cloud of Synagro can begin to dissipate," Sheila Cockrel said.


She said the plea is a further cleansing from the recent years of corruption including the jailing of Kilpatrick in last year's text-message scandal.


"This is a day of shame and disgrace but an important step in the city recovering from the trauma and tragedy of the past few years," she said.

Party at Chateau de Shrek tonight! :w00t:
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Post by: DontSayBanana on June 26, 2009, 11:01:01 AM
Huh. What does this do to John Conyers' standing, now that his wife is a convicted felon?
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 26, 2009, 11:01:01 AM
Huh. What does this do to John Conyers' standing, now that his wife is a convicted felon?


He's gonna have to step it up to keep the family finances going. He's the sole source of bribery cash in the household now.
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Post by: Neil on June 26, 2009, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 26, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
So, are they going to execute her?

Only if they can try her in Ohio as well; the death penalty was abolished in Michigan in 1846.
Didn't they get her on a federal beef?  Surely the laws of Michigan are irrelevant.
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Post by: alfred russel on June 26, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
I feel betrayed by the guilty plea. I was anticipating months of ridiculous trial updates from Sav.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 26, 2009, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
Only if they can try her in Ohio as well; the death penalty was abolished in Michigan in 1846.
Didn't they get her on a federal beef?  Surely the laws of Michigan are irrelevant.

Oops, you're right.  Fire away!
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Post by: Neil on June 26, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
It would have been even better than the Jack Thompson disbarment.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
I feel betrayed by the guilty plea. I was anticipating months of ridiculous trial updates from Sav.

I was disappointed too, but Detroit City Government is like what PT Barnum said; "You can always find another clown."
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Post by: Caliga on June 26, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
Ok, so will $1 houses soon be convicted and sentenced to prison?  :)
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2009, 11:28:25 AM
Any chance she can claim the city felony rule only applies to state law?
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
Editorial from the FREEP:

QuoteConyers' plea sends bad message about city, strong signal to voters
FREE PRESS EDITORIAL BOARD • June 26, 2009

With Monica Conyers now headed for the federal slammer, it's worth pondering how many cities could claim to be facing a more robust culture of corruption than Detroit.

First, former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick went down for lying and then firing cops and pilfering public funds to cover his lies. Now, just months later, the president pro tem of the City Council, the second-highest ranking member of the city's legislative arm — and the wife of a powerful Detroit congressman — admits to conspiring to take bribes. The Conyers scandal is totally separate from Kilpatrick's entanglements and may yet yield even more convictions.

This is crookedness at a level you might expect in the capital of some Third World country, not in the largest city of an American state. It's the kind of sorry distinction that Detroit and indeed all of Michigan — already fighting a battered national image — just don't need. In reflects a ruthless selfishness on the part of elected officials, putting themselves above the law and ahead of the people they serve. It's just a fine way to say "Welcome to Detroit."

That said, the process of ferreting out the rogues in city government is important, overdue and ultimately cathartic. It may be the only way — in a city that has failed in the past to use the democratic process as a check against breaches of public trust — to shock the public conscience enough to inspire change.

Maybe now Detroiters will demand a charter that contains ironclad ethical guidelines and powerful mechanisms to enforce them. The city has got to take the charter revision process seriously and elect charter commission members who have a keen sense of appropriate governmental conduct.

Maybe now Detroiters will also demand more of the officials they elect to represent them. Conyers, remember, was elected four years ago on sheer name recognition — the wife of Congressman John Conyers, chair of the House Judiciary Committee. But that proved a shallow judgment of her character and the absolute wrong reason to elevate her to public office.

She was bar brawling in northwest Detroit before she even took her seat. She was foul-mouthing and disrupting council meetings within months.

And four years later, you'd have to strain to point out a single significant contribution she has made while on the council. Meanwhile, we now know she was taking money illegally.

Detroiters have 167 choices on the fall council ballot. They've got to choose more wisely, based on record achievement, work ethic and character.

If there's a glimmer of hope on this dark day in Detroit, it's in the understanding that should now be prevalent in the city.

Crooks don't belong in public office. And if Motown doesn't want to be known as Roguetown, it will need to avoid electing bad actors like Monica Conyers in the first place.

Well, it might wake up the electorate in the city.  This has been a really awful council; but I suspect the city will just elect a different group of buffoons and criminals in November.

The city charter could be a real means of change; we'll see who gets elected onto the board and how they behave once they get elected.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 29, 2009, 08:29:40 AM
More on the Packard Plant:

QuoteTallying up Detroit's absurdities
BY BILL MCGRAW • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • June 29, 2009

It is difficult to identify the most absurd aspect of a city as eccentric, loony and unpredictable as Detroit.

But let's go with the Packard Plant today.

The 43-building complex, perhaps the largest decrepit building in the country, burned again Sunday night in a two-alarm fire that tied up nearly 25% of Detroit's fire rigs for hours. Black smoke, blown by westerly winds, drifted over a slice of Detroit's east side toward Grosse Pointe.

Some crews remain on the scene this morning.

This fire was actually fires, plural.

The big blaze burned on the upper floors on the east side of the six-story complex, along Concord Street. One fire burned below that, in an area on the first floor, in a football-field-sized room that is home to tens of thousands of old shoes that someone dumped. Another fire burned in a bunch of wooden pallets that someone dumped in a courtyard on the Packard's west side.

Needless to say, officials believe the fires were deliberately set.

Absurdity No. 1: Parts of the Packard Plant burn on a regular basis.

"We're here about every other week," said Deputy Chief Reginald Amos.

"This place is a death trap," Battalion Chief Greg Best said.


Three weeks ago, a smaller, more contained fire broke out in the middle of the plant after dark. That one made news because officials decided to let it burn itself out, which it did, in about 24 hours.

Fire crews fought Sunday's infernos because the fires were more accessible, and they broke out in daylight, about 7:30 p.m.

"If we let this burn, it would burn for days," said Best. "It's spreading through the whole top floors."

Absurdity No. 2: The Packard complex, near Mt. Elliott and I-94, has 3.5 million square feet and is abandoned except for a small chemical company that was not affected by Sunday's fire.

The complex exists in an advanced state of decay and is totally open to trespass. It is filled with collapsing ceilings, crumbling walls, gaping holes, tons of garbage, tens of thousand of dumped items, two-story-tall roof trees and loads of graffiti.

"I smoke blunts," someone had written near the scene of the fire.

At one point Sunday, officials backed Ladder Co. 20 away from the building because they feared the entire six-floor wall might collapse.

The huge shards of glass in the broken window frames would act like the blade of a guillotine if they fell on a passerby or firefighter.

Absurdity No. 3: As usual, firefighters battled the blaze with their usual array of limping apparatus. The first ladder truck on the scene, Ladder 16, could not raise its ladder. As usual, several rigs from the city's 66-vehicle fleet were out of service Sunday, so the 13 or so rigs at the fire left large swaths of the city without their primary fire responder.


The greatest absurdity: The city seems incapable of doing anything about this situation that endangers citizens and its own employees, sucks up precious city resources and — even by Detroit standards — looks like hell.

Who owns the place?

That's murky.

The complex is ostensibly owned by a company called Bioresource Inc., which emerged with the title after a lengthy court battle with the city.

Yet Detroit officials say the firm has failed to pay city taxes since it bought the plant in 1987. And state records show Bioresource has not filed an annual report since 2000, and was declared dissolved by the state in 2003.

Absurd.

Contact BILL McGRAW: [email protected].
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Post by: Savonarola on June 29, 2009, 08:30:08 AM
How business gets done in Detroit:

QuoteConyers took cash and jewelry, ex-aide says
Riddle details questionable transactions she brokered; John Conyers' name used but role unclear
BY M.L. ELRICK, JIM SCHAEFER, ROCHELLE RILEY and GINA DAMRON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 29, 2009

Monica Conyers has admitted accepting bribes in a sludge deal, but the Detroit councilwoman's political adviser and onetime chief of staff told the Free Press she received cash and jewelry for brokering other questionable transactions.

The aide, Sam Riddle, said Conyers even helped draft a letter sent by her husband, Congressman John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., to help a man with whom she had financial ties. It is unclear whether John Conyers knew of his wife's alleged link to the businessman.

In that deal, Riddle said, Monica Conyers arranged for Riddle to get a $20,000 contract with Greektown entrepreneur Dimitrios (Jim) Papas in about 2007. Riddle said Papas hired him for crisis consulting and political advising -- but he was never asked to do any work. She then demanded $10,000 of that money as a "finder's fee," Riddle said.

At some point after Papas paid him, Riddle said, John Conyers sent a letter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in support of a controversial hazardous waste injection well in Romulus that one of Papas' companies was seeking to operate.

Federal investigators examined a variety of Monica Conyers' dealings. U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg said Sunday: "We didn't have any evidence the congressman was knowingly or intentionally involved in Ms. Conyers' illegal conduct."

Monica Conyers' lawyer wouldn't discuss Papas. And Papas did not return messages seeking comment.

Karen Morgan, John Conyers' spokeswoman, declined to discuss the letter.

Riddle: How deals got done
Monica Conyers' relationship with Riddle was complicated.

She was often his client. She was once his boss. And she sometimes found consulting work for him that put cash or jewelry in her pocket, Riddle told the Free Press on Friday in an exclusive interview.


There was the consulting deal he said Conyers set up for him with Papas -- a deal that garnered Conyers half of Riddle's $20,000 fee.

Riddle said Conyers also introduced him to the owner of Zeidman's Jewelry & Loan, a pawnshop whose efforts to relocate and expand in Southfield have become part of a federal probe into public corruption.

In that deal, Riddle said, Conyers collected jewelry from Zeidman's for her role, while Riddle received a five-figure fee and a watch from the pawnshop. Riddle said he gave some of that money to a Southfield councilman.

Conyers' lawyer Steve Fishman said of Riddle's account: "There is a factual basis for the guilty plea contained in the written plea agreement. Anything beyond the plea agreement is pure speculation."

Papas didn't return messages at his home and restaurant, nor did his attorney. Zeidman's owner, Tom LaBret, hung up on a reporter seeking comment.


On Friday, when Conyers pleaded guilty to bribery conspiracy in the $1.2-billion Synagro sludge-hauling deal, federal prosecutors said that they would describe other wrongdoing at Conyers' sentencing. They did not provide details.

Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor and a former federal prosecutor, said evidence of other misdeeds could convince U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn to impose a strict sentence on Conyers. Her deal with prosecutors called for a maximum of 5 years in prison.

"I think the government's going to come after her -- both barrels," Henning said. "I would not be surprised if they ask for the max."

The Papas deal
Riddle said Conyers not only arranged his deal with Papas, she drove him to Papas' Greektown office.

"The councilwoman said she had a client for me, that she would do a contract and would do a retainer for me. And it was Jim Papas," Riddle told the Free Press on Friday.

Riddle said Conyers had brokered similar deals.

"She knew she couldn't pay me" as a consultant, "so she would go about the business of finding me clients," he said.

Something about this deal was different, however.

"I didn't have to do a lot of work," Riddle said. "And the councilwoman insisted on half of my retainer as a finder's fee."

Riddle said Papas gave him checks totaling $20,000. He said he then paid the councilwoman $10,000 cash.

"While I felt it was a bit exorbitant, it didn't feel that bad given the workload, which was nil," Riddle said, adding, "It was clear he was dealing with me because of Monica, not because of any special skill set he was hoping to gain with me."

Despite the deal, Conyers was not in a position to aid Papas directly.

One of his companies, Environmental Geo-Technologies (EGT), had entered into an agreement to operate the Romulus hazardous waste injection wells for Detroit's Police and Fire Retirement System, which had invested millions in the troubled project. Conyers served on the city's general retirement fund, a separate pension for retired municipal workers.

While the police and fire pension fund supported EGT's takeover of the well, the project still needed approval from federal regulators.

Riddle said that at some point after Papas hired him, Monica Conyers' husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, wrote a letter to the Environmental Protection Agency seeking favorable treatment of the well project. John Conyers, the 21-term congressman, chairs the House Judiciary Committee.

Riddle gave the Free Press an unsigned copy of the letter along with a fax cover sheet from the congressman's office addressed to "Mrs. Conyers" listing her City Council fax number. Under "Comments" it says: "Draft Letter for approval." The cover letter says it was sent by Mustafa Ali, whom the congressman's spokeswoman confirmed once worked in his office.


Riddle said Monica Conyers told him she wanted him to deliver the letter to Papas, but changed her mind. He said he did not know if Papas ever got a copy of the letter.

"She generated the letter," Riddle said of Monica Conyers.

It is unclear whether Papas' alleged payments to Riddle were in any way connected to John Conyers' subsequent letter to the EPA.

In any event, at some point, John Conyers signed the letter and sent it to the agency. The Free Press independently obtained a copy of the signed letter. It is identical to the draft Riddle provided.

Ethics rules prohibit House members from contacting federal agencies on matters in which they have a personal financial interest. It is unclear whether John Conyers knew of any financial connection between his wife and Papas.

John Conyers' spokeswoman would not answer questions about the congressman's letter, including why he sent it, or whether he knew if his wife had indirectly benefited from Papas.

Federal prosecutors previously have cleared Congressman John Conyers of any role in his wife's crimes.

Riddle was unable to provide the Free Press with copies of his contract with Papas, but said federal investigators have copies. A person familiar with the probe confirmed federal agents inquired about the deal.

The EPA later rejected the specific requests sought in the Conyers letter.

The Zeidman's deal
Riddle said Conyers introduced him to Tom LaBret, the owner of Zeidman's, which was seeking to move its Southfield location to 10 Mile and Evergreen. That transaction is now under federal investigation.

"She told him that I could help him out in Southfield," Riddle said.

He said he was paid a five-figure retainer, and the wristwatch he was wearing Friday when he spoke with a Free Press reporter.

He said Monica Conyers negotiated his deal with LaBret and took jewelry for herself.

LaBret hung up on a reporter who called Saturday. He did not return a subsequent message left on his cell phone.

A person familiar with the situation confirmed Riddle's account. The person requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

Riddle said he gave some of his retainer to a Southfield councilman for a community project. Riddle would not name the councilman or detail how much money he gave him. He said he did not know what the community project was or whether the money ever got there.

The person who confirmed much of Riddle's account told the Free Press the councilman was William Lattimore. Lattimore is cooperating with federal authorities probing the Zeidman's transaction in Southfield. The person said Lattimore received at least $7,500.

Lattimore denied taking money and said Saturday the "city's process was not corrupted."

Lattimore accused Riddle of trying to "save his own ass."

"Unlike Sam, I'm not going to comment on my testimony to the U.S. Attorney's Office. I can't. Whatever Sam chooses to do or chooses to relinquish, I guess that's his business. I've been told I cannot comment on my testimony."

Riddle and former state Rep. Mary Waters, who live together, are caught up in the Southfield portion of the federal inquiry, though Riddle insists Waters was not involved.

"Mary Waters had absolutely nothing to do with that other than she introduced me to a councilman she knew out there," Riddle said.

The FBI tapped Riddle's phones from August 2007 until April 2008.

In return for his retainer, Riddle said, he "engaged in aggressive consulting ... quasi-lobbying," including mediating conflicts between Zeidman's and the councilman, showing renderings of the Zeidman's project and obtaining a letter of support from the councilman.

Lattimore denied signing such a letter.


Waters acknowledged that her political prospects had been damaged by the federal probe. "I think I have some explaining to do to the people, which I intend to do," she said, adding, "I did not believe that Sam or Bill, two people that I knew, were doing anything criminal."

Riddle said he didn't break the law.

"I never bribed anyone," he said. "I never attempted to buy any votes."

Staff writers Jennifer Dixon, Tina Lam and Joe Swickard contributed. Contact JIM SCHAEFER: 313-223-4542 or [email protected]. Contact M.L. ELRICK: 313-222-6582 or [email protected].


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Post by: Savonarola on June 29, 2009, 10:06:31 AM
There's still a chance for a media circus:

QuoteCockrel to Conyers: Quit or be forced out
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit -- City Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. says he will begin forcing embattled Councilwoman Monica Conyers from office unless she resigns by Tuesday.

At a press conference today in City Hall, Cockrel said he and colleagues are ready to move forward with a set of resolutions that could be voted on Tuesday to strip Conyers of all her powers and then hire attorney William Goodman to begin the process to remove her from office.

Goodman was hired to do the same with former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

"It is my opinion that pleading guilty to a federal crime, she has essentially forfeited her seat," said Cockrel, who was joined at the press conference by fellow council members Sheila Cockrel, JoAnn Watson, Brenda Jones, Alberta Tinsley Talabi and Kwame Kenyatta.

Cockrel did not know how soon forfeiture proceedings, if she refused to resign, would begin.

Cockrel said he spoke briefly with Conyers on Sunday night. She pleaded guilty on Friday to a single count of conspiracy to commit bribery.

"I did sense some degree of remorse," he said. "But she wants to take some time to make her decision."

Cockrel said Conyers indicated she wants time to consult with her husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, and her family.

Sheila Cockrel called on Monica Conyers to do the right thing.

"She owes it to the city of Detroit to resign immediately and save another media circus. For Detroit's sake, resign," she said.

Jones added that Conyers should resign "for the sake of her family."

The other councilmembers chose to remain silent.

Not attending were Councilwomen Martha Reeves and Barbara-Rose Collins.

Earlier today, before Cockrel's ultimatum, Conyers' spokeswoman, Denise Tolliver, said the councilwoman would attend today's council session for a scheduled vote on the expansion of Cobo Center. No such vote is on the agenda, however. Tolliver couldn't be reached for further comment.

Conyers is scheduled to chair a budget committee meeting this afternoon. As of 10:15 a.m., she was not in City Hall.

Kenneth Cockrel said parts of the council's next plan, such as what to do with Conyers' staff, are still being ironed out.

The 44-year-old Conyers admitted Friday in federal court to taking cash from a Houston-based company in exchange for her vote on a city sludge-treatment contract.

Monica Conyers faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine when she's sentenced. Cockrel said last week that city attorneys were looking into whether Conyers will forfeit her council seat immediately, or whether that will happen after she's sentenced.

Last summer, council tried to begin removal proceedings against Kilpatrick, but the process was scuttled after a Wayne County judge ruled the City Charter was too vague. Kilpatrick resigned as part of a plea deal, although at the time of his decision, Gov. Jennifer Granholm had begun a proceeding where she could have used her powers to oust Kilpatrick.

This morning, Goodman said he believes the process to remove Conyers could be done "in a few weeks."

He said there was no uncertainty that the "conviction of a felony" is a clear reason for council to remove an elected official from office.

The Wayne County judge affirmed that a conviction of a felony is a valid reason to remove an elected official.

However, he also ruled that council could not remove "an elected official (who) violates any provision of the charter punishable by forfeiture" because that reason is too vague.

Council wanted to oust Kilpatirck, alleging he had used his office for private gain, that he failed to disclose a secret side deal to settle police lawsuits in return for hiding embarrassing text messages and that he spent taxpayer money while committing a charter violation.

Goodman added that he "would be honored" to help the city and the council "solve and resolve" the controversy swirling around Conyers.

If it was anyone else I'd be sure he or she would resign quietly; but Monica never ever does anything quietly.  The city charter is such that I doubt the council would be able to oust her; at least not before her term expired anyway.  Still I can't see what she would gain by remaining on the council.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 29, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Oh, please fight, Monica.  :lol:
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Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 29, 2009, 10:06:31 AM
If it was anyone else I’d be sure he or she would resign quietly; but Monica never ever does anything quietly.  The city charter is such that I doubt the council would be able to oust her; at least not before her term expired anyway.  Still I can’t see what she would gain by remaining on the council.


To stand against the wicked and be a symbol of hope for corrupt politicians everywhere?
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Post by: Savonarola on June 29, 2009, 12:56:07 PM
No such luck :(

QuoteConyers to resign from Detroit City Council on July 6
David Josar and Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit -- City Councilwoman Monica Conyers at 11:52 a.m. today submitted a letter of resignation to City Clerk Janice Winfrey.

Conyers wrote: "Effective Monday, July 6, 2009, I hereby resign from my position as Council President Pro-Tempore of the Detroit City Council. My staff will be available until December 31, 2009, to assist in the offices of my colleagues."

Earlier in the day, City Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said he would begin forcing embattled Councilwoman Monica Conyers from office unless she resigned by Tuesday. Attorney General Mike Cox also issued a statement saying he would move to remove Conyers if she didn't resign.

Cockrel left City Hall about 20 minutes after Conyers submitted her resignation but was talking on the phone and did not answer questions from reporters.

However, he later released this statement: "I am glad she did the right thing and resign from the Detroit City Council. Now we, as a council and a city, can move on and forward in focusing on the vital issues our city faces -- and we will."

The 44-year-old Conyers admitted Friday in federal court to taking cash from a Houston-based company in exchange for her vote on a city sludge-treatment contract involving Houston-based Synagro.

She faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine when she's sentenced.

Conyers was elected to council in 2005 and received the second-largest vote tally. That was her second run at elective office. She had lost in an earlier run for state Senate.

She is the wife of Congressman John Conyers Jr. They married when she was 25 and he was 61. She was seven-months pregnant at the time with their first child.

Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel, who had fractious relationship with Conyers, called the resignation "an appropriate decision."

"It is time for the City Council to move beyond Synagro and address the issues that are important to the city," she said.

She said she was concerned that Conyers still wants to remain on council for a week, where she gets access to a city-owned vehicle and earns about $81,000 a year.

In addition, she does not believe Conyers' staff will be allowed to stay in city jobs.

"As far as I'm concerned, she forfeited her seat when she pleaded guilty," she said.

At a press conference this morning in City Hall, Cockrel said he and colleagues were ready to move forward with a set of resolutions that could be voted on Tuesday to strip Conyers of all her powers and then hire attorney William Goodman to begin the process to remove her from office.

Goodman was hired to do the same with former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

"It is my opinion that pleading guilty to a federal crime, she has essentially forfeited her seat," said Cockrel, who was joined at the press conference by fellow council members Sheila Cockrel, JoAnn Watson, Brenda Jones, Alberta Tinsley Talabi and Kwame Kenyatta.

It was not immediately known what Conyers' resignation, which will not go into affect until next Monday, will have on any actions by council.

Cockrel said he spoke briefly with Conyers on Sunday night. She pleaded guilty on Friday to a single count of conspiracy to commit bribery.

"I did sense some degree of remorse," he said. "But she wants to take some time to make her decision."

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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 29, 2009, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Monica Conyers
"Effective Monday, July 6, 2009, I hereby resign from my position as Council President Pro-Tempore of the Detroit City Council. My staff will be available until December 31, 2009, to assist in the offices of my colleagues."


So, her angle will be to stay on the council, but not as President.  :shifty:
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Post by: Caliga on June 29, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
Kinda like how Mark Sanford just quit the RGA.  Apparently he didn't have time to devote to his duties in that org (which is prolly what, like two conferences a year?), but can definitely handle all of his governor duties.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 10:07:07 AM
suspicious

QuoteJohn Conyers defends letter to EPA
By TODD SPANGLER and JIM SCHAEFER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • June 30, 2009

Before U.S. Rep. John Conyers was for a waste injection well in Romulus, he stood with fellow Democratic Rep. John Dingell who was against it.

In 2003, the influential husband of Monica Conyers appeared at a public hearing in Romulus, standing with fellow Michigan Democratic Rep. John Dingell, who was dead set against a planned hazardous waste injection well in that city.

"We're trying to keep the God-given resources that this area is blessed with as healthy and as clean as possible," Conyers told an audience on April 21, 2003.

Early today, John Conyers offered an explanation as to why his position changed before he sent a letter on July 17, 2007, to the Environmental Protection Agency in support of Greektown businessman Dimitrios (Jim) Papas' efforts to transfer permits that would restart the controversial, leak-prone well.

In a statement e-mailed to the Free Press just after midnight, Conyers' office said he "determined that this was something the EPA should reconsider" based "on the context of the congressman's representational duties to his constituents," including the Detroit police and firemen's pension board, which was heavily invested in the waste well operation.

The statement from Conyers' spokeswoman went on to note that federal prosecutors cleared him of any involvement in the bribery investigation into Conyers' wife.

Sam Riddle, the one-time political consultant and aide to Monica Conyers, told the Free Press last week that that Monica Conyers had indirectly benefited from Papas in 2007, before the EPA letter. It's unclear whether John Conyers then knew of any financial ties between his wife and Papas.

The Free Press also has learned that Papas was a political supporter of Monica Conyers. He contributed $1,500 in 2005 to her successful run for City Council. He also cohosted a fund-raiser that brought $12,250 to her campaign, records show. Riddle, who spoke exclusively to the Free Press for Monday editions, said the 2007 EPA letter from John Conyers was generated by Monica Conyers after she arranged a $20,000 consulting contract for Riddle with Papas. One of Papas' companies — Environmental Geo-Technologies — had contracted with the Detroit Police and Firemen's Retirement System to operate the deep-injection well, in which the system had invested millions.

Riddle said Monica Conyers demanded $10,000 from Riddle as a finder's fee.

In a statement Monday night, Papas said he has cooperated fully with federal agents who have investigated Monica Conyers and others.

"Mr. Papas categorically denies any wrongdoing in his past interactions with Monica Conyers or Sam Riddle," the statement read. "During the period in question, Mr. Papas had no business before the City Council and he sought no special consideration in any matters of government."

Papas also said he was told he is not a target of the ongoing investigation.

Monica Conyers pleaded guilty Friday to a felony for taking bribes in connection with an unrelated $1.2-billion sludge-hauling contract. Her crime carries a penalty of up to 5 years in prison, and federal authorities said they plan to present evidence of other crimes at her sentencing.

U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg has said that agents have found no evidence that John Conyers "was knowingly or intentionally involved in Ms. Conyers' illegal conduct."

State Rep. Doug Geiss, a Taylor Democrat who represents Romulus and is an ardent opponent of the deep-injection well, demanded Monday that John Conyers clarify his position on the project.

"I'd like the congressman to go on the record," he said. "I call for him to publicly state it."

In his 2003 public testimony, Conyers — first elected in 1964 — said that while he wanted to continue discussions about the controversial well project, he was going to "join with" Dingell, who was firmly opposed to the project, "in a struggle that has been going on for many years."

A year later, at another hearing, a member of Conyers' staff painted a bleak picture of trucks loaded with hazardous waste rolling up I-75.

In that 2004 hearing, staffer Deanna Maher appeared for the congressman and said: "Everyone in the entire Downriver area, every community is totally against this injection well, and not just for environmental concerns."

None of those concerns were mentioned in Conyers' 2007 letter to the EPA. Though in both, concerns were raised about the police and fire fund's star-crossed investment in the Romulus well.

In the end, the EPA rejected the specific requests sought in the Conyers letter.

It's a sad tale; like Solomon worshipping idols to please his wives.   :(


;)

Of course nothing will ever come of this; I'd be surprised if there was even an investigation into John's role.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
QuoteCouncil 'a second job' for Martha Reeves, back from Motown tour abroad
BY BILL MCGRAW AND ZACHARY GORCHOW • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • June 30, 2009

When we left Detroit City Councilwoman Martha Reeves Friday, she was performing as Martha and the Vandellas in England, barnstorming the country in a Motown 50th anniversary tour, being hailed as a legend, lionized as a diva and missed at the council table during a busy week back home.

Since then, Reeves told an interviewer that her council service was "a second job I have" after singing. She also returned to Detroit, unable to comment on the departure of Monica Conyers because, she said, she didn't know Conyers had resigned.

The last concert was Sunday night in Liverpool, and Reeves missed work at her $81,000-a-year "second job" — with car and staff — in Detroit for the sixth day Monday.

And Monday happened to be one of the most historic days in council history, as six members held a news conference and called for their disgraced colleague Conyers to step down after her guilty plea to federal bribery charges.

Later Monday, Conyers announced she would resign.

Reeves missed critical votes on approving water and sewer rate increases last week. She also was gone as the state Legislature was finalizing legislation to set up a regional authority to oversee the expansion and renovation of Cobo Center.

Back in town Monday evening, Reeves defended her absence.

"There's nine council members," she said. "All you need is a majority vote. My staff was there at every meeting. I got full reports."

Reeves said she was unaware that Conyers had resigned until told by a Free Press reporter about 6 p.m. She declined to comment on Conyers' departure, saying she needed to get up to speed on what happened.

"I'm not that familiar with what's going," she said. "I can't make a comment on anything."

In Britain, Monday's Liverpool Daily Echo reviewed Sunday's concert.

"Martha Reeves & the Vandellas and Mary Wilson of the Supremes more than held their own," wrote Jade Wright. "Motown and its plethora of sublime songs changed the face of music forever. And last night, a part of that magic shone in Liverpool."

The tour, which includes members of the Supremes, Miracles, the Commodores and Jr. Walker's All Stars, received generally favorable reviews in a nation where Motown remains highly popular.

In an interview on the BBC's "Woman's Hour" radio show, Reeves was asked about a gaffe in Brighton, England, where, the interviewer noted, she greeted the crowd by saying, "Good evening, Bristol."

BBC: Hear the interview with Martha Reeves on the BBC

Laughing, Reeves recalled: "The audience was quick to say, 'No, Brighton.' They forgave me right away."

Interestingly, as Reeves referred to her Detroit council gig as a "second job," she told her interviewer touring and politics help keep her sharp.

"I'm very happy to still be alive," said Reeves, who turns 68 on July 18. "A lot of my friends have gone on to heaven. I have some fond memories. I can still remember where I am. So it's a good thing. I think the music keeps me ... and the second job I have keeps me active."

The interviewer expressed astonishment that Reeves sits on the Detroit City Council, but then said: "I mean, why shouldn't you be involved in politics? But it just seems odd."

Then there was this exchange at the end of the interview:

MR: "I have had over 100 different backup singers."

BBC: "In that time? Good grief, you've gone through them, Martha, by the sound of things."

MR: "They've gone through me.

BBC: "Of course they have. Lovely to meet you, it really is."

MR: "Take 'em and bring 'em and you can take them as far as they'll go.

Reeves will be busy in July.

In the Vandella business, that is.

Her Web site lists concerts this Saturday, July 4, in New Jersey and Friday, July 10, and Saturday, July 11, near St. Louis.

Contact BILL McGRAW at [email protected].

I'm glad Martha has found a part time job to supplement her singing career.   :)
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Post by: charliebear on June 30, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
Yes, but was she as good as Barbara Rose-Collins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWivww3-Yfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWivww3-Yfw)

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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 01:52:39 PM
And in other news:

QuoteDecomposed body found in stolen Jeep in Detroit
BY TAMMY STABLES BATTAGLIA • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • June 30, 2009
A body so badly decomposed that a foot fell off was discovered in a stolen Jeep parked behind a house on Detroit's east side Monday.


As Detroit Police investigators tried to check a tether on an ankle just after 4:30 p.m., the foot fell off. Now, homicide officials will try to determine how long the person – too decomposed to determine man or woman Monday – was in a Jeep Cherokee parked in the 18000 block of Alcorn, near 7 Mile and Gratiot.

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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
Heh, never one to go gentle into that great good night:

QuoteMonica Conyers takes to the air on Channel 33
By BEN SCHMITT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • June 30, 2009


She may have resigned her post as Detroit City Council president Pro Tem, but Monica Conyers continued her job as television talk show host today.

Conyers rushed into the studios of WHPR-TV (Channel 33) this afternoon to host her popular Tuesday talk show. She started the broadcast by thanking many of her supporters, especially those in the religious community.


She then offered her opinion on who she thinks Detroiters should vote for in the August primary, giving her support to Councilwomen Martha Reeves and JoAnn Watson.


She took credit for coming up with a plan for the City of Detroit to keep Cobo Center, though she said the current plan for the convention center doesn't provide everything Detroiters need.


"I would have asked for more," she said. "They were trying to give Cobo away in the middle of the night. Just give it away while you were sleeping and while I was sleeping."



She also took partial credit for the water affordability program that helps low-income residents with their water rates, and the reduced trash fee for seniors.


Dressed in a one-piece dress with a strand of pearls and a blazer, Conyers asked reporters on hand if they were there for her show. She wouldn't say if it will be her last broadcast.


Conyers embraced station CEO and owner R.J. Watkins, who says her show gets high ratings.


Just before airing, Conyers rushed out to her car to retrieve something. On her way out she said, "Ya'll think I'm afraid of you. I'm not afraid of y'all.''


Her show, which normally runs for 30 minutes starting at 3:30 p.m., will be on for an hour today.


Conyers has pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to receive a bribe.

What a bunch of amateurs.  Monica would have at least gotten a watch and $20,000 in unmarked bills.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
7 shot at a Detroit bus stop, 5 of them teenagers and 2 in critical condition. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/michigan.school.shooting/
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 30, 2009, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 10:07:44 AM

I'm glad Martha has found a part time job to supplement her singing career.   :)

It's not such a bad thing. A politician who never goes to work has a much smaller chance of fucking up things.
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Post by: Neil on June 30, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
Monica has the city in a reign of terror.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
7 shot at a Detroit bus stop, 5 of them teenagers and 2 in critical condition. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/michigan.school.shooting/


I don't know why, but this time of year we usually see the shoot-outs in the city.  A couple years ago we had someone open fire in the crowd at the fireworks.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 30, 2009, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 30, 2009, 10:07:44 AM

I'm glad Martha has found a part time job to supplement her singing career.   :)

It's not such a bad thing. A politician who never goes to work has a much smaller chance of fucking up things.

That is fair; the fewer council sessions Martha Reeves attends the better off everyone is.
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Post by: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 08:25:06 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 08:23:11 AMI don't know why, but this time of year we usually see the shoot-outs in the city.  A couple years ago we had someone open fire in the crowd at the fireworks.
Crazy from the heat :punk:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 12:44:28 PM
QuoteRiddle: FBI probed $50K deal with Dems
He, state Dem boss differ over why he got paid

Paul Egan / The Detroit News

Detroit -- Political consultant Sam Riddle says federal investigators have questioned $50,000 he received in 2006 from the Michigan Democratic Party-- payments he described as election year "hush money."

In a recent interview with a Detroit News editor, Riddle said the Democrats paid him not to say negative things about Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who faced a challenge from Republican businessman Dick DeVos in the November election that year.

FBI agents also questioned Riddle about connections between Granholm and business consultant Bernard N. Kilpatrick, the father of then-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, said Riddle, the former chief of staff to Councilwoman Monica Conyers.

Granholm and Bernard Kilpatrick worked together in the administration of the late Wayne County Executive Edward H. McNamara in the 1990s. Federal agents have been investigating payments made to Bernard Kilpatrick's consulting firm, Maestro Associates LLC, by companies seeking contracts with the city of Detroit while his son was mayor.

Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, said the $50,000 contract with Riddle's Meridian Management Systems of Flint was for media consulting and was not specifically related to the gubernatorial campaign.

"I can't be responsible for what Sam now says about the contract," Brewer said. "The contract was for media consulting services, and we did in fact consult him about appropriate messages and people to talk to for the fall campaign.

"We have had absolutely no inquiries from law enforcement about this contract," Brewer said.

Liz Boyd, a spokeswoman for Granholm, said the governor had no comment on what Riddle said.

"Clearly, that is a matter between Mr. Riddle and the Michigan Democratic Party," Boyd said of the contract. "I have nothing to add."

As for the FBI asking questions about ties between Granholm and Bernard Kilpatrick, "it is not unreasonable to assume that if the FBI is investigating someone, they might ask questions about someone they might have once worked with or known," Boyd said.

Federal Election Commission records show the Democrats paid Riddle's company the money in five $10,000 installments on July 15, July 29, Sept. 6, Oct. 10 and Nov. 5. The election was Nov. 7.

Granholm's links to Bernard Kilpatrick were also an issue last July, when The News reported that Granholm spoke to a top official in the U.S. Attorney's Office about whether it was possible to have a joint resolution of the ongoing federal investigation of Detroit City Hall-- in which Bernard Kilpatrick was a major focus-- and her review of then-Mayor Kilpatrick's conduct in office, which was then pending.

A day after that article appeared, the Detroit Free Press reported that Granholm also asked then-First Assistant U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg about the strength of the government's case against Bernard Kilpatrick-- an allegation her office denied.

In a related development Tuesday, Detroit businessman Jim Papas said Conyers approached him about hiring Riddle in 2006 because "she felt her budget was too limited."

But Papas denied any wrongdoing or connection between a $20,000 contract with Riddle and a letter that Conyers' husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, wrote to federal agents in support of Papas' controversial deep injection well. John Conyers' staffers had opposed the project.

Papas, who issued a statement saying he is not a target of investigators, said he asked a staffer for John Conyers to write the letter. Riddle had nothing to do with it, Papas said. Conyers issued a statement early Tuesday denying any wrongdoing and saying he reconsidered his position "in the context of the congressman's representational duties to his constituents."

Federal agents said Conyers had no knowledge of his wife's crimes and didn't attempt to influence the investigation. Monica Conyers pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy to bribery for accepting at least $6,000 to switch her position on a $1.2 billion sludge-hauling contract, allowing it to pass in 2007.

On the one hand it's hard to believe Riddle's story; why would a Democrat governor have to buy off a Democrat power broker to keep him quiet?  He would have been on the down and out if a Grand Rapids based Rebublican like DeVos had won.  On the other hand it is Detroit and it seems that everyone in city government gets their cut.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 02, 2009, 09:10:10 AM
QuoteConyers speaks out on TV show
Councilwoman apologizes, regrets hiring former aide
David Josar and Christine Macdonald / The Detroit News
Detroit --Outgoing City Councilwoman Monica Conyers took to the airwaves one day after announcing her resignation, lashing out at the media, apologizing to supporters and distancing herself from onetime chief of staff Sam Riddle.

"If I was smart, I would have listened to my husband (U.S. Rep. John Conyers) and (Riddle) never would have worked for me," Conyers said Tuesday during the broadcast of a 60-minute television show "Ask the Councilwoman with Monica Conyers" on WHPR-TV 33 in Highland Park.

"But sometimes, we as women don't listen to our husbands."


Conyers pleaded guilty Friday in federal court to accepting bribe money to influence her vote on a city sludge contract. Riddle had been her longtime consultant and now, too, is ensnarled in the City Hall corruption scandal.

Her comments follow Riddle's claims that Conyers set up a $20,000 contract between him and Greektown mogul Jim Papas related to his deal with the city's pension system to operate a controversial waste well in Romulus.

The TV show was the first time Conyers had spoken publicly since her plea, and it was vintage Conyers. She smiled throughout most of the hour, but at one point wiped away a tear. She closed by blowing a kiss to the camera and apologizing to voters.

"To all the residents of Detroit, if I disappointed you, I apologize," said Conyers, who drove herself to the Highland Park broadcast studio. Conyers prefaced her remarks by saying she wouldn't talk about her guilty plea. "I don't want to get my judge mad at me, and I don't want to go to jail," she said, then proceeded to light into the media for camping outside her house. She entered the studios asking reporters, "You think I'm afraid of y'all?"

After the taping, Conyers said she hopes to be back next week for another segment.

"I shall too see all you later," she said.

Conyers said she resigned -- this is her last week on council -- because she didn't want to drag the city through a crisis, but called out City Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. for threatening to begin forfeiture of office proceedings. She said it would have failed.

Conyers said the only two council members running for re-election worthy of endorsing are JoAnn Watson and Martha Reeves, and the only other candidate she would recommend voters select is Fred Hall.

Conyers also reiterated her love of God and thanked pastors for praying for her, saying "God doesn't give you more than you can handle," but added, "if you blast me, God, you better hope nothing happens to you."

Also Tuesday, Cockrel fired Conyers' aunt, Sunceria Garrett, from the council's administrative offices and didn't renew four of her staffers' contracts. Cockrel said Garrett -- whom Conyers hired while she served as council president -- was let go for budget reasons.

I'm not a resident of Detroit, but you didn't disappoint me Monica   :)

...though you did confirm a number of my views about Detroit City Government.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on July 02, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
So of the two people she named as "worthy of re-election," one can't even be arsed to show up for sessions if she's got a gig. That's a fantastic grasp of politics Monica has. I wonder how often during the week John reads accounts of his wife and just facepalms.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 02, 2009, 09:59:20 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 02, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
So of the two people she named as "worthy of re-election," one can't even be arsed to show up for sessions if she's got a gig. That's a fantastic grasp of politics Monica has. I wonder how often during the week John reads accounts of his wife and just facepalms.

The other one dodges property taxes.  Plus Monica would have endorsed Singin' Barbara Rose Collins if she was running for re-election.
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Post by: charliebear on July 02, 2009, 10:31:44 AM
Quote"I shall too see all you later," she said.


Is Monica a product of the Detroit Public Schools?  I don't think normal people speak this way.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 02, 2009, 10:33:24 AM
Racist.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 02, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
So of the two people she named as "worthy of re-election," one can't even be arsed to show up for sessions if she's got a gig. That's a fantastic grasp of politics Monica has. I wonder how often during the week John reads accounts of his wife and just facepalms.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 10, 2009, 01:20:09 PM
Once again the city council gets right on the real problem:

QuoteDetroit council takes aim at Billy Dee Williams malt liquor ads
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Put off by a recent spate of billboards around the city that feature actor Billy Dee Williams touting malt liquor with the phrase "works every time," the City Council on Tuesday began looking at ways to regulate billboard advertising.

"This is killing our community," Councilwoman JoAnn Watson said after a local minister, Mayowa Lisa Reynolds, appeared before council asking for help.

Reynolds said she conducted a survey and found the billboards, which feature a cartoon representation of Williams trying to sell Colt 45, located in every square mile of the city.

"This is just wrong for our city," said Reynolds, who then questioned what the slogan, "works every time," means.he Col

"That if women drink it, ladies will lose their virginity?" she asked. "Or a man will do things out of character?"

She added that she did not find the billboards in nearby communities such as Royal Oak and Plymouth.

"It's an issue of racism and perversity," Watson said.


Council directed its Research and Analysis Division to see what action council could take and whether council could halt the erection of new billboards.

City planning director Marcel Todd said that "regulating content is a very scary grounds" because of freedom of speech issues.

However, the city can regulate "time, place and manner" of advertising in the city, he said.

Other cities have taken action against the billboards.

In St. Louis, for example, city officials have criticized the advertisements because they don't include the drinking age or identify the product as being alcoholic.

Councilwoman Alberta Tinsley-Talabi, who got elected to council after launching a "Denounce the 40 ounce" campaign two decades ago to cut down on alcohol sales, was especially upset.

"Every 20 years we have to start this fight again," she said.

Council President Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said he too had problems with the billboards but tempered his criticism by suggesting that the ads wouldn't go up if people didn't buy the products.

"We also have to check ourselves," he said. "I see a lot of people buying 40 ounces."

Shame on you, Lando.
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Post by: The Minsky Moment on July 10, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 18, 2009, 02:13:54 PM
It still has the look and feel of a 30s Jazz Club (just like the Village Vanguard, in fact.)

the VV has the look and feel of a dark, cramped NYC basement, which is what it is.
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Post by: Barrister on July 10, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
I'm surprised Billy Dee Williams would still be an effective spokesman for any product.  Do young urban blacks even know who he is?
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 10, 2009, 01:39:35 PM
Nobody fucks with Lando Calrissian Griffin.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 10, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
All she wanted to do was help people    :(

QuoteMonica Conyers returns to airwaves, says helping folks got her in trouble
The Detroit News / The Detroit News
Highland Park -- Former City Councilwoman Monica Conyers today blamed her desire to help neighbors on her current troubles.

"My biggest problem is helping people," Conyers told viewers on WHPR-TV (Channel 33.) "This whole situation has gotten to the point where I don't want to help people. That's a sad situation. ... If they're going to turn around and lie about people, if they're going to lie on me, I don't want to help people."

The comments on her live show, "Ask the Councilwoman," were the first in public since Conyers resigned Monday after pleading guilty to a five-year felony on claims she accepted two payments of $3,000 to switch her vote in 2007 on a $1.2 billion sludge-hauling contract.

Conyers addressed a lawsuit filed last week from a former staffer, Shanise Robinson, who claims she quit because Conyers did nothing to stop sexual harassment from another employee, Dale Foster, who is now a council candidate. Robinson worked for Conyers for a month in 2008 and alleged Conyers used profanity and threatened to fire her for using the wrong coffee cup and how she answered the phone.

Conyers denied that Robinson ever told her about the situation and said she hired the longtime worker because she had two young children. She said Robinson just left the office one day and never explained her whereabouts. Foster also has denied the claims.

"I felt bad for her," Conyers said. "To say I said those curse words and to not tell me that someone in my office was sexually harassing her and to sue the city ... I just find that disingenuous."

"No one ever ran personal errands for me under any circumstances ... ," Conyers said. "People think I'm down now, so they're going to make up the whole kitchen sink just to make a quick penny."

Conyers, who apologized to viewers for wearing a baseball cap and a T-shirt with the words "100% Back," also touched on the media's treatment of deceased pop star Michael Jackson, threw her support behind new Police Chief Warren Evans and announced the show would still be called "Ask the Councilwoman" even though she resigned.

"I love this show," Conyers said. "A lot of people don't want me to do my show, but I enjoy it. ... Who knows? Maybe I'll get a national sitcom."

Conyers spoke at length about her love of Jackson and the media's treatment of him before and since his death. She said she once got his autograph at the Hotel St. Regis and has listened to his CDs nonstop since his death.

"If I dig into their backgrounds, I could find some bad things, but vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord," Conyers said.

She also exchanged words with a reporter outside the Highland Park station, asking if he wanted her to go to jail and telling viewers, "I don't know why they are here." At one point, a caller accused Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel of bringing about Conyers' downfall.

"Absolutely, we know that," Conyers said. "But I can't talk about that now. Everything will come out in its own time."

Conyers also told viewers the city still got a raw deal with a compromise to expand Cobo Center. Legislation passed recently in Lansing would allow the city to maintain ownership, but lease it to a regional authority that would oversee an expansion and improvements for the North American International Auto Show.

Conyers said she pressed for the lease-back deal, but the city was "hoodwinked" because there are no guarantees that Detroiters would receive 25 percent of jobs at the center or $15 million to pay the debt on the parking structure.

Conyers pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy to commit bribery in connection to the City Hall corruption probe.

She turned in her city-owned Crown Victoria on Monday, said her spokeswoman, Denise Tolliver.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 10, 2009, 03:44:51 PM
In the past week a councilman in the Detroit suburb of Southfield was accused of taking bribes (from the same jeweler that Monica Conyers also allegedly accepted bribes):

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090706/METRO/907060389/-1/ARCHIVE/Southfield-councilman-charged-with-bribery (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090706/METRO/907060389/-1/ARCHIVE/Southfield-councilman-charged-with-bribery)

Kwame is under scrutiny for possibly violating state campaign law:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090708/METRO/907080425/-1/ARCHIVE/State-kicks-Kilpatrick-legal-tab-issue-to-IRS (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090708/METRO/907080425/-1/ARCHIVE/State-kicks-Kilpatrick-legal-tab-issue-to-IRS)

A Detroit police officer was charged with stealing from the auto tip reward fund:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090708/METRO01/907080398/-1/ARCHIVE/Detroit-cop-charged-with-stealing-reward-money (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090708/METRO01/907080398/-1/ARCHIVE/Detroit-cop-charged-with-stealing-reward-money)

The head of the school system is discussing the possibility of bankruptcy of the school system with a judge:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090709/SCHOOLS/907090451/-1/ARCHIVE/DPS--Bobb-calls-meeting-with-ex-bankruptcy-judge--a-very-sad-moment- (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090709/SCHOOLS/907090451/-1/ARCHIVE/DPS--Bobb-calls-meeting-with-ex-bankruptcy-judge--a-very-sad-moment-)

Martha Reeves said that she's keeping her campaign contribution from the man who bribed Monica Conyers:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090710/METRO08/907100383/-1/ARCHIVE/Councilwoman-Reeves-to-keep-donations-from-ex-Synagro-exec (http://www.detnews.com/article/20090710/METRO08/907100383/-1/ARCHIVE/Councilwoman-Reeves-to-keep-donations-from-ex-Synagro-exec)


In addition the police chief was fired without warning.  A Habitat for Humanity worker was beaten and robbed at a construction site.  Seven people were arrested in a mortgage fraud sting.  200 tons of road salt was stolen form the Washtenaw County yard and a Detroit 911 operator who dismissed a boy's call about his dying mother as a prank is back on the job.  It struck me that other city's newspapers aren't like this.  Tales of failure of the system, corruption in city government and bizarre crime are so prevalent in Detroit papers that they've become like the crossword puzzle; something that one sees every single day.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 10, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
And the Lions still suck, too.
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Post by: Caliga on July 13, 2009, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 10, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
"...if they're going to lie on me, I don't want to help people."
:rolleyes: Bitch.  At least give me a reach around if I'm gonna lie on ya.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 13, 2009, 01:15:59 PM
Reform  Detroit style:

QuoteBills mounting as Detroit police reforms crawling along
BY JOE SWICKARD and DAVID ASHENFELTER • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • July 13, 2009

Through years of broken promises, foot-dragging, millions of dollars in oversight fees and payouts in police misconduct lawsuits, U.S. District Judge Julian Cook has been patient as three Detroit police chiefs -- James Barren, Ella Bully-Cummings and Jerry Oliver -- failed to comply with most federally mandated reforms.

Cook has extended deadlines and modified requirements since 2003, when the city signed agreements pledging to clean up the police department. But he may have reached the end of his tolerance.

In an extraordinary step, Cook has sent out a news release inviting the media to a hearing Friday to talk about the city's progress in correcting massive problems uncovered by a 2000 Free Press probe of shootings by police, dragnet arrests and mistreatment of prisoners.

Cook wouldn't discuss the invitation, but officials and citizen groups said it appears that Cook is ready to demand action.

"He hasn't wielded the big stick as we had expected him to," said Ron Scott of the Coalition Against Police Brutality, whose protests help bring about the decrees.

In 6 years, 36% of goals met
Detroit cops promised to clean up their department years ago.


But the legal agreements city officials signed in 2003 with the U.S. Department of Justice's civil rights division over questionable shootings of civilians, illegal dragnet arrests and inhumane treatment of prisoners, have remained unfulfilled for six years with no end in sight.


"Where we are is unsatisfactory," Detroit Deputy Mayor Saul Green said last week. "Mayor Bing recognizes that and we're not going to accept it."


A court hearing is set for this Friday before Cook to discuss the city's progress -- or lack of it -- in enacting reforms. Cook specifically invited the news media to attend the hearing, which is typically held behind closed doors.


Since signing the so-called consent decrees in 2003, only 73 of the 203 provisions -- 36% -- have been met, according to the last review, released in February. The next report is due this week and little improvement is expected.

"It's time, it's past time" for reforms, said City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, one of several council members to complain about the pace of reform.

Watson wants Cook to make the City Council a party to the agreement and have a say in the reforms, something Cook refused to do in 2003. Cook also previously rejected efforts by a community group, the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, to join the case.

Cook's apparent frustration is matched by Mayor Dave Bing and his top aide Green, a former U.S. attorney who once pushed through similar federally ordered reforms in Cincinnati.

Last week's sudden firing of Barren, who held the post less than a year, by Bing was tied in part to the troubled and slow-paced reform efforts.

Within hours of taking charge of the department, incoming Chief Warren Evans, the former Wayne County sheriff, met with the top brass and told them complying with the decrees is a top priority.


Evans "has assured us this is an area of clear focus and attention," Green said.

Minuses, pluses
According to past reports on the department's progress, federal monitors are especially troubled that the police still don't have a functioning computerized early warning system to monitor, track and evaluate officers' performance. The current system, promised for decades, has too little memory, has trouble cross-referencing and analyzing data and is hard to use.

In addition, only a handful of patrol cars have functioning video cameras, a concern to Wayne County prosecutors and judges. They said the cameras seem prone to malfunction at critical times.

Detroit paid out $13.3 million in lawsuit settlements and claims paid without legal cases being filed in the 2007-08 fiscal year for police misconduct. That figure -- the most recent available -- includes the $9.1 million paid in the whistle-blower case that launched the text message scandal. The city also paid $1.6 million for constitutional violations and $1.2 million for a fatal shooting.

Because the city is self-insured, the money comes out of municipal accounts.

On the plus-side, illegal dragnets -- the practice of detaining potential homicide witnesses and holding them without a court order -- have been curbed, and police holding cells have been fitted with smoke detectors, fire alarm systems and sprinklers.

News probe revealed problems
A Free Press investigation in 2000 found Detroit police led major cities in the rate of fatal shootings of civilians, with the incidents often given cursory investigations that were often tilted toward the officers.


The newspaper also found the department had stalled previous reform efforts and that city officials had once hid a critical outside evaluation. That evaluation, uncovered by the Free Press, laid out a road map for reform.

Watson said Green, with his experience as a federal monitor in Cincinnati, "is our secret weapon, our ace in the deck" to get the police in line. In that city, community group involvement was considered key to implementing the reforms.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Judith Levy, the Justice Department's point person for the decree, declined to comment.

Cook didn't return calls.

It's hard to get anyone from the suburbs to care about this, since there are still a lot of people in Detroit who need to be fatally shot; but in the city this is a hot button issue.  When my brother worked as a uniformed agricultural inspector for customs some crazy woman harassed him at a Burger King about police brutality ("What do you think about police brutality?  Do you think that it's right?  What if it was someone you knew? And so on.)   He said the experience traumatized him so that he was especially brutal on the mangoes he seized for the rest of the day.

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 13, 2009, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 13, 2009, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 10, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
"...if they're going to lie on me, I don't want to help people."
:rolleyes: Bitch.  At least give me a reach around if I'm gonna lie on ya.

:lol:

I'm guessing that University of District of Columbia recognized Ebonics as a second language; otherwise I can't imagine how Monica got her JD from there.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 13, 2009, 04:18:58 PM
Should have asked for a bigger bribe, William:

QuoteSouthfield official Lattimore avoids getting on ballot
BY GINA DAMRON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • July 13, 2009

Southfield City Councilman William Lattimore — who is facing a federal bribery charge — won't be on the ballot for the city's September primary because he hasn't paid up more than $600 in debts to the city, including hundreds in parking tickets, the city clerk said today.

Lattimore, charged in Detroit's U.S. District Court earlier this month, faces a felony charge that he took $7,500 in 2007 as a councilman, "intending to be rewarded and influenced in connection with his official duties," according to court documents.

In an interview with the Free Press today, Lattimore said he's not sure when he'll appear in court.

He also said that, because of the charge, he wanted to withdraw from the election, but had already missed the deadline to do so. Lattimore — who was first elected to the council in 2005 — said he intentionally neglected to pay debts he owes to the city so he wouldn't be eligible. A letter he sent to Southfield City Clerk Nancy Banks on July 8 gave the same explanation for the debts.

"Once I got charged, I felt I needed to concentrate everything, concentrate my attention solely on my deal, on my case," Lattimore said. "I couldn't do both. I couldn't campaign and do that."

Banks said Lattimore owed about $576 in parking tickets and $48.54 on a past-due water bill.

Lattimore did, however, pass a FBI background check — required of all potential candidates — according to a July 7 letter from Southfield Police Chief Joseph Thomas Jr. to Banks.

Officials with the police department could not be reached for comment this afternoon.

In his letter, Lattimore wrote to Banks that he needs to concentrate on trying to "vindicate" himself from the charges.

Lattimore has said Detroit political consultant Sam Riddle and former state Rep. Mary Waters are also under scrutiny in the Southfield federal probe. All three have been investigated as part of a probe linked to Zeidman's Jewelry & Loan, a pawnshop that relocated and expanded in Southfield.

"I so wish that things were different for me than what they are now," Lattimore wrote in his letter, "but I have to do whatever I can do to try to safe my life, and my livelihood."

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Post by: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 09:23:06 AM
Surprise!  Police Brutality in Detroit is still all whitey's fault:

QuoteDetroit Police Department
The election the first black mayor of the city of Detroit was all about police brutality. Detroit leaders had recruited white men from the southern United States that were (according to court records) big stuff Klansman. These men were recruited to help keep the "Negro" in place.

Many blacks moved from the brutal South to the promising North after World War II in hopes for a better life. The numbers were frightening to some whites, who felt blacks in large numbers would take over control of the city. So, the police department leaders implemented the "Big Four," where they had four big stuff Klansman riding in one squad car.

Blacks were subject to beatings by the Big Four on any occasion, at any time. Wherever blacks gathered, they had to be on the lookout for the Big Four. The Big Four beat many good and well-meaning black citizens and created bad feelings between black citizens and Detroit's police.

By 1973, many whites had moved to the suburbs and blacks had been encouraged to participate in city political systems by the passage of the 1965 Voters Right Act and the election of Mayor Richard Hatcher in Gary, Ind. Coleman Young ran for Detroit's mayor on a platform of changing the city's police department and won big time. Throughout his terms as mayor, Young won without an endorsement from the police department's political organization.


It is heartbreaking to think that after 40 years of black officials holding offices, from the City Council to the official dogcatcher, that there are still so many problems between the citizens and its police department.

To see what the federal government is charging the police department with is beyond imagination:

1. No computers to track officer performance

2. No video cameras on squad cars

3. Illegal dragnet arrests

4. Mistreatment of prisoners

The results include $13 million paid out in lawsuits for 2007, $1.6 million for Constitutional violations and $1.2 million for fatal shootings.

How can this be with all the blacks in power in a mostly black city? What is missing or what is not being told? Why didn't Police Chiefs Ella Bully-Cummings or Jerry Oliver do anything about these problems? Did nonresident officers that came in under the Dennis Archer administration to turn Detroit around cause these problems?

Something is not being revealed to the public and responsible journalists need to find out and tell the whole story.

From Robert Smith Jr.'s blog in the Detroit News.

"Nonresident officers" means white officers; the white devil hides in Detroit's suburbs and comes to the city to steal all the good jobs. 
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Post by: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 09:23:35 AM
Like a free ride, when you've already paid:

QuoteDPS board seeks to halt Bobb
It wants answer on roles in school reform
Mark Hicks And Marisa Schultz / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The Detroit Public Schools' board voted unanimously Tuesday to seek a court order to halt the emergency financial manager's plan to turn 17 of the district's 22 high schools over to four professional management firms to help boost student achievement and graduation rates.

They'll also ask a judge to more clearly define the board's role in setting academic policies while emergency financial manager Robert Bobb works to overhaul the district's finances. Attorney David Olmstead is working for free on the issue, board members said.

Bobb announced the plan Friday, a day after the board adopted its own master plan for academics. Board members said he made the plans without their knowledge and didn't consult them. They say he overstepped his authority and was interfering with their role in setting the district's educational policy.

"We hope this forces him to say what he's going to do, which is consult with us," board President Carla Scott said, adding the court order would allow a judge to further outline the board's authority.

"We have no problem working with him, but we have a problem with him working around us. You can't do something without discussing it with us. You don't have a right to set the policy."

Last week, Gov. Jennifer Granholm's spokeswoman said Bobb, whom the governor appointed earlier this year, is not overstepping his role with the district. Granholm gave him a very difficult job of turning around the district, and he doesn't need to be micromanaged, Liz Boyd said.

Scott said the board's legal counsel still is determining whether the action will be filed in federal or circuit court.

District spokesman Steve Wasko said schools would remain DPS schools, and that Bobb's plan did not mean the schools would be privatized.

"Mr. Bobb continues to be focused on the children's issues, not the adult ones," he said. "Dwelling on the adult ones for far too long has led a district to seven consecutive years of deficit spending and, even worse, more years of academic deficits."

Bobb's plan involves some of the districts' worst-performing high schools and is part of a wider restructuring of 40 schools. Bobb is considering management companies for six alternative schools and 10 elementary schools.

Despite the closure of 29 schools, nearly 2,500 layoffs and elimination of general funding to the Children's Museum, the district is facing a $259.5 million deficit. And last week, Bobb also met with retired U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Ray Reynolds Graves to discuss Chapter 9 bankruptcy for the district.

During Tuesday's meeting, board members expressed concern about whether Bobb's plan would cause greater financial hardship to the district. They also hoped to obtain contracts for the management firms to learn about their pay.

"This money should be explained in how it's being spent and where," said board member Ida Short.

Board member Anthony Adams agreed.

"We're talking about process and procedure," Adams said. "It's about transparency and spending millions of dollars."

Scott said the board was not interested in fighting Bobb but wanted to make sure board members had their say in how they reshaped the district. That's what the board is assigned to do, she said.

"Our intention is to set the standards that our children deserve," Scott said. "We're not afraid of reform, but we do draw the line at giving a substandard education to our students."

Gee, maybe those are the sorts of thing the school board should have paid attention to before the State of Michigan had to take control of the system.
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Post by: Neil on July 15, 2009, 11:21:21 AM
Maybe Detroit should just disband the police.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Better to disband Detroit.  Its a national disgrace to allow a major American city to make Zimbabwe look well governed.
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Post by: Neil on July 15, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Better to disband Detroit.  Its a national disgrace to allow a major American city to make Zimbabwe look well governed.
Just wall it off and declare it a no man's land?  That has potential.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:28:06 PM
Worked in Batman
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Post by: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 15, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Better to disband Detroit.  Its a national disgrace to allow a major American city to make Zimbabwe look well governed.
Just wall it off and declare it a no man's land?  That has potential.

But what if the President's plane crash lands there?  Kirk Russel is getting old.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:39:52 PM
That's what Ryan Reynolds is for.
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Post by: Neil on July 15, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 15, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Better to disband Detroit.  Its a national disgrace to allow a major American city to make Zimbabwe look well governed.
Just wall it off and declare it a no man's land?  That has potential.

But what if the President's plane crash lands there?  Kirk Russel is getting old.
Obama would be better amongst his own kind.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
QuoteSam Riddle indicted on corruption charges
Ex-state legislator Mary Waters also indicted
BY JOE SWICKARD AND BEN SCHMITT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • July 15, 2009

Detroit political consultant Sam Riddle was indicted today on a host of federal charges ranging from bribery to extortion, mail fraud and making false statements.

Also charged was former state legislator Mary Waters, who lives with Riddle. The pair were charged with conspiracy to bribe and two counts of bribery stemming from their alleged roles in helping a Southfield pawnshop relocate and expand in that city.

Riddle alone was charged with multiple offenses in connection with the tainted 2007 Synagro sludge-treatment contract. He was charged with extortion, making false statements, mail fraud and bribery relating to Synagro.

Neither Riddle nor his lawyer David Steingold was available for immediate comment.

Todd Flood, Waters' lawyer, declined to comment.

Riddle has been a "Political Consultant" in the city of Detroit for a very long time.  It will be interesting to see if he rats everyone out or if he takes his secrets to the grave.  Knowing how much he loves media attention I'm guessing the former.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
QuoteConyers, Riddle teamed up to extort thousands, indictment alleges
Ex-state legislator Mary Waters also indicted
BY JOE SWICKARD, BEN SCHMITT, DAVID ASHENFELTER AND GINA DAMRON • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • July 15, 2009

Detroit political consultant Sam Riddle was indicted today on a host of federal charges ranging from bribery to extortion, mail fraud and making false statements and court documents contend that former City Councilwoman Monica Conyers participated at every turn of the conspiracy.

Also charged was former state legislator Mary Waters, who lives with Riddle. The pair were charged with conspiracy to bribe and two counts of bribery stemming from their alleged roles in helping a Southfield pawnshop relocate and expand in that city.

Riddle alone was charged with multiple offenses in connection with the tainted 2007 Synagro sludge-treatment contract. He was charged with extortion, making false statements, mail fraud and bribery relating to Synagro.

Riddle also was indicted on various corruption charges involving then-Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, who recently pleaded guilty to bribery in the Synagro deal. Riddle was an aide to Conyers.

Gina Balaya, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said Riddle and Waters will not appear in court today.

The indictment involving Detroit corruption cites four deals in which the feds say that Riddle and Conyers extorted money from people or companies seeking city business. Among the allegations:

• That Riddle and Conyers extorted $20,000 from the owner of a technology company seeking a multimillion dollar investment from the General Retirement System.

• That the pair extorted $20,000 from a Detroit restaurant owner who had business before the City Council.

• Riddle and Conyers extorted another $25,000 from a company operating strip clubs that was seeking a change in licenses from the City Council.

• In addition, Riddle and Conyers allegedly conspired to extort money from a Detroit real estate developer who had business before council and was seeking a multimillion dollar investment from Detroit's General Retirement System.


In addition, Riddle is charged with conspiring to extort money in connection with the city sludge contract with Synagro Technologies, for allegedly accepting cash payments on Conyers' behalf to influence her vote on the Synagro contract.

The indictment says Conyers told Riddle, "You better get my loot, that's all I know," in November 2007 as they pair put pressure on a Detroit restaurant owner to hire Riddle for consulting work. The indictment points out "the restaurant owner told Conyers he did not need a consultant."

Conyers recently pleaded guilty to a single felony bribery charge in the Synagro deal, admitting that she took bribes to cast the deciding vote in the November 2007 Synagro deal, a $1.2-billion contract that has since been rescinded because of serial corruption.

According to the Southfield indictment, between April 2007 and May 2008, defendants Riddle and Waters conspired with each other to bribe City Councilman William Lattimore with $12,500 in order to influence and reward Lattimore for his support for the relocation and expansion of the Zeidman's jewelry and pawn shop in Southfield.

Riddle received three payments totaling $45,000 for his help in the Zeidman's project; the indictment does not specify who paid him. He also received a $5,500 Breitling watch, the feds say. Waters received a $6,000 Rolex, the indictment says.


The Indictment charges that Riddle and Waters paid Lattimore $7,500 in cash on about August 1, 2007. Riddle and Waters made a second payment of $5,000 to Lattimore that October. In May of last year, Lattimore advocated and voted for the relocation of the pawn shop at a city council meeting. The indictment said Lattimore had issued letters on City of Southfield letterhead supporting the relocation soon after each of the two bribes were paid by Riddle and Waters.

In an earlier interview with the Free Press, Lattimore had specifically denied writing such a letter of support.

Lattimore was charged with a single count of bribery in the pawnshop deal. He has previously denied wrongdoing and declined comment today.

Andrew Arena, FBI Special Agent in Charge in Detroit said: "The City of Detroit has a right to expect honest services from its public officials, however, that trust has been abused. The indictment speaks for itself by outlining an arrangement of extortion and bribery between Sam Riddle and Monica Conyers."

Neither Riddle nor his lawyer David Steingold was available for immediate comment.

Todd Flood, Waters' lawyer, declined to comment.

U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg said the corruption probes are not over.

"The indictments today are an additional step of investigations into corruption in the metropolitan area," Berg said. "The investigation is continuing."

Come back to freep.com for more on this breaking story.

This should be a rating bonanza for Monica Conyers' television show.   :)
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Post by: Savonarola on July 16, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
A few more details added from yesterdays article:

QuoteFeds paint Conyers as bold shakedown artist
BY BILL McGRAW • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • July 15, 2009

The federal grand jury indictment might say "United States of America vs. Samuel L. Riddle Jr."

But the name of Monica Conyers surfaces everywhere in the 27-page document, which contends that the former city councilwoman played Bonnie to Riddle's Clyde as they prowled Detroit, boldly shaking down businesspeople and stuffing their pockets and bank accounts with cash.

The indictment is only the government's version of events, and Conyers' attorney, Steve Fishman, cautioned that it should be read with skepticism.

Fishman said: "What was it that Gladys Knight said? 'Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.'"

Conyers wore the pants in this dysfunctional family.

"You'd better get my loot, that's all I know," Conyers is quoted as telling Riddle regarding a payment from a restaurant owner.

Riddle passed her $10,000 in that caper, the indictment says.

Conyers pleaded guilty last month to one count of bribery conspiracy in the $1.2 billion Synagro sludge-hauling deal. If even some of the new allegations are true, you don't need a Harvard law degree to realize Conyers got a great deal.

She also resigned from the council, putting an end to one of the loudest, weirdest, shortest, most polarizing and corrupt political careers in memory.


While Conyers' plea agreement precludes any additional charges, U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn can consider the information contained in the indictment when he decides her sentence. Under the plea deal, the maximum Conyers can do is five years.

Conyers first took office in January 2006. Just 15 month months later, according to the indictment, Conyers and Riddle began their extortion racket.

The indictment charges:

• Conyers conspired with Riddle to hit up the owner of a technology company for $20,000 to make Riddle a bogus "consultant."

• Conyers and Riddle pressured a Detroit restaurant owner to pay Riddle $20,000 for another "consulting job" that didn't exist.

• Conyers and Riddle received $25,000 from the owner of a strip club with an issue before the city council.

• Conyers and Riddle attempted to receive money in another faux "consulting contract" for Riddle, this time with a real estate developer.

Conyers, the wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, a Detroit Democrat, became notorious for her bad temper in public. In private, she appears to be equally difficult. The indictment portrays her as nagging Riddle and ordering him to carry out her orders in their various schemes.

"This bitch is a trip," Riddle told an owner of the technology company, explaining Conyers was eager to receive the owner's final $5,000 payment.

"Work on the, uh, five thing," Riddle advised, "so I can keep her chilled out and stuff."

They should make "Gimme the Loot" Monica's theme song on her television show.   :cool:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 16, 2009, 12:21:36 PM
Democracy at its finest:

QuoteDetroit council hears complaints about Cobo Center plan
Darren A. Nichols / The Detroit News
Detroit --The City Council has begun to discuss plans to expand Cobo Center this morning, reviving an often-controversial debate about the future of the facility and the North American International Auto Show.

About 100 residents are in the City Council's 13th floor auditorium for a public hearing that began at 10 a.m. The council isn't expected to make any decision today, just hear debate.

The first speaker was Annivory Calvert, a council candidate, who said she was speaking on behalf of her son, state Rep. Coleman A. Young II. She said there's been no appraisal of the land. Like most of the 20 speakers, she had a problem with the plan.

"It seems to be a hobby for them (in Lansing) to step on home rule," said Theo Broughton of Hood Research, a community group. "It seems to me there are whose who are circumventing the power of the City Council."

City resident Sylvia Williams called it "share cropper" legislation.

"This was lousy," said Williams, who has owned her home for 31 years. "It is of no benefit to the residents of Detroit."


The council shot down a plan earlier this year that would have transferred ownership to a regional authority that would oversee nearly $300 million in renovations to help keep the auto show in Detroit. Mayor Dave Bing has expressed confidence in a new plan that would allow the city to retain ownership and lease it to the authority for 30 years.

Bing isn't taking the proposal to the council, and members would need to muster six votes to defeat the proposal by Aug. 1. Otherwise, it goes into effect. Tom Barrow, a mayoral candidate in the Aug. 4 primary, criticized Bing for refusing to take the plan to the council.

"This slick, disrespectful grab of our jewel will devastate our city financially," Barrow said. "The cunning Oakland County Executive (L. Brooks Patterson) and his out-state friends do this now while we have a leadership that is weak and a council under duress and our citizens uninformed. In short, they display a heart thumping disregard for the people of Detroit. We cannot let this happen!"

If the council rejects the plan again, Oakland County will get funds to renovate a facility, publicly outlined as the Rock Financial Showplace in Novi, to host the show.

"Cobo Hall is the line in the sand," said Lester Little of the grassroots Call Em Out Coalition. "We need to expand Cobo Hall, but we need to vote this deal down. We don't need to regionalize (the facility)."

But some speakers favored the deal, including union representatives who said 7,000 members are dependent on a new deal for Cobo.

Home rule?  Is Detroit Michigan's Ulster?  :unsure:

I'm pretty sure this deal will pass with Shrek Cockrel Jr. back on the council and Monica off it; but I think this article provides an illustrative example of why the council has the members it does.  The city loses money on Cobo Hall every year and has no ability to expand the facility; yet vocal community activists carry on like the state has given them a raw deal.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Ohio should send some of its fine politicians to Michigan and help our brothers out. Youse can have Bob Taft, Sharrod Brown and Rhine McLin.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 16, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Ohio should send some of its fine politicians to Michigan and help our brothers out. Youse can have Bob Taft, Sharrod Brown and Rhine McLin.

Can we have Dennis Kucinich and Jerry Springer too?  They could join Bing and create a Mayoral Dream Team.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2009, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Ohio should send some of its fine politicians to Michigan and help our brothers out. Youse can have Bob Taft, Sharrod Brown and Rhine McLin.

Can we have Dennis Kucinich and Jerry Springer too?  They could join Bing and create a Mayoral Dream Team.

Oh course! We wouldn't deny you our finest minds.

Rhine McLin could be in charge of funny hats.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dayton-unitedway.org%2Fuw%2Bu%2Fimages%2FMayorRhineMcLin.JPG&hash=58f267ccb7c4b11c10dee9aaf72c670c4e0509d9)
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Post by: Valmy on July 16, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
QuoteCity resident Sylvia Williams called it "share cropper" legislation.

Well at least it is not slavery legislation.

Pretty soon they can move on to cheap industrial labor legislation.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 16, 2009, 04:06:36 PM
QuoteMonica Conyers' wrist slap is wrong message
BY STEPHEN HENDERSON • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • July 16, 2009

Someone in the local U.S. Attorney's Office may have some 'splainin to do.


They have it all backward in the ongoing city hall corruption probe.

Here's why.

Based on the indictment handed down Wednesday of political consultant Sam Riddle, it seems prosecutors believe Riddle and former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers were running a pretty robust shakedown operation.

The documents say they hit up a strip club owner for $25,000, extorted $20,000 each from a technology company and a restaurant, and tried to put the arm on a real estate developer.

Riddle's facing a slew of charges related to each of those acts, as well as his involvement with Conyers on the rotten Synagro sludge deal and some other stuff. By statute, he could face a sentence in excess of 100 (yes, one hundred) years.

But Conyers, if you'll remember, copped a plea a few weeks ago to one count of conspiracy in the Synagro deal. And even though she's mentioned about as often as Riddle in his indictment, she isn't being charged for any of the non-Synagro schemes they allegedly hatched. She faces 5 years max in federal prison -- one-twentieth of the time Riddle could get.

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense.

Conyers was the public official involved here, the one who took an oath to serve the public faithfully, and the one who had the power to deliver on any favors she and Riddle concocted to sell.

Small fish faces biggest punishment
At best, in the indictments Riddle appears as a glorified bagman, the go-between who did the face-to-face strong-arming and ferried the cash.

Of course, I understand how deals get made with prosecutors. The U.S. attorney reportedly had been trying to pinch Riddle for some time to get him to cooperate with the investigation. He told them to leap from the Belle Isle bridge.

Conyers obviously cooperated (though it's not clear to what extent) with prosecutors, in exchange for a plea deal.

So they'll try to pound Riddle for his obstinacy. And Conyers will get, by comparison, a wrist slap.

It may often be about who rolls first. But what kind of public message does that send in this case?

Federal prosecutors say this corruption probe is about clearing the crooks out of local government -- in Detroit and other jurisdictions.

"This is a battle against public corruption," thundered Andrew Arena of the FBI, in his best Eliot Ness intonation, when Conyers' plea was announced.

But if the public officeholders get better deals than the private citizens caught up in their shenanigans, it seems the battle has a fuzzy focus. In some ways, the message the feds send here is as important as the results they achieve.

If prosecutors believe, according to Riddle's indictment, that Conyers was at the center of a galling criminal enterprise, her plea deal should have reflected it.

I thought this editorial was interesting.  I thought it was strange that Monica wasn't charged when so much of the charges dealt with her wrong doing.
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Post by: charliebear on July 17, 2009, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Better to disband Detroit...

I wish I had a dollar for every time I said that very thing.  I'd be a wealthy woman by now.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 17, 2009, 03:56:40 PM
Detroit's finest again on the case:

QuotePolice official: Escort for toys left in Jackson's memory is 'unacceptable'
Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Police officials criticized the use of a four-car police escort for two hearses jammed with stuffed animals in memory of Michael Jackson on Friday morning as it headed to Woodlawn Cemetery.

Detroit police officials couldn't say how much the escort cost the city, and Detroit Police 2nd Deputy Chief John Roach criticized the decision to provide it.

"There's no way to defend it," Roach said. "It's unacceptable. Clearly, this is not something that never should have happened."


The escort guided the hearses from the funeral procession through red lights.

Mourners had left the toys and other items at the Motown Museum on West Grand Boulevard since the singer died June 25. He was 50. After sitting outside for three weeks, the toys were not safe to donate to a children's museum or orphanage, museum CEO Audley Smith said.

"We have now concluded that it would be best to bury the items," Smith said Friday morning.

Roach said the decision to provide the escort was not made by senior command staff and is an example of changes that need to be made within the department.

Once at the cemetery, the toys were unloaded from the tops of the hearses and from boxes inside the vehicles. They were then placed into clear plastic bags and then inside donated vaults. The cemetery donated the equivalent of three graves for the vaults.

A donated gravestone detailed the singer's impact on the music industry and the world.

Jackson's songs from more than 40 years of performing played over speakers as a service was held. "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" played as the hearses arrived and "Ben" as the service ended. About 50 people were present, but some were staff from the museum, Cole Funeral Home and the cemetery.

Lisy Henderson could not stifle tears when she looked at the gravestone.

"That is so nice," she said. "I am a devoted fan from back in the Jackson 5 days. He left a mark on my heart."

An exhibit will be established at the museum honoring Jackson and some of the items left in his memory will be put on display as part of it, Smith said.

Timothy Michael Vick of Ferndale was happy for the effort. He brought a photo he took of the singer in 1989 when Jackson visited Detroit with businessman Don Barden. Vick included photos of himself then and now in a frame containing the Jackson photo. The Ferndale man said his wife thinks he is crazy, but Jackson left a mark on his life he cannot forget.

"It just doesn't seem like he is gone," Vick said. "I think I cried more for him than when some family members passed."

Aunna Chamberlain of Detroit called Jackson's passing sad.

"I am 21 years old, and I look at him as a role model," she said. "He shaped the lives of so many."

Chamberlain's 6-year-old brother, Colin, amused the crowd with an array of Jackson's signature dance moves from the "Thriller" music video.

"I know all the songs," Colin said, showing his fancy moves. "Look, 'Thriller.' "

I demand we find a scapegoat for this outrage.  Detroit PD should not rest until they fire innocent officers or city council candidates find a way to blame this on white suburbanites.   :mad:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 08:52:21 AM
Apparently crime does not pay:

QuoteTax debts, money woes hound Detroit council members
Members face trouble, but experts torn on what it means for city
BY M.L. ELRICK • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • July 19, 2009

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Detroit City Council members are paid about $81,000 a year and have free use of a Ford Crown Victoria, but the money and perks don't go very far when you're saddled with liens for more than a quarter-million dollars in back taxes.

Paying off her tax bill had been a challenge for Martha Reeves even before she was elected to City Council in 2005. She is one of several council members who have faced financial difficulty.

The lead singer of Martha Reeves & the Vandellas was slapped with an Internal Revenue Service lien amounting to $69,565 in 2003. Late in 2006, after taking a seat on the City Council, Reeves was hit with another federal tax lien for $193,167. The Michigan Treasurer joined the act in 2008, putting a lien for $7,392 on Reeves. And on May 27, the IRS tacked on another lien for $9,470.

The grand total? Nearly $280,000.

It's not clear how much of that Reeves still owes because neither the IRS nor the state Treasury Department will discuss a taxpayer's situation. When the taxes are paid up, a lien release will be filed.

It's also not clear how much Reeves earns from singing engagements at home and overseas. She did not return calls seeking comment.

More than just Reeves
A Free Press investigation of Detroit's City Council reveals that Reeves is one of five council members who have had trouble at times managing their own budgets.

With the city's $1.6-billion general fund budget facing a deficit as high as $300 million, the council members' own lack of financial savvy raises questions about their ability to help steer the city through these difficult times.

Consider:

• Barbara-Rose Collins, a longtime elected official who has served in Congress and on the Detroit school board, had federal and state tax liens totaling nearly $108,000 placed on her home after she was elected to the council in 2001. She has since paid the back income taxes.

• Alberta Tinsley-Talabi, a 15-year council veteran, has a history of failing to pay all of her taxes on time. While on the council in 2004, she paid $2,800 to a collection agency the city hired to recoup delinquent taxes. Some of Tinsley-Talabi's unpaid taxes dated to 1995. The Wayne County Treasurer initiated forfeiture proceedings on two buildings she owns, but the councilwoman was able to retain them after paying back taxes.

• Monica Conyers, who recently resigned from the council after pleading guilty to a bribery charge, had an east-side home she owns enter forfeiture proceedings in April. Conyers kept the home after paying $465 in back taxes and penalties.

• Kwame Kenyatta, elected in 2005, walked away from his home on Bretton after his family's income dropped and his mortgage increased, resulting in a default.

Council President Ken Cockrel Jr. said he wasn't aware of his colleagues' problems, but said significant financial woes could be a concern for Detroiters.

"I think anybody can relate to having some financial difficulties that cause you to fall behind on certain bills, including a house note or property taxes," Cockrel said.

"When the outstanding debt begins to rise into the tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands, that does become a problem in my view. Because as council members, we're responsible for overseeing a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars.

"I think a valid question for voters to ask is, 'Can we trust certain people to be good stewards of tax money when they're not being good stewards of their own?' "

Experts weigh in
Two experts offer different views on how members' personal financial troubles may affect their ability to work through Detroit's fiscal crisis.

"It's a warning sign that citizens and voters should be at least considering," said Eric Scorsone, a Michigan State University professor of state and local government who runs workshops for newly elected county commissioners.

"While I don't think it's impossible that someone who has financial problems could successfully manage a government ... one does need to have some financial literacy ... and actually government is far more complicated because of the way it's managed," said Scorsone, who has also worked as an economic adviser at the state and local level in Colorado.

Joe Harris, a former city auditor general who served as the city's chief financial officer in late 2008 and early 2009, said he isn't so sure -- despite his past frustration in getting the council to enact financial reforms.

Harris said the council has resisted some of the strong medicine he prescribed to help alleviate the city's budget ills.



"That went over like a lead balloon," he recalled.

But while he questioned the wisdom of a couple of council members, he cautioned against concluding that they were unable to help balance the city's budget because of their individual financial problems.

"Each situation is different. To generalize about a set of people based on different circumstances for each one is probably unfair," Harris said.

Tinsley-Talabi attributed her tax problems to renters who fell behind on their payments. She said she has empathy for people who have trouble making ends meet.

"You probably could find reporters, you probably could find lawyers, you probably could find accountants who've had challenges," she said. "In a perfect world, none of us would have any of those. But we don't live in a perfect world. Does it mean we're human? It sure does."

'I pay my taxes on time'
Collins attributed her tax woes to a misunderstanding over what would happen when she withdrew her 401(k) money. She said the IRS wasn't very sympathetic when she tried to work it out.

She attributed the city's budget problems to the mayor's office, which she said is responsible for drafting the budget. Council members do not have the expertise to do that, though they can rely on their staff for guidance, Collins said, adding that Detroiters are well-served by the council.

"I don't believe in the elitist-type government where you can't elect anybody to serve unless they have a CPA degree," she said, referring to certified public accountants. "I think our founding fathers wanted someone who lives next door to you -- peers. And that's what we" have.

Conyers denied that her east-side property had been forfeited for unpaid taxes, despite a document from the Wayne County Treasurer showing that the property was forfeited on March 1 for unpaid 2007 taxes, and another document showing that Conyers retained the property after paying $465 on June 16.

"It was never forfeited. I pay my taxes on time," she said before refusing to discuss the matter further.

Kenyatta said the circumstances that cost him his home are no different than what many people are experiencing.

He declined to discuss the specific problems of his colleagues, but said those problems, coupled with recent allegations of public corruption -- most notably Conyers' guilty plea to accepting a bribe for her vote supporting a 2007 city sludge-hauling contract -- could affect the public's confidence in the council.

"That could be a concern that maybe because of personal finances people would be more susceptible to taking money under the table," Kenyatta said. "But I think it depends on the individual council person and how they take care of ... the people's trust."

True public servants?
He said the biggest problem council members have had in assessing the city's budget predicament is gaining access to accurate information from city officials who work for the mayor and do not answer to the council.

As for council members' personal financial problems, Kenyatta said it may just be a matter of priorities.

"True public servants," he said, "take care of the people's business quicker than they take care of" themselves.

I hope Detroiters re-elect Monica, the news won't be half as amusing without her.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 09:27:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp2KGMQEk8
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 20, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 08:52:21 AM

"I think a valid question for voters to ask is, 'Can we trust certain people to be good stewards of tax money when they're not being good stewards of their own?' "



Well now that's a pretty valid question to ask I think. Yes, voters should probably contemplate asking themselves that question.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 10:47:39 AM
We're gearing up for another gold medal:

QuoteDetroit murders up, police chief says

Evans vows accurate tally, better police response

Charlie LeDuff and Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Detroit crime numbers, already among the highest in the nation, are expected to balloon this year as a result of dramatically increasing homicides and chronic underreporting of violence in previous years, said Warren C. Evans, the new chief of police.

The growing homicide rate -- already nearly 20 percent higher in 2009 than even revised totals from last year -- and the disturbing revelation that perhaps as many as 20 percent of violent crimes are not logged by the Detroit Police Department are his top priorities, said Evans, who took command two weeks ago.

"It's the Wild West out there," said Evans in an interview with The Detroit News about the city's violent crime problem.

According to Evans, 216 people had been slain in Detroit this year as of Thursday, putting the city on pace for as many as 450 for the year. Over the same period in 2008, there were 181 homicides and 375 for the year, giving Detroit the highest murder rate in the nation.


As a comparison, New York City had suffered 200 homicides through July 1. New York City has nearly 10 times the population of Detroit and 17 times more police officers.

Evans said he has noticed an unacceptable undercounting of violent crimes in a random sampling of police records.

The problem, Evans said, is an overwhelmed force that does not respond in a timely fashion to emergency calls.

"It usually happens at shift change," Evans said. "Guys come in the afternoon, and there is a backlog of 25 runs. If they don't get to those calls and don't write a report, the crime never gets counted. That's got to change. That's going to change."

As a consequence, citizens should expect to see a spike in crime statistics even if actual crime goes down under his stewardship, said Evans.

Undercounting crime is a chronic problem with the department. Earlier this month, the city changed its 2008 homicide tally from 306 to 375 after a Detroit News investigation showed that the Police Department has systematically undercounted murder for years.

"I do agree that homicides are up and crime reporting is down," Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said. "I am buoyed by the fact that the numbers are being examined. It is also my earnest hope that they will also take a long hard look at the (homicide) clearance rate as well."

The Rev. Nicholas Hood III, a former city councilman who called for, but never received, a federal investigation into the city's crime statistics in 2000, called the push for an accurate count of crime "a very healthy development."

"For too long, we've pretended that things are better than they really are," said Hood. "The minute we have a true acknowledgement of the problem is the minute we can take appropriate measures to address the problem."

Evans inherited a department that is underfunded and dispirited. He is the city's third chief of police in less than a year and serves Dave Bing, the city's third mayor in less than a year.

What is more, the department has been under federal monitoring since 2003, after a Justice Department investigation documented violations of civil rights through police brutality, detention of homicide witnesses and unsafe holding cells where many prisoners died. A federal judge Friday blasted the department's lack of compliance as "grossly inadequate" and extended monitoring beyond 2011.

Evans unveiled new policies to the Board of Police Commissioners last week.

One of those policies takes effect today: towing the vehicles of unlicensed drivers in high-crime areas. Evans said that at least 3 in 10 murders are committed during a drive-by shooting.

"Because we don't have the beds to put them in, we can't arrest them," Evans said of unlicensed drivers. "They know it's catch-and-release. They know we're not taking them to jail, and we know we're not. But if you take their car, who wants to walk home through a strange neighborhood in the middle of the night? Make it so they can't drive around causing mayhem. It's low-hanging fruit."

Evans said one of his plans to dampen crime is to get more officers on the streets. He wants the department to contract with the Wayne County Jail to handle prisoners, allowing him to close city jails and partially crawl out from federal supervision.

"It would put 90 officers on the street," Evans said. "That is almost a full precinct's strength."

Evans was the Wayne County sheriff when he ran unsuccessfully against Bing earlier this year for mayor. Weeks later, Bing appointed him as Detroit's chief of police, succeeding James Barren.

IIRC in the worst days of Prohibition and The Purple Gang Detroit had under 50 muders (and about the same population as today.)
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Post by: Valmy on July 20, 2009, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 09:27:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp2KGMQEk8

The best part of that is the comments where the Michganers are all like 'LEAVE DETROIT ALONE!  YOU ARE LUCKY THEY EVEN LEAD THE NATION IN MURDERS FOR YOU BASTARDS!'
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 20, 2009, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 09:27:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp2KGMQEk8

The best part of that is the comments where the Michganers are all like 'LEAVE DETROIT ALONE!  YOU ARE LUCKY THEY EVEN LEAD THE NATION IN MURDERS FOR YOU BASTARDS!'

Best one:

i went there this past weekend and it was pretty much like that LOL

It was also scary being the ONLY white person inside of the mall. Im not a racist person, but I knew that I was not wanted there. I got so many bad looks from people.


:D
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Post by: Neil on July 20, 2009, 10:54:30 AM
That was before Detroit fell to a culture that embraces crime and honour killings.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:53:28 AM


Best one:

i went there this past weekend and it was pretty much like that LOL

It was also scary being the ONLY white person inside of the mall. Im not a racist person, but I knew that I was not wanted there. I got so many bad looks from people.


:D

That's probably just a story.  There are no malls in the city of Detroit.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:53:28 AM


Best one:

i went there this past weekend and it was pretty much like that LOL

It was also scary being the ONLY white person inside of the mall. Im not a racist person, but I knew that I was not wanted there. I got so many bad looks from people.


:D

That's probably just a story.  There are no malls in the city of Detroit.

WHERE WILL YOU PEOPLE GET YOUR CINNABONS AT?

I'll pray for you.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 20, 2009, 10:59:26 AM
What's the murder rate in Baghdad?
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Post by: Neil on July 20, 2009, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 20, 2009, 10:59:26 AM
What's the murder rate in Baghdad?
A lot lower since Siegebreaker left.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:57:35 AM


WHERE WILL YOU PEOPLE GET YOUR CINNABONS AT?

I'll pray for you.

The white devil has stolen all the Cinnabons and keeps them in the suburbs.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 11:04:46 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:57:35 AM


WHERE WILL YOU PEOPLE GET YOUR CINNABONS AT?

I'll pray for you.

The white devil has stolen all the Cinnabons and keeps them in the suburbs.

40 acres and an Orange Julius!
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 20, 2009, 10:59:26 AM
What's the murder rate in Baghdad?

Don't know; but last year more victims of homicide in Detroit than there were US Soldier killed in Iraq.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 09:23:06 AM


four big stuff

:huh:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 09:23:06 AM


four big stuff

:huh:

I don't know that much about the slang of the period, but I would assume "Big stuff Klansmen" were important or ranking klansmen.
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Post by: Neil on July 20, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 15, 2009, 09:23:06 AM


four big stuff

:huh:
Don't you speak English, you filthy Mexican?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 21, 2009, 03:30:08 PM
Even Obama has turned on us  :(

QuoteDetroiters feel the sting that Obama chose Warren instead
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit

This past Saturday, President Barack Obama addressed the Ghanaian parliament, extending America's hand to the African continent while condemning corruption and tyranny.

"No country is going to create wealth if its leaders exploit the economy to enrich themselves," he said.
He could have been talking about Detroit. And when he came to Metro Detroit on Tuesday, Obama conspicuously did not set foot in the city -- the nation's largest black urban center plagued by corruption, illiteracy and crime. Detroit, it seems, is less Ghana and more gangrene in the national political consciousness. And with the presidential snub, Obama appears to have fanned the feelings of hopelessness and isolation in the city.

"We're black and he got our vote quite frankly because many of us voted for him because he is black," said Karsem McCurtis on Tuesday, whose family owns Conner's Food, just a stone's throw from the Wayne County Community College campus on Detroit's east side. As it happened, Obama chose Macomb Community College in Warren to unveil a national education initiative.

"It would have been good for him to come," said McCurtis, whose building is painted with an Obama mural. "But he's got our vote locked up, and he's not going to get much play coming to a black city full of corrupt politicians."

McCurtis makes the obvious point about a city that has become the nation's punch line: Kwame Kilpatrick, Monica Conyers, school officials stealing millions from the children, a murder rate that tops the nation, an illiteracy rate of 50 percent and tens of thousands of crumbling buildings. The list goes on.

The White House said it had no comment as to the reason for the president's fly-by of Detroit on his first trip to the state since his election, except to say that he wishes he could have spent the whole day in Michigan.

"I have to say I'm disappointed," said Jerome Smith, an unemployed machinist from Detroit, who was standing at the bus stop at Macomb Community College as the president's motorcade arrived. "Have you seen him rub shoulders with blacks in this country? On the international stage, yes. South of Eight Mile, no."

The president will address the national convention of the NAACP this Friday. It will be his first speech to a predominately African-American audience since taking office.

Obama won 97 percent of the vote in Detroit, totaling more than 325,000 votes. In Macomb County, he took 53 percent, totaling just less than 224,000. That is a difference of 100,000 votes, but still Detroit was not important enough to visit.

Macomb County -- 90 percent white and 40 percent Catholic -- is the one-time home of the famed Reagan Democrats, the working-class whites who famously flipped for Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, based in part on his appeal to their racial grievances.

Obama has neatly sidestepped the issue of race so far, blaming global trade and greedy CEOs as the cause of the sliding middle class way of life.

It is this large group of white voters that Obama must maintain if he is to push through his ambitious plans for health care reform, renewable energy and perhaps a second stimulus package.

"It's the white swing voter he's after," said Adolph Mongo, the brass-knuckled political consultant based in Detroit. "His people are telling him that Macomb County is the major player in Michigan. He snubbed the largest population of black folks in America. He's making a big mistake. He needs to come to Detroit and reassure people that what he's pushing is going to help everybody."

"It was a huge snub," said L. Brooks Patterson, the Republican Oakland County executive. "Why would he want to get near Detroit considering the awful national publicity over the past few years?"


Detroit Mayor Dave Bing said Obama has an open invitation. "Although he has not visited the city as president, it is important to note Mr. Obama has been working hard with Mayor Bing on behalf of the residents of the city," Bing said in a statement.

In the meantime, Detroit continues to empty out. Paulette Bouyer, the gun-toting church lady who was featured in these pages in January after her west-side home was broken into during broad daylight, is moving to Patterson's Oakland County. "The president can't wave a magic wand and make Detroit all right," Bouyer said. "The people have to demand more than thievery from their politicians. But you wish he would have come here for 10 minutes."

Warren is one of Detroit's largest suburbs and has almost no black population.  In the late 60s Secretary of HUD (and former Michigan Governor) George Romney, denied the city federal housing funds for doing nothing to make public housing available to blacks. 

There really wouldn't have been a good venue for that speech in Detroit; the community college in the city is tiny.  Regardless the punditry gave me a chuckle.   :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on July 22, 2009, 07:21:43 AM
Why would he go out of his way to appeal to black voters?  They voted for him in 2008 simply due to his skin color, and unless the GOP picks a black candidate in 2012 to run against him, they'll all do so again.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Faeelin on July 22, 2009, 08:03:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 22, 2009, 07:21:43 AM
Why would he go out of his way to appeal to black voters?  They voted for him in 2008 simply due to his skin color, and unless the GOP picks a black candidate in 2012 to run against him, they'll all do so again.

I don't think the danger is them voting GOP. The danger is them staying home.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on July 22, 2009, 12:41:35 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 20, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 20, 2009, 10:53:28 AM


Best one:

i went there this past weekend and it was pretty much like that LOL

It was also scary being the ONLY white person inside of the mall. Im not a racist person, but I knew that I was not wanted there. I got so many bad looks from people.


:D

That's probably just a story.  There are no malls in the city of Detroit.

There are no major grocery store chains there, either.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: swallow on July 22, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
Is that a picture of yours, in your avatar, Charliebear?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 22, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Nothing but the best for the D:

QuoteMany City Council candidates have blemished records
David Josar and Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Nineteen candidates running for the Detroit City Council owe a combined $2.4 million in unpaid income and property taxes, nearly one in seven has filed for bankruptcy and 12 have lost homes to the bank, according to court, tax and property records.
The names on the Aug. 4 primary ballot also will include three felons, including one who served 81 months in a federal prison for racketeering related to prostitution and another convicted of second-degree murder.


With 167 candidates, voter advocates say ferreting out those with the best qualifications is difficult.

"One thing it says is that democracy is at work where anyone can run for offices," said Dale Thomson, director of the Institute for Local Government at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, which teamed with Detroit Public TV to put candidate interviews on the Internet and on the air.

"But when you have 167 candidates you can't screen them out. I think everyone is pretty passionate, but I also think you have some folks who are just looking for a job."


The majority of the candidates don't have such blemished backgrounds. The records of those who do, however, raise questions about whether they can oversee Detroit's troubled finances if they couldn't successfully manage their lives. The candidates say their experiences give them unique perspective on the city's problems.

Topping the list of those with financial problems is Donald C. Goodson, who, according to liens on file in Wayne and Oakland counties and Arizona, owes $1.44 million in unpaid income tax and unemployment insurance taxes. Goodson also filed for bankruptcy in 1994.

"I hope people can see that while this may have been caused by poor judgment, I work strongly in the community and with community groups," Goodson said.

On the campaign trail, Goodson has touted his 18-plus years of "law enforcement experience" running a company that provides security guards.

He explained the liens by saying he had a contract with another company, but the contract was not enough for him to cover staff salaries and taxes. He chose to pay his employees.

Personal issues
Some miscues have to do with personal behavior.

Walter James Hart Jr., who ran for a council seat in 2005 and now has a nonprofit business training service dogs, spends his time on the campaign trail talking about redemption, something he says he knows about first-hand.

Hart served 81 months in federal prison in the 1990s after being convicted of transporting a 16-year-old girl to Washington, D.C., to "train her" to be a better prostitute. According to the girl's testimony, whenever she gave Hart the money she earned, "I had to bow down to him, kiss his feet, call him 'oh messiah,' tell him, 'I love you oh daddy.'"

He later pleaded guilty to federal racketeering charges for being part of a Detroit-area group that found young women in strip clubs and forcing them into prostitution.

More recently, in 2006, Hart was found guilty in Oakland County court of a felony charge of failure to pay roughly $130,000 in child support. He remains on probation.

"I believe in giving people a second chance," Hart said. "My campaign is about reform. That's what Detroit needs."

Another candidate, Robert L. Webster, the owner of Buffalo Soldier Transport, owes $53,860 in federal taxes, has lost two homes to foreclosure, owes the city $280 for a blight court violation and in April filed for bankruptcy, according to federal and state records. Webster blamed his woes on poor office management and the sluggish economy. "I've had my accountant take care of it, and I'm trying to get caught up," he said.

Then there is Hilanius Phillips, a now-retired longtime city planner, who has a $127,576 federal tax lien and owes $3,126.75 in city and county taxes. Phillips said he was hit with a debilitating medical condition around 2000 that strained his finances and forced him to tap his IRA to help cover nursing care costs.

"I am working to pay everything back," he said, adding that he is refinancing his home to pay off the debts.

Councilwoman Martha Reeves' struggle to get current on her state and federal income taxes has been common knowledge for years. Her liens currently total $209,966. Councilman Kwame Kenyatta walked away from his Rosedale Park home earlier this year after his mortgage payment was set to accelerate to an unaffordable level. And Councilwoman JoAnn Watson recently entered into a property tax repayment plan after it was disclosed recently that her house was unexplainably reassessed at an artificially low level several years ago. All are seeking to return to the council.

Council members earn $81,312 and get free use of a city car.

Federal, state troubles
Overall, nine candidates owe $2,353,341 in unpaid taxes, according to liens. Among them:

• Matthew Naimi, a midtown entrepreneur and resident who operates Recycle Here. He has embraced urban agriculture and cracking down on illegal dumping in his campaign. He owes $406,977.

Naimi said the revenues from his business, which employs about 15 people, have shrunk, resulting in a struggle to pay income and other taxes.

He said he is working out a deal with the Internal Revenue Service in which the agency will get the proceeds of a piece of land he hopes to sell. "When the price of commodities went down, that really hurt," Naimi said. "But that is what being a small business is about. I know about the challenges and I deal with them."

• Saunteel Jenkins, chief of staff for former Council President Maryann Mahaffey. She faces a lien for $6,180 in unpaid federal taxes, interest and penalties. She said the debt is a result of mistake made by her tax-preparer.

Jenkins had a fellowship with National Institute of Mental Health but forgot to report the value of the program as income. She said she is now making monthly payments on the lien.

"When you pay a friend $15 to do your taxes, this is what happens," Jenkins said.

Property tax problems
Eleven candidates owe a total of $84,910 in back property taxes on their homes. And four have cleared their debts since being contacted Friday by The News. According to the county treasurer, among those still in arrears are:

• Arganae Foster tops this group. She owes $25,517.82 on her home on Fiske. She also sought bankruptcy protection in 1998.

Foster, 39, who owns a property management company, said she recently bought the home in the Berry Subdivision Historic District on a land contract from a friend and didn't realize back taxes were owed. She said she's also contesting the assessment because she thinks it's too high, adding she's ready to pay what's owed once it's resolved.

"It's in dispute," said Foster. "It's not something I wanted to avoid, I just want it to be right."

According to land records, Foster bought the property on July 1, 2008, for $330,000.

• Debra Williams owes just under $14,000 in back taxes to the county from 2006, 2007 and 2008.

The single mother of three underestimated the cost of having an adjustable rate mortgage and fell behind in payments, said her spokeswoman, Brenda Moragne. But she is working setting up a payment plan with the county, Moragne said.

"She has no intention of defaulting or walking away from it," Moragne said. "The fact that she didn't ignore it and is taking care of it speaks to her character."

And the experience may just make her a better councilwoman, Moragne argues.

"Since she's gone through the process, she can be more compassionate to others facing these issues."

In addition to Hart, the lengthy ballot contains two others who have served time in prison.

• John Cromer, who was convicted of retail theft and now works to find people jobs, said he has grown from the experience. "A lot of our local politicians have gotten into office and then gone to prison," Cromer said.

• Raphael Johnson, who served time for second-degree murder as a 17-year-old "misguided youth" and now works as a motivational speaker. "I am running for City Council because I owe Detroit," Johnson said. "I want to be used as an asset to get through to the young people."

Twelve candidates have lost their homes at some point either through a sheriff's sale because they could no longer afford the mortgage or because they had forfeited the home to the county after repeated chances to catch up on back taxes.

• Renita Edmonds had lived in a multi-unit apartment in the 1700 block of East Grand Boulevard but decided to turn it over to the bank after her tenants could no longer afford their rent payments, forcing her finances to crumble. "It's a harsh economy," said Edmonds. "But this city can come back.

• Sigmunt Szczepkowski blames a "bad marriage" on the loss of his home in the 13000 block of Charest. While he was married, he mortgaged the house to get the cash to bring his former spouse's dog and son over from Russia. "It wasn't the best decision ... I just let her have anything in the divorce," he said.

• Clinton Griffin Jr. turned the deed for a home at 226 Arden Park over to the bank in lieu of foreclosure in September 2006 for an unpaid mortgage and other fees that had grown to $363,057. Griffin, who works for the city's planning department, said: "We cried when we had to move out. We expected to stay here until after we retired.

He had owned the home since 1985 when he bought it for $82,500, according to Register of Deeds, and in September 2003, took out a mortgage for $343,000. Griffin began having problems after he lost his city job but was then rehired at a $30,000 per year salary cut.

Griffin said he and his wife tried everything they could -- including trying to sell the house for five years -- before doing what they did.

"We did the right thing. We didn't walk away. We worked it out," said Griffin.

• Yolanda Jack lost a rental property on Webb to foreclosure after she lost a job at Home Depot. Eventually she was hired at the Charles H. Wright Museum of African American History. While she lost her investment property due to her financial problems, she and her husband found a way to keep their residence. "I was like a lot of people and got caught up in a bad economy," said Jack. "I understand the help people in the city need."

Only 18 people will be on the November ballot; and with 167 on the primary ballot I would expect some odd characters.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 22, 2009, 07:40:28 PM
This country needs an enema.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on July 23, 2009, 08:22:59 AM
Quote from: swallow on July 22, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
Is that a picture of yours, in your avatar, Charliebear?

No, it isn't.  I recently saw the movie "Seraphine" and was incredibly moved by it.  It is one of her paintings.  I highly recommend seeing the movie.

To keep on topic, Sav and I saw it at the Detroit Film Theatre, which is adjacent to the Detroit Institute of Arts.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 08:27:05 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 22, 2009, 07:40:28 PM
This country needs an enema.

Or a dictator to clean out the shit.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on July 23, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 08:27:05 AM
Or a dictator to clean out the shit.

:lol: "Heil der Plünger!"

Why does it always end up about shit with you? :P
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 23, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 08:27:05 AM
Or a dictator to clean out the shit.

:lol: "Heil der Plünger!"

Why does it always end up about shit with you? :P

Because I'm in the can a lot.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 23, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
A man with a healthy fiber intake is a happy man.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 23, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
A man with a healthy fiber intake is a happy man.

I eat oatmeal almost every day.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 23, 2009, 01:33:15 PM
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Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 04:27:42 PM
I think I may have found the reason why the police department has been so slow to reform:

QuoteFeds' police monitor quits; 'personal' ties to Kilpatrick are cited
By DAVID ASHENFELTER AND JOE SWICKARD • Free Press Staff Writers • July 24, 2009

Sheryl Robinson Wood, the federal monitor overseeing the Detroit Police Department's efforts to reform, resigned Thursday because of "meetings of a personal nature" with former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

U.S. District Judge Julian Cook issued an order today accepting her resignation.

The order said Wood had "engaged in conduct which was totally inconsistent with the terms and conditions of the two consent judgments in this litigation."

He said she had "engaged in undisclosed communications, as well as meetings of a personal nature, with the former City of Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick during the term of the consent judgments, which included inappropriate discussions with him about this lawsuit."

Cook, who is overseeing the police department's consent decree, said he reviewed documents in secret during a July 22 status conference in the case that prompted him to ask Wood about her ability to remain effective.

After a phone call with Wood, and based on a review of the documents, Cook accepted her resignation effective 5 p.m. Thursday.

The order Cook issued today suspended all court monitoring of the department and ordered the city and the Justice Department to submit names of prospective replacements by July 31.


There was no immediate comment from Wood, the Justice Department or city officials.

The Detroit Police Department has been under federal oversight since 2003 when the city signed two agreements with the Justice Department's civil rights division over questionable shootings of civilians, illegal dragnet arrests and inhumane treatment of prisoners. Most of the changes the police department agreed to have not been fulfilled.

Former Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer requested a federal review of the department after a series of stories in the Free Press.

Wood did not respond this afternoon to messages left at her Baltimore office or on her personal cell phone.

The developments took Kilpatrick's lawyer James Thomas by surprise.

"We have no knowledge or understanding of anything related to Judge Cook's order," Thomas said. "We will review the order. But at this point we don't have enough information to make a meaningful comment."

Deputy Mayor Saul Green, who attended a hearing with Wood a week ago before Cook, did not respond to email request for comment.

At the hearing Cook said the city's progress in correcting police department problems was unacceptable. After six years, the department has fulfilled only 39% of the reforms it had agreed to carry out.

Alejandro Miyar, a Department of Justice spokesman in Washington, said, "We're not commenting on that specific removal."

:lol:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 25, 2009, 08:40:50 AM
A little more information from yesterday's story:

QuotePolice monitor had 'personal' meetings with Kilpatrick

Jim Lynch / The Detroit News

Detroit -- The woman charged with monitoring the Detroit Police Department's adherence to a 2003 agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice has submitted her resignation because of her interactions with former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

Sheryl L. Robinson Wood submitted her resignation to U.S. District Judge Julian Abele Cook Jr. Thursday evening.

Detroit's Police Department has been under federal supervision for six years after a Justice Department investigation found instances of civil rights violations via police brutality, locking up homicide witnesses and keeping unsafe holding cells where prisoners died. An agreement struck between the city and federal investigators called for sweeping changes in the department, and Wood was put in place to ensure they took effect.

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But in a court order finalizing the resignation, Cook wrote that Wood "had engaged in conduct which was totally inconsistent with the terms and conditions of the two consent judgments in this litigation."

Cook's order goes on to detail the nature of that conduct.

"It has now become readily apparent to the court that (Wood) had engaged in undisclosed communications, as well as meetings of a personal nature, with the former City of Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick during the term of the consent judgments, which included inappropriate discussions with him about this lawsuit."

Late Friday, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing's office issued a statement on Wood's resignation. "The revelation about the court-appointed monitor is disappointing, and her resignation is appropriate," the statement reads.

"As instructed by Judge Cook, we will work with the Justice Department in selecting a new monitor, and remain dedicated to fulfilling the requirements of the consent decrees."

Wood could not be reached for comment Friday evening. Cook's order calls for the immediate suspension of monitoring activities in the case.

Deputy Mayor Saul Green -- a former U.S. attorney in Detroit -- is scheduled to brief members of the Detroit City Council on Monday afternoon of the circumstances that led to Wood's departure as monitor.

When reached by phone Friday evening, Green declined to give details on the matter.

Detroit City Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel expressed disgust over the latest development.

"I once said that the Kilpatrick administration was rotten to the core. They clearly have a reeking core," she said Friday.

Cockrel said it raised questions about whether Wood had been improperly influenced when she made determinations about the Police Department's progress under the court's eye.

"Has there been anything compromised in terms of the actual consent decree findings?" she said. " Has any of the substance or any of the required changes -- were they influenced positively or negatively by the relationship?"

William Goodman, an attorney who has sued the city over police misconduct, said he was shocked.

"I have had, personally, some questions on why it was taking so long for the monitor to achieve compliance," said Goodman, who attended the last hearing called by Cook. "I am absolutely stunned.

"It's really very sad. What should have been a very enabling process ... has become a scandal and disgrace."

The city has paid Wood's firm more than $10 million in monitoring fees over the past six years.

Goodman said the city should demand the money be returned by Wood and the private company she works for, Kroll Associates, calling Wood's behavior "unethical and outrageous."

"They have obtained money to engage in an arms-length process and gotten much closer than an arms-length process and have benefited from it," Goodman said.

On July 9, Wood's firm received $187,338 from the city of Detroit for the monthly payment ending June 17.

During a recent court hearing called by Cook, he harshly criticized the Police Department's performance in living up to the terms of its agreement.

"I have called this open session of the court because of my extreme displeasure with the progress that has been made," he said. Cook added that the department had met only 39 percent of its compliance goals.

At that time, Wood reported some progress made by the city, including: witnesses no longer being arrested without court approval, reductions in jailhouse deaths and improved officer training.

So that's two mistresses that have cost the city nineteen million dollars so far. 

More of Kwame's texts are being revealed, so there might be more news of this nature in the near future.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 28, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
QuoteTexts reveal relationship of fed monitor, Kilpatrick

David Josar, David Shepardson and Leonard N. Fleming / The
Detroit News

Detroit --City leaders are exploring whether they can recoup millions of dollars paid to a federal monitor after text messages revealed she rendezvoused with former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick over at least 18 months.

Officials on Monday said they're exploring legal action after the U.S. Justice Department shared text messages with them showing a "personal relationship" between the former mayor and Sheryl Robinson Wood, who resigned last week as the monitor overseeing Detroit police reforms.

The messages between 2003 and 2005 indicate Wood and Kilpatrick met in Washington, D.C., and "several other cities" for meetings unrelated to a consent decree implemented to curb police abuses, said Saul Green, a city executive who oversees public safety. The city paid the monitor at least $10 million through 2006.

"They showed contacts between the monitor and the former mayor that were inappropriate and also an exchange of information related to the litigation," said Green, who declined to say whether the encounters were intimate.

"It was a personal relationship in which they met, in which they went to dinner."

U.S. Attorney Terry Berg said Monday that he couldn't say if the Justice Department would open an investigation into Wood. He declined to discuss the texts or how the department obtained them.

"This is a serious situation," Berg said.

Green also wouldn't say how the feds obtained the messages, but the development could underscore federal interest in Kilpatrick. He resigned last year and served jail time after text messages indicate he lied during a 2007 police whistle-blower trial about his affair with former chief of staff, Christine Beatty. More than 600,000 messages -- many of which have never been released -- were obtained by Wayne County prosecutors.

Since then, Kilpatrick and his father, Bernard Kilpatrick, have been linked to a federal corruption probe into pay-to-play accusations at City Hall.

City Council briefed
Green, the former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, briefed the City Council for about two hours Monday about the messages with the city's corporation counsel, Krystal A. Crittendon. Some members say they are considering legal action to recoup some of the money they have paid to the federal monitor since 2003.

"Every penny," said Councilwoman Barbara-Rose Collins, who missed the meeting with Green. "I think they should both go to jail for this."

She likened Kilpatrick to Superman's archenemy, Lex Luthor, repeatedly causing trouble for Detroit long after he left.

"He's a master criminal," she said. "His intent is devious. That's what it seems like to me Mr. Kilpatrick has done. We need to know where every penny has gone."


Kilpatrick, who now lives in Texas, couldn't be reached for comment. His criminal attorney, James C. Thomas, said he didn't have enough information to comment.

No one answered the door of Wood's downtown Baltimore home Monday evening.

Wood was selected as monitor in June 2003, roughly when the text messages began, above objections from the council, and has gone to court to increase her compensation.

Kilpatrick "moved heaven and earth to get (her) hired," lobbying "heavily for her," said Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel. At the time, Wood worked for Kroll, an international firm that also implemented a consent decree in Los Angeles. The former federal prosecutor left Kroll to form Venable LLP, with offices in Baltimore and Washington, D.C., since then.


Wood has worked for Kroll as an independent monitor, Kroll said in a statement.

The consent decree, signed to end a class-action suit about police brutality and jail conditions, was supposed to last five months. It's expanded to years as the city struggled to implement procedural changes and capital improvements such as new holding cells. Initially, the monitor's fee was $250 an hour, but she successfully lobbied for a 15 percent pay bump to $287.50 an hour.

Her fees were supposed to decline as the city implemented reforms, but after six years, she found the department had met only 73 of 203 provisions of the decree.

As of June, the monitor was paid $180,000 a month by the city.

Green said the city -- which does not have the text messages -- is now reviewing thousands of pages of billing records and invoices to determine what impact the relationship may have had on the city's progress.

By Friday, the Justice Department and city of Detroit plan to have an interim monitor in place for 30 days. By the end of the month, the two sides hope to agree on a monitor. If they can't, they will each submit a name. The city will accept proposals outlining the costs of monitoring.

Public hearings vowed
Councilwoman Alberta Tinsley-Talabi and several other council members vowed public hearings on the latest scandal.

"There's going to be a thorough investigation of this," Tinsley-Talabi said.

Calls to Wood's offices weren't returned.

Larry Dubin, a University of Detroit-Mercy law professor, said Wood could face legal disciplinary action or criminal charges, which may lead to the city recouping some of the fees.

"It's fair to assume there was a serious inappropriate part of her relationship with Kilpatrick," he said.

The latest scandal began to percolate last Friday when U.S. District Judge Julian Abele Cook, who oversees the consent decree with the U.S. Justice Department, announced that Wood resigned after being confronted with documents that showed she had "meetings of a personal nature" with Kilpatrick. Reaction from the Detroit community was one of muted surprise, given the other revelations regarding Kilpatrick over the past several years.

"Nothing shocks me anymore about this whole text message case; this is just another person who's wrapped up in it," said former Detroit Police Deputy Chief Gary Brown, who won a whistle-blower lawsuit against Kilpatrick that eventually led to the release of the text messages. "It's a shame this saga doesn't seem to end.

"When the mayor has the kind of power that he had, and was acting in such an unethical way, you can have all the checks and balances in the world and it won't stop that type of behavior."

Political consultant Adolph Mongo, once one of Kilpatrick's biggest defenders, said he's baffled about the mayor continuing to "let a lot of people down."

"It's set the city back another decade," he said. "It's going to take a long time to dig us out of this mess."

I'm going to miss Barbara-Rose Collins.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on July 29, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
From the Detroit City Hall Insider of the Detroit News:

QuoteMore woes for council candidate Walter James Hart Jr.
Earlier this week, we told you about the many legal woes of Detroit City Council candidate Walter James Hart Jr. We won't rehash them all here, but let's just say it involved underage girls, prostitution and 81 months in a federal prison.

If he does win - and anything is possible in Detroit politics - there is one perk of office he won't be able to use: the use of a city-owned vehicle.

According to Secretary of State records, Hart's license has been suspended since April 6, 2003, due to a "financial responsibility judgment" in Oakland County Circuit Court.

According to court record for a case filed in 2002, he has a $33,401 judgment stemming from when he had an employee operate his uninsured motor vehicle, which was then involved in an accident.

:rolleyes:

Because no one in the city of Detroit drives on a suspended license.   
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Post by: Savonarola on July 31, 2009, 07:29:48 AM
Anyone need a laptop?

QuoteConyers quiet on missing office equipment
She didn't respond to letter; attorney denies wrongdoing
BY NAOMI R. PATTON and BEN SCHMITT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • July 31, 2009

Just days before Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Monica Conyers announced her resignation after pleading guilty to a bribery charge, she apparently had two new computers delivered to her office.

And now, city officials say those computers and dozens of other items are missing, and they want them back.

As of Thursday, the laptops and more than $20,000 in additional office equipment — including desktop computers, video cameras and software — remain unaccounted for, according to city officials.

Council President Ken Cockrel Jr. is threatening Conyers with police action if the 29 items discovered missing from her council offices are not returned. He said two laptops were delivered 17 days before she resigned.

Asked whether he has any concerns that Cockrel's allegations could affect her sentencing, Steve Fishman, Conyers' defense attorney, said: "None."

Conyers, facing up to 5 years in prison, is out of town. "She can be wherever she wants to be with permission of the court," he said.

Cockrel Jr. spent Thursday morning hand-delivering a memo to his council colleagues that details the city-owned office equipment missing from Conyers' office.

But it was more than a week ago, on July 23, that Cockrel sent a letter to Conyers, informing her that 29 items, valued at $21,300, were missing from her council offices. He asked her to contact him by Monday to arrange the return of the items.

"If I do not hear from you, the items will be deemed stolen property and I will forward this documentation to the Detroit Police Department and the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office," he wrote.

He received no response.

On Thursday, Conyers' criminal attorney in her federal case, Steve Fishman, denied any wrongdoing by his client.

"Monica Conyers did not take any property belonging to the City of Detroit, nor did she authorize anyone else to do so," Fishman said.

According to a memo sent by Cockrel to the council, Fishman will send Cockrel a written response to his allegations.

Among the missing items were: a MacBook Pro laptop and desktop computers; printers; a camcorder; two digital cameras; digital memory cards; software, and several carrying cases for the laptops and the cameras.

Cockrel attached a full inventory of the missing items to the memo sent to council members.

The inventory was conducted after Cockrel's staff was alerted that computer equipment from Conyers' office was taken from the building June 30, the day Conyers resigned.

In the memo, Cockrel also said some of the laptops were purchased in 2006 and 2008, and that "equipment loss may have taken place over a period of years."

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, said her office has not received any communication from Cockrel's office regarding the reported missing items.

Detroit police spokesman John Roach said the department has not received a complaint regarding the matter.

Conyers, wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, a Democrat from Detroit, pleaded guilty last month to a federal bribery charge. She has not yet been sentenced by U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn.

U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg, whose office is prosecuting Conyers in the federal case, said Thursday he was not aware of Cockrel's allegations.

Fishman said Conyers is not in Detroit. Gina Balaya, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said Conyers does not have any travel restrictions as part of her $10,000 personal bond.

In the weeks since her resignation, former Conyers aide Sam Riddle has been indicted on federal bribery charges, implicating Conyers.

Federal prosecutors allege Riddle and Conyers extorted bribes from people or companies seeking city business, including: $20,000 from a Detroit restaurateur with business before the council and $25,000 from a strip-club owner who wanted the council to approve a license change.

MacBook Pro laptop, for the discriminating career criminal.
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Post by: charliebear on July 31, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
 :lmfao:

Oh for goodness sakes....what's next?
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 31, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
You Detroit thing disgusts me.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 31, 2009, 09:04:51 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 31, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
You Detroit thing disgusts me.

OCP will fix everything.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 31, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
They'll need to fix the Detroit suburb of Ecorse as well:

QuoteScandal hounds Ecorse voters
Jim Lynch / The Detroit News
Ecorse -- After years of frustration with perceived governmental mismanagement in her beloved Ecorse, Tanagra Andring has been looking for a way to adequately show her displeasure -- and she thinks she's found it.

"Us little people here are struggling to pay our taxes," said the 70-year-old retiree who has vowed to wait until the latest due date in November to pay her taxes and is urging fellow seniors to join her. "... So I'm not giving this current administration any more money to spend for as long as I can."

That kind of dissent has become more common, according to some residents of the struggling city of 10,425. Ecorse has become a magnet for controversy in the last decade, with each year seemingly bringing a new batch of investigations, disputes and political infighting. Officials are routinely charged with wrongdoing, their decisions lead to lawsuits and the city is forced to pay out money that it doesn't have.

And less than a week before Tuesday's election, there is a strong likelihood of little-to-no leadership changes. Four of the five current council members are seeking re-election. The mayor's race features incumbent Herbert Worthy, who has faced all manner of allegations, as well as his predecessor, Larry Salisbury, who left office with Ecorse $5 million in debt.

Voters also have to contend with an ongoing FBI investigation into the hiring and operation of the private company, Michigan Municipal Services, which replaced the city's public works department in November 2007. The company, hired to handle Ecorse's trash pickup, water system maintenance and snow removal, has allegedly overcharged for its work and provided kickbacks to more than one city official.

To make matters worse, the city faces the possibility of once again having its day-to-day financial responsibilities turned over to an emergency manager, who would be appointed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm. In 1986, Ecorse became the first Michigan city to be placed in receivership -- a shadow it remained under for four years.

Ecorse's troubles
Ecorse, which sits a few miles southwest of scandal-plagued Detroit, has been able to carve out a troubled identity all its own. Here's a sampling of the action residents have seen in the last seven years:

• In December 2002, Mayor James DiTripani was ousted by city council after a month in which both sides tried to lock the other out of the mayor's office.

• In 2003, the Michigan Court of Appeals removed Sharon McPhail as city attorney, citing a conflict of interest with her position as a member of the Detroit City Council.

• In January 2004, three Ecorse council members pleaded guilty to election fraud for tampering with absentee ballots.

• In September 2004, Theresa Peguese was removed from her council seat for conflicts of interest related to work her construction company was doing for the city, as well as a $10,000 debt to the city. The courts eventually reinstated her.

• In June 2006, former Fire Chief Ronald Lammers won a $600,000 jury-settlement after he charged Ecorse officials for firing him without cause.

• In June 2007, former Police Chief Robert Shaw won a $1.9 million jury-settlement on allegations of age discrimination when the city council fired him three years earlier.

• In December 2008, former Ecorse Public Schools Superintendent Douglas Benit and his wife pleaded guilty in a $7.3 million mail and bank fraud scheme.

• In April 2009, the city agreed to pay $15,000 and provide sexual discrimination prevention training to its workers after two women complained of harassment from a supervisor in an agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice.


Suzie Baker, 45, has been an Ecorse resident for the past 15 years. Almost every year of her stay has included an investigation or dust-up in city government. This year, she's haggled with the city over its failure to provide residents with timely public works services like garbage pickup.

"Since I've been here, it's just been one scandal after another," she said.

For Kevin Bailey, that same dissatisfaction has led him to put his money where his mouth is and run for office.

"It seems to be open season here in Ecorse," said Bailey, who is campaigning to fill the seat he was temporarily appointed to earlier this year. "People just think we have a revolving door here for people to come in, get what they can get, and get out."

Scheme or a bad deal?
Ecorse's relationship with Michigan Municipal Services, MMS, is either a blatant kickback scheme, according to the FBI, or just a partnership that went awry for the city, Mayor Herbert Worthy said.

Worthy brought in MMS on an emergency basis in November 2007 to replace more than 60 public works employees he had let go.

The company got the job even though it was formed just days after Worthy's election that month. Company officials contributed to Worthy's mayoral campaign. Relatives and friends of several Ecorse elected officials wound up on the MMS payroll. And, according to the FBI, the company charged far more than it should have for the work performed.

In one instance, according to court records, MMS overbilled Ecorse by more than $88,000 in a two-week period. Since November 2007, the city has been overcharged by more than $2.5 million. Investigators allege city officials took cash payments of $1,500 to $10,000 from MMS, but so far no charges have been filed.

Ecorse wound up in court with MMS in January after unsuccessfully trying to terminate its contract with the company. Now, the city has been sued by MMS officials for $80,000 in back pay.

Worthy said the public perception of the deal is off-base. MMS, he said, actually saved the city money by operating more cheaply than their predecessors. It was only in certain areas, he said, that the company has overcharged the city.

"We were still spending less on public works (with MMS) than we did with the previous company," Worthy said. "In a year and a half, we spent a few hundred thousand dollars less than we had (under the previous arrangement). It's the past administration's people who are voicing these incorrect opinions on what's being spent by the city."

But the FBI alleged in court documents that in one two-week period in March, MMS overcharged Ecorse for water and sewer work by $88,000.

Chuck Smith performed the water and sewer maintenance duties for Ecorse for 10 years as the head of Harrison Township-based CPI Contracting and said he never charged the city more than $200,000 in a given year.

For his part, Worthy said he has not taken any inappropriate money, vehicles or gifts from MMS.

And despite facing constant questioning from the public and the media, he is confident about his chances on Aug. 4.

"I'm quite sure I'll win," he said. "In the end, the strong survive."

Sharon McPhail went on to become one of Kwame's lawyers during his text message scandal.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 31, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
Wow. Detroitism is contagious.


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Post by: Scipio on August 01, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
The tail keeps wagging the dog.  I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 01, 2009, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 04:27:42 PM
I think I may have found the reason why the police department has been so slow to reform:

Oh yeah, when the story broke, I thought of you.  Sharing our Bantumore dazzling urbanites is caring.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 03, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
Dancing in the Streets while Detroit burns:

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/07/is_martha_reeves_and_the_vande.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/07/is_martha_reeves_and_the_vande.html)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.mlive.com%2Fnews%2Fdetroit_impact%2F2009%2F07%2Flarge_martha-reeves-campaign-flyer.jpg&hash=5e6fb8c95dfa67318a432ee1d40e8a070291e540)

QuoteMartha Reeves' new Detroit City Council re-election campaign flier includes several inconsistencies and errors, including a claim that she's a member of the Detroit Lions.

Reeves included the copyrighted Lions logo under the header "member of," apparently mistaking it for the logo of the Lions Club, an international service group with a chapter in Detroit.

"Should I have gotten persmission," Reeves asked a Local 4 reporter seeking comment on the Lions logo. "I don't know. It was on the internet and I put it on there."

Lions spokesman Bill Keenist told Local 4 he was sure it was an innocent mistake, but that the organization will work to get it corrected.

Other known errors or irregularities:

• Are the Vandellas running too? The front of the flyer reads "Re-Elect Martha Rose-Reeves & The Vandella's." Nolan Finley of the Detroit News today humorously called it a shrewd move:

DetNews, July 23: Voters may actually believe they're not just getting the worn-out diva, but also her back-up singers. They may consider that a bargain; the Vandellas could take turns sitting in Reeves' chair on those many mornings when she fails to show up for council meetings. On the other hand, if they have the same appetite for free spending as their boss, the city couldn't afford the extra expense account load.

• Dancing in the street's: The Vandellas, the Motown group Reeves joined in the 60's, doesn't have an apostrophe in its name.

• A rose by two different names: Reeves inexplicably began using her middle name, but manages to call herself Martha Rose-Reeves on the front of the flier and Martha-Rose Reeves on the back. "Barbara-Rose Collins sort of exposed me when we were given an award," Reeves told Local 4. "A roses award."

• History not on her side The Detroit Historical Society, whose logo also appears on the flier, told Fox 2 that Reeves is not a member.

• A day at the zoo The Detroit Zoological Society told Local 4 the flier features an improper use of their logo.

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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 03, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
She could play nose tackle.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 03, 2009, 04:59:47 PM
Martha Reeves on Detroit's local news program, Flashpoint:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/20168396/index.html (http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/20168396/index.html)

She's the first guest starting at 2:30 and goes until 14:15.  The reactions from the interviewer alone are priceless.  Martha's logic has a wonderful sort of shining lunacy.  You really can't follow it, instead you should just let it wash over you like a wave upon the beach.
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Post by: Ed Anger on August 03, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
QuoteThe Michigan Sports Hall of Fame is $150,000 in debt, even thought it has no employees and doesn't pay rent. Now they want to sell the plaques to raise money, which sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

The Hall of Fame is literally just a hallway in the back of Cobo Center, a place that most Michiganders avoid like Fort Wayne. (The only thing useful that ever happens there is the Detroit Auto Show.) Because there is no building and (obviously) no money coming in, the directors must have mistakenly believed that did not have to file taxes for the last three years, so now they're under investigation by the state Attorney General's office. Four board members, including the Chairman, resigned last week as a result. So now, their genius idea to escape financial ruin is to sell the bronze plaques that honor the state's greatest sports legends.

Of course, if you sell the bronze plaques then you don't really have a Hall of Fame, do you? You just have a hallway. Then again, that's more than most business in the state of Michigan can say these days. That poor, poor state.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 03, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 03, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
QuoteThe Michigan Sports Hall of Fame is $150,000 in debt, even thought it has no employees and doesn't pay rent. Now they want to sell the plaques to raise money, which sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

The Hall of Fame is literally just a hallway in the back of Cobo Center, a place that most Michiganders avoid like Fort Wayne. (The only thing useful that ever happens there is the Detroit Auto Show.) Because there is no building and (obviously) no money coming in, the directors must have mistakenly believed that did not have to file taxes for the last three years, so now they're under investigation by the state Attorney General's office. Four board members, including the Chairman, resigned last week as a result. So now, their genius idea to escape financial ruin is to sell the bronze plaques that honor the state's greatest sports legends.

Of course, if you sell the bronze plaques then you don't really have a Hall of Fame, do you? You just have a hallway. Then again, that's more than most business in the state of Michigan can say these days. That poor, poor state.

It's okay, we still have the Jewish Sports Hall of Fame.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Hell, I'd still vote for Martha anyway.
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Post by: Neil on August 03, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Hell, I'd still vote for Martha anyway.
Of course you would.  Adolf Hitler could run with a (D) next to his name, and you'd cream your panties to vote for him.  And voting for black people soothes your wimpy sensibilities.

Pussy.
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Post by: Ed Anger on August 03, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
I'd vote for Hitler if he'd clean up the confedertards.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2009, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 03, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 03, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Hell, I'd still vote for Martha anyway.
Of course you would.  Adolf Hitler could run with a (D) next to his name, and you'd cream your panties to vote for him.  And voting for black people soothes your wimpy sensibilities.

Pussy.

Actually, I'd only vote for Adolf if he used to sing with the Vandellas.

Motown > Germany
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
Years from now people will look at Detroit and know that 2009, Detroit, was the tipping point in America's decline.
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Post by: Neil on August 03, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
Years from now people will look at Detroit and know that 2009, Detroit, was the tipping point in America's decline.
Actually, I wonder when future generations will say that America started to decline.  My guess is that it'll be sometime in the mid-60s.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 03, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
Years from now people will look at Detroit and know that 2009, Detroit, was the tipping point in America's decline.
Actually, I wonder when future generations will say that America started to decline.  My guess is that it'll be sometime in the mid-60s.
There can be no question that the Baby Boomer generation is responsible for most of the nation's ills.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they cause most problems - including Detroit.  But it wasn't until some of our proudest cities became hellish banana republics in miniature. 
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Post by: charliebear on August 04, 2009, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
There can be no question that the Baby Boomer generation is responsible for most of the nation's ills.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they cause most problems - including Detroit.  But it wasn't until some of our proudest cities became hellish banana republics in miniature.

No.  Detroit was stumbling during the 1940's and 50's.  Boomers were barely born.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on August 04, 2009, 11:29:01 AM
Quote from: charliebear on August 04, 2009, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
There can be no question that the Baby Boomer generation is responsible for most of the nation's ills.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they cause most problems - including Detroit.  But it wasn't until some of our proudest cities became hellish banana republics in miniature.

No.  Detroit was stumbling during the 1940's and 50's.  Boomers were barely born.
Nope. Never happened.
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Post by: Caliga on August 04, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 03, 2009, 09:04:26 PMActually, I wonder when future generations will say that America started to decline.  My guess is that it'll be sometime in the mid-60s.
They will probably say the decline began with the Nixon administration.
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Post by: charliebear on August 05, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
What's this I hear about Martha-Rose-Reeves not making the cut after the Primary Elections?  So sad.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 05, 2009, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: charliebear on August 05, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
What's this I hear about Martha-Rose-Reeves not making the cut after the Primary Elections?  So sad.


Really? That's too bad. Hopefully she was defeated by someone else with high entertainment value.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 05, 2009, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: charliebear on August 05, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
What's this I hear about Martha-Rose-Reeves not making the cut after the Primary Elections?  So sad.

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving councilwoman:

QuoteRequiem for a Motown diva
Martha Reeves' gig as a Detroit councilwoman comes to an end
BY BILL MCGRAW • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • August 5, 2009

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It was late Tuesday evening. The Diva had just left the building.

A few staffers stood outside the tiny headquarters of City Councilwoman Martha Reeves, on a gritty downtown Detroit street. They talked about city hall corruption and how the media had jobbed their boss. Nearby, Detroit cops pulled over in a scout car and questioned two young men. One was eating popcorn.

Inside the office, the atmosphere was even grimmer.

Food leftovers sat on a table. A few of Reeves' amateurish campaign ads — "Re-Elect MARTHA REEVES, The Vandella" — remained behind.

Reeves scored 0.83% of the vote and failed to finish among the 18 candidates who will run in November for nine council positions, jobs that include an $81,000 salary, a Ford Crown Victoria, several staff members and a budget of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"I feel great," she said in a phone conversation later.

She didn't sound great.

Asked to comment about the end of her political career, she said: "Why should I?"


She was reminded she is a star.

She is a legendary Motown vocalist, perhaps the second most famous female singer after Diana Ross. She was a Detroit success story, a kid of modest means. She was born in Alabama and came north with her family as a baby as her parents sought jobs and what passed for freedom for African Americans in the World War II era.

She had a strapping voice, and her hits included "Jimmy Mack," "(Love is Like A) Heat Wave," "Dancing in the Street," "Come and Get these Memories" and "Nowhere to Run."

When she took office in January 2006, it was international news in a way no Detroit City Council members ever make news. She was interviewed on CNN and NBC's "Saturday Today" show, profiled in the New York Times and Rolling Stone and featured as the half-time performer during a Pistons game.

A few weeks later, when Super Bowl XL came to town, the BBC, "Dateline NBC" and "Nightline" — among others — came calling.

Reeves at that time admitted she had run for office only when her music gigs began to lag. Ironically, the new political job energized her singing career.

But when it came to public policy, something about Reeves never seemed to click.

Nobody minded that she had her office painted bright purple.

But early on, she raised eyebrows when she suggested that council members should get free tickets to events or activities that require their approval, such as the Super Bowl, and when she introduced a resolution to rename West Grand Boulevard after Berry Gordy Jr., the Motown label founder who moved his music business to Los Angeles in the early 1970s and has rarely returned.

Last year, three weeks after workers began tearing down the famous ballpark at Michigan and Trumbull, Reeves asked: "Has the demolition of Tiger Stadium already begun?" Last summer, when the Synagro sludge-hauling scandal broke, she seemed confused at times.

Perhaps the final blow to her political career came in June, when she spent a week touring Britain with a Motown revue when the council was consumed with the Cobo Hall mess and the criminal charges against City Councilwoman Monica Conyers.

In London, Reeves told the BBC that being a councilwoman is "a second job I have." When she came home, she refused to say which job — music or public service — came first.


With Reeves' demise, Detroiters appeared to have second thoughts about their choice four years ago of a celebrity singer, though they made another celebrity neophyte — Charles Pugh — the No. 1 council vote-getter Tuesday. Pugh, at least, has spent years dealing with public issues as a TV newsman, and he is intriguing because he would be the first openly gay person in history to hold public office in Detroit.

It was Wednesday morning when Reeves talked on the phone. She sounded tired. She insisted she was not hurt about being rejected so decisively by Detroit voters.

She said she would be at work today. Then she corrected herself, saying the council is on recess. Actually, she is scheduled to be in Chicago today for a singing engagement, according to her staff.

Calling the council job "another phase in my life," she said, "now I'm ready to go on with the next phase of my life."

And that is?

"To continue living," said Reeves, who is 68.

"I'm not going to die. I'm not going to jump off a cliff. I will survive."

Then she said, "Thank you."
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Post by: Savonarola on August 05, 2009, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 05, 2009, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: charliebear on August 05, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
What's this I hear about Martha-Rose-Reeves not making the cut after the Primary Elections?  So sad.


Really? That's too bad. Hopefully she was defeated by someone else with high entertainment value.

All Detroit's council members are elected at large, and yesterday was only the primary so we don't know the make up of the next council yet; just that Reeves won't be on the ballot.

The next council probably won't be so entertaining.  With Reeves gone we've lost the three worst council members (Barbara-Rose Collins and Monica Conyers are the other two for those of you playing along at home.)
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Post by: Savonarola on August 05, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Of course in Detroit ever silver lining has a cloud:

QuoteAudits of Detroit Public Schools reveal unused BlackBerry devices, motorcycles
BY NIRAJ WARIKOO • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • August 5, 2009

A couple of audits of Detroit Public Schools uncovered rampant financial waste, Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb announced today.

One audit of health-care workers revealed that there were 411 people, some of them deceased, who were on the payrolls even though they were not eligible, the district said. Removing the 411 people will save about $2.1 million, according to the district.

Another audit of the district's Office of Public Safety uncovered wasted equipment that was not being used –- including 160 BlackBerry phones, 97 two-way phones, 1,872 master locks, 132 safety kits, 50 handheld radios, and 13 printers. Eleven motorcycles were not being used.

"It's now time to bring all of this BS to a standstill," Bobb said at a news conference today. "This school system cannot be viewed as a personal bank."

On display at the news conference were two of the unused motorcycles as well as several boxes of the unused equipment.

Overtime and work attendance were other abuses. In 2007-2009, overtime costs were $790,604, which was $740,604 over the $50,000 budgeted for overtime, according to a news release from the district. On average, security and police officers worked one month less than the minimum number of days required.

Bobb said the public safety abuses happened before the current leadership in the Office of Public Safety.

Bobb said he heard stories in recent weeks about school officials and others trying to sell school supplies for personal profit. The two-year audit also showed there was little, if any, inventory of weapons and police vehicles.

"It's sad," Bobb said. "The pettiness is just unreal."

"I don't have any more patience," Bobb added. "The kids deserve a lot better."
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Post by: Savonarola on August 06, 2009, 10:04:02 AM
Another travel with Charlie:

QuoteUnclaimed dead stack up in Wayne County morgue
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Poor Grandpa.

His corpse lies at the bottom of a pile of other bodies unclaimed at the Wayne County morgue. But Grandpa -- whose name has been withheld to avoid embarrassing his family -- is a special case. He has been in the cooler for the past two years as his kinfolk -- too broke to bury him -- wait for a ship to come in.

"There is destitution," says Dr. Carl J. Schmidt, the chief medical examiner of this, the nation's poorest big city. "But when you're so destitute that nobody has claimed you, that's a whole different level of being destitute."

Peering into the small glass window of the cooler door, Schmidt counts 52 unclaimed bodies stacked like cordwood -- in some cases four to a shelf; always two to a gurney.

Generally, the economic well-being of a municipality is measured by unemployment rates and quarterly earnings reports. But Schmidt's cooler may say as much about metropolitan Detroit's financial health as any statistics released by the Federal Reserve.

"It really is a sign of how bad things have gotten," says Schmidt, 52, a 16-year veteran of the Detroit death scene. "Some people really have to make a choice of putting food on the table or burying their loved ones. It is very sad really. In all of my years here, I have never seen it this bad."

As a comparison, the doctor said that just a few years ago, when credit was easy and SUVs were a must-have, he would typically have no more than 10 unclaimed bodies at any one time.

But nowadays, people are using his cooler like a no-charge cold storage facility, he says. Corpses linger longer and longer as family members wait for a paycheck, a tax return, the lottery or a lawsuit to get the money needed to give their dead a proper burial. And thus, Grandpa lingers. Some of the dead have been signed over to the county by people either unable or unwilling to pay for the burial.

The dead who have been signed away by their families find themselves bound in bureaucratic red tape. They await a $700 check from the state Department of Human Services, which, because of its own budgetary constraints, last year slashed the burial grant from $900.

Once the state money is received, Wayne County will kick in another $250 and the remains will be contracted out to a funeral home that will place them in a pauper's grave. Cremation is never a consideration, says Schmidt, as state law prohibits it.

The process takes about two months, and by that time, another 15 to 20 corpses will have taken their places in the cooler. Schmidt may handle as many 200 indigent cases this year.

There are an additional 20 bodies in the cooler waiting for investigators to locate a next of kin. Another two bodies have yet to be identified, including a femur that has been there for several years.

Living on the margins
Any way you slice it, says Schmidt, the cramped cooler is a repository of the human condition. "How society treats its dead says volumes about the way society lives," he says. "Civilization requires intrinsically that we bury the dead. It distinguishes us from the rest of the animal kingdom."

About 4,000 people died last year in Wayne County, with 2,500 requiring an autopsy. According to Schmidt, perhaps 15 percent of those were murdered. Another 20 percent died as a result of accidents, even drug overdose, and another 10 percent committed suicide. The remaining 55 percent died of natural causes.

It is this "natural cause" type of death that appears to be on the rise due to the bad economic times.

"There are some people living on the margins who simply can't afford their medication anymore," he says. "Diabetes and what have you. And sadly, these types of deaths are preventable."

Rarely will you find that children go unclaimed. "There is still a social connection to children," the doctor says. And rarely will a person of Jewish or Muslim descent have to wait. Religious law requires that they be buried within the day.

Being nice matters
Schmidt is a sort of Descartes to the deceased -- a detective of death who washes away the daily stress of his job by solving complex mathematical puzzles by lamplight. He continues to perform autopsies -- about one a day -- and has conducted more than 5,000 in his career. He believes in the concept of a soul and enjoys reading the existential philosophers Kierkegaard, Camus and Sartre, whose writings he boils down to this: You are really the consequence of your own actions.

"The essence of the dilemma is this: If you are nicer to people, your chances of ending up here are greatly reduced," he says during a midafternoon tour of the circular facility in midtown Detroit.

The morgue features seven dissection stations, an anteroom stuffed with jars of flesh samples, lighting the color of flypaper, a sickly stench of death that is something of a mix of cherry and ammonia and, of course, the metallic cooler.

Not everyone in the cooler is there because his family is poor. Rather, some have arrived because they treated their family poorly, the doctor explains. Consider the son of a dead man who said of his father: "I didn't like him when he was alive, why would I help him now?" Or consider the case of the man whose two wives first met over his dead body. Finding that they had little in common except for the cadaver, they left him.

"If you do end up here," Dr. Schmidt advises, "your chances of getting out of here are greatly increased the nicer you were to people when you were alive."

I liked that last little story.  :)


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Post by: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:31:04 PM
Can't they just donate the bodies to those crazy Ashogi dudes in India who like to feast on corpses and think they can heal the sick?
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Post by: Savonarola on August 06, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:31:04 PM
Can't they just donate the bodies to those crazy Ashogi dudes in India who like to feast on corpses and think they can heal the sick?

We should bring the Ashogi here and sell them the corpses.  That would solve the storage problem, balance the city budget and solve the health care crisis all at once.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 06, 2009, 01:29:59 PM
Slammertime!

QuoteSouthfield declares Lattimore council seat vacant after guilty plea
Paul Egan and Delores Flynn / The Detroit News
Detroit -- An attorney for the city of Southfield issued a statement today declaring Councilman William Lattimore's seat vacant, minutes after Lattimore pleaded guilty in federal court to a bribery charge.

Lattimore, 55, admitted to accepting a $7,500 bribe in August 2007 to help get municipal approvals for a pawn shop to relocate. He faces up to 30 months in prison when he is sentenced Jan. 28 by U.S. District Judge Marianne O. Battani.

Lattimore said a pawn shop, Zeidman's Jewelry and Loan, hired political consultant Sam Riddle to assist in getting approvals for the shop to relocate from one Southfield location to another.

"Riddle and (former state Rep.) Mary Waters paid $7,500 to me," Lattimore told Battani in court today. "I accepted the payment intending to be rewarded for my assistance as a councilor in getting the proper approval."

Riddle and Waters also have been charged in the case, accused of conspiring together to funnel the money to Lattimore from Zeidman's.

Outside court, Lattimore's attorney, Arlene Woods, did not give a direct answer when asked if Lattimore plans to resign his seat.

"I don't know how that works with the City Council," Woods said. "It's going to play out the way the city charter allows."

Southfield City Attorney John Beras issued a statement saying that under the charter, Lattimore's seat is now vacant. Because he has been convicted of a felony, "he is no longer a Southfield city councilman," Beras said.

Southfield City Council President Don Fracassi has called the charge "an embarrassment" to the city.

"I'm glad it's all over for the city's sake," Fracassi said Thursday. "Now we can get on with the business of Southfield and not have to deal with this issue."

Bribery is a 10-year felony, but under Lattimore's plea agreement, in which he has agreed to cooperate in the case against Riddle and Waters, he faces 24-30 months in prison.

Documents filed in Riddle's case say Riddle asked Lattimore for "a letter of support or something" for the store relocation, which Lattimore wrote. Those documents say Lattimore may have been paid as much as $12,500.

Lattimore remained seated in the courtroom for several minutes following his guilty plea, blotting his face and eyes before facing the media with his lawyer. Woods said Lattimore's been an exemplary public servant for 20 years.

Lattimore's term had been set to expire Nov. 1. Now that the seat has been declared vacant, the city has 60 days to decide whether to fill the vacancy, keep the seat empty, or hold a special election.

Riddle, who also faces multiple extortion-related accounts in connection with his work as a top aide to former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, had his cell phone tapped by the FBI for more than a year in connection with the City Hall investigation. Those phone intercepts apparently led investigators to the Southfield case.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 08:26:37 AM
From the FREEP:

QuoteWhat killed Detroit?
August 6, 2009

I came across the piece below this week at NewMajority.com, a political blog edited by David Frum, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush and the guy who coined the phrase, "axis of evil" after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Normally, Frum writes about politics, but this piece is about history and social progress right here in Detroit.

Some of his observations (those of an outsider) are eerily, and painfully accurate. And much of his advice is counterintuitively sharp.

Other parts I thought were pretty obtuse, even callous.

Either way, though, I figured it might inspire a good discussion here.


By David Frum
Detroit was the Silicon Valley of the 1920s — the booming home of a glamorous new industry, a place where huge fortunes were conjured in years, sometimes months. But while the creators of the computer industry have as yet bequeathed very little to the built environment, the automobile industry piled up around it an astounding American city, in astoundingly little time.

The Detroit of 1910 was a thriving Midwestern milling and shipping entrepot, a bigger Minneapolis. The Detroit of 1930 had rebuilt itself as a grand metropolis of skyscrapers, mansions, movie palaces and frame cottages spreading northward beyond the line of sight, exceeding Philadelphia and St. Louis, rivaling Chicago and New York.

I had a chance to tour central Detroit recently, my first visit to the downtown core in many, many years.

Some of the old visual magnificence remains, has even been improved.

But for the most part, all is decay. Whole towers stand empty, waiting to join the long line of grand structures that have either been abandoned to pillage and ruin, like Detroit's once magnificent neoclassical skyscraper of a train station, or else pulled down entirely, like the downtown Dayton Hudson department store, once the largest enclosed shopping space in the United States.

Detroit's fall was as steep and rapid as its rise.

In 1960 it remained a thriving city, showing early signs of future trouble yes, but still strong, rich, and proud. By 1970, Detroit was a byword for urban dystopia.

Detroit Then and Now, by Cheri Gay, compiles a series of photographs to illustrate the change. The book in one way is a disappointment: it's written in a tone of forced boosterism that requires the author to deny the reality of the collapse she's chronicling. Detroit was vibrant then, and it remains vibrant now, she wishes to argue... like Sarah Palin's career, it's just advancing in a different direction.

This mode of argument will convince nobody. But sustaining it does require the author to avert her glance from those sections of the city where the theme of evolution cannot possibly be sustained: the acres of abandoned houses, the vacant lots where commercial enterprises once stood.

But here is one thing that I do learn from the book: Detroit has never been protective of its past. In the prosperous early 1960s, it used federal urban renewal funds to pull down its grand Romanesque 19th century city hall. (Detroit wants to use today's TARP money to repeat its vandalism, this time on the old train station.)

Detroit sacrificed a handsome row of pre-Civil War mansions built by then-leading citizens to allow the Detroit News to erect a bland new office and printing block. It has erased almost all traces of its pre-automobile past from the downtown, and only lack of demolition funds preserved its oldest surviving downtown neighborhood, now faintly recovering as a yuppie-gay historical enclave.

Not all the urban renewal schemes failed. I was dazzled by a Mies van der Rohe townhome project, a human-scale garden streetscape in the middle of the city, so lovely that you could almost forgive the grim adjoining Mies van der Rohe high-rise apartment projects.

More often, however, urban renewal was to Detroit what the RAF was to Dresden. One heart-rending contrast: the General Motors plant in Hamtramck, where acres of solid working-class housing were bulldozed — not to make way for the factory itself, which required relatively little space, but so that the factory could be surrounded by parking lots, grass and a wide moat of highway from the rest of the city. It makes a heart-rending contrast to the abandoned 1920s Packard factory I visited, where cottages had been built literally across the lane from the factory wall: literally 40 feet away.

What killed Detroit?

The collapse of the automobile industry seems the obvious answer. But is it a sufficient answer? The departure of meatpacking did not kill Chicago. Pittsburgh has staggered forward from the demise of steelmaking. New York has lost one industry after another: shipping, garment-manufacture, printing, and how many more?

Two other factors have to be considered.

The first is the especially and maybe uniquely poisonous quality of Detroit's race relations. Like Chicago, Detroit attracted hundreds of thousands of black migrants between 1915 and 1960, mostly very unskilled, hoping to gain well-paying employment in factories and warehouses.
Their arrival jeopardized the ambitions of the white working class to raise its wages through unionization. Henry Ford eagerly hired black workers in order to defeat the unions, and in the violent labor clashes of the 1930s, whites and blacks often confronted each other as strikers and strikebreakers.

After the war, the United Autoworkers union tried to integrate blacks into the industrial workforce. But by then automation had begun, and industry's demand for unskilled labor would first cease to grow, then diminish, then disappear. For many migrants, the promised land soon proved a mirage. Or maybe worse than a mirage. If the promised land did not yield the hoped-for industrial jobs, it offered something else: generous new welfare programs, the ashy false fruit of urban liberalism. The children of the parents who accepted the fruit grew into the criminals who drove first the middle class and then the working class out of the downtown and then altogether out of the city.

As the white working class departed, Detroit became a black-majority city, governed by a deeply aggrieved and flagrantly corrupt political class. Political dysfunction spiraled the city into another cycle of dissolution and abandonment — and the abandonment in turn provided the politicians with fresh grievances.

The second factor in Detroit's decline is the city's defiant rejection of education and the arts. Pittsburgh has Carnegie-Mellon. Cleveland has Case Western Reserve University. Chicago has the University of Chicago, Northwestern, and a campus of the University of Illinois. Detroit has... Wayne State.

A city that celebrated industrial culture spurned high culture. The Detroit Institute of Arts is very nice. But it does not begin to compare to Cleveland's museum, let alone the Art Institute of Chicago.

Detroit has a symphony orchestra, but its history has been troubled and unstoried in comparison to Philadelphia's or Cleveland's. On the plaza in front of the Detroit municipal building is a huge bronze replica of Joe Louis' fist and arm, as if to say: "Here is a city ruled by brawn." Brawn counts for very little in the modern world. The earnest redevelopers who hoped to renew Detroit by razing its history instead destroyed the raw materials out of which urban renaissance has come to so so many other American downtowns.

A couple of days after I returned from Detroit, I telephoned a friend who had lived and worked in the city for many years. My friend, it's relevant to mention, is the son of an Irish cop, ardently Catholic and defiantly conservative. Why did Chicago recover and Detroit fail, I asked. What doomed the city? He thought for a moment. "Not enough gays."

Detroit confirms the lessons taught by Jane Jacobs and Russell Kirk. Preservation is as vital to urban health as renovation. Indeed, they are inseparable. The preservation of the old incubates the new.

It's a lesson with application not only to Detroit's past, but its future. The great factory complexes along the Detroit River have shuttered. America no longer manufactures here. Some will want to rip the factories down. Leave them be — leave them for now as monuments and memorials of the achievements of the past; leave them for the future, when somebody will want them.

Want them for what? Who can say? Who in 1950 could ever have imagined London's Docklands converted into condominiums? Who would have guessed that New York's emptied toolshops would provide some of the city's most coveted office space? The 22nd century will put the artifacts of the 20th to equally unsurmisable uses, if only we permit it. Cities can molder for a century or more, and then reawaken to a new era that rediscovers something of value in the detritus of an earlier time. Brooklyn did. So did Miami Beach. Ditto Boston and Charleston — and even more spectacularly, Dublin and Prague.

The promise of renaissance may yet come true, even for the ghost city of Detroit.

Some of this is dead on other parts, not so much.  It's hard to imagine anyone describing the city of Mary Chase Stratton, Albert Kahn and Joyce Carolyn Oates as devoid of high culture.  There was no good reason to build a major university in Detroit when The University of Michigan is all of 40 miles away.  The Detroit News Building is one of Albert Kahn's many industrial masterpieces; it's definitely not bland.  The acres of working class houses bulldozed to make the Poletown Plant would be acres of abandoned houses today if they hadn't been bulldozed.  Leaving abandoned factories standing  is a strategy we've been using for the past 55 years.
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Post by: KRonn on August 07, 2009, 08:57:08 AM
Interesting article. Pretty depressing to see a city in decline like Detroit is, serious decline. At some point it will re-emerge, as the article makes the case for, but for now it's pretty tough going.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 13, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
More Travels with Charlie

QuoteAnother gaffe for DPS: Kids' secrets left to rot
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The secrets of 20,000 schoolchildren lie naked and abused in a deserted warehouse near the Michigan Central Rail Depot.

For example: Jeanette, 11, had an IQ of 57, was mentally unstable and lived in poverty.

The emotional troubles of Bobbie, 7, stemmed from being caught in an emotional tug of war between two bickering and divorced parents.

Johnnie, 8, liked to fight because, his psychologist surmised, his parents placed unrealistic pressure on him to perform.

These intimacies and more are revealed in a thousand spools of microfilm containing the psychological cases of former Detroit schoolchildren. They are not under lock and key, as one might assume, but lying around in the old Roosevelt Book Repository off Michigan Avenue.

The building was owned until the early '90s by the Detroit Public Schools and served as a storage facility for books, crayons and case records from the district's psychological clinic.

Chances are, if you attended Detroit public schools between the 1950s and the 1980s, and you saw a psychologist, then your childhood yearnings and anxieties are visible to anybody with a pair of boots and a crowbar who wishes to view them. Also in the dank, ruinous warehouse are crates of birth records and employment permits that in some cases contain Social Security numbers.

The repository has been raped and looted by scrappers and vandals since it caught fire more than two decades ago. Judging by the condition of some of the unspooled film, the looters also rummaged through the most personal details of some children's lives.

Little Johnnie is now 66-year-old John Brust. He is a businessman living in Rochester Hills and seemed amused that his past had come calling a half-century later.

"Let's face it, we're seeing firsthand what a failure the schools have been to the children of Detroit," Brust said. "The incompetence. How the money is being stolen from their own kids. I want the records destroyed. The world doesn't need to see my childhood problems. When I was a kid, I hated school, OK?"

The discovery of the records unmasks another colossal failure in a string of colossal failures within the Detroit Public School system, said Jack Kresnak, president of Michigan's Children, a nonpartisan advocacy group.

"It is unbelievable and outrageous and, sad to say, par for the course of how things have worked at DPS," Kresnak said. "The confidential nature of psychological evaluations for children is something that should be sacrosanct. Apparently, Detroit children don't deserve this basic dignity."

Detroit schools have a well-earned reputation as some of the worst in the nation. They are so bad, in fact, that closing them down might be considered something of an educational advancement. Recent audits have shown that millions of dollars have been siphoned off by employees, hundreds of no-show jobs and dead people still drawing health benefits. The graduation rate is 25 percent by some estimates. A school board member recently had his children taken away by the court.

Last week, it was announced that several thousand identification files of employees with Social Security numbers were found lying around unguarded in an undisclosed location. On Wednesday, the Wayne County prosecutor issued arrest warrants for five school employees for embezzlement, among other things. And the man brought in to clean it all up, Robert Bobb, the emergency financial manager, was found this week to have given a million dollar no-bid contract to his former employer.

But the emergence of the unguarded psychological records may carry the most chilling consequences of all, said Dr. Gerald Shiener, a prominent psychiatrist at the Wayne State University Medical School.

"Patients have to be confident that their most inner thoughts and feelings will be safeguarded," he said. "It inhibits the patient's ability to speak honestly if they can't be sure that those thoughts remain confidential."

Jennifer Mrozowski, a spokeswoman for DPS, said in a written statement: "While we have not owned that building for years, we know that buildings owned by the Detroit Public Schools were not always properly secured when they were closed or sold, resulting in records, equipment, desks and other valuables left to vandals and thieves, in some cases."

Nevertheless, Mrozowski stopped short of claiming ownership of the files.

But in the opinion of Mayer Morganroth, a noted Detroit lawyer, the school district is responsible for the files and has exposed itself if not to criminal charges then certainly a multi-million dollar civil lawsuit. "Those records are the responsibility of the school district and the examining psychologists. They are privileged documents and should never have been arbitrarily exposed."

The building, owned by trucking magnate Matty Moroun, has been sealed off since January, when a man known as Johnnie Dollar was found there, frozen in an elevator shaft, only his feet and ankles protruding from the ice.

Told of the 10,000 other ghosts inhabiting the place, Dan Stamper, an adviser to Moroun, promised extra security at the building, until school officials remove the records, and trucks to help haul the records away.

As for little Johnnie Brust, he has done well. He now makes a good living in automobile parts. He has four grown children. "I'm happy in life," he says. "I'm just anxiously waiting on grandchildren."

Where do they find these school board members?  And I can't understand why Obama is having such trouble providing health care for everyone when here in Detroit it's so abundant that we can afford to supply it to dead people.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 13, 2009, 09:18:30 AM
Quote5 more face charges in probes of DPS
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Embezzlement charges expected today against five former Detroit Public Schools employees are only the latest from an investigation attacking the district's "culture of corruption."

"Unfortunately, this is not the last time we will stand before you. It is the first of a wave of charges," Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said Wednesday.

Worthy said she was not surprised to find corruption inside the school district's administration. What surprised her was "how overt, conspicuous and downright barefaced a lot of it is."

Eight more employees and people associated with school workers also could face charges soon, Worthy said.

The five who face criminal warrants are expected to turn themselves over at 1 p.m. for arraignment at the city's 36th District Court. They have been terminated by the district.

The district's state-appointed emergency financial manager, Robert Bobb, insisted Wednesday was a good day for the district, not a sad one.

"My clear message to parents," Bobb said, "is you should never feel more confident than this moment ... that every red penny intended for your children's education is being spent for your children's education."

The district's inspector general, John E. Bell Jr., a former FBI agent appointed in March by Bobb, said he has launched 129 investigations into incidents going back seven years.

Bell said 52 investigations are closed, with most heading toward state felony charges through Worthy's office or federal charges through U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg. Twenty-five employees have been cleared of accusations, Bell said.

"Many of the cases were simply horribly bad deals (contracts and leases signed by the district), where no money can be recovered. But, we continue to look for the quid pro quo (evidence of wrongdoing in the contract process). There must be consequences for fraud and abuse, the robbery of our children of a quality education."

School board member Reverend David Murray complained that the charges announced Wednesday are aimed at small fish, considering the district can't account for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Bobb said oversight mechanisms are now in place to prevent a return to the old ways.

"Clearly, there was a friends-and-family culture, where contracts were let out to friends and family," he said. "We are seeing real change happen in terms of waste, fraud and corruption in the system."

Last July, the district filed a civil lawsuit against the former director of its risk management department, claiming Lawrence Hill and others may have been responsible for the diversion of $45 million. That investigation was launched by former Superintendent Connie Calloway, who has sued the district claiming she was fired, in part, because she was uncovering wrongdoing involving officials and school board members.

The investigation never resulted in criminal charges, although Calloway said she shared her findings with local and federal authorities.

Bobb vowed that larger offenders also are in his sights. "I personally don't care if the crook is the little guy or the chief executive," Bobb said. "We are coming after you."

The following are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law:

QuoteFive former Detroit Public School workers to be charged today with embezzlement by a public official:

Maria Roscoe, 46, aka Maria Starkey of Eastpointe, head of program that allegedly paid two workers as athletic coaches, then took kickbacks.
Sandra Carter, 46, of Harper Woods, a teacher's aide at Denby High School, allegedly took more than $20,000 for coaching duties never performed.
Roscoe Smiley, 42, of Detroit, a school district truck driver, allegedly took $1,000 for coaching duties never performed.
Lisa Williams, 41, of Detroit, a clerk at Bow Elementary, accused of taking more than $25,000 from school accounts.
Tammi R. Henry, 39, of Detroit, coordinator of food services at Burns Elementary School, alleged to have stolen lunchroom receipts of more than $400.

Most of this is chump change; there are millions unaccounted.  Still that's five more DPS employees charged with felonies than I thought there would be.

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Post by: charliebear on August 14, 2009, 11:27:04 AM
We saw Charles Pugh last night in Ferndale during the pre-Dream Cruise.  He's running for Detroit City Council, and earned the highest number of votes in the Primary Elections.  He seems like such a nice man.  I wished him luck.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
With interactive map on the site:

[url] http://www.detnews.com/article/20090817/METRO01/908170334/48-vacant-buildings-blight-downtown-Detroit[/url}

Quote48 vacant buildings blight downtown Detroit
High cost of razing and renovation, low demand stymie development in Central Business District
Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News
Some four dozen big buildings in the heart of Detroit are languishing, vacant, because demand for commercial and office space has dropped and money to demolish or renovate them has dried up.

These are among the most visible ghosts in a city of ghostly buildings -- the harsh, physical evidence of a community that has lost 1 million people from its peak population of 1.8 million in the 1950s.

Some are in shocking condition: sidewalks cordoned off to protect pedestrians from falling chunks of facade; trees growing from roofs.

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"Every major market is having a very difficult time now, but downtown Detroit was at such a low point that our situation is much more severe," said Robin Boyle, chairman of Wayne State University's Department of Urban Planning and Geography.

The city's empty buildings, he added, are difficult to market because redevelopment would take more than just some spit and polish.

"We're looking at a very long, tough stretch, because now what we are really dealing with is the issue of obsolete buildings," Boyle said.

The global recession, tight credit and retrenchment of Detroit's auto industry have stopped much new construction and redevelopment deals in their tracks.

At the same time, the city's $8 million federal fund to demolish buildings will be all but spent after the intended $1.2 million razing of the city-owned Lafayette Building. There is no additional funding expected after that is exhausted. "I don't expect any significant progress for at least two, three years," said Jeff Ball, vice president at CB Richard Ellis, a commercial real estate investment firm.

"The Big Three may have stabilized, but unless they start selling more vehicles, I don't see how anyone makes major deals downtown."

Vacant buildings drain the city of potential taxes and workers who pay to park, buy lunches and shop over their lunch hours. The overall image raises further doubts in the minds of outsiders who might otherwise be interested in setting up shop in Detroit. "For downtown Detroit, it really slows down a lot of the progress that was being made," Ball said.

Narrowing it down
While there is no official ledger of empty buildings, The Detroit News identified 48 major structures with no outward signs of life in the Central Business District, which covers about 127 blocks. Others have one or two remaining tenants.

Absent an official registry, The News used lists provided by city officials and two commercial real estate firms as a starting point in scouring the downtown to determine how many buildings of at least five stories or 10,000 square feet are vacant. That's the size at which developers say a redevelopment deal would likely need major bank loans and tax credits.

Vacancies downtown are only a small part of the story: According to the U.S. Postal Service, there are 62,000 uninhabited buildings and vacant lots throughout Detroit. Entire blocks of commercial and residential property are deserted.

It's impossible to say with certainty, but many believe the number of empty buildings has grown significantly in the past 18 months in the Central Business District, bordered by the Lodge Freeway to the west, I-75 to the north, I-375 to the east and the Detroit River to the south.

"It's hard to imagine it improved over the past two years," said Steve Chaben, senior vice president of commercial real estate investment firm Marcus & Millichap of Southfield.

At least four buildings, including three on Woodward Avenue between Campus Martius and Grand Circus Park, and the 38-story Book Tower on Washington Boulevard, became vacant this year.

The city itself owns three of the empty buildings, including Ford Auditorium in Hart Plaza. And the Wayne County Treasurer's Office seized three buildings in March for nonpayment of taxes.

'Prospects too low'
Some building owners say they no longer are able to hang on for the turnaround.

"The taxes are too high and the prospects too low," said Waad Nahir, chief executive officer of Bosc Equities, which manages the former Peoples Bank building at 751 Griswold. Nahir's building has been empty for seven years, and he hopes to sell it.

"We always had interested tenants who either wanted to lease or buy, but the financing was always tough. We still have people who come through, but the gap of putting the deal together is getting progressively worse."

The downturn is so bad that one building owner says he can't afford to raze a blighted building as city officials have ordered. The roof has collapsed on Anthony Pieroni's Bagley Street building near Grand Circus Park, and he is appealing the city's mandate to demolish it. The building was last used by AAA, seven years ago.

"If I can't make a deal to renovate it, I don't know how they expect me to come up with the funds to tear it down," he said.

Decade started strong
For much of the decade, downtown Detroit was on a roll. More than $500 million was invested.

Eighteen buildings were razed during that time, at least 20 were renovated and occupied, and dozens more were cleaned up. They included loft projects such as the Kales Building in Grand Circus Park, the Lofts at Merchants Row on Woodward, the restoration of the Fort Shelby hotel and a sprinkling of restaurants and nightclubs.

The crowning project during the period was the $200 million restoration of the long-vacant Book Cadillac, which Cleveland developer John Ferchill and the city resurrected into a Westin hotel and upscale condominiums. The penthouse condos were Detroit's first million-dollar downtown residential properties.

Further, an estimated 4,000 people, mainly young and college-educated, moved into the area, bucking the overall trend of the city losing population.

"A lot of us thought we had hit the tipping point," said Derrick Brown, a commercial real estate broker downtown for more than 20 years. "Once the Book Cadillac deal went through, we thought, 'This is it; we can finally get it all done.' "

But it wasn't to be. The office vacancy rate downtown is 27.8 percent, according to CB Richard Ellis, which advertises itself as "the global leader in real estate services."

The decade began in Detroit with a 17.1 percent vacancy rate, and five years ago it was 24 percent.

The U.S. average for downtown office vacancy rates is 13.7 percent, compared with 11.1 percent a year earlier, said Boston-based Colliers International, a commercial real estate brokerage firm.

The rate in Cleveland, similarly bashed by the recession, is 12.22 percent for the second quarter of this year, Colliers said. The rate in Columbus, Ohio, was 14.1 percent.

Lafayette Building's woes
Today, the Lafayette Building, an architectural gem falling apart, is Detroit's new downtown reality. The building, an eyesore on a highly visible piece of real estate, has been empty for 12 years.

Two development deals failed in the past three years to restore the 14-story V-shaped building at 144 W. Lafayette.

The building, across the street from the Westin Book Cadillac, had a number of suitors, but none could put together the financing.

Three years ago, Don Peebles, who helped turn around Miami's wildly successful South Beach, envisioned a $40 million rebirth for the Lafayette: high-end lofts that would sell for more than $350,000. The project collapsed when Peebles couldn't line up the financing.

Then Book Cadillac developer Ferchill gave it a shot. He, too, struck out.

"When I read all these yo-yos saying it can be saved, I'm saying that's just nuts," Ferchill said. "We did the studies and analysis, we tried hard to make the deal work. But there's a $10 million gap. It's impossible."

The city offered the building to Quicken Loans last year for $1.

But the online mortgage company couldn't line up financing for new construction, so it will move its workers into the Compuware Corp. headquarters building at Campus Martius.

Plans for Book Tower
While he gave up on the Lafayette Building, Ferchill said he has "high hopes" for an $87 million renovation of the Book Tower, a block from the restored Book Cadillac, with apartments and retail.

The Book Tower owners, Northeast Commercial Services Corp., filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 2007, and the last tenant, a bar, closed this year.

"We will get that deal done," Ferchill said.

Meanwhile, the Lafayette is so blighted that the city has been forced to close the sidewalk around it because pieces of the facade are falling off and could harm a vehicle or pedestrian. Inside, floors are caving in, city officials said, and trees have grown on the water-damaged roof.

"We don't have a choice. Demolition is always our last resort," said Waymon Guillebeaux, vice president of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp., the city's economic development arm.

And after the Lafayette Building, the city's demolition fund will have just $300,000 left -- enough to raze a smaller structure, but not one of the big ones.

So for now, city officials await a market turnaround.

"We've made too much progress. It's not like before, where there was little activity downtown," said George Jackson, president of the DEGC. "But the (commercial real estate) market can't stay this way forever.

"It will be a challenging, but Detroit's been through tough times before."

A number of the buildings listed are skyscrapers from 1900-1940.  For instance, the Lafayette building (the one with trees growing on it), is a wonderful 30s era art deco building.  It will be a shame to see them go; but it's worse to see them abandoned for decades at a time.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 10:31:54 AM
A day in the life of the DPD:

QuoteDetroit's top cop inherits department rife with problems
Warren Evans' challenges: Gun crime, tech gaps and culture of denial
BY AMBER HUNT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Six weeks after taking over as Detroit's police chief, Warren Evans doesn't sugarcoat the trouble he has inherited.

More than 850 people in the city have been shot so far this year. Some of the department's police cars don't have working computers to run license plates or names for outstanding warrants. Officers are forced to leave their patrols to file police reports. And a $2.5-million in-car camera system has proved a complete bust.

There's a philosophical disconnect, as well. When Evans began, he noticed that nonfatal shootings were logged in reports in far less jolting terms: Aggravated Assault with a "G."

The "G" stands for gun.

"It indicates a level of denial," Evans told the Free Press while patrolling the city last Wednesday.

Much of this Evans knew going into the job; as Wayne County sheriff for six years, he worked closely with the city on countless crime sweeps. Still, to make sure he fully grasps the city's situation, he insists on being called every time someone is shot.

"I haven't had an uninterrupted night's sleep since I got this job," Evans said.

A bloody day for the chief

The dispatcher's voice is tinny and calm. Someone's been shot at Morang and Somerset. It's 5:15 p.m. Wednesday in Detroit.


"We're not too far away," Detroit Police Officer George Chester says, whipping his car down a side street and gaining speed as he navigates toward a cell phone shop where at least one person has reportedly been gunned down in a carjacking.

Evans is in the passenger seat. He turns up the radio to better hear the details.

"I don't know how many we have shot here," the dispatcher concedes. One caller said a man was shot in the back. Another said a man was hit in the head. Hard to say if they're talking about the same victim.

Chester and Evans pull up to the scene within minutes, just as medics lift George Duncan II on a stretcher from the pavement to the ambulance, a pool of blood marking where he fell.

Minutes later, Evans gets word that Duncan, 48, is dead. Another man, the carjacker's apparent target, is injured but should survive.

This is a typical scene on a typical weekday in typical Detroit, where so far this year about four people have been shot, on average, every day.

Evans took over the top cop position six weeks ago, leaving his six-year post as Wayne County sheriff behind. To make the transition, he began tagging along for twice-weekly patrol shifts with Chester, helping to answer calls.

Fifteen minutes into Wednesday's ride came the call of Duncan's fatal shooting, prompting an hours-long search for the carjacked vehicle and shooting suspect that highlighted the department's strengths and shortcomings in a four-hour span.

Evans admits the bloodshed he's seen is no surprise, but the experience has been eye-opening nonetheless.

"People don't want to get along," he says. "We're having four to six shootings in a day sometimes. If you're not outraged, there's something wrong."

No one saw anything

The scene outside the Cingular cellular shop, where Duncan lies dying, is chaos. Dozens of people mill about. Some talk on cell phones. Others stand cross-armed across the street, dispersing as soon as officers approach to ask if anyone saw the shooting.

Evans and Chester arrive, spot the body and check in with the responding officers. They're simply backup, as much to make sure people see the new chief's face at the scene as anything else.

Evans crosses the street to question a group of young men watching things unfold. No one saw anything, they answer tersely. Evans shakes his head.

"There's not much difference between the suburbs and the city with kids," Evans says. "They don't want to help police. Where you see the difference is in everybody else. In the suburbs, adults don't not help police. They want to help."

In the city, they're as silent as the youngsters. No one wants to get involved.

Not even the victims, sometimes.

"They might know who did it," Evans says, "but all they want is to get better and go out to shoot the person themselves."

Word soon comes that officers have spotted a red Dodge Charger -- the type stolen in the shooting and carjacking -- on I-94 near Chene.

As Chester and Evans speed down I-94 to reach the Charger, they hear an officer on the radio. He's trying to see whether the car's license plate matches the vehicle they're hunting.

Evans shakes his head. Again.

"His computer's down," the chief says of the officer's need to rely on his radio to get info about the plate. That kills time -- time that can mean the difference between needlessly stopping cars or finding a killer.

It turns out that this Charger isn't the one they want. Neither is the young man behind the wheel. But there's no way, without an in-car computer, to quickly check to see whether he's wanted for something else.

Another head shake from Evans.

Myriad of problems

Lax technology is an enemy to Detroit's cops in other ways. Most patrol cars don't have working surveillance cameras, which would help monitor officers' traffic stops -- in part to help make cases stick, but also to keep tabs on cops' behavior.

Concerns about police conduct climaxed in 2000 after the U.S. Justice Department began reviewing a series of suspected civil rights abuses investigated by the Free Press, including questionable shootings by police, illegal roundups of witnesses and inhumane treatment of prisoners.

Tarnished public perception is half the battle he faces, Evans says.

"Nothing I do is going to be successful if the community is not involved," he says.

As he and Chester patrol east-side neighborhoods, Evans is treated more like a celebrity by the city's older residents than a law-enforcement official. One woman waves and screams to thank him. Lawrence Vinson, a former business owner at the scene of Duncan's shooting, rushes to shake his hand.

"I think this guy is a godsend," says Robert Rice, 51, who has lived at 8 Mile and Wyoming for 38 years. "You see a difference in the streets."

Rice says he sees more officers on patrol. Just last week, city police worked with other area and federal law-enforcement agencies to target parolees with past gun offenses in the northeast part of the city. In four days, they made 178 arrests, seized 181 vehicles, issued 823 tickets, recovered 10 firearms and seized nearly 800 grams of narcotics, according to Police Lt. Eric Jones.

When he's out on his patrols with Chester, Evans stops frequently, rolls down the window and says, "How you doing?"

Evans is most concerned with those cross-armed and steel-jawed young men whose body language, the chief says, is "F you."

"They're the ones I talk to first," he says.

Caution, praise, hope

Detroit's problems are so deep-seated that hiring a chief with any local ties is suspect, said David Malhalab, a retired Detroit officer.

New Mayor Dave Bing brought in Evans, whom Bing beat out in a February special election, after booting well-liked Chief James Barren.

Mayoral aide Saul Green said Friday that Evans is off to a "fast and effective start," but Malhalab said the appointment seems too politically motivated, especially given that Bing and Evans had both vied for mayor.

"People are concerned the department's been handed over to the county," Malhalab said.

Barren had been appointed by then-Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. after Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to perjury and left office. Barren was well-liked, Malhalab said. Evans is less so among officers, Malhalab and others said, but he added that there's hope: If Evans follows through on talk of changing how officers have to file reports, morale could improve.

Evans wants more than procedure to change inside the department, he says. He wants to change the mentality.

The chief was shocked when he saw that nonfatal shootings are logged in police reports as Aggravated Assaults with a G -- the G standing for "gun." Gunfire shouldn't be labeled in similar fashion to fistfights, he says. The wording is symbolic of past administrations' attempts to palliate reality, he says.

Bullet holes, drying blood

About two hours after Duncan's shooting, Evans hears that two alert east-side officers spotted the wanted Charger hidden behind a house at Lansdowne and Moross near the Harper Woods border.

There's no mistaking the vehicle, with its windshield spiderwebs around golf ball-size bullet holes. Drying blood is frozen mid-drip down the exterior. Inside, more spattered blood.

Duncan was simply talking to the car's driver when he was gunned down. The driver survived. Residents along Moross tell Evans and other officers they saw a man nervously run from the discarded car to the street, apparently hitching a ride with a summoned friend.

Police have a suspect, but no one had been arrested as of Friday.

Knowing your suspect is not enough. Getting people to help ferret him out is the real challenge.

Until that begins happening, the Detroit-damning crime statistics won't change, Evans says.

"I don't want to be giving speeches from the heart and then have people call the police to get shoddy service," he says. "The end game is not to put on a dog-and-pony show. It's to change the culture.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 12:00:51 PM
QuoteDetroit school board files lawsuit against Bobb
BY CHASTITY PRATT DAWSEY
FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER


The Detroit school board today filed a lawsuit in Wayne County Circuit Court against state appointee Robert Bobb. It alleges that he violated state law by failing to consult with the school board concerning financial matters as required by law.

Bobb is the emergency financial manager appointed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm in January to take over the district's $1.2-billion budget. The district had an estimated $400-million deficit which Bobb has whittled to $259 million through 2,500 layoffs and other cuts.

The lawsuit also alleges that Bobb has exceeded his legal authority by "involving himself in matters of academics, curriculum and/or educational policy."

In the lawsuit, the board is requesting that Bobb consult with the board on the implementation of a financial plan, cease making decisions concerning academics and restore the $125,000 budgeted for the school board to retain outside counsel.

The board is represented by attorney Ben Gonek of Detroit.

:lol:

I can't imagine why Bobb wouldn't consult on financial issues with the people who put DPS $400 Million in the red.
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Post by: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 10:31:03 AM


A number of the buildings listed are skyscrapers from 1900-1940.  For instance, the Lafayette building (the one with trees growing on it), is a wonderful 30s era art deco building.  It will be a shame to see them go; but it's worse to see them abandoned for decades at a time.   :(

Couldn't we all chip in and buy one?  I like the Grand Army of Republic Building, located on Grand River.  It's in the upper left corner of the interactive map.  I'll toss in $5.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DGuller on August 17, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 13, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
More Travels with Charlie

QuoteAnother gaffe for DPS: Kids' secrets left to rot
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The secrets of 20,000 schoolchildren lie naked and abused in a deserted warehouse near the Michigan Central Rail Depot.

...
Stories like this make Detroit look like Zimbabwe.  Surely things can't be as bad as they're described?
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Post by: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
Go deep:

QuoteAnother $349,000 paid in alleged cop body searches
By BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

The City of Detroit in 2007 paid another $349,000 to a second man who claimed he was victimized by two Detroit Police officers who have been sued over alleged illegal body cavity searches, the Free Press has learned.


Marjjo Clyburn, 34, of Detroit was issued a check on March 6, 2007 — the same day the city cut another check for $349,0000 for Byron Ogletree, 43, who claimed the officers assaulted him after a 2006 traffic stop. The payments were uncovered through Freedom of Information Act requests made by the Free Press.

The payments were issued although city lawyers have maintained there is nothing to the allegations against Officers Michael Osman and Michael Parish. The officers, who are still on the job, have denied the allegations in depositions.

Exact details of Clyburn's allegations against Osman and Parish aren't known because his attorney, Daniel Reid, has declined comment, citing his clients' agreements with the city.

The officers are the focus of eight lawsuits filed by 10 men in U.S. District and Wayne County Circuit courts in Detroit. Several lawsuits have received settlements of up to $25,000.

However, Clyburn and Ogletree never filed lawsuits. They filed claims with the city, which don't have to be approved by City Council.

City Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel said today she's flabbergasted by the claim payouts and has sent a memo to the law department seeking an explanation.

"The claims are generally for smaller amounts of money," she said. "To call it an anomaly is to be charitable. It is highly unusual that this would have settled at the claim level," she said.

Records from 2006 through present show that the payments to Clyburn and Ogletree were by far the largest city claim payouts. The largest claim amount in the 2008-09 fiscal year, which ended June 30, was $25,000 and the total for the year was $157,000.

Both of the $349,000 claim payments were authorized by former Deputy Corporation Counsel Brenda Braceful, whose law license since has been suspended on an unrelated matter.

Assistant City Attorney Paula Cole previously said the officers did nothing wrong. She declined comment today.

Detroit attorney Zachary Posner represents several other men in federal lawsuits against the officers.

"That is a whole lot of real money to spend on making sure false allegations based on some vast community-wide conspiracy never would see the light of day," he said Monday.

Bad cops, bad cops, what you going to do? What you going to do when they come for you?

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 17, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 13, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
More Travels with Charlie

QuoteAnother gaffe for DPS: Kids' secrets left to rot
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The secrets of 20,000 schoolchildren lie naked and abused in a deserted warehouse near the Michigan Central Rail Depot.

...
Stories like this make Detroit look like Zimbabwe.  Surely things can't be as bad as they're described?

One of our power brokers, Sam Riddle, said that the only difference between Detroit and a third world nation is that there aren't goats wandering the streets of Detroit.

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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 18, 2009, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 17, 2009, 06:50:11 PM

One of our power brokers, Sam Riddle, said that the only difference between Detroit and a third world nation is that there aren't goats wandering the streets of Detroit.

That could be a way to utilize the decaying space. Grazing land.



Come on, you know it's a great idea, and every organic food proponent should be backing it. Free-range Detroit Goats. They could eat all the garbage and old tires.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on August 20, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
I'll bet Kwame can provide us a detailed accont on what she was charging for:

QuotePolice reform expense records light on detail
BY BEN SCHMITT, DAVID ASHENFELTER, CHRISTINA HALL and JIM SCHAEFER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

The city of Detroit released 1,100 pages of expense reports today that were submitted by federal monitor Sheryl Robinson Wood, who was recently forced from her position overseeing reform efforts at the Detroit Police Department after a federal judge concluded she had an inappropriate personal relationship with former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

But the paperwork failed to provide much detail to justify the $13 million she and her staff have collected for monitoring the Detroit Police Department over the past six years.

Although the paperwork contained monthly lists of how many hours the monitors worked and how much they were reimbursed for travel, meals and other expenses, there were no vouchers or detailed invoices to show what the city got for its money.

City and police officials have complained for years about a lack of detailed documents to back up the expenses incurred by Wood and her staff. The city was responsible for paying the monitor to oversee it's troubled police department.

One official familiar with the federal oversight of the police department said there was no surprise in the documents the Free Press received today in response to a state Freedom of Information Act request.

"At every turn, she refused to provide the detail that we wanted," said the official, who asked not to be named because the official is not authorized to speak about the case. "We even went to court in 2007 over the issue and lost."

U.S. District Judge Julian Cook appointed Wood in 2003 to oversee court-ordered reforms of the troubled police department. The ordered reforms came after the Free Press revealed in 2000 that police had an extraordinarily high rate of fatal shootings and that follow-up investigations were often cursory and skewed in favor of the officers.

The newspaper also found questionable homicide investigation practices, illegal detention of witnesses and mass dragnet arrests of people who may have witnessed homicides.

As court-appointed monitor, Wood and her team reported to Cook, who required a monthly report listing the expenses and fees incurred by Wood and her staff. After Cook approved the expenditures, the city was required to pay them from an escrow account.

Police executives questioned the lack of expense vouchers or a breakdown of how many hours each monitor worked in the city. But they failed to persuade Cook that a fuller breakdown was required.

The judge declined comment today on why he did not require more detailed expenses from Wood's office.

The expense reports released today listed the amounts of money that Wood requested on behalf of herself and her team for meals, ground transportation, telephone, hotel, parking and air fare.

But few of the reports identified which hotel the monitors stayed in, whether they used limousines versus cabs, or why some flights cost more than $1,000 while other cost around $200.

After six years, less than 40% of the court-ordered police reforms are in place. Long-promised in-car video cameras and a computer system to track officers' performance are still not operational.

Wood resigned in July after Judge Cook issued an order that described "meetings of a personal nature" between her and Kilpatrick. Cook did not elaborate.

Detroit Deputy Mayor Saul Green has said text messages over an 18-month period between the pair led to the resignation. Green, too, would not go into detail.

The text messages referred to were not among the roughly 14,000 text messages that the Free Press earlier obtained which showed that Kilpatrick and his then-aide Christine Beatty had lied at a 2007 police whistle-blower trial.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 24, 2009, 04:16:55 PM


Quote from: The Hill
Conyers looks vulnerable in 2010 reelection poll
@ 2:14 pm by Michael O'Brien

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) could face a tough reelection race in 2010, according to a new, independent poll released this weekend.

40 percent of Conyers's constituents said he deserved reelection, according to a poll conducted earlier this month by the Lansing, Mich.-based Deno Noor Polling, in conjunction with the Rossman Group and Perricone Group.

44 percent of Detroiters represented by Conyers said they would prefer to elect someone else. 15 percent were unsure or didn't know.

The 80-year-old Conyers has served in Congress since 1965, making him one of the longest-serving members of Congress still in office. He could face a challenging reelection, though, due to the conviction of his wife, Monica Conyers, for bribery charges incurred while she served as President Pro Tempore of the Detroit City Council.

Rep. Conyers has dodged questions about his wife's conviction, and it isn't clear whether the couple has maintained a close relationship in recent years.

Still, 76 percent of those surveyed said the conduct of Monica Conyers wouldn't affect how they would vote for her powerful husband.

Another Detroit lawmaker's political future could be imperiled by a family member's illicit political conduct, as well.

27 percent of Detroiters said Rep. Carolyn Cheek Kilpatrick (D-Mich.) deserves reelection almost a year after she was almost unseated in a Democratic primary challenge.

58 percent said that someone else should replace Kilpatrick, with 14 percent undecided.

Kilpatrick won a hotly-contested three-way primary last August with 39 percent of the vote after her son, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, was forced from office after pleading guilty to charges stemming from his testimony denying an extramarital affair to which he later admitted.

60 percent of Detroiters said the former mayor's conduct would have no bearing on their vote for Kilpatrick, who's served in Congress since being elected in 1996.

They're everywhere, and you cannot get rid of them. The Kilpatrick-Conyers axis will continue to thrive.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 27, 2009, 09:07:45 AM
Yet another Travel with Charlie:

QuoteStudents wait and worry at bus stops
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit

Stand at Detroit's most notorious bus stop at the northeastern intersection of the Southfield Freeway and Warren. This is the corner where seven children waiting for a bus were shot in an after-school rampage. There was a school beef on Monday, the kids told investigators. Tuesday was the shooting. School starts in 10 days and still no one has been charged.

Talk to the kids on this corner. They'll tell you that standing at the bus stop can be tantamount to taking your life in your hands.

"I'm scared a lot of the time," said Mikhale Stinson, 17, who was waiting on the No. 46 with her sister, Arkeshia Crippens, 15. It was only 4 o'clock. The sun was high. Still, the girls were keeping a wary eye. "The only thing more dangerous than the bus after school is waiting for the bus after school. The longer you're standing still is the better chance that something bad is going to happen to you."

And now comes the news that Mayor Dave Bing may stop bus service on Sundays and after 6 p.m. on Saturdays while laying off 113 drivers.

Obviously, it is a hardship for those who need to get to work on the weekends but cannot afford a car. It means fewer people going to church, the grocery store and the cemetery to visit dear old dad. No one likes to take the bus. People take the bus because they need to take the bus.

But fewer drivers also means fewer buses during the weekdays, riders suspect, which translates into longer waits, which means kids standing around dangerous corners.

Look down at Stinson's feet, this is what you'll see at the de facto public school bus stop: an empty liquor bottle, a soiled condom, a mound of cigarette butts, exposed power lines where a street lamp once stood.

Look north: abandoned houses and small factories, roaming dogs, hard looking young men with empty eyes and nothing to do in the middle of a work day.

Look at it and think about what it takes to succeed in a Detroit school and suddenly a 25 percent graduation rate starts to look pretty good. Things are so bad that one member of the Detroit Public School Board told me she wouldn't send her dog to a high school in the city.

To make things worse, the schools are consolidating this year, meaning rival gangs are being forced to mix. John Roach, the spokesman for the Detroit Police Department, says the first two weeks of school are usually the most violent. Police are trying to prevent it from getting worse this year. But according to Roach, the federal grant money that allowed police to follow buses along the most troublesome lines ran out.

This development comes after the June 30 shooting, in which at least five summer school students attending Cody High -- and seven total -- were shot at this bus stop.

Robert Bobb, the emergency financial manager for the public schools, has launched a half-million dollar campaign to slow the exodus of Detroit children to alternative schools. Good luck.

Like so many kids I met riding the 46 line Wednesday, Mikhale and Arkeshia don't even attend nearby Cody High. Instead, they attend classes in Inkster, a suburban school district that provides private buses for Detroit children.

"Our mom won't let us go to Cody," Arkeshia said. "It's in the 'hood, it's too much drama, it's too dangerous and they don't even have enough books."

How do you hang a future on that? Mikahle said she would like to go to college to become a veterinarian. Arkeshia wants to study law.

"After college I don't think I'll come back to Detroit because it'll all be the same," Mikhale said.

She offered this devastating appraisal of young life in an old city. "You can't make your dreams in Detroit."

The No. 46 arrived -- on time.

"It gets worse when school gets back in and these kids are on the bus," said Anthony Harmon, 41, on his way to work as a cook in Dearborn. "You don't dare say anything to those teenagers. Not if you want to make it home to see your own."

Inkster High was the alma mater of the Marvelettes.  Barry Gordy discovered them at Inkster High talent show.   :cool:

Inkster is a historically black suburb near Dearborn.  Henry Ford built a plant there in the 30's, but he was convinced that the Jews would cheat the black workers out of their wages that he paid the workers only a quarter wage and gave the remaining 3/4ths to civic improvement.  (Needless to say, this was before the UAW.) 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 27, 2009, 09:33:15 AM
From the FREEP:

QuoteCar insurance rate setting hits Detroiters unfairly
JEFF GERRITT

Jacked up insurance rates are driving people out of Detroit and other Michigan cities, and forcing tens of thousands of motorists to commit fraud or roll without coverage. Residents of the nation's poorest big city pay the highest average auto insurance premiums. Shelling out $4,000 a year, or more, is not uncommon in Detroit, while up to half of its motorists drive uninsured.

It's partly because of so-called territorial ratings, which allow insurance companies to base rates partly on where drivers live. It's not red-lining, nor is it illegal. Regardless of their driving records, motorists with Detroit ZIP codes get charged more, insurance companies argue, because they live in riskier neighborhoods.

Aren't poor schools, unreliable buses and Comcast Cable punishment enough for those of us who live here?

So far, politicians have opted for easy answers to the urban insurance crisis, like proposing to ban insurance companies from using credit histories. It's a good idea, but it will do little, if anything, to close the gap between city and suburban rates. Many urban residents also benefit from good-credit discounts.

The problem goes beyond Detroit, Flint, Benton Harbor and other urban centers. Statewide, 17% of all motorists drive uninsured, up from 11% in 1989, says the Insurance Research Council. Michigan's economic slump will make matters even worse. Nationally, a percentage-point jump in the jobless rate corresponds to a similar increase in the rate of uninsured drivers.

Unable to pay for coverage, some drivers buy fake insurance certificates for $50 or $60. Others get a bogus suburban address in a lower-risk ZIP code.

A sales rep in Warren, when I leased a new car eight years ago, advised me to get a phony address outside Detroit and then forward my mail to my real residence in Detroit. "All my Detroit customers do it," he told me.



Some drivers purchase insurance on monthly payments and then let the coverage lapse after the first month.

Southeast Michigan's lousy public transportation system leaves low-income workers with little choice. Tens of thousands of Detroiters like Sylvester Long end up driving uninsured.

Long, 50, earns $9 an hour, or about $270 a week, working four days a week, stripping and waxing floors. Even with a good driving record, Long had to pay nearly $200 a month to insure his 1995 Pontiac minivan. He couldn't continue to cough up almost a week's pay every month for auto insurance -- so he drove without it.

It caught up to him last month. Coming home from a neighborhood skating rink on a Sunday night, Long was rear-ended while he waited at a red light at Hayes and Kelly on Detroit's east side. He was treated for hip and back injuries at St. John Hospital and missed three weeks of work.

With his vehicle totaled, Long now gets to work by bus, riding 90 minutes each way from his home in northeast Detroit to his job in the New Center area. If the city cuts Sunday service, he'll lose a ride to work. Long told me he's in continual pain but can't get adequate medical care because he didn't have auto or health insurance. "The insurance rates are ridiculous," he told me last week. "They have to get the rates down to, say, $100 a month for people to afford it."

This year, I cut my auto insurance rates almost in half by shopping around, as the Insurance Institute of Michigan recommends. Still, rates will remain out of reach for many other city residents, even with the best deal. Reducing theft, arson and fraud are long-term solutions, but people need relief now.

Uninsured drivers put themselves at great risk and can even reduce what insured drivers collect in accidents. Government requires people to buy insurance. It should also help control the costs. The insurance industry has proposed cuts in mandated coverage or medical benefits, but Michiganders appear unwilling to accept changes to Michigan's unlimited no-fault system.

It's time to refuel the debate on territorial ratings. Setting rates by ZIP codes leads to some real absurdities, such as big differences in premiums for drivers living one block south of 8 Mile in Detroit and one block north in Ferndale.


Michigan can't fix a system that forces many city dwellers to drive uninsured without eliminating or restricting how insurance companies use addresses to set rates. Until then, drivers like Long will pay an unfair penalty for living in the D.

JEFF GERRITT is a Free Press editorial writer. Contact him at [email protected] or 313-222-6585.

It's not absurd at all to charge residents of Ferndale less than those of Detroit immediately south of Ferndale.  The block south of Ferndale is the home of Detroit's most notorious criminals; the city council.

This editorial illustrates one of many (many, many) problems with living in the city; it's more expensive than the suburbs.  Property taxes are higher, they have an income tax, and insurance rates are higher.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 01, 2009, 11:04:23 AM
More from everybody's favorite school system:

QuoteBobb wants mayor to run Detroit schools
Manager says he'll sue board over hiring of superintendent
Marisa Schultz and Mark Hicks / The Detroit News

Detroit -- Detroit Public Schools emergency financial manager Robert Bobb said Monday he hopes the mayor takes control of the struggling district, stripping the elected board of its powers after his one-year appointment ends.

"I'm hoping that the mayor takes the helm and takes control over these schools," Bobb said in an interview with The Detroit News.

"The governance structure in Detroit is going to have to change one way or another, whether they are under control of the mayor, under control of the state or under control of the courts. The current government structure is not working here."

Further expressing his dissatisfaction with the board, Bobb said he plans to sue members this week for promoting Teresa Gueyser from acting to general superintendent Aug. 13 without his approval or a national search.

"They violated my order and they've been given an opportunity to cure it, and they chose to thumb their noses at it," Bobb said.

Board members balked at Bobb's comments.

Marie Thornton said removing the board could "reopen wounds" and reignite fears over the previous state takeover, from 2000-04. She defended Gueyser's promotion and said Bobb's proposed legal action is another example of a "communication breakdown" between the board and Bobb.


"As long as both parties don't come to the table, there's a problem," she said. "Some of it needs to be decided in court -- his role, our role. ... But it's supposed to be about the children. With fighting on both sides, the kids are losing."

In a wide-ranging interview with The News, discussing his first six months, Bobb said he will double his efforts in the final six months of his term to transform the district, which is plagued by a $259 million deficit and dwindling enrollment.

Key to his vision is achieving radical reforms in the teachers union contract that would challenge cherished provisions, such as seniority.

"It's the Holy Grail for the union," Bobb said. "For us, it is a monumental problem."

Great teachers with less than 10 years of experience are losing their jobs while some longtime, but ineffective, teachers are retained, he said. Principals need to be able to keep the best teachers, he said.

Using the teachers' contract in New York City as a model, Bobb wants to create a special "chancellor's district" for the lowest performing schools -- an estimated 50-54 schools out of the district's 172. The schools would operate under new rules: no seniority for teachers, extended school days and prescribed teaching techniques.

Performance-based bonuses would be instituted for schools that achieve goals. Everyone, including custodians and cafeteria workers, would be eligible, based on a formula.

Among other provisions Bobb and Chief Academic and Accountability Auditor Barbara Byrd-Bennett are seeking: peer review to weed out underperforming teachers, an extended school year and mandatory professional development.

Bobb is seeking $86.8 million in concessions from the district's 10 unions and 16 bargaining units, including $45 million from the Detroit Federation of Teachers. The teachers' contract expired June 30. Both sides agreed last week to a 60-day extension to ensure classes could start on time.

Keith Johnson, DFT's president, said he hopes a long-term agreement can be reached without major concessions or additional cuts. He said the $45 million figure could change, depending on changing enrollment figures and state aid. "We're not going to negotiate cost savings (district officials) don't need," he said.

Other issues Bobb addressed:

• He and Byrd are working to reduce class sizes in kindergarten through third grade and working out financial details to reduce class sizes for grades 4-8 and high school as soon as this fall. The plan is possible through federal stimulus dollars. In all, the district is going after about $800 million in federal funds.

• Bobb has completed all the legal work to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy to alleviate the district's deficit. The district has not yet filed because "we'll have to see how we get through the contract negotiations," Bobb said, adding that he intends to bargain in good faith. "We are working hard to squeeze every nickel and every penny we can."

Bobb is continuing to reduce costs with vendors, ranging from lawn service to natural gas.

"Many of our creditors are falling in line," he said. The deals so far would allow the district to trim $6 million, Bobb said.

In the midst of an enrollment campaign that will bring comedian Bill Cosby to Detroit, Bobb said he realizes he's asking parents to trust that his rapid reforms will make a difference.

Mayor Dave Bing, who has supported mayoral control of the schools, was unavailable for comment, said press secretary Edward L. Cardenas. Gov. Jennifer Granholm has said she supports mayoral control and legislation is pending in Lansing that would eliminate the school board by July 1 and give authority to a mayor-appointed chief executive officer.

"Give the Detroit school system a chance," Bobb said.

"New leadership is coming into these buildings. ... I am not living in Alice in Wonderland. If we don't get a good teacher contract, that's going to have a negative impact on parents."

I think the school board's days are numbered and they know it.  Acting up like this is their way to try to show they're still in control; but it's probably only going to hurry along their dissolution. 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 01, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
QuoteTo save the city, Bing says he will make cuts
Detroit mayor says he must slash city jobs, pay, services
BY SUZETTE HACKNEY
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Detroit Mayor Dave Bing took a hard-line stance with the city's unions on Monday, saying that to keep the city financially afloat he will have to reduce its workforce by 10%, lower labor costs and cut city services -- including some bus service.


Bing also took swipes at some city workers, who he said aren't working as hard as they could.


He accused union leaders of not negotiating in good faith and criticized residents for protests over proposed cuts to bus services while remaining largely silent as violence escalates in the city.

Bing is grappling with at least a $300-million budget deficit and up to an $80-million cash shortfall.

Last month, the mayor was concerned that the city could run out of money by October.

On Monday, Bing said there is enough money to survive -- for a while.

"I don't think bankruptcy is necessarily in the future, but I don't want anybody to think we are out of the woods," he said.



Some union leaders have suggested things are moving toward a strike.

The mayor said he won't be caught unprepared.

"I hope it doesn't come to that," Bing said, "but they have to do what they have to do, and so do I."

The cuts seem almost piecemeal -- $7 million here, $11 million there, another $10 million over here -- but Bing said his slicing and dicing approach to overhead costs is the only way he'll save the city from a financial disaster.

Bing said he plans to manage the city out of possible financial ruin by eliminating at least 1,000 jobs, effective Sept. 26. If the city's roughly 50 unions agree to a 10% pay cut that would be reached through 26 furlough days, Bing said the number of layoffs could be adjusted. The furloughs are estimated to save the city about $11 million.

But he emphasized that some workers are going to lose their jobs.

"These are not going to be temporary layoffs -- I've got to reduce the workforce in the City of Detroit," Bing said at a news briefing Monday. "We can't afford to carry 13,000 employees. We don't have the money to do that."

Starting today, the city's roughly 3,500 nonunion employees will bring home 10% less in their paychecks. Bing has said that will offer the city a savings of $10 million.

Some union leaders have said they're not protesting the 10% pay cut, but find unacceptable some of the other concessions Bing seeks.


For example, the city wants to eliminate longevity pay, which would save at least $7 million, as well as paid lunches and daily overtime for employees. "We're trying to work and survive, too," said Leamon Wilson, chairman of the presidents of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees locals.

City employees who are the lowest in seniority -- and thus first in line to be laid off -- generally make between $30,000 and $50,000. Add in benefits, and the city estimates they each can cost the city up to $80,000 per year.

Bing said city residents also must prepare for a decrease in some services, though he said no final decisions will be announced until Sept. 10 on changes to bus service provided by the Department of Transportation, including driver layoffs and route changes and eliminations.

The DDOT cuts will be part of an overall 10% reduction in the city's workforce he must make to keep the city afloat, he said.

The city faces a deficit of at least $300 million, and revenues are expected to fall about $80 million below projections in the current fiscal year.

Last week, Bing backed off cuts to DDOT and recalled 113 bus driver layoff notices after Detroiters protested during four days of public hearings that bus service cuts could cost some riders their jobs.

Bing said any changes to the bus system won't take effect until Sept. 26. The mayor said 50 bus drivers called in sick Saturday and the city received no complaints about the abbreviated staff, "so that's at least 50 drivers we don't need."

In addition, Bing said that on Monday he passed six DDOT buses on the city's east side: "Three were totally empty, and the others had five or six people on them."

Henry Gaffney, president of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 26, which represents city bus drivers, could not be reached Monday for comment.

I'll bet Shrek Cockrel Jr. is weeping for joy that he lost.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 02, 2009, 10:32:56 AM
QuoteState withholds another $11.3M from Detroit
BY SUZETTE HACKNEY
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Already strapped for cash, the City of Detroit lost out on more than $11 million in state revenue sharing last month because city officials have not submitted a fiscal audit.

Last week, state officials estimated the city would lose out on about $1 million for the month of August. That figure was readjusted Tuesday to $11.3 million.

The Department of Treasury is now withholding $24.5 million owed to the city because the required 2008-09 annual audit is eight months late. The state distributes revenue sharing on the last day of each even-numbered month.

"The audit will be submitted in October, as we work to ensure more timely submissions hereon," Detroit Mayor Dave Bing said in a statement Tuesday.

Detroit is dealing with a $300-million budget deficit and up to an $80-million cash shortfall. This week, Bing said he must shrink the workforce by 10%, lower labor costs and cut services to keep the city afloat financially.

On Tuesday, about 3,500 nonunion employees received 10% pay reductions. The city has historically been late filing financial audits with the state.

The 2005-06 fiscal year audit triggered the succession of late audits. The late audits have resulted in the state withholding revenue sharing repeatedly, and mandating that it had to give approval for the city to sell bonds.

Leading credit rating agencies such as Moody's cited the late audits as part of its justification for lowering Detroit's rating to junk bond status.

I had no idea that cooking the books was so time consuming. 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 04, 2009, 08:39:57 AM
And another "Only in Detroit" story:

QuoteElderly crime victims fight back
George Hunter / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Jewell Garrett was tired of being a victim, so he fought back.

The 95-year-old retired Chrysler factory supervisor had been robbed four times recently in or near his home on Cascade Street on Detroit's northwest side, allegedly by the same man: 19-year-old Ivory Maudlin, who lives three doors down.

Garrett bought a car in June; the next day, Maudlin allegedly stole it. Garrett rented a car; the next day, police say, Maudlin stole that, too.

So when Maudlin broke into Garrett's house on Aug. 13, allegedly to rob him again, Garrett was ready with a heavy, metal file he used to sand cars.

"I was going to cold-cock him with it," Garrett said Thursday. "But he ran away."

Garrett wasn't the only elderly resident of Cascade Street who refused to submit to Maudlin.

Police say Maudlin also carjacked 94-year-old Ruby Lyons on Sunday as she prepared to pass out Jehovah's Witness pamphlets.

Maudlin got away with her SUV, police said -- but not before Lyons bit him on the arm.

"I had to fight back," said Lyons, who does not know Garrett, although they live on the same block. "I wasn't even thinking about it -- he attacked me, and I was going to do something about it."

Maudlin was arraigned Thursday on charges of carjacking, unarmed robbery and assault in connection with the alleged crimes against Garrett. Maudlin also was arraigned Wednesday on another carjacking charge, stemming from the Sunday robbery of Lyons' 2007 Jeep Cherokee. He's being held in the Wayne County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bond.

A 14-year-old who allegedly acted as a lookout during one of the robberies against Garrett also was arrested.

He will be tried in Wayne County Juvenile Court, police said.

The boy had been arrested in March after leading police on a high-speed chase in a stolen car. Maudlin was in the passenger seat, but was let go because he claimed he didn't know the car had been stolen, police said. The boy was out on bond, which was revoked following his most recent arrest.

Violent acts 'cowardly'
Detroit Police Chief Warren Evans invited Garrett to speak to the media at police headquarters Thursday in an effort to put a human face on the problem of crimes against the elderly.

"We don't have much of a community when we can't protect the elderly and we can't protect children," Evans said. "We're being significantly challenged with both. I want people to feel as indignant as I do about it, and understand they have a responsibility to look after elderly people, and to call the police when they see something.

"It's almost hard for me to fathom the cowardly nature of the act," the chief said. "I've heard people say these things are caused by difficult circumstances, but no circumstances in the world would cause a grown man to rob and assault and beat elderly people."

Garrett, a widower who has lived in his home for 44 years, also was perplexed about why he was targeted.

"I'm a churchgoing person. I don't bother anybody," he said. "But I'm not just going to let someone keep taking from me."

He said he was eating dinner the night of Aug. 13 when he heard a noise behind him.

"I turned around, and there he stood," Garrett said. "I didn't hear him come in. I jumped up real quick and drew back the file. I guess he was scared, too, because he ran back out the window."

Struggle leads to injury
Lyons said her struggle against her attacker resulted in a broken arm; the woman is scheduled to undergo surgery today.

"I came back home from Kingdom Hall (at about noon Sunday) because I forgot my (religious) literature," Lyons said. "I had just gotten into the van and then (Maudlin) snatched me and threw me in the street.

"I got up and grabbed him and bit him. I tried to pull him out of the van but he closed the door on my arm and drove away."

'I was tired of it'
Both Garrett and Lyons said they felt compelled to fight back. Garrett said the string of alleged incidents angered him.

"I bought a 2002 Buick Century on a Wednesday (in June), and on Thursday (Maudlin) came in my driveway and stole it. I didn't even have time to get plates for it.

"I called AAA and got a rental car, and the next day he came back and stole that one, too," Garrett said.


Police say Garrett also was robbed by Maudlin on June 27 and Aug. 10.

"I was tired of it," Garrett said.

Police arrested Maudlin and his young, alleged accomplice after they found Lyons' sport utility vehicle in southwest Detroit and staked it out. A man rode a bicycle up to the vehicle, got in, and started to drive away.

"That person wasn't the perpetrator, but he led us to the perp," Evans said.

Darlesse Till moved to Cascade Street three months ago, but she said she's planning to move because the neighborhood is "crazy."

"I've got three kids. I don't want them to have to live around here," said Till, 22. "When you get people robbing old folks like that, it's hard to believe. When someone starts to do something like that, they need to think of their grandmother or grandfather."

Edit- Changed this to the more detailed Detroit News version
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 16, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
From The Detroit News:
QuoteCity still wants to pick up the check
From the "You Can't Win for Trying" File: Councilman Kwame Kenyatta learned this week he can't take over the upkeep of his city-owned car to save the city some cash.

Kenyatta announced last week that he wanted to assume the estimated $7,200 a year cost of gas and maintenance of his Crown Vic. But in a response letter, Terrence King, director of the General Services Department, told Kenyatta that only the municipal garage can do vehicle maintenance because of "potential liabilities."

Kenyatta also wanted to start paying for the gas when he fills up at city pumps. But, alas, that's not possible either.

In the following excerpt from King's letter, he painfully illustrates just how bumpy a road City Hall's "reinvention" may be.

"We appreciate your initiative to help the city defer costs of the maintenance and fuel but we do not have the ability to receive reimbursements to a specific object code due to budget restrictions. The budget department needs to be contacted in order to create an object code that could be used to reflect this reimbursement and the billing process will need to be defined. At this point, we do not have the ability to accept your offer."

Bureaucracy always wins.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Alcibiades on September 16, 2009, 04:25:27 PM
:(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 16, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
What a city:

QuoteDetroit deputy police chief held up, robbed

Police are investigating the weekend armed robbery a Detroit police deputy chief, who was held up for $300 in cash on the city's west side.

Deputy Chief Herbert Moreland was off duty and robbed outside of his car around 3 a.m. Sunday, said Spokesman John Roach.

Roach said Moreland was with a friend on the 12000 block of Santa Rosa and was getting something out of his trunk when a man put a gun to his head and demanded his wallet. Police also believe a second suspect was at the scene.

"At some point the deputy chief struggled with the suspect and the deputy chief had his departmental-issued weapon with him and fired several shots at the suspect, who fled," Roach said.

No one is believed to have been struck by any bullets, Roach said. The suspects got $300.

Roach said that Chief Warren Evans has turned the investigation over to Michigan State Police. Moreland's wife works for the Detroit Police Internal Affairs section.

"Chief Evans felt that because this incident involved a high-ranking member of the Detroit Police Department, he wanted to make sure there was an independent review," Roach said. "He also wanted there to be no question about the investigation into the overall incident."

Anyone with information on the robbery is asked to call Crimestoppers at 800-773-2587 (SPEAKUP).
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Post by: Alcibiades on September 16, 2009, 04:44:06 PM
Wow.  Won't make a difference of course. :p
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 16, 2009, 04:44:31 PM
Meanwhile in the lives of the pimp and infamous:

QuoteKilpatrick late, short on restitution payment
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News
Detroit --Former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has fallen behind on monthly payments toward the $1 million he owes the city in restitution for his conviction last year on crimes related to the text message scandal.

Kilpatrick, who now lives in Southlake, Texas, and works as a salesman for the Covisint subsidiary of Compuware, paid $3,000 to the Wayne County Circuit Court on Wednesday afternoon. The money arrived a day late and $3,000 short of the court-ordered $6,000 monthly payment.

Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner, who sentenced Kilpatrick to serve 99 days in jail for obstruction of justice and now oversees his probation, was notified Wednesday about the short payment, said Russell Marlan, spokesman for the Michigan Department of Corrections.


"We relayed this information to the judge this afternoon," Marlan said. "It is up to Judge Groner now as to what he wants to do."

Kilpatrick reportedly makes at least $110,000 a year working for Covisint, with the potential for earning commissions and bonuses that could triple his earnings.

There was no indication Wednesday how or when the judge will respond.

Kilpatrick's lawyer, Michael Alan Schwartz, last week notified Groner, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy and Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox that his client has cut his payments in half because he no longer is receiving advance payments on his anticipated commissions. The advances were set to last for six months, which have passed.

Groner had based Kilpatrick's monthly payments on 30 percent of his monthly income. For the first six months Kilpatrick worked for Covisint, he said he would receive double paychecks of $20,000 per month. The extra money was coming from anticipated commissions and bonuses.

Schwartz said the reduction in his client's monthly income must result in a reduction in his restitution payments.

Groner has declined to bring Kilpatrick back to town for hearings to explain previous late and partial payments. He also has declined to hold hearings requested by the prosecutor at which Kilpatrick would be required to publicly detail his assets and income. The Michigan Department of Corrections Probation Department has performed an assessment that remains confidential.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 17, 2009, 02:10:57 PM
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QuoteKilpatrick bid to lower payment to $6 denied
By M.L. ELRICK
Free Press Staff Writer

One day after former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick cut his court-ordered restitution payment by 50%, the Michigan Court of Appeals rejected his bid to lower it 99.9%.

In a terse, one-sentence order issued today, the appellate court said that Kilpatrick's bid to lower his monthly restitution payment from $6,000 to $6 was "denied for lack of merit."

In March, Kilpatrick's lawyer had argued that the ex-mayor's monthly expenses — including $2,700 for rent and $900 to lease a new Cadillac Escalade — ate up $9,994 of his $10,000 monthly salary from his job as a health care software salesman with Covisint, a subsidiary of Compuware. Kilpatrick now lives in a million-dollar mansion – larger even than the Manoogian mansion of his mayoral days – in a gated community outside Dallas.

After media reports detailed Kilpatrick's lavish living in the weeks after his release from the Wayne County Jail, Judge David Groner ordered Kilpatrick to pay $6,000 a month toward the $1 million he agreed to pay the city of Detroit as part of his deal to plead guilty to obstruction of justice charges stemming from the text message scandal.

While Kilpatrick's appeal to pay only $6 a month outraged many, his attorney, Michael Alan Schwartz, said at the time: "I don't think he was ordered to live a more modest lifestyle ... Is it better Mr. Kilpatrick drives a beat-up Yugo?"

Rather than ask Groner, the Wayne County Circuit Court judge who approved Kilpatrick's plea deal, to reduce the former mayor's restitution payments, Schwartz appealed the matter to the Michigan Court of Appeals.

He got his answer today.

The Man keeps keeping Kwame down.   :(
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on September 17, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
Detroit must be destroyed for the good of the Union.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2009, 03:06:11 PM

Quote"I don't think he was ordered to live a more modest lifestyle ... Is it better Mr. Kilpatrick drives a beat-up Yugo?"


LOL.  Yes?

:P
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Post by: Josquius on September 17, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
So....are they going to demolish most of the city then?
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Post by: Jaron on September 17, 2009, 04:16:28 PM
This is what happens when niggers get involved in government.

Would ANYONE be shocked if this was happening in Nairobi? Or Capetown?

No?

No one at all?

(Jaron listens to the echo of his own voice and his jaw drops to the ground *_* )

I rest my case. This is black government in what was once one of the proudest AMERICAN cities on the continent.

What a paradox though that one of the foulest and blackest cities in the Union has one of the best hockey teams. :lol: I wonder where those guys live. Canada?
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Post by: Savonarola on September 18, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
 :lol:

QuoteThat was an impostor, not Dearing, chatting with us

By BARB ARRIGO
FREE PRESS EDITORIAL WRITER

Jai-Lee Dearing did an end-run on us, I'm sorry to say.

As I'm sure most of you know, we're doing live chats with candidates for council and the charter commission. Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, we can connect with them wherever they are. They do not have to come to the Free Press.

Yesterday, when "Jai-Lee Dearing" was live-chatting with Free Press Editorial and Opinion Editor Stephen Henderson (who is out of the office today, which puts me in the chat seat), Dearing was also live on WCHB with two other council candidates. When challenged about it during the chat, this was the response:

12:19 Jai-Lee Dearing: I have a member of my staff in the studio typing for me

12:19 From Jai-Lee Dearing: and I am approving these answers before they come to you

The cohosts of the radio program, Angelo Henderson and Tracy Henry, have been very clear that no one was showing anything to Mr. Dearing during the broadcast. So I called Michael Carroll, Dearing's campaign manager, and Carroll said that he was, in fact, the one doing the chat with us but that "Jai-Lee and I are of one mind. They're his answers."

Carroll apologized during our phone conversation and said, "It was not our idea to mislead anyone," that Dearing has answered all these questions before, and that not only is Dearing on top of everything happening in Detroit, but he's also got a campaign staff that takes it all seriously, too.

We have told candidates that they may want to have someone with them to help them keep track of the questions, which tend to come in fast, and/or to type what they dictate if they're very slow on the keyboard. Now, unfortunately, we've had to add that if a campaign staffer is doing the chat, the staffer will have to sign in under his or her own name, which is what Mike Carroll should have done, and now concedes.

I know campaigns are high pressure. Carroll said he did not expect the radio show to run as long as it did, but I think we could have done some rescheduling on our end, if necessary. At the least, we would like to have known what was going on, and Carroll should have had better sense than to imply, when challenged, that Dearing was approving each answer.

Anyway, that's what I know as of now. We think the chats provide a useful perspective, with allowance for the fact that not everyone is a keyboard/computer whiz and that some people are bound to have computer problems. That, however, was not the issue yesterday!

Sounds like the perfect man for the job.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 22, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
QuoteRape evidence shelved?
Worthy troubled over how Detroit police handling sex assault kits
BY JOE SWICKARD and CHRIS CHRISTOFF
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy wants an independent investigation into what she says may be thousands of kits holding evidence of possible sexual assaults that were found in a Detroit Police Department evidence storage facility.

In a Sept. 8 letter to Police Chief Warren Evans, Worthy said there may be more than 10,000 so-called rape kits and hundreds of other pieces of evidence warehoused, unanalyzed, in a police "overflow property room." The situation raises fears that cases could be affected if the evidence is challenged in court, Worthy said.

Police spokesman John Roach said Monday that Evans has an internal investigation under way, and that so far, police have found no mishandling of evidence and no cases that have been tainted. Roach also said the evidence is secure.

But Worthy contends in her letter that though the issue predates Evans' administration, the investigation should be handled by an outside agency. Worthy's letter also asks for an immediate meeting, but none has been set.

The police crime lab was shut down a year ago because of an extraordinarily high error rate in firearms cases.

William Winters III, president of the Wayne County Criminal Defense Bar Association, said it may be time for federal authorities to look into the lab and the handling of evidence. "They have the money and resources," he said.

Worthy wants an outsider to conduct police evidence probe

The discredited Detroit Police Department crime lab continues to haunt the criminal justice system a year after it was closed because of errors and mishandled evidence.


Officials have to act decisively to assess thousands of sexual-assault evidence kits found in an evidence facility, and it's going to take an outsider to do it, Worthy told Evans in an urgent letter sent this month.

The problems that closed the police lab "have already raised too many issues within the courts with how evidence has been processed and tested," Worthy wrote in the Sept. 8 letter.

She called the evidence handling "alarming." Worthy's spokesman, Jack Fennessey, said Friday that she was stunned by the reports. He did not return calls Monday.

But Detroit police spokesman John Roach said that, so far, the department's preliminary investigation shows the kits include ones "already processed for criminal investigations, as well as a large number of kits that never required processing because the cases were resolved without the need for DNA evidence."

Those unprocessed kits include cases in which a person didn't want to pursue the charges or the prosecutor declined to issue a warrant, he said. Other cases ended with a plea or involved assaults that would not have left DNA, Roach said.

Boxes of evidence found

Worthy's letter, however, offered a grimmer view, of an evidence room that to her "understanding," was filled with sexual-assault evidence kits, known as rape kits, and other evidence that had not yet been analyzed. The problems have been worsened by the destruction of other, unspecified evidence that needed to be retested because of "the sub par work conducted by the lab," Worthy added in her letter.

Boxes of rape kits were found in an evidence room several weeks ago during a routine inspection of police facilities by Michigan State Police.

The evidence warehouse also had hundreds of other pieces of evidence and case files, some of which, Worthy wrote, is "unmarked and not catalogued in any intelligible way."

If any of the kits are used in court, they are open to challenge "on a number of levels, and my office needs to know the clear gravity of this situation," Worthy wrote.

Roach said the internal probe was under way before Worthy's letter. "Once the internal affairs report is finalized, the chief will determine whether an outside review is necessary, and he will share our findings with the prosecutor," Roach said Monday.

He said judgment should be withheld until the investigation is concluded, and the department "takes sexual assaults very seriously and is committed to making sure all evidence is handled appropriately."

The lab was closed last year after an audit found an error rate of 10% in firearms cases. The entire lab was shut down out of fear the slipshod practices extended to other testing.

Detroit reported 1,264 rapes from 2006 through 2008, according to the latest FBI statistics released last week.

Bigger than just Michigan

Worthy acknowledged that any problems with the rape kits existed before Evans was tapped as police chief, but she said in her letter that an outside agency should lead any investigation. Without independent eyes, the situation "is a huge problem for us, the bench and other parties in the criminal justice system," she wrote.

State Police spokeswoman Shannon Akans said Monday that it's up to the Detroit Police Department to request an audit. No request has been made.

"We don't know how many of the kits were analyzed or not analyzed," Akans said.

Worthy also raised questions in her letter about the department's practices in entering information in rape and other criminal cases into a national DNA databank.

William Winters III, president of the Wayne County Criminal Defense Bar Association, said Worthy's concerns are justified, given the lab's history and the implications for the national databank. "This can affect the whole country," Winters said.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 22, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
QuoteKilpatrick seeks payment delay
Former mayor claims plea deal allows him to halt restitution payments until 2013
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Kwame Kilpatrick wants to make no monthly payments for five years.

That was the deal, claims the lawyer for the ousted former mayor. Kilpatrick agreed to pay $1 million restitution and wants to be left alone until the bill comes due Oct. 28, 2013.

"We have objected to the monthly amount because it violates the original plea agreement," Kilpatrick's lawyer Michael Alan Schwartz said Friday.

Meanwhile, copies of Kilpatrick's pay stubs show his monthly pay as a salesman for Compuware subsidiary Covisint has fallen from $20,000 to $10,000 a month.

"I've heard that people don't like the way he's living. He's got a nice house and a nice car," Schwartz said. "It comes down to how people want the man to suffer, and we don't see that happening. That's not how the justice system is supposed to work."

The Michigan Court of Appeals rejected Kilpatrick's argument Thursday for lack of merit. Schwartz has said his client is considering an appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court.

Kilpatrick made a bargain last year to resign as mayor, serve jail time, give up his law license, pay $1 million and not seek elected office during five years of probation. He pleaded guilty to felony counts of obstruction of justice and assault on an officer in exchange for avoiding trial on charges related to the text message scandal that carried potential sentences of up to 15 years.

Monthly payments of 30 percent of Kilpatrick's income were imposed in March by Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner. Kilpatrick paid $6,000 per month until he sent $3,000 from his Texas home Wednesday, claiming he has stopped receiving advances on anticipated commissions and bonuses.

"The deal was the deal whether you like it or not," Schwartz said. "When you give your word that is your bond. Mr. Kilpatrick pleaded guilty expecting the deal was as it was presented."

However, the Michigan Department of Corrections said waiting until the close of a probationary period before trying to collect restitution would be highly unusual. Judges statewide set monthly payments, said Russell Marlan, spokesman for the prison system.

"We like to see progress. There may be all the great intentions in the world to come in and pay it at the last minute, but we don't like to leave it to that."

The expectation always has been that Kilpatrick will make some additional payments beyond the monthly amount. Even if Kilpatrick were to continue paying $6,000 a month, the city is going to be left more than $500,000 short.

Schwartz said he provided the judge copies of Kilpatrick's most recent twice-monthly pay stubs. Copies obtained by The News show Kilpatrick was paid $5,000 for the two-week period ending Aug. 31, and $5,000 for the period ending Sept. 15.

An additional $60,000 in pay advances is listed on the pay slips. In six months, Kilpatrick has earned $72,000 in base pay plus advances for a total of $132,000.

Schwartz said Kilpatrick has yet to close any sales so he is obligated to repay his advances.

I can't imagine why anyone would want Kwame to suffer punishment for his crimes; that's not at all how the justice system works for the wealthy and privledged.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 22, 2009, 04:24:20 PM
What happened to the Detroit I used to know and almost tolerate?   :(

QuoteDetroit council to debate crackdown on strip clubs
Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The City Council will debate a possible crackdown on the city's 33 topless bars today, including a ban on lap dances and VIP rooms, that one owner calls "un-American."

The changes could keep topless dancers six feet away from customers, on stages at least 18 inches high and in rooms of at least 600 square feet. That would make tipping dancers difficult and eliminate VIP rooms. Most club employees -- from disc jockeys to dishwashers -- also would have to pass background checks and wouldn't get licenses if they've committed specific crimes, including some drug and sexual offenses.

But that's not all. Some religious groups still are pushing for an alcohol ban and a requirement that dancers wear opaque pasties, despite council members who panned going that drastic earlier this summer.

Strip-club owners are promising to go to court, where the city already is facing about five lawsuits related to its regulation of clubs.

"I feel like I am operating in 1930s Russia," said Rob Katzman, owner of the Toy Chest Bar and Grille. "Why should they dictate what someone else enjoys?"

"We are on a high-speed train headed for millions in litigation."

The crackdown emerged earlier this summer, led by religious and neighborhood groups, who say the clubs bring down the city's property values and increase crime.

"They want to use the city of Detroit as their dumping ground of their bottom-feeding, gutter-living behavior," said Richard Mack, an attorney and member of Perfecting Church. "Then they want to go back to their nice, suburban communities."

"It's a shame that poor people, minority people are always the dumping ground for this."

It's not clear how far the city council -- which is in the midst of an election year -- will go in the crackdown. The meeting is at 2 p.m. in City Council chambers.

"We will hear from both sides and go from there," Councilwoman Alberta Tinsley-Talabi said Monday.

Mayor Dave Bing didn't have comment on the proposed changes Monday, which he could veto.

The crackdown stems from a court battle in which a federal judge in 2007 struck down Detroit's regulations on where clubs could open and ordered them rewritten. City staffers have recast the laws, but added tougher proposed restrictions elsewhere.

The city has spent $75,000 to get advice from Scott Bergthold, a Tennessee attorney who has worked nationwide to shut clubs down. And it has settled two federal lawsuits involving strip clubs recently for almost $670,000. The clubs say they bring in more than $3 million annually to Detroit in property taxes and fees, and employ nearly 6,700 people.

Larry Kaplan, executive director of ACE of Michigan, the state association of clubs, said they approached the city's law department about a "stipulated injunction," in which the city would hold off on the changes while the clubs challenged their legality in court.

The clubs would agree not to pursue damages. The law department refused, Kaplan said.

Mack said he believes all the proposals are legal. Similar measures were instituted in Grand Rapids, he said.

I like the part about it being un-American.  This country was founded on gentleman's clubs in low income neighborhoods, by golly, and now the Detroit City Council wants to take it all away.  :mad:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on September 24, 2009, 08:20:06 AM
QuoteKilpatrick probation fight going to court
Worthy says cutting restitution, failing to turn over pensions are violations
BY M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


Months of debate over whether Kwame Kilpatrick violated his probation could be resolved next month, when the former mayor's case returns to court.


Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy forced the issue Wednesday, filing a motion accusing Kilpatrick of violating his probation by cutting his restitution payment in half, failing to turn over his pensions, and ignoring a court order requiring him to disclose information about his personal finances.

"He has flagrantly failed to comply with the term and conditions of his probation and the Orders of this Court," the prosecutor's motion says. The "violations prevent the Court from making an appropriate assessment of his ability to pay the restitution he owes."

Kilpatrick's lawyer Michael Alan Schwartz has said the ex-Detroit mayor properly reduced his monthly restitution payments from $6,000 to $3,000 because his pay dropped by 50%.

Schwartz did not return a phone call Wednesday.

Kilpatrick agreed to pay the City of Detroit $1 million in restitution as part of his guilty plea to two felony charges stemming from the text message scandal. He also served 100 days in jail.

Worthy: Kilpatrick must fork over more
One week after Kilpatrick cut his restitution payments in half, Worthy urged a judge to order the ex-mayor to increase his restitution payment, arguing that Kilpatrick's failure to disclose his assets is a "flagrant and willful" violation of his probation.


The matter is set to go before Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner on Oct. 28.


Kilpatrick attorney Michael Alan Schwartz did not respond to calls seeking comment.


In a motion filed Wednesday, Worthy says Kilpatrick has failed to comply with an order Groner issued earlier this year requiring Kilpatrick to report not only his income, but gifts worth more than $100 that he has received, his wife's assets and any assets being held for him by anyone else. Worthy also says Kilpatrick has not turned over his pensions or a bond he posted, as required by his plea deal with the prosecutor when he pleaded guilty to two counts of obstruction of justice stemming from the text message scandal.


The prosecutor's motion says Kilpatrick "has not made a good faith effort to pay the restitution he owes."


Worthy also cites comments that Schwartz, the Kilpatrick attorney, made earlier this month to the Free Press in which he said that someone other than Kilpatrick was paying the rent on his large home in upscale Southlake, Texas, a suburb of Dallas. Schwartz declined to reveal who was making those payments.


"Clearly, when an unknown third party pays the cost for" Kilpatrick "to live in a million-dollar mansion in a gated community, this is benefit or gift worth more than $100," the prosecutor's brief said.


Schwartz also said Kilpatrick was complying with the terms of his probation. When the ex-mayor reduced his monthly restitution payment from $6,000 to $3,000 earlier this month, Schwartz said that was proper because Kilpatrick's pay dropped by 50%. He noted that Groner's order last March required Kilpatrick to pay 30% restitution each month and not a specific dollar figure.


Kilpatrick is a salesman for Covisint, a subsidiary of Compuware, which pays him a base salary of $10,000 a month. His office is near Dallas. The additional payments of $10,000 a month Kilpatrick had been receiving as an advance ended last month.


Still, Worthy said Kilpatrick should have received Groner's approval before unilaterally lowering his restitution payment.


Kilpatrick agreed to pay the City of Detroit $1 million in restitution as part of his plea deal last year to resolve criminal charges stemming from the text message scandal. He also pleaded guilty to two counts of obstructing justice and served 100 days in jail.


Schwartz has previously argued that Kilpatrick's monthly expenses have left the ex-mayor with only $6 left over at the end of each month.


He said Kilpatrick should not have to make monthly restitution payments. He said Kilpatrick's only obligation should be to pay the $1 million by the end of his 5-year probationary period.


After Groner rejected Kilpatrick's bid to end his monthly restitution payments in March, Schwartz took his case to the Michigan Court of Appeals.


That court rejected his bid last week.


If you or I tried to pull these shenanigans, we'd be behind bars. 

I like how the Kwam-ster's lawyer says he doesn't have to make monthly payments as long as he pays the $1million in five years.  By paying $6 a month?


http://freep.com/article/20090924/NEWS01/909240422/1318/Worthy--Kilpatrick-must-fork-over-more-cash-to-city&template=fullarticle (http://freep.com/article/20090924/NEWS01/909240422/1318/Worthy--Kilpatrick-must-fork-over-more-cash-to-city&template=fullarticle)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: charliebear on September 24, 2009, 08:25:56 AM
Here's a summary for those playing along:

QuoteKilpatrick's repayment to city has been bumpy ride


Just how former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick will pay the city $1 million in restitution has been a controversial matter. A summary of the legal twists:



-- Sept. 4, 2008: Kilpatrick pleads guilty to two felonies in the text message scandal. He is sentenced to 120 days in jail and ordered to pay $1 million in restitution by the time his probation is up in 5 years.



-- March 10: Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner orders Kilpatrick to pay 30% of his salary from his sales job at Covisint, a subsidiary of Compuware, amounting to $6,000 a month. He also is ordered to disclose his assets, those of his wife and any gifts he receives worth more than $100.



-- March 24: Kilpatrick files a motion seeking a change in Groner's restitution terms. He says he has only $6 of his $10,000 monthly salary left over after expenses.



-- May 8: Judge rules against Kilpatrick, says he needs a full picture of Kilpatrick's financial resources to assess what he can pay. Groner notes that Kilpatrick apparently did not pay the upfront costs of his family's leased home in a tony Dallas suburb or gifts of private airline travel and a new Cadillac Escalade.



-- May 29: Kilpatrick appeals Groner's ruling.



-- Sept. 4: Kilpatrick lawyer Michael Alan Schwartz notifies Groner that the ex-mayor henceforth will pay only $3,000 a month in restitution because he is no longer getting advances, effectively cutting his Covisint pay in half.



-- Sept. 8: Groner tells Kilpatrick he first needs to file court papers and produce documentation of his drop in pay. At that point, the judge will decide if the payments should be reduced.



-- Sept. 15: Schwartz replies that his client doesn't need the judge's blessing. Kilpatrick then sends $3,000 to city.



-- Sept. 17: Michigan Court of Appeals denies Kilpatrick appeal.



-- Wednesday: Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy accuses Kilpatrick of "flagrantly" violating probation by lowering his payment; not fully detailing his and his wife's assets or disclosing whether anyone else is holding assets for him, and by not turning over bond and pension money as required.

http://freep.com/article/20090924/NEWS01/909240422/1318/Worthy--Kilpatrick-must-fork-over-more-cash-to-city&template=fullarticle

I kind of like the "I only have $6 left over" defense.  Think that'll work for me?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 24, 2009, 10:56:57 AM
Yet another fine example of how the Detroit Public School System worked prior to state control:

QuoteInquiry shows DPS overpaid millions in real estate deals
Bobb demands answers after investigation raises questions
Marisa Schultz / The Detroit News

Detroit Public Schools overspent millions in taxpayer money in purchases related to the Fisher Building, Cass Technical High School and the Detroit School of Arts, according to an investigation by the district's inspector general.

The findings indicate in several cases that instead of DPS buying the land directly, the property passed through the hands of other agents at considerable markup -- up to seven times its value.

The deals, occurring during a state takeover of the district, were made possible with funds from a $1.5 billion bond issue that voters approved in 1994 as part of a plan to fix dilapidated schools and build more than a dozen others.

  Investigators have found "a gross lack of due diligence in looking after taxpayers' dollars," said inspector general John Bell, a former FBI official who conducted the investigation. Bell indicated that questions remain as to who benefited from the business deals.

Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb is seeking those answers before November, when he's asking voters to approve a new $500 million bond proposal. He'll conduct evidentiary hearings next month.

Among the findings, the investigation shows that DPS:

• Bought five floors of the Fisher Building in 2002 for the new district headquarters for $24.1 million, from a company that in 2001 paid $21.7 million for the whole building.

• Paid $5.6 million for properties for the new Cass Tech and Detroit School of Arts in 2001 and 2002 when the city had appraised the land at $812,800.

• Spent $11.9 million for a property in March 2003 that less than two years earlier was sold for $1.3 million. The buildings on that property, 1425 E. Warren, house the district's support services complex.

• Paid $114.9 million, or $286 per square foot, for the construction of the new Cass Tech High in 2004, well above the state average, DPS noted.

• Spent $13 million upfront for a 99-year lease of property from the city of Detroit. DPS spent nearly $100 million to build Brenda Scott Middle School, Heilmann Elementary and Heilmann Middle schools on the properties. The city will own the schools at the expiration of the lease agreement.

• Paid $121.8 million, or $399 per square foot, for the construction of the Detroit School of Arts in 2004. The district also paid $3.8 million for 200 additional parking spaces that were never used by the school.


In an interview Wednesday, Bobb said he plans to call key witnesses in these deals to testify in unprecedented hearings allowed under the state emergency financial manager statute.

Farbman Group, a Southfield-based real estate firm, is related to several of the transactions, DPS officials say, and representatives could be called as witnesses.

For the land purchases, DPS hired an agent, Interior Systems Inc. of Washington, D.C., to negotiate the best deal, which would have been protocol, experts said.

However, instead of DPS signing all the papers on closing day, the land that now houses the new Cass Tech and the Detroit School of Arts passed through the hands of several agents.

"At some of these properties, the school district instructed ISI to insert another purchaser in there, which in this case was Detroit Property Acquisition -- a Farbman company," Bell said his investigation found. "The net result of that is the price continued to skyrocket in terms of what the district ultimately paid."

In one deal, two parcels valued at about $57,000 were bought by Detroit Property Acquisition for $550,000 and sold immediately to ISI for $701,500. DPS' final purchase price was $743,000 the same day.

"The more we delve into these contracts, the more we just end up shaking our heads," Bell said.

"We come up with more questions than answers. ... How did this happen? Why was this allowed to happen?"

Kenneth Burnley, the CEO of the district between 2000-05, declined comment Wednesday, but said moving DPS headquarters to the Fisher Building was heralded at the time and he has no reason to think differently now.

"It was felt to be a positive for the community," Burnley said. Then-Gov. John Engler, who oversaw the state takeover of the Detroit district, did not respond to a request for comment. And Farbman Group didn't provide further explanation for the real estate deals.

"Farbman Group maintains a positive working relationship with Detroit Public Schools," Michael Layne, a Farbman Group spokesman, said in a statement.

"We maintain an open dialogue and a spirit of cooperation with DPS and always welcome the opportunity to discuss any transactions directly with management."

Investigators haven't been able to indentify any ties between DPS leaders and the main benefactors of these deals.

"Everything you see, you say there must be a relationship," said Diana Sobczak, the DPS deputy inspector general who works with Bell.

"But we can't tie it."

The inspector general's team also questioned the amount paid in project management costs to the group that oversaw the $1.5 billion bond projects.

In anticipation of the bond work, six companies united to form DPS PMT LLC to manage the project. They are Barton Malow, CTE Engineers Inc., Jomar Building Co., Spillis Candela DMJM, W-3 Construction, and A-MAC, according to DPS.

They received nearly $156.2 million in program management fees, that experts said should have been more in the $15 million range. Bobb said he is pursuing the issue so the district can move forward. All who were involved in these deals will be asked to appear as witnesses, he said. Others with information are encouraged to step forward, he added.

Bell said, "There's no criminal penalty for stupidity, but if you can prove a quid-pro-quo, then that's a different story. We want to take this as far as we can take it. And we'll take it wherever it goes."


Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 24, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
That's gotta be deliberate. These are payouts.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on September 24, 2009, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 24, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
That's gotta be deliberate. These are payouts.

Yep that is classic Tammany Hall sorta stuff.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 24, 2009, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 24, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
That's gotta be deliberate. These are payouts.

I would think so too; there are so many, they're so blatant and the school system has a history of corruption.  Proving that will be difficult, though, since the system kept such poor records.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on September 24, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
Detroit News "Living in the D" blogger Dianae McNary learns a valuable lesson about life in the city:

QuoteHere's one reason there's so much garbage on the streets

I was out this weekend, thinking about a follow-up post to my last one about food availability in Detroit and realizing it was a bigger story than an occasional slice-of-life blogger could tackle, when something else happened that left me shaken. It was the kind of encounter that made me ask, yet again, what's wrong with this town? Or maybe, what's wrong with me?

I'll try my best to tell it straight and refrain from editorializing, because I'd like to hear some thoughts. I can share my own later.

Walking to a neighborhood fish market, I was disgusted by the amount of trash blowing around. Sometimes I'll bring a bag along and pick up as much as I can, and I hadn't this time, but I could've been out there all day. It was too much for any one person. Besides, I thought, doesn't it feel futile sometimes? Every few months, there are organized cleanups, then the knuckleheads come along and turn the streets into open dumps all over again. Volunteers - or "society," as some would say - pick up the trash, then more appears. Rinse and repeat.

While I was pondering this, two men walked up to a truck parked in front of me, and the one on the passenger side got in, chucked a pop can onto the sidewalk near my feet and closed the door.

No you didn't, I thought.

What happened next was entirely preventable and I'll never do it again.

I picked up the can, went over and tapped on the window, and said, "I think you dropped something."

"Huh?" he said, rolling down the window about six inches.

"I think you dropped something," I said, offering the can back to him through the window.

"Huh?"

"Is this yours?"

"Yeah."

"And you need to throw it away?"

"I did."

"No, you threw it on the sidewalk. You meant to throw it in a trash can, right?"

"Huh?" He made no effort to take the can back though it was well inside the window and in front of his face.

"This is yours and it belongs in a trash can," I said, dropping it into his lap and walking away.

Like a switch had been flipped, he went from dazed to a raging bull. He let out a stream of expletives and threw the can as hard as he could toward my back. It missed and I bent over and picked it up.

"OK, I'll throw it in the trash for you," I said as I turned away while he continued to verbally assault me.

As I walked away, a glass bottle flew by me, shattering on a wall, and the man's yelling became louder and more threatening. I turned around, and, careful not to raise my voice, said, "I said I'd throw it in the trash for you."

He was out of the truck, stomping toward me as the driver warned him to stop.

"Nah, I'm fitting to f*** this b**** up!" the very large, very angry man yelled as he advanced toward me. I kept walking, expecting to be knocked to the ground from behind, wishing I'd worn my ugly sunglasses with the rear-view mirrors, saying my prayers.

For whatever reason - maybe he listened to his friend or maybe he realized an assault on a woman on a busy street was a bad idea - he retreated to the truck. The fish market - where I was headed in the first place - was on the next block and I got inside before I heard the truck starting up.

With my heart beating like a bass drum, I bought some fish and walked back home.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: HVC on September 24, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 24, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
Detroit News "Living in the D" blogger Dianae McNary learns a valuable lesson about life in the city:
Don't be a bitch?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Neil on September 24, 2009, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 24, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 24, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
Detroit News "Living in the D" blogger Dianae McNary learns a valuable lesson about life in the city:
Don't be a bitch?
Wrong.  Don't take pride in your city, when that city is Detroit.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 24, 2009, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 24, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Don't be a bitch?
Are you serious?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: HVC on September 24, 2009, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 24, 2009, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 24, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Don't be a bitch?
Are you serious?
Dropping it in his lap. which, since she's the author, i assume is the mild version.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on September 24, 2009, 07:58:37 PM
Neil has it right.  Detroit is a lost cause.  Honest people should leave so that it can be leveled without harming innocents.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 24, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 24, 2009, 07:58:37 PM
Neil has it right.  Detroit is a lost cause.  Honest people should leave so that it can be leveled without harming innocents.

Look how well that worked in Gaza. :contract:

...Not that I actually disagree with either of you; just being contrarian. :hug:

EDIT: BTW, I sat back with a calculator and if Kwame's supposed to pay a million back in 5 years, he should actually be paying about $16,700 a month, so I think he's gotten as much of a break on the payment as he's going to.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on September 25, 2009, 09:34:57 AM
I found this on another site and I immediately thought you would like it, Sav - even the dead are leaving Detroit!

Quotehttp://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080812/METRO08/808120367/1408/LOCAL

Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Flight of the dead: Suburban families move loved ones from Detroit cemeteries

Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

CLINTON TOWNSHIP-- At precisely 8:57 a.m., under an overcast sky, Francesco and Francesca Imbrunone were re-laid to rest. A man in a dark suit stood over their remains proclaiming that they "await the resurrection."

If that promise holds true, then it would be, in a way, the Imbrunones' second resurrection. As it happens, the couple was buried nearly 50 years ago in Detroit's Mount Olivet Cemetery on the city's east side. Then their grandchildren decided to disinter them, move them to the leafier suburbs and bury them again this particular morning.

"He'd complain, 'Why did you spend the money?' " said Francesco's granddaughter, Gerry Seip. "My grandmother? She'd just cry."

By now the statistics are as well known in London as they are in Livonia. Detroit has lost half its population since its heyday of the 1950s, and every year the city hemorrhages an estimated 5,000 people more. First it was white flight to the suburbs; then with the city's continued spiral into poverty and violence, blacks began to flee to those same suburbs.

And while census figures show that whites are returning to some of the nation's largest cities, Detroit is experiencing a flight of a different kind. As the Imbrunones' second funeral demonstrates, Detroit is experiencing the flight of the dead.

The movement of the dead from the nation's largest black city to its overwhelmingly white suburbs is a small, though socially symbolic phenomenon, revealing the grinding problems of race, crime and economics that plague both sides of Eight Mile.

From 2002 through 2007, the remains of about 1,000 people have been disinterred and moved out of the city, according to permits stored in metal filing cabinets in the city's department of health. Looked at in another way, for about every 30 living human beings who leave Detroit, one dead human being follows. Moreover, anecdotal evidence compiled by a Detroit professor suggests the figure may be twice as high, meaning city records may be incomplete and that thousands upon thousands of deceased people have been relocated from the city over the past 20 years.

Moving to Macomb

The practice appears to be most common among families like the Imbrunones: former east side Catholic Detroiters who moved to Macomb County years ago, miles away from their dearly departed. The cemetery that appears to lose the most is Mount Olivet, located in the heart of the wild east side, with about 100 disinterments a year. The destination of choice seems to be Resurrection Cemetery in Clinton Township, which is now home to 11 members of the Imbrunone family.

Although there is little information or statistical evidence regarding the phenomenon across the country, it is quite likely that Detroit and its surrounding communities lead the way, as it does in population loss among the living.

The reasons are two-fold, surmises Patrick Lynch, a Clawson funeral home director and executive board member of the National Funeral Directors Association. "People have to drive to a place that may take them through neighborhoods they otherwise may never go," he said. "Their safety might be compromised. Whether that is real or perceived, it's real to them.

"Second, families have left the city and they want to bring their family members closer to them," Lynch said. "People have grown older and they simply don't or can't drive to the city anymore. They want to be near to those they love."

Such is the case with the Imbrunone clan, whose patriarch Francesco came from Sicily to America in the hull of a ship in 1902 and made his new life in Detroit. He was an anonymous man, a laborer who lived in boarding houses and swept factory floors. He would return to Italy occasionally until his wife Francesca demanded that he bring her and their children to the United States in 1937.

Three generations of the Imbrunones made a home on the east side of Detroit near Harper and Gratiot where the trolley cars turned around, a place the Italians called Caccalupo. It was nine people in a first floor flat.

Francesco was a simple man, who drank only wine and is said to have washed his face with his mouth closed so that no water would touch his palate. His wife Francesca never learned English, but taught her granddaughters Italian. They attended Mass together and the family sold vegetables at Eastern Market, saved its money, and bought property in 1960 in St. Clair Shores. Francesco died a few months before the family left the city. He died happy, by all accounts. He went to nap with a belly-full of pasta and never awoke.
"He knew," said his granddaughter, Fran Palazzolo, 61. "He couldn't go. He didn't want to leave Detroit. But I guess he finally had to."

For fear, convenience

The granddaughters, being the next of kin, elected to pay the approximately $5,000 to move their grandparents to Macomb County because they wanted to be closer to them. "In our family you don't forget about your people," Palazzolo said. "I hope that's human. It's at least Italian."

Love. That was one part of the decision. There is another.

"To tell you the truth, yes, it's fear," Palazzolo said. "Have you been to Detroit? I pray the car doesn't break down. I cringe when I drive down Gratiot. I'm worried for my life. There's a lot of bad people in Detroit. But to tell you the truth, there's a lot of bad people out here. But at least we're closer this way."

Earlier this summer Peter Cracchiolo, 89, of Grosse Pointe Shores, removed his mother and sister from Mount Olivet and relocated them to Resurrection. Cracchiolo, too, grew up on the city's east side and his family was part of the great white exodus. His explanation for moving his dearly departed was convenience, though the Detroit cemetery is closer to his home.

"I've already got relatives up there," he said of the suburban cemetery. "I've got friends up there. It's one-stop visiting this way. Me, I don't forget my people. No sir."


The children of Jack W. Noble Sr. moved their father in May to the Great Lakes National Cemetery in Holly from Gethsemane Cemetery in Detroit, citing the poor condition and upkeep of the cemetery, according to a permit filed with the city.

Dr. Stephen Vogel, dean of architecture at the University of Detroit Mercy, believes the out-migration of the dead from Detroit is undercounted.

He and his researchers conducted a study three years ago, interviewing the director of each of Detroit's 28 cemeteries. According to that study, about 400 to 500 disinterments occur each year.

"What it says to me is that there is a deeply ingrained fear on the part of suburbanites in terms of their attitude toward the city and its hold is very powerful and very deep," Vogel said. "When they're afraid to cross Eight Mile to visit a cemetery, it tells you what we're up against and any solutions are not going to be easy."

Which is not to say that cemeteries like Mount Olivet are emptying out. In fact, 1,200 burials a year are conducted at Mount Olivet since the cemetery made the decision 10 years ago to allow non-Catholics to enter, said Mark Gracely, the cemetery's director. "We've even had people mail us cremated remains from Florida," he said.

As for the Imbrunones, their family took the headstones with them and the cost of the old plot was applied toward the new plot.

In the meantime, the old east side home of the family has been razed; leaving no physical memory of the humble lives lived by Francesco and Francesca Imbrunone.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 25, 2009, 09:34:57 AM
I found this on another site and I immediately thought you would like it, Sav - even the dead are leaving Detroit!

This will hurt the poll numbers in the upcoming election.   :(
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Post by: Berkut on September 25, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
When you read a story like that, I wonder what the person who is the subject of the story thinks when they read it?

Of course, the answer is almost certainly that they did NOT read it, but lets say they did.

Do they really not understand how they are creating their own problems - that at least *some* portion of their poverty and shitty life is a result of their own actions?

Detroit might be poor, but it doesn't have to be a pig sty - it is that way because of the actions of the people who live there.

I have to conclude that this is just another example of the power of humans to simply not connect their actions to the world they live in. I am often very impressed at the lengths the human mind can go to keep that wall up.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 25, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
My great grandmother is buried in Mt. Olivet cemetery.  Her funeral was in the mid-80s when I was about 13.  I remember that we had to give the funeral director a ride because his car had been stolen during the service.
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Post by: Malthus on September 25, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 25, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
When you read a story like that, I wonder what the person who is the subject of the story thinks when they read it?

Of course, the answer is almost certainly that they did NOT read it, but lets say they did.

Do they really not understand how they are creating their own problems - that at least *some* portion of their poverty and shitty life is a result of their own actions?

Detroit might be poor, but it doesn't have to be a pig sty - it is that way because of the actions of the people who live there.

I have to conclude that this is just another example of the power of humans to simply not connect their actions to the world they live in. I am often very impressed at the lengths the human mind can go to keep that wall up.

From what I've read I suspect that may of 'em would be of the opinion, should they read it, that such stories display the racism of the suburbanites moving their dead.
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Post by: Berkut on September 25, 2009, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 25, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 25, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
When you read a story like that, I wonder what the person who is the subject of the story thinks when they read it?

Of course, the answer is almost certainly that they did NOT read it, but lets say they did.

Do they really not understand how they are creating their own problems - that at least *some* portion of their poverty and shitty life is a result of their own actions?

Detroit might be poor, but it doesn't have to be a pig sty - it is that way because of the actions of the people who live there.

I have to conclude that this is just another example of the power of humans to simply not connect their actions to the world they live in. I am often very impressed at the lengths the human mind can go to keep that wall up.

From what I've read I suspect that may of 'em would be of the opinion, should they read it, that such stories display the racism of the suburbanites moving their dead.

Talking about the story above that - about the guy getting pissed at the woman who told him to pick up his trash.
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Post by: Neil on September 25, 2009, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 24, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 24, 2009, 07:58:37 PM
Neil has it right.  Detroit is a lost cause.  Honest people should leave so that it can be leveled without harming innocents.

Look how well that worked in Gaza. :contract:
Would anybody really care if Detroit started firing rockets into Michigan or Southern Ontario?
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 25, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 25, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
My great grandmother is buried in Mt. Olivet cemetery.  Her funeral was in the mid-80s when I was about 13.  I remember that we had to give the funeral director a ride because his car had been stolen during the service.


:lmfao: I'm sorry for laughing. I'm a bad person.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 25, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 25, 2009, 01:11:21 PM
Would anybody really care if Detroit started firing rockets into Michigan or Southern Ontario?

They should leave the Hamiltonians alone.
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Post by: Malthus on September 25, 2009, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 25, 2009, 01:11:21 PM
Would anybody really care if Detroit started firing rockets into Michigan or Southern Ontario?

This is Detroit we're talking about.

The rocket budget would go to pay off various politicians and there would only be enough to buy a single squib, which would fail to explode - whereupon those same politicans would issue press conferences denouncing Whities' crappy racist rocket sales. 
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Post by: Savonarola on September 29, 2009, 02:50:40 PM
A major work of fiction is coming soon to the desk of Kym Worthy.

QuoteWorthy wants Kilpatrick's books in 10 days
BY M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy wants a judge to give ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick 10 days to reveal his assets.

In a motion the Free Press just obtained, the prosecutor says she needs the information before a scheduled Oct. 28 hearing she requested to determine Kilpatrick's ability to make timely restitution on the $1 million he owes the City of Detroit stemming from the text-message scandal.

Worthy is also seeking financial information from Kilpatrick's "immediate family," the latest indication that Worthy suspects that some assets are in the name or control of Carlita Kilpatrick, the ex-mayor's wife.

Worthy has accused Kwame Kilpatrick of violating his probation for, among other things, lowering his monthly restitution payment this month from $6,000 to $3,000 without prior court approval.

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Post by: Savonarola on September 29, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Want to move to Detroit?

QuoteDetroit's fight against vacant land gets tougher
Tax foreclosures skyrocket
BY JOHN GALLAGHER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

In case anyone doubted it, Detroit's vacant land problem, already bad, is getting worse in a hurry.

The number of tax-delinquent properties listed for sale in Wayne County's annual auction beginning Oct. 19 has swelled to almost 9,000 this year, from about 2,000 properties in 2007, said Terrance Keith, Wayne County's deputy treasurer.

The vast majority of those parcels are vacant lots in Detroit, he said, and most are unlikely to find buyers at the annual tax auction.

Detroit already suffers more vacancy than any city in the nation, except perhaps post-Katrina New Orleans, urban planners and academic researchers said. An estimated 40 square miles of the city's 139 square miles of land are now vacant, an amount of land roughly the size of San Francisco or Boston.

The extent of the tax foreclosures underscores the efforts by Mayor Dave Bing, planners and activists in and out of city government to find new purposes for the land, including urban agriculture and greenways.

The foreclosure crisis has added significantly to the problem. Detroit's Office of Foreclosure Prevention said last week that 17.3% of Detroit's residences had gone through foreclosure through the end of 2008, with many more added this year.

Some fear tax auctions only add to problem of abandoned property

At the corner of Freud and Dickerson on Detroit's east side, a parcel of vacant land stretches seemingly for blocks without a single house or other structure on it.

Five lots on that stretch will go up for auction in mid-October as part of Wayne County's annual sale of properties seized because of unpaid property taxes. The lots are small, 30 to 40 feet wide by 100 feet deep, and in a better real estate market, they might fetch a buyer.

But there's a good chance they won't sell at all, because most properties offered at the county's annual land sale don't, said Terrance Keith, Wayne County's deputy treasurer. And that means those lots might stay in the county's inventory or revert to the City of Detroit, which already owns tens of thousands of unwanted parcels.

Huge problem is growing

The county's annual auction, which is to be held this year beginning Oct. 19, provides a look at Detroit's vacant-land problem. That problem is huge, and it's growing.

The latest U.S. Postal Service data show that as of June, about 17% of Detroit's addresses appeared to be vacant. That didn't count thousands of other vacant lots to which the postal service no longer tries to deliver mail.

Two years ago, during the 2007 auction, the county listed about 2,000 tax-delinquent properties for sale, Keith said. This year, following the collapse of the real estate market and the nation's economy, almost 9,000 properties are to go on the block during the auction, which can last up to three days.

The vast majority of those parcels are vacant lots in Detroit, Keith said, and if history is a guide, most of those won't sell.

The problem of what to do with tax-foreclosed property is a question contained within the larger debate about Detroit's growing vacancy. Planners and activists have suggested many solutions, from turning the land into urban farms to somehow repopulating it with the help of billions of dollars in federal aid, if such aid ever becomes available.

In the meantime, many critics said that using a tax-foreclosure auction to dispose of the land probably makes the vacancy problem worse, not better.

Speculators take advantage

Margaret Dewar, a professor of urban planning at the University of Michigan, said last week that the most common buyers at tax auctions are speculators, based either locally or around the country. They hope to buy cheap land and flip the properties for a quick profit.

She contended that more deserving groups that should get control of the land, like neighborhood community nonprofits or homeowners who want to buy the lot next to them, often lose out to the speculators.

"Tax auctions are a very bad mechanism for taking any control of what your city becomes," Dewar said.

Dan Kildee, the treasurer of Genesee County, where Flint is located, also dislikes the auction process. Kildee chairs the Genesee County Land Bank and arranges for sales of tax-delinquent land on a negotiated, parcel-by-parcel basis, cutting out speculators.

"It's pretty unusual that the auction produces a responsible investor," Kildee said.

In a notable example of what can happen, two local speculators bought a parking lot belonging to the Perfecting Church on Detroit's east side at the county's 2003 tax auction without the knowledge of the church, which didn't realize its lot was being auctioned off in error.

The buyers offered to sell the lot back to Perfecting Church. The church sued instead, but it had to go all the way to the Michigan Supreme Court before getting its property back.

How the process works

Keith agreed that that the auction method of disposing of surplus property isn't the best. It just happens to be the one outlined under state law, and one that almost all counties in Michigan use.

Keith said he would like to see changes in state law making it easier for property owners to avoid foreclosure and hang on to their properties, so the parcels don't wind up in the annual auction.

In the meantime, the county will carry on with the annual sale. There are actually two auction sales each year. The first, in mid-September, requires buyers to bid at least the amount of delinquent taxes due on a property, which can run into many thousands of dollars.

Few people buy at that sale, waiting for the follow-up auction in mid-October, when the minimum bid drops to $500 per parcel.

Keith used the example of a vacant building with $15,000 in delinquent taxes due on it. "In a hot economy, the $15,000 would be a bargain," he said. "In the economy that we have now, that's an outrageous price, a significantly overstated value, given the market conditions."

Other counties also auction properties seized for delinquent property taxes, but no county has the volume that Wayne County does because of the Detroit parcels.

Oakland County, for example, will auction tax-delinquent property beginning Oct. 13, but the county treasurer's Web site lists only a few hundred parcels for sale.

Of course this isn't a surprise; sub-prime mortgages were targeted at minorities, the city population is shrinking and the economy is terrible.  Naturally there are going to be a lot more properties on the auction block.  Still, just how abandoned the city is becoming is surprising.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 29, 2009, 03:19:37 PM
So do the auctions start the price on the delinquency amount, or can I sweep in and buy up several square miles of Detroit for fifty bucks of there aren't any other buyers?



I'd like to build a monument to Brutus Buckeye there.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 29, 2009, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 29, 2009, 03:19:37 PM
So do the auctions start the price on the delinquency amount, or can I sweep in and buy up several square miles of Detroit for fifty bucks of there aren't any other buyers?



I'd like to build a monument to Brutus Buckeye there.

At the first auction the minimum bid is the property taxes owed on the parcel.  At the second aution (held a couple weeks later) the minimum bid is $500.

You might want to save your money; most of the neighborhoods in Detroit with large amounts of abandoned property don't usually have a lot of University of Michigan graduates.
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Post by: Ed Anger on September 29, 2009, 04:36:18 PM
Brutus must be worshipped.
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Post by: Neil on September 29, 2009, 07:59:52 PM
You know, this would be an awesome opportunity for OCP to buy up Detroit and build a new, better city.  However, that could never happen in the real world.  Even if somebody bought all the land, they'd still have to deal with the Detroit municipal goverment, elected by the lunatics that populate Detroit.
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Post by: garbon on September 29, 2009, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 07:59:52 PM
they'd still have to deal with the Detroit municipal goverment, elected by the lunatics that populate Detroit.

Well they can be bought too.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 01, 2009, 10:42:44 AM
A tree grows in the D.

QuoteNature takes root as Detroit's Lafayette Building rots
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
A poplar tree stands atop the historic Lafayette Building in the heart of Detroit. Her crown reaches 20 feet above the terra cotta cornice, her roots puncturing deep into the roof. Her leaves are yellowing and crisp. They sing a forlorn little tune.

The tree is in the last days of her life.

Demolition of the landmark building -- sitting on a pie-sliced plot bound by Michigan Avenue, Shelby Street and Lafayette Boulevard -- began in September and is expected to be completed by March.

And when the building goes down, so too will the poplar, which has become something of a symbol of a great city's backward march to nature.

The view from her trunk is telling of our times. The former Federal Reserve Bank is empty while the Federal Court House is full. The monstrous Ford River Rouge automobile factory works at a fraction of its capacity. The grandiose Penobscot Building is in foreclosure proceedings. Ford Field, host of the great distraction of professional football, squats to the north. Directly below are the American and Lafayette Coney Island restaurants, both of which claim to be the first in the United States.

"It's an epic battle trying to control nature and it looks like we lost," said Jay Sawson, a laborer for Adamo Demolition Co. who escorted a reporter up the 276 crumbling steps to the roof. "Without constant maintenance, buildings fall. That's the way nature works. This tree. It's interesting, it's beautiful, but the tree destroyed this building."

The building -- completed in 1924 -- was permanently closed a decade ago. A seed -- brought either by bird or wind -- took root. Other trees have sprouted. There are two other large poplars and a dozen saplings turning the roof into forest. There is also sweet grass and field daisies and moss. In the interior, on the seventh floor, a set of yellowed-curtains billow in the windowless frame. The innards of the Lafayette resemble the aftermath at ground zero, having been set upon by vandals and scavengers and nature.

The history of the building on which the poplar grows suggests that as much as we would like to pine for the glory days, the glory days were never really that good.

That the more things change in Detroit, the more they remain the same. The decline of this city has been a longtime run.

The triangle of the Lafayette Building was once known as the Bressler Block and featured small landmark buildings.

The land was purchased by the Edsel Ford family in 1910 and sold seven years later. The Bressler buildings were razed to make room for the Lafayette, an Italian Renaissance structure with a v-shaped design built by a syndicate that promised "Michigan's finest office building."

And it was among them, featuring 14 floors trimmed in walnut and marble and bronze.

The city boomed. The nearby Book-Cadillac Building was built around the same time and the Free Press Building a few years later.

Nevertheless, the Lafayette building had financial problems from almost the day it opened. Like the Michigan Central Depot, it was never fully occupied, despite tenants such as the Michigan Supreme Court and some railroad companies. In the early '30s, the owners defaulted on the taxes.

The building limped along during the war and the auto boom of the late '40s and early '50s. Then a series of events combined to cripple the city and doom the Lafayette.

In 1950, Deere and Company of Moline, Ill., began the mass manufacture of the two-row mechanized cotton-picker, making thousands of Southern sharecroppers -- both black and white -- irrelevant. Over that decade, the Detroit black population grew from 300,000 to a half-million, many of them poor people from the South looking for work that was not here. During the same time, a million -- mostly white -- people moved to the suburbs. In 1956, Packard closed its east-side plant. In 1958, a deep recession struck, sending 20 percent of working Detroiters to the unemployment line. Still, the city paid generous welfare benefits, and people kept coming.

During all this, the Lafayette -- like much of downtown -- began to empty out and fall into disrepair. The building was sold in 1961 to the Tenney Realty Corp of New York, one of the largest real estate investment companies in the country. Its partners believed their investment in the Lafayette would "grow with the renaissance of downtown Detroit," according to an article in The News.

The mayor at the time was Louis Miriani, who would later serve a year in prison for enriching himself while in office and failing to report the income or pay taxes.

The expected renaissance of Detroit did not happen. The riots of 1967 led to more white and capital flight and the Lafayette was bought and sold a number of times. In 1988, it was purchased by J. Wolf Realty of Brooklyn, N.Y. for $3.3 million, just $300,000 more than it cost to build 65 years earlier.

"We feel the downtown will turn around," Abe Fastener, a partner, told The News then.

Years of mismanagement ensued. The Supreme Court moved out. The building was boarded up in 1997 and turned over to the city.

Sometime after that, the poplar took root.

Soon, the poplar and the building will be gone and the only physical memories of them will be photographs and the yellowed newspaper clippings made from trees.

"Nothing lasts forever," said Sawson the laborer. "Nothing that man makes, anyway."
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Post by: charliebear on October 02, 2009, 07:53:25 AM
Aha!  We are finally going to find out who killed the stripper.

QuoteDancer's murder probe reassigned to task force
BY BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER



Detroit Police Chief Warren Evans has reassigned the investigation into the death of Tamara Greene to the multi-jurisdictional Violent Crimes Task Force.

Evans said he considers the task force, comprised of Detroit Police, FBI, Wayne County Sheriff's and State Police investigators, to be an elite unit.


"People have an expectation that cases should be thoroughly investigated," Evans said. "Whether this was or wasn't, people don't believe it was. The task force has great cops who are great investigators."


Greene, an exotic dancer nicknamed Strawberry, was shot and killed in a Detroit drive-by shooting on April 30, 2003. No one has been arrested in connection with her death.


Greene's slaying has drawn attention because of a never-proven party some say former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick held at the Manoogian Mansion, then the city's mayoral residence. Some say Greene, whose stage name was Strawberry, danced at the fall 2002 party and was later assaulted by Kilpatrick's wife.


Coincidentally, a former Detroit police investigator from the task force claims in a lawsuit that he was transferred for looking into other allegations about Kilpatrick.


Ira Todd asserted that he was transferred from the task force after he turned up an allegation linking Kilpatrick to a reputed upper-level drug dealer.


Todd said in the lawsuit filed last year that he established a possible link between alleged hit man Vincent Smothers and a reputed drug dealer in Lexington, Ky., who claimed to have personal and professional connections to Kilpatrick.


After telling his superiors about the drug dealer's claims, Todd said, he was transferred.


Evans said he read this week depositions given by some of Todd's colleagues, including a sheriff's employee whom Evans trusts.


"These depositions jarred my mind about the Tamara Greene case, because it's another case that doesn't have closure," Evans said.


http://freep.com/article/20091001/NEWS01/91001085/1320/Dancer-s-murder-probe-reassigned (http://freep.com/article/20091001/NEWS01/91001085/1320/Dancer-s-murder-probe-reassigned)



Drugs, conspiracies, the mayor's wife...this is getting good.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 02, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
QuoteDetroit school board member testifies in assault trial
Board member Thornton tells trial that she shoved heckler 'after he bumped into me'
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News
Detroit --Her accuser assaulted her, Detroit Public School Board member Marie Thornton testified Wednesday in the third day of her misdemeanor assault and disorderly conduct trial.

The Rev. Loyce Lester accused Thornton of knocking him down with a forearm and spilling gravy on his suit after a typically raucous Detroit School Board meeting Sept. 13, 2007.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy charged Thornton with misdemeanors punishable by fines and up to 90 days in jail. After almost two years of legal challenges, the woman who has been sanctioned by fellow board members seven times for unbecoming conduct is on trial in the city's 36th District Court.


But Thornton testified Wednesday that Lester is the one who should have been charged. She's on trial, she said, because she has exposed wrongdoing as a board member and because Lester is chairman of a subcommittee that oversees and controls the school district's in-house police department. He isn't a member of the school board, but she said he regularly attended meetings and heckled members.

"The officers didn't come to my defense," Thornton said. "I feel they didn't come because of all the stuff I've done, all the investigations I've done."

Witnesses testified that Lester shouted crude remarks from the audience throughout the meeting. His comments were particularly aimed at female board members. They included uncomplimentary taunts about hairdos and dresses. Shouting objections from the audience is a tradition in Detroit, which even Thornton admitted she participated in before being elected to the board four years ago.

After the meeting, witnesses said Lester thrust his belly against Thornton's. Thornton suggested the jostling was sexual.

"I felt degraded," Thornton said. "I had never been sexually assaulted, but it made me think of those people who get raped. It made me feel like I didn't want to talk about it."

The two engaged in a loud, crude shouting match. Witnesses said Lester made obscene threats. Thornton admitted, "I said things that I don't normally say."

The pastor of Original New Grace Baptist Church in Detroit has a violent past. Lester pleaded no contest in 1992 to felony solicitation of assault. He said he beat the man with a golf club.

Thornton on Wednesday said, "I shoved him. I shoved him out of my space after he bumped into me."

We have the best traditions in Detroit.   :)
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Post by: charliebear on October 02, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 02, 2009, 04:04:56 PM


The Rev. Loyce Lester accused Thornton of knocking him down with a forearm and spilling gravy on his suit after a typically raucous Detroit School Board meeting Sept. 13, 2007.


By chance, was that the same meeting where members of the audience were pelting the school board folks with grapes?
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Post by: sbr on October 03, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8288149.stm

QuoteA man from the US city of Detroit has been sentenced to two years in jail after stealing the car of a woman he was on a first date with.

After a restaurant meal, Terrance McCoy said he left his wallet in the woman's car, asked for the keys and drove off, AP reported, quoting the woman.

McCoy pleaded no contest to the charge of unlawfully driving away a vehicle.

Defence lawyer Terri Antisdale said his client was "a very nice man who made a bad decision".

A no contest plea is not an admission of guilt under US law but counts as a conviction at sentencing.
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Post by: charliebear on October 05, 2009, 08:54:09 AM
QuotePiece be with you: Detroit pastors packing heat

DETROIT - The Rev. Lawrence Adams teaches his flock at the Westside Bible Church to turn the other cheek. Just in case, though, the 54-year-old retired police lieutenant also wears a handgun under his robe.

Adams is one of several Detroit clergymen who have taken to packing heat in the pulpit. They have committed their lives to a man who preached nonviolence and told followers to love their enemies. But they also say it's up to them to protect their parishioners in church.

"As a pastor, I'm referred to as a shepherd," Adams said. "Shepherds have the responsibility of watching over their flock. Do I want to hurt somebody? Absolutely not!"

Responding to a break-in at his church Sunday evening, Adams surprised a burglar carrying out a bag of loot and shot the man in the abdomen after the man swung the bag at him.

The burglar survived — for which Adams is grateful — but the reverend said he could have been hurt or killed if he had not been armed.

Detroit had the nation's highest homicide rate last year among cities of at least 500,000 residents. The city has been losing manufacturing jobs for decades, and these days about one in four working-age residents is without a job.

The northwest Detroit neighborhood surrounding Adams' church isn't one of the city's most dangerous. But there have been many recent reports of crimes in the area, including four burglaries, three auto thefts, one armed robbery and four assaults, including one with intent to murder.

"It's getting worse because of the economy," Adams said. "People are out of work and feel they have to provide for their families."

Prior to 2000, anyone who wanted to carry a concealed weapon in Michigan had to show a need to do so. Now, gun owners simply have to pass a stringent background check and complete eight hours of handgun training.

"I get people from all walks of life, including pastors," said Rick Ector, owner of Rick's Firearm Academy in Detroit. "But it's not anything specific to pastors. Detroit is not a very safe place."

Michigan allows pastors to decide if someone registered to carry a handgun can do so for protection inside churches.

The clergy in Detroit who arm themselves say they do so because of the high overall crime rate. But churchgoers elsewhere have been the target of violent attacks several times in recent years:

Last year in a New Jersey church, a man fatally shot his estranged wife and a man who intervened in the attack.
A pastor was found stabbed to death in August in an Oklahoma church.
A Maryville, Illinois, preacher was gunned down during his Sunday sermon in March.
In December 2007, a gunman killed two people at a Christian youth mission center near Denver and two others at a megachurch in Colorado Springs.
Near Detroit, a man was shot to death in 2003 while worshipping in a Catholic church. And an attacker fatally shot a woman and wounded a child inside another Detroit church three years ago because of a domestic dispute.
"I don't know what kind of issues people are bringing with them. You could be running from estranged husband, boyfriend," said Bishop Charles Ellis III, pastor of the 6,500-member Greater Grace Temple in Detroit.

Ellis said he sometimes carries a gun, but never in the pulpit. His church has a "ministry of defense" for Sunday services made up of about 18 armed congregants who are off-duty law enforcement officers.
Clergy are adjusting to society, said the Rev. Kenneth J. Flowers, pastor of Greater New Mt. Moriah Baptist Church in Detroit.

"In addition to their faith, they are carrying weapons," said Flowers, who does not carry a gun. "There used to be a time when everybody respected a pastor. Even a drunk would straighten up if a preacher came by."

Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of an armed clergy, because Christ preached against violence and taught people they should love their enemies.

"But the scriptures also are clear that civil authority is part of God's plan," said Claude Wiggins, a former pastor and current assistant at the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.

"In our country, it says in due process that you may bear arms to protect yourself. While we should be committed to trusting God, that doesn't prevent us or command us to be totally passive," Wiggins said.

'What would Jesus do?'
Al Meredith, pastor of the Wedgwood church in Fort Worth, said some off-duty police officers who are deacons at his church carry guns, but he's uncomfortable with the idea of an armed congregation.

"It discourages the crazies from acts of violence if they see uniforms around, but I don't want everybody bringing guns," Meredith said. "My ultimate conviction is what does the word of God say and what would Jesus do? Can you in your wildest imagination ever see Jesus packing a .38? I can't imagine Peter and Paul carrying .45s."

The Rev. William Revely, who sometimes wears his .357-caliber handgun while preaching at the Holy Hope Heritage Church in Detroit, does not worry whether it might be wrong for a man of God to carry a firearm in church.

"I've always felt that the only way to handle a bear in a bear meeting is to have something you can handle a bear with," said the 68-year-old pastor, who practices at a gun range with another pastor. "We have to be realistic. I know too many people who've been shot, carjacked."

Adams said most — if not all — of Westside's 50 members have supported his actions after encountering the burglar.

"People want to look at Christians and the church as believers in God and ask 'Why doesn't God protect you?" Adams said. "The reality is God has given man free will. We have to use our God-given talents and protect ourselves."


So there you have it.
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Post by: Malthus on October 05, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 03, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8288149.stm

QuoteA man from the US city of Detroit has been sentenced to two years in jail after stealing the car of a woman he was on a first date with.

After a restaurant meal, Terrance McCoy said he left his wallet in the woman's car, asked for the keys and drove off, AP reported, quoting the woman.

McCoy pleaded no contest to the charge of unlawfully driving away a vehicle.

Defence lawyer Terri Antisdale said his client was "a very nice man who made a bad decision".

A no contest plea is not an admission of guilt under US law but counts as a conviction at sentencing.

So ... did he get a second date, or what?  ;)
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Post by: DGuller on October 05, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 05, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
So ... did he get a second date, or what?  ;)
I wouldn't be surprised.  Chicks dig guys with cars.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2009, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 05, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
So ... did he get a second date, or what?  ;)
I wouldn't be surprised.  Chicks dig guys with cars.
She probably believes she can change him.
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Post by: Malthus on October 06, 2009, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2009, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 05, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
So ... did he get a second date, or what?  ;)
I wouldn't be surprised.  Chicks dig guys with cars.
She probably believes she can change him.

She already did.

From a guy without a car, into a guy with a car; and finally, into a guy with a jail sentence.  ;)
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
I'll bet the Detroit City Council is glad they agreed to save Cobo Hall now:

QuoteChaos erupts at Cobo as thousands jockey for federal aid
6 injured as long lines of Detroiters waited for chance to get fed help to pay their bills

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George Hunter, Charlie LeDuff and Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The lure of federal cash assistance for needy Detroit families sparked pandemonium Wednesday at Cobo Center, as hundreds of city residents pushed, jostled and trampled others in a rush to apply for the aid.

In a scene that spoke volumes about the despair of one of the nation's poorest cities, about 50,000 Detroiters descended on downtown to pick up 5,000 applications in hopes of enrolling in a federal program that pays a few hundred to a few thousand dollars to low-income residents to help pay rent and utilities.

In fact, some 60,000 residents applied for the aid over two days, although the city will only be able to help about 3,400 families.

More info... Wednesday's line stretched for blocks and before the process could be completed at least six people were taken away by ambulance, 150 police were called to the scene and the city stopped distributing applications before noon.

The mayhem seemed to reflect the desperation of a city in which one in three lives in poverty and 28.7 percent are unemployed. Others said it was exacerbated by rumors the government was literally handing out cash. It wasn't.

Karen Dumas, a spokeswoman for Mayor Dave Bing, acknowledged the rumors, calling them "totally untrue." Dumas added: "There is a process."

Walt Williams, 51, arrived at Cobo before sunrise to get a good spot for the 10 a.m. opening of the doors. "This morning, I seen the curtain pulled back on the misery," a bewildered Williams said.

"People fighting over a line; people threatening to shoot each other -- is this what we've come to?"

Police said no one was believed to have suffered major injuries in the scuffles.

Detroit received $15.2 million from the Homeless Prevention and Rapid Re-Housing Program that helps pay rent, utility assistance and security deposits for families with incomes of less than $35,500. In Detroit, that's 58 percent of the households, states the U.S. Census.

Federal relief programs have sparked huge lines in other states, such as New York. But Wednesday's chaos over the program was unique to Detroit, said Andrea Mead, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Mead said she isn't aware of any similar incidents in the 535 cities, states and counties that got the grants through her office. She said HUD is sending more staffers to Detroit to help the city sort the applications.

"It really speaks to the need right now," Mead said.

On Tuesday, more than 25,000 applications were snapped up in less than three hours at Neighborhood City Halls, making the corridors of the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center nearly impassable.

The city had moved the program to Cobo Center on Wednesday, hoping the cavernous facility could accommodate the need.

It didn't.

People in wheelchairs and others using canes were leaned on by other applicants too weak to stand. Some complained people were going through the crowd, snatching applications. Amid the pushing was a constant din of screams from people insisting they be let inside.

LaTanya Williams, a 32-year-old Detroiter, quickly filled out her form because she said "people are stealing them."


"I am hoping to get any help that they will give me," she said. "Everybody needs help."

After the applications ran out, some scam artists were selling photocopies of the originals for $20 each. They were doing a brisk business, even though the white original forms state clearly on the bottom: "Do not duplicate -- Must Submit Original Application."

Volunteers from the city of Detroit Planning and Development Department eventually handed out yellow photocopies themselves. Intended as temporary assistance to avoid homelessness, the stopgap help will be doled out after private agencies hired by the city ensure applicants meet program criteria.

"I'm not even sure the government will accept those applications," said volunteer Pam Johnson. "But it's almost like they had to pacify people. There was almost a riot. I mean, they had to call out the (Detroit Police) Gang Squad. I saw an elderly woman almost get trampled to death."

Kelley Turcotte, a Detroit dishwasher, was near the end of the line outside Cobo. The 27-year-old with a newborn son said he is only squeaking by financially.

"I hope the government sees this and realizes the city needs a lot more help than they are giving," Turcotte said.

Luis Irizarry, 35, drove from Flint for the chance he could get assistance, but found out only Detroit residents are eligible. He said it was a shock to see this many people in need.

"This is ridiculous," Irizarry said.

Tony Johnson came at 5 a.m. Johnson has not found a job in three years.

"There's no peace 'cause there ain't no jobs," he said.

Dan McNamara, president of the Detroit Firefighters Association Local 344, was looking down from his office window across from Cobo.

"This absolutely is representative of the struggling middle class in America," he said. "We've been betrayed by the government, Realtors and those who've got. The promise has been broken."

While I've never accused Detroit of being a runaway success; I'm surprised at how much we've failed.  When people are beating the crap out of one another in order to apply for Federal Aid your society has failed.

On the other hand that would be a good concept for a game show.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
The Freep also has some great photos of the event:

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Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
Quote"This absolutely is representative of the struggling middle class in America," he said. "We've been betrayed by the government, Realtors and those who've got. The promise has been broken."
It's funny how these people still consider themselves to be middle class.

What promise are they referring to?
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
Quote"This absolutely is representative of the struggling middle class in America," he said. "We've been betrayed by the government, Realtors and those who've got. The promise has been broken."
It's funny how these people still consider themselves to be middle class.

What promise are they referring to?

THE PROMISE  OF  AMERICA!
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Post by: Caliga on October 08, 2009, 11:30:56 AM
It's too bad Dracula isn't the Mayor of Detroit.  As soon as the building opened and people poured in, the doors would have been sealed and the place burned down.

End result: fewer people in Detroit are poor now! :w00t:
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Post by: Berkut on October 08, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Why do people stay?

That guy saying he hasn't found a job in three years - wtf? Why would you just stay? Do you think there is going to be jobs in the next three years? Or the three after that?
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on October 08, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 08, 2009, 11:30:56 AM
It's too bad Dracula isn't the Mayor of Detroit.  As soon as the building opened and people poured in, the doors would have been sealed and the place burned down.

End result: fewer people in Detroit are poor now! :w00t:
Cede Detroit to the PRC. 
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 08, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Why do people stay?

That guy saying he hasn't found a job in three years - wtf? Why would you just stay? Do you think there is going to be jobs in the next three years? Or the three after that?

Historically the automotive industry has been cyclical in nature.  In periods of downturn people choose to stay in the Detroit area and weather the storm rather than move in search of work.  This time is different with the bankruptcies it's much more severe and it is unlikely that metro Detroit will return to its previous level of employment and prosperity in the foreseeable future; but with unemployment level nearing 10% nationwide it's hard to find work anywhere.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 08, 2009, 11:30:56 AM
It's too bad Dracula isn't the Mayor of Detroit.  As soon as the building opened and people poured in, the doors would have been sealed and the place burned down.

End result: fewer people in Detroit are poor now! :w00t:

No chance, Vlad's simply too white.  Blacula, on the other hand, has got a real shot:

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Post by: Malthus on October 08, 2009, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
While I've never accused Detroit of being a runaway success; I'm surprised at how much we've failed.  When people are beating the crap out of one another in order to apply for Federal Aid your society has failed.

On the other hand that would be a good concept for a game show.

The guy with a cane has the edge.
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Post by: Neil on October 08, 2009, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
Quote"This absolutely is representative of the struggling middle class in America," he said. "We've been betrayed by the government, Realtors and those who've got. The promise has been broken."
It's funny how these people still consider themselves to be middle class.

What promise are they referring to?

THE PROMISE  OF  AMERICA!
But slavery was abolished years ago. :huh:
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Post by: Savonarola on October 08, 2009, 01:34:31 PM
Only white people can save Detroit:
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QuoteWhy no black men among Time's saviors of Detroit?
By ROCHELLE RILEY
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

The photo shows eight people — six men, two women — standing boldly, purposefully, along Detroit's refurbished riverfront. It is obvious they are leaders.

The headline on the photo in Time Magazine's first of many installments on Motown is: "The Committee To Save Detroit." Its caption says in part: "...if Detroit is going to turn itself around, it'll happen because of the efforts of these locals and many others like them."

I have no quarrel with the people who are in the photo. They deserve to be there. But I'm concerned about who wasn't.

None of the people are black men.

And there's something wrong with that.

Let's not be petty. It's not a numbers or percentage thing. It's not that Time should have made sure to include a black guy in anticipation of criticism.

My concern is: Why? Is it that black men are not seen as leaders in Detroit, thanks to our recent time in the circus spotlight? Or is it that our crime rate and gang and drug problems are so closely associated with black men and boys that Detroit's black men and boys are seen more as culprits than leaders?

Here's the bigger issue — and where my heart breaks. What will Detroit's black boys feel when they see such a photo? If black men, who represent half of Detroit's population, many of its problems and some of its solutions, aren't believed to be helping, will that keep those young men from seeing themselves as leaders and future solutions?


Many are committed and qualified

I wasn't the only one to notice it. Greg Willerer, labeled The Nature Guy in the photo, lamented the absence and spoke on behalf of black urban farmers, leaders who he says deserve as much attention as he. John George, head of Motor City Blight Busters, also was in the photo. "Oh, my God. I hadn't noticed!" he said.


George calls himself "color-blind" and said he deals with "whoever's in the room."

"Everybody is invited to participate in the rebirth of the city of Detroit," he said. "But there are many, many, many, many African-American men who are committed to Detroit. ...There are dozens of individuals who run chess clubs or mentor programs who are all black males. So yes, it's important" to include them.

That is the saddest truth about the photo: There ARE black men who are already on The Committee To Save Detroit, men who are diminished and overshadowed by the murderers and loudmouths, by the crooks and selected officials, by the corrupt and the cannibalistic. But they are here. They are the ones who took Malcolm X seriously when he said 'if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

Represent the possible

There are too many to name who could have been in that Time photo, but I will mention anyway the names of George Jackson, head of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp., a man who has worked with several mayors to rebuild Detroit.

And Frank McGhee, the head of the Neighborhood Service Organization's Youth Initiatives Project, who is teaching kids to forgo violence and who literally is saving lives.

And Luther Keith, a former journalist and current blues band leader who took an idea for a community service network and created ARISE Detroit, a coalition of 300 community organizations and agencies working together to improve the lives of families and children.

And Robert Bobb, the emergency financial manager doing what Gov. Jennifer Granholm brought him in to do — save the city schools from financial ruin.

And Bryan Barnhill, the Harvard grad who had his pick of places to work in America, but came home and joined Southwest Solutions, a social service agency.

Sure. The photo is just a picture. But for many, it is a representation of what is possible.

And in Detroit, what is possible must include black men, those who need help and those who already are giving it.

Who should be on the Committee to Save Detroit?

It's your turn, Detroit. Tell me, who are Detroit's leaders? Who are the people, through the efforts they make every day and every week, who are changing Detroit, but who don't always get the credit or support they deserve?

Give me their names. Send your responses to [email protected] or to Rochelle Riley, Detroit Leaders, 615 W. Lafayette Blvd., Detroit, MI 48226.


And in a city where the state estimates the functional illiteracy rate at 52%, we won't truly hear from everyone without spreading the word. So I'm circulating this column to every church, every community center, every fraternity and sorority, to the Links and 100 Black Men.
I like that Kym Worthy made the list; if there's one person making Detroit one person at a time, it's the DA. 

If it were my list I would have put Robert Bobb and David Bing on the it; but the hard decisions they have to make as part of their job has made them controversial figures in Detroit.  Still, L. Brooks Patterson is universally detested in the city of Detroit and he made Time's list.
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Post by: The Minsky Moment on October 08, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
A bigger problem with the Time 8 is that it doesn't include anyone who owns and operates a fleet of bulldozers.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 09, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
And the list keeps growing:

QuoteIn health care alone, halting fraud will save DPS $2.6M
By ROCHELLE RILEY
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

It just gets worse. Detroit Public Schools Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb has uncovered more than 1,500 employees carrying ineligible dependents on their district health care plans. And those are just the folks who turned themselves in.

An audit released in early August found 411 people -- including some who were dead -- covered by health insurance for which they were not eligible.

In an interview Thursday, Bobb said that come Monday, he's canceling health coverage for anyone else who hasn't responded to repeated demands for information as part of the audits being done to rid DPS of corruption.

"We're going to cut them off," Bobb said.

The district will see $2.6 million in savings next year just from the voluntary scofflaws, and plans to make the guilty repay premiums.

Rampant fraud still amazes DPS manager

Bobb said Thursday that his representatives will meet with Gov. Jennifer Granholm next week to negotiate an extension of his 1-year contract to clean up the district.

Thank God.

Because if the continued financial mismanagement, fraud and theft Bobb has uncovered in just the past month are any indication, he has much more work to do -- and more people to help send to jail -- than he could get done by March.

In an interview at the DPS central office, where Bobb has cut the staff by 72%, from 300 people to 112 people, he also revealed that:

• 1,545 DPS employees were carrying ineligible dependents on their district health care plans. And those are just the folks who turned themselves in. Employees who do not respond to requests for information by today will see all their health care coverage stop Monday. Just by eliminating the ineligible people, the district will save $2.6 million. And the guilty will be forced to repay for coverage or care to which they were not entitled.

"I know what I had to go through, my marriage certificate, documents that my son is a full-time student" to get health care coverage, Bobb said. "We're going back. We want to know how much we've actually paid for your ineligible dependents in premiums and claims. We now expect you to reimburse the Detroit Public Schools for those costs. Chrysler did it. We're going to do it."

• The district has arrested at least 20 people in the last three weeks for stealing $150,000 worth of goods from the schools.

"I want to take out a billboard ... and say 'These are the people whom we have arrested for stealing in the Detroit Public Schools.' Kids, adults, whatever. I want you to know who they are in case you live next door to them. I'm doing it! I'm going to take out full-page ads on these turkeys. I don't want to live next door to some person whose lifestyle is to go into schools stealing."

Bond issue looms

The insurance scandal and multiple arrests come as Bobb completes the latest in a series of financial audits designed to root out corruption, fraud and theft. He said his team has resolved 90% of the findings from the audits as he wages a citywide campaign to convince Detroit voters to approve a $500.5-million bond issue on the Nov. 3 ballot that would give the school district an additional $256 million in federal stimulus funds that Bobb plans to use to build eight new schools.

Bobb also reaffirmed continuing investigations into all real estate transactions in which DPS has been involved, including project management contracts from the last bond issue, especially for the new Cass Technical High School and the deal to move DPS into the Fisher Building.


"Why did we buy five floors of this building for $20 million in cash and spend $13 million to $15 million to renovate when we were in a building we owned outright?" Bobb asked.

Other discoveries

The insurance scandal and thefts were not the only revelations of recent audits. As a result of their discoveries, Bobb and his team:


• Evicted three community groups that leased space for their organizations but stopped paying rent or did not transfer utilities out of DPS' name. The district collected $462,000 from other delinquent leaseholders.

• Ceased payments to a national insurance company for covering grandfathered employees that the company could not name. "And I'm going to file a lawsuit against this company for reimbursement for as far as we can go back," Bobb said.

• Informed unions that DPS plans to end full health care benefits for part-time employees. "We have employees who are earning $8,000 a year, and we're paying somewhere between $13,000 and $14,000 a year for their medical costs," he said

• Fired a company that was negotiating $5 million to $6 million a year from Medicaid when the district is eligible for at least $60 million.


• Plan to fire at least 30 security officers who refuse to come to work. "When I looked at the number of persons who stood outside Cobo Hall yesterday for services, it brings tears to my eyes," Bobb said. "Those people want to come to work. And I have 30 to 40 security guards who ... don't come to work for one reason or another. So I'm going to start systematically firing people. ... And we'll take the grievances because there are so many people who do want to work."

• Cut outstanding bills from $80 million down to $25 million -- "and 90% of our bills are being paid within 30-60 days."

Heartbreaking reality

Despite all that he's seen in just seven months, Robert Bobb is still sometimes stunned by the rampant corruption.

The heartbreaking reality is that, in Detroit, people have been robbing children for years.

No more.

"We're closing the Bank of the Detroit Public Schools," Bobb said. "It's a new day."

The Detroit Public Schools has its own public radio station.  They have PSAs on telling how many opportunities await students at DPS, but it looks like there were much greater opportunities for DPS employees.
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Post by: Caliga on October 09, 2009, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 09, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
The Detroit Public Schools has its own public radio station.  They have PSAs on telling how many opportunities await students at DPS
:blink: on many levels.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 09, 2009, 12:16:35 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2009, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 09, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
The Detroit Public Schools has its own public radio station.  They have PSAs on telling how many opportunities await students at DPS
:blink: on many levels.

Not every school system can teach you how to jack cars and perform a drive-by.


Seriously, Detroit is a huge school system and even with the graft, they can offer programs that the suburbs districts can't (you can get your pilot's license at DPS, for instance.)  Some of their magnet schools are supposed to be decent.  Kwame (and Christina Beatty) went to the science magnet high school, Cass Tech, and the school system just opened a school for the arts (like "Fame" in Detroit.)  Most of the schools are awful, of course and since we have charter schools and school of choice in Michigan many families have taken their children out of the district.  The PSAs are mostly to try to discourage students from leaving the district.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on October 09, 2009, 01:38:11 PM
Mugabe should be brought over to take over.  He could do a better job and probably be more honest about it. 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 11, 2009, 01:56:01 PM
Apparently lauging at the plight of Detroit makes one racist now.   :Embarrass:

I'm a good person, but Languish has led me astray:

Quote.Sunday, October 11, 2009 .Laura Berman
Rush-ing to judgment: National commentators don't understand Detroit's plight

They came in droves.

By 10 a.m. Wednesday, Cobo Center was drawing a bigger crowd than you could squeeze into Comerica Park for a free Eminem concert.

All that was in the air was a whiff of hope -- the promise of help -- and that hope drew tens of thousands, so many people that 150 police officers arrived on the scene to contain people. There was jostling, minor injuries and the frenzy of a crowd excited about rumored promises that weren't going to be delivered.

What was just as predictable as Detroit's chaotic botched application process for Detroiters seeking access to federal stimulus dollars was the national and international response: Laughter.

Nobody laughs at Indonesians buried under rubble. They don't sneer at hurricane victims whose houses float away. But to the media conservatives who feed on the despair of the poor, Detroit's economic Katrina is an opportunity to stir up the rabble. In this week's case, it created a rush to Google and YouTube and provided fodder for fringe hate groups.

"Detroit's Model Citizens Line Up for Money from Obama's 'Stash' " is the way Rush Limbaugh's Web site headlined a story about the stampede for grant applications at Cobo. Two breathless days of commentary were devoted to the appalling greed of broke Detroiters. He also nationally aired WJR-AM's (950) onsite interview with a Detroit woman who explained she'd come to Cobo for "Obama money."

"Where did he get it?" asks WJR reporter Ken Rogulski.

"I don't know, his stash," the woman responds. "I don't know where he got it from, but he's giving it to us, to help us."

She added: "We love him. That's why we voted for him."


How did this woman's anticipation and excitement become a trigger for ridicule? For contempt and loathing?

From that brief exchange, Limbaugh extracted a wealth of knowledge about this anonymous woman. He went on to describe her as "dumb, uninformed, shockingly, saddeningly stupid, the model citizen for Barack Obama."

The truth is that her answer wasn't stupid: She believed she had a chance to qualify for assistance from the federal government. She received an application.

But she said, "Obama money," a phrase that he uses to then disparage the entire mass of people in attendance, people he assumes lack all good qualities, from work ethic to intelligence to education. Those are qualities he and his audience apparently share automatically, by virtue of their enjoying of his program and their shared ability to sneer at desperation.

This spirit -- of denunciation and contempt for poor, black people -- has been picked up by white supremacist sites that are unapologetically and openly racist.

Big surprise.

If Limbaugh came to Metro Detroit, he could visit virtually any street in any suburb and find unemployed engineers and teachers and executives who would happily walk to city hall for legally available grant money.

He could find hard-working, well-educated white people who have lost their jobs and whose seemingly guaranteed futures -- the reward for all those years of enterprise -- just ran out of warranty.

Why not sneer at them? Because most of them might become "us" at any moment? Because "we" need a "them" to keep the yawning abyss at bay?

I don't know WJR's hopeful woman whose sin is admitting on-air that she "loves" Obama. He's a United States president who signed a bill, passed by Congress, that may help her pay rent and utilities for a few months, assuming she qualifies for Detroit's $15.2 million share of $1.2 billion in grant money being doled out to 535 communities.

"The large number of people seeking to apply for this program demonstrates the breadth of the recession here in Detroit, and in the region," said a statement released by the mayor's office Friday.

Beyond her big moment, this woman is unlikely to receive a piece of the grant money: Only about 3,400 Detroit residents will get assistance. Already, the city has received 25,000 applications.

Everyone's had their fun at the expense of an impoverished city and a woman whose enthusiasm eclipsed her common sense.

Still, would a white woman's need seem quite so funny? Would Rush and Glenn Beck and the far-right-race-supremacists lagging just behind still leap to insult?

Poverty and despair aren't funny, of course. But hope? In Detroit?

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Post by: garbon on October 11, 2009, 01:58:55 PM
I hope I don't become an unemployed Detroiter any time soon.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 11, 2009, 02:05:47 PM
Bing tries to throw his upcoming election:

QuoteThe delusions that Detroiters can no longer afford to indulge
BY DAVE BING

It is both amazing and unfortunate that many fail or refuse to understand a reality that is staring us all in the face. We are in a modern day recession. The lines at resource and assistance initiatives mirror those of soup lines of days we thought were long gone. Businesses that we thought would be around forever have shuttered their doors and windows, and our bad numbers -- unemployment, illiteracy -- continue to rise as our good numbers -- population, graduation and revenue -- plummet.

A city whose numbers once danced near 2 million now hangs by a thread of 900,000. This is a major contributor to our declining tax base and revenue sharing appropriation. This means that doing what we did then no longer works -- or is affordable.

We must make the tough but necessary changes. We can't operate an entire bus line for a couple of riders; we can't employ every resident, and we can no longer afford the perks once demanded by the unions. Times have changed. And now, we must do the same.

To unions that refuse to compromise for the sake of their membership, employees that refuse to give 200% to delivering quality and uncompromised service, to vendors who won't agree to a break in payments and to those who expect more, I say: We can't.

My critics have chided me for the decision that I have made. Yet they have failed to say how they will do otherwise. At some point, logic has to replace emotion and we all move forward in the best interest of the city and its residents. With an inherited deficit of nearly $300 million, the situation is not a good one.

The reality is that we have recycled and applied Band-Aids to wounds that required surgery. Yet, now that we attempt to resurrect a city that is on life support, many are fighting our efforts every step of the way.

I am not a politician. I did not take this job to do anything more than to help a city that I have supported for more than half of my life. I am aware of and sensitive to the needs and challenges of a diverse community. Yet, if I fail to do what I know will have short-term pain but be best in the long run, then I have failed those who put their faith in my leadership. If I don't, I will have failed, but so, ultimately, will the city.

It is not enjoyable to make decisions that impact the lives and livelihoods of others. Compromise is at the table, and we must all share in its sometimes bitter taste. But this is our reality; a reality that has been here for a long time, but cloaked in political rhetoric and the shuffling of figures and facts.

Detroit deserves better. First and foremost, it deserves the truth. We might not want to hear it or embrace it, but it is staring us all in the face. We can approach it head-on with a strategic approach and focused outlook, or we can close our eyes and simply hope for the best.

Dave Bing is mayor of Detroit.

He's right about everything in this; but that's not the voters want to hear.  I hope that he's re-elected and can continue his work, but the city unions could well end his career.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 12, 2009, 04:35:14 PM
And here is the Rush Limbaugh clip referenced in the above article:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw)

WARNING:  CLIP CONTAINS RUSH LIMBAUGH!  LISTENER DISCRETION IS ADVISED!
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Post by: Savonarola on October 13, 2009, 11:52:33 AM
QuotePolice car cameras fail city

Millions wasted on system that leaves Detroit vulnerable to lawsuits

David Josar and George Hunter / The Detroit News

Detroit -- The Police Department has spent more than $18.5 million since 2001 on an in-car camera system so ineffective that the top brass this spring told the Justice Department they should "tear it out at the roots in order to start from scratch," according to internal documents.

The total cost could be higher. But police can't find all invoices for the mishmash of cameras and computers that are plagued with image and audio problems. They work less than 17 percent of the time, according to confidential reports and internal records obtained by The Detroit News.

Police Chief Warren Evans plans to announce improvements today to the system that a federal report in June claimed is so bad "its most common use today is a platform to play solitaire." Two years ago, the city tried to solve the problem by buying equipment that was already obsolete. In May, police brass suggested fixing the cameras by using Velcro, briefcases and cigarette lighters to jury-rig incompatible hardware to squad cars, according to reports.

"With such low expectations that the system will work, few officers appear to use the technology in their daily patrol activities," according to a June 1 report commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department. "The current technology cannot be salvaged."

The reports highlight the city's struggles to make basic changes required by a 2003 federal consent decree to settle lawsuits about police brutality and jail conditions. The city has spent $13 million on monitoring costs alone and met 39 percent of goals imposed by the Justice Department.

The federal agency required cameras be immediately implemented in all patrol cars to record vehicle stops, consents for searches and use of police dogs. At least 72 percent of the nation's police agencies have video cameras, according to an International Association of Chiefs of Police report in 2003, the most recent report available.

Detroit's system is "pointless" and "non-responsive," leaving the city vulnerable to false accusations about cops and frivolous lawsuits that cost millions of dollars each year, according to the Justice Department report from June obtained by The News through the Freedom of Information Act.

The city spent $15 million trying to solve the problems in May 2008, after investing nearly $1 million in 2001 and another $2.5 million in 2004. As recently as August, Evans called the cameras "junk" that "don't work."

"It has been a mess," Evans told the Board of Police Commissioners.

Saul Green, a mayoral aide who oversees public safety, said he's confident Evans can salvage much of the equipment. Evans released a statement Monday night saying he'll announce a "major breakthrough" today for the "long-troubled system," but his spokesman wouldn't elaborate on the plans.

"As bad as the history has been, right now I feel where we are today and based on where we were in June, this is a good news story," Green said. "I am very, very pleased on what we have done in 120 days."

The Justice Department wrote a step-by-step memo to Detroit officials in June, instructing them on how to solicit contractors that could fix the cameras. The city has yet to act, but Green said proposals will be distributed "very soon."

Dates, lighting are issues
Video cameras not only protect the public from rogue cops. They protect police -- and cities -- from false claims of brutality and may even put crooks in jail faster.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police estimates 93 percent of complaints against officers are dismissed after reviewing video evidence. And 94 percent of defendants plead guilty before trial in cases that involve video, according to the group.

But the tool isn't available in Detroit, which has lost $116 million in settlements and court judgments against the Police Department from 2002 to 2007, the most recent years of data.

"The problem in Detroit is that video evidence is rarely available," said David Robinson, a former Detroit police officer and attorney who has filed several misconduct lawsuits against the department.

"We ask for the video all the time and we never get it."

Police Officer John Bennett, a candidate for the City Council, calls cameras an insurance policy. "It protects the officer against accusations that may not be true," he said. "That's huge, especially in this day and time when you have people willing to sue the police for any and everything."

But only 37 of 212 squad cars were able to download usable video in an April 24 test by Lt. Dale A. Greenleaf of the city's Office of Civil Rights, according to an internal report. Just one of 21 traffic enforcement cars had working cameras, while none did among the nine cars at the city's Northeast District, according to the reports.

As bad as the findings were, the Department of Justice thought Greenleaf's study was too optimistic. In a June 1 review, it deemed some of the video from supposedly working cameras too dark or improperly dated.

Vendor installation skipped
The city's problems with the cameras precede federal oversight of the police.

In 2001, two years before the decree, Detroit paid Mobile Vision of New Jersey $854,080 for roughly 220 cameras. The city hoped to save money on the units that cost about $3,800 apiece by having city workers install them. At the time, the company was charging $100 an hour for installation.

Usually, municipalities pay extra for the installation to avoid problems, said John Powers, a spokesman for the company that has provided more than 65,000 systems in 5,000 departments nationwide.

"Once we delivered the equipment to the city, it was out of our hands," he said.

The city tried to overhaul the system in May 2008, awarding a $15 million, no-bid contract to install prototypes to 200 cars. The contract, which went to Bob Maxey Ford and Great Lakes Service Center, was criticized by the Justice Department for "multiple failures," including faulty wiring and bad video. Calls to both companies weren't returned.

One year after the contract, a consultant for the Justice Department spot-checked eight squad cars. None could upload or record video.

Other problems documented in the reports: Many cameras can download incident footage only through wireless Internet networks, which takes three hours; the city has resisted calls to buy computer systems from one vendor, preferring instead to issue contracts and build the systems piecemeal; when the system does make recordings, the images are time-stamped incorrectly or there is no audio; and one of the prototypes the city is testing was deemed "expensive" and only applicable to military vehicles.

'This would help both sides'
Detroit's problem with cameras is illustrated in a lawsuit involving the June 2, 2008, death of Tommie Staples.

He was shot by two officers, who claim he had a gun. His family, which is suing for $525,000, claims the weapon was planted after Officers Darron Townsend and Steven Kopp used their squad car to run him down in an alley and shoot him.

A video could help resolve the accounts, but even though the squad car was supposed to be equipped with cameras, the city maintains it can't find a video of the incident, according to court records.

"This would help both sides," said Robinson, who represents Staples' family. "If you want justice, you have video cameras that work."
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Post by: Savonarola on October 15, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
Another Travel with Charlie:

QuoteCass Corridor isn't what it used to be
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Upon being buzzed through the iron door of the Temple Hotel, a visitor is greeted by a rendering of Jesus of the Sacred Heart. There is another painting of the Crucifixion. A quick appraisal of the library shelves reveals four dusty volumes of the Holy Bible.

But this is where the comparisons between the Temple Hotel and a holy sanctuary end. Located in the middle of the Cass Corridor -- a highly unrecommended quarter of the city long notorious for narcotics traffic and ladies of the evening -- the Temple is one of corridor's last "minute hotels," where rooms are let by the hour.

And after visiting on a late Friday evening, it is safe to surmise that the only virgin in the Temple Hotel is the icon of the Virgin Mary hanging near the desk of the maitre d' -- Robert Rayis.

"I'm running a deal," says Rayis to a customer coming out of Room No. 15. "You can have it for five dollars off the second hour."

The man gladly accepts.

Nevertheless, the red-light special has not translated into an excess of clientele. Fact of the matter is, the Cass Corridor, like so much else, has gone dead. Blame it on the bad economy (even the poor are returning to the South). Blame it on escort services available at the click of a mouse. Blame it on the proliferation of strip joints and dope houses around the rest of the city. Any way you measure, the Cass Corridor is no longer the elite destination for ill repute. The Temple is the last joint on the block.

"I myself am in need of some charity," Rayis said glumly with his feet on the desk, his hands folded behind his head. A game show was playing on the television. "This area just ain't what they used to be, bro."

Things have gotten so slow that the waterbed in No. 15 has been removed since no one can afford to pay the extra $5. "It didn't make economical sense," Rayis said, leading a late-night tour of his establishment. Located east of the historic Masonic Temple at Park Street, the hotel was purchased by Rayis and his brother, Basil, in 1987 for $50,000 cash and the other $20,000 on payment. The place was a cash cow.

"Man, it was popping and rocking, thousands of dollars a night," Rayis said, lighting a cigarette at the memory of it. "We had a few issues here. Someone shot a bullet through the window once and someone, one time, threw a Molotov cocktail through the plate glass. I had a couple threats to my life, but it was never nothing serious. You slap guys around, you point a gun at their eyes, you let them know you're going toe-to-toe and pretty soon, you got your respect."

Catholics who were raised in the Christian corner of Baghdad, Robert and Basil used to make a nifty living in the '80s and '90s with people wrapped around the block in need of a room, if even for just a few minutes.

"The things I seen, the human nature of it. I had a guy here who was in love with a girl and begged me to let him hide in the closet and watch while she was working. The poor dope, the john came out and bought an extra hour. When he came out of that closet he was a hunchback."

Now with Basil back in Iraq serving as an interpreter for the U.S. Army, Robert is the sole proprietor of a half-empty hotel, ministering to people with half-empty lives drawing on Social Security checks.

A woman in No. 25 who has three children came to stay for three days and has been here for three months. The television plays deep into the night.

Eddie in No. 23 also has been here for three months and is working on a couple of short stories.

Washington lives in No. 16 and has been here as long as the plastic-covered couches. He sees dead bodies nobody else seems to see.

An old white man watches TV in No. 20.

As for No. 36, it's better not to ask, Robert said.

There are 29 rooms in all (the numbers don't start with No. 1). The cost is $350 a month. The bathrooms are communal and management recently spent $3,000 to have the place deloused.

What Rayis waits for now is a miracle: someone willing to pay him millions of dollars for his little grotto in the ghetto.

"I'd like to get out. Sometimes I look at my life and I wonder what I'm doing here," he said, sweeping the ashes off his desk. "And then again I think, why not? Don't judge, not even yourself. After all, Christ himself was hanging around with criminals and prostitutes."

The place fell eerily silent, except for the drone of Pat Sajak.

Then Washington appeared like a ghost.

"Hey, Washington!" Rayis hollered.

"Clean up 15. I'll make it worth your while. And don't come back here telling me you seen someone dead in there."

My first job out of college involved driving around the city of Detroit and monitoring our cellular network.  We had some engineers in from Columbus, Ohio helping us at one point.  One time one of the bumpkin engineers from Columbus was out riding with one of the Detroit engineers, Don, who was raised on Detroit's southwest side.  They were down on Cass Corridor when they saw a scantily clad woman shivering in a cold Detroit February morning.  Their conversation went as follows:

Bumpkin:  What's that?

Don:  That's a hooker.

Bumpkin:  A hooker?  It's ten in the morning.

Don:  This is Detroit, that's a 24/7 business here.

I never thought I'd see the no-tell motels in Detroit fail.  Times really are tough here.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 16, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
Mother of the year, Detroit style:

QuoteMom didn't drive son to rec center, lawyer says
BY AMBER HUNT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

The Detroit mother accused of helping her 15-year-old son kill a 19-year-old outside a recreation center did not drive him to the crime as police initially claimed, the woman's lawyer said Thursday.

"Things aren't what they say they are," Lillian Diallo said, referring to prosecutors, who allege that Tarranisha Davis met her son at the Considine Little Rock Family Center on Woodward and unlatched the hood to her van so he could retrieve a .32-caliber revolver stashed in the engine compartment.

"She did not drive him there," Diallo said after Davis, 35, was arraigned in 36th District Court on a first-degree murder charge. "What is in the investigators' report is not what's been in the papers. ... There's more to the story."

Diallo said she couldn't comment further.

Davis' son, Tremaine Davis, was arraigned Wednesday on murder charges. He's charged as an adult in the case.

"We stand by what we have released to the media," Maria Miller, spokeswoman for the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office, said Thursday in an e-mail to the Free Press seeking a response to Diallo's comments. "The evidence will be presented in court to support our case."

Soon after the Oct. 8 shooting death, police said the mother had driven her son to the recreation center. But Prosecutor Kym Worthy said Wednesday that Tarranisha Davis met her son outside, then popped the hood of her van to allow him to retrieve the gun.

Authorities said the victim, Dmitri Jackson, was an innocent bystander caught by a bullet meant for someone Tremaine Davis had fought with earlier in the day.

After Davis opened fire, he and his mother fled the scene in the family van, police said.

A preliminary exam was set for Oct. 26 for Tarranisha Davis. An exam for her son is set for Nov. 6.

At least she stayed involved in her child's hobbies.   :) 
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Post by: garbon on October 16, 2009, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 15, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
My first job out of college involved driving around the city of Detroit and monitoring our cellular network.  We had some engineers in from Columbus, Ohio helping us at one point.  One time one of the bumpkin engineers from Columbus was out riding with one of the Detroit engineers, Don, who was raised on Detroit's southwest side.  They were down on Cass Corridor when they saw a scantily clad woman shivering in a cold Detroit February morning.  Their conversation went as follows:

Bumpkin:  What's that?

Don:  That's a hooker.

Bumpkin:  A hooker?  It's ten in the morning.

Don:  This is Detroit, that's a 24/7 business here.

So? Amsterdam hookers are up in their windows before 10.
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Post by: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
Quotebumpkin engineers from Columbus

Your insult has been noted for future reference Sav.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 16, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2009, 10:02:28 AM


So? Amsterdam hookers are up in their windows before 10.

I'll tell Mayor Bing; maybe Amsterdam could be one of our sister city.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 16, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
Quotebumpkin engineers from Columbus

Your insult has been noted for future reference Sav.

I'll make it up to you.  I'll sacrifice a goat to a graven image of Woody Hayes. :pope:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 16, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
Quotebumpkin engineers from Columbus

Your insult has been noted for future reference Sav.

I'll make it up to you.  I'll sacrifice a goat to a graven image of Woody Hayes. :pope:

Better.  ^_^
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Post by: Savonarola on October 19, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
Electioneering, Detroit style:

QuoteDetroit groups accept money from council candidates they endorse
It can cost $500 to $2,000 to keep support of key groups
David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit --A long-secret cost of Detroit elections -- paying for endorsements -- is generating controversy in the City Council election, even though most candidates defend the expense.

To many, it's a simple investment, part of what candidate Jai-Lee Dearing calls Detroit's "culture." To others, it smacks of pay to play. Either way, candidates who want three or four endorsements from prominent groups in the Nov. 3 election may have to shell out about $5,000.

It's a system virtually unheard of in U.S. politics -- where groups traditionally give money to candidates they like, not vice versa -- and it's providing fodder during council debates.

Candidate Shelley Foy on Thursday complained she was approached this summer by an unnamed group interested in endorsing her. The cost: $2,000.

"I told them I didn't have any money ... I never heard from them again," said Foy, a retired police lieutenant.

Leaders of mainstream political groups, such as the Original Eastside Slate, the Community Coalition and Fannie Lou Hamer PAC, acknowledge they accept money from candidates. But they say they do so to offset costs of mass-mailing thousands of pieces of campaign literature and to send hundreds of voters to canvass polls on Election Day.

Original Eastside Slate leader LaMar Lemmons complained the number of groups accepting money from candidates has swelled to a dozen or more. That's partly because of the unprecedented cycle of four elections this year necessitated by Kwame Kilpatrick's resignation as mayor, he said.

"There are a few shady characters out there who try to promise more than they can deliver," said council candidate Fred Elliott Hall last week.

Hall and several other candidates defend older, more established groups that interview candidates for potential endorsements and then ask for money to underwrite expenses. Hall called the system "good American politics" that helps lesser-known candidates get out their message for a low cost.

Ernest Johnson, leader of the Community Coalition that seeks $1,000 from council candidates, said no one is forced to pay.

'Just part of the process'
He noted that Mayor Dave Bing didn't donate after his group endorsed him in the Aug. 4 primary. The group isn't endorsing a mayoral candidate in November.

"We tell candidates we need their help getting the word out," Johnson said. "This is just part of the process."

The Michigan Spanish Speaking Democrats, in a June 10 letter, asked for $550 from endorsed candidates because distributing ads to 10,000 residents with Hispanic surnames is "increasingly expensive."

The Original Eastside Slate, co-founded by Lemmons and county Commissioner Jewel Ware, charges $500 to charter commission candidates and $2,000 to council candidates.

Lemmons said the slate's nod is free -- but candidates need to write checks if they want more than their names on campaign literature.

The fees are charged to utilize the slate's 200 Election Day workers, print mailings and sometimes go door-to-door in targeted neighborhoods.

"We don't have much money, and the services we provide cost money," Lemmons said.

"We can get out the vote on the east side."

One of the best-known groups, Fannie Lou Hamer PAC, asks for money to help pay for poll workers and slate cards, said Yvette McElroy, its field director. If candidates can't pay, the PAC's board "takes it up on a case-by-case basis," she said.

"We are very good at what we do," said McElroy, noting that 94 percent of candidates on the group's primary slate advanced.

Even so, paying groups after endorsements undermines their integrity, said Vince Keenan, who founded publius.org, a nonprofit information clearinghouse for Detroit voters.

"If there is compensation, there should be some sort of disclaimers or a notice," he said. "People should know what is behind an endorsement."

A one-party city
Political consultant Eric Foster said the process thrives in Detroit because it's a one-party city.

The last Republican mayor was Louis Miriani in 1957, so Foster said candidates are desperate to distinguish themselves by aligning themselves with powerful groups. Foster said he knows of no other city with the practice.

"In other places, you'd have a candidate trying to appeal to a certain group or certain agenda, but here everyone is a Democrat," said Foster, of Urban Consulting of Detroit, which manages political campaigns.

"Sometimes it can be a good investment, sometimes it may not."

Johnson said his Community Coalition is a wise investment, sweating details to maximize impact on Election Day. Mass mailings go to at least 25,000 likely voters, and the group pays 200 workers $85 a day to canvass polls. "We are at the polls from 6:45 a.m. until they close at 8 p.m.," he said, and "we don't rely on any homeless people. None of our people are drunk."

A common ancestor
The oldest and most recognized groups -- Black Slate, Fannie Lou Hamer, the Original Eastside Slate and Community Coalition -- share a common genesis: Shrine of the Black Madonna.

The church on Linwood near Grand seeks to "create oppositional institutions that are independent of the white power structure," according to a 2001 Wayne State University study.

The Black Slate, an offshoot of the church, formed as a political action committee in 1977 to give black Detroiters a bigger voice in politics.

It focused mainly on the center city, according to Lemmons, who described himself as a "missionary" for the church. He founded the Original Eastside Slate with Ware in the 1980s to focus on that part of the city.

The Fannie Lou Hamer PAC, named for a civil rights leader, also was founded in the 1980s with the help of former members of the Shrine who now attend the Rev. Wendell Anthony's Fellowship Chapel in northwest Detroit. Anthony is president of the Detroit Branch NAACP.

Johnson also belonged to the Shrine. The debate over ownership of casinos in the late 1990s prompted him to form the Community Coalition.

"There is a certain way things get done in Detroit," said Dearing, a businessman making his third run for the council. "And this is part of that political process. It is part of our culture."

You're supposed to pay off groups that endorse you after the election, not before.  Detroit can't even get that right.   :(
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Post by: Caliga on October 19, 2009, 11:05:03 AM
What, no post about this weekend's marathon?  Detroit can't even conduct a simple marathon without multiple deaths.  :(
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Post by: Savonarola on October 20, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
QuoteFormer Cobo director gets year in prison
BY BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

The former director of Cobo Center under then-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was sentenced today to a year in prison after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice in a wide-ranging FBI investigation of corruption in Detroit city government.

Glenn Blanton, 47, of West Bloomfield admitted in October 2008 that he accepted a $15,000 bribe from Karl Kado, a Cobo contractor who also pleaded guilty. Under a plea agreement, Blanton was required cooperate in the ongoing FBI bribery investigation.

U.S. District Judge Marianne Battani sentenced Blanton today.

In 2005, FBI agents contacted Blanton about $15,000 he had received from Kado. Blanton denied accepting a bribe, but shortly thereafter wrote Kado, the owner of Metro Services Organization LLC, three $5,000 checks in an attempt to make it look like the money was a loan.

In reality, Blanton admitted in federal court earlier this year, "there was no repayment intended."

Blanton, who headed Cobo from November 2004 until February 2007, was charged in an ongoing investigation, which involves the Synagro sludge hauling contract, the Asian Village restaurant venture and other city deals.

One down, many to go.  :cool:
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Post by: Neil on October 20, 2009, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 19, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
You're supposed to pay off groups that endorse you after the election, not before.  Detroit can't even get that right.   :(
Given the enormous amounts of cash availible to Detroit politicians, it's best to think of it as an investment.
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Post by: Josquius on October 20, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Rather than throwing aid money at them they should use the money to relocate people elsewhere.
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Post by: Neil on October 20, 2009, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 20, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Rather than throwing aid money at them they should use the money to relocate people elsewhere.
That's racist.
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Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 20, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Rather than throwing aid money at them they should use the money to relocate people elsewhere.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just build a wall around Detroit and not relocate them?

You could even earn some money towards the cost by selling the movie rights.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on October 20, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 19, 2009, 11:05:03 AM
What, no post about this weekend's marathon?  Detroit can't even conduct a simple marathon without multiple deaths.  :(
I also expected something on this.
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Post by: Josquius on October 20, 2009, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2009, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 15, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
My first job out of college involved driving around the city of Detroit and monitoring our cellular network.  We had some engineers in from Columbus, Ohio helping us at one point.  One time one of the bumpkin engineers from Columbus was out riding with one of the Detroit engineers, Don, who was raised on Detroit's southwest side.  They were down on Cass Corridor when they saw a scantily clad woman shivering in a cold Detroit February morning.  Their conversation went as follows:

Bumpkin:  What's that?

Don:  That's a hooker.

Bumpkin:  A hooker?  It's ten in the morning.

Don:  This is Detroit, that's a 24/7 business here.

So? Amsterdam hookers are up in their windows before 10.
Its peak time (you can tell because the hotter ones are in the windows).
Lots of middle aged men wanting a pre-work quicky.
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Post by: derspiess on October 20, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 20, 2009, 07:09:41 PM
Its peak time (you can tell because the hotter ones are in the windows).
Lots of middle aged men wanting a pre-work quicky.

Always wondered what the red light district was like earlier in the day. 
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Post by: garbon on October 21, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 20, 2009, 07:09:41 PM
Its peak time (you can tell because the hotter ones are in the windows).
Lots of middle aged men wanting a pre-work quicky.

Yeah, that's what I assumed.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 21, 2009, 10:11:28 AM
He should have gotten his Obama money:

QuoteDetroit council hopeful Charles Pugh faces loss of condo
Christine MacDonald and David Josar / The Detroit News
Detroit--City Council front-runner Charles Pugh is set to lose his downtown condo at a foreclosure auction just days before the Nov. 3 election after defaulting on a $331,000 bank loan, records show.

The Oct. 29 sale will follow a handful of financial problems for Pugh, a former broadcaster and political newcomer who finished first in the Aug. 4 primary.

Last month, his condo association filed suit, claiming he owed more than $4,900 in unpaid dues and lawyer fees. This spring, Wayne County began foreclosure proceedings on the condo on Adelaide Street after he didn't pay $2,631.89 in property taxes. The proceedings stopped when Pugh paid the taxes, and campaign staffers say he has paid some of the money owed to the condo association.

Pugh didn't return phone calls, but campaign manager Jillian Semaan said his "sacrifice" to quit lucrative broadcast jobs to run for council is "commendable." Pugh has blamed his money problems on leaving Fox 2 and a job at WJLB-97.9 FM.

"He is able to represent the people of the city of Detroit because he knows what they are going through," Semaan said. "He is experiencing it."

Records show Pugh paid $385,000 for the condominium in 2005 and took two loans from Countrywide Mortgage the day he assumed ownership.

One was for $77,000 and another for $308,000, which has jumped to $331,370 with interest and fees.

According to documents, Pugh was charged 8.25 percent interest, making his monthly payment on his 30-year mortgage payment $2,892. That does not include any insurance and property tax.

According to the notice that ran in Tuesday's Detroit Legal News, Pugh will have six months after sale to reclaim the condo by paying off the debt.

Council candidate John Bennett said while he understands many are going through similar problems, "voters should look at this and the other council members who have had issues. It could possibly be an indication of what the future may bring."

Candidate Gary Brown was sympathetic, saying "these are trying times."

"He is in the same situation as other sitting council members as well as a great number of Michiganders," Brown said.

Councilman Kwame Kenyatta, who is running for re-election, walked away from his Rosedale Park home this year, before his monthly payment jumped $1,000 to about $3,600.

Eviction notices were filed against Pugh 11 times while he was in Trolley Plaza on Washington Boulevard from December 2001 through April 2005, records show.

In each case, he eventually paid his rent after he was sued in 36th District Court
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Post by: Savonarola on October 22, 2009, 11:19:13 AM
Meanwhile in Highland Park:

QuoteJust like dad, Blackwell lives with controversy
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Highland Park -- Arthur Blackwell II, the former emergency financial manager of Highland Park, stood accused of embezzlement this month in a courtroom in a building that bears his father's name: the Robert B. Blackwell Municipal Building.

It was a symbolic moment -- the nadir, perhaps, of Blackwell's power; a political name synonymous with the smoke-filled backrooms of Highland Park and Detroit.

His late father -- known as "Big Bob" -- was Michigan's first elected black mayor and an icon in Highland Park, a postage-stamp-size city of 14,000 wholly contained within the borders of Detroit. His portrait still hangs prominently in the drab foyer above that of the city's current mayor, Hubert Yopp.

Perpetually penniless and abandoned by both Ford and Chrysler, the city was on the brink of bankruptcy four years ago when Blackwell's son, Arthur, was handpicked by Gov. Jennifer Granholm to clean it up.

The results have been mixed. The police force has been reconstituted, but the city is so rough, even the Nation of Islam closed its mosque. The books are balanced, but it took a $30 million bond sale to do it. The street lights are half-off or half-on, depending on how one views it. But there was no toilet paper in the courthouse the morning he was accused of writing $264,000 in checks to himself out of the city's meager bank account.

Arthur stood ramrod straight that morning in a blue-striped suit, a blue-striped tie and polished shoes, as the judge read the litany of felony charges.

"How do you plead?" asked Chief Judge Brigette Officer, an old friend.

"Not guilty," his lawyer answered.

The chief of police, another friend of Blackwell's, stood to the side of the courtroom near the jury box, his eyes welling with tears.

"This is not a humiliating moment," Blackwell said later under the portrait of his father.

"It's kind of like a dream. Surreal. It was kind of warm for me to come into a place named after my dad rather than a place that was cold and I didn't know."

Highland Park was once known as "the city of trees." And in the case of the Blackwells, one should remember that the apple never falls far.

Robert Blackwell was a man of large appetites. Weighing nearly 300 pounds, Big Bob served four terms as mayor between the '60s and '80s. He preferred sharp ties and sharkskin suits and famously hosted poker parties in the old City Hall while conducting city business in a strip bar called the Tender Trap next door.

A man with a complexion as light as Walt Disney's, Blackwell moved blacks into prominent positions in a city that until he took over in 1968 had all but locked them out.

Predictably, Blackwell made enemies, and he twice survived a recall vote. His travel expenses were the stuff of legend. Even U.S. Rep. John Conyers accused him of embezzling millions of dollars in federal housing money.

Nothing ever stuck.

Son is controversial
His son Art, 56, is also a large and engaging man. He, too, appreciates lavish cars, dresses in a lambskin overcoat and is a political powerbroker wholly separate from his father and yet inextricably linked to him.

Arthur Blackwell was tacitly endorsed by Coleman A. Young for mayor of Detroit in 1993, but lost to Dennis Archer in a rout. He has served on the Wayne County Board of Commissioners, the Port Authority and insinuated himself as a shareholder and dealmaker in the Greektown Casino.

Most famously, he was the chief strategist and political rabbi to disgraced former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

Like his father, Blackwell's career has been streaked in controversy. In the early '90s, he ran up more than $27,000 in travel expenses during his time at the Port Authority. He was accused of using leftover campaign funds to put a deck on his home. He collected a $42,000 salary as an appointee to the Fire Department, but rarely showed for the job.

Like his father, however, those accusations failed to topple him from the power set.

But this time, Blackwell finds himself fighting not only for his career, but also for his freedom.

"There is no gray area; Art Blackwell is a crook," said Robert Davis, the 29-year-old Highland Park school board member who brought the checks to the attention of Kym Worthy, the Wayne County prosecutor. "He took what he wasn't entitled to. Things won't get better until people like Blackwell go to prison."

$1 salary disputed
In April, the state fired Blackwell on claims he wrongly paid himself $264,000 from the Highland Park treasury. Blackwell had publicly agreed in 2005 to a salary of $1 a year to be paid by the state in his role as the city's emergency financial manager. But there is a dispute over whether it was supposed to be for the first year only, as he maintains, or for the length of his term.

Eventually, a state financial board did increase his salary in 2008 to $11,000 a month. Blackwell believes he was entitled to back pay dating to 2006, and so the city began to cut him checks that also carried his signature.

"The dollar was supposed to be for the first year only," said Blackwell, while giving a driving tour of Highland Park. He did not drive his restored '55 Cadillac, but rather a cream-colored van, the inside of which was so badly stained one wondered whether he was moonlighting as a body collector for the county morgue. "The governor agreed to that. I have it on tape. I mean, who in their right mind is going to work for $1 a year for five years?"

He went on: "I don't want to put this on my relationship with Kwame Kilpatrick because that's too easy. But yes, yes, there is a lot of political intrigue here. I am an old-school politician who believes there should be black people at the table. Some people don't like that."

There have been improvements in Highland Park, the state's poorest city, under Blackwell. Granholm glowingly acknowledged as much last year in a city brochure. Highland Park is running a $3 million surplus, she wrote. New townhouses are being built. The police, once housed in a trailer, have a new station on Woodward Avenue. The pension system is funded for the first time in 50 years. The community center got a $1 million face-lift and the library is scheduled to reopen.

But as Blackwell has learned, felony charges tend to lose you friends.

"Mr. Blackwell signed a contract for which he agreed to work for $1 a year indefinitely," said Liz Boyd, the governor's spokeswoman. "The governor after a year said she believed Mr. Blackwell should receive a salary; however, that's up to the loan board consistent with state law. It's now a matter before the courts."

Blackwell's lawyer, Ben Gonek, said that Granholm will have to say it herself in court at a preliminary hearing scheduled for Nov. 17. "I would expect the prosecutor to subpoena the governor," said Gonek. "If necessary, we will."

'People love you'
Gonek does not come cheap, and by all accounts Blackwell needs money. Despite cashing out the majority of his shares in the Greektown Casino five years ago for $10 million, Blackwell has been hit with state tax liens in excess of $100,000. He was also sued by Ford Motor Co. for the return of four luxury cars and lost a Detroit property two years ago to foreclosure.

Blackwell stood before the Detroit City Council earlier this week, asking it to scuttle the Greektown bankruptcy reorganization that would bring the cash-starved city $15 million because it would render worthless his remaining $5 million in options.

"This is just about equity and fairness," he said.

Detroit City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson agreed, calling it "unacceptable and disrespectful."

Blackwell is like that. He has friends everywhere.

Back in Highland Park, in the halls of his father's building, a well-wisher put it best. "You'll be all right. You're like a saint here. People love you."

Highland Park was once the edge of the city of Detroit; today it's completely surrounded by the city.  Henry Ford first built his first Model Ts there.  The factory is still there; but now it's abandoned and decrepit.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 04, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
QuoteThieves pilfer from Pontiac Silverdome
Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Pontiac -- Somebody has been gutting the inside of the Pontiac Silverdome.

Pontiac's Emergency Financial Manager Fred Leeb told The News today he has requested a police investigation into the unauthorized taking of property from inside the former home of the Detroit Lions and the Pistons, currently up for auction next week.

"There have been items removed without permission," said Leeb, who declined to elaborate on the specifics of what was taken other than their value was "not in the thousands of dollars."

"The structure, integrity and operation of the facility are not affected, but it is disturbing," said Leeb, who stressed the probe is being conducted in a business-like manner and should not affect the pending auction.

Leeb said the city-owned Silverdome is currently under 24-hour security and that both Pontiac police and the Michigan State Police have been asked to investigate. Those responsible will be prosecuted, he said.

The huge white-domed, 80,000-seat venue, which cost $55.7 million to build, became a white elephant when the Pistons moved up Interstate 75 to The Palace of Auburn Hills in 1988 and the Lions left for Ford Field in Detroit in 2002. It has cost $1.5-million a year for its upkeep

Those wishing to be considered serious bidders must submit sealed bids along with a $250,000 cashier's check to Williams & Williams, the Tulsa, Okla.-based auctioneer, through 4 p.m. Nov. 12., when the city -- at its discretion -- can declare the high bidder the winner and end the auction. All $250,000 cashier checks will be refunded.

I heard the thieves got away with all Detroit's superbowl trophies.   :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Post by: Savonarola on November 06, 2009, 01:12:02 PM
From the Detroit News Blogs:

QuotePugh unlikely to lead chorus of "Onward Christian Soliders"
Council President-Elect Charles Pugh made the media rounds today and broke news that may break hearts of smug suburbanites: The City Council will no longer be a source for Grade A, unintentionally hilarious comedy.

Speaking to WCSX FM-94.7 after barely an hour's sleep, Pugh said he's elated to be part of a "revolution" of change on the council. But he cautioned that fans of "Onward Christian Soldiers" and "Shrek" might want to look elsewhere.

"We had our fill," of entertainment, Pugh said. "There were folks on that council who gave us enough entertainment to last a lifetime. We can always go watch it on YouTube."

Pugh also addressed his foreclosure, plans to rehabilitate the city's image and pleasure at not having to work with former Councilwoman Monica Conyers.

It's the end of an era.   :(
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on November 06, 2009, 01:16:30 PM
No!  :cry:
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Post by: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 01:18:43 PM
Not to worry, I suspect that the endless parade of naked graft and race-bating we have all grown to know and love will continue.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on November 06, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 06, 2009, 01:18:43 PM
Not to worry, I suspect that the endless parade of naked graft and race-bating we have all grown to know and love will continue.  :)

If nothing else we'll always have Kwame:

QuoteKilpatrick got cash far ahead of loan signing
Secrecy was part of deal with 4 business leaders
BY JIM SCHAEFER and M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

In a deal meant to be secret, disgraced former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick began receiving money from four Detroit business titans months before he actually finalized a loan repayment plan with them, according to records obtained by the Free Press.

The two-page loan agreement is undated. But Kilpatrick signed promissory notes, specifying the terms of the repayment, on Aug. 12. He pledged to repay $60,000 each, plus interest, to the four men: Peter Karmanos, Dan Gilbert, Jim Nicholson and Roger Penske.

That would be months after Kilpatrick received his first disbursement, which he testified last week was for $150,000 on Feb. 4, a day after he emerged from jail following his 4-month sentence in the text message scandal.

The former mayor said in court last week, during a hearing over restitution he owes the City of Detroit, that the amount remaining on the loan deal -- $90,000 -- came this past June. He said he signed over all the money to his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick, and therefore is not able to use the loan money toward the nearly $1 million he still owes the city as part of his plea deal in the text message scandal -- a stance that prosecutors dispute.

The businessmen -- Compuware Chief Executive Officer Karmanos, racing magnate Penske, Quicken Loans founder Gilbert and chemical company executive Nicholson -- declined through spokespeople to discuss details about the transaction or could not be reached for comment Monday. Nicholson was out of the country, a relative said.

Timing raises question: Was it a gift or a loan?
The four businessmen who gave Kilpatrick a nearly quarter-million-dollar loan wanted it kept quiet -- especially from the news media.

A confidentiality agreement accompanying the loan deal prevents Kilpatrick from disclosing the loan to "any media outlet, or to the public at large." It does allow him to tell his accountant, lawyer, tax authorities or anyone else "as required by law."

The loan explicitly requires that Kilpatrick use the money solely to support his wife and children and for "no other purpose." While the loan itself is undated, documents labeled as promissory notes -- in which Kilpatrick vowed to repay the money with interest -- are dated Aug. 12, which means they were crafted after Kilpatrick's restitution payments grew controversial this past summer.

It is unclear whether Kilpatrick signed any earlier agreements with the men. The men indicated last week that they agreed to pay the money at least in part to get Kilpatrick out of office and end a crisis that had crippled the city.

Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning said it is unusual to have a promissory note with a date later than the time the money was loaned, though there is no legal requirement for personal loans to carry promissory notes.

Henning said the timing of the documents raises the question of whether the money was a gift or a loan. He noted that the notes were signed when Kilpatrick's restitution became a contentious issue with prosecutors.

"The importance of calling something a loan is it makes you appear less wealthy than you are," Henning said.

"We stand behind our statement that this was a loan," Penske senior vice president Tony Pordon said. "And it was a loan for the benefit of his family."

A spokesman said Monday that Karmanos sticks by his statement last week that the money was a loan, meant to leverage Kilpatrick from office and help his family.

Kilpatrick said he received his first payment from the loan, which he testified last week was for $150,000, in early February, a day after he emerged from jail following his 4-month sentence in the text message scandal.

The $90,000 left on the loan came in June, he testified.

The agreement came to light Thursday when Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner ordered Kilpatrick to take the witness stand during a hearing to determine whether the former mayor has been forthright about his financial ability to make full restitution to the city. In court, prosecutors peppered Kilpatrick with questions about the loan documents.

The hearing resumes Nov. 17.

Wayne County prosecutors want Kilpatrick found in violation of his probation for allegedly not being honest about his ability to pay his restitution.

Kilpatrick received $60,000 from each man, the documents show. He agreed to make quarterly payments a year of about $8,000 starting in November 2010 for 10 years, at 6% interest.

In March, Kilpatrick told Groner he had just $6 left over after paying his monthly expenses.


It turns out that Matty Moroun owner of the bridge and slumlord extraordinare gave him a "Loan" of $50,000 in addition to the $240,000 listed above.
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Post by: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?
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Post by: Ed Anger on November 12, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?

I hope you like snow.
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Post by: JacobL on November 12, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
While at the court supporting my brother on Tuesday Charles Rodgers it seems had a court appointment that day also.  Sadly I didn't get turned around in time to see him, he got to deal with whatever issue he had behind closed doors. <_<
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Post by: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 12, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
I hope you like snow.
Snow is alright. The alternative is probably East Asia (most likely Singapore).
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Post by: Capetan Mihali on November 12, 2009, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?

Livonia Meet-up '010!  :w00t:
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Post by: frunk on November 12, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
My girlfriend lived in there this summer.  Other than disliking the Detroit area in general I don't think she minded it.
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Post by: Ed Anger on November 12, 2009, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 12, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
I hope you like snow.
Snow is alright. The alternative is probably East Asia (most likely Singapore).

I looked it up and it said "affluent". Stay out of the city core and you'll be all right.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 08, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
The Lord of the Bling is back in court discussing his finances:

QuoteKilpatrick plays while city pays

A few hours listening to Kwame Kilpatrick on Monday explains a lot about the city's current status as an international symbol of incompetence and despair.

On the witness stand, he admitted his failings with finances, explaining that wife Carlita is better with money than he. ("I don't know which account she's paying from.") Oh, really?

She's the good wife who spends $15,770 on cosmetic surgery and leases a $5,500-per-month home in Dallas's most exclusive suburb even though she knows her husband owes the city $1 million.

Do you want to know how the city got to be the wreck that it is? These interminable court proceedings, delving into Kilpatrick's finances, document the former mayor's contempt for details like truth and his fast-fingered knack for creative accounting, even when paying for smoothies.

  The city he left for dead is burdened by a $300 million deficit, byzantine accounting and so much financial murkiness that two successors, Kenneth Cockrel Jr. and Dave Bing, have struggled to find the bottom.

Living on others' cash
Kilpatrick's never made more than $176,000 a year as mayor and now earns $120,000 a year, but lives like a multimillionaire -- even though his big hidden assets appear to be a motorcycle and $21,000 in a bank account. Would it take a week of hearings to ferret out your assets, months after a court order to disclose them?

Unlike most of us, Kwame Kilpatrick, who grew up in a family of political operatives, doesn't live on actual income. He has access to other people's money. He's got the Kilpatrick Civic Fund to raid for occasional expenses, such as moving costs and "transitional housing" -- $9,400 for his family's lease at the Park Shelton condominiums, a $13,000 loan for family vacations.

He and Carlita Kilpatrick received at least $240,000 from wealthy business connections -- most in "loans" that he seems no more pressed to repay than the chunk he owes the city. Such sizable debts might crush you or me -- but they are ants ruining the Kilpatrick picnic, with its Texas mansion, Gucci shopping trips and $158 bills at the nail salon.

Financial aid expected
Kwame-nomics has its own inherent logic, not that you'll find it on a balance sheet or in a financial planning seminar.

"When we get the loot, we're going to take her all the way out," he huffed about Prosecutor Kym Worthy on the jail telephone, speaking over the announcement that all calls are recorded, and sounding like Don Corleone.

When asked on the witness stand about this comment, he explained his coming wealth. "I just knew that an abundance would come ... I would be blessed," he answered.

For Kwame Kilpatrick, life is magic, and money comes to those Kilpatricks so entitled. Neither jail nor legal bills seem to have dampened this view: The ambulance is coming. Rescue is on its way.

"In a few months, this conversation is going to be funny to us, like most of the money conversations we have," he said on the phone, reassuring Carlita about their future.

A full year later, he may be the only one laughing.

I know what Kwame sounds like; yet whenever I read quotes from him in the papers I imagine them in  Biggy Small's voice.
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Post by: Jacob on December 08, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?

You're picking Detroit over Singapore?
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Post by: Savonarola on December 08, 2009, 05:47:23 PM
Meanwhile DPS is still setting records:
QuoteDetroit students score record low on national math test
Marisa Schultz / The Detroit News
Detroit Public Schools students posted the worst math results ever recorded in the 40-year history of a prestigious nationwide test, according to scores released today.

Sixty-nine percent of fourth-graders and 77 percent of eighth-graders scored below basic skill levels in math on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, a standardized test that serves as a nationwide yardstick in measuring student learning.

"These numbers are only slightly better than what one would expect by chance as if the kids had never gone to school and simply guessed at the answers," said Michael Casserly, executive director of the Washington-based Council of the Great City Schools, which represents large urban school districts. "These numbers ... are shocking and appalling and should not be allowed to stand."

The test results are so concerning to the welfare of Detroit that Casserly flew to the city to brief the media, along with DPS Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb, ahead of their release. Unless the community takes action to fix these urgent academic problems, "this city has no future," he said.

"Only a complete overhaul of this school system and how students are taught should be permitted at this point, because the results ... signal a complete failure of the grown-ups who have been in charge of the schools in the past," Casserly said during an interview with The Detroit News.

The test scores, Bobb said during a press conference Tuesday morning, further demonstrates the district faces an "an academic emergency" and needs an overhaul of its academic plan. And while Bobb indicated the scores were an indication of a systemwide failure, it was clear he placed much of the responsibility at the feet of the Detroit School Board.

Two action plans, including the 2006 Governor's Transition Team Report, have largely been ignored by the school board, he said.

"If we had implemented 60 percent, 70 percent or 80 percent of what's in those plans, there wouldn't be a need right now for an emergency financial manager," Bobb said.

At another point Tuesday, Bobb said: "If these results were produced by the members of a corporate board of directors, I can tell you that board would be removed."

He blamed school principals and a failing curriculum that doesn't prepare students for the national test.

Bobb was appointed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm in March to fix the district's finances, but has been lobbying for academic control over the district as well.

However, the elected school board believes it has power over academics and sued Bobb this year for violating their authority. Bobb countersued, saying the board violated his orders when it appointed Teresa Gueyser as general superintendent. Both sides are scheduled to appear in Wayne Circuit Court on Wednesday for a hearing on the case, which should clear up who has the power over curriculum.

Gueyser introduced her own detailed academic plan for the district this year and the 11-member school board embraced it. However, it awaits funding from Bobb.

The NAEP test started in 1969. Former Superintendent Connie Calloway's team signed Detroit up for the test that's often considered the gold standard of student assessment. A sample of DPS fourth- and eighth-graders participated for the first time this year in the test administered in January and March.

Bobb pledged Friday to move aggressively to implement his own academic plan that will "throw out" the current system, he said.

He won't release a copy of the draft plan because he said it's not complete, but said it's a "robust" plan that's funded through federal stimulus grants, including an application for $80 million in federal Race to the Top program funds. It would include working with outside private firms, something board members and community activists have balked at as a ploy to turn public schools to charters.

"We are going to continue to fight for the academic controls," Bobb said.

The average composite score for fourth-graders was 200 (on a scale of 0-500), and the national average was 239. The results show DPS students had trouble with basic skills. Just 33 percent of fourth-graders could subtract 75 from 301, whereas 67 percent of kids nationwide correctly computed the answer.

The average composite score for eighth-graders was 238 (not comparable to the fourth-graders' scale), whereas the nationwide average was 282. Students had trouble on questions ranging from geometry to estimation.

Students, however, aren't to blame for the poor scores, Bobb said.

"The real fault lies squarely with leadership," he said. "It's not the kids' fault. There's nothing wrong with these kids' minds."

It  isn't a huge surprise that a school system that so wantonly misspends money as Detroit would not adequately prepare students for the standardized tests; but the problem here is exacerbated now because Michigan has recently implemented school of choice and vouchers.  Parents who are involved in their children's education will usually send their children to either a suburban school or a charter school .
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Post by: Savonarola on December 08, 2009, 05:48:14 PM
And my personal favorite story of the day:

QuoteHomeless shelter officials to plead guilty to using $750K for causes
BY BEN SCHMITT AND M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

The two top officials of a homeless shelter accused of funneling $750,000 in taxpayer dollars to political causes associated with officials ranging from Kwame Kilpatrick to Gov. Jennifer Granholm are expected to plead guilty to federal charges today.

Jon Rutherford, president and chief executive officer of Metro Emergency Services, and bookkeeper Judith Bugaiski were indicted in 2006 on a combined 22 counts.

U.S. District Judge Marianne Battani is scheduled to hear the guilty pleas at a 4 p.m. today.

Prosecutors allege Rutherford created a shell company to collect rent from the shelter, then channeled that money to political causes. As a nonprofit, the shelter would have lost its tax-exempt status for making political donations.

According to documents the Free Press obtained, IRS investigators said the shell company "spends virtually every dollar it receives" from the shelter "on either so-called charitable contributions, political contributions, political action committees and to individuals."

The IRS said those receiving thousands of dollars included the Kilpatrick Civic Fund, the Kilpatrick family's Next Vision Foundation, Kilpatrick's Next Generation PAC and the "Jennifer Granholm Inaugural Party."

The IRS probe stems from a 2001 Free Press report that revealed that Rutherford gave $50,000 to the nonprofit Kilpatrick Civic Fund during Kilpatrick's 2001 run for mayor. Kilpatrick, then an influential state representative, subsequently wrote a letter to the Detroit-Wayne County Mental Health Board, recommending it give Rutherford a multimillion-dollar contract.

Stealing from the homeless and giving to Kwame Kilpatrick, it's just like Robin Hood.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on December 08, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on December 08, 2009, 05:48:14 PM


Stealing from the homeless and giving to Kwame Kilpatrick, it's just like Robin Hood.
Great line. :lol:
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Post by: Savonarola on December 09, 2009, 03:04:09 PM
And just in time for your hoiday feast:

QuoteDetroit's Coon Man takes orders for the holiday
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Grass Lake

There was no moon and the old fella tripped over the darkness trying to keep up with his hounds.

The dogs were deep in the forest somewhere, baying at a raccoon they had run up a tree.

  The old fella picked himself up and sat for a spell on a damp log trying to collect his breath.

"Most people dies in a nursing home and give up," he said in a thick backwoods drawl, dressed in greasy hunting greens that smelled of wood smoke and raccoon musk. "I don't mind if I die out here. Least I got something to go for."

Gleamie Dean Beasley, as you may remember, is the Detroit raccoon hunter and meat salesman who modestly calls himself the Coon Man.

And these are the busy days for the Coon Man. Transplanted Southerners, who consider raccoon meat a delicacy, have placed their orders early with Beasley, expecting to have the roast beast on their holiday tables.

"I deliver for a $5 charge," Beasley informed from his secret hunting grounds here in Jackson County about an hour's drive west of Detroit. "For $25, I cook and deliver. Baked or baked with barbecue sauce. No extra charge."

Since appearing in these news pages in March, Beasley, 71, has become something of an international celebrity. He figures he has granted a hundred interviews and is routinely portrayed as an old man stranded in poverty, living off the land, supplementing his Social Security check with the sale of coon meat and pelts. He is painted as a throwback to Detroit's heyday, when Southerners migrated north in search of a factory job and a house and a car, bringing with them their music and food and habits of speech.

The reporters and chroniclers and documentarians have come from Mexico and Amsterdam and Berlin and London and New York. They have filmed him in his kitchen with the peeling wallpaper, cooking coon in his tumbledown, grease-stained stove. They have recorded him on his sagging sofa playing the blues guitar.

They came. They took. They left.

And the Coon Man remains in his broken-down, west-side neighborhood with the empty houses and burned out street lights and the wild game running through the vacant fields.

But when the ledger is tallied, Gleamie Dean Beasley considers himself a winner in life.

The Coon Man has lost some: his best dog was killed by a hit-and-run hunter, his best girl was stolen by a man he calls Slick Willy; his best coon rifle was mistakenly left behind in the woods recently as he stopped to check his bearings in a faulty compass.

It is easy to get lost in what you don't have, Beasley said. It is easy to despair about what you once had. The trick to getting through the hard times, he said, is to remember what you do have.

Beasley grew up in a shack in Three Creeks, Ark. The son of a sharecropper, he left school at 13 to pick cotton. Cotton prices went bad and he arrived in Detroit six years later in 1958.

Michigan gave him everything a man could ask. It gave him three children, five grandchildren, two great-grandchildren. It gave him a job and a house. It gave him clean water and big woods and plenty of wild game.

"I got lots to be thankful for," he reckoned. "I guess I'll stay with my family here. I made my first $100 here. I ain't never seen a Fifty or a Hundred. So, it's been good to me. So I hate to say, 'Screw you, I got all I can get and I'm gone.' A lotta people did but I couldn't do that. I couldn't run Detroit down 'cause I did better'n I ever did in my life.

"It give me a lot, Detroit. I'm not quitting it. It wouldn't seem right. Somebody gotta stay. Maybe if it was like it was, like it used to be, then I feel like I could do it. But I can't. I can't. I'm thankful for what the city give me. I guess I'll go down with it."

The baying of the hounds grew to a howl like a fiddle whining in the hills. Their call ricocheted through the night. The Coon Man stood and tapped the little compass he kept on a string around his neck.

East, it read.

He tapped it again. South, it read.

He tapped it again. Southeast, it read.

Satisfied, the Coon Man -- as sturdy as a billy goat -- set off into the darkness with his bolt-action .22.

Somebody's Thanksgiving supper was hiding up a tree.
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Post by: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 08, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?

You're picking Detroit over Singapore?


Heh, I'm glad I'm not the only one flabbergasted at that.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 03:12:59 PM
For the record Detroit has some pretty nice suburbs.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 09, 2009, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 03:12:59 PM
For the record Detroit has some pretty nice suburbs.

Toledo?
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Post by: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 03:10:56 PM



Heh, I'm glad I'm not the only one flabbergasted at that.
My guess is that he enjoys peeing in elevators.  Singapore has a problem with that sort of thing.  Detroit, not so much.  :)
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Post by: stjaba on December 19, 2009, 12:35:54 AM
Time did a story about the last white city council member in Detroit:

Quote
Sheila Murphy Cockrel, a member of the Detroit city council, has never been afraid to swim against the tide. She opposed proposals to create "Africa Town," a district exclusively for black-owned businesses in the heart of downtown. She regularly sparred with the city's former mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who resigned in 2008 amid enormous legal problems. Just last month, she drew headlines for abruptly leaving the council's chambers to protest a rushed measure, backed by Christian conservatives, to restrict alcohol sales at Detroit's strip clubs. "It was an act of democracy to walk out and not let the process be hijacked by people with a narrow interest," she said later.

But in some ways, Cockrel is a relic of Detroit's past. She is the only white member of the city council and, when her term ends in late December, she could well be its last. Even though she is personally popular, she is leaving the council partly because she is tired of the scandals that have rocked the city lately. Her departure is a significant moment in the history of Detroit, the largest majority-black city in America. In the 1950s, when Detroit's population reached its 2 million peak, nearly 1.6 million white people lived here. In 1990, though whites were still represented in several major elected posts, they comprised only about 20% of the population. Now, whites make up barely 8% of the city's estimated 912,000 residents. (See pictures of the remains of Detroit.)

Demographer William H. Frey of the Brookings Institute projects that whites may account for only 5% of Detroit's population by 2020. If those trends persist, it is unlikely that Detroit will ever again elect a white person to a major citywide post. But Cockrel, 63, may try to buck that trend. She is now studying whether she has the kind of crossover appeal to win a congressional seat out of Detroit.

Cockrel is aware that much of her potential bid's appeal and challenge lies in her personal narrative. She grew up in Detroit's Corktown neighborhood in the 1950s and '60s — a period when, she recalls, it was populated largely with Irish and Maltese immigrants as well as Puerto Ricans. Her parents managed a soup kitchen. As a student at Wayne State University in the late 1960s, she had a front-row seat to one of the defining moments in Detroit's history: the 1967 riots — or "rebellion," as she recalls it. On the morning of July 23 of that year, Detroit police officers raided an unlicensed bar in a black neighborhood, triggering nearly a week of mayhem in which 43 people died. Hundreds of buildings across the city burned. Military tanks rolled through the streets. "It was horrifying to sit on your front porch, feeling completely impotent," Cockrel recalled one recent afternoon. She defied her parents and left their home to help move many of the injured to hospitals. Within months, many whites fled Detroit — accelerating an exodus to the suburbs that had begun with the post–World War II auto-industry boom. But Cockrel's family stayed. (See the top 10 news stories of 2009.)

Much of Cockrel's attention shifted to various social-justice causes, particularly the fight against police brutality. That's how she met Ken Cockrel Sr., an African-American attorney whom she eventually married. In the early 1970s, the couple supported the efforts of Detroit's first black mayor, Coleman Young, to integrate the city's police force. That led to the appointment of Detroit's first black police chief and, eventually, the suspension of a unit known for harassing young black men. Cockrel helped her husband win a city-council seat, and he was viewed as a leading potential successor to Young. But in 1989, Ken had a heart attack and died. For a while, Sheila stayed home to care for her young daughter. Four years later, she successfully ran for a city-council seat of her own, hoping to be an advocate for the kind of policies her husband had championed, like making literacy classes mandatory for all pregnant teenagers. "That, in our mind, was the way you're going to create opportunities for people," she says.

Cockrel quickly became known as one of the council's most astute political observers and best-prepared members. She regularly sparred with a fellow city councilmember, Monica Conyers — wife of Democratic Congressman John Conyers Jr. — who recently pleaded guilty to bribery charges. She's also had her differences with the current city-council president — Ken Cockrel Jr., her own stepson. He recently called her walkout from the city council's chambers during the strip-club debate "the height of irresponsibility" and said it "shows a high level of disrespect for the people that put elected officials in office." (See TIME's 2009 Person of the Year: Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.)

Cockrel says race and ethnicity did not factor into her decision to leave Detroit's city council. Ultimately, she says, residents will elect "people they believe are authentically going to represent their interests — and get their lights on." But race remains an unavoidable theme in this region's narrative. Some blacks have called Cockrel a racist, despite her background, while whites have questioned her racial authenticity. During a dinner at a downtown Cuban restaurant recently, a white suburbanite told her, "You're one of my black friends." Cockrel wasn't amused.

In November, voters elected Dave Bing, the steel magnate and former NBA star, and five new city councilmembers. They face daunting challenges, starting with a budget deficit of at least $275 million and a nearly 30% unemployment rate. Detroit also needs to attract and retain a sizable middle class — of any hue — which is difficult given the sorry state of schools, public security and business. The situation is so dire, the state of Michigan may seize control of Detroit in the coming months. "With the kind of challenges the city is going to face," Cockrel says, "I can make a better contribution not at that table but from another place."

Officially, Cockrel says she will teach public policy at Wayne State University. But many political observers expect her to be a formidable candidate for the congressional seat currently held by Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, a Democrat and the former mayor's mother. Kilpatrick is vulnerable, observers say, mainly because of her son's persistent legal problems. Still, if Cockrel decides to run for the 13th congressional district seat, she will face an uphill battle: the district was gerrymandered mainly to ensure an African-American majority.

She says she may make up her mind in a couple of weeks. In the meantime, she is carefully planning the curriculum for her Wayne State classes and working on a book exploring Detroit's history and future. "I'm not interested in this sort of blind optimism," she said recently when asked to consider what's needed to revive Detroit. Government's fundamental functions must be reconsidered, she said, so citizens can regain confidence that it will provide basic services. She added, "There's huge potential here."

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Post by: Syt on December 19, 2009, 12:41:39 AM
Quote(See pictures of the remains of Detroit.)

:pinch:
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Post by: LaCroix on December 19, 2009, 02:39:13 AM
a few weeks ago i visited west baltimore. i hope to see the great city of detroit someday :)
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Post by: Savonarola on December 22, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
And it looks like Detroit's number one couple may be heading to splitsville:

QuotePolice: Caught with woman, Riddle pulls gun on Waters
Cops arrest the political consultant, seize firearms
BY BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


Police responded at 4:25 p.m. to a town house on Navarre, said police spokesman John Roach.

Riddle had been living there with former state Rep. Mary Waters.

Two guns were recovered, including the shotgun, Roach said.

The police source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Waters found Riddle with another woman in a compromised position. The source said Waters retrieved a camera and Riddle got a shotgun and pointed it at her. Waters called police, who arrested Riddle. They also arrested the unidentified woman for possession of a small amount of marijuana and outstanding traffic warrants, Roach said.

Riddle could face felonious assault charges, though late Monday, none had been filed, Roach said.

Riddle and Waters both face federal charges that they spread bribes to Southfield officials to help a pawnshop win city approval to relocate there.

Riddle also faces unrelated federal charges in the Synagro sludge-hauling contract scandal with the City of Detroit.

Riddle's arrest could jeopardize personal bond
Riddle's arrest Monday in a reported domestic altercation had lawyers on both sides of his federal cases wondering whether his freedom on a personal bond could be yanked by a judge.

Riddle, who is facing federal charges in two separate bribery cases, has been free on a $10,000 personal bond. But he has pushed the limits with U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn, who has been upset with Riddle's comments about the cases on social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook.

The latest allegation against Riddle is that he pointed a shotgun Monday at Waters during a domestic dispute over a love triangle at her Detroit home, according to a police source familiar with the investigation.

Riddle was arrested and taken to the Detroit Police Northeastern District for questioning. Police said that shortly after 7 p.m., Riddle complained of feeling ill and said he didn't have his heart medication. They transported him to Detroit Receiving Hospital for evaluation.

Riddle's lawyer John Minock said he expected Riddle to be arraigned today on new charges but was unsure whether they would affect Riddle's bond in the federal cases.

"Potentially, it could, but I'm hopeful it does not, because it really has nothing to do with the federal case," Minock said.

Gina Balaya, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said it was too early to tell how her office would respond.

Riddle faces trial along with Waters on federal charges that they spread bribes to some Southfield officials to help a pawnshop win city approval to relocate there.

Riddle also is facing unrelated federal charges in connection with the Synagro Technologies scandal in Detroit. He is accused of hand-delivering a bribe to former Detroit Councilwoman Monica Conyers for her vote to give a $1.2-billion sludge disposal contract to Synagro. Conyers pleaded guilty to bribery and is scheduled to be sentenced next year.

Riddle's previous lawyer, David Steingold, said one of the conditions of bond is to not incur any additional criminal charges.

"Could it be the basis for a bond review? Absolutely," Steingold said. "For bond, you have two considerations: Risk of flight is one. The other is to prevent a danger to the community. If the court perceives this as him being a threat to the community, that could have some bearing.

"But I doubt it because this is connected to one person, not the entire community. There could be a no-contact order with the alleged victim."

On Friday, Cohn ordered Riddle to stop posting comments about his criminal cases on social networking Web sites. Riddle fired back outside the federal courthouse, challenging the judge's right to infringe on his free speech.

Cohn had said he would not delay the Jan. 5 jury selection date for Riddle's trial in the Synagro case. But he said he would consider pushing back the actual trial for a week after a jury is seated.

I thought they were going to make it; I really did.  :(
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Post by: Savonarola on December 24, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Another Travel With Charlie; this time about Sam Riddle:

QuoteRiddle's stream of hot air stifled by arrest
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit

Sam Riddle, the besieged political consultant, called me last weekend. He hadn't called in a long time, not since I called him a "rat" on a political talk show after he failed to appear as promised.

The last time I spoke to Riddle, he questioned my sexual orientation, hung up the phone and promptly un-friended me from Facebook. That left him with only 4,194 others.

I didn't take it personally. Riddle is like that. Riddle talks big. He is the Technicolor side plot in the Kabuki theater of Detroit politics.

Even with the feds barking at his heels -- Silk Pajama Sam was always bulletproof cool, freshly pressed, always good for a quote. He gave me an interview while showering at the YMCA. He said things that have been reprinted far and wide: For instance: "The only difference between Detroit and the Third World, in terms of corruption, is that there are no goats in the streets of Detroit."

While other all-stars of the corrupt city political scene cut deals with federal prosecutors, Riddle stayed true to the "no-snitch" culture of Detroit. The FBI asked him to wear a wire; he refused, saying: "You wear a wire in this town, you're done."

Instead, he dared the feds to "indict my black a--."

They did. And now Riddle faces two federal trials: One on extortion-related charges stemming from his time as a top aide to former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers and a second for allegedly bribing a Southfield city councilman.

The feds apparently have 20,000 recorded phone calls of Riddle, his lawyer said. The feds have Conyers. They have the Southfield councilman.

By the look of things, they've got Riddle cornered. Still, Riddle yammered on.

But it was a quiet and introspective Riddle to whom I was speaking on the telephone, not the brash and profane man that I know.

"If they take away my First Amendment right, what will they do with yours?" he asked me after some small talk. He was making reference to a federal judge who forbade him last Friday to post anymore musings on Facebook or Twitter for fear that he would bias the jury pool.

"If a nobody little black man from Detroit is a threat to the Constitution, I think we've got bigger problems in this country than Sam Riddle."

But it wasn't disagreement over the First Amendment that got Riddle into his latest trouble this week. It was the Second Amendment.

The night after we spoke, Riddle was found in bed, the police said, with a 30-year-old woman, which is normally not a problem.

The trouble is, he was found in the bed by former state Rep. Mary Waters, his live-in girlfriend. Waters, in fact, owns the townhouse. Waters is also a co-defendant in the Southfield bribery case.

Theirs is a complicated relationship.

Upset, Waters went to get a camera. Riddle, got a shotgun, trained it on Waters and cocked it. That's what Waters told police when they arrived, anyway. According to the police, she said Riddle and the girl were naked. She has since recanted that detail.

Theirs is a complicated relationship.

Nevertheless, Riddle and the other woman were chauffeured off to jail.

So now Riddle has a third trial, with the magistrate calling him "a danger to society" on Tuesday. She ordered Riddle to stay 1,000 feet from Waters and released him on $2,500 bond for felonious assault with a deadly weapon. Riddle, a political consultant who once charged $250 an hour, is destitute. This is according to his court-appointed lawyer, John Minock.

Riddle spent Tuesday night in the Wayne County Jail -- in Kwame Kilpatrick's old cell, he said.

Then Wednesday came more humiliation. A federal court judge sentenced Riddle to Flint. That is, the judge let Riddle out of jail with the caveat that Riddle stay at his mama's house in Flint at least through Christmas and undergo daily alcohol testing and a psychological screening.

His lawyer Minock may have said it best. "(Riddle) and Mary Waters still care deeply for each other," said Minock. "I can only imagine the pressure they're under."

So Sam Riddle crumbles under the weight of being Sam Riddle. And suddenly he's not so entertaining anymore. He's pitiable. Broke and homeless and pointing guns at a 54-year-old woman.

It was his James Brown moment: guns, liquor, cops and mug shots.

I followed Riddle Monday night to the police station. When police pulled him out of the squad car, he was not dressed in the woolen suits and power ties you see him in on TV. He was wearing sweats and handcuffs. He looked elderly and in bad repair.

"Any thing I can do for you Sam?" I shouted.

For the first time since I'd met him, Sam Riddle had nothing to say.

This does look like it's the end for Sam.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 24, 2009, 11:16:45 AM
Earlier this week it was reported that the real unemployment rate in Detroit may be 45%, rather than the official rate of 27%.  However as the Detroit News "Living in the D" blogger explains that number doesn't grasp the true scope of economic activity in Motown:

QuoteThe unemployed, underemployed and underground
This week came the shocking news that Detroit's official jobless rate of 27 percent was likely underestimated by nearly half. Really, 50 percent unemployment? The idea that half of all Detroiters spend their days scouring monster.com, filling out applications and sending out resumes is unthinkable.

As with everything in Detroit, I suspect it's more complicated than that.

It reminded me of one of the first posts I wrote for this blog, about Detroiters who work in the "underground economy." These are people who, on the books, are unemployed - but they've got jobs (sort of) and income. They're the grandmas baking cakes to sell at church, the hair braiders operating from their living rooms, the mechanic who fixes your car in his driveway. They don't pay taxes and may be collecting government aid, and it adds up to some sort of living.

There are plenty of unsavory types - drug dealers, dog fighters, thieves, hookers, scrappers who'll do thousands of dollars in damage to buildings to steal a few bucks' worth of resellable material. Detroit's hustlers can be very entrepreneurial. Only in Detroit have I heard of guys for hire who will hook up your house to steal utilities or a young punk who rented out his assault rifle for armed robberies. Once while I was involved with some filming near McNichols and Hayes, a guy approached our crew and offered to let us use his candy-painted, spinning-rimmed, pimped-out '80s hooptie in the video for $1,000. We laughed, but he was dead serious. Want to bet whether he would've filed income taxes on that $1,000?

It's complicated, but any way you look at it, Detroit's economy is seriously broken. Imagine how much better off the city would be if these people were paying taxes, like the half who are legitimately employed. Imagine how much safer we'd be without the hustlers wandering around, always looking for a way to make a buck at someone else's expense. Imagine if they could settle their "business" disputes in a courtroom instead of with a bullet.

Fifty percent unemployment. It's yet another statistic that's nearly impossible to comprehend, and to figure out how to fix, until you've been here.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 04, 2010, 05:02:59 PM
Personally I blame the rap music:

QuoteA look at Detroit's unsolved homicide cases
By AMBER HUNT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Unsolved homicides abound in Detroit, where only about 30% of homicides are closed and witnesses are often reluctant to step forward for fear of retaliation. Here is a sampling of some unsolved homicide cases.

Store owner shot down at his shop
Henderson Bowman, 66, was fatally shot outside his Detroit convenience store June 10. Bowman, a Vietnam veteran, had owned the Bowman's party store, where he held family fun days and passed out free hot dogs. He had recently bought Mrs. D's Place on Broad Street with plans to fix up the building and change the name. He was closing shop with two employees of the former owner when two men ran from the side of the building and opened fire.

2 young lives lost in botched carjacking
By all accounts, 22-year-old Brandan Rogers and 19-year-old Melynda Goodwin were in the wrong place at the wrong time when they were gunned down April 9. Detroit police say they believe the two were shot as part of a botched carjacking. Rogers and Goodwin were with a group of friends about 2:40 a.m. when two men approached and demanded the keys to Goodwin's black 2008 Dodge Charger parked outside Off Broadway East, a nightclub on Harper near Norcross. Police said the group was trying to cooperate with the armed men when Rogers and Goodwin were shot.

'Superman' found shot and burned
His real name was Wilburn Coakley III, but his friends knew him as Superman. Coakley, 38, was found dead March 11 in an abandoned warehouse at Atwater and Orleans streets. He had been shot and burned. His body was found 15 feet from his burned-out Ford Explorer. Police have no suspects. Community donations have increased the reward offered by Crime Stoppers in this case to $11,000.

Teen killed over a diamond necklace
Seventeen-year-old KeAndre Johnson refused to hand over his diamond cross necklace to an armed robber at a Marathon gas station June 28, where he had stopped with two cousins about 11:45 a.m. The robber opened fire, striking Johnson and one of the cousins. While the injured cousin survived, Johnson -- who had just completed his junior year of high school -- died outside the gas station at East Warren Avenue and Anderdon.

Here are some unsolved cases predating 2009:

Father of 2 found dead in his home
Antwine Robinson's body was discovered in his home Nov. 15, 2008, on Liberal Street near Gratiot and 7 Mile. Robinson, 32, was a construction worker and father of two who studied heating, ventilation and air-conditioning systems at Wayne County Community College District.

4 years later, and still no answers
Skip Layne Jr., 23, was killed just after midnight Aug. 11, 2005, outside of his girlfriend's mother's home near 8 Mile and John R in Detroit. Witnesses told police that a man who appeared to be about 18 years old had called Layne to a nearby fence and asked for a cigarette. As the teen bent down to tie his shoe, Layne was shot dead. The teen was questioned and released; there are no known suspects in the case. Layne was a construction worker and father of a 1-year-old daughter.

Teen shot 10 times at friend's house
Otis (To-To) Waller was just 18 when someone broke into a friend's house on the 18000 block of Pierson near 7 Mile and Evergreen about 6 a.m. April 8, 2008, and shot him in the chest. The suspect fired about 10 shots. Police say there were two or three other people in the house, but none said they saw the slaying. Waller had recently gotten a certificate from Job Corps in Grand Rapids, a no-cost education and career training program designed for economically disadvantaged youths.

19-year-old killed over Cartier glasses
Detroit police said 19-year-old Clifford Terry likely was gunned down by thieves who wanted his Cartier glasses. Terry was walking home from a bus stop on Detroit's west side March 21, 2007, when two men approached and robbed him near Grand River and West Grand Boulevard. Terry was shot in the back of the head. He was a student at Oakland Community College who worked two jobs to save for a car so he wouldn't have to depend on public transportation, Crime Stoppers said.

Father bludgeoned in club parking lot
Stephen Clark, a 26-year-old father of three, was killed Jan. 12, 2007, when someone bashed in his head and stole his van as he stood in the parking lot of an adult club talking to patrons. Clark had been out celebrating a friend's birthday at All Stars on 8 Mile. He was readying to leave about 2:20 a.m. when he was attacked with an unknown blunt object. Clark, who worked at Kmart, had one daughter and two sons between the ages of 3 and 7.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 04, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
And it wouldn't be Detroit if we didn't ring in the New Year with a new scandal:

QuoteFeds probe Detroit's pensions
SEC, grand jury seeking records on deals, adviser
BY JENNIFER DIXON
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Share Federal authorities are investigating several deals connected with Detroit's two public pensions, including some investments chronicled by the Free Press during the past year.
 
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and a federal grand jury have requested records on at least two pension deals totaling $40 million.

Authorities also are asking questions about the pensions' investment adviser, Adrian Anderson of North Point Advisors, whose vetting of several deals that lost millions of dollars was the subject of a Free Press report in April.

Anderson's lawyer said he can't discuss what investigators are asking about.

"Obviously, there is an investigation relative to the pension boards and some of the investments that Mr. Anderson has been involved with," said attorney Anthony Chambers of Detroit. "Obviously, there is an interest in North Point Advisors and Mr. Anderson in his professional capacity."

City pension officials could not be reached for comment. But they clearly have been following the investigation.

In May, meeting minutes from the police and fire pension board show pension trustees voted to reimburse Anderson's defense lawyer $15,000 for legal work relating to grand jury proceedings involving Anderson and his company.

U.S. probe into pension funds connects to City Hall scandals

These developments, among others, have prompted federal authorities to investigate the dealings of the city's pensions -- one for the police and fire departments, another for general city workers.

Although the reach of the probes remains uncertain, Detroit political consultant Sam Riddle's trials on bribery and extortion charges, expected to begin this month in federal court, may provide some clues. The government's witness list is packed with people connected with the pension funds -- including former trustees, employees, money managers and middlemen. Investment adviser Adrian Anderson also is listed.

Pension officials did not return calls or respond to e-mails seeking comment on the investigations.

Potential for abuse
Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor and former federal prosecutor, said federal investigators likely are looking at potential securities fraud and the controversial practice of making payments to middlemen, which the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission wants to ban because of its potential for abuse, such as kickbacks.

The Free Press reported in August that Detroit's pensions routinely ignored their own rules and invested millions with companies that refused to disclose when they pay middlemen to broker deals. In some cases, political insiders -- such as ex-pension trustee Steven B. Pankake -- obtained hundreds of thousands of dollars for helping companies secure money from the pensions.

"The middlemen payments are an issue the government is spending more time looking at" in general, Henning said, "especially in the pay-to-play area." Federal and state officials are "very concerned about these middlemen and how they're funneling pension assets."

A wider investigation
The pension inquiries appear to be part of the wide-ranging investigation of City Hall corruption that has led to bribery pleas or convictions for several people, including former Detroit City Council president and general pension board trustee Monica Conyers. So far, the pleas and convictions involve a $1.2-billion sludge-hauling contract with Houston-based Synagro Technologies and kickbacks to Cobo Center officials.

Conyers is to be sentenced in March, but that will not necessarily end the federal scrutiny. The Detroit News reported in June that federal agents also are looking into whether Conyers enriched herself while serving on the general retirement board and are seeking records and expense reports relating to a 2007 investment recommended by Conyers.

Riddle, Conyers' former chief of staff, faces the first of two scheduled trials this month, with jury selection set for Jan. 12. Among the allegations are that Riddle, and Conyers, demanded money from a technology company, and from a second business that sought financing from the general retirement board.

Requests for records
The Free Press has learned the SEC asked the pensions in October for records on a $20-million investment with Onyx Capital Advisors of Detroit.

The Free Press reported in April that Onyx's Roy Dixon Jr. promised 20% returns in his 2006 investment pitch to the pensions. He also touted his partner, Elliot Fullen, an executive with Hexion Specialty Chemicals, a multibillion-dollar company based in Ohio. Fullen, however, denied any official role in Dixon's company.

Dixon did not return repeated calls from the Free Press.

A federal grand jury, meanwhile, has requested information from Oracle Capital Partners, which also received $20 million in city pension money.

A spokeswoman for Oracle said the company was advised "that it is neither a target nor a subject of the investigation."

The feds' interest in transactions involving adviser Adrian Anderson follows a Free Press report in April that raised questions about how carefully Anderson vetted the people and firms seeking pension investment money, including three failed deals that cost the public pensions $90 million.

The newspaper found that he wrote approvingly of people and businesses with well-documented histories of failing to pay bills; that had been sued for cheating other investors, or with unsubstantiated claims of sizable wealth or revenue.

Asian Village and TradeWinds
Another investment under federal scrutiny is Asian Village, a failed restaurant complex on the Detroit River that received $2.75 million from the general retirement board.

Donald Watkins, an Alabama businessman who persuaded the funds in 2007 to invest $30 million in TradeWinds Airlines, a North Carolina air cargo company, has said he testified before a federal grand jury in February.

Watkins contends trustees asked him for favors such as a flight on his jet and campaign contributions. TradeWinds declared bankruptcy after receiving the pension funds' money. The pension boards have sued Watkins and his company in federal court over the airline's demise.

Many of the pension board trustees are either city council members or well connected members of the city bureaucracy; so this has the potential to be a big scandal.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Zanza on January 05, 2010, 04:06:55 AM
Quote from: Jacob on December 08, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 12, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
So, it looks like I might work in Farmington Hills from February to April.  :cool: How is that neighbourhood?

You're picking Detroit over Singapore?
Just saw this quoted. No, I picked Singapore. If the visa works out, I'll start working there for three month in February.  :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 13, 2010, 03:22:57 PM
QuoteProsecutors want $225,000, checks on Kilpatricks' big spending
Restitution should come in month, they say, but jail is OK, too
BY M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

One reason former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick may have been able to spare only $6 a month could be the thousands of dollars he and his wife spent on maid service, limousines, car washes and a Dallas art school, a Free Press analysis of spending from the Kilpatricks' checking accounts shows.


The Kilpatricks also paid more than $17,000 to a Texas mega-church and its pastor, $5,000 to their church in Detroit and $2,500 to the Nation of Islam, according to the records, which the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office released Tuesday.



The checking account details were attached to a motion accusing Kilpatrick of violating his probation. It says he and his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick, spent nearly $630,000 between October 2008 and October 2009.


Kwame Kilpatrick's annual salary as a Texas-based software salesman is $120,000. He has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans and gifts since he was convicted of obstruction of justice in late 2008.



Prosecutors accuse Kilpatrick of hiding assets while claiming he was struggling to make court-ordered payments on the $1 million he owes the City of Detroit.



Kilpatrick attorney Michael Alan Schwartz said Tuesday he had not had a chance to review the records.



"The motivation is to destroy Mr. Kilpatrick," he said. "He's out of politics. Apparently, that's not enough for the prosecutor."

Checking account details where money went
Kilpatrick should be required to make a $225,000 restitution payment in the next month and adhere to strict new spending guidelines, prosecutors argued Tuesday during the wrap-up of Kilpatrick's protracted restitution hearing.

Schwartz urged Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner not to make any changes to the terms of Kilpatrick's probation, which includes repayment of $1 million to the City of Detroit stemming from his plea in the text message scandal. Schwartz said prosecutors didn't prove that Kilpatrick had done anything wrong since his release from jail in February.

Groner, who started by saying he would not rule on a last-minute prosecution motion asking him to find Kilpatrick in violation of his probation, said he would announce his decision on Kilpatrick's restitution at 3 p.m. next Wednesday.

Kilpatrick didn't attend Tuesday's hearing.

He didn't need to; he'd heard it all before.

Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Athina Siringas accused him of being a liar, claiming he didn't know anything about the lease of his million-dollar suburban Texas home when he was really the one who negotiated the deal. She said he hid his money -- including hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans from business executives -- while crying poor when it came time to make restitution payments. And she said he was arrogant, taking the privilege of being on probation for granted, ignoring court orders until he felt like complying.

"He thinks he can get away with anything," Siringas said. "He thinks he's the victim."

Schwartz countered that Siringas and her colleagues were more persecutors than prosecutors, out to humiliate a man who already had left office in disgrace -- but who also was trying to rebuild his life and provide for his family.

Despite prosecutors' assertion that a $240,000 loan was really a gift from metro Detroit businessmen, prosecutors couldn't prove it, Schwartz said.

"No one testified it was anything other than a loan," he said. "There is no evidence of any kind from any witness that this was not a loan. This is nothing more than a prosecutor's belief. And again, beliefs don't substitute for any evidence."

Kilpatrick, Schwartz said, has complied with all of the court's orders.

The hearings over Kilpatrick's restitution began in October and were held off-and-on over the next three months to accommodate Kilpatrick's work schedule in suburban Dallas, where he lives with his wife and children.


Siringas said that prosecutors most want to see Kilpatrick pay the $1 million in restitution, but she indicated that they would not object if the judge jailed him.

"We're not here asking the court to throw Mr. Kilpatrick in jail -- not yet, anyway," she said.

In addition to asking Groner to order Kilpatrick to pay $225,000 within 30 days, Siringas said prosecutors want him to:

• Continue Kilpatrick's probation.

• Require that his employer, Covisint, a subsidiary of Compuware, send 30% of his wages directly to the probation department.

• Provide probation officials and the court with a monthly report on all money spent and received by Kilpatrick or his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick, or on behalf of his family.

• Require court approval for any expenditure of more than $2,500 by Kilpatrick or his wife.

• Continue to require the Kilpatricks to report to the court gifts they receive.

• Require the Kilpatricks to get court approval for any contract or lease costing more than $500 per month.

Schwartz urged Groner to stand pat -- at least for now.

"I think that leaving the situation as it exists now, with perhaps a review of this matter in a year-and-a-half ... would be a reasonable way to deal with this," Schwartz said.

I doubt that the judge will do anything to Kwame, but at least we can all chuckle at what Kwame has been spending his money on:

QuoteLiving large in Texas

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy has accused Kwame and Carlita Kilpatrick of spending nearly $630,000 from four checking accounts over a 12-month period as part of her effort to show that the ex-mayor is living large in Texas while claiming he is struggling to make court-ordered restitution payments to the City of Detroit. A Free Press analysis of the disbursements provided by Worthy shows that between October 2008 and October 2009, the Kilpatricks spent:

$19,050: On Michael Alan Schwartz, Kilpatrick's attorney for restitution matters

$5,000: On Greater Emmanuel Institutional C.O.G.I.C., the Kilpatricks' Detroit church, where Kwame Kilpatrick famously offered a televised apology after the Free Press exposed his lies in the text message scandal

$2,880: On the Art Institute of Dallas, an arts and design school

$2,676: On Maid Pro maid service

$2,500: On the Nation of Islam

$2,000: On Jeff Beasley, a Kilpatrick friend who later became the City of Detroit's treasurer and a pension board trustee under Kilpatrick

$1,000: On Parks & Crump, a personal injury and civil rights law firm in Tallahassee, Fla., where the Kilpatricks owned a home until recently

$782: On car washes

$485: On Chick-fil-A

$444: On Victoria's Secret

$330: On weight-loss center

$303: On cheesecake

$150: For the Southlake Red Light Photo Enforcement Program, which collects civil penalties for people running red lights

$145: On Team Beachbody fitness programs

$98: At Smoothie King

$80: At Sunshine Massage
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Post by: Ed Anger on January 13, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
500 bucks on chick-fil-a in a year? delicious.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Berkut on January 13, 2010, 03:37:32 PM
He must have some serious shit on people to be able to get all those "loans".
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Tonitrus on January 13, 2010, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 13, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
500 bucks on chick-fil-a in a year? delicious.

That's probably only about 1 trip a week.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on January 13, 2010, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 13, 2010, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 13, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
500 bucks on chick-fil-a in a year? delicious.

That's probably only about 1 trip a week.

:mmm:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Caliga on January 13, 2010, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 13, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
500 bucks on chick-fil-a in a year? delicious.
fahdiz loves this guy now.  :blush:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 21, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
Occasionally the system does work, even in Detroit:

QuoteJudge: Kilpatrick at fault, he must pay $320,000
Groner says ex-mayor's big spending, bad behavior led to the ruling
BY JIM SCHAEFER and M.L. ELRICK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS


Grilled for six days on the witness stand -- his integrity questioned by prosecutors who said that if they couldn't send him to jail, they'd settle for $225,000 -- Kilpatrick's restitution hearing ended after four months Wednesday with a judge calling him a liar and demanding he cut a check for far more than even prosecutors expected.

.

"You have not been credible in this courtroom and you, again, have not been honest to the City of Detroit," Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner told Kilpatrick, who sat stone-faced. "The court finds the defendant's conduct in this matter reprehensible."

Compounding the former mayor's woes was news that broke just as he arrived at court: His longtime friend and ex-mayoral aide, DeDan Milton, had been indicted on federal bribery and extortion charges, another indication the feds are tightening focus on Kilpatrick.

Milton drove Kilpatrick to court, but did not come to the courtroom to see his friend sit silently while Groner ordered him to come up with nearly $320,000 within 90 days or face a return to jail.

Afterward, Kilpatrick declined to comment while the news media converged on Milton, who drove off in an SUV.

Order speeds repayment schedule
If Kilpatrick hadn't claimed he could only spare $6 a month, he wouldn't be on the hook for $320,000.

His $240,000 loan from four prominent Detroit businessmen would still be their secret.

His wife's plastic surgery -- still held within the family.

His $50,000 present from Ambassador Bridge owner Manuel (Matty) Moroun -- still just between them.

That's what Groner noted on Wednesday in his ruling, which dramatically speeds up the time the deposed former mayor has to pay his $1-million tab to the city.

Groner pointed to Kilpatrick's own behavior, and the motion filed by his lawyer Michael Alan Schwartz last March, in explaining the genesis of an extraordinary restitution hearing that played out during the last four months. Groner said Wednesday it was Kilpatrick's own hand -- and own large-as-Texas lifestyle that forced prosecutors to dig deeply into his bank accounts, turning up the loans, the surgery, the gifts and much more. Kilpatrick's own behavior landed him in the witness box, at times fumbling to explain his finances, and why certain income was never disclosed to the court.

"This court wonders if the public would have ever been put on notice of the enormous financial windfall if defendant had not asked for a reduction of restitution to $6 per month -- at the same time he moved into a mansion," Groner said, referring to the Kilpatrick's leased home in suburban Dallas, which dwarf's Detroit's Manoogian Mansion.

Schwartz, Kilpatrick's lawyer, said late Wednesday he has been an attorney long enough not to take shots like Groner's personally.

Plus, "I don't believe that for a moment," Schwartz said.

Schwartz said Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy had been looking to tighten the screws on Kilpatrick "since the original sentence. I think she's been getting all kinds of criticism from people saying you didn't go after him hard enough."

Worthy and her assistant prosecutors have said they were simply trying to hold Kilpatrick accountable to the terms of his plea agreement.

As part of his 2008 deal with Worthy's office after perjuring himself in the text message scandal, Kilpatrick agreed to plead guilty to two felony counts of obstruction of justice, serve 120 days in jail and repay $1 million over his five years of probation.

During the extended restitution hearing, however, prosecutors convinced Groner that Kilpatrick concealed hundreds of thousands of dollars during the past year, moving funds into his wife's account and making large purchases, like paying more than $70,000 up front to lease their new home for a year.

Worthy, in a statement, said she was pleased with Groner's decision -- which went beyond even what prosecutors had requested.

"I think the judge's orders were most appropriate," she said. Referring to Kilpatrick, she added, "I'll be surprised if he has any problem coming up with money."

Detroit City Council President Pro Tem Gary Brown, the former deputy Detroit police chief whose whistle-blower case led to Kilpatrick's conviction, learned about Groner's ruling from Internet headlines.

"Under the circumstances, it's fair for the judge to insure that it's paid," Brown said of the restitution.

Councilman Kwame Kenyatta said Groner's ruling was appropriate, but added that he doesn't want to see Kilpatrick go to jail on a probation violation.

"It would not help the city if he was locked up and couldn't make any money," he said. "Instead of appealing, he should do what he agreed to do in the first place."

Spokesmen for Detroit Mayor Dave Bing and Compuware, which owns Kilpatrick's employer, Covisint, declined comment.

In court Wednesday, Kilpatrick wearing a dark suit, sat stone-faced as Groner ripped into him in a 12-minute ruling from the bench.

"Not only did the defendant misrepresent his ability to pay restitution, he lied in his March 24, 2009 affidavit in that he could only afford $6 per month for restitution," Groner said. "The court finds defendant's conduct in this matter reprehensible. Defendant has not only continued to flout the orders of this court but has continued his disregard and contempt for the people of the City of Detroit."

Groner didn't spare his contempt for Kilpatrick's behavior, at various times referring to him in vivid adjectives and nouns, saying he lied, acted reprehensibly, and used deceit in an effort to minimize the payments he owes to the city he once ran.

Outside court afterward, flanked by the high-profile and flamboyant Florida attorney Willie Gary, who represents Kilpatrick in a civil lawsuit, the former mayor, uncharacteristically, had little to say.

"We're here to comply with the judge's orders," Gary said.

but could this be the RUIN OF CHICK-FIL-A?  :o
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 21, 2010, 03:53:41 PM
And as one trial ends another begins; it's the circle of life, Detroit style:

QuoteLawyer: Charges against Kilpatrick buddy DeDan Milton is no surprise
But Culpepper says it's too early to talk about cooperation with investigators
BY BEN SCHMITT, JOE SWICKARD and JENNIFER DIXON
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

DeDan Milton is under the federal hammer, but he says he won't be talking about his childhood buddy, ex-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

On the day Kilpatrick went to Wayne County Circuit Court to get slapped with a huge restitution bill in connection with the text message scandal, federal authorities unsealed a five-count criminal indictment against Milton as part of the ongoing city hall corruption investigation.

Few people have been as close to Kilpatrick during the last eight years as Milton. For much of Kilpatrick's tenure as mayor, Milton was his personal aide, accompanying him on business trips and shadowing him around Detroit.

Now, Milton, 37, faces charges that he took bribes and kickbacks involving the sale of various city-owned properties. His brother, Kandia Milton, another Kilpatrick confidant, already pleaded guilty in relation to the investigation.

While cooperation has been the key to many of the charges federal officials have brought in the wide-ranging investigation, DeDan Milton said he is standing strong for Kilpatrick.

Milton said Wednesday that he would "potentially" talk to the FBI, but said: "I will not be talking to the FBI about Mayor Kilpatrick."

Milton brothers are accused of bribery
U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade declined to comment in detail about the indictment -- the first in the city hall investigation since she took office this month.

"The indictment speaks for itself, and this office continues to take public corruption very seriously," McQuade said.

Milton's brother, former Detroit Deputy Mayor Kandia Milton, who recently pleaded guilty to a bribery charge in connection with a real estate deal involving the sale of a 160-acre plot of city-owned land in Livingston County -- known as Camp Brighton -- to the Chaldean Catholic Church. Kandia Milton, 38, recommended the sale to the Detroit City Council, which approved it in 2007.

The Milton brothers are accused of splitting $50,000 in bribe money, along with another childhood friend, Jerry Rivers, a former Detroit cop who worked as a mayoral bodyguard and in the department's liquor licensing bureau.

Rivers, 39, of Taylor also pleaded guilty last month to bribery in U.S. District Court in Detroit in connection with the Camp Brighton deal.

Rivers told Chief U.S. District Judge Gerald Rosen that a representative of the church, Eddie Bacall, approached him in 2006 seeking help in getting the council to approve the sale. Camp Brighton was owned by Detroit and had been used as a summer camp before it closed in 1995.

Bacall of Bacall Development in Farmington Hills repeated Wednesday that he did nothing wrong. He has not been charged.

DeDan Milton's lawyer, W. Otis Culpepper, said the indictment was not unexpected but that he had not yet seen the specific allegations.

"This is fresh to me," Culpepper said. "I've been in a homicide trial all week, and I just heard of this. I'll call my client and the U.S. attorney to discuss arraignment for my client's surrender."

Any discussion of cooperation is premature, Culpepper said. "It's too early to make those kinds of decisions," he said. "But all avenues are open to consideration."

However, Culpepper declined to say whether the potential avenues would lead to Kilpatrick.

Meanwhile, Kandia Milton's lawyer, Elliott Hall, said his client has been cooperative with federal officials, but: "Kandia's not going to testify against his brother. I don't think so."

Hall said his client has been helping on a lot of fronts, but not on this one.

Kandia Milton pleaded guilty last month to corruption charges and at the time, Hall said he hoped Milton's cooperation would reduce -- and possibly eliminate -- any prison time. After his plea, Hall characterized Milton's cooperation as "ongoing for a period of time, and the U.S. Attorney's Office and FBI has been very pleased."

Besides the Camp Brighton deal, Wednesday's indictment alleges DeDan Milton and Rivers received $25,000 in bribe money to help two unnamed real estate developers buy the former 8th Precinct Police building on Grand River and McNichols in 2006. The indictment said one unnamed developer offered the $25,000 to Rivers to help another developer buy the building.

Bacall said Wednesday that he had planned to buy the property, but changed his mind and could not recall who the other developer was. He said he did not pay out any money.

After the sale in 2007, Rivers and the Miltons split the money, the indictment states.

A quit claim deed indicates a company, Grand River & Six Mile LLC, paid $324,000 for the precinct building, which has yet to be developed. The company's registered agent did not return a call Wednesday.

The indictment also alleges that DeDan Milton set Rivers up with an unnamed city official in 2003 to help change the zoning of a Detroit property, near Grand River and Wyoming.

The indictment states that the unnamed real estate developer, who was involved in the 8th Precinct deal, paid $5,000 for the zoning request. DeDan Milton and Rivers split the money, according to the indictment.

Bacall said he believes he owns the property in question and he may have had some dealings with Rivers in making sure it was approved to be a shopping center.

But, he added: "I have committed no crimes." Bacall has not been charged with a crime.

Rivers' attorney, Sheldon Halpern, said he wasn't surprised by Milton's indictment, and he wasn't concerned about the new implications against his client, given the guilty plea.

"My clear expectation is that he would not be indicted in that regard," he said.

Rivers is scheduled to be sentenced March 11 in U.S. District Court. Kandia Milton is scheduled to be sentenced March 18.

DeDan Milton could appear as soon as today for arraignment. Each extortion count carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, and each bribery charge is punishable by up to 10 years.

Detroit City Councilman Kwame Kenyatta, an outspoken critic of the Camp Brighton sale when it was introduced to the council in 2007, called Milton's indictment uneventful since he was named as a coconspirator when Kandia Milton pleaded guilty to bribery in the case last year.

But Kenyatta said a trial for DeDan Milton "may be a good thing for the City of Detroit," instead of entering a plea agreement. A trial, he said, would allow Detroiters to learn more about further corruption in the Kilpatrick administration.

"I welcome the opportunity for him to go to court," Kenyatta said of Milton.

And the federal probe into city hall continues.

"Public corruption is a top criminal priority of the FBI and will not be tolerated," Detroit FBI Special Agent in Charge Andrew Arena said Wednesday. "This investigation demonstrates the FBI's commitment in investigating public corruption on every level and bringing those who betray the public's trust to justice."

Contact BEN SCHMITT: 313-223-4296 or [email protected]. Staff writer Naomi R. Patton contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 25, 2010, 02:53:10 PM
This is going to be a great trial:

QuoteRiddle on wiretapped call: Monica Conyers 'crazy'
By BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRES STAFF WRITER

Federal prosecutors today began playing political consultant Sam Riddle's wiretapped phone calls in which he revealed his disdain for his ex-boss Monica Conyers, calling her "irrational" and "crazy."

"This bitch is a trip," Riddle said. "We're not dealing with a normal person."

The recordings, mainly from the summer of 2007, were played to highlight Riddle's dealings with Reggie Barnett, president of Wireless Resources, a company that was seeking a multimillion-dollar investment from a city pension board on which Conyers sat.

Prosecutors allege Riddle and Conyers shook down Barnett for a total of $20,000 in four installments of $5,000 in return for her support and advocacy of the investment.

The allegations stem from the period in which Conyers served on city council and a local pension board and Riddle worked as her chief of staff. She took office in January 2006.

Many of the calls played today in U.S. District Court in Detroit centered on Riddle trying to get a fourth payment from Barnett.

"We got you on a track that very few people even know exists," Riddle told Barnett. "Work on the, uh, five thing so I can keep her chilled out."

At one point, prosecutors played a few phone calls between Riddle and Derrick Miller, a former high-ranking aide to ex-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.


Riddle explained to Miller in an Aug. 29, 2007, call that Wireless Technologies was friendly with Conyers, adding the company "might be a resource for you guys."

Miller responded: "We got to get together soon, Sam."

Riddle's attorney, John Minock, told jurors in his opening statement that Riddle has a long, respected career in politics and was a legitimate consultant.

"There's more to one side of this story," Minock said.

Minock said Barnett and Riddle grew up together and Barnett merely paid him for consulting work.

Minock also cautioned not to hold the consistent spewing of four-letter words on the wiretapped calls against Riddle.

"You can't convict him because he has used bad language," he said.

Earlier today, federal prosecutors highlighted what they called a criminal partnership between Riddle and Conyers.

In his opening statement, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Cares showed jurors transcripts of various phone calls among Riddle, Conyers and others that he said will back up seven felony charges against Riddle, including extortion and bribery.

"They were driven by two things, greed and their motto was 'pay to play,' " Cares said. "Monica Conyers is on the take and Sam Riddle is... helping her obtain public money."


In one July 2007 phone call, Riddle told a friend: "I would have pimped but I don't like the night air. When you're running these political women it's really the same ... thing."

Cares told the jury that the FBI obtained a wiretap for Riddle's cellular phone in June 2007 and that they will hear his voice working various deals for bribe money.

Some of the allegations include Conyers' vote on the controversial $1.2-billion Synagro Technologies sludge contract with the city; payments of $20,000 from Greektown entrepreneur Jim Papas for a letter from Conyers' husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, supporting a Papas-operated injection well in Romulus, and $20,000 from Barnett which sought the multimillion-dollar investment from the pension board Monica Conyers sat on.

Monica Conyers pleaded guilty to a count of bribery last summer and is scheduled to be sentenced in March. She is not expected to testify.

Minock countered that every charge has an explanation, pointing out, for example, that Papas paid Riddle to be a consultant and nothing more.

In the Synagro case, Minock said, Riddle collected money from Detroit businessman Rayford Jackson for previous consulting work. Jackson, who worked for Synagro, had owed Riddle money for helping with a visit to the city from Louis Farrakhan.

"There will be many reasons to have doubts in this case," Minock said.

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Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 25, 2010, 06:01:36 PM

Quote


In one July 2007 phone call, Riddle told a friend: "I would have pimped but I don't like the night air. When you're running these political women it's really the same ... thing."



I'm sure the ... replaced some expletives.  :lol:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 26, 2010, 02:33:57 PM
Naturally the comment I highlighted yesterday raised some ire:

QuoteLaura Berman
In Sam Riddle's view, women to blame

A jury could take a month to decide if Sam Riddle is guilty of bribery. Some observers in the courtroom Monday needed only minutes to convict him of attitudes and conduct toward women that might otherwise be presumed extinct.

The garrulous Riddle, whose love of the telephone enabled the FBI to tape 2,000 hours of Riddle chat over six months in 2007, is braving a jury trial to defend his wheeling-and-dealing as legal business practices associated with political consulting. He's charged with seven counts of bribery, extortion and conspiring with Monica Conyers, the former city councilwoman. She opted out of the spectacle of a public trial by pleading guilty.

But tapes of Riddle unplugged and aired in U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn's courtroom provide a rare public service: a firsthand look at a man-about-town's willingness to throw the women he works for under the bus.

Job compared to street life
Elmore Leonard would be hard-pressed to write more provocative dialogue for one of his hustlers than what Riddle dishes up naturally.

"Did I ever tell you I would have pimped -- but I didn't like the night air? But when you're running these political women, it's really close to the same thing."

Over decades in the murky world of Detroit political consulting, Riddle has worked with a surprising number of women, perhaps because his gravelly voice, wit and air of calm are appealing qualities.

Few partners benefited

Conyers isn't testifying and took a plea bargain.

But it's his love-hate relationships with women that have been his undoing -- and theirs. In retrospect, few of those he's represented -- from former state Rep. Mary Waters (he managed her losing campaign for Congress) to Kay Everett, the now-deceased former councilwoman -- have benefited. Everett was indicted on 27 counts of extortion and bribery while he was working for her.

In various conversations, Riddle -- who worked as Conyers' chief of staff -- calls her "irrational" "unreal," "beyond medication," and says: "We're not dealing with a normal person."

"Me and her, we're on very tenuous ground" and "she's just an undeserving b----. But I mean, I'm hooked up to her and she has access to a lot of s---."


Even Robert Cares, the federal prosecutor trying the case, made the Conyers/Riddle relationship sound like a bad marriage -- one in which the partners break up, then come together again out of mutual need.

And during her campaign for council, Riddle used a two-sided business card -- Monica Conyers' campaign information on one side, and his Meridian Management Systems logo on the other.

"It's rough. You have no idea," he complains on a tapped call to Reggie Barnett, president of Wireless Resources, who prosecutors say was told he had to pay to play for a loan from the pension board.

But Barnett calls his bluff.

"You're the man for it. There's always a man for the situation," he says.

Sam's characterization of Monica isn't kind but based on the numerous news articles about her it seems accurate.  I don't think we can fault him for that.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on January 26, 2010, 03:29:29 PM
And the trial continues:

QuoteAt Riddle trial, calls show Conyers blamed ex-mayor
BY BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers was livid.

It was Sept. 5, 2007 and a city pension board she sat on had just rescinded support for a multimillion-dollar loan she was pushing for a friend of her chief of staff Sam Riddle.

In the case at hand, Wireless Resources Inc. was seeking a loan from the pension board. Its owner, Reggie Barnett, testified that Riddle brought up the idea of a loan during a March 2007 meeting at Fishbone's restaurant in Greektown. Barnett paid Riddle $20,000 in what prosecutors describe as bribe payments for the loan to go through the pension board.

When it didn't happen Conyers blamed ex-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and pension board member Jeff Beasley, whom Conyers and Riddle said was in the mayor's corner and wanted to stop the deal.

"I really want to f--- the mayor and Beasley up," she told Riddle.

"You have to fight fire with fire," Riddle told her.

"I was going to text the mayor," Conyers replied.

The conversations, which were recorded through a wiretap on riddle's phone, were played to a jury today in U.S. District Court in Detroit during Day 2 of a bribery and extortion trial against Riddle.


Prosecutors contend Riddle and Conyers partnered to shake down people who wanted to do business with the Detroit City Council or the General Retirement Services pension board.

In Barnett's case, he explained that his company installs wireless infrastructures for hospitals and retail stores across the country. They recently tried to get a deal for the new Pittsburgh Penguins arena but didn't have enough capital to make it happen, he said.

"We're a small company and you need capital to buy the hardware," he said.

The phone calls between Riddle and Conyers indicate she believed Kilpatrick was trying to sabotage the loan to Barnett through pension board members Beasley, DeDan Milton and Rev. Wendell Anthony.

"I'm really mad at them people," Conyers told Riddle.

"He controls Wendell, DeDan and Beasley," Riddle said.

Riddle called Barnett that same day and reassured him: "I think the councilwoman is going to have to dig in real deep with the mayor on this."

Prosecutors also played phone calls between Riddle and former Kilpatrick aide Derrick Miller.

"Wireless Resources was a priority," Riddle told Miller.

Miller responded: "Sam, we'll get together."

The discussions went back and forth and sometimes went off subject.

During one conversation on Sept. 7, 2007, Riddle told Barnett he was with Conyers at Somerset mall as she shopped for bras.

"Now she wants to start her own bra company, which isn't a bad idea," Riddle told Barnett.


In November, as the deal discussions continued, Riddle complained of a city council heated fight between Sheila Cockrel and Conyers that received news coverage.

"I need to be getting battlefield pay," Riddle told Barnett.

He joked that the fight would probably boost Conyers' approval rating in the city.

"Detroit is a backwards, country-ass town," he told Barnett.

In the end, the loan to Barnett's company never got approved by the pension board. Trustees voted it down in July 2008.

Barnett testified that he had hired Riddle for consulting work in the past and he believed Riddle could get him the loan.

As part of their agreement, which was verbal, Riddle would receive $25,000 and 3% interest in Wireless Resources. The payments were to be made in increments of $5,000.

"Sam wanted some equity in the company," Barnett said.

Riddle's lawyers have argued that Riddle merely performed legitimate consulting work.

When pressed by Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Cares, Barnett acknowledged he believed some amounts of the $5,000 payments to Riddle were going to Conyers.

"I believe some of it could have been," when asked whether the money was going to Conyers. "But I have no factual knowledge of that."

Under cross examination by Riddle's lawyer John Minock, Barnett said: I was hoping I was paying for Sam's expertise."

Minock asked: "You thought he knew how to get things done, right?"

Barnett answered: "Correct."

After he finished testifying, Barnett told the Free Press that he hasn't spoke to Riddle in a couple years.

But he didn't exactly endorse the feds' criminal case against Riddle.

"It's hard to shake somebody down that you've been knowing for 40 years," he said of the allegations against Riddle involving Barnett. "It's a tough case."

Barnett also testified he also had a separate consulting agreement with Derrick Miller to receive a loan for Wireless Resources that would have paid Miller more money than Riddle.

He said he had a signed contract with Miller that occurred after Miller left the mayor's office and worked as a consultant downtown. But, he said, Miller never got him the loan and he never paid Miller.


"I got smarter," he said, after testifying, explaining that he realized that he would pay only a consulting fee if a loan was successful.

Testimony continues this afternoon.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 28, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
Another Travel with Charlie

QuoteBelle Isle a neglected gem waiting for political will
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit --Whenever I feel troubled or penned-in, one of my favorite places is Belle Isle, where I can sit on the bank of the river and let my mind run. But when I went to Belle the other morning, I got a clear and unobstructed view of its 982 acres.

There is no other way to say it: The island, like the city, is plagued by neglect.

Take the Belle Isle Zoo.

It was closed by disgraced former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in 2002 for budget reasons.

He promised to reopen it, but never did. In the meantime, the zoo has given over to climbing vines and wild dogs.

As the zoo was closed, a million dollars was found to build a holding pen for a few dozen European deer that used to roam the island freely. That contract was awarded to Bobby Ferguson, the mayor's friend who got a lot of contracts during the Kilpatrick years.

Today, the holding pen is being dug up and the deer shoved to one corner, since rotting sewer pipes weren't replaced before erecting the pen.

And then there is the Belle Isle Aquarium, a 10,000-square-foot gem with an eight-sided dome that opened in 1904 as the entrance to the botanical conservatory.

Kilpatrick closed the aquarium in 2005, saying the $300,000 a year it cost the city to run the place was better used toward things like tearing down abandoned buildings. In the end, he only succeeded in creating another.

The aquarium is still in a good state of repair. Unlike much of Detroit, vandals and nature have yet to ravage it.

Designed by Albert Kahn as part of the "City Beautiful Movement," the ceilings are still covered in green glass tiles, the viewing tanks are still lined in chromium and the steam heat still operates. The roof needs work.

It is Michigan's only and America's oldest aquarium and the Friends of the Belle Isle Aquarium are trying to raise $1 million to reopen it.

"Once it is lost, it is lost," said Vance Patrick, president of the organization who gave me a tour. "I took my kids there. I went there as a kid. Generations have grown up going to the Belle Isle Aquarium. There is no other opportunity to visit aquatic life in the Great Lakes state."

Two ideas for saving Belle Isle and its venue have been floating around for at least 15 years, but there seems to be no political will or energy to seize upon then.

The first is a conservancy, a public-private partnership that oversees maintenance and improvements to the park. Such an arrangement means funding would come from fundraising, grants and user fees. New York's Central Park has been operating like this since 1980, when joggers feared for their lives and junkies inhabited bathroom stalls.

It should be noted that both Central Park and Belle Isle were designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, the founder of landscape architecture. In my opinion, Belle Isle is the more beautiful.

The conservancy arrangement is not unprecedented in Detroit: the Institute of Arts, Zoo, Science Center and Historical Museum all operate as such. And Belle Isle has no lack of supporters who do much conservation work anyway including: the Friends of Belle Isle, the Belle Isle Botanical Society and the Belle Isle Women's Committee.

The second idea is a user fee, like those used at the Huron-Clinton Metroparks.

Belle Isle now has no budget specifically for itself, said Keith Flournoy, the park manager, since its budget is folded into the greater parks and recreation budget. The budget for all the parks in the city is $25 million, half of what it was when the aquarium was closed.

"If they don't do something soon, all we will pass our children is a pile of rubble," said Ernest Burkeen, the director of Detroit Parks and Recreation under Mayor Dennis Archer and currently the director of Parks and Recreation for the city of Miami.

"Unfortunately, race is always a bogey man. We're giving it away to the suburbs, the argument goes," Burkeen said. "Secondly, there is a political culture in Detroit where you have a bunch of people who are against everything. They can't give you a better way. They simply say no."

Mayor Dave Bing said earlier this year he is considering funding options to resurrect the forlorn island. Residents wait.

If you wish to tour the shuttered aquarium, it will be open from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Feb. 6 as part of the annual Shiver on the River celebration of Belle Isle.

The event will feature live entertainment and the opening of the island's other venues including the casino and conservatory. Donations are welcome.

Belle Isle has historically served the same function for Detroit as Central Park for New York.  There were stables, beaches, a casino and an ice skating rink there.  That's all gone, but now they have drag racing after dark.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 03, 2010, 01:02:45 PM
I'm glad Riddle didn't cut a deal; this is far more entertaining:

QuoteRiddle trial: Conyers got cash for travel and shopping, developer says
Paul Egan / The Detroit News

Detroit -- A real estate developer testified today that he gave former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers thousands of dollars in cash for travel, shopping trips and tuition for one of her children, and Conyers once reached into his pocket at a restaurant and took hundreds of dollars from him.

Melvin Washington, president of the Phoenix Group of companies, said he at first gave Conyers the cash because he considered her a friend but eventually felt pressured and taken advantage of because he had a request for $15 million in financing before a city pension board, on which Conyers sat as a trustee.

"I knew that she could be very explosive and derail my projects," Washington testified.


He said he also paid Conyers $1,200 a month for several months in 2007 for her to provide battered women to clean his offices, he testified.

Washington was "really shocked" when Conyers reached into his pocket one night at Mosaic restaurant and removed hundreds of dollars in cash "in front of everybody."

The testimony came during the corruption trial of political consultant Sam Riddle as it entered its sixth day of evidence today.

Riddle, 63, is charged in a seven-count indictment with charges that include conspiracy, extortion and making a false statement to the FBI.

The charges stem from Riddle's time as a top aide to Conyers, who pleaded guilty to bribery in June and awaits sentencing March 10.

Prosecutors allege Riddle and Conyers teamed up to extort money from businesspeople with matters before the Detroit City Council or the General Retirement System, on which Conyers sat as a trustee.

Jurors earlier heard evidence about alleged shakedowns involving a technology company, a strip club and the $1.2 billion Synagro sludge contract.

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Post by: Savonarola on February 04, 2010, 01:18:42 PM
Still just a pawn in the game of life:

QuoteMongo says Kilpatrick's legacy pushes him to D.C.

Hard-charging adviser wants to leave 'minor leagues'

Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Adolph Mongo -- the hard-charging, hard-drinking political consultant -- was taking lunch the other afternoon at Roma Cafe, the power players' joint in the Eastern Market.

Mongo was having his usual meal: double vodka on the rocks and a tall glass of water. Judge David Groner walked past the bar and waved. Ted Gatzaros, the casino hotelier, stopped to whisper in his ear.

Above the right shoulder of Mongo's Italian suit were televised images of a haggard-looking Sam Riddle, another noted Detroit political consultant, shambling into federal court for yet another day of his corruption trial.


"Dumb a--," Mongo sneered into his drink. "He ain't the reason. Make sure you put that in your story. Riddle and these other clowns ain't the reason I'm moving my office to D.C."

After 20 years in the consulting game, Mongo, 55, has closed his office, also in the Eastern Market, and is taking his hatchet to Capitol Hill.

He is not leaving because the feds have been laying more wire in Detroit than a cable guy, he said. The fact is the FBI has already fingered through Mongo's bank accounts because of his work for disgraced former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

Rather, Mongo insisted he is leaving because of Kilpatrick's legacy: a shattered black political machine that had fed Mongo and other all-stars of Detroit political life for years. Left in Kilpatrick's wreckage, he says, is a hodgepodge of crude nickel-and-dime politicians who don't pay their bills.

"He left this city in shambles," Mongo said of Kilpatrick. "He had the most potential of anybody I ever worked for, and he blew it. What made this town great -- black political power -- has been diluted, sliced up and silenced. Detroit has become the minor leagues."

And so off he goes to K Street, where the drinks are taller, the stakes are higher and the pockets much deeper. Mongo said he will keep his clientele in Detroit but figures they will be better served by his presence in D.C., where Michigan's delegation has been all but neutered by the Obama administration.

"Whether you like it or not, I will be the face of Detroit in Washington," he said.

Top names, long list
Sensitive that some in the power set will view his move as a sign that his career is limping toward irrelevance, Mongo ripped off a list of clients he has represented and others he continues to represent: one governor, one Democratic gubernatorial candidate, five appellate court judges, seven circuit court judges, five district court judges, three mayors, three county prosecutors, two members of Congress, six City Council members and powerbroker Edward McNamara, the late Wayne County executive.

If any proof is needed that politics makes strange bedfellows, then consider Kilpatrick's obstruction of justice hearings nearly two years ago. It was something of a family reunion for Mongo. He had worked on a political campaign for not only Kilpatrick, but also for the presiding district judge, Ronald Giles, and Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy.

"All were enemies and all were friends," said Mongo, paraphrasing his career by paraphrasing a biblical verse, Romans 5:10. "It was like having my nieces and nephews together."

Mongo ordered another.

His cell phone rang. It was a spy inside City Hall calling with gossip. "The feds ain't the only ones with snitches in City Hall," he cackled.

Mongo took a message, then showed off his contacts list. It was a veritable Who's Who in Detroit politics. So potent is the directory that after his car was stolen a few years ago, a man wandered into the police precinct to return Mongo's cell phone.

"The guy told the cops that he looked through the numbers and figured it was important," he said. "The phone was too hot for him."

Mongo ordered dessert on the rocks.

There is little doubt that many in the metropolitan region will be happy to see him go. A former Marine and newspaperman, Mongo cut his political teeth in the Coleman Young machine.

And like Young, Mongo speaks his mind, and he speaks loudly.

Mongo now takes credit for the infamous back-page "lynching" ad that ran in a special edition of the Michigan Chronicle in 2005 commemorating the life and death of Rosa Parks. The ad compared a photograph of black men hanging from a tree to the media's treatment of Kilpatrick, who was seeking re-election and was far down in the polls.

'My biggest win'

"It was my biggest win and among my finest work," he said. "Of course I take advantage of racial issues. I'm good at it. Isn't that what Lee Atwater did for Daddy Bush with the Willie Horton ad? Do they call him a race-baiter?"

Washington politics is a dirty, brass-knuckle free-for-all, and it is precisely this freedom, he said, that compels Mongo to Washington.

"Winning is the cardinal rule in politics," he said. "When you look at it like that, I'm a choirboy compared to some people in D.C."

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 04, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
QuoteAssaults, robberies plague new transit center
Security cuts cause problems for riders
BY SUZETTE HACKNEY
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


With great fanfare, the $22.5-million Rosa Parks Transit Center opened in July, promising Detroit bus riders a 24-hour shelter that included rest rooms, a bus fare cashier station, information and security booths, a coffee shop and other retail outlets.


Yet, on any given day or night, riders from around the region are met with "Temporarily Closed" signs posted on the center's doors.

In a memo obtained by the Free Press, Detroit Department of Transportation officials admit that the transit center closes at various times during the week and weekends because of the city's current fiscal constraints -- its inability to maintain appropriate staffing levels because of the layoffs of security personnel.

The city's remedy: A Detroit Police Department mini-station is likely to open inside the center within the next two weeks, said Charles Beckham, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing's group executive for operations.

"We know we have a problem there, and we have not ignored the problem," he said.

Bathing, dealing, sleeping
Within the last three weeks at the Rosa Parks Transit Center, a woman has been caught bathing her cat in a sink, numerous drug deals have gone down and a man who was sleeping in a bathroom stall grew testy when he was awakened by a guard on patrol.

Though there's a need for more security -- not less -- at the transit center at the corner of Michigan and Cass, six of the 16 security guards hired to protect Detroit Department of Transportation properties have been laid off in recent months.

When it becomes evident to DDOT officials that they do not have enough personnel to keep the center open, they close it. The practice has been happening since November, just as temperatures started to drop.

"It seems like it closes when it's at zero or below zero," said Clifford Grose, 59, who rides the bus daily.

The Detroit Police Department has increased patrols of the transit center, which also serves as a hub for SMART, Transit Windsor, Megabus and the People Mover. Still, city officials say drug trafficking, loitering and even assaults are a daily occurrence.

A DDOT security guard who described himself as a veteran employee and declined to give his name for fear of losing his job, said workers don't feel safe. He said co-workers volunteer to come in to help keep their colleagues safe.

On Tuesday, city officials met with Detroit Police Department leaders to craft a plan. In the works is a mini-station that would house some officers, reserve officers and city security guards. The problems, which also include fights and stolen property, have escalated in recent weeks, said Beckham.

"We're closing it down to protect the riders that come in there, not to deny them a place to stay warm or seek shelter," Beckham said.

A Tim Hortons and Louisiana gumbo restaurant are scheduled to set up shop in a couple weeks, Beckham said, and "the vendors and patrons need to feel safe and secure."

Riders are frustrated by the inconvenience, and have begun lodging complaints with the city. The biggest rub: arbitrary closings. One resident who filed a complaint with the Ombudsman's Office said often seniors and children, who may not be dressed for long waits, are unprepared to be greeted by a shuttered facility.

Dassari Wallace, 14, a Cass Technical High School student, uses the station as a transfer point after school. She said within the last two weeks, the center has been closed when she arrived -- once at 4:30 p.m. and once at 6 p.m.

"We all got off the bus and began running for it because it was freezing cold that day," Dassari said. "When we saw that it was empty, we couldn't believe it. All my little dreams were crushed."

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 17, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
Sorry to see this happen, but at least Apple got some free publicity:

QuoteMistrial declared in Riddle public corruption case
BY BEN SCHMITT and JOHN WISELY
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

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Emotional and exhausted, a group of jurors in the Sam Riddle political corruption case today blamed one holdout juror for injecting race into discussions and refusing to deliberate with others, leading to a mistrial.

"She shut us down at a lot of levels," said jury foreman Matt Lefevre of Clinton Township. "Her mind was made up before the door shut."

The holdout juror, who is a flight attendant from Auburn Hills, had her mind made up early and wasn't open to persuasion.

The government intends to retry Riddle, said Gina Balaya, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, this afternoon.

"We tried for five days," said juror Margaret Elyakin of Ann Arbor. "We were civil. If you tried to say anything, she would lash out at you."

The holdout, who is African American, declined to give her name and repeatedly said, "It was interesting." and "No comment," as she left the federal courthouse.

"I pray to God that they retry the case and do it with the same energy that they did this time," Lefevre said. "I felt the government did an excellent job."

Riddle certainly seemed to expect another trial.
"The American system of justice worked and we proceed with Round 2," Riddle said before leaving the courthouse.

In declaring a mistrial at 11 a.m., U.S. District Court Judge Avern Cohn advised jurors not to talk to the media. "You would be better off to chalk this up to one of life's experiences and keep your mouths shut," Cohn said.

But several jurors wanted to vent on the courthouse steps.

Jay Gandhi of Lake Orion said the holdout juror accused other jurors of being racist and at one point the juror sarcastically said, "Let's hang the black man."

"I said, 'No, I will not hang 800,000 city of Detroit residents, ' " Gandhi said.

She said 'Y'all just want to hang the black man,'" said juror Judy Sochocki of Southgate. "She implied we were racist."

Lefevre was more blunt.

"She accused us of being prejudiced," Lefevre said. "She accused the FBI of lying."
"If you can't find this man guilty, you can't find anyone guilty," Elyakin said. "Unfortunately, it came down to race."

Juror Sue Persichni of Chesterfield Township started crying when describing deliberations.
"It was a long case and we worked very hard," she said. "Because of one juror we couldn't accomplish anything. You just feel bad."

Persichini said the lone holdout juror sometimes refused to talk or vote when discussing the charges. However, at one point, Persichini said, the juror agreed to consider the charge involving the scandal surrounding the Synagro sludge-hauling contract with the city of Detroit.
"The next day, she changed her mind," Persichini said.

Riddle's defense lawyers had expressed concern that the pool of 100 prospective jurors did not represent the 22% black population in the U.S. District Court's Eastern District because only nine of them were nonwhite.

Originally, two black women jurors were selected but one was randomly chosen as an alternate and sent home during deliberations.

Prosecutors charged that Riddle and his former boss, ex-Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, shook down people who wanted to do business with the City Council or a city pension board where Conyers sat as a trustee.

Riddle is charged in a seven-count indictment alleging extortion-related crimes stemming from his time working for Conyers, who pleaded guilty to bribery last summer and awaits sentencing March 10. He worked as Conyers' chief of staff.

As Riddle walked from the federal courthouse to his vehicle, he was asked what he planned to do the rest of the day. He said: "I'm taking my iPhone back and getting an upgrade."
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Post by: garbon on February 17, 2010, 05:27:47 PM
QuoteAssaults, robberies plague new transit center
"We all got off the bus and began running for it because it was freezing cold that day," Dassari said. "When we saw that it was empty, we couldn't believe it. All my little dreams were crushed."

This is why you should dream big, dear.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 19, 2010, 02:08:30 PM
Can't stay out of trouble, even for a day, but he still looks faboulous:

Quote

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Riddle ordered to wear tether, hits back at critics

George Hunter and paul egan / The Detroit News

Detroit -- Political consultant Sam Riddle, ordered by a judge today to return to wearing an electronic tether, lashed out at critics on his Facebook page who criticized him for violating a court order from his domestic assault case by having contact with the alleged victim, former state Rep. Mary Waters.

"I will live my life as I (expletive) see fit," Riddle posted on Facebook shortly after noon today. "I am prepared to suffer any consequences for not surrendering my soul -- don't like that? Then get off my (expletive) page."

Wayne Circuit Judge Gregory Bill said during an emergency bond hearing that Riddle must be monitored because of recent contact he had with Waters, his former live-in companion.

Riddle was on bond from a domestic assault case involving Waters. As part of Bill's bond order, Riddle was to have no contact with Waters, who was present in the courtroom today.

"My order has been violated," Bill admonished Riddle in the courtroom. Bill warned Riddle that he considered incarceration.

At one point during the hearing, Riddle interrupted Bill, which caused the judge to snap back.

"Please ... the only person who likes their sentence interrupted is an inmate," Bill said.

Bill also told Waters not to have any further contact with Riddle.

"If Miss Waters initiates contact, she might be the one standing in front of me next time," he said.

Riddle said the meeting with Waters, which occurred at a Birmingham movie theater on Valentine's Day, was by happenstance and that Waters initiated the contact.

"I've been to a lot places. I see a lot of different people," Riddle also said after the proceeding. "When I see her, I'll have to make her an invisible woman. I'm not permitted to acknowledge the humanity of Mary Waters."

Riddle also said he believes he is being "tag-teamed" by the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office and the Department of Justice.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy responded to Riddle's comments in a written statement after the hearing.

"This office handles over 8,000 domestic violence cases a year," she said. "We are treating this case the same as any other domestic violence case.

"We are duty-bound as officers of the court to immediately report any violation of court conditions. We agree with the court's decision to reinstate the tether today."

Riddle, who also indicated that he's considering retaining prominent lawyer Geoffrey Fieger, joked about the tether.

"Man, I can't wear my cowboy boots with this thing on," he said.

In addition to the state assault case, Riddle has been indicted by the Justice Department in two corruption cases in federal court in Detroit.

The first case, in which Riddle is accused of shaking down businesses for consulting payments while he worked as a top aide to former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, ended in a mistrial Wednesday. The government says it will try the case again.

Riddle and Waters are scheduled to stand trial in federal court June 1 on allegations they bribed former Southfield City Councilman William Lattimore in connection with a pawn shop relocation. Lattimore has pleaded guilty to bribery and awaits sentencing.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 22, 2010, 09:03:35 AM
Shocked, yes I am shocked to discover corruption in Detroit:

QuoteFeds have evidence ex-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick took bribes
Contractor said Kilpatrick got up to $100K, his father up to $290K; Kilpatrick's lawyer says he knows nothing of bribery accusation
BY JENNIFER DIXON and JIM SCHAEFER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

A contractor who pleaded guilty in an ongoing corruption probe in Detroit has told investigators that he handed as much as $100,000 in bribes to then-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in 2002, according to interviews and sworn documents reviewed by the Free Press.

The contractor, Karl Kado of West Bloomfield, also told the FBI he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the mayor's father, and thousands more to a close mayoral aide, according to the records and interviews.


Kado told authorities he paid Kwame Kilpatrick in four or five installments of about $20,000 each. Kado, who is awaiting sentencing for paying bribes to protect multimillion-dollar Cobo Center contracts, said he sometimes delivered the money in envelopes to Kilpatrick's office on the 11th floor at City Hall, and sometimes Kilpatrick dropped by Cobo to get the cash.

The allegations are significant because they show, for the first time, that the government has secured the cooperation of someone who says he gave payoffs directly to Kilpatrick.

Authorities obtained the information as part of a years-long, complex and wide-ranging investigation in Detroit and Southfield that has produced a series of public corruption charges and 10 guilty pleas.


In pursuing Kilpatrick, investigators tracked cash moving in and out of bank accounts and wiretapped the phone of his father, among others, while slowly trying to build a case.

FBI agents also contend in sworn statements that they have grounds to believe Kilpatrick and his associates used the mayor's office to run a criminal enterprise, a term the FBI reserves for organized crime and racketeering cases.

It remains to be seen whether Kilpatrick or his father will ever face federal charges.

Kilpatrick's attorney, James Thomas, said he does not know of any bribery accusations against his client. The mayor's father, Bernard Kilpatrick, did not respond to interview requests. Kado and his lawyer declined to comment.

FBI believes mayor used office in criminal enterprise
In their investigation of Kwame Kilpatrick, FBI agents are trying to prove that the ex-Detroit mayor and his associates used his elected office as a criminal enterprise to enrich themselves, according to sworn documents reviewed by the Free Press and interviews with people familiar with the probe.

It's not clear whether the federal government will ever bring charges against Kilpatrick.

But in trying to build a case of criminal conspiracy, federal authorities have scrutinized a variety of evidence they say they have gathered against Kilpatrick, his father and close associates of the former mayor, according to records and people familiar with the probe.

Authorities describe a variety of alleged bribes and extortion demands during Kilpatrick's years in office that, when taken together, could amount to racketeering violations under federal law. Allegations cited in government documents and culled from interviews include:

• That Kwame Kilpatrick accepted bribes of up to $100,000 from Kado, a businessman who had exclusive, no-bid janitorial and electrical-services contracts at Cobo Center and a sundry shop at the convention hall.

• That Kilpatrick deposited unspecified sums of cash into bank accounts without declaring the funds as income.

• That Bernard Kilpatrick received large amounts of money from contractors and business owners in return for official acts by the mayor; and that he pressured others to donate to his son's political or civic fund.

• That Kado paid at least $30,000 in bribes to mayoral aide Derrick Miller, including $10,000 for a trip to Europe.

• That Miller told a local businessman he would be punished for backing a political opponent when Kilpatrick sought re-election. Shortly afterward, the businessman's commercial vehicles started getting ticketed in Detroit -- with the directive to do so allegedly coming from the mayor's office.


FBI agents have said they believe these activities and others constitute a criminal enterprise -- wording that indicates the government is trying to build a case under the Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO, which has been used to prosecute a pattern of crimes by public officials, Wall Street swindlers and, most notably, Mafia families.

A RICO case -- if it ever materializes -- would expose Kwame Kilpatrick to far greater potential punishment than others who have been charged in an ongoing metro Detroit public corruption probe. Defendants in RICO cases can face up to 20 years on each count.

Peter Henning, a Wayne State University law professor and former federal prosecutor, said building a RICO case may explain why federal prosecutors have spent years investigating Kilpatrick.

"It wouldn't be surprising if it took two or three years to build a case," Henning said.

Kilpatrick did not return phone and e-mail messages seeking comment Friday and Saturday. James Thomas, his criminal defense lawyer, said Friday he did not know of any bribery accusations against his client in the federal corruption probe.

"I am not aware of any direct payment that was ever made to Kwame Kilpatrick," said Thomas, who helped defend Kilpatrick against perjury-related charges in the text message scandal. "And frankly, I'd be surprised to see it.

"But I'm not going to try my case in the media. There hasn't even been an indictment yet. If Mr. Kilpatrick is charged, we will try our case in the court and not in the press."

Bernard Kilpatrick and Miller could not be reached for comment.

Kado provides specific evidence
In the long-running metro Detroit probe, which has already produced 10 guilty pleas, the government has talked to scores of people, subpoenaed bank and business records, and obtained court approval to wiretap phone conversations of Bernard Kilpatrick, then-aides to the mayor and others.

The most specific evidence to come out against Kwame Kilpatrick in the government documents and in interviews involves Kado, the onetime Cobo Center contractor. He is set to be sentenced in March, after admitting that he bribed a Cobo official, who is now in prison, and a city official and an associate of that official, both unidentified.

It is unclear what, if any, evidence federal authorities have to corroborate Kado's claim that he bribed the ex-mayor.

Kado, 69, declined to be interviewed Friday, as did his lawyer.

But the records reviewed by the Free Press show that Kado began to secretly cooperate with the government's long-running investigation of city hall corruption well before he was criminally charged in August 2008.

Kado offered the FBI the following account:

He said Kilpatrick initially approached him in 2001, when he was first running for mayor, and asked for Kado's support. Two or three days later, Miller, Kilpatrick's longtime friend, visited Kado at Cobo, where Kado ran a sundries shop.

Kado said he turned over $10,000 for the election.

Kado told agents that after Kilpatrick won election, he was hit up for cash by Kilpatrick's father, Bernard. Kado said he decided to pay because he believed Bernard Kilpatrick -- who had set up a consulting business just 10 days before his son took office -- could get Kwame Kilpatrick to help Kado resolve any problems at Cobo.

Kado estimated that he paid Bernard Kilpatrick as much as $290,000 between 2002 and 2005. The Free Press previously reported that federal authorities have tried to determine whether Bernard Kilpatrick was involved in payoff schemes to steer city business to contractors, and whether he illegally passed along money to his son.

In September 2005, the U.S. Attorney's Office wrote to Kado that he was a target of its corruption probe. Kado said he showed the letter to Bernard Kilpatrick, who rented office space from Kado in a building on East Jefferson, and asked him for advice about hiring a lawyer.

He said Bernard Kilpatrick asked whether he knew who the government was investigating. Kado said he wasn't sure, but said that Bernard Kilpatrick could be a focus. He said he then told Bernard Kilpatrick he couldn't give him any more money because the FBI was after him.

Thirty to 40 minutes later, according to Kado's account, Bernard Kilpatrick approached Kado in the parking lot and told him he could get Kado another 10 years at Cobo if he was willing to work together. Kado said he declined, telling Bernard Kilpatrick not to worry about it.

$10,000 here, $10,000 there for an aide
According to Kado's account, he also told FBI agents that Miller, the city's chief information officer under Kilpatrick, pressured Kado to give a piece of his lucrative electrical contract at Cobo to Miller's relative, who had been lobbying Kado for work.

Kado said he balked and contacted Bernard Kilpatrick to complain. After that, the relative stopped coming around Cobo.

Kado said he later regretted rebuffing Miller, believing he may have damaged his relationship with the mayor's close friend. So, at a party in the Palmer Park neighborhood in late 2003 or early 2004, Kado said, he gave Miller an envelope with $10,000 in cash.

Miller wanted more, Kado told authorities, and asked him for another $10,000 so he could attend a European auto show. Kado said he paid the money in late 2004.


Miller has not been criminally charged by the feds.

In August 2008, well after Kado began talking with the feds, he was charged with felony tax violations in connection with bribes at Cobo.

Last June, he admitted that he failed to report $270,000 from his sundry business that he used to bribe a Cobo Center director, an unnamed city official and that official's associate to protect no-bid contracts that generated about $1 million a year in profits for Kado. When he is sentenced in March, Kado faces a mere zero to six months in prison because of his cooperation.

RICO case has pros and cons
Federal RICO law defines a criminal enterprise as "any group of six or more people" who engage in a pattern of crimes such as bribery, extortion, money laundering, mail, or wire fraud."

"Such groups maintain their position through ... corrupt public officials, graft, or extortion, and generally have a significant impact on the people in their locales," the FBI says on its Web site.

In the records reviewed by the Free Press, federal agents listed at least eight people who they say participated in the Detroit conspiracy. The list included Kwame and Bernard Kilpatrick, and Miller.

To date, a dozen people have been charged in the Detroit-area corruption probe, with 10 pleading guilty. They have faced bribery and other charges carrying up to five-year prison terms.

Should Kilpatrick be charged under RICO, he will face up to 20 years on each count, if convicted. The government could also seize whatever assets Kilpatrick has left after state authorities finish collecting from him in the text message scandal.

David Griem, a Detroit criminal defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor, said pursuing a RICO case gives prosecutors two advantages.

"You increase or enhance the potential penalties if they are convicted, and it paves the way for forfeiture," Griem said, referring to the government's ability to seize any property that may have been purchased with criminal proceeds.

But, he said, a racketeering prosecution also "greatly complicates the case and makes it more difficult to prove."

Feds also may build money case
Government documents suggest the FBI also is investigating possible money-laundering or tax evasion by the ex-mayor.

Kilpatrick, who has been under criminal probe by the Internal Revenue Service, made several cash deposits, which he kept under $10,000 -- the level that would trigger automatic scrutiny by federal bank regulators, the documents reviewed by the Free Press say. The cash was deposited without being reported as income, the records contend. Authorities say Kilpatrick also paid credit card bills with cash.

Griem said the government would likely look closely at possible money laundering when someone makes cash deposits and also pays their bills with cash, particularly if the person is not running a cash-intensive business.

"If there is a pattern of such activities, this will certainly come under the scrutiny of federal investigators," Griem said.

I always assumed that Kwame would rise phoenix like from the ashes and once again assume his rightful place as mayor; like a Detroit style King Arthur.  With this latest scandal, though, I'm not so sure.  This may be too much even for the city of Detroit.

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 22, 2010, 10:27:19 AM
And you can always count on the FREEP forums for the most erudite commentary:

i think its hilarious when a black person does anything wrong white folks come out of the woodwork with all their negative bs.when a white amn does something stupid i hear absolutely nothing.i guarantee my white education i recieved that if this were vice versa we would not have nearly half the post.you know why because black people dont care about what white people do thats your business.so continue with your racist remarks nothing will change and its noone were hurting in particular say, for maybe our kids future.

This is so true, why I have heard barely any negative commentary about the stupid things George W. Bush did.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 22, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
And another:

LOOK AT THESE FOOLS, TAKE MONEY FROM THE WHITE MAN, WHITE MAN SNITCHES ON ALL YOUR PEOPLE, HE GETS MILLIONS YOU GET HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, HE'S LOOKING AT 0-6 MONTHS AND UR LOOKING AT 20 YEARS MINIMUM IN FEDERAL PRISON. SMALL FISHES ALWAYS GET CAUGHT FIRST AND THROWN IN THE FRYING PAN!!!! IDIOTS

You just can't trust the White Devil to keep quiet after extorting him.   :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 24, 2010, 06:06:21 PM
QuoteKilpatrick must live lavishly, his lawyer says
Appeal aims to delay hearing on probation
BY JOE SWICKARD and BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

Kwame Kilpatrick is living large because, his lawyer says, he has to.
 
Kilpatrick's attorney, Daniel Hajji, made the claim in an impassioned 14-page motion filed with the state Court of Appeals late Tuesday in an effort to postpone the ex-Detroit mayor's Friday probation-violation hearing in circuit court -- one that could eventually land him behind bars.

Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner will arraign Kilpatrick for failing to pay $79,011 toward the $1 million he owes in restitution by last Friday's deadline. Kilpatrick and his lawyers say he doesn't have the money, despite his plush lifestyle in a tony Dallas suburb and $120,000-a-year sales job for Covisint, a Compuware subsidiary.

"The clientele he must establish a rapport with are likely to be the privileged and the affluent," Hajji said in the motion. "Burgers and beer at the local bar is not going to be sufficient."


Maria Miller, spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, said: "We intend to file a response tomorrow with the Court of Appeals."

'Detroit is being revictimized'
In a motion asking the appeals court to reconsider and postpone Kilpatrick's Friday probation-violation hearing in circuit court, Hajji said: "Detroit is being revictimized, and this time, the trial court and the prosecution are lending a hand."

Hajji said it would be no surprise if Kilpatrick loses his job because of the additional scrutiny. "The trial court and the prosecution do not seem to be concerned with getting the restitution paid," he wrote of Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner.

"The trial court appears to infer that it wants Mr. Kilpatrick to live a middle-class existence, when such an existence is inconsistent with earning a sufficient amount to fulfill his restitution obligation.

"Mr. Kilpatrick is going to have to function in the upper echelons of society."

Kilpatrick works as a sales representative for Covisint, a subsidiary of Detroit-based Compuware. He has a base salary of $120,000, but could earn substantially more through commissions. Compuware officials could not be reached for comment Tuesday evening.

Miller said Tuesday that its lawyers will be in court Friday and ready.

Groner is to arraign Kilpatrick on Friday on a probation violation for failing to pay $79,011 toward the $1 million he owes in restitution by last Friday. But, unless the former mayor pleads guilty, which is unlikely, don't look for a hearing on the matter for weeks.

Hajji wrote in his motion that the case had become "a farce."

"Yet, here the prosecution adds another layer of absurdity," he wrote.

When Kilpatrick wept in Groner's court as prosecutors played jailhouse conversations between him and his wife during restitution hearings last fall, Hajji said: "Mr. Kilpatrick's tears were real. ... He only asks that his family be left alone. ... Mr. Kilpatrick wishes to move on, even if the City of Detroit does not."

In the 14-page motion filled with assertions in bold type and snarky asides, Hajji raised the specter of racial divisions in metro Detroit surrounding the Kilpatrick case.

"The town is divided, with many of the opinion that Mr. Kilpatrick is nothing more than a darker version of Bill Clinton, many of the opinion that he was corrupt, and many of the opinion that his is just another giant fiasco that is accomplishing little more than giving Detroit another black eye."


During a hearing Tuesday over Kilpatrick's failure to pay, Beverly Smith, area manager for the Michigan Department of Corrections, gave Groner a draft report outlining the department's assertion that Kilpatrick violated his probation by failing to make the full $79,011 payment by Friday.

However, payments for the former mayor came in through 57 money orders totaling $14,048 on Friday and 17 money orders totaling $21,125 on Monday. The money came from unidentified payees.

Smith told Groner the report recommends a probation-violation warrant be issued for Kilpatrick.

After the hearing, Michael Alan Schwartz, one of Kilpatrick's lawyers, said the violation hearing will not become a gimme for prosecutors: "You got to have due process ... and I'm going to hold them to their proofs."

He also said that some of Kilpatrick's payments could have been donations from "warm-hearted people" who wanted to help out.

In 2008, Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and no contest to assault and resigned from office. The plea came after the Free Press broke the text message scandal that showed that Kilpatrick and his former chief of staff Christine Beatty perjured themselves during a 2007 civil whistle-blowers trial involving police officers.

Kilpatrick served 99 days in jail and was ordered to pay $1 million in restitution to Detroit. He then filed a document claiming he could spare only $6 a month for his beloved city as he lounged in a swank $1.1-million Texas mansion.

And when Kilpatrick missed Friday's deadline for the $79,011 restitution payment, he apparently opened the door for additional probation violations. Prosecutors contend that Kilpatrick has repeatedly violated probation by lying about his finances and hidings his assets with his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick.

University of Detroit-Mercy law professor Richard Krisciunas said the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice sometimes rivals the healing shrine at Lourdes when someone is facing the stark choice of pay or jail: "A guy will say he's broke, and the judge will say '30 days.' The next thing you know, here's ... the cash. It's a miracle!"

A former high-ranking Wayne County prosecutor, Krisciunas said Kilpatrick was the author of his own woes: "He's maintaining a lifestyle of the rich and famous and then the utter stupidity of claiming he can only pay $6 a month."

Livonia attorney Bill Winters, who is president of the Wayne County Criminal Defense Bar association, said he believes Groner has every right to jail Kilpatrick.

"In general, a defendant who willfully ignores or refuses to pay restitution, providing that person has the means to pay, can be jailed," Winters said Tuesday. "Whether it's going to happen with this defendant, I don't know."

Your heart just goes out to the guy.   :(  His mother is a congresswoman; it's his divine right to live an upper class lifestyle.  :(
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on February 24, 2010, 06:18:35 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 25, 2010, 03:02:02 PM
Another Travel with Charlie:

QuoteBlue-collar workers hanging on by thread
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Garden City -- They arrive at work at 7:25 a.m. and many of their cars are rusting buckets of crud. Except for the boss's. He drives a Volvo.

Walk in the door at Schaefer Screw Products and there is the enemy -- the clock. The oil vapors and solvents are overwhelming. The yellow light is dispiriting. The workers don't want to be here. The liquor bottles in the weedy lot out back tell part of the story. The graffiti in the bathroom -- profanely denouncing "hard workers" -- tells the rest.

The workers punch the clock at precisely 7:30 a.m., not a minute later since they would be docked 14 minutes and nobody in America works 14 minutes for free. A quiet resignation settles over them as the roar of the screw grinding machines rev up. Want it or not, they need to be here. After this place, there is no place. Not in today's America.

This machine shop may be the next wobbling domino in the collapse of the American manufacturing sector and the struggles of its blue-collar workers. There are at least seven shops nearby that are available for lease.

Schaefer Screw is in an industrial section of Garden City north of Ford Road, about two miles west of Detroit.

My brother Bill Parker and his wife Kim work there. Bill, 35, made $70,000 shuffling subprime mortgages for Rock Financial in 2006. He used to wear suits and now he wears oily jeans making $8.50 an hour counting and cleaning screws. For Christmas, he got a $43.80 bonus and evicted from the house he wrote the mortgage on.

"Dude, I was making more than that in high school," he said. Then he recited the new battle cry of a generation: "I'm just glad to be working."

Schaefer Screw is a three-generation mom-and-pop shop dating back to 1946. By all rights it should have a "For Sale sign" in the window. Its jobs should be overseas in places like Guangzhou and Juarez and Bangalore, where the labor is cheap.

Free trade is friend and foe
The ironic bit is this: Schaefer Screw would not be here at all had it not been for the cheap Chinese labor that supplies the plant with screws and bolts and fittings and nipples. Inside its 20,000-square-foot frame sits a snapshot of American lives of desperation: falling wages, fewer hours, homes nearing default, a business nearing failure, worker/management friction.

"I got a call from New York in 2001," recalled the owner Mike Szalay, 45, who along with his brother Mark took the place over from his father Sanford, who took it from his father Mike. The caller was a competitor, but also a friend. "He warned me that my prices were too high. He said guys in China are coming in and they're going to kill you. Get with it. NAFTA is here. So I kicked a few pieces over there I wasn't making money on, standard plumbing fittings. I thought I'd give it a try. They came back. The quality was good; the price was right."

NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, created a free trade block beginning in 1994. But that is only part of the story. The World Trade Organization (WTO) began quietly in 1995, encouraging a sort of worldwide NAFTA that all but eliminated international trade barriers. China was admitted in November 2001 and since then Michigan has lost nearly 400,000 manufacturing jobs or nearly 50 percent of its industrial work force.

"It's got its roots in the Big Three," Szalay said of the job losses. "The big boys made so much money, they gave the unions whatever they wanted, no matter what productivity was. They gave a guy $28 an hour to lean on a broom. So it trickled down and my guy wanted $20 to lean on a broom. It got so bad they figured out a way not to pay the guy with the broom. They moved whole factories, whole industries overseas.

"But now it's swung too far. We've got nothing left here. I'm employing people in menial jobs just to keep them going. And I'm scared to death that this place is going to die. How are we going to pay this national debt back? The stimulus? What sort of jobs are we going to tax? Where's the value in the money?"

Schaefer employs 20 people, down from 40 when the WTO began. It is considered a manufacturer, but only about 25 percent of the product is made on site. What choice did he have?

"I'm a distributor technically," said Szalay.

Except for the few machinists filling spot orders, the menial jobs consist basically of removing screws from a box that says Made in China, counting the bits, cleaning them and putting them into new boxes that do not say Made in China.

There are machines that can count and clean screws more quickly and efficiently than a human being, Szalay said, but the machines cost $50,000 plus maintenance and software. In today's America, a human being is cheaper than a machine in the short run.

At the same time, Szalay had to ask his workers for concessions: a 5 percent reduction in pay and a 20 percent cutback in hours. This is not unusual. The average hourly earnings for the American worker fell last year by nearly 2 percent when adjusted for inflation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Of the more than 8 million jobs lost in the past two years -- 2 million were the good-paying jobs in the manufacturing sector.

The workers were not pleased. When Szalay went back into his office, a machinist said this of the boss: "I'm sicka hearing about the economy. What's he gonna do? Trade in his Hummer for a Porsche?"

He traded it for the Volvo.

Struggling to get by
For workers here, Szalay is the closest they will come to THE MAN. And by THE MAN they mean the bozos in Washington, D.C., who voted for the trade agreements and the bank deregulations that let the jobs slip away and money disappear into thin air.

When they say THE MAN, they mean the wolves on Wall Street who amplified the housing bubble and nearly took the world economy down. Instead of paying the price and going out of business and collecting their own unemployment checks, the Wall Street wizards got a multibillion-dollar bailout paid for in part by that $43.80 screw factory bonus. Now those wizards are making beaucoupbonuses again while some see darker clouds on the horizon.

Goldman Sachs, which was a heartbeat away from failure in 2008 and received $40 billion in federal aid, paid out $16 billion in bonuses and compensation in 2009 -- an average of nearly $500,000 per employee. The bank paid just $14 million in taxes. At the same time, Deutsche Bank forecasts that a quarter of homeowners are underwater and RealtyTrac.com reported 315,000 foreclosures in January, the most for that month on record. Many economists are predicting a bleak year in the housing market if wages and unemployment don't improve.

"You feel the whole thing's a swindle," says Cindi Borbi, the 59-year-old account manager behind a desk behind a cloud of cigarette smoke. Her husband took his life last year after being let go from his auto supply firm. He left his wife a broken heart, a mound of debt and a house she can't pay for. "I'm looking for a basement if you've got one."

Amanda Wollschlager, 26, is giving up her home. Her husband was laid off a year ago from a white-collar job at an auto supplier. His unemployment benefits will run out in March. They are packing up the baby and heading to Arizona. "We heard there's jobs out there, hopefully," she said.

Mike Straw, 42, must be the most honest man in America. Straw, a 12th-grade dropout, earns $8 an hour but takes home about $75 a week. Up to his neck in house payments on a house that is no longer worth what he owes, Straw has decided to pay instead of walk away.

Why?, he was asked. A lot of people are walking out on debts.

"A lot of people do, but I don't," he said. "If everybody walked away on what they owe, where would we be?"

And with that, the lunch bell rang. Everybody was huddled around the time clock like it was the only thing giving off heat.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Alcibiades on February 25, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
Depressing.  What do you do Sav, employment wise, if you don't mind me asking.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: HVC on February 25, 2010, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 25, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
Depressing.  What do you do Sav, employment wise, if you don't mind me asking.
He works for the Detriot Tourism Association


:p
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 25, 2010, 03:38:59 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 25, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
Depressing.  What do you do Sav, employment wise, if you don't mind me asking.

Not at all, I'm an engineer for the Cellular division of AT&T.  Business is booming for us; even in a recession people can't live without iPhones.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 25, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 25, 2010, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 25, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
Depressing.  What do you do Sav, employment wise, if you don't mind me asking.
He works for the Detriot Tourism Association


:p

:lol:

I'm trying to play up the "Adventure Tourism" angle.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 26, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
QuoteTwo Detroit Schools Employees Suspended


Detroit (WWJ)  -- A principal and bookkeeper at Detroit Public Schools Randolph Career and Technical Center have been suspended without pay for allegedly using school funds to remodel their homes and pay for personal food and gasoline. 

Detroit Public Schools Inspector General John Bell said principal Gwendolyn Miller and bookkeeper Eugenia Holimon will face disciplinary hearings for allegedly misusing school funds. 

Bell said an investigation was started last July after a former worker at Randolph phoned in a tip about possible wrongdoing. 

Bell said Holimon allegedly used Home Depot, Sam's Club and Dell Catalogue sales for personal purposes, that school employees installed a furnace at Miller's residence, and that the school's Comerica checking account was used to purchase equipment for Miller's residence.

The investigation showed that between December 2006 and June 2009 Holimon, who has been with the district for 19 years, spent in excess of $29,000 of Randolph funds for a home mortgage, purchased a $2,995 projector for her boyfriend and purchased $6,200 on food and gasoline for her family's personal use.

Bell also said Holimon's son, who lives out of state, made $6,700 in unauthorized Sam's Club purchases via Randolph's account.

Miller, who has been with the district for 26 years, allegedly ran a tab of $642.28 over a three year period at the school's boutique shop.

The district's investigation showed that fraudulent bank statements, computer request quotations and vendor letters were created to conceal true items purchased.

The two suspensions are the third and fourth such suspensions.  Last June, the district suspended the principal and bookkeeper at Golightly Vocational and Technical Center for misuse of school funds.

Bell and Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb said several other investigations are underway and say those stealing from the district will be caught.

The depressing (well, on of the depressing) thing about this is that if the School Board had remained solvent these people would never have been caught.  The DPS never did audits, they didn't even have a process to do audits.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on February 26, 2010, 01:50:25 PM
How Detroit is saving you money:

QuoteMillions from stimulus unspent

Detroit has received $170 million in federal stimulus dollars but has been able to spend only $16.8 million of it because the city is broke, and most of the available grants require it to spend money up front and get reimbursed.


But for a city courting a $330-million deficit, spending on anything but the necessities is next to impossible.


Today, the Detroit City Council is expected to receive an update on how stimulus money is being spent within the city.

City department officials are scrambling to apply for extensions in an effort not to lose the funding, but the city's financial situation -- and its gloomy forecast -- could render their actions moot.

"We are working with the Obama administration through the federal stimulus and other grant opportunities to take advantage of every funding opportunity to create jobs, make our streets safer and provide much-needed relief to our citizens," Detroit Mayor Dave Bing told the Free Press. "Like many cities, our financial crisis has made this process more difficult, but we will continue to manage our way through."

Last February, President Barack Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in an effort to pump some life into the nation's economy. Detroit seemed to be the perfect candidate for such a boost, but city officials within various departments appear to have difficulty tracking the funds and finding ways to utilize grants -- those that require up-front spending and those that don't.

The Detroit Police Department, for example, has received $20.2 million in stimulus funds -- some of which requires up-front spending -- but has spent only about $350,000. The Public Works Department, too, has been granted $23.4 million but has not moved off a dime. "We inherited a grant process that was inefficient and ineffective, and we are making progress toward resolving it," said Dan Lijana, a Bing spokesman.

There have been some bright spots, though.

The city's Workforce Development Department spent $9.1 million for a summer youth employment program. And the Department of Human Services has spent nearly $5 million to help Detroiters reduce energy costs by greening their homes.

"The stimulus act ends in another 17 months -- we need to keep striking while the iron is hot," said Walt Rushing, director of the city's Office of Grants & Stimulus.

Rushing said Detroit is working to have a Web site running within the next two months that would allow the public to track when the city receives, and spends, stimulus funds.

He said other big cities also are facing spending-for-reimbursement challenges, and there is a national move afoot to convince the Obama administration to release some of the money up front. At the National Conference of Mayors convention last month, Bing addressed the issue with members of the administration.

"Nobody is flush with cash these days," Rushing said.

Not that I would ever turn down pork for the D, but you'd think some of our congressmen (say Representative Conyers or Representative Cheeks-Kilpatrick) would have a passing knowledge of the city's financial state and their ability to use these funds.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 01, 2010, 04:57:27 PM
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100225/METRO/2250445

Quote

Bing on unions: 'Either they can't read, they can't add or they can't comprehend'
Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News

Detroit --Mayor Dave Bing today criticized leaders of the city's largest union for foot-dragging on contract negotiations, saying it's costing the financially strapped city $500,000 a month and could result in more layoffs.

"Either they can't read, they can't add or they can't comprehend," Bing said at a press conference this morning in his office at City Hall. "It has to be one of the three.

"Everyone is running with a deficit in their budgets. It's leadership or a lack of leadership that has got us to where we are."

Bing said he's ready to impose a contract on the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 25 but said the city must follow the law. Both parties are now in fact-finding, a process which could last until July.

More layoffs may be necessary in the meantime to help shore up the city's estimated $325 million deficit, although Bing didn't give any numbers.

Bing has been at odds for months with AFSCME leaders over calls for concessions, including 10 percent pay cuts through 26 furlough days and fringe benefit cuts. The union represents about 3,600 workers such as landscapers, street pavers and crossing guards.

But union leaders shot back at Bing this morning. They said the irony was that Bing's 10 a.m. press conference to introduce his new human resources and labor relations staff was the same time both parties were supposed to be at AFSCME offices on Lafayette Boulevard for the fact-finding hearings.

"They have dragged their feet," said Richard Mack, an AFSCME attorney. "They are late every day."

The mayor's staff said in a written statement that the appropriate city officials were at the fact finding this morning and said it was AFSCME representatives who requested a delay because of the press conference.

Union officials say they understand the city's precarious finances and are willing to commit to the furlough days. But they say the city hasn't made a case for many of the fringe benefit changes they want, including changes to vacation, sick time and health care. And they have criticized Bing for not being sincere about making tough budget cuts elsewhere, including his own staff.

"The union has not run from the financial situation the city of Detroit is in," said Catherine Phillips, AFSCME's lead city negotiator. "Let's end this. We are costing the city's millions."

Bing has ratified deals with 26 of the city's 49 unions, one union vote is pending, and he has imposed contract conditions on three others, staffers said.

He blamed union officials, who he said have repeatedly tried to delay negotiations in court unsuccessfully, including asking a judge at one point to jail Bing for contempt. Bing said he is sensitive to the rank-and-file city employees but said the city is in a "financial crisis".

"It's not the rank and file," Bing said. "The (union) leadership will still have their jobs."

The City Council recently approved fringe benefits reductions that Bing negotiated with about 25 unions representing nearly 1,400 staffers and another 1,300 non-union workers. They include:

• Suspending tuition reimbursement until 2012 to save $520,000 a year.

• Reducing vacation and sick days for new hires, including eliminating up to six bonus vacation days if they don't call in sick.

• Dropping coverage for fertility and impotence drugs such as Viagra to save $1.6 million a year.

• Stopping employees from being able to add adult dependents -- parents or adult children -- to their insurance as long as they pay the monthly premiums.

These are in addition to a 10 percent pay cut in the form of 26 furlough days.

In August, Bing vowed to lay off 1,000 workers if unions didn't agree to new contracts. He backed down, but noted the city's work force has fallen to 11,800 from 13,200 when he took office in May.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100225/METRO/2250445#ixzz0gxqkdQ4Y


:lol: 49

They probably have to retain a full-time squad of negotiators for that.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on March 01, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
 :lol:

From what I've read Bing deserves to be Mayor of better city than Detroit.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on March 01, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
So why has the Detroit school board not been dissolved yet?
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 02, 2010, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 01, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
:lol:

From what I've read Bing deserves to be Mayor of better city than Detroit.
True.
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Post by: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 01, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
So why has the Detroit school board not been dissolved yet?

The Emperor needs them to maintain order.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 02, 2010, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 01, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
So why has the Detroit school board not been dissolved yet?

Politics, the governor needs to maintain the illusion that there is some local control of the school system in Detroit.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 02, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 01, 2010, 04:57:27 PM


:lol: 49

They probably have to retain a full-time squad of negotiators for that.

:lol:

Strong arming the city unions is a right of passage for any mayor of Detroit.  Bing is much more entertaining than Kwame or Archer when he does it since he's such a straight shooter.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 02, 2010, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 01, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
So why has the Detroit school board not been dissolved yet?

The Emperor needs them to maintain order.
Fear will keep the schools in line. Fear of this mayor. 
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Post by: Savonarola on March 04, 2010, 03:35:14 PM
Is children learning?  Detroit syle:

QuoteDoes DPS leader's writing send wrong message?

The president of the Detroit school board, Otis Mathis, is waging a legal battle to steer the academic future of 90,000 children, in the nation's lowest-achieving big city district.

He also acknowledges he has difficulty composing a coherent English sentence. Here's a sample from an e-mail he sent to friends and supporters on Sunday night, uncorrected for errors of spelling, grammar, punctuation and usage. It begins:

If you saw Sunday's Free Press that shown Robert Bobb the emergency financial manager for Detroit Public Schools, move Mark Twain to Boynton which have three times the number seats then students and was one of the reason's he gave for closing school to many empty seats.

The rest of the e-mail, and others that Mathis has written, demonstrate what one of his school board colleagues describes, carefully, as "his communication issues." But if these deficits have limited Mathis, as he admits they have, they have not stopped him from graduating from high school and college. In January, his peers elected him president by a 10-1 vote over Tyrone Winfrey, a University of Michigan academic officer.

"I'm a horrible writer. I know that," says Mathis, 56, a lifelong resident of southwest Detroit. His difficulties with language were spotted as early as fourth grade, when he was placed in special education classes. His college degree was held up for more than a decade because he repeatedly failed an English proficiency exam then required for graduation at Wayne State University.

In another city, these revelations might be grounds for disqualification. But Mathis is liked and defended by many of his peers, who cite his collegiality, lack of defensiveness and leadership as more important than his writing skills. Even Winfrey, his defeated rival for the presidency, declined to criticize his qualifications.

But the story of Mathis speaks directly to Detroit's educational conundrum, as officials try to raise standards and the proficiency of its students.

Is Mathis a success story? A man who beat the odds to win political success and career opportunities on the strength of his personality and judgment? Or is he an example of the system's worst failings -- a disinterested student who always found ways to graduate, even when he didn't meet the requirements -- likely to perpetuate lax academic standards if the board wins its court battle with Bobb over control?

"It's kind of scary to even talk about," says Patrick Martin, 49, a Detroit contractor whose 12-year-old son is a student at Noble Middle School.

"If this is the leader, what does it say about the followers? It explains a lot about why there's so much confusion and infighting with the board and Robert Bobb."

Another e-mail
Here's another mass e-mail from Mathis, from Aug. 11, 2009:

Do DPS control the Foundation or outside group? If an outside group control the foundation, then what is DPS Board row with selection of is director? Our we mixing DPS and None DPS row's, and who is the watch dog?

"I told him just last week that he should have his e-mails read by somebody before he sends them out," said fellow school board member LaMar Lemmons Jr., who praises Mathis as a leader he can trust.

"I said, 'If somebody gets ahold of this, it will become an issue that you can't read or write. It will go around the world.' "

Can Mathis read?

"Yes, I can read. I'm capable of reading a lot of information and regurgitation," says Mathis, who told me he sometimes needs to read documents two or three times to fully comprehend their contents but then masters -- and memorizes -- them.

Engaging and honest
Mathis is an engaging man. When I asked him about the grammatical deficiencies in his e-mails, he didn't waffle or grandstand, instead honestly answering questions about his difficulties in school.

High school saw him bouncing back and forth between schools. "I was kicked out and kicked in and kicked out," he says with a chuckle. He credits a high school English teacher with encouraging him to graduate, getting him to attend school "once a week instead of every two weeks" by giving him an audio version of Alex Haley's "Roots," one vinyl record at a time.

He graduated from Southwestern High School in 1973 with what he says was a 1.8 grade-point average but was previously reported as a .98 average. After serving in the Navy, Wayne State placed him in a special program to help academically unqualified students move forward, on the G.I. Bill.

He stayed at Wayne for 15 years, as a student and a counselor, becoming a virtual "prisoner of Wayne," as he jokes, unable to graduate.

Mathis and another student unsuccessfully challenged the use of an English proficiency test as a requirement for graduation. In 1992, when the case went to trial, the lawsuit gained national attention. Mathis said then his failure to pass the test "made me feel stupid." The requirement was eventually dropped in 2007, and Mathis applied to get his degree the next year, after his election.

Understands struggling kids
Mathis, who can be a persuasive public speaker, retired from Wayne in 1995. He's served as a substitute teacher in Detroit schools, run a nonprofit and served on the Wayne County Commission.

In his career, Mathis has compensated for his rudimentary writing skills by seeking help from others and working on his listening and speech skills. "We picked him (to be president) because we thought he has the intelligence for it and the tolerance for disruptive behavior," says Reverend David Murray. "He has that type of calm."

Is it absurd for a man who cannot write a simple English sentence to serve as the board president? Or to lead the elected board of a district that ranks at the nation's bottom for literacy?

The questions are more likely to elicit complex answers than criticism of Mathis.

"I know he's a terrible writer. Oh wow, I've seen his e-mails," says Ida Byrd-Hill, a parent and activist who runs a nonprofit and is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ group.

"His job, though, is to represent the community. His lack of writing skills is prevalent in the community. If anybody does, he understands the struggles of what it's like to go through an institution and not be properly prepared."

Mathis and some of his supporters say his story is about someone who manages his limitations, just as others manage physical disabilities.

"Instead of telling them that they can't write and won't be anything, I show that cannot stop you," Mathis says. "If Detroit Public Schools can allow kids to dream, with whatever weakness they have, that's something. ...It's not about what you don't have. It's what you cando."

Because of his struggles and perseverance, Mathis describes himself as a role model.

But is he?
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Post by: DontSayBanana on March 04, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
English proficiency exam?  English Composition I and II are both required for all students at my college, and I'm assuming something along those lines was in the curriculum at Wayne State.  If he couldn't pass the exam, how did he pass those classes?
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Post by: Savonarola on March 04, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
QuoteKilpatrick case turning biblical
Both sides use scripture to make their point
BY JOE SWICKARD and BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

If Wayne County prosecutors are trying to throw the book at former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, his lawyer is replying with biblical scripture.

The Kilpatrick probation violation battle turned into a case of Verse versus Verse late Wednesday afternoon as defense attorney Michael Alan Schwartz used the Book of Psalms to parry prosecutor arguments in the Michigan Court of Appeals.

Schwartz argued for judicial charity as authorities allege Kilpatrick violated his probation when he did not meet a deadline for a $79,011 payment on his $1-million restitution.

He repeated the argument that Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner is demanding payments that Kilpatrick cannot meet.

"Yet he, because he is full of compassion, forgave their sin and did not destroy; many times he turned away his anger and didn't rouse all his wrath," Schwartz wrote concluding his 12-page motion citing Psalms 78:38.

"We have the Bible, too," he said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

Schwartz's riposte was aimed at Timothy Baughman, head of the prosecutor's appellate division who invoked scripture last week in asking that Groner be allowed to proceed with the violation hearing that is now on hold.

"All things should be done decently and in good order," Baughman wrote last week, turning to I Corinthians 14:40.

Baughman also pooh-poohed defense attorney Daniel Hajji's appellate filing as a rant.

Schwartz wrote Wednesday that prosecutors were piling on and "reveals a penchant for kicking an opponent when he was down."

Maria Miller, spokeswoman for Prosecutor Kym Worthy, declined to comment, saying she hadn't seen the filing.

David Crumm, editor of ReadTheSpirit.com, an online magazine of religion, faith and popular culture, said the text message scandal that toppled Kilpatrick and sent him to jail has become "a saga of sex and corruption of true biblical proportions. It all can be found in the Old Testament record."

However, Crumm cautioned that for lawyers, "tangling with biblical references often just leads them into trouble. They might want to look over their shoulders for lightning bolts."

:pope:
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Post by: Berkut on March 04, 2010, 04:33:48 PM
Do the Luttuce's of the world read threads like this and say "See, we told you so!"
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Post by: Savonarola on March 10, 2010, 05:14:54 PM
They're always trying to put a black gal in a gang, but yo, Monica Conyers ain't going out like that:

QuoteAngry Conyers vows to appeal 37-month sentence
Paul Egan and Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News

Detroit --Former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers was sentenced to 37 months in prison today, but not before controversy and confusion erupted when she announced she wanted to withdraw her guilty plea to bribery.

In a loud and lengthy tirade that targeted federal prosecutors and the news media, Conyers said the court was trying to make an example of her and sentence her for crimes she did not commit.

"I'm not going to be made the scapegoat for other people," Conyers told U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn. "I'm sorry that the newspapers have put pressure on you to make an example of me."

"I'm just not going to jail for something I didn't do."

Conyers' shock announcement -- "I want to withdraw my guilty plea" -- created uncertainty whether her sentencing would go ahead as a courtroom packed with media, relatives, supporters and others waited, as did a large crowd in the corridor that had been turned away from the courtroom.

But Cohn, who read aloud a transcript from Conyers' plea hearing in June, said he believed her plea was made knowingly and he would not allow her to withdraw it at what Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Chutkow called "the 11th hour."

An angry Conyers left the courtroom vowing to appeal.

"I'm walking out the front door and I'm appealing this case because he didn't have no right to do that," Conyers said.

But it's not clear whether she can. Her plea agreement said she waived her appeal rights provided Cohn did not sentence her to more than five years in prison, which is the maximum sentence for bribery conspiracy.

Cohn said she does not have to report to prison before July 1. After her prison term, she is to serve two years of supervised release, he said.

Conyers' Detroit attorney, Steve Fishman, asked to withdraw from the case immediately after the sentencing hearing, saying Conyers may have appeal rights and he could be a witness at any appeal.

"This case is over for me," Fishman said.

Conyers, 45, admitted in June she took at least $6,000 in cash bribes in connection with her vote on the $1.2 billion contract the council awarded to Synagro Technologies Inc. of Texas in 2007.

She had originally spoken out against the controversial deal, but her "yes" vote proved to be the deciding one as the contract passed 5-4.

Part of the controversy over the attempted plea withdrawal stemmed from Cohn's comments that he would consider other "relevant conduct" such as alleged shakedowns of a strip club, a technology company and a real estate developer with matters before the City Council or the General Retirement System, where Conyers sat as a trustee.

Those alleged acts involved more than $60,000 in illegal payments and increased Conyers' sentencing guidelines -- which are advisory only -- from 30-37 months to 46-57 months, Cohn said. Those allegations were detailed at the recent corruption trial of political consultant Sam Riddle, a former top aide to Conyers accused of working with her to shake down businesses. Riddle's trial ended in a mistrial in February.

Conyers protested vehemently, saying she denied all the allegations, and Cohn relented, saying he would not consider the other conduct and would leave Conyers' sentencing guidelines at 30-37 months.

But that did not dissuade Conyers from wanting to withdraw her guilty plea.

"Everything Sam has done he has done on his own," she said.

She cited what she said was the unfairness of West Bloomfield businessman Karl Kado recently receiving probation after admitting to hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal payments. She pleaded for her two sons, saying they are young and that her husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, who was not in the courtroom, is an older man.

And she said that while the government has wiretap evidence against her, she has her own tapes that point to her innocence. She said she recorded conversations with Detroit businessman Rayford W. Jackson, Riddle and others.

It was disclosed for the first time today that Conyers has attempted to cooperate with government prosecutors. According to Cohn, prosecutors said they are still checking out information she gave them but so far do not feel it is valuable enough to warrant a recommendation for a reduced sentence.

"If I have to go the jail for what I've done, I'd love that," she told Cohn. "But I'll talk to my family and I don't want to go to jail for things I didn't do."

Conyers told the judge he had received a report from a doctor the judge sent her to, which revealed she was vulnerable to badgering.

"You had me go to see a doctor," Conyers told the judge. "She talked about why I pleaded guilty ... I think that is the basis for withdrawing my plea."


Conyers' anger contrasted with her calm when she arrived for the 2 p.m. sentencing in sunglasses. She popped her head into the courtroom from the adjacent jury room, wearing sunglasses.

"I just want to say hi to my family. Hi everybody," Conyers said, blowing kisses.

About a dozen family members and friends and her pastor were in court. Lennie Jackson, a paroled drug felon and the brother of Detroit businessman Rayford W. Jackson, testified at Riddle's trial that he acted as a courier for his brother, delivering cash to Conyers at a west side Detroit McDonald's and the Butzel Family Center on the east side. Jackson also testified he delivered Conyers an envelope outside a Mr. Fish restaurant, though he didn't know what the envelope contained.

An FBI agent testified about another 2007 incident at Detroit Metropolitan Airport in which he saw what he believed was cash passing hands from Rayford Jackson to Riddle to Conyers.

Rayford Jackson, Synagro's Detroit partner on the sludge deal, refused to cooperate with investigators and got the maximum five-year sentence. He is now locked up in a federal prison in upstate New York.

James R. Rosendall Jr., the former Synagro vice president who assisted investigators by making secret audio and video recordings, was sentenced to 11 months. He has yet to report to prison.

Lennie Jackson was not charged but could face trouble for violating parole from his drug case.

Riddle's trial ended in a mistrial in February. His retrial is set for July.

I think I'll send her some Ilsa movies in order to help her prepare for the next three years.   :)
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Post by: Malthus on March 10, 2010, 05:30:21 PM
QuoteConyers, 45, admitted in June she took at least $6,000 in cash bribes in connection with her vote on the $1.2 billion contract the council awarded to Synagro Technologies Inc. of Texas in 2007.

$6000 on a $1.2 Billion contract?

Damn, it is cheap to bribe a Detroit Council-critter.   :lol:
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Post by: garbon on March 10, 2010, 05:31:15 PM
Yeah, it is sad how little they received.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 10, 2010, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 10, 2010, 05:30:21 PM
QuoteConyers, 45, admitted in June she took at least $6,000 in cash bribes in connection with her vote on the $1.2 billion contract the council awarded to Synagro Technologies Inc. of Texas in 2007.

$6000 on a $1.2 Billion contract?

Damn, it is cheap to bribe a Detroit Council-critter.   :lol:

It's a low cost high volume business, like McDonald's.  One of our former councilwomen allegedly sold her votes once for a day at the spa and another time for a case of sausage.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on March 10, 2010, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 10, 2010, 05:36:03 PM
It's a low cost high volume business, like McDonald's.  One of our former councilwomen allegedly sold her votes once for a day at the spa and another time for a case of sausage.

:lmfao:
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 10, 2010, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2010, 05:31:15 PM
Yeah, it is sad how little they received.
I blame whitey.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on March 10, 2010, 11:15:07 PM
Speaking of Urban schools, Kansas City is closing half of theirs down.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35806883/ns/us_news-education/
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Post by: Savonarola on March 11, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
I can almost here Eazy-E narrating:

QuoteBrawl erupts at sentencing of mom who gave gun to son
By JOE SWICKARD
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

A murderer and her supporters battled in a Detroit courtroom this morning as she was ordered to serve more than 22 years in prison for giving her teenage son a gun that he used to kill another teen at a recreation center.



Tarranisha Davis "basically just went ballistic," said Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Daniel Ryan who presided over her trial with her son and co-defendant Tremain.


The woman "was punching yelling and screaming" as court security officers and Detroit policemen who were in the courtroom tried to control her, Ryan said.


"Then these other people jumped over the railing and start fighting, too," Ryan said. "It spilled into the hallway."


Other security officers rushed to the fifth floor of the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice.


The brawl ended with four people in custody – facing potential contempt and assault charges – and with a Wayne County Sheriff's lieutenant and a deputy slightly injured.


Ryan said there have been other incidents "but absolutely nothing like this before."


The uproar came as Ryan ordered Tarranisha Davis to serve 221/2 –to-40 years for second degree murder and an additional two years for using a firearm in the commission of a felony.


Her son Tremaine, 15, was ordered to serve 10-to-25 years for second degree murder plus another two years for use of a firearm. He will be in a juvenile facility until he is 21.


"I gave him that sentence because he has been respectful and remorseful since Day-One," Ryan said. "His mother, though, has shown no remorse at all."


The mother and son were charged in the fatal shooting of Dmitri Jackson, 19, at the Considine Little Rock Family Center in October.


Authorities charge that Tarranisha Davis supplied a gun to her son, who had fought with another youth but killed Jackson by shooting in a crowd of teenagers at the center.


Witnesses said the mother drove to the center and unlatched the hood of her van so her son could get a revolver.

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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 11, 2010, 07:38:59 PM
You Detroiters are fucked.  Fucked and dragging the rest of the country down with you.  We need to throw up a wall around that shithole and prevent anyone from entering or leaving.  Except Kurt Russell. 
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Post by: garbon on March 12, 2010, 01:16:44 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 11, 2010, 07:38:59 PM
You Detroiters are fucked.  Fucked and dragging the rest of the country down with you.  We need to throw up a wall around that shithole and prevent anyone from entering or leaving.  Except Kurt Russell. 

thx, letticia
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 12, 2010, 06:31:00 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 12, 2010, 01:16:44 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 11, 2010, 07:38:59 PM
You Detroiters are fucked.  Fucked and dragging the rest of the country down with you.  We need to throw up a wall around that shithole and prevent anyone from entering or leaving.  Except Kurt Russell. 

thx, letticia
Lolz can I be: Army of Northern Virginia?
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Post by: Savonarola on March 12, 2010, 09:02:26 AM
The man, the myth, the legend is on come back trail again:

QuoteKwame Kilpatrick sets out to rehab his image

The doctor is in.

Kwame Kilpatrick's new spokesman, Mike Paul, is a high-profile New York public relations man who touts himself as "The Reputation Doctor" and specializes in crisis management.

Paul has an extensive list of clients listed on his Web site, from Jesse Jackson to Aretha Franklin to Dr. Laura Schlessinger.

In Detroit's ex-mayor, though, Paul has surely latched on to one of the more challenging cases of his career: The once-electric politician whose private scandals and public crimes continue to metastasize. Might it be too late to rehabilitate the Kilpatrick aura?

"Not at all," says Paul, who prescribes his own six-point cure for Kilpatrick's image woes: daily doses of truth, honesty, transparency, accountability, humility and consistency. To rehabilitate Kilpatrick in the public eye, he must embrace those qualities, Paul says. Kilpatrick must openly become the person he says he now is, in a way that we can all see, honestly, and without shortcuts.

"Spin won't work," says Paul, who says he was hired by Kilpatrick's lawyers and addressed reporters on the Wayne County courthouse steps Thursday.

"The goal is for people to understand who the real Kwame Kilpatrick is ... the nonmayor, the person who has admitted he has done wrong."

But the devil's always in the details, isn't it?

For starters, those Kilpatrick legal pleadings of poverty, coupled with revelations of secret loans, a leased Dallas-version of the Manoogian and expenditures on luxury goods and elective surgery, emerged only in court.

Paul is Kilpatrick's second high-profile spokesperson. Two years ago, in the heat of the text message scandal, Kilpatrick enlisted Washington, D.C.-based public relations powerhouse Judy Smith, who had advised Clarence Thomas and Monica Lewinski. She didn't return calls.

"We've been down this road before," says Adolph Mongo, a former Kilpatrick political consultant. "Two years ago, you could make these arguments and they'd resonate. Now people just want all of it to go away."

Paul sees a "very different Kwame, not the hip-hop mayor" but a man now trying to do right by his family but caught in a political maelstrom.

Paul is trying out the new truth about the new Kwame Kilpatrick: "I'm spending time with the man, and we're in high-level strategic meetings and he says, 'I've got to say goodbye to my boys,' or 'I've got to go home for dinner now.' "

Other "truths" you may expect to hear from Paul: Unfairness from the courts and the media. Political shenanigans on the part of Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner and Prosecutor Kym Worthy.

"One of the things I find amazing ... in this case is that it's very political. But Kwame Kilpatrick isn't the one being political," Paul says.

Fresh on the case, Paul may not realize how toxic the Kilpatrick aura has become. The public's already been trotted through multiple apologies, vows of humility and assurances of good intentions to pay off the city, work hard and move on.

"Why are you hiring a PR agent instead of paying restitution?" asks Eric Foster, a Detroit political consultant.

He noted that if Kilpatrick was such a good family man when he was mayor, the city would have avoided the prolonged text-message scandal over his affair.

Paul says he and Kilpatrick met years ago and were recently brought together by a mutual friend. Paul wouldn't reveal his fees or how he's being paid, but industry sources say fees for his line of work typically are $250 to $500 an hour or higher.

Cynics, or even realists, may wonder why Kilpatrick newly feels the urgent need to improve his public aura. Could it be, as Nolan Finley suggested Thursday in The Detroit News, that Kilpatrick's worried about federal investigators closing in?

Paul sounds upbeat and confident, as he talks about the bias Kilpatrick faces from judge and prosecutor.

"For every person who thinks (harshly of him) there are others who believe he's earned the opportunity for a second chance," he insists, describing strong support for the ex-mayor. Paul says he hears from plenty of Kilpatrick supporters. "They're saying, 'How can I help and do more?' "

He makes an enigmatic promise: "Soon you'll be hearing more about that."


The reputation doctor has made his diagnosis: It's a reworking of the ancient Greek PR guy, Socrates, whose advice for gaining a good reputation was: "Endeavor to be what you desire to appear."

As advice, it's sound. But taking the medicine -- living an honest, ethical and open life with humility -- hasn't been a cinch for Kilpatrick over the last few years. He has to "take it one day at a time," says Paul, the fly-in reputation fixer.

Please don't be offended, doctor, if most of us do the same.

Hardly a day goes by when I don't wonder "How can I do more to help Kwame Kilpatrick?"
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 12, 2010, 10:27:20 AM
Have you ever stopped to think what an awesome debt we owe to community activists?

QuoteControl of Detroit Public Schools splits community

Marisa Schultz / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The battle for control of Detroit Public Schools spilled into the open Thursday as opponents of a mayoral takeover expressed outrage at a key provision of an overhaul plan.

A coalition of 15 diverse groups unveiled sweeping reforms that would set standards for all schools, launch 70 new programs and recruit leaders from around the country. But the most divisive component is to dissolve the school board and give control to a superintendent appointed by the mayor.

Union and community activists at a school board meeting Thursday night said they were outraged by the plan to get rid of the board, while many parents were divided, and Mayor Dave Bing said he'd only take on the responsibility if voters agreed.

"It's a sad day," said Ruby Newbold, president of the Detroit Association of Educational Office Employees. "We are saddened by what is going on in the city of Detroit. How dare you dismantle our school district!"

"This community is not going to take it anymore," Newbold said, igniting a standing ovation and cheers from the crowd.

"What have we done that is so egregious to get rid of our board?" said board member Tyrone Winfrey between meeting sessions.

No legislative body in the country -- from county commissions to state legislatures -- can be dissolved like an elected school board, he said. "The board will continue to fight."


But earlier, parent Claudia Williams, 33, while picking her children up after school, said she wants one person held accountable for the district. She said she'd vote for a measure to abolish the school board.

"Everything has to come to an end," she said. "Maybe this will be good. Maybe the mayor will go ahead and show some other incentive for Detroit Public Schools."

Some activists vowed to fight any plan that undermines Detroiters' control over their children's education.

"The people of Detroit have repeatedly rejected all forms of state takeover, including mayoral takeover of the Detroit Public Schools," said Donna Stern, national coordinator for the civil rights group BAMN, By Any Means Necessary.

"As recently as 2004, Detroit voters defeated a well-financed effort to place DPS under mayoral control by a vote of 2 to 1."

Father Terry Smith, 39, said: "I think the mayor has a little bit too much on his plate to try to take over that. He can't concentrate on the schools with everything else he has on his plate."

Plan requires unity
The ambitious education plan -- presented by the Skillman Foundation CEO Carol Goss, DPS Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb, Detroit Parent Network Executive Director Sharlonda Buckman, University Preparatory Academy founder Doug Ross and New Detroit President Shirley Stancato -- calls for the creation of an independent accountability and standards commission.

That panel will issue report cards on all city schools -- public, private or charter -- and move to close ones that are failing. The coalition wants to open 70 new school programs by 2020 and establish a nationwide recruiting initiative to bring the best teachers and principals to Detroit.

Under the plan, by 2020, 90 percent of city students will graduate from high school, 90 percent will go on to some sort of higher education and 90 percent would succeed without remediation.

Leaders of the coalition said they are united in their outrage of the poor educational opportunities in the city, but they acknowledge their plan needs community support to be successful.

"The most important part lies ahead and that is implementation," said Stancato, whose New Detroit is one of 15 organizations in the coalition. "We cannot do it alone."

Mayoral control seems to be the part of the plan facing the largest uphill battle. Lawmakers in Lansing can pass such legislation, similar to the state takeover from 1999-2005. But many residents are still bitter about the takeover years, noting that the quality of the district worsened during that period, and a district with a financial surplus ended with a deep deficit.

The coalition is advocating for a ballot referendum in November.

"The mayor, as the top elected official in the community, should assume full authority over the most important asset and that is the education of children in the community," said Bobb, whose term as emergency financial manager expires in March 2011.

Success debated
Jack Jennings, president and CEO for the Center on Education Policy, has studied the results of mayoral control in places like New York, Boston, Cleveland and Los Angeles. Overall, the results have varied but on average mayoral control has resulted in "modest improvements," he said.

"In general, it's led to schools being put on the path of improvement. But there's nothing dramatically better. It's just incrementally better and in some situations there hasn't been much improvement at all."

The school board didn't address the coalition's proposal directly during their meeting, but members of the audience expressed outrage. Many in attendance were bus drivers from Safeway Transportation who are expected to lose their jobs since Bobb announced he's privatizing the transportation department.

"They took our jobs and now they are trying to take yours," Janice Mayers, a Safeway bus driver, told the board. "We are going to stand up and fight."

Some community members said they were upset the school board wasn't invited to be part of the education plan.

"I've never seen anything so brazen or offensive than to say we are going to disband an elected body," said Russ Bellant, a member of the DPS Board Advisory Council and parent of a 2009 DPS graduate. Mayoral control, Bellant said, "satisfies politicians but it has not necessarily met the needs of the children. The continuing education challenge for all of us is to take more responsibility and more involvement in our schools. Solutions can't be imposed from the top."

Politicians locally and in Lansing seemed to agree that mayoral control would only be successful if Detroiters want it.

"The governor supports mayoral control but she does not have the authority to make it happen," said Liz Boyd, spokeswoman for Gov. Jennifer Granholm. "Any such effort will require strong support by community members and leaders in Detroit."

Bing told a group of media executives Thursday he would accept control of the school district if offered, but he won't lobby for it. He said it would be better if the community bought into the idea, rather than have it imposed by the governor or Legislature.

Said House Education Committee Chairman Tim Melton, D-Auburn Hills: "If the people of Detroit vote and say they want mayoral control, we would support it. The Legislature should not do it without direction from city residents."In other news Thursday, the Detroit Federation of Teachers voted to join the school board's lawsuit against Bobb that alleges he's overstepping his authority by making academic decisions.

Also, Bobb's negotiating team agreed to come back to the bargaining table with unions for secretaries and custodians. Last week, his team declared an impasse and imposed a 10 percent wage cut and health care premiums, which sparked outcry from union members.

On the one hand Bing isn't going to be mayor forever; and I shudder to think that someone like Kwame could appoint the school board superintendent.  On the other hand the current system drove our schools to bankruptcy twice and students have achieved among the worst test scores in the nation.  If the school system is to improve something needs to change but, this being Detroit, I fully expect things to return to the way they were and the state of Michigan seizing control of the school district again in 2017.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 12, 2010, 01:17:16 PM
QuoteDETROIT: Woman charged with WIC fraud
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Detroit on Thursday charged Jacqueline Taylor, 40, with fraud and theft of government funds on charges that she illegally sold benefits from the Women, Infants and Children program (WIC) designed to serve low- and moderate-income pregnant, breast-feeding and postpartum women.

"Conservative estimates of loss attributable to Taylor range from $432,000 to $648,000," Mark McClutchey, special agent for the USDA, wrote in an affidavit.

Taylor's preliminary examination is scheduled for March 31 in U.S. District Court in Detroit.

Half a million dollars in WIC fraud is an accomplishment; maybe even a miracle in the field of crime.  Auric Goldfinger can rest in peace now.   :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Scipio on March 12, 2010, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 12, 2010, 10:27:20 AM
Have you ever stopped to think what an awesome debt we owe to community activists?

QuoteControl of Detroit Public Schools splits community

Marisa Schultz / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The battle for control of Detroit Public Schools spilled into the open Thursday as opponents of a mayoral takeover expressed outrage at a key provision of an overhaul plan.

A coalition of 15 diverse groups unveiled sweeping reforms that would set standards for all schools, launch 70 new programs and recruit leaders from around the country. But the most divisive component is to dissolve the school board and give control to a superintendent appointed by the mayor.

Union and community activists at a school board meeting Thursday night said they were outraged by the plan to get rid of the board, while many parents were divided, and Mayor Dave Bing said he'd only take on the responsibility if voters agreed.

"It's a sad day," said Ruby Newbold, president of the Detroit Association of Educational Office Employees. "We are saddened by what is going on in the city of Detroit. How dare you dismantle our school district!"

"This community is not going to take it anymore," Newbold said, igniting a standing ovation and cheers from the crowd.

"What have we done that is so egregious to get rid of our board?" said board member Tyrone Winfrey between meeting sessions.

No legislative body in the country -- from county commissions to state legislatures -- can be dissolved like an elected school board, he said. "The board will continue to fight."


But earlier, parent Claudia Williams, 33, while picking her children up after school, said she wants one person held accountable for the district. She said she'd vote for a measure to abolish the school board.

"Everything has to come to an end," she said. "Maybe this will be good. Maybe the mayor will go ahead and show some other incentive for Detroit Public Schools."

Some activists vowed to fight any plan that undermines Detroiters' control over their children's education.

"The people of Detroit have repeatedly rejected all forms of state takeover, including mayoral takeover of the Detroit Public Schools," said Donna Stern, national coordinator for the civil rights group BAMN, By Any Means Necessary.

"As recently as 2004, Detroit voters defeated a well-financed effort to place DPS under mayoral control by a vote of 2 to 1."

Father Terry Smith, 39, said: "I think the mayor has a little bit too much on his plate to try to take over that. He can't concentrate on the schools with everything else he has on his plate."

Plan requires unity
The ambitious education plan -- presented by the Skillman Foundation CEO Carol Goss, DPS Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb, Detroit Parent Network Executive Director Sharlonda Buckman, University Preparatory Academy founder Doug Ross and New Detroit President Shirley Stancato -- calls for the creation of an independent accountability and standards commission.

That panel will issue report cards on all city schools -- public, private or charter -- and move to close ones that are failing. The coalition wants to open 70 new school programs by 2020 and establish a nationwide recruiting initiative to bring the best teachers and principals to Detroit.

Under the plan, by 2020, 90 percent of city students will graduate from high school, 90 percent will go on to some sort of higher education and 90 percent would succeed without remediation.

Leaders of the coalition said they are united in their outrage of the poor educational opportunities in the city, but they acknowledge their plan needs community support to be successful.

"The most important part lies ahead and that is implementation," said Stancato, whose New Detroit is one of 15 organizations in the coalition. "We cannot do it alone."

Mayoral control seems to be the part of the plan facing the largest uphill battle. Lawmakers in Lansing can pass such legislation, similar to the state takeover from 1999-2005. But many residents are still bitter about the takeover years, noting that the quality of the district worsened during that period, and a district with a financial surplus ended with a deep deficit.

The coalition is advocating for a ballot referendum in November.

"The mayor, as the top elected official in the community, should assume full authority over the most important asset and that is the education of children in the community," said Bobb, whose term as emergency financial manager expires in March 2011.

Success debated
Jack Jennings, president and CEO for the Center on Education Policy, has studied the results of mayoral control in places like New York, Boston, Cleveland and Los Angeles. Overall, the results have varied but on average mayoral control has resulted in "modest improvements," he said.

"In general, it's led to schools being put on the path of improvement. But there's nothing dramatically better. It's just incrementally better and in some situations there hasn't been much improvement at all."

The school board didn't address the coalition's proposal directly during their meeting, but members of the audience expressed outrage. Many in attendance were bus drivers from Safeway Transportation who are expected to lose their jobs since Bobb announced he's privatizing the transportation department.

"They took our jobs and now they are trying to take yours," Janice Mayers, a Safeway bus driver, told the board. "We are going to stand up and fight."

Some community members said they were upset the school board wasn't invited to be part of the education plan.

"I've never seen anything so brazen or offensive than to say we are going to disband an elected body," said Russ Bellant, a member of the DPS Board Advisory Council and parent of a 2009 DPS graduate. Mayoral control, Bellant said, "satisfies politicians but it has not necessarily met the needs of the children. The continuing education challenge for all of us is to take more responsibility and more involvement in our schools. Solutions can't be imposed from the top."

Politicians locally and in Lansing seemed to agree that mayoral control would only be successful if Detroiters want it.

"The governor supports mayoral control but she does not have the authority to make it happen," said Liz Boyd, spokeswoman for Gov. Jennifer Granholm. "Any such effort will require strong support by community members and leaders in Detroit."

Bing told a group of media executives Thursday he would accept control of the school district if offered, but he won't lobby for it. He said it would be better if the community bought into the idea, rather than have it imposed by the governor or Legislature.

Said House Education Committee Chairman Tim Melton, D-Auburn Hills: "If the people of Detroit vote and say they want mayoral control, we would support it. The Legislature should not do it without direction from city residents."In other news Thursday, the Detroit Federation of Teachers voted to join the school board's lawsuit against Bobb that alleges he's overstepping his authority by making academic decisions.

Also, Bobb's negotiating team agreed to come back to the bargaining table with unions for secretaries and custodians. Last week, his team declared an impasse and imposed a 10 percent wage cut and health care premiums, which sparked outcry from union members.

On the one hand Bing isn't going to be mayor forever; and I shudder to think that someone like Kwame could appoint the school board superintendent.  On the other hand the current system drove our schools to bankruptcy twice and students have achieved among the worst test scores in the nation.  If the school system is to improve something needs to change but, this being Detroit, I fully expect things to return to the way they were and the state of Michigan seizing control of the school district again in 2017.
Don't do it, Detroit.  Without you, Mississippi's schools are the worst in the nation!
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 20, 2010, 03:11:15 PM
I love the phrase "Cesspool of Corruption," it can be used to describe so much about the 313:

QuoteDPS: Scam cost $57M
FBI investigates ex-risk manager; district sues to recover money
BY JENNIFER DIXON
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

A former department chief at Detroit Public Schools and his assistant used secret offices and their own computer system to improperly divert more than $57 million in school funds to vendors who provided little, if anything, in return, according to sworn records reviewed by the Free Press.

Documents in a Wayne County Circuit Court lawsuit brought by DPS allege that Stephen Hill of Detroit -- director of DPS risk management from 2001-05 -- received luxury vehicles and other kickbacks. Some of the vendors who benefitted were friends or associates of Hill's or relatives of Hill's assistant, Christina Polk-Osumah of Detroit, court records allege.

When Hill left the district in September 2005, he received a champagne-and-tenderloin farewell bash that cost the impoverished school system $40,000, according to the suit.
The FBI now is investigating the alleged fraud scheme.

Robert Bobb, the district's emergency financial manager, said in a statement that the case is another example of how "DPS has been a place where people use the district as their personal banker and where there has been a cesspool of corruption, and in cases such as this one, both national corporations and local individuals took advantage of Detroit Public Schools."
Hill could not be reached for comment. His former attorney denied that Hill acted improperly and said he will be vindicated.

DPS filed the lawsuit against Hill, Polk-Osumah and others in June 2008, claiming the vendors, who were paid through wire transfers, knew the payments violated district policies when they accepted them. The suit seeks to get the district's money back.
Polk-Osumah declined to comment.

Costly payments trigger DPS lawsuit, FBI probe

As chief of risk management for Detroit Public Schools, Stephen Hill's job was to save the district money.

But as Hill left his post in September 2005, saving money was not on the menu.
The 200 guests at his going-away bash, a golf-themed affair atop a parking deck, feasted on Chilean sea bass, grilled petite tenderloin of beef and bananas foster, washing it all down with champagne, Jack Daniels, martinis and imported beer.

The tab: $40,000.

Who paid: Detroit's impoverished public schools.
The allegations about the party are contained in thousands of pages of documents in a DPS lawsuit that portrays Hill and Polk-Osumah, as running a shadowy side operation outside the scrutiny of district leaders.

As the lawsuit proceeds to trial in July, the $40,000 reportedly spent on Hill's party is hardly the worst of it.

DPS says it can prove Hill and his aide, using secret offices and computer systems, diverted more than $57 million in illicit wire transfers to vendors who did little or no work. The vendors -- friends or business associates of the pair -- knew the payments were improper, but accepted them anyway, the district contends, while Hill received luxury automobiles and kickbacks from at least two of them. Two other vendors later hired Hill.

Filed in Wayne County Circuit Court in June 2008, the suit names Hill; Polk-Osumah; two international insurance companies; Detroit insurance executive Lawrence Long and his firm, Long Insurance Services, and Detroit businesswoman Sherry Washington and three partners, among others.

Bobb said the suit, which seeks to get the district's money back, is "moving too slowly, and we look forward to it being resolved and those responsible being held accountable for their actions as quickly as possible."

Long's firm received the most money -- roughly $25 million in wire transfers. Although most of that, $15 million to $17 million, was for insurance premiums, the district claims the rest was for work that was "woefully inadequate" given the tab. DPS contends that Long also paid Hill a $115,000 kickback.

The FBI has been investigating the alleged fraud scheme since at least 2007, according to federal court records.

Hill could not be reached for comment. Attorney Benjamin Whitfield Jr., who represented Hill until earlier this month, said that Hill did nothing improper. Whitfield said that he has told by federal authorities that Hill is under investigation.

Polk-Osumah declined to be interviewed Friday.

Other records indicate that Washington and her partners also have come under scrutiny. Washington's Detroit office was raided by the FBI in 2007, as was an office run by her and her partners. She referred questions to her attorney, who did not return calls.

Two of the insurance companies say they are cooperating with federal investigators.

Randall Phillips, a Bingham Farms lawyer who represents Long Insurance and Lawrence Long, said Hill was paid for consulting work, not as a kickback. He said the allegations against Long and his company are false and they will be "vindicated when the case is brought to trial."

An expanding empire circumvents rules

Hill, who had performed risk management work for DPS in the mid-1990s, returned in 2001, when DPS created a separate department of risk management and named him director.
His office, at district headquarters in the Fisher Building, had fewer than five staffers, who primarily handled worker's compensation claims and district insurance policies.

Once on the job, Hill created two other offices: One was next door to Long's insurance office; another inside the offices of a second vendor, according to the school district's lawsuit.
Hill then began building his staff, eventually hiring 25 contract workers from Long's insurance office, the suit alleges.

Rather than using the district's information technology department, Hill created his own computer system that he used to hide improper financial transactions, the suit alleges.
Hill was able to circumvent the district's purchasing rules to approve more than $57 million in spending for unauthorized contracts through wire transfers, the suit alleges; often, the vendors were paid in full before they had performed any work.

Wire transfers were supposed to be used only for insurance payments, but Hill "falsely" convinced the district's cash management office that he had the authority to pay millions of dollars in wire transfers to vendors, the suit contends.

Delores Brown, who was in charge of the cash management office, has told district lawyers that she assumed that the payments were proper because they had been authorized by a department head. When she had questions, her boss, then-DPS chief financial officer Dori Freelain, approved the deals.

Freelain, who was also Hill's boss, had a sexual relationship with Hill at one point, Hill said in his deposition.


Freelain left the district in 2007. She has not given testimony in the lawsuit and her attorney did not return phone calls this past week.

Big vendors get millions in deals

Among the vendors who received millions of dollars in wire transfers were two large insurance and risk management companies: Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. of Itasca, Ill., and Marsh & McLennan Cos. of New York, court records show.

Hill awarded Gallagher more than $6 million to provide an emergency management information system to the district. Gallagher then converted the system to an electronic format that the district has never used. The district's chief of police testified that the system was obsolete.

The lawsuit alleges Gallagher had no written deal to provide these services, and knew Hill lacked the authority to approve such a contract.

The district alleges Hill approved some payments to Gallagher as he was seeking employment with the company and after he got the job.

In a statement to the Free Press, Gallagher said it earned what it was paid, and did not engage in any wrongful conduct.

Marsh received more than $17 million from 2002-08 for insurance and consulting services. The suit contends that Marsh intentionally billed inflated rates or commissions, and was paid for services the district didn't need. DPS contends Marsh's own records show that the company was paid for work that was never done.

Company spokesman Al Modugno said Marsh does not comment on pending litigation.

Trading up on jobs -- and cashing in

By 2005, Hill had a large staff, a $124,000 salary, and one very large honor. He was named risk manager of the year by the Public Risk Management Association, based in suburban Washington, D.C.

Around this time, Hill decided to leave DPS to take a series of lucrative jobs with vendors who had benefitted from his district contracts.

Court records show that in October 2005, Hill became an executive vice president at Gallagher & Co. in St. Clair Shores.

Before leaving, Hill attended the $40,000 going-away party.

Hill's new job paid well, a $200,000 salary with a $350-a-month car allowance.

But Hill found a way to boost his earnings even more. While working for Gallagher, he was paid $115,000 by Long Insurance to write a 15-page report on school security for then-Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

DPS calls the $115,000 payment a kickback for the lucrative contracts to Long's firm, which Long's lawyer disputes.


Within a year, in May 2006, Hill left Gallagher to become a senior vice president at Marsh & McLennan in Detroit, again making $200,000 a year.

While he was under salary to Marsh, the company loaned Hill back to DPS as an unpaid consultant; for a time, he resumed running the risk management department.

The arrangement created a classic conflict of interest, DPS attorneys now contend, particularly when Hill turned in a procurement form ordering the district to pay Marsh -- his employer -- a $450,000 "casualty consultant fee."

The lawsuit contends there was no approved contract for such a fee and that neither Hill nor his company intended to provide such services.

Hill left Marsh in June 2007, as DPS's investigation of risk management was under way.

A shower of gifts, an admitted affair

Meanwhile, Polk-Osumah -- Hill's alleged cohort in the wire fraud -- remained with the district until October 2006, when she was discharged, according to lawsuit records.

But she was not without work.

The suit contends she was given office space by New Bridge Multimedia Inc., which Hill had brought to the department for its IT work. From New Bridge's office, Polk-Osumah was able to access the school district's risk management database, and continue to perform risk management duties, the district claims.

At one point, New Bridge subcontracted with companies connected to Polk-Osumah's relatives, with Polk-Osumah dictating the language of the bills, the suit contends.

At various points in their working relationship, Polk-Osumah showered Hill with gifts, lawsuit records show.

Hill acknowledged in a deposition that in July 2005, when both were still at DPS, Polk-Osumah bought him a fully loaded 2005 Ford Mustang GT convertible, costing $47,000.


Six months later, in January 2006, after Hill left for Gallagher, she bought her former boss a $40,000 Dodge Durango.

At his deposition last September, Hill was asked why she would do that.

"I've asked that question myself many times," Hill answered. "She was very supportive and wished to provide me with that token." He testified that he also had an affair at one point with Polk-Osumah.

Court records show that in September 2006, Hill traded in the cars for a lease on a $112,000 Cadillac XLR with $5,990 in custom accessories.

Files disappear as suspicions grow

In February 2007, a Grand Rapids law firm was hired by the district to investigate risk management.

That month, an assistant to the executive director of risk management, Brenda Foster, suspected something was not right with the office.

When she arrived at work one morning that February, she said, she discovered a wire dangling from the ceiling in her office and connected to her computer hard drive. Her files had been deleted, and hard copies of correspondence and invoices that she considered questionable had been removed, Foster said in a sworn statement. She said the wire was gone the next morning, but she couldn't log on.

The next month, the Free Press reported that DPS had put Hill's former boss, Freelain, and Brown, the cash manager, on administrative leave, as it investigated irregularities in the risk management department. Freelain later was notified that her contract would not be renewed because of unspecified job performance issues. She sued for wrongful termination and settled a year ago, her lawyer, Jason Hegedus, said.

Patterns revealed as trial looms

The district eventually concluded that "Hill engaged in a pattern of abuse and waste of the school district's funds."

In addition to alleged kickback from Long Insurance, DPS contends Hill received kickbacks of up to $30,000 from Associates for Learning, a wellness company connected to downtown businesswoman Sherry Washington and her business partners.

According to the suit, Associates for Learning received $3.3 million to educate and motivate school district employees on the benefits of healthy living.

The suit contends Hill chose Washington's company without competitive bidding or a contract, to conceal the fraudulent scheme. The centerpiece of the wellness program was to have district employees participate in a health assessment survey. Fewer than 150 did so.

Today, Hill doesn't have a lawyer and is under federal investigation.

His former attorney, Benjamin Whitfield Jr., said Hill may end up representing himself at the trial, set for July.

"He's very intelligent, and he can handle himself very competently with respect to these allegations," Whitfield said. "Mr. Hill will be vindicated."
Contact JENNIFER DIXON: 313-223-4410 or [email protected]

The budget of the Detroit School System is just over a billion dollars so 57 million dollars over a five year period is about 1 percent of the budget.  Corruption had been rampant in the school system and there was very little oversight, but that's an awful lot for one man to steal without anyone catching on.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on April 20, 2010, 04:33:11 PM
So we have to figure that at least 500 million dollars of the rest of the budget was also stolen and/or wasted. 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on April 20, 2010, 04:33:28 PM
By a conservative estimate.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on April 20, 2010, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 20, 2010, 04:33:11 PM
So we have to figure that at least 500 million dollars of the rest of the budget was also stolen and/or wasted.

So how exactly does Sav make all his money? :hmm:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2010, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on April 20, 2010, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 20, 2010, 04:33:11 PM
So we have to figure that at least 500 million dollars of the rest of the budget was also stolen and/or wasted.

So how exactly does Sav make all his money? :hmm:

WIC fraud and looting copper from abandoned houses.  I'm a Horatio Alger success story, Detroit style.   :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2010, 12:45:19 PM
And now from Detroit's other success story:

QuoteKilpatrick turns to public for help

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.detnews.com%2Fgraphics%2Fgn%2F2010%2F04%2Fkwame-kilpatrick-rescue.jpg&hash=478434919719e1d0939c898f9d96b425f8c6d59e)

Will the people rescue Kilpatrick?

Mike Wilkinson and Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

Detroit -- Kwame Kilpatrick, apparently without the cash needed to stave off a jail term, wants your help.

With the former Detroit mayor facing possible incarceration for violating his criminal probation, his camp intends to launch a campaign soon seeking aid -- in prayers and cash.

"For those who would like to support (Kilpatrick), we will open that avenue," said Mike Paul, his New York-based spokesman, just moments after Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner found him guilty of violating his parole on Tuesday.


But a question remains: Would anyone, after all the scandal and drama, after tales of luxurious living and claims of poverty, pull out their checkbook for Kilpatrick, the man whose actions cost taxpayers $8.4 million in an attempt to hide his salacious text messages and crude behavior?

"In all honesty, yes there are," said Eric Foster, a local political consultant and pollster. "As frustrating as it may seem, there are people willing to do that."

Kilpatrick has turned to the people before and been rewarded, though by diminishing amounts as the days since his tenure as mayor grow. While still in office and facing perjury charges, he raised more than $200,000 for his legal defense fund, which was used to pay a fraction of his attorney bills.

His family got $65,000 in gifts from two Detroit area business leaders around the time he was in jail. And just after he got out, four businessmen gave him a $240,000 loan.

But earlier this year, after having moved to Texas and after Groner ordered him to pay nearly $80,000 in restitution, a Detroit fundraiser netted just more than $40,000, mostly from family and friends. Kilpatrick himself could not come up with the balance, prompting the charges of violating his probation that resulted in Tuesday's finding of guilt.

The Rev. Horace Sheffield, a longtime supporter who has raised money for Kilpatrick before, said he would open his heart and wallet to the former mayor.

"I have been donating to him," Sheffield said on Tuesday, as he attended an Eastern Market fundraiser for Sam Riddle, the political consultant facing multiple bribery charges as well as an assault charge.

Sheffield said, however, that the publicity surrounding the mayor has made raising money difficult.

"Most people have been giving anonymously because of this continual vilification of the mayor, which is designed to eradicate is support, to drive them underground and make them afraid," he said. "But they are there, if someone was to organize this. They'd be there, and I'm prepared to be there."


From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100421/METRO01/4210397/Will-the-people-rescue-Kilpatrick?#ixzz0ll0WE73j

He should follow NPR's lead and offer gifts for various levels of donations:

$50  Kwame Tote Bag
$100  Kwame Coffee Mug
$200  Salacious text message from Kwame
$500  Appointment to staff position on Detroit based charity
$1000  Position in next Kilpatrick Mayoral Cabinet

Operators are standing by
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Post by: frunk on April 21, 2010, 01:19:57 PM
I can tell I'm a bit stressed right now.  Instead of the news from Detroit giving me a chuckle I feel like punching someone.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2010, 02:46:48 PM
Old sins, long shadows:

QuoteDetroit lawyer wants to stop representing Conyers in suit
Associated Press
Detroit -- A city of Detroit lawyer says ex-councilwoman Monica Conyers is refusing to cooperate in a lawsuit that accuses her of retaliating against a man who wanted to recall her from office in 2009.

A city attorney, Grant Ha, wants to stop representing Conyers because she won't participate in the litigation. A hearing in federal court is set for May 13.

Conyers is accused of pressuring Mariners Inn to fire Theodis Collins when she learned he was leading a recall effort. The substance-abuse center gets grants from Detroit. He lost his job.

Conyers is off the city council and headed to prison for corruption by July 1. The city has been representing her because the alleged events occurred when she was in office.

Conyers could not immediately be reached for comment today.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100421/METRO01/4210410/1409/Detroit-lawyer-wants-to-stop-representing-Conyers-in-suit#ixzz0llUzxrCB

With such a crafty legal strategy I can't imagine how Monica flunked the bar.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
Why is everyone always picking on us? :(

Quote'Dateline' show on Detroit prompts more outrage
Leonard N. Fleming / The Detroit News
Detroit --The backlash against "Dateline NBC"'s portrayal of Detroit continues today, as more leaders are calling on network officials to meet with them to discuss what they say is the program's negative portrayal of the city.

The Rev. Horace Sheffield, a prominent pastor, civil rights activist and executive director of the Detroit Association of Black Organizations, sent a letter saying that "infuriated Detroit citizens and lovers" felt the report was a "gross and unbalanced misrepresentation" of the city.

"We see this recent story as once again solely making Detroiters and Detroit responsible (for) these conditions when this region, this state, and this nation must also respond," Sheffield wrote to NBC correspondent Chris Hansen, a Metro Detroit native and former WDIV-TV 4 reporter who reported the Sunday show, "America Now: City of Heartbreak and Hope."

"Therefore, we welcome an opportunity to have this discussion and more with you, the producers, and the executive of Dateline, here or in New York, at your earliest convenience," Sheffield wrote.

Staffers for Mayor Dave Bing also have objected to the show.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100421/METRO/4210422/1409/Dateline-show-on-Detroit-prompts-more-outrage#ixzz0llVsplTy

I didn't see the show, but if it portrayed Detroit as a city of hope then I would have to agree with the Reverend Sheffield that it grossly misrepresented the city.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
QuoteJudge upholds measure that halts Bobb's plans for DPS
Tom Greenwood / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The plans of Detroit Public Schools Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb received a set back today when a Wayne County Circuit Court judge upheld an injunction that puts off Bobb's financial plans and halts his academic plans for the district.

Judge Wendy Baxter ruled that Bobb and the Detroit School Board should meet in June in order to delineate their powers concerning the running of the 85,000-student district.

"We have to figure out the limits of power which fall to the school board," Baxter said during the proceedings. "It's clear that he (Bobb) has the power to make financial decisions...but will those decisions harm the children? Financial power cannot leap over into academics."

Baxter said the hearings were needed in order to hear from experts whether Bobb's plans to close scores of schools, lay off teachers and cut back on selected classes would be harmful to students.

Special attorney John Clark -- appearing on behalf of Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox -- argued that there was need for further hearings on the case.

Baxter said the Attorney General's Office could still proceed with plans to file an appeal with the Michigan Court of Appeals.

Bobb and the school board have battled for academic control of the district since Gov. Jennifer Granholm appointed Bobb to his position in March 2009.

Bobb has claimed that it's impossible to separate financial management from academics, while the board insists that it has academic authority as the elected representatives of Detroit voters.

The Detroit Board of Education has alleged Bobb overstepped his authority by making academic decisions and failing to consult with the 11-member board. Bobb has appeared before lawmakers in Lansing at least twice to ask the law be amended to allow an emergency financial manager to seize academic control of a school district.

In March, Bobb unveiled a $540 million academic plan to boost standards, offer college level courses and seek to reach graduation rates of 98 percent by 2015. The school board had passed its own academic plan during the summer, but Bobb hadn't funded it. 

"Bobb's plans are radical at best and a failure at worst," said school board attorney Joyce Schon, in an impromptu press conference held outside the court chambers.

"We are not going to accept him using his authority to assault academic plans."


DPS spokesman Steve Wasko said hearings between the school board and Bobb would "move forward," and that an appeal would be filed with the Michigan Court of Appeals.

"You can't separate academics from finance," Wasko said. "That's the bottom line. Parents have removed their children from the Detroit school system because of academic failure from academic leaders."

A visibly upset Heather Miller condemned Bobb's plans today.

"I'm a Detroit school teacher, and I've been pink slipped," Miller said. "How can you lay off 2,000 teachers and not harm the students? How can you run a school district with one-third of the teachers gone? The man has no authority in the city of Detroit.

"It's good to see the school board finally standing up for the students."

Miller said that while she had been laid off from her position at Marquette Elementary, she had also been informed that she will be back in a teaching position this fall.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100421/SCHOOLS/4210393/Judge-upholds-measure-that-halts-Bobb-s-plans-for-DPS#ixzz0lm2Vd15Y

So the worst case with Bobb's plan is status quo; that sounds like a risk worth taking.

The maneuvering of the school board really is depressing.  I suspect the moment Bobb leaves things will return to the way they were. 
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Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2010, 11:38:46 AM
QuoteFord's dreamers long gone as unpaid car loans take over assembly lines
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News
Highland Park
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Cars come down the first moving assembly line in 1913 at the Ford plant in Highland Park. The plant is now full of rubble. (Ford Motor Co.)

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The former Ford plant in Highland Park was the birthplace of mass production. Piles of unpaid car loans have become commonplace as people can no longer pay for the once-affordable Ford. (Elizabeth Conley / The Detroit News)


From The Detroit News:

It is believed that Henry Ford's offices occupied the fourth floor of the Model T plant, allowing him to survey his mechanized plantation that recreated the world.

Now, less than a century later, a tree stands where Ford once did, growing among the shattered glass, asbestos and pigeon droppings. If Ford was standing near that window today, he would not see assembly lines or motors or axles. He'd see a warehouse of paperwork that contains, among other things, tens of thousands of defaulted car loans.

Ford did not believe in debt and so did not extend credit to car buyers until General Motors began allowing customers in 1919 to purchase cars on installment payments. The mass marketing of "buy now pay later" is another invention straight out of Detroit.

If Ford today walked across the rubble of his office and looked out the window facing Woodward Avenue, he would see a green historical marker that reads:

"Here at his Highland Park plant, Henry Ford in 1913 began the mass production of automobiles on a moving assembly line. By 1915, Ford built a million Model T's. In 1925, over 9,000 were assembled in a single day. Mass production soon moved from here to all phases of American industry and set the pattern of abundance for 20th Century living."

Nearby stood two 21st century men who are employed to watch over those unpaid car loans: Terry Madden, a ruddy 50-year-old, and Eric Draughn, a square-jawed 39-year-old. The fathers of both men came to Detroit from the South and made middle-class lives in the factories.

"My father put in 40 years with DeSoto and Ford and he never missed a day's work to my knowledge," Draughn said.

A third man came shambling by, an unemployed passer-by and something of a savant of automotive history. Harrison Bynum, too, is the son of a Southern man who made his way to Detroit in 1948 and got a job with Chrysler and like his father, Bynum, 57, spent some of his youth on the line.

"Hard to believe it all come to this," he said. Despite the balmy afternoon, Bynum wore a knit cap. "Ford, Durant, Sloan, Joy, Reuther, Dodge, Chevrolet, Kahn," he said of the industrial giants of generations ago. "All of 'em. What happened to dreamers like that? Who replaces them? Detroit used to make heroes out of nobodies. Now we got nobodies pretending to be heroes."

And there's the rub, the discontent, the root feeling among the little man that he's just not being told the whole truth by his leaders, that he gets lip service while the country crumbles around him.

When Ford offered the $5-a-day job in 1914, a worker could buy a car with four months' pay. Today, it would take a new autoworker earning $14 dollars an hour more than six months to buy Ford's cheapest car.

"It just don't add up," Bynum said.

A lot of it doesn't add up.

Goldman Sachs, the mega-bank, is being sued by the federal government for selling mortgage bonds as good investments and then turning around and betting they'll fail. Meanwhile, President Barack Obama, despite his "fat-cat bankers" rhetoric, is surrounded by former Wall Street men and took $15 million himself in the last campaign, a record.

Then there is General Motors announcing with much fanfare that it has paid back its $4.7 billion loan to Uncle Sam in full. But the federal government still holds a majority stake in GM, GMAC and 10 percent of Chrysler. In the end, the federal government expects to lose a minimum of $30 billion of the $85 billion in bailout money it extended to those failing companies.

Detroit City Hall is talking tough on its finances. But Mayor Dave Bing unveiled a budget last week that has the city plugging its deficit with $250 million in bonds that still leave the city $85 million in the red. Bing, who was elected largely on his business acumen, refuses to discuss the details on the collapse and sale of his metal fabricating company.

The Detroit Public Schools have been taken over by Robert Bobb, the emergency financial manager. Bobb was specifically hired by Gov. Jennifer Granholm to balance the books. But Bobb ended up delivering a $100 million deficit his first year -- no better than his predecessors when averaged over the previous two years. Nevertheless, Bobb got a raise, earns more than Obama and is tied up in court over academics and school closings.

Those men didn't create the mess they inherited, but as Draughn said: "It's hard to believe much of any of it is going to get fixed."

Where's the hope, I asked him? Most Americans are asking that question.

To which he replied: "As long as you have each other and you have faith, then there's hope. I guess."

To which Madden replied: "Not as long as we have politicians."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100423/METRO08/4230362/1439/METRO08/Ford-s-dreamers-long-gone-as-unpaid-car-loans-take-over-assembly-lines#ixzz0lwSPQKND
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Post by: Savonarola on April 23, 2010, 11:42:43 AM
No doubt she was surprisingly mature for her age:
QuotePolice: Detroit strip club employed 14-year-old
Santiago Esparza / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Law enforcement officials are to detail charges this afternoon against the manager of a northwest side strip club who allegedly employed a 14-year-old girl as a topless dancer.

Andrew Hutson, the 31-year-old manager of the All Star topless bar, will face charges of child sexual abusive activity, a 20-year felony, police said.

The mother of the girl heard her daughter was working at the club, went there and pulled her from the establishment and contacted police, officials said. The mother told investigators she had been having problems with the girl's behavior, police said.

Representatives of the Detroit Police Department and the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office will outline the case during the 1:15 p.m. press conference held across the street from the club at Eight Mile and Hubbell.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
Obama just doesn't care about black people.   :(


QuoteDuncan: Detroit school problems must be solved locally
Education chief says feds to play supporting role
Deb Price / Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -- Education Secretary Arne Duncan signaled Detroit Public Schools shouldn't expect a heavy hand from the federal government in fixing its myriad problems.

In an exclusive interview with The Detroit News, Duncan spoke enthusiastically about the turnaround prospects for a school system so troubled that he once said it kept him up at night. "We want to be helpful. But these issues have to be worked out at the local level," he said.

But the nation's education chief ducked a chance to offer prescriptions for change, instead characterizing his role as a partner who can support Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb, as well as Mayor Dave Bing. He wouldn't say whether he favored mayoral control of the school district, as some have advocated.

Duncan spoke up for teachers unions, urged Michigan to work harder in the Race to the Top, and backed more teaching of Mandarin and other languages to prepare schoolchildren for jobs.

But on the issue of Detroit schools, Duncan limited his role to helping the district by making money available for competitive grants and being a cheerleader. He urged Detroit to push to win education dollars aimed at helping reduce dropout rates, close achievement gaps and improve teacher quality.

"We have never had so many discretionary resources," Duncan said.

Detroit schools' dropout rate, according to district officials, was 27 percent in June 2008, while the national dropout rate was about 8.7 percent. Its fourth- and eighth-graders recently scored the lowest ever on national math and science tests administered by the National Assessment of Education Progress. And Bobb expects to post a $317 million deficit by this summer -- the largest year-end deficit ever reported by the district.

DPS spokesman Steve Wasko welcomed Duncan's supportive comments.

"It's important and significant that the secretary of education focuses on the need for reform in Detroit. We've aggressively applied for and gotten grants," said Wasko, although he added it would help if Washington would loosen regulations so grant money could flow directly to cities.

'Bottom of the barrel'
DPS has received a large portion of the $800 million in stimulus money it's applied for, Wasko said, including $500 million to build, remodel and tear down schools, and it intends to aggressively compete for more.

Duncan characterized DPS as starting at "the bottom of the barrel," with "staggeringly high" dropout rates.

"This isn't a decades-long thing," he said. "Three years, five years from now, I think Detroit Public Schools could be in a radically, in a dramatically different place than it is today."

Duncan also urged Detroit to come together, with Bing as a rallier, for the city's children. Bobb, who was appointed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm, is scheduled to end his second one-year term in March 2011.

"I don't think a public school system by itself can improve as fast as it needs to do; everyone behind it, everyone in the city has to be part of that effort, everyone has to be contributing," Duncan said.

"And I think the mayor, from the bully pulpit, as the leader of a city, is the best person to help rally everyone's efforts. What can be more important than making sure children in Detroit get a dramatically better education than what they received frankly for decades?"

Bing spokeswoman Karen Dumas said, "We see Secretary Duncan and President Obama as partners, and welcome their help."

Duncan's priorities
Duncan also addressed:

• Race to the Top: After Delaware and Tennessee won the first round of grants March 29, $3.4 billion is available for the next round of competition, when 10 to 15 states will be picked.

"I'd (urge) Michigan to look at the applications, the comments from those states that won and those states that almost won," he said.

State lawmakers in December passed a five-bill education reform package that raised the high school dropout age to 18, paved the way to open more charter schools, gave the state power to seize control of failing schools and ended long-standing union protections for ineffective teachers.

• Teacher layoffs when stimulus money dries up: He is pushing Congress for "desperately needed" money to avert layoffs.

"I am very, very concerned about huge job losses around the country."

• Teachers union priorities: Duncan said unions often are portrayed as "monolithic" or as " bad guys."

"I can take to you many, many places in the country where there is extraordinary, committed, thoughtful union leadership that absolutely understands that public education has to improve dramatically," he said.

• Teaching Mandarin, other languages: Foreign languages will give youths moving into their careers an edge, he said.

"Any student who is growing up with those skills, think of the opportunity they have in a global economy," he said.

• No Child Left Behind: He expressed hope the testing program will be overhauled.

"It was too punitive, it was too prescriptive," he said. "... We have to reverse all of that."

I look forward to the dramatically different place Detroit Public Schools will be in 2013.  :)
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Post by: Valmy on April 26, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
I look forward to the dramatically different place Detroit Public Schools will be in 2013.  :)


They are going to move them all across the river into Windsor?  Or is that not dramatically different enough?
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Post by: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
They are going to move them all across the river into Windsor?  Or is that not dramatically different enough?

That would be dramatic; Windsor would be the first Canadian city to experience White Flight.
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Post by: Barrister on April 26, 2010, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
They are going to move them all across the river into Windsor?  Or is that not dramatically different enough?

That would be dramatic; Windsor would be the first Canadian city to experience White Flight.

You haven't been to downtown Winnipeg recently.  Not very many white people...
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Post by: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2010, 03:44:01 PM
You haven't been to downtown Winnipeg recently.  Not very many white people...

I haven't, but from Guy Maddin films I've learned that Winnipeg is a Soviet style dictatorship filled with murderers and homosexuals.  It's sad that white people can't survive in that environment.   :(
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Post by: Barrister on April 26, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 26, 2010, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2010, 03:44:01 PM
You haven't been to downtown Winnipeg recently.  Not very many white people...

I haven't, but from Guy Maddin films I've learned that Winnipeg is a Soviet style dictatorship filled with murderers and homosexuals.  It's sad that white people can't survive in that environment.   :(

:lol:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 29, 2010, 10:22:45 AM
QuoteDetroit's restaurant scene mired in 'misery'
Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News
Detroit

Downtown development officials gave a sobering assessment Wednesday of Detroit's restaurant market two days after a pair of high-profile eateries abruptly closed in the wake of a city lawsuit that accused the owner of fraud.

"It's misery right now to maintain a restaurant in downtown Detroit," said Ted Gatzaros, a Downtown Development Authority board member and longtime developer in downtown. His holdings include the Atheneum Suites Hotel and Fishbone's Rhythm Kitchen Café in Greektown.

Gatzaros made the statement as the board of the quasi-public agency discussed a proposed restaurant, Smokehouse Barbecue, with plans to open in the Paradise Valley Business & Entertainment District, the same area where Detroit Fish Market closed Tuesday. 
The board approved the restaurant's location but had a lengthy discussion about the financial incentives it would likely need to survive in Paradise Valley.

Unless the restaurant is given at least six months of free rent, "are we just setting them up" for failure? asked authority board member Linda Bade.

In other business, the authority approved an extension to Nov. 1 of the payment period for an interest-free loan to the Lofts at Woodward. The original $1.3 million loan expired in December. The loft project's property tax was reduced by 6 percent so the project could make a $50,000 annual profit instead of take a $50,000 loss.

The development agency so far this year has paid out $6.5 million more than it has taken in, according to an agency document circulated Wednesday.

The board held an executive session on the closing of Detroit Fish Market and Detroit's Breakfast House & Grill. The downtown authority lawsuit alleges that owner Frank Taylor owes $180,000 in rent.

The DDA has moved to evict Detroit Fish Market. The agency, which owns the building, charged rent based on Taylor's profits.

In the suit, the authority further accused Taylor of "manipulation" by transferring money from the restaurant to other ventures, including his bankrupt and closed Seldom Blues restaurant, which was in a prime location at the Renaissance Center.

The DDA said it took legal action when it found compelling evidence that profits from Detroit Fish Market were transferred to other businesses with no reasonable expectation of return.

DDA board members and officials said Wednesday that they supported Taylor because of his goal of creating high-end restaurants. Any signs of major financial trouble only came after he had received DDA loans. "His operations were profitable and popular," DDA board member Walter Watkins said.

Despite the mood at the downtown authority, some downtown restaurant owners say they are having success.

"Things are hopping," said Vicente Vazquez, owner of Vicente's Cuban Cuisine on Library Street, where the lunch hour was crowded Wednesday. "The Tigers home games make a world of difference. We have events at the Detroit Opera that keep us going. And, of course, Friday and Saturday nights, we have lines out the door."

The atmosphere in downtown is either feast or famine, says Larry Mongo, who runs a nightclub called Café D'Mongos that is only open on Friday nights. Business is often fueled by big occasions such as sports games or cultural events, he said.

Mongo plans to open another restaurant downtown this summer called Hotel D'Mongos Dining Room.

"The thing you have to figure out is: What time is the feast?" Mongo said.

Originally the Detroit's east side was known as Black Bottom due to the rich soil.  As African Americans moved into the area the name was changed to the euphemistic Paradise Valley.  The area that they're now calling Paradise Valley is actually the old German area of town formerly known as Harmonie Park.  The city government isn't wild about celebrating Detroit's German immigrant heritage so they changed the name of Harmonie Park to Paradise Valley.  For a long time the city of Detroit has wanted an area of black owned businesses to succeed the way that Mexican Town, Greek Town and the Chaldean Village have; originally they wanted create a new "African Town."  In time they modified their plans to bolster an existing area, this Paradise Valley, but even with city support it's facing challenges.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 29, 2010, 01:31:42 PM
QuoteDetroit plans to save city by demolishing vacant neighborhoods
Posted: 10:00 AM ET
Jim Acosta - Correspondent, CNN's American Morning
Filed under: Economy •U.S.
Editor's Note: Hit hard by the recession, the once-proud city of Detroit is now a shell of its former self – literally. Parts of Detroit resemble a war zone and the mayor has a radical plan to save the decaying motor city, by shrinking it. Our Jim Acosta has the report.

By Jim Acosta, CNN

(CNN) – This was one of those stories that had me and my producer agonizing over the material left on the cutting room floor. Mostly images that we couldn't squeeze into our story.

Take our drive with Data Driven Detroit's Kurt Metzger. He's the guy who led a team of land surveyors around the city measuring Detroit's urban blight block by block.


During the drive, we saw recently built Habitat for Humanity homes surrounded by vacant houses. We saw an almost brand new playground in another failed neighborhood. The fence around the pristine play set had fallen and the grass was overgrown. No kids in sight. Our cameras didn't exaggerate Detroit's decay. If anything, they couldn't capture it all.

The old Wayne County office building, a historic landmark, in downtown Detroit has fallen on hard times. The county moved its workers out of the building. Now, only a fraction of the structure is used as a preschool. The rest of the building stands vacant.

Vacancy is a plague on much of the city's urban core. We wish we had more time to tell the story of Detroit's once grand train station. It, too, is a sad and empty site. Many of the station's windows are smashed. It ought to be saved.

There's also much more that can be said about one of the voices in our piece, the Reverend Dr. Horace Sheffield. If you ever need a history guide through inner-city Detroit, he's the guy. His father, also a reverend, was a pioneering civil rights leader in the city who marched with Martin Luther King.

The younger Sheffield had plenty of ideas for turning the city around. He'd like to see a summit of church and city leaders search for solutions other than the radical demolition plan put forward by the mayor.

Speaking of the mayor, Dave Bing declined our multiple requests for an interview. His staff said he was simply too busy. It's too bad. We wanted to press Mayor Bing on how he would have accomplished his goal of demolishing 10,000 dangerous residential structures by the end of his term. This plan will result in the removal of scores of residents. It's hard to imagine all of them wanting to go. So the painful process of eminent domain, at some point, will likely be part of the plan's end game.

And finally, apologies to the folks at Hantz Farms. Our interview with the company's president, Mike Score, didn't make it into the piece. Hantz hopes to take much of the open space that's left after Detroit's mass demolition and turn it into the largest urban farm in the world.

Best of luck to them and everybody in Detroit. The people couldn't have been nicer during our stay. I've said it once and I'll say it again... it's hard not to root for Detroit.

I once built a playground in Detroit for Habitat for Humanity.  :)

Reverend Sheffield has likened Bing's plans to downsize the city to ethnic cleansing.  Maybe we could get UN Peacekeepers.
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Post by: Strix on April 29, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
I have no issues with tearing down old abandoned houses. Rochester has a lot of them (over 2000) because of a falling population with the departure of businesses and downsizing of Kodak over the years. The houses attract criminals who use them as drug dens, flop houses, and gang hangouts. The houses are run down and continually boarded up, so they add nothing to property value or the neighborhood. Destroying the houses would create more "green" space and allow for the creation of parks and public spaces while forcing criminals to move elsewhere.

And, of course, the added benefit of my not having to clear them looking for parolees and absconders. That's just a bonus.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 29, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
The problem, in Detroit, is that demolishing houses is a never ending process.  Our last two mayors made demolishing abandoned homes a priority and before that we had helpful Devil's Nigthers to burn them down.  Even if Bing had the resources to demolish all 40,000 abandoned houses in Detroit there'll be another 10,000 abandoned by the time he's done. 

It's better to demolish some of these houses then leave them all standing; but if there is an expectation that Bing's plans will end blight in Detroit then that is unrealistic.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 30, 2010, 08:43:55 AM
QuoteKilpatrick blew off subpoena
Former mayor called to testify in lawsuit by former bodyguard
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News
Detroit -- Kwame Kilpatrick was supposed to have testified at an ongoing whistle-blower lawsuit trial brought by one of his police bodyguards, but the former mayor refused last week to accept a subpoena.

Wayne Circuit Court jurors were told Thursday that Kilpatrick had brushed aside a process server April 20 while exiting another Wayne County courtroom shortly after he had been told he was guilty of probation violations.

The subpoena was related to a suit filed by Detroit Police Officer Tony Davis. The suit alleges he was harassed and punished for threatening to tell about illegal activities he saw while guarding Kilpatrick and his family until 2003.

"I told him, 'Mr. Kilpatrick, I have a subpoena for you.' He told me to get out of his way," Timothy Sargent testified before Wayne County Circuit Judge Michael Sapala.

Davis' lawsuit also has alleged salacious details about Kilpatrick's days as mayor, including Davis' recollections about the long-rumored party at the Manoogian Mansion. He said he heard talk of a party that "got out of hand." Davis said he also saw people he believes were drug dealers and gangsters meet with Kilpatrick in his City Hall office.

City lawyers have accused Davis of trying to cash in on the kind of $8.4 million settlement awarded to other whistle-blower cops in connection with the text message scandal. However, the city's attorneys aren't contesting numerous claims Davis made about Kilpatrick's extracurricular behavior while he was the city's leader.

The Detroit Law Department, which fought to keep the text messages secret, now says it is fact that:

• Kilpatrick was "known to be a player or ladies' man."

• Former Chief of Staff Christine Beatty used to visit the mayoral mansion when Kilpatrick's wife, Carlita, was out of town. Davis said he saw Beatty and Kilpatrick embrace and kiss.

• Kilpatrick spent long evening and night hours with Beatty at her home.

• While guarding Kilpatrick, his wife and children at a hotel, Davis watched the former mayor enter a different room down the hall where he met with two "street women."

• Kilpatrick was a frequent guest at a spa in Ferndale, staying long after closing time.

• When an officer found a pair of women's panties inside Kilpatrick's SUV, they were quietly given to Kilpatrick.

• Davis said he witnessed what he called inappropriate conduct with female employees.

Kilpatrick was told last week that he is guilty of probation violations and was warned by a judge to have his affairs in order because he faces jail when he returns May 25 for sentencing.

Sargent said he confronted Kilpatrick twice as he left Circuit Judge David Groner's fourth-floor courtroom last week. Sargent rushed down the stairs to confront Kilpatrick again in front of the courthouse. Kilpatrick, who usually stops on the courthouse steps after his frequent court appearances to make statements to the assembled media, rushed to a waiting car without comment that day.

That wasn't the first time Kilpatrick publically refused service in the Davis case. On Oct. 29, when arriving at Frank Murphy Hall of Justice for a restitution hearing before Groner, Kilpatrick knocked a subpoena out of the hands of another process server. Keith Gant had attempted to give Kilpatrick an order to appear for testimony.

City lawyers on Thursday asked Sapala to throw out Davis' lawsuit. But the judge refused, saying he has heard evidence so far that jurors might use to determine Davis was punished for reporting wrongdoing and that Kilpatrick and his appointees were behind the actions taken against Davis.

Davis volunteered to work on Kilpatrick's first campaign for mayor in 2001. He said he thought serving on Kilpatrick's bodyguard unit would be the pinnacle of his police career. "He manipulated me. He manipulated the city of Detroit. He manipulated his wife," Davis testified

Kwame really was living the dream; it's a shame he got caught. 
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 30, 2010, 09:09:48 AM
Hazing, Detroit style:
QuoteStudent: Frat hazing put him in hospital
George Hunter / The Detroit News
Detroit -- A fraternity's Wayne State University chapter has been suspended and could have its charter revoked following allegations that a 22-year-old pre-medical student was hazed so cruelly he wound up in a hospital for nearly two weeks.

Eric Walker claims he was required to go to a house on Grand Street in west Detroit for 32 consecutive days, where he says he was administered beatings that sometimes lasted several hours as part of his initiation to become a member of the Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity.

"They would hit me all over," said Walker of Ann Arbor. "They would have me recite information I'd learned about history or whatever, and see how I responded under pressure by hitting me with thick paddles and slamming my body with their hands."

 
Walker's attorney said he plans to sue the fraternity for the medical bills incurred because of the beatings. The most severe thrashing, Walker said, occurred in the Grand Street house on March 1, when allegedly dozens of fraternity members from across Michigan assaulted him. Walker said he also was forced to eat dog food.

Later that night, after he'd gone home, Walker said he was horrified to see that his urine was red. A friend drove him to Annapolis Hospital in Wayne. Walker later was transferred to University Hospital in Ann Arbor, where he was treated for kidney failure, among other injuries. He remained in the hospital for 12 days.

"The doctors told me he might not recover," said his mother, Tina Walker. "He was dying."

A prestigious fraternity
Kappa Alpha Psi is a prestigious, African-American based fraternity. Notable members include Michigan Congressman John Conyers, talk show host Tavis Smiley and film director John Singleton.

The chapter on WSU's campus has less than 10 members and no fraternity house, officials said.

Richard Lee Snow, executive director of the Philadelphia-based fraternity, said he is looking into the allegations and insisted that hazing is forbidden according to the organization's bylaws.

"We do not condone hazing," Snow said, declining further comment.

Wayne State Police Chief Anthony Holt said he is close to wrapping up his investigation into the alleged March 1 incident and plans to present information to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office as early as next week.

"I'm very confident the investigation will show that the incident did take place," Holt said. "(Walker's) kidney shut down; he was beaten pretty bad."

Group may lose charter
Holt said the suspension, which was handed down by Wayne State officials as soon as his investigation determined that the allegations had merit, could result in the revocation of the fraternity's charter, which would prevent the organization from being affiliated with the university.

In addition to any criminal punishment, the students involved could also face suspension from the university, Holt said.

There have been at least four other incidents nationwide in the past seven years in which Kappa Alpha Psi chapters were suspended following hazing initiations. On April 1, the fraternity chapter at the University of Central Florida was shut down after a student alleged he was severely beaten with canes.

"If the fraternity officials say they don't know this is going on, that's a bunch of hooey," said Daniel Romano, Walker's attorney. "It's ingrained in the culture.

"This thing that went on the last day (March 1) had people from all over the region; members and alumnus from all over Michigan and Ohio were there, coming by and taking shots at (Walker), hitting him all over his body."

Walker said the house was rented by a member of the fraternity, which does not have property on the Wayne State campus, according to Holt.

Susan Lipkins, a psychologist who gives lectures nationwide about the consequences of hazing, said research shows there has been at least one hazing-related death on a college campus each year since 1970.

"It's like the Army; they break you down so that you lose your identity, and adopt the behavior of the group," Lipkins said.

Breaking point
Walker said he put up with the hazing for several weeks because he felt obligated to his fellow pledges to stick it out.

"I was going to quit at least three or four times, but (elder fraternity members) told us if one person dropped out, nobody in my group would make it," he said. "Also, one of the (pledges) paid the $900 fee (to become a pledge), and I felt I owed it to him to stay."

But following the alleged March 1 incident, Walker said he'd had enough.

"While I was in the hospital, I made up my mind that I wasn't going back," he said. "My (fellow pledges) were the only ones who came to see me; nobody else from the fraternity came to see if I was all right. Only one person called, but he just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to tell anyone what happened.

"That really hit me; I realized that these people didn't care about me."

Walker, who does not have medical insurance, said he received a bill from the U-M hospital for more than $24,000, and expects more bills in the tens of thousands of dollars.

"I expect the medical bills will be significant," Romano said.

Walker said he plans to enroll in another university and continue to study medicine.

"I'm done with fraternities," he said. "I'm just going to concentrate on my studies."

No one does hazing quite as well as historic black fraternities.  When I was an undergrad I was walking home on one of the coldest nights in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  The school's one black fraternity had all their pledges out holding light bulbs over their heads and chanting "Unity."
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 30, 2010, 10:15:53 AM
Canada is always keeping the the brown man down:

QuoteMoroun to sue over Canada's bridge offer
By JOHN GALLAGHER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

Ambassador Bridge owner Manuel (Matty) Moroun is preparing to file a claim against the Canadian government under the North American Free Trade Agreement for its $550-million offer to fund Michigan's portion of the proposed Detroit River International Crossing bridge.

"The only way the DRIC project will have enough traffic to justify its construction is by diverting traffic from and bankrupting the three existing international crossings in the area: The Ambassador Bridge, Blue Water Bridge and Detroit-Windsor Tunnel," said Patrick Moran, corporate counsel for the Detroit International Bridge Co., which is owned by Moroun.

In a statement released this morning, Moran said Moroun's company would file a NAFTA claim against the Canadian government based on Canada's offer made public Thursday to front Michigan's upfront expenses for the DRIC process.

Moran added that "it is clear that the Canadian government is using its legislative power inappropriately to discriminate against an Arab-American businessman who has owned and operated the Ambassador Bridge for more than 30 years." Moroun's family is of Lebanese descent.

This claim would mark the second NAFTA claim Moroun has filed to challenge the DRIC project. He is also engaged in lawsuits at the state and federal level trying to block the project.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on April 30, 2010, 10:48:37 AM
I know somebody who has the bright idea to buy up property in Detroit, thinking either the city will eventually have a revival, or the state/feds will eventually intervene, thus bringing on a revival.

I passed on his bidness proposal.  :shutup:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Strix on April 30, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 30, 2010, 09:09:48 AM
No one does hazing quite as well as historic black fraternities.  When I was an undergrad I was walking home on one of the coldest nights in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  The school's one black fraternity had all their pledges out holding light bulbs over their heads and chanting "Unity."

I haven't run across too many non-historic black frats that brand their members. They are a hardcore bunch.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 11, 2011, 12:07:37 PM
It's like Les Miserable, but at a country club rather than a prison ship:

QuoteConyers: 'No seconds' at Camp Cupcake
Ex-Detroit city official prays for Kilpatrick, dislikes the prison food
The Detroit News / The Detroit News
The paper
Some call it Camp Cupcake, but Alderson Federal Prison is no cakewalk, ex-Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers says.

The incarcerated wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers wrote a three-page letter to The Detroit News saying she's keeping her spirits up, prays for the family of former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, loves Detroit and hates prison chow.


"It's over-crowded and they barely have food to feed the people," Conyers wrote in the Jan. 12 letter. "The portions are smaller and no seconds when it's something good. Most of the women are here for drugs!"

The chase
Conyers is now known as federal inmate No. 43693-039 after pleading guilty to accepting $6,000 in bribes for switching her vote on a $1.2 billion sludge contract. But she still signs her correspondence "Councilwoman Monica."

In September, she left her home overlooking the Detroit Golf Club for Alderson, a minimum-security prison in West Virginia overlooking the Alleghany Mountains.

Unlike her former top aide, Sam Riddle, who this month was transferred to the medium-security Butner Federal Correctional Complex in North Carolina to serve time for bribery, Conyers is doing her bit at a minimum-security prison that looks like a prep school.

Dubbed "Camp Cupcake" for its reputation as one of the cushiest correctional facilities, the 1,128-female inmate facility offers washers, dryers and curling irons; access to pedicures and manicures and windows that open. It also lacks what is standard in most lockups — a razor-wire fence.

"It's not a lot to do here. The main place of employment closed down," wrote Conyers. "I keep busy by knitting, crocheting and (beading) going to church. I am continuing my religious studies on my own. Other than that, it's mainly recreation choices because classes are filled."

But life isn't all Scripture and yarn. Conyers wrote that she yearns for Detroit. Her earliest possible release is May 16, 2013.

"As for me and my family, we are well and they visit often. But it is cold now and snowing so I told them to come back when the weather changes. Safety reasons!" Conyers wrote from the prison that it is an eight-hour drive from Detroit.

"Please tell the Detroiters, I miss helping them and I love them. They have sent me numerous letters and books to read, cards also."

Conyers' letter, written in a curlicue cursive, also displays a fondness for punctuation often deployed by adolescents and the text-message set.

"By the way, how was the auto show, did it rain or snow on the people? (SMH) LOL!" wrote Conyers.

The line is an apparent swipe at her foes during the messy fight over Cobo Center who claimed its roof leaks. The acronyms are teen-speak for "shaking my head" and "laughing out loud."

Conyers didn't respond to a letter that asked more probing questions and her attorney, Douglas Mullkoff, denied a request for an interview. But she could be talking soon.

A judge on Wednesday ordered taxpayers to foot the bill for hotel and travel for Mullkoff next week for a deposition in a case involving her time on the pension board.

Maybe her luck will turn around and she'll end up more like the Count of Monte Christo than Jean Valjean.  I can see her now saying to her adversaries in her moment of triumph "I haz got loot, call me: Sinbad, LOL, LOL, LOL."
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 14, 2011, 07:37:07 AM
We stand on the edge of a New Frontier—the frontier of unfulfilled hopes and dreams, a frontier of unknown opportunities and beliefs in peril. Beyond that frontier are uncharted areas of science and space, unsolved problems of peace and war, unconquered problems of ignorance and prejudice, unanswered questions of poverty and surplus.


QuoteMedicare scams infect Detroit as recruiters use poor to steal millions
DETROIT FREE PRESS

Detroit has become one of the nation's "new frontiers" for Medicare fraud with many scams run by operators fleeing a federal crackdown in Miami.

Authorities say operators use recruiters to target poor men on Detroit streets, at soup kitchens and in homeless shelters. They shuttle them in vans to clinics set up for the scams or run by licensed providers trying to bilk the system for bogus treatments or for care never rendered or needed. Operators take their Medicare information in exchange for $50 or more.

Detroit's unemployment rate makes it a particularly vulnerable target. Authorities have identified at least $120 million in fraudulent billings in metro Detroit.

The businesses investigated include physical therapy clinics, home health care agencies, medical equipment providers and podiatry offices. More regulation and prosecution is needed, some attorneys say.

"It's like banks without an alarm system," said David Haron, a Troy attorney who specializes in Medicare and Medicaid fraud, referring to the ease with which some medical businesses are established.

Since a federal strike force was created in Detroit in 2009, there have been more than 200 arrests, resulting in 60 guilty pleas and eight convictions at trial. Two operators of a Dearborn clinic -- sisters Clara and Caridad Guilarte -- are on a federal most-wanted list after their Dearborn infusion clinic was shut down for fraud.

Yet the recruiters keep coming.

Poor people's Medicare information is being used to bilk the government
A man in white painter's pants and a black parka with a fur-lined hood chatted last week with the poor, mostly homeless men at the Conner Capuchin Soup Kitchen on the east side of Detroit.

It wasn't his first time.

"They are here every day," Marilyn Reyes, assistant manager of the kitchen, said, pointing to the man, one of many Medicare recruiters preying on poor, elderly and frail people in Detroit.

When ordered to leave, the man takes his business to the public sidewalk or to a nearby fast-food restaurant or liquor store, the staff said.

Reyes said one recruiter even threatened her a few months ago when she told him to leave, saying, " 'I'll have you killed.' ''

By the vanloads, these recruiters truck their targets to clinics, doctors' offices or other health care businesses in the suburbs, where their Medicare information is traded for $50 or more. The information is then used to bilk the federal government out of thousands of dollars in fraudulent Medicare billings.

When time doesn't allow for a trip, recruiters take pictures of their targets' red-white-and-blue Medicare cards for use in the scams.

To avoid detection during their recruiting trips, some drivers cover their license plates. Men most often are the targets, as they far outnumber women on the streets and at programs serving homeless people.

These activities continue all over the city, including at both Capuchin Soup Kitchens on the east side. The kitchens serve 1,000 meals a day, mostly to homeless men ranging from recently released prisoners to elderly Medicare beneficiaries.

The Conner Capuchin Soup Kitchen was forced to add a security guard in late February to watch its parking lot, in addition to guards who oversee the kitchen and staff inside. A recruiter mistakenly hit on guard Frank Shannon, a retired Detroit police officer, on his first day on the job, asking for his Medicare information in exchange for $50. He said he gave a bogus number to the man, who left. When he returned another day, he told the man he was a security guard hired to get rid of people like him, saying, "There's a new sheriff in town."

The Meldrum Capuchin Soup Kitchen also employs security guards inside and out, to no avail.

"They were here again today," a guard told Brother Jerry Smith, Capuchin Soup Kitchen executive director, on Thursday.

The aggressiveness and pervasiveness of these soup kitchen recruiters shows the scope of the Medicare fraud problem, despite the nation's biggest effort to end it.

Since March 2007, when the first joint federal task force began investigating Medicare fraud in Miami, 990 people have been charged with filing $2.3 billion in false Medicare billings in nine U.S. cities, including Detroit, where the task force efforts have been expanded. Investigators have identified at least $120 million in fraudulent billings in metro Detroit alone.

Federal officials estimate 3% to 10% of the $3.3 trillion the U.S. will spend on health care in 2012 will be wasted because of fraud and abuse. Cutting fraud and waste is critical to making Medicare solvent for future generations and finding money to offset costs for health reforms.

"In Detroit, and in the eight cities across the nation, our strike forces have been making a real impact," Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, said in a statement to the Free Press. "We're no longer waiting for criminals to trip up. We're working together ... to identify the bad actors early, tracking the large criminal enterprises and shutting them down.''

As the Miami crackdown intensified, health care providers moved from there to other cities including Detroit, where large populations of poor, elderly and sick people, often with AIDS and other chronic problems, "make a target-rich environment," said Tom Spokaeski, assistant special agent in charge of Detroit's Office of Inspector General, part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Businesses Spokaeski and others have investigated include home health care clinics, podiatry offices, physical therapy businesses and doctors' offices. Some ordered costly tests and expensive prescription drugs or billed for services never rendered, according to federal court records in Detroit.

Others billed for months of physical therapy or home care for people who didn't need any care or needed much less rehabilitation.

With its high unemployment rate, Detroit is a particularly easy target.

On a tour of the Cass Corridor last week, Spokaeski pointed to an area that federal investigators call "the Beach" near Third and Martin Luther King Drive, where dozens of people mill around some days talking to Medicare recruiters waiting for them on vacant lots, outside an aging hotel and near a homeless shelter.

Spokaeski and others have helped arrest more than 120 people in Medicare fraud scams since May 2009, when the joint task force expanded to Detroit. As of last month, 60 of 120 defendants arrested in Detroit have pleaded guilty and another eight have been convicted at trial, according to the Justice Department.

The average prison sentence in Detroit is 41.4 months, with nine people getting stiffer sentences of as much as 10 years.

"Despite our efforts, there is no shortage of cases," said Barbara McQuade, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District in Detroit.

"We want providers to know we are scrutinizing billing records, and people will be brought to justice. We are seeing very strong sentences in these cases. People who just think a slap on the wrist are mistaken. The judges in our court have taken a very harsh view to this kind of activity.''

Federal investigators also have arrested and sentenced some of the recruiters but "the problem is rampant" and issues of attempted assault or trespass typically fall to local police, Spokaeski said. The Detroit Police Department did not return calls for comment.

$2.3 million in Medicare billings in four months
Xpress opened in November 2006 in Livonia. It was set up as a drug infusion clinic to administer high-dose prescription drugs by infusion for complications resulting from AIDS and HIV, hepatitis C and other problems.

Xpress lived up to its name.

Bankrolled by several Miami health care providers who later were charged or sentenced in various scams, it billed Medicare $2.3 million before federal agencies shut it down four months later, according to federal court records.

One of the principal owners of the clinic was Juan De Oleo, 51, of Miami, who was licensed as a physician's assistant in Florida, federal court records show.

De Oleo and his partners had run other infusion clinics in Miami before coming to metro Detroit, federal authorities say.

They set up four infusion clinics -- one in Livonia, two in Dearborn and one in Southfield -- between 2006 and 2007, court records show. One of the Dearborn infusion clinics was run by Clara and Caridad Guilarte, who fled the country when their clinic was shut down for fraud. The two are now on a most-wanted list issued by the inspector general's office in the Department of Health and Human Services.

The government focused its case on the Livonia operations, where it obtained the best records to establish fraud.

To help with the scheme, De Oleo needed a doctor willing to write prescriptions and bill Medicare for costly drugs. Through a newspaper ad, he found one. But the doctor usually appeared so stoned or drunk that De Oleo then convinced his wife, Dr. Rosa Genao, a 52-year-old Miami pediatrician, to help. Genao had been involved in questionable clinic billings in Miami, according to federal court records.

Flying in to Detroit on weekends in the dead of winter, Genao directed the falsification of records to bill Medicare for costly drugs at the Livonia clinic, court records show.

The clinics rendered little care and did not even have an adequate supply of medicines for the amount of drugs they allegedly prescribed, the court records show. In all, the four clinics submitted $11 million in billings to Medicare for about six months of operations, records show.

Three homeless people caught up in the Livonia scheme are among 19 Medicare recipients in Detroit charged in the scams, typically with conspiracy to receive health care kickbacks, a felony. Most have gotten probation, according to the Justice Department.

One was Rodney Woods, who received two years of probation for giving his Medicare information to Xpress.

"Rodney Woods was a truly sick individual'' with AIDS, hepatitis C and other medical problems, said his Detroit attorney, S. Allen Early.

Early said the clinic billed Medicare $82,000 for Woods' care, but the government said Woods got mostly sham treatments or, at most, B12 vitamin shots before a van shuttled him back to Detroit.

"He was more a victim than a participant in the scheme," said Early.

Attorneys at the sentencing for De Oleo and Genao portrayed De Oleo as a silent investor in the clinics and his wife as a reluctant participant.

Letters from their pastor, family and colleagues to federal judge Denise Page Hood said the couple served as marriage counselors at their Mennonite church in Miami and Genao was a volunteer for a program in Miami called Virtuous Women that helped women raise their children.

"I can see you were kind of the rising star of your family," Hood said to Genao, referring to Genao's life growing up in Puerto Rico, attending medical school in the Dominican Republic and struggling to get licensed as a doctor in Florida.

Hood didn't buy the couple's pitch, saying both were more like top-of-the-food-chain perpetrators, compared with "the little guys" her court also has sentenced for Medicare fraud.

She sentenced De Oleo to 10 years in prison and Genao to eight and ordered the couple to pay $1.8 million in restitution.

Attorneys for De Oleo have requested a new trial. Both the husband and wife declined to comment.

De Oleo was taken away in handcuffs after his sentencing, kissing his wife on the cheek as he left the court with two U.S. marshals.

Genao awaits a letter from the federal Bureau of Prisons telling her where to surrender to serve her sentence. She threw herself on the ground under the attorney's table in Hood's courtroom after the verdict, sobbing.

New federal rules and fraud office in Michigan
New federal rules going into effect this month are an attempt to increase scrutiny of providers seeking Medicare numbers that allow them to bill the program, and to conduct unannounced inspections.

Michigan also has a newly created Office of Inspector General within its Medicaid division and has increased prosecution of health care providers who falsely bill the state-administered Medicaid program. But some providers, particularly those who bill private insurers, often can be involved in questionable activities that escape detection if the business is not required to be licensed. Such is the case with home health care agencies, imaging centers and outpatient clinics, for example. A bill to require licensing of home health care agencies awaits a hearing by the state Senate Health Policy Committee.

Still, attorneys complain that more scrutiny is needed, particularly before a business is allowed to open, and more resources are needed to prosecute illegal and questionable activities.

"There needs to be more resources to vet the people" before they open any type of health care business in Michigan, said David Haron, a Troy Medicare and Medicaid fraud attorney.

Medicaid Fraud, the final frontier...
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on March 14, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 11, 2011, 12:07:37 PM
It's like Les Miserable, but at a country club rather than a prison ship:

I'm glad that we can still get her ridiculousness via prison.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 14, 2011, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 11, 2011, 12:07:37 PM
It's like Les Miserable, but at a country club rather than a prison ship:

QuoteConyers: 'No seconds' at Camp Cupcake
Ex-Detroit city official prays for Kilpatrick, dislikes the prison food
The Detroit News / The Detroit News
The paper
Some call it Camp Cupcake, but Alderson Federal Prison is no cakewalk, ex-Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers says.

The incarcerated wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers wrote a three-page letter to The Detroit News saying she's keeping her spirits up, prays for the family of former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, loves Detroit and hates prison chow.


"It's over-crowded and they barely have food to feed the people," Conyers wrote in the Jan. 12 letter. "The portions are smaller and no seconds when it's something good. Most of the women are here for drugs!"

No seconds! :o
The nerve of those people! :angry:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 25, 2011, 03:51:30 PM
More bulldozing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/bank-of-america-detroit-abandoned-homes_n_839817.html

Quote

Bank Of America Will Help Demolish Detroit's Abandoned Homes

The Huffington Post  Maxwell Strachan
First Posted: 03/24/11 03:15 PM Updated: 03/25/11 01:30 AM

Bank of America, the country's largest bank by assets, has announced an initiative to demolish one hundred abandoned Detroit homes currently under the bank's ownership, a task that CEO Brian T. Moynihan says will "help 'right-size' the city," according to the Detroit Free Press.

The bank, which estimates the costs at $1 million, says the land plots will be donated to the city "for green space, urban farming or redevelopment."

Bank of America also plans to donate ten renovated homes to Detroit police officers willing to move into one of Mayor Bing's two designated-need neighborhoods, Boston-Edison and East English Village. Mayor Bing hopes to draw police officers -- and eventually firefighters -- back into the neighborhoods they service. Many have left for the suburbs since a bill ended residency requirements for officers in 1999.

Bank of America's announcement comes days after the Census published findings that the population of Detroit, once America's fourth-largest city, has dwindled by 25 percent in the past decade -- and 60 percent since 1950 -- to its lowest level in a century.

That slow exodus, the result of a declining auto industry, has turned once-prosperous neighborhoods into barren wastelands. Last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that then newly-elected Mayor Dave Bing planned to tear down 10,000 abandoned homes. But even that ambitious goal would only take care of one-ninth of the city's 90,000 abandoned properties, according to Data Driven Detroit.

The glut of empty homes have caused real estate values to plunge. In the past year alone, according to real estate site Trulia, the median price for a Detroit home has fallen by 22 percent to $55,353. In Chicago, its metropolitan neighbor to the west, the median home price is $185,000.

Governor Rick Snyder has been on a campaign to reinvent MIchigan since his election last year. "We cannot successfully transition to the 'New Michigan' if young, talented workers leave our state," Gov. Snyder recently said in response to the recent Census numbers. On Wednesday, he pinpointed international trade as the state's focus going forward.


Translation: We want to get these property tax liabilities off our books asap.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 25, 2011, 04:18:08 PM
Also another creepy photos collection:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/detroit-decline_n_813696.html#218521

Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on March 29, 2011, 04:11:53 PM
It takes a nation of millions to hold them back:

QuoteDetroit School Board remains defiant
DPS officials stripped of their authority say they'll stay involved
Francis X. Donnelly / The Detroit News
Detroit— The Detroit School Board may have lost its power but it still has inalienable rights.

The board is still free to say what it wants, a member said Monday. It still is free to assemble, said another. It still is free to advocate for residents' rights, said a third.

The board members were reacting to a state measure adopted earlier this month that expanded the power of the board's nemesis, Emergency Manager Robert Bobb.

"Legal authority doesn't give moral authority," said board President Anthony Adams. "No one man or person can do it all by himself."

The board met privately with Bobb and his attorneys Monday to discuss the legal ramifications of the state measure, which was signed by Gov. Rick Snyder on March 16.

The board then discussed its feelings during the public portion of the meeting.

Board attorney George Washington said Bobb and state officials were unhappy when a Wayne Circuit judge ruled in December that Bobb overstepped his authority by taking over academic control of the schools. So the state measure was adopted this month to circumvent the judge's ruling, said Washington.

"What we have is a dictator now," he said.

Bobb said Friday that he will continue working with the board and unions.

But board members were unmoved by such assurances.

Member Elena Herrada said City Council members should watch out because they might be next.

"They can't take away our right to assemble," she said. "They will have to carry us away."

Resident John Hernandez told the board he supported it but his words must have stung the suddenly toothless body.

"Snyder is making puppets of you," he said. "When he does that to you, it makes puppets of us."

"It's meaningless for you to be here when Bobb makes all the decisions."

Board member Reverend David Murray decried what he called "devils in high places."

The school board meetings did resemble a Punch and Judy show, so it's only fitting the Snyder made puppets of them.  In any event I look forward to the glorious thousand year reign of the new Detroit Public School dictator, Robert Bobb.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 29, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
Large tracks of green spaces. Won't that just become a shanty town or open air drug market?
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Post by: Savonarola on March 29, 2011, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 29, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
Large tracks of green spaces. Won't that just become a shanty town or open air drug market?

A hundred homes is peanuts in Detroit; Bing plans to demolish 40,000.  There's no reason to build a shanty town on abandoned land or open air drug markets; there's plenty of abandoned houses and buildings to squat in or turn into a drug house if you so desire.  The more likely scenario is that they'll be used as illegal dumps.
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Post by: Caliga on March 29, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
So Sav, are you ever planning on leaving Detroit?
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Post by: Savonarola on March 30, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 29, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
So Sav, are you ever planning on leaving Detroit?

Not me, I like Detroit.   :)
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Post by: Caliga on March 30, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
Well, I guess it's the place to be if you're into urban exploration. :punk:
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Post by: Malthus on March 30, 2011, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 30, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
Well, I guess it's the place to be if you're into urban exploration. :punk:

Who knows, you might be lucky enough to find the frozen corpse of a street person.
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Post by: Caliga on March 30, 2011, 09:30:43 AM
If that happened to me, I'd just push the body underneath the nearest pile of used hypodermic needles and hope nobody noticed. :)
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Post by: Savonarola on March 31, 2011, 08:31:21 AM
:bleeding:

QuoteMinn. college kids hit the road to save Detroit
Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News
Detroit —It's 700 miles to Detroit. They have a full tank of gas, munchies and a plan to save a city most of them have never seen.

Five community college students plan to hit the highway from Bloomington, Minn., this morning in hopes of presenting Mayor Dave Bing with their strategy for turning around Detroit. It's a plan they've crafted this semester in their city politics class, studying Bing's Detroit Works Project to reshape the city by enticing residents to concentrate in viable neighborhoods.

"We said, 'Why are we talking about this and why aren't we taking action?'" said Marcus Page, 20, of St. Paul, Minn., a student at Normandale Community College who contacted The Detroit News this week seeking help reaching local leaders.

"The city was booming when my grandmother was a teenager and look at it now. I'd like to see it booming again. Cities all over are going to happen like this. We have to stick together."

The nontraditional road trip illustrates how Detroit has become a laboratory for urban reformers, with national groups pitching ideas to rescue the city whose population plunged 25 percent to about 714,000 since the 2000 census. The American Assembly public policy forum is coming to the Westin Book Cadillac on April 14-17 to discuss proposals.

Page and his peers think they have the answer: Rebuild from the core.

One key element of their plan is dramatically boosting the size of Wayne State University, making Detroit known as an education epicenter and turning Midtown into "the beating heart of the city," Page said.

It would be modeled after Dinkytown, a funky Minneapolis neighborhood of bars and streetcars near the University of Minnesota's Twin Cities campus.

The Detroit Police Department has committed to giving the students a tour, said their professor, Kurt Burch. That news helped persuade the last student's mother into giving permission for the trip — although the group had to agree to stay at a hotel in Farmington Hills.

"My parents were kind of iffy about staying in Detroit," said Page, who is alone among his classmates in having previously visited Detroit.

Bing spokeswoman Karen Dumas said her office will connect with the students, but didn't say whether they'll get an audience with the mayor.

Burch said studying the city has engaged his students unlike other lessons that weren't so "real world." He said the city's problems became "more puzzling and overwhelming" as they did research.

"A bit of this is, 'Let's go visit the moon,'" Burch said. "Is it really that different?"


I tried to give money to Wayne State this January, and they turned me down.   :(  Usually I'd compliment them on their high standards, but they did award me a degree.  :unsure:
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Post by: Slargos on March 31, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
Oh lord, mr ford, I just wish that you could see
what your simple horse-less carriage has become.  :(
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Post by: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
QuoteHighland Park schools' $400K: Where did it go?
District can't find evidence radio ads were even created

BY JOE SWICKARD
DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER Filed Under
It was an unusual business relationship: no contract, no school board approval and no apparent oversight of how the money was spent.

Yet under that setup, the distressed Highland Park Public Schools wrote nearly $400,000 in checks from 2007 through last year to a company that was supposed to oversee a radio campaign aimed at attracting students to the struggling district.

Now the district's attorney and other officials wonder what they got for their money.

The firm, called Zenoco, was headquartered in Ray Township, 32 miles from foundering Highland Park, and operated out of a streamside Mediterranean-style home accented by ornate lamps and statuary behind a brick gate.

Records reviewed by the Free Press show that former school board President Robert Davis recommended Zenoco for the business, which was handled outside of normal contracting and review processes.

George Butler III, the district's lawyer, said school officials can now find no evidence that Zenoco developed the ad campaign as promised, and the district has run into dead ends trying to find out what ads were bought, and where and when they allegedly aired.

"We can't get answers," Butler said. He's urging a criminal investigation by the state attorney general. The FBI has jumped in, recently raiding Davis' home in search of financial records and information about Zenoco and its owner, David Vettese, court records show.

Zenoco representatives did not respond to repeated request for comment from the Free Press.

School board member Debra Humphrey has sued Davis and, as part of the legal action, has probed his relationship with Zenoco looking for improprieties.

Details prove hard to find in Highland Park district's radio ad deal
For Highland Park Public Schools in 2007, each student was more than an eager learner -- every kid was another $7,000 in per-pupil state funding.

With enrollment and the state aid money tied to it falling, the shrinking district set out to recruit new students through a promotional radio advertising campaign.

Or so it seemed.

Four years later, the threadbare district has seen its enrollment nosedive to 1,258 -- a drop of more than 50% after an upward bump in 2008 -- and the district is unsure what it got for the $387,000 paid to Zenoco, a Macomb County start-up company that was supposed to oversee the promotional campaign, yet had no apparent media-buying experience.

Beyond its own canceled checks and sketchy invoices from Zenoco, the district has little to show for its outlay. One order was even questioned by a school staffer who wrote, "Who is this company?" on the invoice.

Who indeed, officials wonder, because of the extraordinary relationship the district had with the company, as revealed through court documents and other records. Those show:

• Zenoco had no formal contract during its four-year run with Highland Park schools. And its services were never formally approved by the school board.

• There are no documents showing exactly what ads were purchased, on which stations or when they aired.

• No Zenoco company checks, which the Free Press reviewed, were written to any radio or broadcast companies. And school district payments into the company's account were routinely withdrawn after a few days.

• Zenoco President David Vettese filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy in 2008, listing the company's value at $1 for the name and $1,000 in its account. However, according to court records, in 2008 alone, Zenoco's account got $122,000 from the Highland Park schools and had more than $119,000 in withdrawals.


Legal efforts
Vettese and past school board president Robert Davis asserted their Fifth Amendment right in questioning for a civil lawsuit brought by a current board member.

The board member, Debra Humphrey -- who counter-sued Davis when he sued to overturn her election -- contends in court filings that the Zenoco dealings were a sham to shuffle school money to Davis.

Zenoco is a "shell company ... for the purpose of receiving thousands of dollars from the Highland Park School District ... he was not entitled to receive," according to her filings.

School board attorney George Butler III is frustrated by the dead ends and says it's time for a law enforcement agency with the legal muscle to go after the answers. Other school board members also have expressed concern and dismay at the lack of documentation or accountability.

Meanwhile, federal agents raided Davis' home last month looking for financial documents and information about Zenoco and Vettese. U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade declined to discuss any matters related to Highland Park.

Davis, an American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees staffer and political enthusiast, declined to speak directly with the Free Press about Zenoco. And Vettese could not be reached by phone or in person at his home or listed businesses, nor through his listed attorneys, registered mail or e-mail.

A chance meeting
As told through Davis' lawyer, Carl Marlinga, fate brought the school district and Zenoco together in 2007 in a private suite at a Pistons game: The district was looking for a promoter, and Vettese was scouting prospects for his new business.

Highland Park's enrollment was rapidly declining in 2007, and Superintendent Arthur Carter wanted to stop the bleeding, Marlinga said.

"It was a matter of happenstance," Marlinga said. Davis passed along Vettese's name to Carter, "and beyond this, he really doesn't have much of a history with this company or the Vetteses," Marlinga said.

"At the time, they seemed on the up and up and very effective," Marlinga said.

In a deposition taken as part of the litigation with Humphrey, Davis invoked the Fifth Amendment when questioned about Vettese and Zenoco.

Carter, in his deposition as part of the Humphrey suit, said that the Highland Park-Zenoco relations started with Davis' recommendation "that this was a reliable firm."

Citing frail health, Carter declined to be interviewed by the Free Press and authorized his lawyer, Richard Convertino, to speak on his behalf.

"Dr. Carter had faith and trust in Robert Davis," Convertino said. "There was no reason to doubt the record of Robert Davis."

According to Convertino, Carter was swamped with cascading crises at the district and Zenoco, like other less pressing affairs, was delegated to others. Now, he said, it appears that "some people clearly did not have the good of the school district on the forefront of their minds."

Money patterns emerge
The Palace suite hookup turned out to be a boon for Zenoco. Vettese of Macomb Township started the company in January 2007, set up an account at a TCF Bank and listed his father's Ray Township home as the company's address.

Zenoco deposited its first check from Highland Park in July 2007, records show. The sketchy school records described the $92,000 as being for media consulting. Three days later, bank records show, $82,000 was withdrawn from the Zenoco account.

This was the start of a pattern, according to the bank records that were part of the Humphrey lawsuit: Deposits of checks from the Highland Park district went into Zenoco's account, typically followed in a matter of days by matching, or nearly matching, cash withdrawals.

In all, $152,000 went into the account from the school district in 2007. And withdrawals -- differentiated in bank statements from checks and transfers -- were at least $170,000.

The bank records in the court file show a distinction between Zenoco and Vettese's other interests, but no Zenoco checks were shown to have been written on the account to any radio station or broadcast company. Thousands, however, went to David Vettese and Vince and Kelly Vettese. Thousands also went to a V&V Investments, plus other money to real estate companies and restaurant suppliers.

The school district's records for 2007 show the money being designated for media buys, a school attendance count day performance and other advertising and promotions.

As for V&V Investment, in August 2007, David Vettese set up the company with plans to open a Big Apple Bagel shop in Rochester Hills. Again, it was family-based and Vince Vettese, a brother, was listed as a vice president with the Rochester Regional Chamber of Commerce.

The bagel venture failed, and Vince and Kelly Vettese filed for bankruptcy in 2008.

As for Zenoco, Highland Park school officials said they have been unable to find a contract or board authorization to cover the Zenoco dealings.

Superintendent Carter was hazy about the Zenoco arrangement in his deposition taken in the Humphrey suit.

"Well, I don't know if I would use the word 'contract,' " he told Humphrey's lawyers Ben Gonek and Peggy Madden.

Butler said a search of school records and board minutes yielded no contracts or authorizations for a campaign.

He said that Carter "did bring a request for radio advertising, but it was $25,000 or $30,000, and it was quite late in terms of what we are looking at."

Vague invoices
Zenoco's invoices were thin on details. Most had general information that the buys would be on urban audience-oriented radio stations run by Clear Channel Radio and Radio One. More than one invoice had incorrect or out-of-date station call letters.

Missing was any breakdown of how much each ad cost, and where and when it was played.

Humphrey and a few other school personnel recall hearing some radio ads and interviews with Carter. But Humphrey said she doesn't recall a concerted on-air campaign.

Butler said he was stonewalled by the radio companies and Zenoco in pinning down specific information: "We asked the company and the stations. None of them responded with any information."

Radio One officials did not respond to calls and e-mails from the Free Press.

John Ballard, a vice president and director of sales for Clear Channel in Detroit, said he could not find any record of Highland Park ads: "So, I'm not sure where the advertising or the campaign would have went to, but it did not go through Clear Channel Radio Detroit."

When asked to double-check the dates, he deferred to corporate headquarters. Wendy Goldberg, executive vice president for marketing and communications, then said its policy doesn't allow discussion of ad sales.

Media buying experts said the district should have access to ads purchased and other details.

"This should be relatively easy information to obtain," said Michael Bernacchi, a marketing professor at the University of Detroit Mercy. "Transparency is the verbiage of the marketplace these days.

He added, "$400,000 or so is a significant amount for a district like Highland Park. This is something that deserves specific data in much greater detail."

Highland Park is one of two cities completely surrounded by Detroit (Hamtramck, the Eastern European immigrant ghetto, is the other.)  At the beginning of the 20th Century it was on the outskirts of the city of Detroit.  Henry Ford built the first Model Ts there, later it was the headquarters of Chrysler; today it's not doing so well.  My brother once worked at the Detroit Science Center; the caterer for the center's cafeteria grew up in Highland Park.  One day a childhood friend of the caterer was in the Science Center and the two men reminisced about high school.  My brother said that everyone they had known from high school was either dead from a drug overdose or doing hard time in Jackson State Penitentary.
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Post by: KRonn on April 07, 2011, 08:37:36 AM
More money scamming in Detroit? No way!  That has to be especially infuriating, for those few left paying taxes in economically distressed Detroit.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 08:42:09 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 07, 2011, 08:37:36 AM
More money scamming in Detroit? No way!  That has to be especially infuriating, for those few left paying taxes in economically distressed Detroit.

Schools are funded by the state; so they're scamming everyone in economically distressed Michigan.

 
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Post by: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Hamtramck
How in the hell do you pronounce that word?  :huh:
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Post by: Maximus on April 07, 2011, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Hamtramck
How in the hell do you pronounce that word?  :huh:
It sounds like something from a fantasy novel, complete with the city-within-a-city theme.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 07, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Hamtramck
How in the hell do you pronounce that word?  :huh:

Ham-tram-ik

It's named after Jean Francois Hamtramck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Francois_Hamtramck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Francois_Hamtramck)
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Post by: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Hm, so a city within a city housing "Eastern European" types?  :hmm:

Ich approven. :menace:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 08, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
Don't mess with a Warlock:

QuoteSheen torpedoed show, not Detroit
Actor's wonky tour debut invited horrible response
Susan Whitall / The Detroit News
Poor old Detroit. For years we've endured the jibes of comedians, we suffer through the Detroit Lions, and now, as the Charlie Sheen circus rolls across the country, we get to hear about audiences in neighboring Rustbelt cities yelling "F--- Detroit!" or "Detroit sucks!" before the aging Hollywood pretty boy even takes the stage.

In the afterglow of the Super Bowl Chrysler/Eminem commercial, it appeared that Detroit-bashing was being replaced by testaments to our grit and endurance. Then came Sheen, riding a wave of tabloid publicity after his winter-long, post-rehab meltdown and firing from his hit CBS show "Two and a Half Men."

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Sheen was the one who put on a rambling, ill-conceived show in Detroit last Saturday, let hecklers distract him and ultimately derail the performance, leading to deservedly horrendous reviews of his "Violent Torpedo of Truth."

But who's to blame? Oh, right ... Detroit.

At least journalists are a little harder to manipulate than Sheen's post-Detroit audiences. In Chicago on Sunday night, the show started with a chant of "Detroit sucks." Then Sheen advised the Windy City audience, "Let's show Detroit how it's (expletive) done."

"Charlie: the problem ain't Detroit," tweeted Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times from his seat in the Chicago Theater.

In his full-length review, Roeper wrote: "That almost nobody walked out is either a testament to the patience of Chicago audiences or the fact that folks figured they'd already paid, so why not stick around to see if anything interesting will happen?"

In Cleveland, the audience also warmed up with a chant of "Detroit sucks." By the time Sheen's sideshow got to Columbus on Wednesday night, the Detroit-bashing had lost some of its zing. There were no chants, but according to Columbus air personality Misty Jordan of Power 107.5, when a fellow wearing a "Detroit" jacket walked to the front of the theater, the crowd booed him.

The actor's complaints about the mean Detroit audience resonated with some. Comedian Chris Rock commented on "Good Morning America" that he felt for Sheen, that he, too, had been booed in Detroit.

The Twitter account of "Sue Sylvester," the character Jane Lynch portrays on "Glee," even got into the act. "Don't worry @charliesheen, I got booed in Detroit, too," she tweeted. "Did you refer to them as 'the ugliest city in Southern Canada'? They hate that."

It was a particularly low blow when, in a tweet, Sheen dubbed Chicago "the new Rock City," co-opting our nickname, "Detroit Rock City."

Is that all you got, Charlie? What made Detroit rock audiences famous wasn't that they cheered anything. It was that they were tough critics, but very loyal once they loved you.

As music business attorney Bob Lefsetz noted in his weekly "Lefsetz Letter" online, it was a mistake to premier the show in Detroit. Gail Parenteau, who worked as a promoter in Detroit in the '70s and '80s, agrees. "He should have gone to Sausalito," Parenteau says. "Charlie, some people learn to swim in a pool. Starting a tour in Detroit is like learning to swim by being thrown in the rapids."

Meanwhile, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing won't rise to the bait of the Detroit-bashing from Sheen or his audience.

"Charlie Sheen is not on the mayor's mind or agenda," said the mayor's spokeswoman Karen Dumas. "Given the inquiries about (Sheen's) Detroit comments, we can only assume that this is yet another publicity-generating tactic, which unfortunately seems to be working."

As if our post-April Fool's Day experience wasn't enough, Sheen producer Joey Scoleri hinted that a makeup date in Detroit might be on Sheen's agenda. There are some who would welcome that.

Dave LaVoie of Wyandotte was at the Fox Theatre last Saturday for the Sheen throwdown, and he'd go back for more.

"If he would offer the ticketholders reduced entry, I would definitely go back," LaVoie said. "The whole atmosphere outside, there was a lot of fun going on. I was a little disappointed with the heckling. I did think we could have treated him better. But I was disappointed that he stormed out."

Asked if Sheen and Detroit would have a rematch, the actor's cryptic publicist Larry Solters would only say, "Rumors abound."

"The ugliest city in Southern Canada?"  Is that actually supposed to be insulting? :unsure:
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Post by: Berkut on April 08, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 08, 2011, 01:21:43 PM


"The ugliest city in Southern Canada?"  Is that actually supposed to be insulting? :unsure:


The insult was aimed at Canada, not Detroit.

So yeah...
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Post by: Savonarola on April 08, 2011, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 08, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 08, 2011, 01:21:43 PM


"The ugliest city in Southern Canada?"  Is that actually supposed to be insulting? :unsure:


The insult was aimed at Canada, not Detroit.

So yeah...

Oh, that makes more sense.

Calling Detroit "The ugliest city in Ohio" would be more insulting to us given our long standing rivalry with Brutus Buckeye and Ohio, unlike southern Canada, has some genuine contenders in the ugliest city category.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 11, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;


And now for minds which are neither innocent nor quiet:

QuoteMonica Conyers asks to serve remainder of her sentence at home
Robert Snell / The Detroit News
Detroit— Former City Council President Monica Conyers wants out of "Camp Cupcake."

The imprisoned wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, has asked a federal judge to modify her 37-month prison sentence for bribery and let her serve time at home, according to a three-page handwritten letter filed today in U.S. District Court in Detroit.

     In arguing for reconsideration, Conyers, 46, said a federal judge failed to consider her age, education, work skills, employment record, family ties and "likihood (sic)" she would commit another crime. Plus, her son's babysitter is returning to school soon, Conyers wrote in the letter to U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn.

Her bid is a long shot considering Conyers has filed an appeal, which is pending before the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said Peter Henning, a law professor at Wayne State University and former federal prosecutor.

"You can ask," Henning said. "Barring extraordinary circumstances, I doubt he would reconsider."

The request comes seven months after Conyers reported to a federal women's prison camp in Alderson, W.Va. Dubbed "Camp Cupcake," the prison camp offers plenty of perks, including washers, dryers, microwave ovens, hair dryers, curling irons and cosmetology areas where inmate-to-inmate pedicures and manicures are allowed.

In a letter, Conyers said the court could, as an alternative, sentence her to home confinement, community confinement or intermittent confinement to "correct the blatent (sic) sentencing disparities."

Conyers is serving the sentence after pleading guilty to accepting at least $6,000 for her deciding vote in the 2007 Synagro Technologies Inc. sludge contract.

After her sentence, Conyers tried to withdraw her guilty plea and appealed.

She complained that she pleaded guilty because she was unable to resist pressure from her lawyer, the government and the news media, according to an appeal brief.

Despite graduating from law school — she bragged about being the only council member with a law degree — and marrying Conyers, who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, she was inexperienced with the criminal justice system, according to her appeal.

In a letter to The Detroit News this year, Conyers complained that Camp Cupcake doesn't live up to its cushy nickname, provides no second servings of food to inmates and has few education opportunities.

Her lawyer during the case, Steve Fishman, could not be reached for comment immediately today. Her appeal lawyer, Douglas Mullkoff, also could not be reached today.

So... couldn't John find another baby sitter?  :unsure:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 11, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
Our beauty pageant winner can beat up your beauty pageant winner:

QuoteMichigan's Miss USA goes from beauty queen to smackdown queen on new wrestling show
1:10 AM, Apr. 10, 2011  |  99Comments
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DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER Filed Under
She's an F-bomb throwing, hot-tub bopping, body-slamming, drink-tossing party girl competing to become a professional wrestler on a reality TV show that debuted last week.

"Yeah, I'm a beauty queen, but I'm (expletive) tough," said Dearborn's Rima Fakih, the reigning Miss USA, as she looked into the camera in the first episode of "WWE Tough Enough," a series that airs 8 p.m. Mondays on the USA Network.

Fakih started her reign as the first Arab-American Miss USA with controversy, after photos of her in a pole-dancing contest surfaced. And she seems destined to end her reign on June 19 in the same manner, raising eyebrows and destroying stereotypes of beauty queens and Muslim women.

After watching the show's first episode, Fakih told the Free Press that she was "embarrassed" about using "inappropriate language," but she is "only human."

"I don't want younger girls to think it's OK to say bad words," Fakih said.

"But I do want younger girls to know you have to stand up for yourself."

Miss USA Rima Fakih keeps crushing stereotypes with latest role as wrestler
Once upon a time, beauty queens were prim and proper, decked out in elegant gowns and sparkling tiaras, using their position to promote such causes as world peace, and, like, saving the dolphins.

Then along came Dearborn's Rima Fakih, the reigning Miss USA.

"You big, stupid mother (expletive)!" she shouted, in the first episode of "WWE Tough Enough," a reality TV show on the USA Network. "Get the (expletive) out of my face. I'm gonna (expletive) kill you."

Fakih was having a heated argument with Mickael Zaki, one of the cast members, who was shown throwing pillows at her. She responded by screaming and dousing him with water.

"You know what?" Fakih said, full of anger, pointing her finger and cocking her head. "I will get you one day, (expletive). I will get you. Just believe me."

The camera cut to an interview with Zaki.

"Rima was definitely acting like Miss Ghetto USA," Zaki said in the episode. "Whatever she gets her hands on, she will (expletive) throw at you. You better make sure there is no liquid around. No forks. No knives. No ninja stars. No newborn babies."

In a huff of anger, Fakih dramatically left the room, snapped her fingers and proclaimed: "Miss USA is out."

Do not get on her bad side
Paula Shugart, president of the Miss Universe Organization, which includes Miss USA, gave Fakih permission to take an unprecedented break from her Miss USA responsibilities to participate in the show because she said it was a good opportunity for Fakih, who wants to get into television and acting.

"The one thing I know about Rima is, she won't be put in a box," Shugart said. "She might be put into a wrestling ring, but she won't be put in a box. She has broken every single stereotype."

The series began with 12 men and women living in a house in Simi Valley, Calif., competing for a contract with WWE, formerly known as World Wrestling Entertainment. Former professional wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin decides who will stay or get kicked off the show. The series is scheduled to air for 10 weeks.

Fakih survived the first episode but she wouldn't say how long she lasted in the series. She did hint that she will take even more abuse.

Producers warned her that she would play the part of an underdog.

"I didn't realize that I would be the only one with absolutely no wrestling experience," she said. "In the house, the more that I kicked somebody's butt in some challenge, the more they would hate and hate and hate."

After watching the first episode, Fakih told the Free Press that she was embarrassed by her language.

"I didn't mean to sound like a truck driver, as they say," Fakih said. "My mother called me after the show and she said, 'I'm proud of you, but you curse a lot in this show.' "

Fakih, 25, said the first episode told only part of the story. It didn't show how she was provoked until she "snapped."

"I won't share with you the guy's comments, the things that were said to me," Fakih said. "I took it. I took it, and I responded. He didn't throw one pillow. He threw more than that. At my face. ... I had attacks, insults thrown at me. My mother was brought into it. The fact that I'm Muslim and Arab was brought into it. I took a lot of attacks."

Shugart said she was surprised to hear Fakih's language.

"Oh my goodness, Rima," Shugart said. "I've dealt with Rima for the better part of a year, and I've never heard her curse."

How a wrestling star was born
Fakih didn't train for the wrestling and said the experience was physically draining.

"I can tell you one thing," Fakih said, "in the ring, I tried to hide my pain. ... I've never had a C-section, but I'm pretty sure that's what it would feel like."

She pushed through the pain by taking Motrin, getting iced down and soaking in a hot tub.

"I loved the experience," Fakih said. "It made me feel, to be honest with you, like I can accomplish anything."

The show wrapped up shooting in California in March.

"Rima came back purple," Shugart said. "We had to go buy bulk body makeup to try covering up her legs for events."

Different sides of the same person
Shugart said the reality series does not show a complete picture of Fakih.

"What I love about Rima is, this entire first year has been about growth," Shugart said. "If somebody says she can't do something, she says, 'OK, I'll show you.' "

Shugart sent the Free Press an e-mail with a link to a video of Fakih's Feb. 5 speech at the centennial celebration for President Ronald Reagan in Simi Valley.

"If you look at this speech at the Reagan centennial, which was completely from her heart ... then, look at the woman on the show on Monday night, and you say, 'Wait a minute, that's not the same person,' " Shugart said. "But it is. It's all a different facet of Rima."

In the speech, Fakih said that being crowned Miss USA was the proudest moment of her life. "But being here now, celebrating the 100th birthday of former President Ronald Reagan, matches the pride and honor I felt that night," she said.

"The fact that I'm the first Muslim and the first immigrant to be crowned Miss USA speaks volumes to the fact that anything is possible in this country."

Backlash and praise
As she breaks stereotypes, Fakih acknowledges that she has faced harsh criticism.

"To my face? Never," she said. But she added that she has experienced backlash from some.

"I had certain people who were religious thinking that I was giving Muslims a bad name," she said. "But I had a lot of supporters, even when I traveled to the Middle East. People would pat me on my back and say, 'Congratulations.' "

Sally Howell, an associate professor at the University of Michigan-Dearborn who studies Arab culture, said that it was "refreshing" to learn about Fakih's appearance on the wrestling show because it breaks so many stereotypes about Muslim women.

"There are people on the right who are trying to paint it as Dearborn-istan, this place where Muslims are living in lockstep," Howell said. "Here is this very ordinary American woman, who comes from Dearborn, who comes from the Arab community, and it clearly shows that Dearborn is more diverse. There isn't one Arab community; there are many different ones."

Kathryn Casa, communications director for the Dearborn-based Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services, said that no one from the organization had heard about Fakih's role on the wrestling show.

When it was explained, Casa said, "The thing about the Arab community is it's not monolithic. There are people that would be disturbed by that. And some who wouldn't be. It's not like they are one mind. It's a pretty varied group of people."

Fakih's reign will end June 19 when she crowns the next Miss USA. She hasn't decided on her future, but she has several offers on the table, including preliminary talk of doing a TV show based in Dearborn.

As for a future in wrestling, Fakih can't say how she did in the show.

"I have been told by the producers her story line is very compelling," Shugart said. "She was definitely the least prepared."

Kick their asses, Rima!
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Post by: Savonarola on April 11, 2011, 02:30:45 PM
One torpedo of truth deserves another:

QuoteMaher calls for war on Wall St.
Apr 11, 2011 

It looks like the Detroit audience that booed Charlie Sheen's "My Violent Torpedo of Truth" tour opening bomb at the Fox Theatre on April 2 landed a direct hit on Bill Maher's radar.

During Friday's "New Rules" closing segment on his HBO series "Real Time," Maher urged working-class U.S. citizens to begin "a class war" on Wall Street.

"Americans need to have a Detroit moment where they realize they're pooling their money and wasting it on the richest guy in the room," Maher said.

Maher continued the comparison of blue-collar Detroiters getting screwed out of their money by the entitled Sheen during his "self-pity tour" with taxpaying Americans being taken advantage of by "too big to fail" bailout-money-gifted corporations.

"And if you think a guy living large, and rubbing your nose in it that you're not, is funny, here's one you'll really love: You have to pay your taxes next week, and General Electric doesn't."

Maher wondered aloud why people aren't raging mad at GE, which he called "America's largest corporation," when it won't have to pay taxes on its $14 billion in profits.

The comedian and social commentator, who is to play the Michigan Theatre in Ann Arbor on Saturday, ended his Sheen analogy by suggesting the U.S. economy jack one of the warlock's most infamous comments from the flop at the Fox: "I've already got your money, dude."

In the workers paradise there will be no Charlie Sheen.  WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
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Post by: garbon on April 11, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Saw this on facebook:
"learned today that of the 11 people isolated with vancomycin resistant staph in the ENTIRE WORLD, 9 were in detroit"
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 12, 2011, 04:59:26 PM



Quote



Detroit Faces State Takeover If Unable To Cut Spending By $200M

Detroit Spending

Detroit must cut $200 million in spending or face a takeover by the state of Michigan, Mayor Dave Bing said on Tuesday.

With the city's population dropping to a 100-year low, while its budget deficit is projected to climb to $1.2 billion by fiscal 2015, Bing outlined a plan to the city council to balance Detroit's finances over five years.

That plan includes cuts in personnel costs, a one-year suspension of a payment to employee pensions, and a temporary gambling tax increase.

"If we are unable or unwilling to make these changes, an emergency financial manager will be appointed by the state to make them for us. It's that simple," Bing said in his budget address.

In March, Governor Rick Snyder signed into law a bill that bulks up the state's ability to intervene in fiscally troubled local governments and appoint someone to oversee them. The new law also gives state-appointed financial managers the power to modify or end collective bargaining agreements with public sector workers -- a move that sparked pro-union demonstrations in the state capitol earlier this year.

Bing, who pegged the current deficit at $155 million, said the city council, unions and the pension boards had to work together to turn around Detroit's finances. Otherwise, he said, the state will step in and "existing contracts will be voided, legislative powers will be stripped and decisions will be made without the input of elected officials or residents."

That reality was not lost on members of the city council.

"I want to make sure we're not the group that's the answer to the trivia question -- Who was in charge of the city of Detroit when the emergency financial manager came in and took over?" said Council Member James Tate.

Detroit's shaky finances are a major concern in the $2.9 trillion municipal bond market, where the city's bonds are rated in the junk category. Detroit was also cited in a recent Reuters poll as a potential candidate for rarely used municipal bankruptcy.

The mayor's proposed fiscal 2012 $3.11 billion all-funds budget includes nearly $1.22 billion of general fund spending, according to budget documents.

Some of Bing's budget-balancing proposals depend on getting bills passed through the Republican-controlled Michigan Legislature. They include the higher tax on Detroit casinos, pension reforms, the suspension of state driver licenses for three unpaid Detroit parking tickets and the continuation of the city's ability to collect income and utility taxes.

Detroit's population under current state law must be at least 750,000 to collect the taxes, which generated $265 million last year, Bing said.

U.S. Census figures released last month showed Detroit's population fell to 713,777 in 2010 from 951,270 in 2000, as the region suffered from a struggling automotive industry, plant closures and job losses.

Bing said while he believes the final census count will be revised upward, the city must deal with the reality of a shrinking population base and the loss of state and federal funding.

State revenue sharing has already been dropping and Detroit expects to receive less than half of the $332 million it got in 2002, according to Bing, who added that talks with the legislature and governor were ongoing.

But Council Member Saunteel Jenkins said she will be pushing for revenue alternatives in case Michigan lawmakers don't pass needed legislation.

Detroit, which sold nearly $250 million of deficit financing bonds last year, begins fiscal 2012 on July 1.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/detroit-state-takeover-spending_n_848230.html


How much money would you loan to Saunteel Jenkins?
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Post by: Tonitrus on April 12, 2011, 09:13:53 PM
$37 million dollars.   

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:P
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Post by: Savonarola on April 14, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
Best of luck to Detroit's upcoming financial manager:

QuoteCan Mayor Dave Bing save Detroit from a state takeover?

He said he's up for the fight, but he needs help from regional leaders, the business community, the governor and the Legislature.

Most of all, he said, he needs Detroit's 48 employee unions to agree to come back to the negotiation table, knowing full well they'll be asked to leave more there in the form of concessions.

That's a hard sell, said Michael Whitty, a University of Detroit-Mercy adjunct business professor who specializes in labor relations.

"There does come a point where enough is enough, and maybe the mayor is pressing his luck here," Whitty said.

"If there is ever a time for Detroit workers to draw a line in the sand, this is it."

Bing is convinced that the only other alternative is a state-appointed emergency financial manager.

"You know you're going to have a fight with the unions -- there's no way around that," he told the Free Press editorial board Wednesday.

"They're already gearing up for it. It's unfortunate that we have to constantly go back (to them), but that's where the costs are."

In Michigan emergency financial managers have the power to void union contracts (a law that was brought about by the many grievances and lawsuits filed by the various unions that serve the Detroit Public Schools over the current DPS emergency financial manager) so it's in the best interest of the unions not to have an emergency financial manager for the city.   
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 18, 2011, 12:52:33 PM
Fire everybody!!




Quote from: WSJ
Detroit Moves Against Unions
Mayor and Schools Chief Leverage State Law to Force Change, Close Budget Gaps


By MATTHEW DOLAN

DETROIT—A new state law has emboldened the Detroit mayor and schools chief to take a more aggressive stance toward public unions as the city leaders try to mop up hundreds of millions of dollars in red ink.

Robert Bobb, the head of the Detroit Public Schools, late last week sent layoff notices to the district's 5,466 salaried employees, including all of its teachers, a preliminary step in seeking broad work-force cuts to deal with lower enrollment.

Earlier last week, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing presented a $3.1 billion annual budget to City Council in which he proposed higher casino taxes and substantial cuts in city workers' health care and pensions to close an estimated $200 million budget gap.

Mr. Bobb, already an emergency financial manager for the struggling and shrinking public school system, is getting further authority under a measure signed into law March 17 that broadens state powers to intervene in the finances and governance of struggling municipalities and school districts. This could enable Mr. Bobb to void union contracts, sideline elected school-board members, close schools and authorize charter schools

Mr. Bobb, appointed in 2009 by Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and retained by Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, pledged last week to use those powers to deal decisively with the district's $327 million shortfall and its educational deficiencies. Mr. Bobb raised the possibility of making unilateral changes to the collective-bargaining agreements signed with teachers less than two years ago.

He is also expected to target seniority rights that protect longtime teachers from layoffs and give them the ability to reject certain school placements.

The Detroit Federation of Teachers will likely fight him on these issues. The union couldn't be reached for comment.

Mr. Bing, a Democrat, doesn't have additional authority to break union contracts and circumvent City Council, but under the new law Mr. Snyder could invest this authority in municipal chief executives such as the mayor of Detroit. That possibility, and the further threat of a state takeover, is giving Mr. Bing more clout to push for major changes.

Democrats and unions generally opposed the law bolstering power of state-appointed managers, calling it an infringement on collective-bargaining rights and violation of the principle of local elected rule. Republicans largely argue the law is the only way to keep the financially threatened city from collapse by forcing unions to scale back their costly wages and benefits amid declining revenues and escalating health-care and pension costs.

Mr. Bing spent the first two years of his term trying to restructure the city's finances to reflect its dwindling population, which fell 25% in the past 10 years, according to Census data. All along, the mayor has sought in his first two years in office to impress upon residents and workers the urgency of Detroit's fiscal crisis, while reassuring them that the restructuring would proceed methodically, with their input.

But in his public comments last week, the mayor signaled that he had little time left for negotiation. He pressed council members to act on his budget proposal or prepare for a fiscal collapse.

If municipal unions fail to agree to new terms, he warned, the city's budget gap would balloon to $1.2 billion by fiscal 2015, all but assuring the city would go into default and the state would take over.

"I'm not afraid of an emergency financial manager being named," Mr. Bing told a gathering of urban-affairs experts in Detroit last week. "Because what it does is right-sizes a lot of the obstacles you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis."

He added: "With a financial manager on the scene, he or she almost becomes God and can do whatever is necessary to bring financial stability back."

Labor representatives are already opposing the mayor's proposed cuts, and casino owners came out against the plan in a joint statement Friday, saying, "Detroit's gaming industry is already the highest taxed industry in the state."

Union representatives couldn't be reached for comment.

In the schools, meanwhile, Mr. Bobb last month identified nearly a third of the district's schools that could be closed or turned over to private charter operators. Seventy organizations showed up at a bidder's conference hosted by the district last week to review rules for becoming an authorized charter school. Bids are due May 2. The elected school board has no official role in approving the plan.

Detroit Federation of Teachers officials called the initiative a poor idea, in part because nine of the schools slated for conversion to charter designation or closure were recently given new dispensation to relax work rules and haven't had enough time to demonstrate their progress, they said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703702004576268770126239098.html?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy
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Post by: Savonarola on April 18, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
And what a week it's been for Michigan's emergency financial managers:

QuoteThings could get heated at Benton Harbor's commissioners meeting Monday night after Emergency Financial Manager Joseph Harris unexpectedly pulled the rug out from under city leaders this weekend.

Harris suspended all decision-making powers of local officials in accordance with the new state law enacted last month.

Now, city leaders only have the power to call meetings, adjourn them, and approve minutes.

A couple of commissioners support Harris, but others are up in arms. Dennis Knowles said, "It's really an insult. You're talking about piracy, the government has done it in the state of Michigan. The people have been extracted by way of not having a voice, and so now has the government."

There are no items on the agenda for Monday night's meeting, but some commissioners say they still expect it to be heated.

Benton Harbor is on Lake Michigan near the Indiana border.  It's an industrial town, the home town of Whirlpool, and has all the charm of Gary, Indiana but without the Jackson 5.

While there has been lamentation and weeping and great mourning throughout the blogosphere on this I'm glad that the emergency financial mangers at last have the ability to balance their charge's budget and are willing to use it.  I hope the city of Detroit gets the message and balances their budget before they suffer a similar fate.
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Post by: Scipio on April 19, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
There's nothing wrong with Benton Harbor that could not be solved with a good carpet bombing.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2011, 07:50:30 AM
Next time I'm at Miller's Bar in Dearborn I'll ask them how many lashes one gets for ordering a beer:

QuoteIn letter to Pastor Terry Jones, Dearborn mayor says city not ruled by Islamic law
Apr 21, 2011  |  108Comments

BY NIRAJ WARIKOO

DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER Filed Under

In an open letter Wednesday to Pastor Terry Jones, Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly Jr. blasted claims that his city is under Islamic law, noting it has three strip clubs and a factory that makes pork products sitting across the street from a mosque.

"None of that should be allowed under Shari'a law," O'Reilly wrote, referring to a set of Islamic rules and customs.

The impassioned letter was the city's latest attempt to convince the Quran-burning Christian pastor to stop his planned Friday protest outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. And it represents another effort by the city to counter attempts to label it as being under Islamic law because of its sizable Muslim population.

Across the U.S., a growing number of politicians, Christians and bloggers have been claiming that Shari'a dominates Dearborn. But O'Reilly wrote in his letter: "If Dearborn practiced Shari'a law, would we have three adult entertainment bars and more alcohol-licensed bars and restaurants per capita than most other cities?"

O'Reilly noted his city is home to Dearborn Sausage, which makes ham and is next to "the first mosque in Dearborn."

"No one has ever objected," he said.

Islamic law accusations set off legislative frenzy
From Newt Gingrich to Mike Huckabee to state legislators, a growing number of officials across the country are proclaiming that Dearborn and metro Detroit are under Shari'a law because of the sizable Muslim population. Urged on by an active network of conservative blogs and groups, they are filing lawsuits and legislation against what they perceive as a threat to the U.S.

It's all based on a lie, local officials say -- but one that continues to stick in some minds because of the growing power of social media. During the past few months, the drumbeat against Dearborn has grown louder as politicians and elected officials increasingly cite the city as an example of how radical Islam has infiltrated the U.S.

Several states are considering -- or have passed -- bills banning the use of Islamic law. Last year, Louisiana lawmakers passed an anti-Shari'a bill. In recent months, Texas legislators have cited Dearborn in considering a similar bill. Tennessee also is considering an anti-Shari'a bill. And this week, the Missouri House approved a bill that would ban Shari'a.

Last year, Oklahoma voters approved a ballot measure that would have banned Shari'a law, but a judge later ruled it unconstitutional.

Conservatives point to some cases where judges have cited Islamic law in making decisions. That includes a Florida case involving a dispute at a local mosque, where a judge ruled this year that to resolve one crucial issue in the case, he would consult Islamic law.

Activists also are taking legal action. Earlier this year, the Ann Arbor-based Thomas More Law Center filed a lawsuit against Dearborn, claiming that city officials were influenced by Shari'a when police arrested Christian missionaries last year at an Arab festival.

The fear that Shari'a law is creeping across the country is motivating Florida Pastor Terry Jones and his followers to plan a protest Friday outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

But city officials, Muslim Americans and others see the anti-Shari'a efforts as part of a campaign to whip up hysteria against Muslims and score political points. In Dearborn, officials worry that the power of social media has spread lies about the town that Henry Ford founded.

Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly Jr. frequently has appeared on national TV shows, such as MSNBC's "Hardball," in recent months, trying to deflect the notion that his city is under Shari'a.

On Wednesday, he reiterated that in an open letter to Jones, noting that Dearborn has three strip clubs and a factory that makes pork products across the street from a mosque.

"There is no Shari'a law in Dearborn, only constitutional law," O'Reilly said.

The definition of Shari'a varies greatly, but it generally refers to Islamic laws, rules or customs that might govern a person's life or society. It could range from personal habits to food to politics and business.

Some have concerns that Shari'a rules in Muslim countries could come to the U.S. But Muslim Americans say they should not be compared to how Muslims live in foreign countries.

They say they're facing the same accusations that American Catholics faced in the 19th and early 20th centuries when some Protestants feared their influx would lead to Vatican domination.

In Wednesday's letter, O'Reilly said, "Shari'a law is church or faith-based law that is applicable only to the followers of that faith."

He compared it to Canon Law in Catholicism or Torah Law in Judaism.

"It can't be carried out in America," he said in an interview with the Free Press. "No one is trying to do that. And we wouldn't let them if they would try."

Imam Radwan Mardini, head of the American Muslim Center in Dearborn, said Shari'a "is not an issue."

"There is no Shari'a implemented in the state of Michigan," Mardini said. "There is no basis for these allegations."

The idea that Dearborn is under Shari'a grew in popularity after an incident in June 2009 at the Arab International Festival in Dearborn, the largest Arab-American festival in Michigan. At the event, some Christian evangelists yelled at passersby "that they were going to hell because they were Muslim," according to a Dearborn police report.

But a video recorded by a Christian missionary group called Acts 17 Apologetics showed them being escorted out by security guards during the festival. It has now drawn more than 2 million views on YouTube, making it the most popular video on Dearborn.

Some Christians -- including a Marlette man who initially organized Friday's protest -- point to that video as proof that Dearborn is under Shari'a.

Last year at the Arab festival, the same missionaries were arrested on charges of disturbing the peace, leading to another uproar. They were later acquitted by a jury and filed a lawsuit against the city.

Their experiences have been used by conservatives to slam Dearborn. In July, Gingrich, the former House speaker, wrote:

"This is a clear case of freedom of speech and the exercise of religious freedom being sacrificed in deference to Shari'a's intolerance against the preaching of religions other than Islam."

Gingrich said the missionaries were handing out copies of Christian literature, which is "of course, forbidden by Shari'a's rules on proselytizing."

The mayor, responding to these months of criticism, said in an interview: "These people are trying to suggest that Shari'a has overridden civil law. That doesn't happen here. We won't let it happen."

There's a protest planned for tomorrow in Dearborn led by Terry Jones.  Some people want to stop them for fear of a riot; but if we stopped everything likely to cause a riot in Metro Detroit then the Tigers would be barred from the playoffs and the police would be barred from raiding blind pigs. 
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Post by: Ed Anger on April 21, 2011, 07:58:12 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 08, 2011, 01:42:53 PM
Ohio, unlike southern Canada, has some genuine contenders in the ugliest city category.

Damn Right.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 21, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
Oh what a circus:

QuoteTerry Jones refuses to pay bond; judge gathers jury to decide Dearborn rally bid
3:56 PM, Apr. 21, 2011  |  149Comments

BY NIRAJ WARIKOO

DETROIT FREE PRESS

Florida pastor Terry Jones will face a jury trial after a Dearborn judge sided with Wayne County prosecutors and Dearborn police who were trying to make him pay a bond in order to rally in Dearborn.


Judge Mark Somers gave Jones a choice: either pay a bond or face a jury trial on whether he must pay a bond.


Jones refused to pay a bond and will now face a trial, according to Somers. Jury selection is next, said Judge Somers.


Wearing a faded black leather jacket, Jones entered the courtroom as a crush of media followed his every step.


He appeared in court along with Pastor Wayne Sapp, who burned a Quran last month in Florida under Jones' supervision, setting off violent protests in the Muslim world. Jones intends to protest Friday at the Islamic Center of America, the biggest mosque in Dearborn.

ACLU: Jones has right to protest at Dearborn mosque
Earlier, the ACLU of Michigan and others slammed local authorities for trying to deny Jones the right to protest outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

The ACLU said that authorities are denying Jones' Constitutional rights.


The government should "not impinge on a person's right to protest, even when their speech is as distasteful and offensive as Rev. Jones' is," said Rana Elmir, communications director for the Michigan ACLU. "We should combat hate speech with more speech. I disagree vehemently with Rev. Jones' message, but I believe wholeheartedly in his right to express himself."


Dearborn Police Chief Ron Haddad said that there are logistical and security problems to having Jones protest outside the Islamic Center of America, noting that he has received numerous death threats and has a $1.2-million bounty on his head from a Pakistan-based terrorist group. Moreover, the mosque is surrounded by several churches that have Good Friday services, making traffic an issue, he argued.


But Elmir said:


"We can't forget both religious freedom and the right to protest. The city of Dearborn should honor both of those rights equally."


Elmir said that Dearborn has had issues in previous cases of denying a person's right to protest.


She added that the ACLU is concerned about anti-Muslim hate speech and discrimination, but said that the solution is not censorship.


"The government can not silence demonstrations in anticipation that their message will not be welcomed."


Majed Moughni, a Dearborn attorney, agrees that Jones has the right to protest. Moughni is not a fan of Jones, having burned him in effigy last year outside his Dearborn home because he had threatened to burn the Quran. Jones later oversaw the burning of a Quran last month.


But Moughni says it's wrong for the city and county to try to hinder Jones' rights. Moughni added that this is turning Jones into a hero.


"Instead of him being the bad guy, now he's the hero," Moughni said. "They've turned him into a hero of the First Amendment."


"The prosecutors should withdraw their demands and let him speak as he wishes, which is his right under the Constitution."


Moughni said that even though he burned Jones in effigy last year, he now stands with Jones.


Michael Steinberg, legal director with the ACLU Michigan, said that the government's actions in this case are unconstitutional.


"In a free society, the government can't place a price on a person's ability to speak," Steinberg said.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2011, 04:13:56 PM
I can't think of a worse way to handle it.  :glare:
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Post by: Razgovory on April 21, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2011, 04:13:56 PM
I can't think of a worse way to handle it.  :glare:

They could have shot him.

I always confuse Terry Jones with Terry Brooks.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
He's making Monty Python look bad.
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Post by: Razgovory on April 21, 2011, 09:50:36 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
He's making Monty Python look bad.

Oh, they are different people?  I thought he just went crazy, bought a warehouse in the South, and declared it a church.
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Post by: Pat on April 22, 2011, 12:40:19 AM
Actually, he's been writing some really good books. His books on the barbarians in the roman world is well worth a read.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 21, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2011, 04:13:56 PM
I can't think of a worse way to handle it.  :glare:

They could have shot him.

There's still time to do both. :alberta:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
The current budget calls for closing almost all Detroit City Libraries; with only the downtown branch and the main branch in mid-town staying open.  Just to rub it in for the closing branches:

QuoteCritics: $2.3M Detroit library project a symbol of waste amid budget crisis
Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News
Detroit —Detroit Public Library officials say finances have grown so bad they could close most neighborhood branches, but in a few weeks plan to unveil a revamped wing of a main library that even administrators say spares few expenses.

The South Wing is stocked with 20 yellow and orange European lounge chairs that cost $1,092 apiece, artistic pendant light fixtures and two alcohol-burning fireplaces. The project morphed from a $300,000 furniture update to a $2.3 million overhaul with new floors, study rooms, lighting and built-in, wood-framed book shelves.


"$1,100 per chair is reckless spending for a public institution," said Todd Kelly, president of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 1259, which represents 125 workers, including clerks, janitors and security staffers.

"It would be easier to swallow the current situation if we didn't see things like that."

It's not the only spending to come under question as the system considers closing up to 18 of 23 branches and laying off as many as 191 of 333 workers. A Detroit News review showed that, since 2008, the library has paid at least $160,000 to food vendors, including $1,760 at an ice-cream shop, and spent $1 million on 6 percent raises to union workers at a time counterparts in City Hall took 10 percent pay cuts.

Executive Director Jo Anne Mondowney agreed the South Wing renovation was costly and that too much has been spent on food. But she said she's only been on the job for about 19 months and isn't responsible for much of the spending.

Construction was approved by the library board the same month she started the job, but commission minutes show that the $624,000 contract for furniture and shelving was approved under her watch in May 2010. Mondowney said she didn't know who approved the chairs, which will be used by patrons, and that her staff tried unsuccessfully to return them.

"We are looking carefully and monitoring all of our expenses and revenues," said Mondowney, who also said she's cut down on food spending.

"There were some things we couldn't undo. The tiger was out of the house. I have focused staff to become much more mindful of our spending."

Union leaders argue the $2.3 million, which came from operational funds, could have helped reduce an $11 million shortfall.

But Edward Thomas, chairman of the library commission, said the South Wing spending has no connection to the library's current financial crisis. The library is funded by a 4.63 mill tax and officials project revenues will drop 20 percent per year until 2015 because of declining property values and population. The tax that generated about $40 million in 2010 is only expected to produce $14 million by 2015.

"Our monthly payroll is $2 million," Thomas said. "When you have a situation like this, people are looking for someone to blame. I just think some things are being made more of than they are. The root cause is really the decline in property taxes."

Commissioner Anthony Adams said the board must "learn from its past mistakes."

"You really can't justify $1,100 chairs," said Adams, who joined the board this year and has investigated the South Wing spending.

"I don't think there was any ill will, but it just doesn't look right in the current climate."

Wing was 'dilapidated'
Library Deputy Director Juliet Machie defended the renovation, saying it was a badly needed update that administrators and commissioners approved in 2008 when the system had a rainy day fund of nearly $35 million. The fund is at $17 million now, some of which will be tapped for the projected shortfall.

The 44,000-square-foot, two-story wing hasn't had new furniture since it was built in 1965 and was "dilapidated and dreary," said Machie, who helped lead the project under former Director Nancy Skowronski. Machie also was interim director for three months in the summer of 2009, before Mondowney came on in September 2009.

"It was pretty beat up," Machie said. "The staff had been asking, 'Can we do something?'"

Machie said the initial price of $300,000 was an estimate and commissioners knew it would increase. In January 2009, commissioners approved spending $1.5 million on the project. The commissioners are appointed by the Detroit Board of Education.

Skowronski, who retired, didn't return a call for comment.

Machie said officials argued about the value of the two fireplaces — which cost $5,021 apiece — but she said staff pushed for them because they had seen them in suburban libraries. The 24 pendant light fixtures hanging above computers cost $531 each.

Machie said she wouldn't have approved the chairs because they can be easily damaged. She said she has had to remove new leather chairs from the Skillman branch downtown and replace them with wooden ones after homeless people defecated on them.

Thomas said the Allermuir-brand chairs would not have been his choice, but "the public is entitled to have a comfortable place to come and read."

Food spending examined
The library's food tab also faces questions.

Spending with food vendors totaled $55,800 in 2008, $61,400 in 2009 and $40,600 in 2010, according to a Detroit News review of the library's checks. Some of the most frequent caterers were downtown's Lunchtime Global, Genet Your Everyday Gourmet and La Azteca Ice Cream in southwest Detroit.

Mondowney said most food was provided for the public at events but some was just for staff.

"I saw it as something we need to be mindful of," Mondowney said. "Food service is not a necessary part of doing business."

But records show about $5,400 has been spent on food vendors so far in January and February of this year.

Adams said food expenses have to be cut.

"You can't justify spending money on food when you are closing branches," Adams said.

Project a shadow over talks
Library leaders are meeting with union employees now to try to get them to accept concessions to trim their shortfall.

But Adams said concerns over the South Wing spending are dominating the discussion. Union representatives also have criticized a failed fundraising effort. The News first reported in February that the library set aside $200,000 in taxpayer money two years ago to launch a $20-million fundraising campaign for construction projects. But less than $100 was raised.

Kelly, with AFSCME Local 1259, said the union was surprised when library leaders proposed their 6 percent raise.

"We would have settled for 2 percent when we saw what the city was dealing with," Kelly said.

Michael Wells, president of UAW Local 2200, representing about 120 library staffers, said the raise is justified but will be difficult to give up because some members believe library administrators were more concerned about keeping up with plush suburban facilities than being fiscally responsible.

"What we need to do is live within our budget," said Wells. "We look to them for leadership and what do we get in return?"

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Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2011, 10:10:02 AM
 :alberta:

QuotePolice: Terry Jones accidentally fired gun in Southfield TV station parking lot
10:30 AM, Apr. 22, 2011  |  44Comments

BY TAMMY STABLES BATTAGLIA

DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Controversial Pastor Terry Jones accidentally fired his .40-caliber handgun while he was at a Southfield television studio Thursday night, according to police.


The outspoken pastor, 59, of Gainesville, Fla., was getting in the passenger side of his car at 11:10 p.m. after an interview when the Taurus handgun went off, sending a bullet into the floorboard, Southfield Police Lt. Nick Loussia said today.


"Officers heard a gunshot, approached the vehicle, asked Mr. Jones if he was OK," Loussia said. Jones and the driver were in the parking lot of Fox2 studios on West 9 Mile. "He was, and they also observed he had a gun in his hand."


Officers took the gun, and also found another gun near the 42-year-old driver, a man from Florida traveling with Jones. Both men were carrying valid Florida concealed weapon licenses, which are recognized in Michigan, Loussia said.


"Based on the facts of the investigation it did not appear a crime had been committed," Loussia said, explaining that officers returned the weapons and sent the men on their way. He did not know the type of weapon carried by the driver.


As he entered a Dearborn courtroom this morning, Jones told reporters that he had been up since 4:30 a.m. and firing his gun was "an accident."

Packin' heat and bustin' caps; Terry Jones is more Detroit than I am.
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Post by: Ed Anger on April 22, 2011, 10:14:22 AM
.40 cal? Real men carry PPK's. Like me and Hitler.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 22, 2011, 02:47:12 PM
Again, in spite of that, we call this Friday good:

QuoteMuslims vow to confront Terry Jones rally with peace
2:45 PM, Apr. 22, 2011 

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Interfaith leaders hold hands in front of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn on Thursday, April 21, 2011. Interfaith leaders and supporters joined hands to show unity and condemn Pastor Terry Jones who oversaw the burning of a Quran last month in Florida. / WILLIAM ARCHIE

BY CHASTITY PRATT DAWSEY

The regularly scheduled Friday afternoon prayer took place at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn today, as Muslims in this community await a rally by Pastor Terry Jones that some believe could smear their beliefs.

In the main hallway leading into the city's largest mosque, people stopped to sign a laminated scroll of paper that those of all faiths were signing.


"We as caring neighbors in southeastern Michigan stand together in condemning the actions of those who spew hate and fear..." the heading on the scroll begins.


An old man in a brown blazer picked up a black permanent marker, bent close, peered through his glasses and signed. Two younger ladies in shimmering head scarves who were toting fashionable patent leather shoulder bags signed, too.


They were followed by a man who set down a baby carrier that held a dozing girl.


Inside, under the building's high gold dome that is visible blocks away, Imam Hassan Al-Qazwini preached about tolerance taught in the Quran and in American law.


"Today my dear brothers and sisters, we are confronted by ignorance," he said, referring to Pastor Terry Jones of Florida. "Turn away from those ignorant."


Jones supervised the burning of a copy of the Quran, the Muslim holy book, last month. He is in Dearborn today to rally in front of the mosque to protest against what he calls the "radical element in Islam."


His plans were delayed, however, by the judicial system. He has been in court since this morning trying to win a judge's permission to hold the rally without first posting a peace bond.


Such bonds are sometimes required before an event to cover police and other expenses in the case of a riot or some other problem that could cost public dollars.


Rami Faraj, 17, of Dearborn attended the afternoon prayer. "He's preaching hate, we're preaching peace," he said. "He's clearly doing this for show. Let's not give him any attention."


Thursday evening at the mosque, about 700 people gathered for a counter-rally.


Al-Qazwini has asked people to go to the city's civic center this evening at 5 p.m. and to not come to the mosque in order to avoid contact and potential clashes with Jones and his followers.


Many of those who attended prayer at the mosque echoed the same sentiment - Jones has united people of different faiths who intend to show him that Islam is peaceful.


Heather Cowgar, 29, of Dearborn converted from Catholicism seven years ago. She said she believes Jones wants to cause a riot to give Islam a bad name.


"I believe the best thing is just a peaceful protest," she said. "So we can show him what our community is really about."


There's a priceless positive side to the commotion that Jones is stirring, said Zakaria Baalbaki, 33, of Dearborn Heights. "He brought all of the religions together. That is a wonderful thing to have. It's a great thing to see," Baalbaki said after signing the peace scroll along with leaders of other religions.


"Islam is all about peace. It's not about what people see sometimes on TV."


Eric Zarvi, 42, of Dearborn Heights said Jones is in for a surprise.


"He's looking for trouble. But we're not going to give him that."

In my opinion the inter-faith leaders should have told everyone to go home rather than holding their own counter-protest; not only are they giving Jones legitimacy, but they're also increasing the risk of a riot by having a gathering. 

The Klan did something like this in Toledo, Ohio; they held a march through a predominantly black neighborhood.  A counter-protest formed.  The situation turned ugly and a riot broke out; the Klan fled and left black people to destroy their own neighborhoods.
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Post by: The Brain on April 23, 2011, 02:12:43 AM
Quoteafter homeless people defecated on them.

How the FUCK can you be homeless in Detroit? Doesn't compute.
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Post by: Ed Anger on April 24, 2011, 07:30:32 AM
QuoteUnder a new budget proposal from State Sen. Bruce Casswell, children in the state's foster care system would be allowed to purchase clothing only in used clothing stores.

Casswell, a Republican representing Branch, Hillsdale, Lenawee and St. Joseph counties, made the proposal this week, reports Michigan Public Radio.

His explanation?

    "I never had anything new," Caswell says. "I got all the hand-me-downs. And my dad, he did a lot of shopping at the Salvation Army, and his comment was — and quite frankly it's true — once you're out of the store and you walk down the street, nobody knows where you bought your clothes."

Under his plan, foster children would receive gift cards that could only be used at places like the Salvation Army, Goodwill and other second hand clothing stores.

The plan was knocked by the Michigan League for Human Services. Gilda Jacobs, executive director of the group, had this to say:

    "Honestly, I was flabbergasted," Jacobs says. "I really couldn't believe this. Because I think, gosh, is this where we've gone in this state? I think that there's the whole issue of dignity. You're saying to somebody, you don't deserve to go in and buy a new pair of gym shoes. You know, for a lot of foster kids, they already have so much stacked against them."

Casswell says the plan will save the state money, though it isn't clear how much the state spends on clothing for foster children or how much could be saved this way.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2011, 09:14:08 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 23, 2011, 02:12:43 AM
Quoteafter homeless people defecated on them.

How the FUCK can you be homeless in Detroit? Doesn't compute.
:lol:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 25, 2011, 04:28:14 PM
QuoteAngry bar patron attacks Girls Gone Wild party bus
Police say a shortage of scantily clad women led a 51-year-old man to attack a Girls Gone Wild bus outside a Saginaw-area bar.

The co-owner of the Red Horse Bar in Saginaw County's Saginaw Township says the Girls Gone Wild promoters disappointed him and his patrons.
Chris Adams tells The Saginaw News the organization contacted the bar three months ago and scheduled Wednesday's stop. He says promoters agreed to provide security, a DJ and publicity, in exchange for the $10 cover charge.

Adams says the event didn't live up to standards and no Girls Gone Wild-employed women participated. He says it drew about 100 customers, twice the normal crowd.

Township police say a Portland man snapped the bus's two rear-view mirrors. He wasn't immediately charged because police had no complaint.

Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be
Lemme hear you say
Fight the power


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Post by: Savonarola on April 28, 2011, 09:30:02 AM
Quote$1,100 trash cans part of library fixup
Review of work at cash-strapped facility continues
Christine MacDonald / / The Detroit News
Detroit — Chairs aren't the only thing that cost $1,100 apiece in a controversial renovation of a Detroit Public Library wing.

So did the trash cans.

The $2.3 million remodel of the South Wing of the Main Library opened to the public Tuesday, and documents obtained this week by The Detroit News show it includes eight stainless-steel trash cans that cost taxpayers about $8,900.

The expense is fueling an outcry that began last week after The News reported the system spent $1,092 apiece for 20 European-designed lounge chairs for the wing — at the same time officials are considering closing 18 of 23 neighborhood branches and laying off workers because of an $11 million shortfall.

"There are some branches that don't have air conditioning," said Michael Wells, president of UAW Local 2200, representing about 120 library staffers.

"But we have $1,100 trash cans in the main library? I think it's exorbitant."

Library commissioners may soon take action. An investigation into the South Wing renovation found "inexplicable irregularities" in awarding contracts, and staffers could soon be disciplined, said Russ Bellant, a member of the Detroit Public Library Commission.

"It appears abuses took place regarding the South Wing construction," Bellant said. "Policies were ignored in the awarding of contracts."

"We've narrowed down the review and are taking steps to resolve it."

He declined further comment. But a copy of the investigation obtained by The News shows the library granted a $125,600 contract to a Chicago architecture firm to manage and design the South Wing, even though the company's initial bid didn't include any prices.

The report also found that it was "common knowledge" among library staff that the firm, Frye Gillan Molinaro Architects, wasn't supposed to get more work because of legal issues related to claims of unpaid subcontractors on another library project it managed.

A company representative declined comment Wednesday.

"We inquired as to why employees had not stepped forward sooner to express their concerns regarding the procurement policy," the investigator hired by commissioners wrote. "The general response was that they feared their employment with the library would be in jeopardy."

The project began in 2007 as a $300,000 furniture update and morphed into a larger renovation, including new floors, study rooms, lighting and built-in wood-frame bookshelves.

In addition to the trash cans and chairs, records show that $78,100 was spent to custom build a circular wooden service desk.

Twenty-one staff workstations cost $3,600 apiece and eight filing cabinets cost $630 each. The rehab also includes two alcohol-burning $5,000 fireplaces and 24 pendant light fixtures for $531 each.

Library user John Franklin Mason called the rehab "beautiful" but questioned the cost.

"Don't get me wrong, I love it," he said Wednesday. "But I don't think it was needed that bad."

Edward Thomas, chairman of the library commission, said he hasn't seen the trash cans but isn't concerned as long as they are heavy duty.

"You want it to be something that will last as opposed to something that will break down," Thomas said.

He said the library's financial problems stem from a drop in property taxes — not the South Wing project. In addition to closing branches, the system is considering laying off as many as 191 of 333 workers.

"If I was in a position to be laid off, I would be upset, too," Thomas said. "I would be looking for someone to blame, too."

Library administrators agree the furniture prices are excessive, but blame each other. Commissioners said they never received a breakdown of expenses — or asked for one.

Executive Director Jo Anne Mondowney came aboard 19 months ago. Before she started, the commission approved the furniture budget — and a committee of staffers led by Deputy Director Juliet Machie picked the project's overall design direction but left individual furniture purchases to Frye, said library spokesman A.J. Funchess.

The commission approved construction on the project in September 2009, the same month Mondowney started. Machie was interim director for about three months before that.

Machie said she was involved only in general design, not furniture. She said Mondowney removed her from the project in November 2009.

Commission minutes show the $624,000 contract for furniture and shelving to vendor Library Design Associates of Plymouth was approved in May 2010, under Mondowney's watch.

The commission's investigation concluded that Machie recommended in 2008 the commission approve the contract with Frye, but Machie said she consulted a library lawyer on the choice and was told there was no issue with the contractor from its previous job.

Machie declined further comment about the investigation.

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Yeah, $1100 trash cans are nice, but I *still* have to share the library with homeless people
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Post by: Savonarola on April 29, 2011, 08:24:15 AM
Whitey just keeps on keeping the house of Cheeks-Kilpatrick down.

QuoteKilpatrick's cousin Nneka Cheeks to be arraigned for racketeering, embezzlement charges
George Hunterand Robert Snell / / The Detroit News
Detroit— Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's cousin is to be arraigned today on charges she took money meant for the city's official mayoral residence, the Manoogian mansion.

Nneka Cheeks, 40, of Livonia is to be charged in the city's 36th District Court with racketeering and eight counts of embezzlement for allegedly raiding almost $20,000 from the Manoogian Mansion Restoration Society's bank account between 2007 and 2009, Attorney General Bill Schuette announced Thursday.

Schuette said Cheeks spent the money on furniture, cosmetic injections, personal fitness training, relatives' debts, veterinary services and her own wedding.

"Ms. Cheeks abused her position of trust by converting these funds for her own personal use," Schuette said. "The criminal acts of Ms. Cheeks were not an isolated event, but rather a series of events."

FBI Special Agent Rob Howard said the investigation of Cheeks was an "offshoot" of the agency's other probes of alleged corruption during Kilpatrick's administration of City Hall. Kilpatrick, jailed for failing to pay restitution associated with obstruction of justice and assault charges related to the text message scandal, also has been charged with federal racketeering and tax violations.

Cheeks previously faced a civil lawsuit over allegations she tapped the Manoogian Mansion Restoration Society's bank account. The state won a default judgment against her in September. The civil complaint asked the court to order Cheeks to return the money and pay triple the amount she diverted.

Cheeks is expected to turn herself in today to face the charges that carry potential penalties of up to 20 years.

Michigan State Police and FBI agents earlier this month raided Cheeks' Livonia home and her parents' home in Detroit as part of an embezzlement investigation. The Detroit home on Cherrylawn, which is registered with the state as the restoration society's address, is owned by Kilpatrick's uncle, Raymond Cheeks, Nneka Cheeks' father.
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Post by: Caliga on April 29, 2011, 08:25:37 AM
These sorts of posts would be more interesting if similar corruption didn't occur in basically every American city. :)
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Post by: Malthus on April 29, 2011, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 29, 2011, 08:25:37 AM
These sorts of posts would be more interesting if similar corruption didn't occur in basically every American city. :)

The seeming complete collapse of the city makes the corruption stand out more.
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Post by: Savonarola on May 03, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
Meanwhile in the suburbs:

QuoteMacomb County restaurateurs charged in beating of rival
Christine Ferretti and Charles E. Ramirez / / The Detroit News
Shelby Township— The owners of a Shelby Township restaurant are facing up to life in prison on allegations they attempted to kill the owner of a competing restaurant with a baseball bat.

Brothers Giuseppe D'Anna, 58, and Girolamo D'Anna, 46, owners of Tiramisu Restaurant, were arraigned Friday in 41-A District Court on charges of assault with intent to murder, Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith said Monday.

Prosecutors say the pair is expected to be arraigned on additional counts of extortion and witness intimidation on May 16 during a scheduled preliminary examination in Shelby Township.

Authorities say the brothers stormed into Nonna's Restaurant near 23 Mile and Schoenherr at 10 p.m. Thursday and hit owner Pietro Ventimiglia over the head 11 times with an aluminum bat.

During the beating, Giuseppe D'Anna allegedly told Ventimiglia that he was going to kill him "so the problem would be over." He told Ventimiglia that if he went to the police, he would kill Ventimiglia's children, his family and his parents back in Italy, prosecutors said.

"We will not tolerate this sort of violent, lawless intimidation in Macomb County," Smith said in a statement Monday.

Giupseppe D'Anna's Detroit-based attorney, James Thomas, said Monday his client has pleaded not guilty and has posted bond, which court officials said was set at $250,000 cash or surety. Thomas described the case as "essentially a family dispute" but declined to elaborate.

"The case will unfold in the courts," he said.

Girolamo's attorney, Vincenzo Manzella, said he had no comment on the case. He said as of late Monday afternoon he still had not seen a police report.

Smith said the D'Anna brothers had allegedly been threatening Ventimiglia, asking: "Don't you know who we are?" since he opened his restaurant in 2009.

Nonna's is across the street from Tiramisu and had recently expanded its seating capacity from 40 to 90, despite continued threats from the D'Annas against it, prosecutors say.

The assault charge carries a penalty of up to life in prison. Extortion is a 20-year felony and the witness intimidation charge is a 10-year offense.

Maria Ventimiglia, Nonna's general manager, said Monday Pietro is recovering.

The restaurant is open for business.

That part of metro Detroit has a fair number of immigrants from Italy; it's nice to see they keep their traditions in this foreign land.  It gives the east side some old world charm.
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Post by: Berkut on May 03, 2011, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 29, 2011, 08:25:37 AM
These sorts of posts would be more interesting if similar corruption didn't occur in basically every American city. :)

I don't think this level of corruption does occur in every American city, actually. Probably in some, but hardly all of them.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 03, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
Mayor Bloomberg has a solution for Detroit.


Quote from: Meet the Press(transcript)
MR. GREGORY:  Well, the--this, this disconnect where we hear that the economy is getting better, stock market is improving.  So much has gone on on Wall Street to get healthy again, with major banks getting healthy again, and yet we're in this state where you have stubbornly high unemployment.

MAYOR BLOOMBERG:  Well, there's a couple of different things here.  One, there is a crisis of confidence, and the one that really is worrisome is not just when you go out and say, "Do you feel better or worse about the economy?" It is a crisis of confidence among business people.  They look at Washington and they say, "You can't run something this way." No company would survive if you ran it the way Washington runs, where they focus on small issues that have nothing to do with the, the real America, on issues they can't come together on.  The most obvious one is immigration.  This is a country that was built by immigrants, this is a country that became a superpower by--because of its immigrant population.  And unless we continue to have immigrants, we cannot maintain as a superpower.

And I'll give you a good example of how you can fix some of the problems in America.  Take a look at the big old industrial cities--Detroit, for example. Got a great mayor in Mayor Bing.  But the population has left.  You got to do something about that.  And if I were the federal government, assuming you could wave a magic wand and pull everybody together, you pass a law letting immigrants come in as long as they agree to go to Detroit and live there for five or 10 years, start businesses, take jobs, whatever.  You would populate Detroit overnight because half the world wants to come here.  We forget, we, we whip ourselves a little bit too much.  We still are the world's greatest democracy.  We still have hope for--if you want to have a better life for yourself and your kids, this is where you want to come.  And you could use something like immigration policy, at no cost to the federal government, to fix a lot of the problems that we have.

Sound intriguing at first. One of the things wrong in places like that is clearly a lack of cohesive community and a sense of connection to the place-a desire for it to not be a shithole. On the other hand, another problem is the built-in institutional and structural atmosphere that is clearly poisonous to progress. I wouldn't want to force some poor souls into a kind of indentured servitude that locks them into staying there while the leadership they inherit can abuse them with impunity because they can't leave.

Welcome to America. Now you're paying outrageous taxes and slaving under a tide of outright oppression so I can embezzle city funds and you can't do shit about it--because whatcha gonna do, go back to Guatemala?

Edit: I'm also not much a fan of immigrant ghettoization and compartmentalization, and I think that would be another side-effect of this.
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Post by: The Brain on May 04, 2011, 01:53:30 AM
I thought they had saved Detroit by now? They certainly have destroyed it. :huh:
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Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2011, 09:27:31 AM
WTF? :bleeding:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/
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Post by: ulmont on May 06, 2011, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2011, 09:27:31 AM
WTF? :bleeding:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/

You left out the best part.  From the linked report:

QuoteWe also know that of the 200,000 adults who are functionally illiterate, approximately half have a high school diploma or GED
http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/basicskillsreport_final.pdf
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Post by: Tonitrus on September 05, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Inactive for about four months....has Detroit lost yet another treasure?  :(
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Post by: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 03, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
Sound intriguing at first. One of the things wrong in places like that is clearly a lack of cohesive community and a sense of connection to the place-a desire for it to not be a shithole. On the other hand, another problem is the built-in institutional and structural atmosphere that is clearly poisonous to progress. I wouldn't want to force some poor souls into a kind of indentured servitude that locks them into staying there while the leadership they inherit can abuse them with impunity because they can't leave.

Welcome to America. Now you're paying outrageous taxes and slaving under a tide of outright oppression so I can embezzle city funds and you can't do shit about it--because whatcha gonna do, go back to Guatemala?

Edit: I'm also not much a fan of immigrant ghettoization and compartmentalization, and I think that would be another side-effect of this.
Yeah, that's a crazy idea.  Not only for the reasons you stated, but it's also morally wrong to force people to live in a place where they'll be preyed upon by negro criminals.
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Ive seen this somewhere before.....Ah, Fallout 3 many times.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 02, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
Detroit's been ignored for far too long!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/detroit-high-school-prote_n_1392436.html


Quote
Detroit High School Protest: Students Suspended After Demanding 'An Education'


About 50 students were suspended Thursday from the all-boys Frederick Douglass Academy in Detroit, Mich. for walking out of classes in protest, demanding "an education."

Among their complaints: a lack of consistent teachers, the reassignment of the school principal, educators who abuse sick time and a shortage of textbooks.

"We've been wronged and disrespected and lied to and cheated," senior Tevin Hill told the Detroit Free Press. "They didn't listen to us when we complained to the administration. They didn't listen to the parents when they complained to the administration, so I guess this is the only way to get things solved."

One math teacher, parent Sharise Smith tells WJBK-TV, has been absent for more than 68 days.

The students marched outside the school and chanted, "We want... education! When do we want it? Now!"

Students and parents became increasingly alarmed when Frederick Douglass was no longer listed as an application school in the district -- current students had to apply to attend. Smith told the Free Press that her son was given an A in geometry without taking a final exam.

"It was by default, just for showing up. It wasn't because he earned an A," she said.

The Frederick Douglass boys are just some of many students in a city that proved to be the worst-performing urban school area among 21 surveyed across the country. Despite its national rank, Detroit's overall performance increased on the 2011 National Assessment of Educational Progress.

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan in 2009 branded Detroit "ground zero" for education reform, but changed his tone to a more optimistic one last year. Still, the district is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and faces dwindling enrollment -- the first day of academic year 2011-2012 saw a 55 percent attendance rate.

Detroit Public Schools spokesperson Steve Wasko noted that Frederick Douglass teachers who abuse sick time "will be reprimanded," and the district aims to keep the school open while adding new courses like debate and engineering.

The 17-year-old Hill told The Detroit News that so many teachers have been simultaneously absent from school that dozens of students had been forced to gather in the gym or other common school areas. Students also went for long periods without homework, and Hill said he struggled on a recent placement exam at Bowling Green State University, where he's been accepted to attend next year.

"I literally couldn't answer a question on there," Hill said. "Right now, I'm not going to be as successful as I should be because I haven't been properly taught."
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Post by: Jacob on April 02, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 03, 2011, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 29, 2011, 08:25:37 AM
These sorts of posts would be more interesting if similar corruption didn't occur in basically every American city. :)

I don't think this level of corruption does occur in every American city, actually. Probably in some, but hardly all of them.

I'd hope not.
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Post by: Syt on May 27, 2012, 05:27:39 AM
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/detroitbullied.html

QuoteA Bullied 7-Year-Old in Detroit Has Committed Suicide: VIDEO
Seven years old!

DetroitAuthorities and media in Detroit are incredulous that a boy so young could have taken his own life over bullying, but that appears to be the tragic case, the Detroit Free Press reports:

Detroit Police Chief Ralph Godbee Jr. said Thursday, calling the situation "unfathomable."

He said the department is investigating the child's death, but as of Thursday afternoon, it appeared the situation is "exactly as presented" -- a suicide.

The boy was found by his 14-year-old sister hanging from a bunk bed with a belt around his neck.

The 7-year-old, whom the Free Press is not naming, had been depressed about being bullied by other kids at school and in his neighborhood, and about his parents' recent separation, the boy's mother told police, according to the report.

Adds the Free Press:

The boy's mother told police she forced her way into the room where her son was by removing the door knob, grabbed her son and held him up while a neighbor removed the belt from around his neck, a report says. The boy was then placed on his mother's bed, but a 911 operator said to move him to the floor, a report says.

The boy's mother told police she had last seen her son alive at 4 p.m. Wednesday, when she left to go talk to the family's pastor about the child's depression, according to the report.

The mother told police that her son "had been depressed due to her recent separation from his father; the fact that he had been bullied continuously by the children at school, in addition to the constant teasing that he had endured because he was the only boy in the home of eight females," a report says.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on May 27, 2012, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 27, 2012, 05:27:39 AM
"had been depressed due to her recent separation from his father; the fact that he had been bullied continuously by the children at school, in addition to the constant teasing that he had endured because he was the only boy in the home of eight females," a report says.

Wow.

But, better a suicide at 7 than multiple prostitution murders at 37.

Shame, though.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on February 28, 2013, 03:44:43 PM
Been a while since we revisited Detroit (http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday).

Quote

Governor to announce EFM decision tomorrow; State takeover of Detroit possible


DETROIT (WXYZ) - Detroit Mayor Dave Bing says he spoke by phone with Michigan Governor Rick Snyder today. He says the governor will announce his decision regarding the possible appointment of an Emergency Financial Manager for the city of Detroit on Friday.

The mayor said, "Everybody's got a pretty good idea of what the announcement is going to be."

When asked whether he expected the governor to announce the choice of an EFM, Bing said, "Not immediately."

Earlier today, WXYZ reported that Mayor Bing said the governor would announce a state takeover on Friday. The mayor says he did not make that statement and a review of his comments indicates that he did not specifically say a takeover would be announced.

"I shouldn't make the announcement, the Governor will make it," said Bing while talking with reporters following a speech before the Detroit Regional Chamber at the MotorCity Casino.

If the governor decides to appoint an EFM, the city will have 10 days to appeal the decision.

Governor Snyder said a week ago he would take a week or so to make his final decision on what he would do with the city of Detroit. At that time he said he would either appoint an emergency financial manager or enter into a new consent agreement with the city.

Those remarks came after a financial review team found that a financial emergency existed in the city of Detroit. The review team also recommended to Snyder that he appoint an emergency financial manager to run the city.

Detroit has been operating under a consent agreement with the state since last year. That consent agreement prevented the city from being taken over by an emergency manager, who would have been appointed under a state law that was in place at that time.

Voters overturned that law in November 2012 and the state reverted to an older law that allowed for the appointment of an emergency financial manager.

Michigan is about to foreclose on Detroit. I find the meeting's venue amusing. MotorCity Casino. Heh.
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Post by: Barrister on February 28, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
It always amused me that there is actually a station with the call letters WXYZ.  :)
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Post by: Phillip V on March 01, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
The governor of Michigan has appointed an emergency manager to seize control of Detroit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/us/michigan-appoints-emergency-manager-for-detroit.html
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Post by: Tonitrus on March 02, 2013, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 01, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
The governor of Michigan has appointed an emergency manager to seize control of Detroit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/us/michigan-appoints-emergency-manager-for-detroit.html

Should be...

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Post by: Phillip V on March 04, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 02, 2013, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 01, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
The governor of Michigan has appointed an emergency manager to seize control of Detroit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/02/us/michigan-appoints-emergency-manager-for-detroit.html

Should be...

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Governor Snyder should appoint Mitt Romney to save Detroit.
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Post by: JacobL on March 11, 2013, 10:04:59 AM
Kwame guilty on almost all charges including the biggie of racketeering.  :cheers:
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Post by: Phillip V on March 11, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
Scott Romney (Mitt's older brother) interested in running for US Senate seat from Michigan being vacated by Carl Levin.

Mitt Romney still being discussed as possible emergency manager of Detroit.
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Post by: Malthus on March 11, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 11, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
Scott Romney (Mitt's older brother) interested in running for US Senate seat from Michigan being vacated by Carl Levin.

Mitt Romney still being discussed as possible emergency manager of Detroit.

:lol:

"First prize: get to be President of the United States.

Second prize: get to be Manager of Detroit.

Third prize: stood up against a wall and shot"

"Oh wait ... got the order of 2 and 3 wrong ..."
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Post by: Tonitrus on March 11, 2013, 03:26:38 PM
Hey now, he did save the SLC Winter Olympics.

Detroit...Winter Olympics...can't be all that different.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on March 11, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
And the black people do love him.
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Post by: garbon on March 13, 2013, 01:02:25 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/student-brought-20-000-school-140704617.html

QuoteA 12-year-old recently had quite the show-and-tell at school: According to the Detroit News, she brought a backpack stuffed with $20,000 in cash.

Police, who declined to name the girl, said the student received it from a child who lives across the street from her in Taylor, outside of Detroit.

Word got around at the local Sixth Grade Academy that the girl was handing out cash to her friends. That's when the principal stepped in and called the police.

"The school district called us and said a 12-year-old student had a backpack full of money," Taylor Chief of Police Mary Sclabassi said. "The principal became aware of it when she heard the student was giving money away to friends. They brought in the student, secured the backpack and retrieved the money she had given away. This is a real first for me."

Commenters on the Detroit News website were also stunned by the news. Doran Hollow wrote, "That was my middle school and I never ran into anyone so generous."

Scott Gypsy opined, "She must have been a fan of Robin Hood."

Added Brent Link, "My other thought was casino winnings. But drugs was the first one to cross my mind. Who really keeps that kind of money under their mattress?"

No word on what the neighbors were doing with that amount of cash around the house, but undoubtedly they will be glad to get it back.
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Post by: DGuller on March 13, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Wow, $20,000?  She could've bought the whole neighborhood with that kind of money.
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Post by: Phillip V on March 13, 2013, 01:06:04 PM
Foolish girl. That $20k could easily have been a down payment on a nice Detroit home.
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Post by: sbr on March 13, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
SHe could have bought 20,000 houses.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 25, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
From Daniel Howes in the Detroit News:

QuoteLenders take it on the chin in Orr's plan


Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr's restructuring plan for Detroit is rattling a whole lot more people than city employees and the retirees who stand to lose city-paid health care and chunks of their pensions.

His move to label limited and unlimited general obligation debt as "unsecured," effectively declaring it no longer backed by the "full faith and credit" of the cash-strapped city, is roiling bondholders and threatening to alter the municipal bond market's assumption that cities will raise taxes to meet their financial obligations and avoid default.

Not now in Detroit, where taxing authority is already at its statutory limit. Not in a city that already can claim to be the highest taxed municipality in Michigan, notwithstanding a pathetic inability to collect much of the real estate and income taxes it is owed.

Orr's point: Lenders should have known better, and Detroit won't pay because it can't.

"If you lent money to an insolvent city that has been going insolvent as openly and notoriously as possible since 2000, and you don't have a security interest, then you are an unsecured creditor," he told The Bond Buyer in a recent interview. "This has been building for decades and decades. They understood the risk."

His contention may prove to be the linchpin of tough negotiation, protracted litigation or both. But his observation that Detroit has been "openly and notoriously" headed toward bankruptcy is spot on, supported by reams of news articles, independent studies, state-ordered financial reviews, public testimony of the city's longtime auditor general and towering financial mismanagement exceeded only by the city's deep political dysfunction.

A former mayor — the one whose administration engineered the interest-rate swap deal to fund pension payments and routinely failed to file annual financial reports with the state — is in federal prison, convicted on corruption charges. And a former member of City Council last month completed her own prison term.

Detroit has lost nearly a third of its population over the past decade, probably the most significant voluntary exodus from any city in the developed world. The calamitous trend cut tax revenue and gutted home values by creating more supply than demand; it undermined the city's ability to meet financial obligations it arguably should not have made.

None of this is a secret. No, Orr says lenders whose positions are not secured with specific revenue streams (such as the water department or casino taxes) are, by his definition, unsecured. They would share equally the pain of a restructuring that is increasingly likely to take place inside what would be the largest Chapter 9 bankruptcy in American history.

Who says Texas is the only place where everything is bigger? Four years ago, Detroit became home to the largest bankruptcies in American corporate history, courtesy of General Motors. and Chrysler. This year, it probably will produce the largest municipal bankruptcy ever — a dubious distinction that says a lot about the culture of Detroit and its auto industry.

Most of what it says isn't good. The coming Detroit reckoning would confront the bad habits of its past and would try to chart a humbling future. But its path to get there proposes to trample conventions of the municipal finance market, to pierce constitutional protections of vested pensions and to impoverish public employees who didn't make the rules or the deals.

Sound familiar? It should, because Detroit's singularly grim predicament isn't Detroit's alone. Cities and school districts across Michigan are under emergency management. Pension liabilities in states such as California and Illinois are massive, forcing politicians to confront the confluence of union power, pension promises and the cash that greases the political process.

Detroit is just getting there sooner, a municipal canary forced into the coalmine largely of its own making. Its predicament is the cost of one-party rule for 50 years; a political culture obsessed with power, control and self-dealing; a city budget whose priorities too often reflected the demands of employees and their union leaders, not the needs of taxpaying residents or the responsibility to adequately maintain public infrastructure.

And the financial community? Too many chose to ignore the unmistakable arc of the Detroit's decline so long as they could engineer one more deal, pocket more fees and bank on the assumption that the city would raise taxes yet again to honor its debts, that Michigan would backstop the commitments, or both.

Could the remedy for Detroit's undeniable profligacy have implications for Triple-A-rated Oakland County right next door? It could if proximity trumps performance and the common sense to recognize that the city's problems were mostly made in Detroit.

Orr's initial offer was about 10 cents on the dollar to bondholders.  His tough talk is, in part, an attempt to frighten them into accepting a deal like this rather than putting Detroit through a municipal bankruptcy.  He's also said that works from the Detroit Institute of Arts would not be protected if the city were to go to bankruptcy in order to get at least attention, maybe assistance from business and suburban civic leaders.

While I can't disagree with Orr's assessment of the situation, who would ever loan Detroit money again?  The bond holders lost their money and got blamed for doing so. 
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 04:02:31 PM
The good people of Detroit are being sacrificed on a cross of austerity.
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Post by: Jacob on June 25, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
Pretty shitty to see your vested pensions getting obliterated.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 25, 2013, 06:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 25, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
Pretty shitty to see your vested pensions getting obliterated.

Then they never should've been public employees and should've put it all into a 401k instead, where it would've been much safer.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
 :yes:

Or they could have asked their union to bargain for a 401k instead of a defined benefit plan.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 25, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
Go fuck yourself and your 401k.
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Post by: Barrister on June 25, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
:yes:

Or they could have asked their union to bargain for a 401k instead of a defined benefit plan.

:huh:

But that would be stupid.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on June 25, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 25, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
:huh:

But that would be stupid.

:secret: I think that's kind of the point.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2013, 10:47:35 PM
Under the circumstances, perhaps it would not be.
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Post by: DGuller on June 25, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
:yes:

Or they could have asked their union to bargain for a 401k instead of a defined benefit plan.
That's like saying that they could've asked their union to bargain for decertification.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
Huh? Please invest our money in more diversified investments equals disband the union? They could have just put the pension fund into an S&P ETF you know.  :P

Can't buy off any of Kwame's cousins or former Supremes that way though.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 26, 2013, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 25, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
:huh:

But that would be stupid.

How so?  Detroit employees are going to get pennies on the dollar.  Once you get a 401k contribution, it's yours, no takes backs.  And there's no law of physics that says a defined benefit contribution has to be larger than a 401k contribution.

Guller: Your comment makes zero sense.  Zero Kelvin.  It's a black hole of sense.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 25, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
Pretty shitty to see your vested pensions getting obliterated.

Most likely it's the pensioners that aren't going to accept Orr's terms.  They're the best funded to put together a challenge, and the Michigan constitution protects city pensions.  A lot of commentators think that the latter might not hold in bankruptcy, though.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2013, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 25, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
:huh:

But that would be stupid.

The pension fund was almost certainly stolen from (or at least criminally misused) by the trustees.  Plus the pension was never adequately funded in the first place.  Under those circumstances the pensioners would have been better off with a 401(k); (they may have been better off burying their retirement money in a jar out back.)
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Post by: Barrister on June 26, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 26, 2013, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 25, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
:huh:

But that would be stupid.

How so?  Detroit employees are going to get pennies on the dollar.  Once you get a 401k contribution, it's yours, no takes backs.  And there's no law of physics that says a defined benefit contribution has to be larger than a 401k contribution.

Guller: Your comment makes zero sense.  Zero Kelvin.  It's a black hole of sense.

Detroit city employees might take a hit, but it's extremely unlikely they'll receive 'pennies on the dollar'.
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Post by: Neil on June 26, 2013, 05:25:43 PM
A 401k, while appearing to be worse, might actually be more stable.  After all, it's somewhat less likely that the whole US economy melts down than it is for the organization that employed you to be destroyed by mismanagement.  Neither is a sure deal, but what is these days?
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Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2013, 07:06:54 PM
QuoteWhere's Charles Pugh? Kevyn Orr moves to halt his salary; lawyer accuses council president of misdeeds with teen


Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr's legal team is preparing an order to strip City Council President Charles Pugh of all his pay, benefits and responsibilities. Meanwhile, a Southfield attorney says he is preparing a lawsuit against the one-time broadcaster for alleged inappropriate activity involving a youth, including "disturbing" text messages.

Orr spokesman Bill Nowling said the order is being drafted because Pugh — whose whereabouts have been a mystery this week — missed a 5 p.m. deadline today to decide whether to resign or return to work.

Orr cannot remove Pugh from office under the state's emergency manager law. He can, however, set elected officials' compensation and duties.

"The deadline has passed. We are drawing up the order now," Nowling said in an interview at city hall shortly after 5 p.m. "I think he'd have to give a pretty compelling reason why Kevyn shouldn't sign the order."

Orr has signed several orders since becoming emergency manager, including one that kept Detroit council members at their current salaries at a time when emergency managers in other communities have slashed pay and benefits for council members. Pugh is paid $76,911 a year.

The normally not-shy councilman and former local news broadcaster has been largely out of sight for much of the last two weeks and has not responded to multiple requests from the Free Press and other media outlets for comment.

Pugh's disappearance from the public eye — which included the apparent removal of his public Facebook and Twitter social media accounts — came as the Detroit City Council today debated how to proceed with selecting members to replace those who've resigned. Councilman Kwame Kenyatta quit last week after a lengthy medical leave, and Council President Pro Tem Gary Brown announced his resignation this morning to take a $225,000-a-year position as a top restructuring aide to Orr.

The Detroit Public Schools confirmed that the mother of a recent high school graduate student at the Frederick Douglass Academy for Boys made a complaint against Pugh in early June, alleging the council president gave her son gifts of clothing, a cell phone and cash without her knowledge.

District spokesman Steve Wasko said Wednesday that the mother told school administrators that she did not want them to intervene.

"The parent approached the school's assistant principal with concerns regarding her son's mentor in early June," Wasko said, noting that no other accusations were made in her complaint. The mother told the administrator "she would prefer to handle the matter personally."

But attorney Ivan Land, who is representing the mother, said Wednesday that Pugh harassed the boy's mother after she confronted him, and, that the school failed to protect the boy, who is now 18, but was 17 at the time Pugh was mentoring him.

"We're alleging Mr. Pugh engaged in inappropriate behavior with our client," Land said at a news conference, charging that DPS, the academy and the city failed to protect the Detroit boy, who they would not name.

Wasko said the school sent a follow up e-mail to the mother earlier this week asking whether there were anything else administrators could do to resolve her concerns, but she did not respond.

Land and co-counsel Deano Ware, pressed for details, would not say what sorts of behaviors Pugh allegedly engaged in with the boy.

But Ware and Land held an inch-thick stack of photocopies of what they said were text messages and phone calls made by Pugh to the boy. They would not show the text messages in detail, but Ware said: "They're bad. They're disturbing."

Land said Pugh was allowed to take the teen out of school during school hours and gave him cash and gifts. Asked whether the relationship between the two ever became sexual, Land said: "I'm not at liberty to disclose that."

Land said he intends to file a civil suit against Pugh, the City of Detroit, the Detroit Public Schools and the academy. Land said a criminal complaint has not been filed. He said the mother was concerned that given Pugh's political position, the matter would not be properly investigated unless she first contacted a lawyer and made the case public.

Maria Miller, spokeswoman for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy, said the office had not been notified of the case as of late Wednesday.

Land said the boy's mother approached political consultant Skip Mongo after she brought the matter to the attention of administrators of the school, an all-boys academy located at the former Murray-Wright High School, Pugh's alma mater.

Given Pugh's disappearance from the public eye and the lack of detail about the nature of the relationship, questions continued to swirl Wednesday about Pugh, his whereabouts and his condition. City officials and close friends said they've heard little from him in recent days.

Pugh has missed two regular Tuesday meetings of the full City Council, which he chairs.

A close friend and supporter of Pugh said the council president denied anything untoward happened with the student. Rather, Pugh bought the boy clothes and a phone so that he would be able to get a job at a fast-food restaurant, said the friend, who worked closely with Pugh for several years and has spoken with him in recent days.

The friend also worked as a mentor at the academy with Pugh, who organized the mentorship program at the school.

The close friend, who asked not to be identified because he did not want to betray Pugh's confidence, said he never saw any inappropriate behavior between Pugh and the students and was taken aback by any suggestion the gifts were inappropriate.

The friend said Pugh acknowledged to him that he gave the boy and others gifts but said it was something he did for kids whose families were of limited means. Pugh, the friend said, told him that he gave the boy clothes because he didn't have outfits appropriate for a job he was seeking at a fast-food restaurant.

"It's what he did for these kids," the friend said. "A lot of parents would attest to that."

The friend acknowledged, however, that he and others had warned Pugh of the potential risk of giving gifts to students, telling him that some could question his motives.

Of Pugh's 2009 bid for public office after working at Detroit's WJBK-TV (Channel 2), the friend added: "I knew full well we would have to endure suspicion." Such allegations "put a cloud over the professional accomplishments over a lot of young people who worked through his office."

Officials at the Douglass Academy did not respond to phone messages and a visit to the school this afternoon. Several current students and parents of students would not comment publicly but said they were unaware of any allegations against Pugh. They said he has helped many students there get their lives on track.

Pugh's absence from work again Wednesday worried his colleagues. He did not show up at city hall, and city officials said they remained unsure of his whereabouts throughout the day.

Councilwoman Saunteel Jenkins said Wednesday she remains concerned about Pugh's well-being.

"I hope my colleague is OK," Jenkins said. "I hope that he's healthy and if he's not I hope he's doing what it takes for him to be healthy and whole again."

The upheaval over Pugh's absence only adds to the uncertainty over council's structure through the end of the year, when the four-year terms of all nine council members end.

The council's second-ranking member, Brown, announced his resignation Wednesday to take a job in the emergency manager's office. Former Councilman Kwame Kenyatta resigned last week. Kenyatta was dealing with medical issues and was unsatisfied with council's role under Orr.

Both the emergency manager and the remaining council members are exploring their options to maintain the council's day-to-day operations with fewer members. Although the council's power has been removed under Orr, the panel continues to publicly vet city contracts and discuss residents' issues, such as the recent controversy over piles of petroleum coke near the Detroit River.

On Tuesday, council debated a resolution to reduce the number of council subcommittees from five to three so that the remaining council members' workload is more evenly distributed. A vote on the resolution is expected by next week.

The council also discussed the process for appointing new council members to fill the vacancies left by Brown and Kenyatta. Separately, council is to vote Tuesday on which of the remaining members will replace Brown as the president pro tem, council's No. 2 position.

But Orr is considering forgoing the appointments of new members, even though the city charter directs council to make them. Orr can work around the city charter under the state's emergency manager law.

"We don't think we need to go through the process of appointing and interviewing people only to have them gone in a couple months," Nowling said.

Councilman Andre Spivey said Wednesday that he heard the news accounts about the gifts Pugh allegedly gave the teen-age boy.

"At this point, there are no laws that have been broken. My concern is for the protection and safety of the young man," Spivey said. "I know with my own children, if they receive something that I didn't give to them, I would want to know."

Spivey said he hopes Pugh is able to return to work. But council is prepared to move on.

"If he does leave, there are parameters in place to move forward so that leadership can be in place and there are no breaks in the day-to-day operations of the council."

Charles Pugh is a former local news anchor and the first openly gay city council member.  He became city council president by having the most votes, despite never holding public office before.  He usually comes down on the less crazy side of many the 5-4 votes; but only at the last minute and only after forcing long delays.
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Post by: DGuller on June 26, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
Huh? Please invest our money in more diversified investments equals disband the union? They could have just put the pension fund into an S&P ETF you know.  :P

Can't buy off any of Kwame's cousins or former Supremes that way though.
I'm saying that 401k is not what you bargain for, it's at best a shit sandwich that you may be forced to eat.  Wholesale dependence on 401k for a pension scheme is a disaster of a policy, at least from the retirees' point of view.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
You're nuts. The 401k is maybe the best thing our government created in the 20th century.  :huh:
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 26, 2013, 10:43:41 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
You're nuts. The 401k is maybe the best thing our government created in the 20th century.  :huh:

Fuck you.
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Post by: frunk on June 27, 2013, 08:08:30 AM
'Father of 401k' disowns it (http://money.msn.com/retirement-plan/article.aspx?post=eb9632ff-1d35-44ad-bf77-349f8492a081)

Argues that it has gotten too complex and difficult to understand from when it was first developed.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:10:17 AM
Instead of giving all to Wall Street, take it to Vegas.  It'll disappear quicker.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
Seedy has constructed an indestructible position regarding the stock market.  If it goes down, it proves that investors are suckers.  If it goes up, it proves that the working man is getting shafted.
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Post by: garbon on June 27, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
Seedy has constructed an indestructible position regarding the stock market.  If it goes down, it proves that investors are suckers.  If it goes up, it proves that the working man is getting shafted.

:thumbsup:
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
Seedy has constructed an indestructible position regarding the stock market.  If it goes down, it proves that investors are suckers.  If it goes up, it proves that the working man is getting shafted.

It's a game for the wealthy.  But I certainly hope the measly crumbs you've entrusted to the house are doing well.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:33:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
It's a game for the wealthy.  But I certainly hope the measly crumbs you've entrusted to the house are doing well.

When a trade costs 7 bucks it's a hardly a game only for the wealthy.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:48:24 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:33:10 AM
When a trade costs 7 bucks it's a hardly a game only for the wealthy.

You want to play Day Trading Superstar, that's your business.  Simply scratch offs and daily Pick 3s for the smugly over-educated.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2013, 08:50:26 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:48:24 AM
You want to play Day Trading Superstar, that's your business.  Simply scratch offs and daily Pick 3s for the smugly over-educated.

I don't.  That's Mimsy.

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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 08:54:02 AM
He's got a hot as balls wife.  He's already won.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 27, 2013, 12:00:49 PM
Here's a quick explanation of why the City of Detroit pensions aren't insured, and why the situation is more dire for city pensioners than those of the automotive companies:

QuoteSusan Tompor: Pension safety net won't help City of Detroit retirees

The city of Detroit's financial crisis will chug along on many of the same roads taken by big-name companies that underwent major bankruptcies. Tough talk with creditors, unsettling restructuring moves, unhappy times for retirees.

But unlike big business, the city of Detroit's pension problem doesn't have the backstop of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.

There's no so-called rescue ahead for retirees by the PBGC. It's all about emergency manager Kevyn Orr reaching a negotiated compromise, settling the score in bankruptcy court or taking on a longer legal battle to deal with pension payments, the experts say.

Sad to say, the PBGC is nearly as well known as the EPA in many Michigan households after many companies over the years ran into the financial skids and turned pension obligations over to the PBGC.

Private company pensions can be protected up to certain limits by the PBGC.

Big names like Delphi hourly workers, Rouge Steel, Awrey Bakeries and Hayes Lemmerz International had pension plans turned over to the PBGC. Many Michigan plans landed with the PBGC after the 2008-09 financial meltdown.

In 2012, PBGC paid about $384.3 million to more than 46,000 Michigan retirees in failed plans.

As we hear more about the prospect of a Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing for the city of Detroit, it is key to understand that the PBGC will not be a safety net for those retirees. It's just not in the PBGC's wheelhouse.

The PBGC also insures 915 ongoing pension plans sponsored by Michigan companies, covering more than 1.5 million people. But again, not municipal workers.

Nationwide, the PBGC reported, the agency paid for monthly retirement benefits, up to a guaranteed maximum, for nearly 887,000 retirees last year in 4,500 single-employer and multi-employer pension plans that cannot pay promised benefits.

The PBGC was created by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974. It does not receive money from taxpayers. Instead, it collects insurance premiums from employers that sponsor insured pension plans, earns money from investments and receives funds from pension plans that it takes over.

For a state or municipal pension, the taxpayer is typically the backstop. Yet Detroit's finances are in such a hot mess that raising taxes or finding another revenue source to fund pension promises is highly unlikely. Dramatic changes regarding pensions and retiree health care seem inevitable, even with any possible brutal legal battles ahead.

The National Association of State Retirement Administrators noted that about 43 states have made changes to benefit levels or contribution rate structures, or both, between 2009-11. Many local governments have made similar fixes to their plans.

I've heard from many who question why a Detroit employee could retire at 48 or 50 years old with a pension for what could be another 40 years. Yes, young retirement is part of the problem. But it's also true that it's tough to tell someone who is 75 and retired that they're going to lose thousands of dollars now in retirement, either through cuts in health care or pensions.

It's easy, of course, to point to other businesses and communities that have changed the rules of the retirement game. Many McLouth Steel retirees, Delphi retirees and others quickly say, "Look at the sacrifices I had to make.

The challenges for making up the gap remain difficult for any retiree who has large amounts of debt or little personal savings. Yes, it's another reminder that many people who are working need to make saving for retirement a priority, as well.

Take one extreme example: If a 65-year old retiree loses a pension worth say $2,000 a month, it would mean that they'd need $500,000 or more in personal savings to make up that gap, said Timothy Wyman, managing partner for the Center for Financial Planning in Southfield.

Many retirees just don't have that kind of money sitting around waiting just in case their old employer marches into bankruptcy court.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 29, 2013, 08:06:52 AM
Pugh still hasn't surfaced, but his staff has said they've heard from him.  More on the story from the FREEP:

QuoteStudents say Charles Pugh wanted to help kids; accounts different than mother's allegations


Charles Pugh / Kimberly P. Mitchell/Detroit Free Press
By Matt Helms and Joe Guillen

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers

Two former students who were in Charles Pugh's mentorship program at a Detroit high school and two men who mentored its young men said Friday that allegations against the City Council president for an allegedly inappropriate relationship with one of the boys bears little resemblance to what they've seen in or out of the classroom.

"Charles never interacted with the kids in an inappropriate way," said Truevonte Whitsey, 17, a west-side Detroiter who just graduated from the Frederick Douglass Academy for Young Men this month and said he had been in the Charles Pugh Leadership Forum at the school for most of this school year.

Another former student, 19-year-old Tevin Hill, awaiting his sophomore year at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, said Friday that he credits Pugh and other mentors in the program with helping him survive a rough freshman year at the school south of Toledo. He said he nearly dropped out because he ran out of money for books and had trouble with a math class.


Pugh, learning of the math difficulties, immediately arranged for himself and other mentors to tutor Hill via Skype, Hill said, adding that Pugh sent him $100 to help pay for books. Hill said he worked in school dining halls making minimum wage to pay the remaining costs of books.

"My own flesh and blood was telling me I was going to fail, that I wasn't going to make it," Hill told the Free Press. "They (mentors) lifted me up and made sure I got through my freshman year."

Examples like these that emerged Friday contrasted deeply with troubling accusations against Pugh made by the mother of a now 18-year-old Frederick Douglass graduate. The mother accused Pugh this week of conducting an inappropriate relationship with her son, and Pugh has been out of the public eye since just days before the allegations surfaced.

Those close to him say Pugh is devastated by the allegations and fearful for his future. Some openly doubt the validity of the allegations, wondering why the mother went to lawyers and not to police.

The mother's lawyers have declined to reveal details about text messages they say Pugh sent the boy; she only would call them disturbing. Lawyer Ivan Land said he expects to file a civil suit against Pugh, the City of Detroit, the Detroit Public Schools and the academy as early as Monday.

Land said Friday that the boy's mother worried that police wouldn't investigate the case fairly because of Pugh's power in the city, now greatly diminished because emergency manager Kevyn Orr stripped him of all pay and authority after repeated, unexplained absences from work.

Land said his clients are out for justice and not trying to cash in or take advantage of Pugh.

"That is totally not true," Land said. "You'll see when the lawsuit is filed."

Legal experts said the case against Pugh has been undermined because the accuser's mother told her story to lawyers first and not police. Detroit attorney Ray Paige said that move makes the lawsuit look like a money grab.

"The mom has a duty, not to run to a lawyer, but to protect her son," said Paige, who has no connection with the case but has represented hundreds of clients in criminal defense cases. "The natural procedure would be, not to run to some civil lawyers first, but to go to police."

Paige said it is possible authorities have launched an investigation on their own, although the Detroit Police Department and Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy's office said Friday they had yet to be notified of any formal complaints or investigations in the matter.

A criminal investigation could be compromised if a civil suit on the same issue is filed against the suspect before or during the police investigation, said Michael Komorn, a 20-year local criminal defense attorney who also is not involved in the case.

"A detective doesn't want the witness talking to a lawyer first," Komorn said. "That's the kiss of death."

Komorn said it is unfair to judge Pugh now because so much is unknown.

"We really don't know what's going on. When allegations like these are being made, they have a tremendous impact on someone's integrity, whether they're true or not," he said. "All we've heard are veiled generalities, nothing specific."

The mother and her lawyers said Pugh gave the young man cash, a cell phone and clothes for prom, and that Pugh and the boy met without the mother's knowledge off school grounds, at times during school hours, something the mother says the school district should have prevented. DPS officials say they are investigating the matter.

The mother and Land have not alleged that there was a sexual relationship.

Michigan's age of consent is 16. Under state law, however, it is a third-degree felony for school volunteers to engage in sexual penetration with a student under 18 if the volunteer status was used to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, the other person.

Paige said Pugh's position as mentor could make it criminal for him to inappropriately touch any of the students.

"He's part of a mentoring — i.e. teaching — program. He cannot lawfully have contact with these boys," Paige said. "If there's an allegation he touched these boys, then he's got a real big problem."

Still, there were doubts about the allegations among Pugh's supporters, many of whom have been reluctant to come forward.

One who did speak out Friday was DeAndree Watson, 23, a policy analyst for Pugh who had worked with the council president in the mentoring program for more than a year and has interacted with the boy whose mother is planning to sue Pugh.

Watson said the program can be intense and personal at times, and many of the activities happen after school and off school grounds. He said the openly gay Pugh begins each year by telling the students he's gay and asking whether that would be a problem for any of them. Beyond that, Watson said, Pugh infrequently brings up the matter.

Watson said mentors attend student athletes' games, take them to pro sports events, tutor them and regularly help out to buy them things their families may not be able to afford — from clothes to lunch on field trips. Classroom topics range from professional job etiquette and the importance of succeeding in school, to proper attire and how to treat women with respect. The mentors said Pugh brings in female staffers to discuss what girls want from boyfriends — well-dressed, successful, goal-driven young men, not burnouts in baggy pants.

"The purpose of the program is to emphasize leadership among young men, particularly young men from the inner city of Detroit," Watson said, describing many of the students as from poor families, often without a father in the home.

Part of being able to relate to the boys "is not only about preparing for college, discussing academic excellence or professional etiquette," Watson said. "It's also important to have frank and open dialogue about issues that are facing them growing up in this community. So have discussions with them about teen violence. We have conversations about the impact that growing up in single parent households may have. We talk about the risks involved in having children at an early age. ... We're committed to producing well-rounded young men, and that doesn't stop in the classroom."

Of Pugh's interactions with the students, Watson said he "never had any reason to believe he would think about doing anything inappropriate with any of the young men."

Land said he wasn't surprised supporters would publicly defend Pugh and disparage his clients' intentions.

"That's what supporters do," Land said.

But Watson and another mentor who has worked with Pugh for several years but did not want to be identified said they find the allegations hard to believe.

"As far as I'm concerned, he has my full support," Watson said. "I believe he's completely innocent. I believe he was just trying to be the best mentor he could be, and was trying to provide the support and guidance that young man needed at the time. And I stand behind him 100%."

Marshall Mathers (Eminem) said that his mother only worked a job for a few months when he was five.  The rest of his life she lived off of America's legal lottery.  Eventually she sued her son for ten million dollars.  She ended up settling for $25,000, but, in the fine tradition of American justice, her lawyers got everything but $1600.  In any event, while it's possible Pugh is guilty of an inappropriate relationship with this young man, it's not at all implausible that it's just a woman looking for a payoff.  Pugh, though, is not doing himself any favors by hiding.

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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 29, 2013, 08:09:30 AM
Should've used a 401k.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2013, 04:11:48 PM
QuoteMichael Komorn, a 20-year local criminal defense attorney who also is not involved in the case.

:unsure:
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Post by: Barrister on June 29, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2013, 04:11:48 PM
QuoteMichael Komorn, a 20-year local criminal defense attorney who also is not involved in the case.

:unsure:

As in he's been a criminal defense attorney for 20 years.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
D'oh!
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Post by: Capetan Mihali on June 29, 2013, 05:14:44 PM
 :lol:  Doogie Howser, JD.
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Post by: The Brain on June 29, 2013, 06:32:54 PM
20 years at the same job seems insane. 1-2 years and I'm bored out of my skull.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
Want to buy a Van Gogh:

QuoteCaught in a political web, DIA ponders fate amid complex bankruptcy talks

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.freep.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DC4%26amp%3BDate%3D20130630%26amp%3BCategory%3DENT05%26amp%3BArtNo%3D306300065%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D640%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BCaught-political-web-DIA-ponders-fate-amid-complex-bankruptcy-talks&hash=f4b54683cd5bcb505738fa6710f3172eceeb284b)

The Thinker by August Rodin in front of the Detroit Institute of Arts in Detroit, MI on Thursday, May 30, 2013. Romain Blanquart/ Detroit Free Press / Romain Blanquart/ Detroit Free P

By Mark Stryker

Detroit Free Press Staff Writer

It's hard to look at the magnificent bronze casting of Rodin's "The Thinker" that watches over the front steps of the Detroit Institute of Arts and not wonder whether this pensive figure, chin resting on a curled hand, isn't pondering the fate of the museum behind him.

Will the DIA survive the city's financial crisis, or will collateral damage from the march toward bankruptcy leave the museum mortally wounded?

The DIA's troubles — as has often been the case during its roller-coaster history — lie at the volatile intersection of culture, politics and economics. With Detroit emergency manager Kevyn Orr enmeshed in multilateral negotiations with the creditors who hold the city's $18-billion debt, the DIA finds itself a pawn in a high-finance chess match fraught with subtle gamesmanship and serious consequences.

At risk are irreplaceable treasures in the DIA's city-owned collection and $22 million in annual support from the regional property tax millage approved by voters last year. DIA officials fear a domino effect: They say if the museum were forced to raise cash for Detroit by selling art or embracing various rental ideas, future donations of art and money would disappear. They also think they could lose the millage revenue.

DIA executive vice president president Annmarie Erickson said that would lead to a "death spiral" and a crippled museum of limited hours, exhibitions and programs.

Orr has said repeatedly he has no plans to sell art, but his spokesman, Bill Nowling, said this week that the complexities of Orr's negotiations with bondholders, unions and other creditors preclude taking any city assets off the table.

"We can't come out and say to the museum you're protected, and we found a place for you in heaven," said Nowling. "The moment we do, every creditor is going to say, 'You're not broke, and if you're not broke, then I'm not taking 10 cents on the dollar.' "

How it started

No major American museum has been more intimately tied to the political and financial fortunes of its city than the DIA. Its collection and building are owned by the city but run by a nonprofit. The structure, unique among top museums, has existed in its present form since 1998, but effectively dates to 1919, when a cash-strapped DIA gave up its independence to become a city department.

This is the museum's original sin, a trade-off that haunts it to this day. In good economic times, the DIA soared; but in bad times it faltered, nearly closing on more than one occasion and frequently getting beat up in the rough-and-tumble of Detroit politics.

"That problem has never gone away," said Jeffrey Abt, a Wayne State University professor of art and author of a history of the DIA. "The DIA is forced to operate in context very different than any other museum, and the current problems reflect that reality."

Orr's deputies, including New York investment banker Ken Buckfire, warned DIA leaders at a closed door meeting in May that the collection was a city asset vulnerable for sale, and that a comprehensive financial restructuring plan could require the museum to funnel hundreds of millions of dollars into city coffers over the next decade. DIA director Graham Beal and Nowling both said no formal proposals were made, but confirmed that the figures floated were at least $20 million per year.

A bill of that size would be a de facto order to sell art, said Erickson. "If people have the idea that the DIA can raise $20 million a year, I can assure them we've already explored everything we could do short of selling the art, and we can't come anywhere near that number," she said.

Nowling said that the $20-million figure was just a starting point for discussions and that the conversation also included ways of monetizing art beyond selling. One idea would have the DIA lease the collection back from city hall. Another would be sending major portions to other institutions on long-term loan.

"All of this is about how do you justify a fair value should you go into court," said Nowling. "You want to be able to say this is an asset that you rationalized at a fair value. A judge will look at it and say 'Yes it is' or 'No it's not.' If we had a $1 dollar lease, I'm pretty sure the creditors would say that it's worth far more."

Some of the DIA's most influential patrons said the forced sale of any art or other plans that subsidized the city would force them to reconsider their support. Once the door was open to selling, there would be no way to close it, said Robert Jacobs, owner of Buddy's Pizza and a major collector of African art.

"I would have to reassess what I would give, because like anyone I want to give to something that's really special. The dilemma that everybody has is the quandary of where all of this is going."

Selling art, lending schemes or other ideas for monetizing DIA assets would almost assuredly create a backlash among county commissioners and voters, especially anti-tax factions in Macomb and Oakland. Macomb County Executive Mark Hackel said many would move quickly to rescind the millage if art were sold or county tax money was used — or perceived to be used — to subsidize the city.

"There would be legal review, and the question would be: Is this what was intended when the public voted to support the museum?" he said.

The tax funds about 70% of the DIA's annual budget, liberating it from the burden of raising $12 to $15 million a year for operations. The 10-year millage gives the DIA the breathing room it said it needs to raise several hundred millions of dollars in endowment funds to sustain its business after the millage expires.

Orr is keeping his cards close to the vest. The restructuring plan he released to creditors two weeks ago did not include the sale of art, but the report did not rule out the possibility the DIA would be asked to contribute revenue as plans evolve. Craig Barbarosh, a California-based lawyer who worked on municipal bankruptcies in Orange County and Stockton, said that making sure everyone knows the art is in play might be the best strategy for protecting it. But there are no guarantees.

"The ultimate deal is likely to be meaningfully different than what was originally put on the table," said Barbarosh..

As emergency manager Orr has authority to sell or monetize city assets as part of a restructuring plan pitched to creditors. If he can't forge a deal and Detroit enters Chapter 9 bankruptcy, neither creditors nor a federal judge can force the liquidation of assets. However, a judge and creditors can apply pressure by refusing to OK a plan that appears to be hiding assets — and the result could still be a sale.

The DIA has hired a bankruptcy attorney, and officials said they'll fight any move on the art. The DIA maintains that it holds its collection in public trust, a legal argument reinforced in a formal opinion issued by Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette. Professional codes governing museums prohibit selling art except to buy other art or to maintain the collection.

However, bankruptcy experts have told the Free Press that because the city owns the art, it would be difficult to convince judge to void a sale.

DIA officials are mindful of the difficult politics of declaring their institution off-limits when pensioners, policemen and creditors are all taking it on the chin in Orr's restructuring plan. Leaving aside loftier arguments about the DIA's role as a civic and cultural beacon, museum leaders say that they take $30 million off the city's books annually because the museum supports itself with essentially no city funds.

Will such arguments be enough for Orr, creditors or a bankruptcy judge? That's another puzzler for Rodin's thoughtful dreamer.

There are two issues that make this even more awkward for the DIA.  The first is that if the DIA were to sell any of it's artwork in order to pay off the city bonds it will lose its accreditation.  That will make it impossible for the DIA to get traveling exhibits, (and also make donors far less likely to support it.)  The second is, as noted in the article, the museum is supported largely by the residents of the neighboring counties.  The property tax increase to fund it was controversial and barely passed in the largely blue collar Macomb County.  Orr's arrangement would probably kill that deal.

I've donated money to the DIA in the past (as well as the Zoo and Historical Museum, both of which operate under the same scheme.)  Naturally I was upset when I first heard that their assets wouldn't be protected and that bankruptcy was likely; but I should have known that any money given to the city of Detroit or any of its entities will eventually be stolen.
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Post by: The Brain on June 30, 2013, 04:38:56 PM
Not reading long articles but can you legally hide assets in a bankruptcy?
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Post by: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
It's an interesting article.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on June 30, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
I could see some Russian making that Rodin into his mailbox holder.

OPULENCE I HAS IT
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Post by: Savonarola on July 02, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
QuoteDetroit merchants capitalizing on popularity of city's style
Laura Berman


Here it is: You can now buy stuff in Detroit. Especially in Midtown, where stores are opening faster than they were closing 20 years ago.

The opening of Shinola last Friday was a signal moment: The shop — with its gleaming concrete floors, rustic brick walls and self-assured aesthetic — pushes forward the idea of Detroit style in the way only a team of marketing geniuses from somewhere else could.

You can buy a gleaming $2,500 bicycle at Shinola, or a $550 Runwell watch, or a sleek set of colored pencils in a black metal box for $15. There are linen- and leather-covered journals, $75 leather cellphone cases, $99 cotton shirts. All of it has an earthy, rustic, authentic feel that echoes the way Detroit sees itself — raw, gritty, metal-smithy — and then polishes it, and stamps it with metal ID badges that attest to craftsmanship and uniqueness.

It's the Detroit that Sergio Marchionne reinvented with Chrysler's "Imported from Detroit" campaign — an assertion of authenticity and American craftsmanship as interpreted in watches with artisan-crafted leather bands and sleek but solid bicycles, leather goods and what Shinola President Jacques Panis refers to as "curated goods."

"We love Detroit," Panis said. "This is where Shinola's home is. ... We discovered that 'Built in Detroit' resonates more with people than 'Made in America.'"

Two years ago, you could joke when travel magazines talked about stores like Canfield's Nest and City Bird that there were no stores like those: Those were almost the only shops around. Now, those stores have actual neighbors, including both Hugh and Nora on Cass at Alexandrine, or The Peacock Room and Emerald on Woodward.

Within a few blocks, you can eat crepes or sushi or dim sum or (soon) tapas or Thai, or indulge in an elaborate feast at the Whitney.

Detroit's business districts are sharpening their focus at the very moment that Detroit's on the verge of bankruptcy: This is the first time in decades you could blindfold a tourist or two, drive them to Midtown and entertain with lunch and shopping, and all the accoutrements of urban life — Great Lakes Coffee, Avalon Bakery, the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Museum of Contemporary Art-Detroit — and make a convincing case for Detroit as a living, breathing city.

The high-end Shinola store, which deliberately uses its Detroit headquarters to impart authenticity, is sure to be a beacon for other retailers. For years, "Detroit" has been a slur of a city name. Out of the wreckage of what was once the city's most notorious neighborhood, it's beginning to stand for something else.


From The Detroit News

This might not sound like a lot to residents of a city less dysfunctional than Detroit, but there were only a couple dingy bars, ghetto Chinese restaurants and liquor stores in Midtown a decade ago.  The change came about, in part, because the city offered workers incentives to move to Midtown, and, in part, because the current incarnation of the city council and city bureaucracy isn't as able to stymie and delay progress while waiting for bribes as their predecessors.
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Post by: DGuller on July 02, 2013, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
You're nuts. The 401k is maybe the best thing our government created in the 20th century.  :huh:
As an investment vehicle, it's not bad.  I'm certainly doing very well with it.  As a social insurance vehicle, which is what pensions are supposed to be, it's a disaster.  In a few decades we'll have a huge class of retirees barely subsisting on their Social Security checks.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
Defined benefit employment linked pensions of the type we are discussing are not social insurance vehicles.  They pay out based on length of employment and amount of yearly salary.
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Post by: garbon on July 02, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 02, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
This might not sound like a lot to residents of a city less dysfunctional than Detroit, but there were only a couple dingy bars, ghetto Chinese restaurants and liquor stores in Midtown a decade ago.  The change came about, in part, because the city offered workers incentives to move to Midtown, and, in part, because the current incarnation of the city council and city bureaucracy isn't as able to stymie and delay progress while waiting for bribes as their predecessors.

Actually I've never been and that sounded pretty remarkable to me for Detroit. -_-
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Post by: Savonarola on July 02, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
Quote
Obama's Affordable Care Act could lift a financial burden off Detroit

By JC Reindl and Robin Erb

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers

As Detroit confronts a possible municipal bankruptcy, the forthcoming rollout of President Barack Obama's health care law could be the city's lucky break.

Emergency manager Kevyn Orr has proposed moving younger retired city workers who do not yet qualify for Medicare out of their city-sponsored health plans and into the new federal system, which takes full effect Jan. 1.

The city's Medicare-eligible retirees — generally those age 65 and older — also would give up their current coverage plans and switch over to Medicare.

Detroit is only the second major city, following Chicago, to propose shifting the financial burden of its retiree health care obligations to the new exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, anyone who lacks insurance can go shopping for coverage on state-run health care exchanges starting Oct. 1.

State government has refused to reveal the pricing on the plans to be offered, claiming the information is not yet public record. But Orr's office acknowledges that retiree benefits under both the Medicare and non-Medicare scenarios will be somewhat less generous than now.

Orr's spokesman, Bill Nowling, told the Free Press that the emergency manager's team believes it has the legal prerogative to unilaterally enact these changes to retiree health care.

If plans proceed, Detroit could be on the leading edge of a trend for cash-strapped local governments.

"I think this is an option that many other local and state governments are going to start looking at," said Alex Rosaen, a senior consultant at East Lansing-based Anderson Economic Group. "The main obstacle to doing this is seeing what the political and morale reaction is among the government workers."

But if enough governments and businesses opt to place their under-65 retirees onto the new Internet-based marketplaces, called state insurance exchanges, the prices of available policies could rise with the higher age of these shoppers, said Gary Claxton, vice president of California-based Kaiser Family Foundation, which tracks changes created by health care reform.

"Someone who is 60 is going to be more expensive than someone who is 35, even if their expenses are average for that age," Claxton said.

Orr's restructuring of retiree health care is projected to lower Detroit's bill for post-employment benefits from $185 million — about 15% of total city revenues — down to between $27.5 million and $40 million. The city would still devote some money for retiree health care because it would offer various monthly subsides for supplementing the new coverage.

The pre-Medicare group of retired workers — 7,585 of the total 19,389 — would join millions of consumers across the country who, lacking employer-sponsored health coverage or Medicaid eligibility, can start shopping in October for an individual policy.

Much like travel websites that compare airline tickets and hotel room prices, the online marketplace will allow individuals, families and business owners to sort through policies. Families and individuals would answer questions about their income to determine eligibility for tax credits or publicly-funded coverage through Medicaid.

But unlike shopping on Priceline or Travelocity, consumers may have to pay fines if they do not buy something on the exchange.

With just three months until the exchanges' launch date, the Obama administration is making a final push to get the marketplace operational and the word out to consumers.

A Government Accountability Office report warned last month that the exchanges might not be ready by October. But federal officials insist that they will make the deadline.

This week, the government relaunched www.healthcare.gov, a one-stop information center that will house Michigan's health insurance exchange.

"That's a really good sign. It shows that insurers are interested and are thinking that people are going to sign up," said Phillip Bergquist, director of operations for the Michigan Primary Care Association, a collection of health centers whose uninsured and under-insured patients may be able to find affordable coverage on the exchange.

As many as 14 policies in Michigan will offer a variety of rates and coverage levels.

There will be a sliding scale of federal subsidies for those whose annual family income falls between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level. The poverty level is currently $11,490 for a single adult and $23,550 for a family of four.

An additional 470,000 Michiganders who are currently uninsured but too poor to buy subsidized insurance on the exchanges could still get health care coverage, but only if the Republican-controlled state Legislature approves a Medicaid expansion for individuals whose income is between 100% and 133% of the poverty level.

State officials are still reviewing the 14 coverage proposals submitted this spring. Each plan must offer "essential health benefits," such as hospitalization, maternity and pediatric care, wellness care and prescription coverage.

So far, Orr's plan is not sitting well with many retirees, many of whom accepted lower salaries in exchange for good retirement benefits, according to Richard Mack, a lawyer for city unions.

"They didn't show up to work to do anything more than to earn a dollar and do the best job they could, and to deny them their compensation is deplorable," Mack said.

Last year, the bankrupt city of Stockton, Calif., dropped health coverage for all of its retirees. The city reached a settlement last month to pay 1,100 of them a $5.1-million lump sum, representing about 2% of the value of their lost benefits, according to news reports.

Health care centers and other organizations in Michigan will soon learn whether they qualify for federal funds to hire outreach workers and federally-trained navigators to help the public understand the online exchange.

The federal government will operate Michigan's exchange as a result of state lawmakers' decision to not appropriate grant money for a joint state/federal partnership. Michigan consumers will be talking to a national call center, for example, if they have questions about the coverage plans.

Previously the pensioners had a "Cadillac" plan and, at least until recently, didn't have to contribute a portion of their pension to that fund.  The schadenfreude of Republicans and the wailing and gnashing of teeth of Democrats over former union members being forced onto Obamacare on the Freep's forum is amusing.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 03, 2013, 10:04:15 AM
And here's how not to defuse a scandal:

QuoteIn texts, Pugh appears to beg teen's mom not to go public

Councilman asks teen's mom to stop TV interview

Detroit — As the City Council prepares to replace Charles Pugh, text messages reveal the council president pleaded with the mother of a teen he mentored to quash the airing of a TV interview he claimed would force his resignation and "destroy my chances of ever working in Detroit again."

"I feel like I've run out of options to even have a normal life. Or even live," said a text message sent from Pugh's phone on June 18.

The mother has accused Pugh of having an inappropriate relationship with her 18-year-old son through Pugh's leadership program at Frederick Douglass Academy and has threatened to sue. On Saturday, she filed a police report in Madison Heights, where she said an incident between the two occurred. She has declined to comment further, saying she wants police to investigate.

The Detroit News obtained the text messages from a source close to the mother and confirmed through another source that it was once Pugh's phone number. The number is now disconnected.

Pugh's staff said Tuesday he still was not in and they were unsure who, if anyone, from the office would be speaking on his behalf. They were also unaware whether Pugh had retained an attorney. He has not been seen at City Hall for about two weeks.

In other texts, Pugh appears to tells the mother that the media will "pit you against me on TV FOR RATINGS!"

"I've ended the program at (Frederick Douglass Academy)," the text message said. "I'll do anything else you want me to do. Please don't allow them to move forward with your interview. This would DESTROY me."

He also appears to tell her how the story will play out.

"I don't know that we should do this to boost their ratings and give them more money," according to the text. "Can we please talk? ... I can meet y'all somewhere for dinner. Maybe we can go to church together on Sunday and pray together."

Meanwhile, City Council put off electing new leadership until Tuesday's formal session. Members said they want a written recommendation from the city's law department about how to replace Pugh.

The council also will choose a new president pro tem to replace Gary Brown, who resigned last week to take a $225,000-a-year job on Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr's restructuring team.

Councilman Andre Spivey said after Tuesday's meeting he's looking forward to closure to get past what's become a "side distraction" to conducting city business.

"One might say it's a bit of a distraction," Spivey said of the continued absence, which comes after Pugh's $76,000 salary, duties and title were stripped last week by Orr.

As of Tuesday, Pugh had not submitted a resignation to the council or City Clerk's offices, staffers said.

Council member Brenda Jones, who requested the legal opinion about how to proceed with replacing Pugh, said she wants to proceed cautiously.

"He was elected by the people, by the charter, that indicated the person with the highest vote would be the president," Jones said. "He has not resigned to this date. I still have a concern of just stripping him from his presidency." "

Madison Heights Police Lt. Robert Anderson said detectives began investigating the report on Monday that alleges "inappropriate contact" between Pugh and the teen in a parking lot between May 29 and 31. The boy's mother and her attorneys have said that Pugh and the teen met in September, when he was 17.

Anderson said Tuesday that police have not yet scheduled an interview with the teen and did not have any additional information.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130702/METRO01/307020075#ixzz2XzjaYuw9

Now no one has ever accused Pugh of being a political genius, but he should have learned from Kwame's scandals not to text embarrassing information.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 04, 2013, 06:40:15 AM
Will the Bankers hearts go three sizes next Wednesday?

QuoteStephen Henderson: Kevyn Orr to load bankers in a bus, show them Detroit's worst neighborhoods
12:04 AM, July 4, 2013   

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Orr's bus route will take the bankers through Brightmoor, where hundreds of abandoned homes and businesses populate gap-toothed blocks that used to teem with residential and commercial activity. / Andre J. Jackson/Detroit Free Press file photo

By Stephen Henderson

Detroit Free Press Editorial Page Editor


Detroit emergency manager Kevyn Orr will load a group of about 25 bankers on a city bus next Wednesday, and lead them on a tour of some of Detroit's most desperately blighted areas. / Eric Seals/Detroit Free Press


Detroit emergency manager Kevyn Orr, locked in a tense standoff with creditors whom he has asked to accept a fraction of the $11.4 billion they're owed, will load a group of about 25 bankers on a city bus next Wednesday, and lead them on a tour of some of Detroit's most desperately blighted areas.

They'll start downtown at Grand River Avenue, and travel out to Brightmoor, where hundreds of abandoned homes and businesses populate gap-toothed blocks that used to teem with residential and commercial activity. Then the tour might also cut across 7 Mile to the east side, and come back down Gratiot, a hollowed thoroughfare that runs through the 48205 ZIP code, which led the city in shootings and homicides in 2011.

The idea? To prick the consciences of the city's creditors, and raise some empathy capital with them in hopes that they'll avoid forcing Detroit into bankruptcy.

"If they can see what it's like for Detroiters, what they endure every day in this city, I think they'll begin to understand what's at stake," Orr said after an interview he gave during a taping of the Detroit Public Television show "MiWeek." (I cohost the show with broadcaster Christy McDonald and Detroit News Editorial Page Editor Nolan Finley.)

"Imagine what it's like to be a mother riding that bus with no air-conditioning, that shows up late and takes an hour and a half to get you where you need to go. See what these neighborhoods look like, what you travel through and go home to every day. I think people don't really believe it when I describe it. Even my friends in Washington say it can't be as dire as what I'm describing. But it is."

Orr said if the creditors don't take the deal he has offered, the city's conditions — the blight, the lack of services, the profound deterioration of once-thriving neighborhoods — could get worse. "I need them to see that up-close," he said.

All of the city's creditors — which include institutions like Bank of America and Financial Guaranty Insurance — were invited to take the tour. Orr spokesman Bill Nowling said Wednesday that he expected about 25 to participate.

The leverage Orr is seeking here could be key in his negotiations to avoid having Detroit file the largest municipal bankruptcy in history.

Last month, he laid out a plan to shave billions off what the city owes most of its creditors and redirect the money Detroit spends servicing its huge debt toward service enhancement. It was the first time in my memory that any leader in Detroit has suggested putting residents' needs first — before the interests of the banks or, for that matter, the public employees whose costs have also drained city coffers.

Orr stopped paying the city's unsecured creditors in mid-June, and would like to settle their $11.4 billion in claims with about $2 billion.

The municipal finance markets have reacted quite coolly to Orr's offer, principally because of how he has defined which creditors are unsecured.

In most municipal restructurings, banks and investors who have issued general obligation bonds on behalf of a government (money cities typically use for capital investments like infrastructure) are considered secured, and given preferential treatment in payouts. But Orr has said because their security interest is tax revenue, and Detroit is at its maximum allowable tax rate, those debts are unsecured, at least in Detroit's case.

According to an article in the Bond Buyer, a trade publication that tracks municipal finance issues, some creditors fear that if Detroit can reclassify general obligation bondholders as unsecured, it could set a precedent for other cities and send financial shock waves throughout the municipal bond market.

So Orr has some real convincing to do if he's going to have his way, and his tour is a pretty bold stab at putting Detroit's financial woes into important context.

"There are other cities with these problems, yes, but there's nothing like what we're facing in Detroit," Orr said. "I don't think you can consider this a precedent because of the depth of the problems here. It's just different."

Will a tour be enough? It's definitely unconventional. Creditors, typically, are about money. We owe it; they want us to pay it. They answer to investors, who are concerned with returns.

But I also think the reality that Orr wants them to see is a shocker. Those of us who live here have become inured to what it's like to drive through the city's neighborhoods for the first time; the conditions you can find in any urban center, but the depth and breadth of it? Nowhere else.

Orr said he hopes the creditors start to see the connection between the debt they're owed and the survival of residents. "I hope they start to see that no city should be like this," he said. "Not in America.

For the average Detroiter it's hard not to think of the Yeats' line:

No likely end could bring them loss   
Or leave them happier than before.


With regards to a bailout, a deal with creditors or a bankruptcy.  For this reason I don't think Orr's tactic here will work any better than trying to scare the bankers into taking pennies on the dollar.  If this is how the city looks after years of living beyond its means, how will it look after Orr forces them to live within their means?  Is bankruptcy going to be that much worse?

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Post by: Savonarola on July 05, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
QuotePlenty of places to shock Detroit creditors on bus tour

Laura Berman

Kevyn Orr arrived in Detroit three months ago, clear-eyed, focused and radiating certainty: He could, he would convince creditors and unions to understand, and to agree, on a settlement that avoids bankruptcy.

Now he's betting that his Wednesday city bus tour of Detroit can jolt hard-nosed creditors out of balky reluctance and into accepting his offer of a settlement: More or less, 10 cents on the dollar. Call it Orr's Inferno.

His itinerary isn't public yet but its intent is clear: This isn't your Chamber of Commerce or D-Hive bus tour of cute shops, 1930s Art Deco architecture or the splendor of the Riverwalk. This tour is meant to convince Detroit's hapless lenders that the city's coffers of wealth are few and untouchable (see the Detroit Institute of Arts) but its sources of tsuris (trouble/suffering in Yiddish) are endless.

There will be no spin through DanGilbertville, with its Ping-Pong tables in the park and its youthful work force of international brainiacs, urban visionaries and mortgage peddlers. No lunch at the Rattlesnake Club or drinks at the Whitney. No docent tour of the DIA.

Instead of showcasing the city's assets, most contained within a few square miles, he's likely to pilot that bus to the outer 130 — to jolt these gimlet-eyed bankers into the unique reality of Detroit. Every city has abandoned buildings, but only Detroit has 70,000 of them. Here, then, are a few suggestions for a shock-and-awe tour of Detroit that skips the niceties.

1. Load the bus in the afternoon, so the shadows grow long, highlighting the lack of street lighting. Then head for Brightmoor, one of Detroit's notorious neighborhoods, where an ambitious blight-clearing project has pushed aside a wall of trash symbolizing the enormity of the task ahead.

2. Head east on Gratiot to Grandy Street, one of hundreds of Detroit streets with expensive new wheelchair ramps that lead to nowhere. The curbs are wheelchair accessible; the sidewalks are mostly impassable, choked with weeds, fallen trees and broken concrete. The surrounding area is largely vacant.

3. Chat with citizens. Start with Leola Wesley, who paid $810 in city taxes last year for the privilege of living next to vacant lots and burned-out streetlights. Last year, she was the only resident on her block near Chalmers who paid any city taxes. She's a taxpaying rarity in a city where almost half the owners of the city's 305,000 properties didn't bother to pay their taxes in 2012, as News reporters Christine MacDonald and Mike Wilkinson revealed in February. The numbers shocked Gov. Rick Snyder, who appointed Emergency Manager Orr soon after.

4. Hit the road and keep driving, from Mt. Elliott to Jefferson, across Van Dyke, from the sulphurous bowels of Delray to the post-industrial world of Warren at Livernois. Let them see grass that's taller than Iowa corn, mountains of tires strewn in empty lots, packs of wild dogs, stands of wild pheasants. Most of all, let them see the scale of Detroit, a city like no other, in all of its contradictions and heartbreaking disrepair.

They're bankers; this isn't about heart — it's strictly an appeal to the head.

Finally, take them to the DIA and Slows — so they can't say you're a withholder — and let them loosen their ties or kick off their pumps. Over a Cass Ave. Amber Ale, in the flickering light, let them at last consider how resourceful and generous you are to offer even 10 cents on the dollar.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130705/METRO01/307050036#ixzz2YBv0rabg

If I wanted to show someone the real Detroit, I'd show them Zug Island:

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I went to graduate school at Wayne State, about five miles from there.  On the upper floors of the library one could usually see a pillar of orange flame billowing from the island.  It must have been at least 30 ft. (10 m) tall.  Unfortunately Zug Island is privately owned and Sauron doesn't let just anyone visit.   :(

Delray is a good choice too.  One of my brother's co-workers (when he was as Agricultural Inspector at the Ambassador Bridge) described it as the only place he's ever seen someone smoking crack in broad daylight.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 09, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
Alea iacta est

Quote
Tom Walsh: Will Detroit go bankrupt? Orr says the answer may already be in the cards
 
By Tom Walsh

Detroit Free Press Business Columnist

Kevyn Orr, Detroit's emergency manager, told the city's nine Financial Advisory Board (FAB) members Monday that he wants them to remain in place for quite a while as an oversight body after he leaves town in 15 months.

But Orr, showing flashes of irritation and impatience with creditors and labor unions, also declared that by the next FAB meeting Aug. 19, it may already be crystal clear whether Detroit's about to become the largest American city to enter Chapter 9 bankruptcy.

"To be honest with you," Orr said, "I'm not going to spend much more time" rehashing scary numbers and jousting with creditors such as Syncora Guarantee, a debt insurer Orr sued last week for trying to trap casino tax payments to the city. "The die are cast, the game has begun."

When I asked Orr if he expected to decide by mid-August about a Chapter 9 filing, he replied, "I think that's fair. I will know. Whether or not we'll have gone (into bankruptcy by then), is another issue — but I will know whether or not that is the path we may have to choose.

"I don't really see the value in spending a whole lot of time going back and forth. The situation is dire," he said. "Our obligations continue to increase ... That's why I keep saying I'm running out of time. I've got to start calculating even now an exit strategy and a calendar for what it's going to take for me to get this done if I do have to have a (bankruptcy filing). I can't afford to waste another 30, 60, 90 days — so yes, this week is pretty crucial."

The FAB, chaired by banking executive Sandy Pierce, was formed in April 2012 to oversee the Financial Stability Agreement between the State of Michigan and the City of Detroit. The appointment of Orr as a high-powered EM in March raised questions about the future role and responsibilities of the FAB, as it did with Detroit's mayor and other elected officials.

Orr told the FAB board Monday that he wants it to remain in place well after his 18-month term as EM ends, citing as an example the longevity of the Municipal Assistance Corp., formed to shepherd New York City through a financial crisis in the 1970s. The MAC was in place from 1976 to 2008, in part linked to the 30-year life of bonds issued as part of that rescue.

Orr doesn't think the FAB needs to exist in Detroit that long. Pierce said he expects to work with the FAB on a revision of the fiscal turnaround priorities in the 2012 stability agreement.

Former City Council President Pro Tem Gary Brown, who joined Orr's office as Detroit's chief compliance officer last week, addressed the FAB briefly Monday, saying his role will chiefly be to upgrade the internal controls, training and level of service provided by city departments.

"There's been no investment in our people, no investment in our processes, no investment in our technology," Brown said, citing the past weekend's failure of police and EMS dispatching communications as a result.

FAB member Glenda Price, former president of Marygrove College, voiced the exasperation of fellow FAB members and many a Detroiter when she said, "These deficiencies have been identified in the past. We identify problems, but we never fix them!"

Whatever one thinks of Orr or the emergency manager law, Detroit's revival will ultimately depend on reversing the decades of dysfunction that have led to Price's plaintive cry.

Whether it's Orr or Gov. Rick Snyder or a bankruptcy judge or the next elected Detroit mayor that calls the short-term shots, it will be the long-term follow-through that counts.

Ambac Assurance has just issued a statement saying they oppose Orr's plan to treat general obligation bondholders the same as unsecured creditors.  Bankruptcy seems to be inevitable.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 26, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
You're nuts. The 401k is maybe the best thing our government created in the 20th century.  :huh:

Perhaps for the small percentage of the population with both the wealth and the financial knowledge to use them effectively. As a matter of social policy - to support the population in retirement- it is grossly inadequate; relying on it is basically a recipe for disaster.

... at least according to the pension actuaries I've spoken to on the subject.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 02, 2013, 12:39:32 PMAs an investment vehicle, it's not bad.  I'm certainly doing very well with it.  As a social insurance vehicle, which is what pensions are supposed to be, it's a disaster.  In a few decades we'll have a huge class of retirees barely subsisting on their Social Security checks.

I hadn't even read your post when I posted my reply, but yeah... exactly.
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Post by: derspiess on July 09, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 03:45:39 PM
Perhaps for the small percentage of the population with both the wealth and the financial knowledge to use them effectively.

Wow, I'm in an elite group of wealthy, financially knowledgeable people & didn't know it!  :showoff:
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
Defined benefit employment linked pensions of the type we are discussing are not social insurance vehicles.  They pay out based on length of employment and amount of yearly salary.
As a whole retirement relies on Benefit Plans + Social Security + Savings.

In the last few decades there's been a large scale transfer from DB to DC plans, transferring significant risk to individuals.

A DB plan is not the same as social security, no. But pension legislation and regulation is social policy, the purpose of which is to act as a social insurance vehicle for the population and provide adequate retirement for the population as a whole. American policy on that front - with the transition to DC over DB (and the ability of individuals to access and lose the DC plan contents prior to retirement) means that huge swathes of Americans who traditionally were not of a social class who would end up in poverty on retirement are going to do so now.

Turning pensions into a primarily individual responsibility may be ideologically sound, and it may have done wonders for the economy (I don't know if it has); but as a matter of economic reality it has left the majority of Americans in the lurch when it comes to their retirement.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 09, 2013, 04:02:36 PMWow, I'm in an elite group of wealthy, financially knowledgeable people & didn't know it!  :showoff:

You do now :)
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Post by: garbon on July 09, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
Turning pensions into a primarily individual responsibility may be ideologically sound, and it may have done wonders for the economy (I don't know if it has); but as a matter of economic reality it has left the majority of Americans in the lurch when it comes to their retirement.

Well many are also in the lurch when their company disappears or can't afford to pay out the pensions.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
Jacob: if I'm reading your post correctly, your biggest beef with DC plans seems to be the ability to take money out and spend it before retirement.
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Post by: DGuller on July 09, 2013, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
Jacob: if I'm reading your post correctly, your biggest beef with DC plans seems to be the ability to take money out and spend it before retirement.
I don't think you are, if I'm reading Jacob's post correctly.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2013, 04:59:10 PMWell many are also in the lurch when their company disappears or can't afford to pay out the pensions.

Then the DB plans have been terribly designed and managed to the point of either gross incompetence or fraud.

A properly run DB plan is adequately funded and managed and does not rely significantly on the continued success of the company. Now, if interest rates and regulatory change means there's a shortfall in assets compared to liabilities, and the company is unable or unwilling to cover that, then members should expect to see a decrease in benefits (unless there's a properly managed guarantee scheme in place to backstop them, of course).

But if DB plans are subject disastrous wipeouts due to company bankruptcy then either they've been terribly designed and managed, the relevant regulation is a complete shambles, and/ or significant fraud is involved.

Yes, DB plans are expensive all told (and that's an argument against them in some contexts), but if they rely on the company being a going concern they're basically failures.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2013, 06:33:27 PM
Smells like communism, Xiacob.  And that shit just don't float in this toilet of a forum.
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Post by: DGuller on July 09, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
:yes: Very good point being driven here, Jacob.  Your wife educates you well.  :) 

Unfortunately, her older colleagues are partly to blame, since they went along with with assumptions they should've known were utterly unrealistic, and that resulted in pension plans being significantly underfunded.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
Jacob: if I'm reading your post correctly, your biggest beef with DC plans seems to be the ability to take money out and spend it before retirement.

No, my big beef with DC plans is that they move previously distributed risk to individuals without compensating for that risk transfer in any way - financially, legislatively, or otherwise - and in the majority of cases the individuals lack the basic skills to manage that risk.

It's a recipe for disaster. You'll be seeing (or not seeing, if they're out of sight - but they'll still be there) a much greater proportion of old people in poverty in the coming decades. Of course, there'll be narratives constructed that it's their own fault, that it's the result of unavoidable economic realities, that this newer higher proportion isn't actually any higher, and so on and so forth; but the fact is that it will be due to deliberate policy choices that predictably will have these outcomes.

The ability to withdraw funds from DC plans is part of the overall situation, of course, and it plays into a larger picture of financial pressure on Americans, but ultimately it is just one piece of the picture.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
:yes: Very good point being driven here, Jacob.  Your wife educates you well.  :) 

:hug:

QuoteUnfortunately, her older colleagues are partly to blame, since they went along with with assumptions they should've known were utterly unrealistic, and that resulted in pension plans being significantly underfunded.

Well... not her specific older colleagues. I believe the situation is significantly less fucked up in Canada. I mean, there's definitely a move towards DC over DB plans, and it's somewhat problematic, but I don't think it's being driven nearly as hard as in the US we don't have the shambolic mismanagement and design (and regulatory schemes?) of DB plans which seems to be a feature of the US plans.

And we have Medicare, the lack of which puts additional pressure on Americans planning for retirement (though Obamacare may help that, I'm not sure).
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
No, my big beef with DC plans is that they move previously distributed risk to individuals without compensating for that risk transfer in any way - financially, legislatively, or otherwise - and in the majority of cases the individuals lack the basic skills to manage that risk.

Sure they do.  You gain upside potential that you don't have with a DB plan.

Your comment about inability to manage risk suggests to me you think people can wheel and deal options and futures and other zero sum derivatives.  You can't.  You get a finite list of vetted investment funds.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 09, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
Turning pensions into a primarily individual responsibility may be ideologically sound, and it may have done wonders for the economy (I don't know if it has); but as a matter of economic reality it has left the majority of Americans in the lurch when it comes to their retirement.

Well many are also in the lurch when their company disappears or can't afford to pay out the pensions.

Corporate pensions are insured, at least up to a point.  Government pensions usually are not; which is why this such a big issue for Detroit.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
No, my big beef with DC plans is that they move previously distributed risk to individuals without compensating for that risk transfer in any way - financially, legislatively, or otherwise - and in the majority of cases the individuals lack the basic skills to manage that risk.

Sure they do.  You gain upside potential that you don't have with a DB plan.

Potential upside is a component of risk, it is not inherently compensation for it. Turning that over to the individual may be ideologically sound, but it is directly counter to the purpose of a pension, which is to provide security in retirement. Now, DC plans can be (and are) definitely part of the picture in planning for retirement, but "potential upside" is no good to the people who were unwise or unlucky enough not to experience it.

QuoteYour comment about inability to manage risk suggests to me you think people can wheel and deal options and futures and other zero sum derivatives.  You can't.  You get a finite list of vetted investment funds.

The degree to which you can make choices and the education required to make them appropriately is separate from the fact that with a DC plan you assume the risk for those choices and the market in general, whereas with a DB plan you do not.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
OK, I take your point about assuming risk.  However, DB plans, especially the public non-insured variety, carry their own type of risk, as Detroit employees are finding out.

DC plans possess other advantages over DB plans: money already paid out can't be renegotiated, and you don't have to vest for X years before you're eligible.  You spend one day on the job, that 401k money is your private property.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
You spend one day on the job, that 401k money is your private property.

Which you're actually loaning out to somebody else to gamble with in the meantime. 

But hey, I haven't tossed in an OCCUPY STRONG shitcock slogan yet today.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Which you're actually loaning out to somebody else to gamble with in the meantime. 

You don't have to put it in a bond fund.  You could purchase equities instead.
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Post by: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 09, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
OK, I take your point about assuming risk.  However, DB plans, especially the public non-insured variety, carry their own type of risk, as Detroit employees are finding out.

The Detroit situation is a profoundly shocking example of mismanagement and irresponsible policy decisions. If it's anything other than some rare constellation of incompetence and malfeance and rather an indication of a system wide weakness, then the pension situation in the US is pretty dire indeed.

QuoteDC plans possess other advantages over DB plans: money already paid out can't be renegotiated, and you don't have to vest for X years before you're eligible.  You spend one day on the job, that 401k money is your private property.

There are definitely advantages to DC plans over DB plans, absolutely; and both have their role in good pension policy. No doubt about it. What I'm saying is that the wholesale shift away from DB to DC plans on a systemic level is going to leave a lot of losers in the next decades, especially combined with the apparently thoroughly incompetent regulatory framework set up for DB plans. Somewhere along the way, someone pulled a few fast ones, and the members of DB plans were basically robbed like a bunch of Hungarian beet-farmers.

... but yeah... I guess if the overall DB picture is a dire as the Detroit City worker's situation seems to indicate, I guess DC plans look more attractive individually since they're not going to disappear from under you. You make a good point on that. But that's basically down to someone breaking the DB plans and fucking them over, because that's not how you properly manage DB plans.

But holy fuck what a mess. There's going to be some unpleasant chickens coming home to roost on that one (barring major overhauls and backstopping - which seems unlikely - or a massive expansion of Social Security or equivalent schemes).
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 09, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Corporate pensions are insured, at least up to a point.  Government pensions usually are not; which is why this such a big issue for Detroit.

Though apparently the PBGC is in a pretty shitty situation too, with rates being set by Congress and the PBGC being prohibited from differentiating between plans. They have - according to wikipedia - $102B in liabilities against $79B in assets. Not a very sound set up, it seems.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 10, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 07:20:49 PMwith a DC plan you assume the risk for those choices and the market in general, whereas with a DB plan you do not.

Somebody does. You better trust that person. And hope his name isn't Hoffa or that he isn't a Greek politician.
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 12:51:31 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 10, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 09, 2013, 07:20:49 PMwith a DC plan you assume the risk for those choices and the market in general, whereas with a DB plan you do not.

Somebody does. You better trust that person. And hope his name isn't Hoffa or that he isn't a Greek politician.

I happily live in a country where the regulatory framework is rather solid and consistently removed from partisan battle. I mean, it's not as if the way to fund and maintain a DB plan is a mystery; but yeah, you do need someone to keep the plans protected against political raids and fraud.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 01:08:11 AM
How common are DB plans in Canada?
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Post by: Barrister on July 10, 2013, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 01:08:11 AM
How common are DB plans in Canada?

I have one. :)

But I think our experience mirrors the US - few private sector DB plans these days.
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 09:49:53 AM
Yeah, there used to be some single employer FB plans but most of them no longer enroll new members (because they're too expensive, generally). If you have a DB plan, you're either a gov't employee or in a union, or both.

The same trend and trouble coming down the road due to the wholesafe shift away from DB towards DC applies on Canada (and elsewhere, where the same trend applies).
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Post by: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 10:15:22 AM
What does it mean for a DB plan to be "too expensive"?  Are administrative costs atrocious?  Or is it "expensive" because of the level of benefits it provides to retirees?  If it's the second, then isn't a switch to DC just a hidden way to reduce retiree benefits and/or increase the risk of retiree benefits, under the guise of giving people choice and control?
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 10, 2013, 11:25:10 AM
The managers charge too much overhead a lot of the time. In an age of no-load mutual funds that shit just doesn't fly anymore.
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 10:15:22 AM
What does it mean for a DB plan to be "too expensive"?  Are administrative costs atrocious?  Or is it "expensive" because of the level of benefits it provides to retirees?

The expense (as I understand it, this is all second hand :) ) are down to a few factors:

- the administrative overhead is higher, for sure
- the benefits themselves are typically more expensive
- the company (or rather the fund) has to spend time and money to ensure compliance with regulatory schemes, which are more complex than for DC plans (at least if it's not to be poorly managed and thus basically pointless).
- there's more risk on the employer, which carries a cost to manage

QuoteIf it's the second, then isn't a switch to DC just a hidden way to reduce retiree benefits and/or increase the risk of retiree benefits, under the guise of giving people choice and control?

Basically, yes.

It seems to me that the dynamic is that employers have made savings by passing off the risks to employees; but while on the employers side it's (rightly) seen as a significant savings, it's been sold to employees as cost-neutral choice and control. But yeah, it has a price.

... I didn't realize I had so much to say about pensions until this thread  :huh:
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 10:15:22 AM
What does it mean for a DB plan to be "too expensive"?  Are administrative costs atrocious?  Or is it "expensive" because of the level of benefits it provides to retirees?  If it's the second, then isn't a switch to DC just a hidden way to reduce retiree benefits and/or increase the risk of retiree benefits, under the guise of giving people choice and control?

The main expense of DB plans, at least in Canada, is making sure the plan is sufficiently funded to provide the benefits defined in the plan.  Back in the day when these things were first created and the number of workers far outnumbered the numbers expected to be given the benefits these costs were not very signficant.  But over time, as life spans increased and numbers of new workers declined, it became a signficant issue.  Iirc sometime in the late 80s and then into the 90s alarm bells were being sounded all over Corporate Canada that DB plans were becoming underfunded and unsustainable.  A great deal of litigation ensued as companies made the transition from DB to DC plans.  Its a complex area of the law but the upshot of all of that was that the beneficiaries of the DB plans were given a kind of superpriority over the assets which should have been used to fund the DB plan.

And so we come to the situation today where there are very few private sector DB plans left.  Government, at all levels, still have them.  Which is a bone of contention for people who complain about "gold plated" government pensions.

Looking at the issue in Detroit, very briefly, it seems that similar protections are not afforded to DB plan members in the US - or at least that State.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
It seems to me that the dynamic is that employers have made savings by passing off the risks to employees; but while on the employers side it's (rightly) seen as a significant savings, it's been sold to employees as cost-neutral choice and control. But yeah, it has a price.... I didn't realize I had so much to say about pensions until this thread  :huh:

I am not aware of this being the case.  In all the situations of which I am aware employees (both unionized and otherwise) have been expressly told that it is a question of affordability.  DB plans have simply become too expensive and risky for private sector businesses to fund.
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Post by: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
I don't see how the ratio of workers to retirees matters for pre-funded DBs.  DBs are not funded by pay-as-you-go system, current workers are not paying current retirees.  Current retirees are paid from investments into the pension fund when they were working.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
I don't see how the ratio of workers to retirees matters for pre-funded DBs.  DBs are not funded by pay-as-you-go system, current workers are not paying current retirees.  Current retirees are paid from investments into the pension fund when they were working.

And what happens when the investments from contributions doesnt cover the benefits because the amount of benefits have increased due to longer life spans and the amount of contributions declines from the numbers the plans had assumed?  There is only one payor left....

edit: I suppose we could shoot all the actuaries that thought this wouldn't be a problem. :hmm:
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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 10, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
edit: I suppose we could shoot all the actuaries that thought this wouldn't be a problem. :hmm:

You really want to set a precedent for culling people based on occupation? :yeahright:
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Post by: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
And what happens when the investments from contributions doesnt cover the benefits because the amount of benefits have increased due to longer life spans and the amount of contributions declines from the numbers the plans had assumed?  There is only one payor left....

edit: I suppose we could shoot all the actuaries that thought this wouldn't be a problem. :hmm:
None of the reasons you cite are the inherent high costs.  They're all miscalculations.  Obviously defined benefit plans would be expensive if you intentionally or unintentionally underfunded them in the past, because now you have to fund them for both the current workers and the past workers, but that's just a sign of badly designed DB plan.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 10, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
edit: I suppose we could shoot all the actuaries that thought this wouldn't be a problem. :hmm:

You really want to set a precedent for culling people based on occupation? :yeahright:

I got nothing to lose there.  Just want some company.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
And what happens when the investments from contributions doesnt cover the benefits because the amount of benefits have increased due to longer life spans and the amount of contributions declines from the numbers the plans had assumed?  There is only one payor left....

edit: I suppose we could shoot all the actuaries that thought this wouldn't be a problem. :hmm:
None of the reasons you cite are the inherent high costs.  They're all miscalculations. 

Ok, however you want to define your terms, it costs too much and it is too risky to have defined benefit plans because people in your profession are not infallable. 
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Post by: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:10:54 PM
Ok, however you want to define your terms, it costs too much and it is too risky to have defined benefit plans because people in your profession are not infallable.
It's debatable whether pension actuaries screwed up, or just gave in to the people paying their salaries who really had incentives to under-fund their plans, but I agree that they are partly responsible for the DB mess (and I said as much earlier in this thread).  The stated reason for subjecting actuarial students to actuarial exam hazing process is that our society can't afford to put its trust on just any Joe Blow's opinion on the adequacy of some actuarial projection.  Well, that logic hasn't really proven itself when it comes to DB plans, has it?
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Post by: Barrister on July 10, 2013, 12:27:58 PM
I thought the "problem" with defined benefit pensions wasn't that actuaries screwed up in calculating how much money would be needed, but because bad assumptions were made about how much money pension investments would make over time.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 10, 2013, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 10, 2013, 12:27:58 PM
I thought the "problem" with defined benefit pensions wasn't that actuaries screwed up in calculating how much money would be needed, but because bad assumptions were made about how much money pension investments would make over time.

There were a number of poor assumptions.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 10, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
Another landmark lost  :(

QuoteMalice Green shrine demolished

Neal Rubin

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.detnews.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DC3%26amp%3BDate%3D20130710%26amp%3BCategory%3DMETRO01%26amp%3BArtNo%3D307100025%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D640%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BMalice-Green-shrine-demolished&hash=78c74ab100d2532b9e145ef201347802a4d8bb10)

A retouched mural of Malice Green still dominated the graffiti-marked and deteriorating facade of the memorial site on West Warren at 23rd last week. (Ray Stanczak/The Detroit News)

The building stood for two decades as an unofficial shrine to Malice Green, and Al Jones couldn't understand why it had been turned to rubble.

"I would have liked to see it be saved," he said, but this is Detroit, where nothing lasts for long except ill will and legend. So one of the city's grittiest landmarks was a pile of cinder blocks and jagged planks Tuesday, and Jones was standing on the fringes of it with a crowbar and a hammer, salvaging bricks to sell for 8 cents apiece.

The city can't yet say why the storefront at West Warren and 23rd was leveled Monday, or whether it was a sanctioned demolition.  The property manager, if you can describe an empty shell as being managed, was surprised to learn the structure no longer exists.

It's the circle of life, Detroit style. On Nov. 5, 1992, Green, a 34-year-old habitual crack user, was pulled over by two police officers. When he refused to show them the vial clenched in his hand, they struck him in the head repeatedly with their heavy flashlights. On the way to the hospital, he died.

Now here was Jones, 54, soaked in sweat and caked in dust, knocking the mortar from a brick and tossing it onto a pile. "It helps out an unemployed person," he said, meaning himself. "Puts something on the table for the kids."

Green was unemployed, too. Once a steelworker, he had become someone you'd pretend not to see. Then in death, he became a martyr. After his raggedy car was towed away and his blood was washed from the sidewalk, the closest marker was the storefront, and that's where a dreadlocked artist named Bennie White began painting Green's portrait five days after the beating.

White, who liked to call himself Bennie White Ethiopia Israel, retouched the painting frequently over the years, once when someone painted "KKK" across it. Others added inscriptions to the facade; at the base of the second story, well above the artwork, was the warning, "When you take someone's life you forfeit your own!"

The manager of Jazzie's 100% Hand Car Wash, just across 23rd from the shrine and the vacant lot on the corner, said motorists frequently pulled over in front of the building.

"They took pictures," said Marcus, who doesn't use his last name. He'd seen large enough turnouts every Nov. 5 that he knew without checking it was the anniversary.

For those who saw Green as a victim of police aggression, the date was important. For those who saw the police officers as political chum tossed to the sharks, the remembrances were grating.

Mayor Coleman Young declared on television that Green was "literally murdered by police." Among the movies shown to sequestered jurors was "Malcolm X," which opens with footage of the Rodney King beating in Los Angeles.

The trials of officers Larry Nevers, and Walter Budzyn, long since released, were clearly compromised. But Nevers, who died in February, and Budzyn were convicted again on retrial, both of involuntary manslaughter — a verdict that managed to anger partisans on both sides.

The divide only widened with the years, and in the middle of it stood the storefront. While nearby abandoned buildings were burned or crushed, it remained untouched, whether out of respect or random chance.

Sometime Monday, its number came up. The portrait is nowhere to be seen; it might be buried, or early scavengers might have carried away its broken pieces.

Ross Miller of Dearborn, a photographer who builds pathways at his home from pieces of Detroit flotsam, pulled to the same curb Monday that Malice Green did.

He found a chunk of wall that bore the date of the officers' original convictions and loaded it into the back of his Volvo station wagon. "Do you see any pieces with his face on it?" he asked.

Around back, Jones and two colleagues weren't being so selective. One of them backed up to a gap in a stand of trees in a blue Ford pickup with a wooden tailgate, and they began tossing bricks into the bed.

There will most likely be fury when word spreads that the shrine has been demolished. But on a steamy Detroit afternoon amid the settling dust, there was only opportunity.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130710/METRO01/307100025#ixzz2YfWL3fIj

This happened around the time of the LA Riots.  Coleman Young's statements, highlighted above, were made before the investigation into the incident began.  He also warned of riots in Detroit it the "Wrong" verdict was reached in the trial.
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Post by: The Minsky Moment on July 10, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 10, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
  Obviously defined benefit plans would be expensive if you intentionally or unintentionally underfunded them in the past, because now you have to fund them for both the current workers and the past workers, but that's just a sign of badly designed DB plan.

Or it could be a sign of unanticipated changes in interest rates.
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Post by: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 10, 2013, 06:30:17 PMOr it could be a sign of unanticipated changes in interest rates.

Yeah, as I understand it - and I'm getting to the limit of my second-hand knowledge here - a lot of the problems DB plans have been facing, at least in Canada, is that the regulations require plans to have very high asset levels vs liabilities to be in compliance due to the very low interest rates, making them more expensive than they needed to. There's some movement to address that at the moment and take some of that pressure off.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
Yeah, as I understand it - and I'm getting to the limit of my second-hand knowledge here - a lot of the problems DB plans have been facing, at least in Canada, is that the regulations require plans to have very high asset levels vs liabilities to be in compliance due to the very low interest rates, making them more expensive than they needed to. There's some movement to address that at the moment and take some of that pressure off.

Only way you can do that is to raise interest rates.
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Post by: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 06:47:33 PMThere's some movement to address that at the moment and take some of that pressure off.

Only way you can do that is to raise interest rates.

No, not at all. You can also change the way solvency liability is calculated (and that is in fact the remedy that's being implemented).

Most DB plans (Canadian ones at least) have more than enough funds to remain a going concern (i.e. continue to pay out pensions to its members) when comparing assets vs liabilities. This calculation does depend on the interest rate, but a broader band of assumptions can be used.

However, when calculating solvency liability (i.e. whether enough money is on hand to right now to wind the plan up) a different calculation is used, and the impact of low interest rates is much greater resulting in a much higher (and onerous) asset requirement.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 10, 2013, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 06:58:02 PM

Only way you can do that is to raise interest rates.


Quote from: Bernanke, today
"Highly accommodative monetary policy for the foreseeable future is what's needed,"

So the Fed is killing the pensions on purpose.
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Post by: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D

I bailed out a Dacron once.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 11, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 10, 2013, 06:47:33 PMThere's some movement to address that at the moment and take some of that pressure off.

Only way you can do that is to raise interest rates.

No, not at all. You can also change the way solvency liability is calculated (and that is in fact the remedy that's being implemented).

Most DB plans (Canadian ones at least) have more than enough funds to remain a going concern (i.e. continue to pay out pensions to its members) when comparing assets vs liabilities. This calculation does depend on the interest rate, but a broader band of assumptions can be used.

However, when calculating solvency liability (i.e. whether enough money is on hand to right now to wind the plan up) a different calculation is used, and the impact of low interest rates is much greater resulting in a much higher (and onerous) asset requirement.

The problem with that kind of policy is what happens when a company no longer exists, its plan is underfunded and all the beneficiaries get much less than they thought they would?   As Yi has argued, in the kind of policy enviornment you say is coming, employees would likely be better off with defined contribution plans so they can manage their own retirement funds rather than run the risk of an underfunded plan delivering less than they would have recieved in a DC plan.

As a practical matter the only people who are immediately impacted by these new accounting rules will be governments since they are the only onces left with significant DB plans and so it doesnt really matter that much - government DB plans will always be funded because the government will always be a going concern.

But these new rules might also encourage private sector companies to start up DB plans again and employees might have the illusion of security which does not necessarily exist.
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Post by: Jacob on July 11, 2013, 01:15:01 PM
Unions will also be affected, as they have a bunch of DB plans as well.

As to whether this change will result in illusory security or not is not something I'm qualified to really argue.

So I asked my wife... and she said that in this VERY PARTICULAR case it's true, but...

Most DB plans these days are not single employer plans (so you need more than one company bankruptcy to trigger the scenario in question, and that makes it less likely);

Secondly, most DC plans are - by the measures applied to DB plans - underfunded as well. Most people don't contribute more money to their plan when their investments turn negative (or merely under perform) for example; they usually just hang on and hope that things will turn around soon, or maybe they'll shuffle their investments around hoping to trigger a better performance.

As well, most people, even the ones who get a good return on their DC investments don't really know where that leaves them - if you retire with $100K or $500K or 2$M in your DC account, what does that mean? Some people understand, but many do not.

But yeah, if the choice is between a DB plan that's underfunded and being wound up and paying out less than promised against a well managed DC plan, then the DC plan is better.

But on a society level DB plans tend to be much better managed compared to DC plans. For the elite - like derspiess et. al. - DC plans are preferable; but on a society level requiring people to be good financial planners and investment managers to retire comfortably means that most people won't retire comfortably. Most people simply don't have the required skills.

As an aside, apparently these days there are also hybrid plans that combine both DB and DC - but they are even more expensive than pure DB plans.

From an employer side, DC is obviously better than DB because it's cheaper. For some employees, a DC plan is better too because they happen to be good managers of their money; that's not most employees though, and that will result in significant hardship in retirement for many people.
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Post by: crazy canuck on July 11, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
Yeah, the reason most plans are not now single employer plans is for exactly the reasons we have been discussing - risk and cost.

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Post by: derspiess on July 11, 2013, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D

I bailed out a Dacron once.

Nice one, but it could probably use some apostrophes.
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Post by: Tonitrus on July 11, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D

I bailed out a Dacron once.

A recently stumbled across an Airman with the first name "Cheetarah".  What generation of parents can we kill for that?  :rolleyes:


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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 11, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
An airman and not an airwoman or airperson? Poor guy.
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Post by: Tonitrus on July 11, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 11, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
An airman and not an airwoman or airperson? Poor guy.

"Airman" is gender neutral.  Pretty sure it's a female.  :sleep:
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Post by: The Brain on July 11, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
I hate cheetarahs.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 13, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
And another major Detroit industry in in jeopardy  :(

QuoteDetroit uses bankruptcy threat to spur settlements

Robert Snell
The Detroit News

Detroit— The city's legal department is using the threat of bankruptcy to pressure people who have sued City Hall into accepting settlements, including a recent $249,000 payout in a civil rights case, lawyers said.

The tactic, along with a crackdown by Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr on frivolous lawsuits and settlements that last year totaled about $22 million, is an unexpected side effect ahead of a possible Detroit bankruptcy.

Plaintiffs fear their cases would be put on indefinite hold in bankruptcy court or that an unpaid settlement would be placed at the end of a long line of unsecured creditors. The recent payouts, however, eat into what little cash the city has left and come at a time when Orr has stopped payments to some creditors, including the city pension funds.

In recent weeks, the city paid $125,000 to a Livonia man who said he was sucker-punched by an officer inside the MGM Grand Casino — an incident captured on surveillance camera — and $249,000 to a Detroiter who alleged he was unlawfully arrested and imprisoned.

"That's the number one hammer they're using in settlements because the threat is if you don't take our settlement and don't get paid in the next 60 days, go ahead and get the biggest verdict you want, it'll be discharged in bankruptcy court," Berkley attorney Wolfgang Mueller said.

Pending lawsuits against the city would be put on hold if Detroit files Chapter 9, unless a bankruptcy judge grants relief. The cases could resume after Detroit emerges from court, said Douglas Bernstein, a Bloomfield Hills attorney and expert on municipal bankruptcy.

Orr, a lawyer, did not authorize the city's legal department to use bankruptcy in its dealings, but sees the wisdom.

"I just think this is lawyers being smart if they see an opportunity to settle a case and save potential increased costs down the road," Orr spokesman Bill Nowling said.

People and companies with unpaid claims and settlements would be lumped in with other unsecured creditors and likely recover pennies on the dollar.

It gets worse, Bernstein added. A bankruptcy judge could recoup a portion of settlements paid within 90 days of a bankruptcy filing.

"It's a harsh remedy but it makes sense," Bernstein said. "The goal of bankruptcy is to have an equitable distribution among creditors. People are in for a rude awakening."

Even with the threat of bankruptcy, it is virtually impossible to collect on a civil judgment against the city, Southfield-based attorney Geoffrey Fieger said.

The Detroit City Council must sign off. Then Orr must approve the deal, a process that can delay payment in a city that lawyers say is notoriously slow to cut checks.

"We can't get money out of (Orr)," Fieger said. "He's not signing off. I would rather have a bankruptcy judge ultimately making those decisions than City Council and Orr. You can't squeeze blood out of a rock."

The Detroit News analyzed city records in 2010 and found more than $39 million was paid out in police lawsuits between July 2006 and June 2009.

About half of that — $19.1 million — was traced to police misconduct allegations, including $7.3 million in payouts for 18 people shot by police. The payouts ranged from $2.5 million for a man who survived after being shot in the head to $25,000 for a woman shot in the leg at a backyard party by an officer aiming at a charging dog.

Last year, the city paid out settlements totaling approximately $22 million, Nowling said.

Detroiter Michael Bolden settled his malicious prosecution and unlawful arrest and imprisonment case against the city for $249,000 in late May or early June, his lawyer said.

According to the federal lawsuit, Bolden was arrested outside a Detroit gas station without probable cause and charged with firearm offenses. He spent almost two years in jail, though a Wayne County Circuit Court judge later vacated the conviction and dismissed the charges.

"I was not happy with the settlement," Bolden's lawyer Ben Gonek said. "The City of Detroit's financial condition obviously impacted my client's willingness to settle the case."

Orr has clamped down on settlements in what he perceives are frivolous lawsuits and has rejected several deals since arriving in March, Nowling said.

Orr told the city's new top lawyer Portia Roberson the law department wasn't litigating some cases aggressively and signaled he would not automatically approve settlements, Nowling said.

Orr's approach, and the prospect of bankruptcy, complicates the likelihood of collecting money, Fieger said.

"I try more cases than anybody," Fieger said, "and if you settle today, it won't matter. You won't get it. They will be in bankruptcy court."

Some plaintiffs cashed in early. Livonia resident Patrick Poisson pocketed a six-figure check this spring after being punched out at the MGM Grand Casino in 2011.

Poisson, 39, sued the city and two Detroit Police officers in federal court in 2011. The lawsuit stemmed from an incident a few months earlier at MGM Grand in which Detroit Police investigated a report that Poisson inappropriately touched a waitress and would not leave a casino bar.

According to the lawsuit, Poisson started leaving the bar, and then turned to Officer Arthur Dudal.

The men stood face to face — a standoff captured by the casino's video cameras.

"Suddenly, and without warning, Dudal threw a roundhouse right hand punch, striking (Poisson) squarely on the nose, fracturing it," Mueller wrote in the lawsuit. "(Poisson) was driven to the ground, temporarily knocked out. However, before (Poisson) hit the ground, Dudal followed with a left hook to the head, driving plaintiff to the floor."

Dudal also punched Poisson on his right side, breaking two ribs, according to the lawsuit.

Poisson received $125,000 in April. He said he can appreciate the pressure the threat of bankruptcy puts on plaintiffs who have sued the city.

"I just followed my lawyer's advice," Poisson said.

Royal Oak attorney Jonathan Marko will be in a Wayne County courtroom today to enforce $280,000 worth of settlements. One of the cases involves a city paramedic who accused a colleague of sexual assault.

The Detroit City Council signed off on the paramedic's $190,000 settlement in April, Marko said. Orr approved it June 6.

"Every step of the way, in every city case, all we're hearing is bankruptcy, bankruptcy, bankruptcy," Marko said.

The settlement, which hasn't been paid, required the paramedic's resignation.

"She took the settlement so she could start a new life," Marko said. "If the city gets tied up in bankruptcy court, she's going to be jobless, too, and completely screwed."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130712/METRO01/307120042#ixzz2YxxRv6jq
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Post by: Scipio on July 13, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D

I bailed out a Dacron once.
A friend of mine once settled a massive PI case for the mother of Shithead (pronounced Shatheed), Lemongello, and Orangello Smith.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on July 14, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Scipio on July 13, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
A friend of mine once settled a massive PI case for the mother of Shithead (pronounced Shatheed), Lemongello, and Orangello Smith.

:lol: I was going to drop some Shitheads into the mix as soon as I figured out a place to put them, but that sets the bar further than I could reach.  Also, that's a first on that pronunciation- usually, the ones I've met pronounce it shi-THAY-ud.
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Post by: stjaba on July 14, 2013, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 13, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
And another major Detroit industry in in jeopardy  :(

QuoteDetroit uses bankruptcy threat to spur settlements

Robert Snell
The Detroit News

Detroit— The city's legal department is using the threat of bankruptcy to pressure people who have sued City Hall into accepting settlements, including a recent $249,000 payout in a civil rights case, lawyers said.

Interesting. Generally, debts resulting in "willful and malicious injury" to creditors are not dischargeable in bankruptcy. I would think civil rights violations and employment discrimination would be considered "willful and malicious" and therefore not dischargeable...
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Post by: alfred russel on July 14, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 11, 2013, 01:15:01 PM
Unions will also be affected, as they have a bunch of DB plans as well.

As to whether this change will result in illusory security or not is not something I'm qualified to really argue.

So I asked my wife... and she said that in this VERY PARTICULAR case it's true, but...

Most DB plans these days are not single employer plans (so you need more than one company bankruptcy to trigger the scenario in question, and that makes it less likely);

Secondly, most DC plans are - by the measures applied to DB plans - underfunded as well. Most people don't contribute more money to their plan when their investments turn negative (or merely under perform) for example; they usually just hang on and hope that things will turn around soon, or maybe they'll shuffle their investments around hoping to trigger a better performance.

As well, most people, even the ones who get a good return on their DC investments don't really know where that leaves them - if you retire with $100K or $500K or 2$M in your DC account, what does that mean? Some people understand, but many do not.

But yeah, if the choice is between a DB plan that's underfunded and being wound up and paying out less than promised against a well managed DC plan, then the DC plan is better.

But on a society level DB plans tend to be much better managed compared to DC plans. For the elite - like derspiess et. al. - DC plans are preferable; but on a society level requiring people to be good financial planners and investment managers to retire comfortably means that most people won't retire comfortably. Most people simply don't have the required skills.

As an aside, apparently these days there are also hybrid plans that combine both DB and DC - but they are even more expensive than pure DB plans.

From an employer side, DC is obviously better than DB because it's cheaper. For some employees, a DC plan is better too because they happen to be good managers of their money; that's not most employees though, and that will result in significant hardship in retirement for many people.

A lot of US companies have underfunded US plans and overfunded European plans. There are two reasons:

1) it tends to be relatively easy to recover funds from plans outside the US in an overfunded status. I'm not a DB expert by any stretch, but it is a consideration that in the US it is difficult to recover overinvested amounts. That creates a bias to stay underfunded--otherwise you might end up with an asset you can't touch.
2) US tax laws result in money "trapped" overseas: meaning that all things being equal funding pension plans is easier outside the US for a lot of multinationals (who are struggling to find ways to invest their money).
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 14, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 11, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2013, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 10, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 10, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Malice  :lol:  I like his mom's style.

My favorite kids' names from when I worked at the DNA lab:  Nemesis and Chewbacca :D

I bailed out a Dacron once.

A recently stumbled across an Airman with the first name "Cheetarah".  What generation of parents can we kill for that?  :rolleyes:



What kind of monster would do that to their kid?
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Post by: citizen k on July 18, 2013, 04:21:17 PM
President Obama: "If I had a hometown it would look like Detroit"

Detroit goes into Ch. 9


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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
If?  He has a hometown.  :huh:
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Post by: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
If?  He has a hometown.  :huh:

He wants to downplay the fact his hometown is Jakarta...  :secret:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 18, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
Not quite yet, maybe tomorrow:

Quote
Detroit prepares to file for bankruptcy as soon as Friday

The City of Detroit is expected to start the bankruptcy process as soon as Friday. / Romain Blanquart/Detroit Free Press



The City of Detroit is in final preparations to file for federal bankruptcy as early as Friday morning, several sources told the Free Press today.

The filing would begin a 30- to 90-day period that will determine whether the city is eligible for Chapter 9 protection and define how many claimants might compete for the limited settlement resources that Detroit has to offer. The bankruptcy petition would seek protection from creditors and unions who are renegotiating $18.5 billion in debt and other liabilities.

Detroit emergency manager Kevyn Orr, who in June released a plan to restructure the city's debt and obligations that would leave many creditors with much less than they are owed, has warned consistently that if negotiations hit an impasse, he would move quickly to seek bankruptcy protection.

Gov. Rick Snyder would have to sign off on the filing. A spokeswoman did not immediately return telephone calls today.

Orr's spokesman Bill Nowling would not confirm today that the filing is imminent. However, he said, "Pension boards, insurers, it's clear that if you're suing us, your response is 'no.' We still have other creditors we continue to have meetings with, other stakeholders who are trying to find a solution here, because they recognize that, at the end of the day, we have to have a city that can provide basic services to its 700,000 residents."

This week, the city's two pension funds (which have claims to $9.2 billion in unfunded pension and retiree health care liabilities) filed suit in state court to prevent Orr from slashing retiree benefits as part of a bankruptcy restructuring.

Ambac Assurance Guaranty, which insures some of the city's general obligation bonds, has also objected to Orr's plan to treat those bonds as "unsecured," meaning they're not tied directly to a revenue stream and would receive pennies on the dollar of their value. Ambac, and other creditors, have threatened to file suit.

Sources agree that Orr's deal with creditors, widely reported to be Bank of America Corp. and UBS AG, to pay a $344-million swap with a $255-million debtor-in-possession loan, is instrumental in the timing of the potential bankruptcy filing.

The deal gives the city access to $11 million a month in casino tax revenues that Orr has said is key to maintaining city services while negotiations, in or out of bankruptcy court, take their course with other creditors and unions.

Plunkett Cooney bankruptcy lawyer Doug Bernstein, who is not involved in the bankruptcy and is not representing any parties related to it, said today he had no direct information about whether or when the city would file, but said he understands the strategy if the city were to do so Friday or perhaps over the weekend.

On Monday, an Ingham County Circuit Court judge is scheduled to hold a hearing on the city workers' and retirees' challenge to stop the city from filing bankruptcy.

The employee groups, and separately the city's two pension funds in another lawsuit, argue that the governor — who under Michigan law must authorize any bankruptcy filing — cannot do so if the filings include plans to reduce pension benefits, because the state's constitution explicitly protects public pensions.

Bernstein said preventing the court hearing on Monday is likely a key part of the strategy behind a Chapter 9 petition by the city, because a ruling in favor of the employees could put a halt, at least temporarily, to any moves by Orr and Snyder to proceed with a bankruptcy petition. A bankruptcy filing immediately stays all such court proceedings.

"The stay kicks in as soon as the filing, whether it's Friday or Monday," Bernstein said. "The key is taking advantage of the automatic stay. Because of the lawsuit filed by the pension funds and the hearings coming up Monday, it became a factor, so to the extent that (Orr) wanted to continue negotiations with creditors, now the city is forced to" file a Chapter 9 petition.

The 30- to 90-day eligibility fight could be prolonged beyond that time frame if creditors mount a significant challenge to Detroit's eligibility for bankruptcy. In other communities that have filed for Chapter 9 protection, such fights have extended the process a year or more, including Jefferson County, Ala., and Stockton, Calif., two of the largest municipal bankruptcy filings so far in the U.S.

Detroit's would be by far the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, in terms of the city's population of about 700,000 and the amount of its debts and liabilities, which Orr has said could be as high as $20 billion. Because of the stakes involved, and the impact on residents statewide, as well as 30,000 current and retired city workers and Detroit's ability to stay in business, the case could be precedent setting in the federal judiciary. It could also set an important trajectory for the way troubled cities nationwide settle their financial difficulties.

Bernstein noted that Orr has said repeatedly his office would "negotiate with creditors until and unless we find that the negotiations won't bear fruit, with the understanding that the city has a limited amount of time" for those talks.
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Post by: The Brain on July 18, 2013, 04:30:48 PM
What will da feds do? Nothing? Something? A lot?
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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 18, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
If?  He has a hometown.  :huh:

He wants to downplay the fact his hometown is Jakarta...  :secret:

Why, he's not running anymore.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 18, 2013, 05:40:15 PM
If Cleveland could do it, survive and come back better, so can Detroit.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs Mitt Romney.
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Post by: Tonitrus on July 18, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs...

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_JrMAg7gZ5FQ%2FTQ3TbJiA8XI%2FAAAAAAAAAzg%2FX6FpTXvGwlE%2Fs320%2Foldmanr2.PNG&hash=2dfdef09545d356c6adffa1f33f269847c7c7c78).

Fixed.
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 18, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
It's Marshal Ney.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 18, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs Mitt Romney.

I think Detroit's been raided enough.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 18, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs Mitt Romney.

I think Detroit's been raided enough.

Mormon settlers would enrich and repopulate the city.
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Post by: DGuller on July 18, 2013, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs Mitt Romney.
:hmm: Damn, he has been right after all.
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Post by: Caliga on July 19, 2013, 06:52:15 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Detroit needs Mitt Romney.
If they made Romney like an emergency manager for Detroit and he actually managed to bring it back, he should definitely be POTUS.  In fact, he should probably be Emperor of the World. :)
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Post by: Savonarola on July 19, 2013, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 18, 2013, 04:30:48 PM
What will da feds do? Nothing? Something? A lot?

Conventional wisdom is that the Federal Government will do nothing.  If they bail out Detroit they'll have to bail out every city or state that faces bankruptcy.

The state of Michigan may be on the hook for the pension funds; municipal pensions are guaranteed by the state constitution.  A number of the pundits seem to think that won't hold up in bankruptcy court.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 19, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
I read online news in this order:

Le Monde
Al-Jazeera
BBC
CNN
Detroit Free Press
Detroit News
Orlando Sentinel
Miami Herald

How bad the news out of Detroit is can be determined by how close it is to the top of that list.  The most shared story on Le Monde today is:

La ville américaine de Detroit se déclare en faillite

Zut alors!
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 19, 2013, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 19, 2013, 12:20:25 PM
The state of Michigan may be on the hook for the pension funds; municipal pensions are guaranteed by the state constitution.  A number of the pundits seem to think that won't hold up in bankruptcy court.

Interesting.
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Post by: fhdz on July 19, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 19, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
La ville américaine de Detroit se déclare en faillite

Zut alors!

:lol:
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Post by: citizen k on July 19, 2013, 05:35:05 PM
President Obama: "If I was the mayor of a city it would look like Detroit."

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Post by: DGuller on July 19, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: citizen k on July 19, 2013, 05:35:05 PM
President Obama: "If I was the mayor of a city it would look like Detroit."
:XD: :pinch:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 20, 2013, 09:47:46 AM
Not so fast:


QuoteLansing— Ruling the governor and Detroit's emergency manager violated the state constitution, an Ingham County Circuit judge ordered Friday that Detroit's federal bankruptcy filing be withdrawn.

"It's absolutely needed," said Judge Rosemary Aquilina, observing she hopes Gov. Rick Snyder "reads certain sections of the (Michigan) constitution and reconsiders his actions."

The judge said state law guards against retirement benefits being "diminished," but there will be no such protection in federal bankruptcy court.

State-level legal skirmishing over the Chapter 9 bankruptcy effort by Snyder and Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr now will quickly move to the Michigan Court of Appeals.

Attorney General Bill Schuette, on behalf of Snyder, filed an application for Appeals Court consideration of Aquilina's order an hour after it was issued.

Schuette asked the Appeals Court to put a hold on present and future lower-court proceedings and was planning to seek emergency consideration to expedite the process, said spokeswoman Joy Yearout.

Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Detroit, said Friday that Aquilina's ruling justifies the need for congressional hearings on whether Detroit is misusing the bankruptcy process to slash retiree pensions and health insurance coverage.

While experts say federal proceedings take precedence, state-level legal maneuvering could delay the process. Pension board attorneys said their pleadings could wind up in federal court, too.

Snyder authorized Thursday's bankruptcy filing in U.S. District Court in Detroit by Orr and his legal team. That was to set in motion a process in which the court determines whether Detroit qualifies for bankruptcy.

The filing involved a bit of courtroom drama.

With rumors it was imminent Thursday afternoon, attorneys representing the pension boards hurried into Aquilina's court in Lansing to ask for a temporary restraining order.

But Snyder and Orr beat them by a few minutes. Aquilina, informed by phone, allowed the pension board lawyers to revise their restraining order request, then granted it.

Prior to her ruling on Friday, the judge criticized the Snyder administration and Schuette's office over their hasty move.

"It's cheating, sir, and it's cheating good people who work," the judge told assistant state Attorney General Brian Devlin. "It's also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit's auto companies) out of bankruptcy."

Southfield attorney John Canzano, representing several pension plan members, said bankruptcies of cities such as Stockton, Calif., have been handled in a way that didn't compromise pensions.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099#ixzz2Zb5Qt1m5

Not honoring the president?  :unsure:  Is that a requirement now in bankruptcy court?  :unsure:
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2013, 08:33:49 PM
So it looks like the Michigan law will have no bearing because the bankruptcy is being handled in federal court.

Nice of the judge to demonstrate her sparkling impartiality.
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Post by: ulmont on July 20, 2013, 08:46:36 PM
Yi, in not convinced that is necessarily the case.  The bankruptcy is federal, sure...but the state is a creature of laws and constitution and can (should, anyway) only act accordingly.  So a state judge telling the state that it's not applying its laws might have some bearing on what the state does...
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2013, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 20, 2013, 08:46:36 PM
Yi, in not convinced that is necessarily the case.  The bankruptcy is federal, sure...but the state is a creature of laws and constitution and can (should, anyway) only act accordingly.  So a state judge telling the state that it's not applying its laws might have some bearing on what the state does...

But the decision about how to treat the various creditors is not up to the state of Michigan, it's up to a federal judge.  Unless somehow a Michigan judge finds that the state cannot take the city into bankruptcy court.
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Post by: ulmont on July 20, 2013, 08:55:19 PM
Pretty sure that's what the state judge just said?
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2013, 09:00:37 PM
Little ambiguous.  Looks to me like she just granted a stay.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 21, 2013, 06:44:17 AM
My take is that she was just showboating, and it will be overturned on appeal.  In Michigan, state judges are elected.  While they're theoretically non-partisan; in practice candidates are nominated by the parties.  The unions are the dominant power in the state Democrat Party, and this was her announcement that she's running for State Supreme Court.
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Post by: The Brain on July 21, 2013, 06:47:31 AM
Couldn't she just say so? "I'm running for State Supreme Court". There.

Why don't they do what they say? Say what they mean? One thing leads to another.
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Post by: Scipio on July 21, 2013, 07:35:09 AM
Awesome analysis by Melissa Harris-Perry, who clearly, despite her PhD in Poli Sci from Duke, has never heard of Mayor Kilpatrick:

http://youngcons.com/msnbc-political-analyst-detroit-is-what-happens-when-government-is-too-small/

I'ma go outtona limb here, and say that corruption and racism in Detroit were related to the sprawling size of government.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 22, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
QuoteFirst Detroit bankruptcy hearing set for Wednesday
Chad Livengood and Gary Heinlein
Detroit News Lansing Bureau

Lansing — U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Steven Rhodes has set the first hearing in Detroit's bankruptcy proceedings for Wednesday to sort out a legal dispute between the city and its pension funds.

In an order filed late Monday morning, Rhodes said his court has jurisdiction on whether to halt a state court lawsuit challenging the legality of Detroit's Thursday bankruptcy filing.

Rhodes, who was appointed to handle Detroit's bankruptcy on Friday, set a hearing for 10 a.m. Wednesday.

He set a second hearing for Aug. 2 to consider a series of other motions in the case, including the city's request for a 32-day deadline for creditors to file objections to the city's eligibility for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection.

Earlier Monday, Ingham County Circuit Court Judge Rosemarie Aquilina adjourned a hearing until July 29 over whether Detroit's bankruptcy filing violated the state constitution and reiterated the case should remain a state issue.

Aquilina is to hear from lawyers for Gov. Rick Snyder, who petitioned the court on Monday to move the lawsuit to federal bankruptcy court and Rhodes rule on the matter.

The judge has said that state constitution guards against retirement benefits being "diminished," but there will be no such protection in federal bankruptcy court.

"I don't think the constitution should be made of Swiss cheese," Aquilina said Monday. "Once we erode it with one hole, there will be others."

She ordered lawyers for the state and Detroit's General Retirement System and Police and Fire Retirement System to file a litany of briefs this week in preparation of Monday's hearing.

"They're doing everything in their power to take this out of the state of Michigan and put it into federal court," Ronald King, an attorney for Detroit's two pension funds, said of the governor's office.

Meanwhile, lawyers for the Detroit Institute of Arts asked the bankruptcy court Monday to consider the art museum a "party-in-interest" and be notified of all filings in the case as state-level legal skirmishing over the Chapter 9 bankruptcy effort by Snyder and Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr is also quickly moving to the Michigan Court of Appeals.

Creditors may have an eye on the world-renowned DIA collection, listed as a city asset in a bankruptcy filing. But Orr, who also listed the city's share of the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel and Belle Isle as assets, said no sales have been proposed.

On Friday, Aquilina ruled Snyder and Orr violated the state constitution and ordered that Detroit's federal bankruptcy filing be withdrawn.

Attorney General Bill Schuette, on behalf of Snyder, filed an application for Appeals Court consideration of Aquilina's order an hour after it was issued on Friday. The pension funds have until Wednesday to file an answer to Schuette's appeal, King said.

Schuette asked the Appeals Court to put a hold on present and future lower-court proceedings and was planning to seek emergency consideration to expedite the process.

During the Monday morning hearing, Aquilina declined to halt her previous orders.

"This is a very important issue; I'm not going to stay anything," she said from the bench.

Brian Devlin, an assistant attorney general representing Snyder in the case, declined comment Monday.

U.S. Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Detroit, has said Aquilina's ruling justifies the need for congressional hearings on whether Detroit is misusing the bankruptcy process to slash retiree pensions and health insurance coverage.

While experts say federal proceedings take precedence, state-level legal maneuvering could delay the process.

Snyder authorized Thursday's bankruptcy filing in U.S. District Court in Detroit by Orr and his legal team. That was to set in motion a process in which the court determines whether Detroit qualifies for bankruptcy.

The filing involved a bit of courtroom drama.

With rumors it was imminent Thursday afternoon, attorneys representing the pension boards hurried into Aquilina's court in Lansing to ask for a temporary restraining order.

But Snyder and Orr beat them by a few minutes. Aquilina allowed the pension board lawyers to revise their restraining order request, then granted it.

Prior to her ruling on Friday, the judge criticized the Snyder administration and Schuette's office over their hasty move.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130722/METRO01/307220060#ixzz2ZnsiG12b

Thanks, John, you're being a big help as always.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 22, 2013, 02:49:09 PM
I guess I hadn't realized Conyers was still in office.  :huh:
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Post by: Caliga on July 22, 2013, 02:51:16 PM
Yeah, as a long-time Detroit politician, I'd asssumed he was in jail by now. :hmm:
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Post by: derspiess on July 22, 2013, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 21, 2013, 07:35:09 AM
Awesome analysis by Melissa Harris-Perry, who clearly, despite her PhD in Poli Sci from Duke, has never heard of Mayor Kilpatrick:

http://youngcons.com/msnbc-political-analyst-detroit-is-what-happens-when-government-is-too-small/

I'ma go outtona limb here, and say that corruption and racism in Detroit were related to the sprawling size of government.

Melitha Harrith Perry is too busy making tampon earrings to worry about details like that.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 22, 2013, 04:10:36 PM
How would one go about answering the question the honorable representative from Detroit has suggested holding hearings on?
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Post by: Savonarola on July 22, 2013, 08:23:13 PM
And the UAW checks in from Wonderland:

QuoteMichigan residents being lied to by state on bankruptcy, UAW president Bob King says
7:02 PM, July 22, 2013   |   28 Comments

A coalition of labor leaders and elected officials denounced Detroit's bankruptcy this afternoon as both unnecessary and a way for Republican Gov. Rick Snyder to put outsiders in charge of Detroit.

"Bankruptcy's not the solution," Michigan AFSCME Council 25 President Al Garrett said at a downtown press conference. "It has been the plan of this administration because there's been a decision made that the people running Detroit, the people who live in Detroit ought not have a say in the destiny of what the city of Detroit is."

Garrett said Snyder broke his oath to uphold the state constitution by approving a bankruptcy that seeks to cut Detroit active and retired workers' constitutionally protected pension benefits.

Representatives of the United Auto Workers, Detroit City Council members JoAnn Watson and Brenda Jones, Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano and several others joined Garrett for a news conference at the AFSCME Council 25 offices on West Lafayette.

Many of their concerns centered on Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr's proposed cuts to retirees' pensions and health care. They disputed Orr's position that he has tried to negotiate over pension liabilities of up to $3.5 billion.

"I think it's really important for the media to report the hypocrisy and the dishonesty that Kevyn Orr says yesterday they reached out and they bent over backwards, and they've never had one negotiating session with any of the unions," said UAW President Bob King. "That's outrageous. People in Michigan should be outraged they're being lied to every day."

Orr's restructuring team has met with union and pension representatives a handful of times since last month to share information about his restructuring plan, including pension and health care cuts. But labor leaders have said the meetings could not be described as negotiating sessions because Orr and his consultants never specified potential cuts on which talks to reach a compromise could be based.

Garrett said AFSCME's lawyers will consider filing an objection to Detroit's bankruptcy on the basis Orr did not fulfill his requirement to negotiate in good faith with creditors.

An Emergency Financial Manager and the Consent Agreement were also not solutions according to the same people.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 22, 2013, 08:41:46 PM
All it will take is some hard bargaining.  That has always worked in the past for unions.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on July 23, 2013, 03:02:41 PM
And it's back to bankruptcy:

QuoteCourt of Appeals halts order to withdraw Detroit bankruptcy petition
Chad Livengood
Detroit News Lansing Bureau

Last Friday, Ingham County Circuit Judge Rosemarie Aquilina issued a temporary injunction against Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr and Gov. Rick Snyder and ruled the bankruptcy filing violated the state constitution because it could impair constitutionally protected pension benefits for 10,000 city workers and 20,000 retirees.

A three-judge appeals panel on Tuesday granted Schuette's motion for a stay in the case. It also granted the attorney general's request for immediate consideration of three lawsuits filed by current and retired Detroit city workers and the city's two pension funds.

The Court of Appeals' action comes one day before U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes is set to consider Orr's motion to remove the three lawsuits from the state's court system and take jurisdiction.

Appellate judges Michael J. Kelly, Patrick M. Meter and Stephen L. Borrello signed the orders. The Court of Appeals has given attorneys for the plaintiffs until 5 p.m. Friday to respond to Schuette's appeal of Aquilina's initial ruling.

On Monday, Aquilina scheduled a July 29 hearing on the merits of the lawsuit brought by Detroit's General Retirement System and Police and Fire Retirement System. The appellate court's action effectively cancels that hearing.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130723/METRO01/307230098#ixzz2ZttabFli
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Post by: DontSayBanana on July 24, 2013, 08:45:08 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 22, 2013, 02:51:16 PM
Yeah, as a long-time Detroit politician, I'd asssumed he was in jail by now. :hmm:

That's his wife. :contract:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 24, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
Because nothing is more important to the city of Detroit than George Zimmerman:

QuoteDetroit council supports calls for federal investigation of possible civil rights charges against George Zimmerman

10:05 PM, July 23, 2013   | 


Detroit Free Press Staff Writer

The Detroit City Council on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution calling for a federal investigation to see whether civil rights charges are warranted against George Zimmerman, who was acquitted July 13 of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges in the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

The resolution, sponsored by Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, sparked a discussion over the need for city leaders and others to focus more on violence in Detroit.

"We need to have that same level of outrage with respect to the black-on-black crime that takes place in our community," Councilman Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said. "How many people were shot — maybe even shot and killed this past weekend in the city — mostly likely by folks who look just like them?"

Watson said there are many events held regularly to address violence in Detroit. "Because the so-called major media does not cover all of the expressions does not mean it does not happen," she said. "So that's not correct."

It's a shame that Jesse Jackson never shows up for those many events held regularly to address violence in Detroit.  I guess he has more important things to do.    :bowler:
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Post by: garbon on July 24, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
hahaha
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 24, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
It's a shame that Jesse Jackson never shows up for those many events held regularly to address violence in Detroit.  I guess he has more important things to do.    :bowler:

I'm quite sure the Detroit PD is doing maintaining their closure rates in arresting and shuffling off all those black shooters of black victims to jail.  It's when police agencies don't arrest and shuffle off white shooters of black victims to jail that there's a problem.

But you crackers don't comprehend how that could be a problem with certain communities.
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Post by: Syt on July 24, 2013, 02:10:28 PM
In hindsight it seems that the Robocop movies actually showed an optimistic vision of Detroit's future.
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Post by: Barrister on July 24, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
Because nothing is more important to the city of Detroit than George Zimmerman:

QuoteDetroit council supports calls for federal investigation of possible civil rights charges against George Zimmerman

10:05 PM, July 23, 2013   | 


Detroit Free Press Staff Writer

The Detroit City Council on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution calling for a federal investigation to see whether civil rights charges are warranted against George Zimmerman, who was acquitted July 13 of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges in the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

The resolution, sponsored by Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, sparked a discussion over the need for city leaders and others to focus more on violence in Detroit.

"We need to have that same level of outrage with respect to the black-on-black crime that takes place in our community," Councilman Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said. "How many people were shot — maybe even shot and killed this past weekend in the city — mostly likely by folks who look just like them?"

Watson said there are many events held regularly to address violence in Detroit. "Because the so-called major media does not cover all of the expressions does not mean it does not happen," she said. "So that's not correct."

It's a shame that Jesse Jackson never shows up for those many events held regularly to address violence in Detroit.  I guess he has more important things to do.    :bowler:

To be fair I don't think Detroit City Council ahs much power to do anything in Detroit these days...
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2013, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 24, 2013, 02:10:28 PM
In hindsight it seems that the Robocop movies actually showed an optimistic vision of Detroit's future.
The Day After actually showed an optimistic vision of Detroit's future.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 25, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
The Unsteady States of America

'It is not just Detroit. American cities and states must promise less or face disaster.'

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21582258-it-not-just-detroit-american-cities-and-states-must-promise-less-or-face-disaster

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.economist.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Foriginal-size%2Fimages%2Fprint-edition%2FM%2F20130727_LDM930.png&hash=39fe71a6d0f7e15cd2abebafaa45d3f69de66f7e)

'The hole in Illinois’s pension pot is equivalent to 241% of its annual tax revenues: for Connecticut, the figure is 190%; for Kentucky, 141%; for New Jersey, 137%.

By one recent estimate, the total pension gap for the states is $2.7 trillion, or 17% of GDP. That understates the mess, because it omits both the unfunded pension figure for cities and the health-care promises made to retired government workers of all sorts. In Detroit’s case, the bill for their medical benefits ($5.7 billion) was even larger than its pension hole ($3.5 billion).
...
Governors and mayors have long offered fat pensions to public servants, thus buying votes today and sending the bill to future taxpayers. They have also allowed some startling abuses. Some bureaucrats are promoted just before retirement or allowed to rack up lots of overtime, raising their final-salary pension for the rest of their lives. Or their unions win annual cost-of-living adjustments far above inflation. A watchdog in Rhode Island calculated that a retired local fire chief would be pulling in $800,000 a year if he lived to 100, for example. More than 20,000 retired public servants in California receive pensions of over $100,000.'
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 25, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
Damned dirty commie unions.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 26, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 25, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
More than 20,000 retired public servants in California receive pensions of over $100,000.'

Heh, there are only five in Detroit and the city still went bankrupt.

Detroit is in an unusual predicament; in most cases a city or state can raise taxes to pay their pensions.  Detroit has hit the cap that the state of Michigan allows a municipality to tax.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 26, 2013, 03:46:06 PM
And from the vanilla suburbs:

QuoteFlavor Flav's Chicken & Ribs restaurant closes in Sterling Heights
Serena Maria Daniels
The Detroit News

Sterling Heights — Where you at, boyyyyyyyyyy?

That's what fans of Flavor Flav's Chicken & Ribs, the short-lived Metro Detroit restaurant are asking following word the eatery has closed this week, after barely eight months in business.

The former Public Enemy rap legend (otherwise known as William Drayton) set out with business partner Gino Harmon of Shelby Township-based Forza Development to come up with a restaurant that "brings his passion for bold and innovative fare straight to the heart of Metro-Detroit, MI," says the restaurant's website.

According to the Flavor Flav's Chicken & Ribs official Facebook page, the restaurant is moving to an undisclosed new location.

"No worries we are relocating!!! Stay tuned for our official announcement later this evening!!!," according to the restaurant's Facebook page on Wednesday.

A single post a day later read: "DETROITTTTTTT WHERE YOU AT?????"

Aside from chicken and smoked ribs, the eatery — that until this week was located at 8200 15 Mile — offered comfort food sides such as mac and cheese, sweet potato fries and baked beans, and featured waffles: either as a dessert with a scoop of vanilla ice cream or as a dinner with traditional or Southern-style chicken.

As reported by TMZ last month, the former "Flavor of Love" reality show star hadn't paid rent on the property since opening in December and was facing eviction.

According to TMZ, the Sterling Heights location was the last remaining Flav's Chicken & Ribs in the country.

Attempts to reach Flavor Flav on Friday were unsuccessful.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130726/ENT03/307260074#ixzz2aBc54pPw

Did Flav tell his landlord: "I can't do nuttin' for ya man."

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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 26, 2013, 03:50:48 PM
When you eat chicken and waffles are you supposed to put them together like a sandwich?
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Post by: Ed Anger on July 26, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
No.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 26, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
No.
I've never gotten the fried chicken and waffle thing. Do they put syrup on it?
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Post by: garbon on July 26, 2013, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 26, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
No.
I've never gotten the fried chicken and waffle thing.

Yeah me neither. At least not to the extent that I'd order it myself. Though when I was in Portland this one brunch place had it and it looked rather tasty.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 26, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
My current resident state of North Carolina enacted a budget bill today that eliminates teacher tenure and gets rid of the automatic pay increase teachers receive for earning a master's degree. :showoff:
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Post by: garbon on July 26, 2013, 09:31:15 PM
And you're in North Carolina...
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on July 26, 2013, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2013, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 26, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
No.
I've never gotten the fried chicken and waffle thing.

Yeah me neither. At least not to the extent that I'd order it myself. Though when I was in Portland this one brunch place had it and it looked rather tasty.

I had it at Bouchon in Vegas and it was wonderful.
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Post by: garbon on July 26, 2013, 10:09:55 PM
I had soft shell crab tempura or something like that in Vegas. I was not ready to have something that looked like a fried spider. But then I'd paid 20 bucks for it alone and was unemployed so I wolfed it down. -_-
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 26, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
My current resident state of North Carolina enacted a budget bill today that eliminates teacher tenure and gets rid of the automatic pay increase teachers receive for earning a master's degree. :showoff:

Awesome.  Because if North Carolina's school system need anything, it's additional disincentives to make the profession as unattractive as possible as a career path.
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Post by: citizen k on July 27, 2013, 04:07:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Because if North Carolina's school system need anything, it's additional disincentives to make the profession as unattractive as possible as a career path.

It's not a career path, it's a "passion".  ;)

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Post by: Savonarola on July 29, 2013, 12:24:56 PM
QuoteRecords show Ficano pensions costly for Wayne County
Christine MacDonald
The Detroit News

Detroit — Matt Schenk could soon get a pension worth nearly $97,000 a year as even though he's only 41 and spent just 8½ years as a top aide of Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano.

The county says his early retirement — and others like it — saved taxpayers money. But the deal won't be so sweet for the county's struggling pension system, which is one of the worst-funded in the nation at less than 50 percent.

Schenk's early retirement incentives alone could cost the system anywhere from $816,000 to $1.7 million, depending on market conditions, according to records obtained by The Detroit News that for the first time show the individual prices of Ficano's controversial early retirement incentives.

The deals went out to about 40 Ficano appointees about two years ago, but the Wayne County Employees Retirement System has just in the past year started to estimate the individual early retirement costs for a handful of staffers Ficano allowed to stay past the buyout's deadline.

Just the early retirement incentives alone for Schenk and seven other former appointees reviewed could cost the pension system up to an extra $4.7 million combined, according to the actuaries. The price for the rest of the 30-plus recipients is likely several times more than that, but it hasn't been calculated.

"How did you ever think the deals would really save you money?" said former county auditor general Brendan Dunleavy. "It shows how folks who should have been watching the county coffers were busy thinking of ways of taking money out of the coffers."

Schenk's $97,000 pension is so lucrative that it exceeds Internal Revenue Service limits for retirees his age by more than $28,000 a year, according to an analysis done by Wayne County pension actuaries. A separate account funded by the county likely will need to pay the difference.

On Monday, pension board members delayed any action until August on the former Ficano chief of staff's pension — a payout which could reach at least $3.5 million if he lives into his 70s. The average county retiree, in contrast, had an annual pension of $23,145 a year in 2011.

The actuarial studies looked only at the cost of the retirement sweeteners and don't factor in additional health care costs from an early out. Total pension payouts are expected to be much more, depending on how long retirees live and if they assigned their benefits to spouses when they die.

Deals strained system

Ficano's staff defend the buyouts, saying they still saved money cutting nearly $2.8 million in payroll in 2011 because he didn't fill about 20 positions and those that were filled were at lower salaries. The buyouts helped trim Ficano's ranks of appointees to 174 today from 240 in 2010.

His spokeswoman, June West, said poor investments, not retirement deals, caused the system to be $800 million underfunded. She cited the system's most recent financial report, which concluded that most of its $114 million in losses in 2011 were from "investment performance."

"They are blowing smoke out there," West said. "It's virtually the entire loss ... which Bob Ficano has no control over.

"(The buyouts) helped the county executive reduce his at-will payroll. ... You look at any major corporation in the country .... this is a common way of reducing the workforce and payroll."

But pension board members have argued they've made recent investment gains and that Ficano's deals are to blame. Retirees like Tyrone Carter worry Detroit's pension problems could spread to Wayne County.

"Offering a platinum retirement to people who haven't worked the 20-25 years ... hurts the system," said Carter, a former Wayne County Sheriff's lieutenant. "Who is going to suffer? The workers. If you look at what's happening in Detroit, we are next."

Ficano controls the pension benefits offered and the board administers them.

Among the most expensive deals were for those who retired younger than 50.

That includes Belleville Mayor Kerreen Conley, who was just 45 when she retired last year after 12 years as the county's facilities management director. Her pension will pay her about $73,000 per year, but will cost the pension system another $552,000 because she left early, according to actuaries. Conley was elected Belleville mayor in 2011.

Lavonda Jackson, Ficano's former deputy director of environmental services, retired at 44 after 13 years to a $72,000 yearly pension, a deal that will cost the system nearly $600,000.

Sweeteners add to costs

The 2011 buyout waived age rules that required retirees be at least 55, allowed them to buy — at discount — as many as six of 20 years of service they needed to retire and based pension payouts on their best three salary years. Participants also could buy years they worked at other municipalities.

The actuaries studied the cost of those sweeteners.

Buying years helped former Taylor Mayor Cameron Priebe, who was an assistant county CEO, retire with nearly a $59,000-a-year pension after roughly 11 years of county service. His deal cost the system nearly $377,000.

The deal comes atop a $41,700 annual pension he draws from the city of Taylor after working there 27 years, mainly with the police and then as mayor, according to city records.

Schenk is also expected to purchase years he was with the city of Detroit.

Other early retirement costs for Ficano's aides, according to the actuaries, include:

■Tim Taylor, the county's former personnel director. He retired after 27 years to a $118,000 pension at a cost of about $433,000. He crafted the deal and was the only staffer to be able to use a lump-sum payout of 24 weeks' pay — an estimated $60,000 — to help boost his final pension from $82,800 a year to $118,000 per year.

■James Buford, former county director of homeland security. He retired after 28 years to a $111,000-a-year pension for the first 10 years of his retirement. After that, it will drop to about $42,000 a year. His buyout cost the system about $603,000.

It's not clear how much time the retirees bought in part because those costs were redacted by pension officials in the records. The actuaries' $4.7 million estimate, though, takes into account money — often hundreds of thousands of dollars — that employees paid to buy more years. It appears from records that Schenk will put nearly $438,000 into the system as a part of his deal.

Calls and emails to the former appointees, including Schenk, weren't returned. Attorney Ed Plato, who represented some of them, stressed in an email the former appointees paid in to take the deal.

"Those employees who did retire early had to pay substantial sums of money into the system to purchase additional years of service," Plato wrote. He successfully sued Ficano on behalf of about 15 aides whose early-out deals were rescinded amid a 2011 scandal over former economic development chief Turkia Mullin's $200,000 severance.

Reform may be ahead

Although the total costs of the buyouts haven't been calculated, actuaries in 2011 estimated they would cost the pension system about $44.6 million if 120 appointees took the deals. About half did, not all of whom retired.

Dunleavy and other critics said the cost of the buyouts is outrageous since the system appears to be in worse shape than pension systems in Detroit. Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr has said the city's general retirement system funding levels may be as low as 65 percent.

The early retirement deals "put the system in jeopardy," said Bob Murphy, a former pension board member. "Those people haven't earned it. It's scamming the system."

The health of the pension system has become a bigger problem for Ficano. A court ruled in May the county must repay $32 million that Ficano redirected from a pension fund used to pay bonuses to retirees.

Ficano and county commissioners in 2011 made the county's annual payment to the system by dipping into a fund for the "13th check" — an annual extra payment retirees have received since 1986 instead of cost-of-living increases. Ficano is appealing the May ruling to the state Supreme Court.

Ficano has taken steps in the past few months to reform pensions, cutting benefits to some 270 appointees' defined benefit and contribution plans that are expected to save up to $800,000 per year. And his staff points out the county hasn't borrowed money to make pension payments, unlike Detroit.

This year, the county already must set aside $70 million to fully fund the retirement system, a 20 percent increase from last year.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130729/METRO01/307290008#ixzz2aSIWkvhb

Wayne County hasn't gotten much press until recently; largely because Detroit was in so much worse shape.  Wayne, though, operates largely on the same sort of system as Detroit (Kwame's father was on the County board.)   A couple scandals (the jail that they're $150 million over budget on and still haven't completed and Turkia Mullin's sweetheart deal mentioned in the article) are starting to bring focus that Wayne County is heading for the same sort of budget problems as Detroit. 
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Post by: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 26, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
No.
I've never gotten the fried chicken and waffle thing. Do they put syrup on it?

At the one place I've had it, they served syrup and hot sauce on the side.  Mind you, this was not a black restaurant, per se, but a Belgian restaurant located in a gentrified part of Over-the-Rhine.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 29, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
And it's one last desperate plea before 20 long years in the slammer:

QuoteKwame Kilpatrick makes another pitch for new trial, blames lawyer for guilty verdict
11:48 AM, July 29, 2013   | 
By Tresa Baldas

Detroit Free Press Staff Writer

Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, his father, Bernard Kilpatrick, and his longtime contractor friend Bobby Ferguson were convicted in U.S. District Court in Detroit. They were accused in a conspiracy to enrich themselves by rigging City of Detroit contracts through the mayor's office. Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted on 24 of 30 counts, Ferguson was found guilty on nine of 11 counts and Bernard Kilpatrick was convicted on one of four counts. A fourth defendant, former water department director Victor Mercado, pleaded guilty to conspiracy during the trial and awaits sentencing.

Just five weeks away from sentencing, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is asking for a new trial again, using the same argument he's made several times before: He was forced to use a lawyer he didn't want.

In a court filing Friday, Kilpatrick's defense attorney Harold Gurewitz argued that the court made a mistake last August when it denied Kilpatrick's request for a new lawyer. The request came right before the public corruption trial was about to start, with Kilpatrick claiming that he had lost confidence in his longtime attorney, James Thomas.

Gurewitz argues there were two reasons the judge should have honored Kilpatrick's request: One, Kilpatrick and his lawyer "were burdened with irreconcilable conflicts of interest," and two, the attorney-client relationship had been damaged.

U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds heard all that from Kilpatrick in court last year, but denied his request. She noted that when Kilpatrick ran out of money and couldn't afford a lawyer, he requested Thomas, so he got him. Edmunds also found that Thomas had been a good and effective lawyer for Kilpatrick.

Thomas represented Kilpatrick throughout the six-month trial, which ended with Kilpatrick getting convicted in March of racketeering, extortion, bribery and fraud. He will be sentenced Sept. 3 and faces 20-plus years in prison.

Two months after the guilty verdict, Kilpatrick officially dumped Thomas, telling Edmunds that "a grave error" occurred in his case and that he needed a new lawyer. He said that Thomas did not communicate with him properly or include him in the defense strategy during his racketeering trial.

"I believe that I was denied my right to counsel," Kilpatrick told Edmunds, who ultimately agreed to give him a new attorney.

Thomas agreed that it was time for him to step down.

Edmunds appointed Gurewitz to handle Kilpatrick's case.

Meanwhile, Kilpatrick's father and co-defendant, Bernard Kilpatrick, also wants his guilty verdict overturned. In a filing Friday, Kilpatrick's lawyer John Shea argued that there was not enough evidence to prove that his client knew his 2005 tax return was false. Bernard Kilpatrick was convicted on a single count of filing a false tax return and faces up to three years in prison when he is sentenced in September. He was acquitted on two other tax charges and cleared of the most serious charge, racketeering, because the jury was deadlocked on that count.

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Post by: Savonarola on July 29, 2013, 02:43:36 PM
While many whine about their pension being cut, some city workers are showing initiative:

Quote
Detroit Police chief to discuss arrests of two sergeants today

9:00 AM, July 29, 2013   | 

By Tammy Stables Battaglia and Elisha Anderson

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers


Detroit's police chief is scheduled to discuss today the arrest of sergeants from police departments in Detroit and St. Clair Shores in connection with an armed robbery.

Detroit Police Chief James Craig is expected to provide preliminary details at a 3 p.m. press conference at the Detroit Public Safety Headquarters, Sgt. Eren Stephens said in a release issued today. She said an arrest was made Saturday, but declined to discuss details.

A source familiar with the investigation said at least two men claimed they were assaulted and robbed by police officers on July 21 at a Citgo gas station on French near I-94. The Detroit police sergeant is a 20-year veteran.

St. Clair Shores Police Chief Michael Walleman has yet to comment on the investigation.

"The St. Clair Shores Police Department is aware of the allegation that has been made in Detroit," said a release issued today by the department. "This is part of an ongoing investigation and we are still receiving information. Discussing the matter now would be premature."

The Wayne County Prosecutor's Office expects to receive a warrant request from the Detroit Police Department sometime today, spokeswoman Maria Miller said in an e-mail this morning. She said she did not know where or if the officers were in custody and referred questions to police.

It's also good to see different districts working together like that.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 29, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 29, 2013, 12:24:56 PM
[quoteRecords show Ficano pensions costly for Wayne County
Christine MacDonald
The Detroit News

Detroit — Matt Schenk could soon get a pension worth nearly $97,000 a year as even though he's only 41 and spent just 8½ years as a top aide of Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano.

The county says his early retirement — and others like it — saved taxpayers money. But the deal won't be so sweet for the county's struggling pension system, which is one of the worst-funded in the nation at less than 50 percent.


I need to go work in county/city government. :smoke:



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Post by: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 26, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
My current resident state of North Carolina enacted a budget bill today that eliminates teacher tenure and gets rid of the automatic pay increase teachers receive for earning a master's degree. :showoff:

Awesome.  Because if North Carolina's school system need anything, it's additional disincentives to make the profession as unattractive as possible as a career path.

How about some incentive for them to do a good job?  Would you be in favor of that, smart guy?
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Post by: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
Performance evaluation is already embedded in the system, teacher-hating puddytat. 
Doing things like eliminating incentives in achieving higher levels of professional accomplishment such as education, like other professions, is not the same.
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Post by: Razgovory on July 29, 2013, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 26, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
My current resident state of North Carolina enacted a budget bill today that eliminates teacher tenure and gets rid of the automatic pay increase teachers receive for earning a master's degree. :showoff:

Awesome.  Because if North Carolina's school system need anything, it's additional disincentives to make the profession as unattractive as possible as a career path.

How about some incentive for them to do a good job?  Would you be in favor of that, smart guy?

Would you do such a thing to the military?  Should soldiers have taken a pay cut, lose part of their pensions and have their equipment budgets reduced for failure to destroy the Taliban?
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Post by: Jacob on July 29, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 04:28:57 PMHow about some incentive for them to do a good job?  Would you be in favor of that, smart guy?

Do you honestly think that the problem facing the American education system(s) is one of individual teachers not having incentives to individually excel?
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Post by: Phillip V on July 29, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 29, 2013, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 26, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
My current resident state of North Carolina enacted a budget bill today that eliminates teacher tenure and gets rid of the automatic pay increase teachers receive for earning a master's degree. :showoff:

Awesome.  Because if North Carolina's school system need anything, it's additional disincentives to make the profession as unattractive as possible as a career path.

How about some incentive for them to do a good job?  Would you be in favor of that, smart guy?

Would you do such a thing to the military?  Should soldiers have taken a pay cut, lose part of their pensions and have their equipment budgets reduced for failure to destroy the Taliban?

Yes.

The average 26-year-old Army Officer is paid around $100k/yr or more; can retire at age 42 with pension and healthcare for life.

You do the math.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 30, 2013, 03:27:57 PM
QuoteArtist makes statement in Crisco after Detroit bankruptcy filing
Serena Maria Daniels
The Detroit News

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Detroit — Sitting underneath the iconic bronze Joe Louis fist is what appears to be a giant can of Crisco.

To the left of the massive cooking shortening replica, a sign reads, "Helping to ease the pain of Detroit's bankruptcy."

Jerry Peterson, 57, a West Bloomfield artist and organizer of the "Dirty Show" who goes by Jerry Vile, says it's his way of getting people to talk about the implications of the city's historic bankruptcy filing this month.

"It's calling attention to the fact that (bankruptcy) is going to hurt," Vile told The Detroit News on Tuesday. "I'm hoping that people will do something to cut down on that hurt, to ease the pain."

Peterson, organizer of one of the largest exhibitions of erotic art in the country, and a team of collaborators unloaded the giant can about 7 a.m. Tuesday. While a few motorists stopped and made jokes, he made the delivery relatively unnoticed.

And then the Crisco can began to gain traction on social media sites.

"It's all over Facebook, Twitter. It's starting to appear on Instagram," Peterson said. "This thing is blowing up beyond my wildest dreams."

The text messages have been streaming onto Peterson's cellphone from all over the country. "I haven't got this many texts ... ever."

Jime Noseda, an attorney who works in City Hall, said he noticed the bright blue can from his fifth floor office and had to come down to get a closer look during his lunch break.

"The fist brings out all kinds of things in people," Noseda said. "I think a bottle of K-Y jelly would be more appropriate," said Marc A. Deldin, another attorney who joined Noseda for lunch.

That would have been too expected, Peterson said.

So why Crisco? The greasy, white substance, Peterson explained, has historical significance within the gay community.

"It's a cheap, readily available lubricant that was highly popular in the late 70s, early 80s, in a certain segment of underground gay America," he said. "If it was Vasoline or K-Y, it's too obvious, and their packaging isn't as pretty. I would never have considered anything else."


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130730/METRO01/307300085#ixzz2aYwIo6r0

:pinch:
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Post by: garbon on July 30, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
Love it. And proper face, Sav.
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Post by: The Brain on July 30, 2013, 03:54:43 PM
I don't get what the fist has to do with Crisco. Explain?
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Post by: fhdz on July 30, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
Good old Fistco.
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Post by: garbon on July 30, 2013, 11:02:51 PM
I love it. Back in my freshman year of college, I briefly had a joke site about fisting. I just got an email from a friend today entitled "Just in case you missed the crisco." Too good! :D
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Post by: Savonarola on August 05, 2013, 11:56:50 AM
Detroiter's aren't lazy,  :mad: those 411 murders last year didn't just happen by themselves.   :mad:

QuoteDetroit EM Kevyn Orr's 'dumb, lazy, happy and rich' comment about Detroit garners strong reaction

By Greg Gardner

Detroit Free Press Business Writer


City of Detroit retirees are headed to the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center today at noon to demand an apology from Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr for a quote attributed to him calling Detroit "Dumb, lazy, happy and rich" in a Wall Street Journal article.

To put the comment in context, it came near the end of a flattering profile by Allysia Finley, a journal editorial writer. Here is the paragraph that triggered reaction from other journalists and citizens almost immediately:

Much of Detroit's dysfunction is also due to simple complacency. "For a long time the city was dumb, lazy, happy and rich," he explains. "Detroit has been the center of more change in the 20th century than I dare say virtually any other city, but that wealth allowed us to have a covenant [that held] if you had an eighth grade education, you'll get 30 years of a good job and a pension and great health care, but you don't have to worry about what's going to come."

One of the first reactions came from Detroit native Ron Fournier, former Washington bureau chief for the Associated Press who now is editorial director of National Journal. Detroit is "a city he still doesn't get," Fournier tweeted to 21,500 followers, citing the "dumb, lazy, happy and rich" comment.

Forbes.com contributor and veteran auto industry journalist Micheline Maynard tweeted: "The top lawyers in the field show a courtesy and politesse about the people with whom they are negotiating. And certainly, about the people whom they represent."

In a longer post on Forbes.com, a publication not known for its hostility to business leaders, Maynard also challenged the accuracy or lack of specifics in Orr's use of "dumb, lazy, happy and rich."

"It is hard to know what era — or whom — Orr is talking about, when he says, 'dumb, lazy, happy and rich' — a phrase that is now certain to follow him throughout the rest of his 15-month tenure. As far back as Mayor Jerome P. Cavanagh in the 1960s, Detroit officials were focused about the city's future, trying to attract ventures like the Olympic Games to lift the world's impression.

"The years since the 1967 riots cannot in any way be described as happy ones for the Motor City, save for a brief respite in the 1990s when the American auto industry was booming ...," Maynard continued. "One has to infer from Orr's comments that he may be speaking of Detroit's unions, who opposed the bankruptcy filing and are challenging the city in court."

Orr spokesman Bill Nowling responded to Maynard with this comment: "I believe Kevyn Orr was speaking about the attitude of the body politic of the city of Detroit, not Detroiters themselves. And, I am pretty sure that history, both recent and ancient, bears out such a comment. For someone who grew up in the segregated south, as Kevyn did, Detroit was held up for generations to African Americans and others looking for a way out of poverty and injustice."

There's a lot of people in southeast Michigan who still want to believe that it's 1956.  GM is going to open a new plant, hire 50,000 more people and all the areas problems will be solved.  I think that's what Orr was trying to get at; that for too long metropolitan Detroit has lived on memories of more prosperous times and just assumed they would come back.  I can't think of a worse way he could have put it (at least not without using racial epithets.)
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Post by: KRonn on August 05, 2013, 12:45:25 PM
GM and other auto makers have been moving over seas or over the border to Canada and Mexico. GM has been making a major push in China adding facilities and workers, big market there, and good jobs for Chinese workers! So no, those jobs aren't likely to materialize, at least not in the numbers that Detroit needs them.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 05, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
Not an optimal choice of words on Orr's part.

Sav, do you know what happens at the end of those 15 months?
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Post by: Savonarola on August 05, 2013, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 05, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
Not an optimal choice of words on Orr's part.

Sav, do you know what happens at the end of those 15 months?

Local control is resumed by the city council and mayor.  This is an election year in Detroit, and the first one where the council is elected by district rather than everyone being at large.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 06, 2013, 04:34:07 PM
Everything must go:

QuoteDetroit to pay Christie's $200K to value DIA art
Robert Snell, Nolan Finley and Laura Berman
The Detroit News

Beal (Daniel Mears/The Detroit News)
DetroitDetroit — Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr announced Monday he has contracted with Christie's Appraisals, the New York-based international auction house, to appraise the value of the Detroit Institute of Arts.

The city will pay Christie's $200,000 to appraise what Christie's described as "a portion of the city-owned collection" at the DIA, according to Orr's spokesman Bill Nowling.

Outside experts also will be hired to provide valuations for other city-owned assets such as parking garages and parking meters, the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, the Coleman A. Young International Airport and certain real estate holdings.

The city's move to put a price tag on city assets will help negotiations with creditors but could fuel demand for a fire sale, legal experts said.

That possibility is especially controversial in the case of the DIA, with a value estimated in the billions. "It's an absolutely unprecedented situation," says Graham W. Beal, the DIA director, who contends the museum holds its collection in a public trust.

Beal said that the strong interest, local and national, in the value of the DIA as a city-owned asset had caused him sleepless nights and troubled dreams, as he tries to safeguard one of the Detroit area's greatest cultural treasures.

Orr said in a statement the decision to bring in Christie's came at the request of creditors. He added the DIA appraisal is part of a citywide valuation of assets and is intended to aid the restructuring process.

"The city must know the current value of all its assets, including the city-owned collection at the DIA," Orr said.

"There has never been, nor is there now, any plan to sell art. This valuation, as well as the valuation of other city assets, is an integral part of the restructuring process. It is a step the city must take to reach resolutions with its creditors and secure a viable, strong future for Detroit and its residents."

Art could be used as collateralOrr, who is trying to restructure the city's $11.5 billion of unsecured debt and speed up the biggest municipal bankruptcy case in U.S. history, said the auction house will also advise the city on "non-sale alternatives" for realizing value from the collection.

That could mean the city wants to borrow money while using the highly valuable Van Goghs and Matisses as collateral, Southfield-based bankruptcy attorney Michael Leib said.

The move does not mean a liquidation of artwork is imminent or inevitable but is expected to feed fear that one of the country's most significant publicly owned art museums is vulnerable during Detroit's historic bankruptcy case.

"The larger the value, the more there is going to be a cry from creditors that these assets should be liquidated to help share the pain," said Leib.

The move to hire Christie's comes amid a cry from creditors that the world-famous art collection is being shielded by the city while they are being asked to take as little as 10 cents on the dollar.

Beal argues that the city has never, in its long history, placed a dollar value on the museum. Even during the Depression, when staff was reduced, no one suggested stripping the galleries. "Our research is that the collection was never put on the city books as an asset," he said.

"We don't value our collections," said Beal. Individual works are valued for insurance purposes when they're loaned to other museums, and the museum secures "a hefty amount of insurance" that would cover the loss in the event of "a small bomb going off."

Beal says he has never heard of an appraisal like this one being done on a museum comparable to the DIA.

"Kevyn Orr says he doesn't want to sell anything that's irreplaceable. If the DIA doesn't qualify as an irreplaceable asset, I don't know what does."

DIA collection could attract residents.  Placing a value on assets is a normal part of most bankruptcies, but not Chapter 9 cases. Municipalities are not required to list assets and the court can not order sales.

The valuation could play a key role in Orr's talks with creditors. He has proposed a plan that would have unsecured creditors sharing a $2 billion payout in exchange for more than $11 billion in debt.

"Until you have this kind of information, there won't be any serious discussions about negotiating," Leib said of the appraisals. "There is no way creditors should be asked to compromise or agree to a plan without it."

A liquidation analysis could place a market value on the DIA collection, and estimate a fire sale price, said Douglas Bernstein, a Bloomfield Hills attorney and expert on municipal bankruptcy.

"If there is a forced sale, an auction, you're not going to maximize the return," Bernstein said.

The DIA collection's value could be more valuable in the city's hands, in his view.

"The only way you are going to attract a new tax base is if you've got something that brings people to the city and the DIA is one of those things," Bernstein said.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/METRO01/308060021#ixzz2bE7iSyUQ
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Post by: garbon on August 07, 2013, 12:42:55 AM
I think that last quote is very charitable.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on August 07, 2013, 12:56:30 AM
Yeah, museums follow tax base, doesn't really work the other way around.
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Post by: Syt on August 07, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
http://www.retronaut.com/2013/08/psychedelic-postcards-grande-ballroom-detroit/
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Post by: Savonarola on August 07, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
Quote
Mike Duggan, Benny Napoleon head for November showdown for Detroit mayor amid flood of write-ins

By Matt Helms, Joe Guillen and Marlon A. Walker

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers


In an uphill battle fought partly in court and partly in the neighborhoods of Detroit, former Detroit Medical Center CEO Mike Duggan heads for a showdown in November with Wayne County Sheriff Benny Napoleon as both seasoned political figures vie to become the next mayor of Detroit.

"There was one message tonight: Detroiters wanted change," said Duggan to about 1,000 supporters who cheered him Tuesday night at the Antheneum Hotel in Greektown.

"My opponent went out and aired negative ads," Duggan said. "Then, out of the city's 500,000 registered voters, they found Mike Dugeon."

With 100% of the precincts reporting, Napoleon had 28,352 votes or 30% of the total votes cast, to 50,328 votes or 53% for write-in candidates, with Duggan presumably garnering the vast majority of those. Duggan said about 97% of write-ins were correctly spelled for Duggan. The Mike Dugeon he referenced is a 31-year old barber who was added as a write-in candidate one day before the deadline.

"Looks like we're gonna end up with 52 percent of the vote," Duggan said at around 11:10 p.m.. "Six weeks ago, I was out of this campaign. I thought it was over. But the volunteers inspired me."

Meanwhile, Napoleon's campaign was watching early returns at the Teamsters Michigan Conference hall on Trumbull.

Napoleon told supporters the race was only at halftime, and he wasn't about to give up on the city.

"This was never supposed to be easy," he said to cheers. "The stakes are way too high for this to be easy. ... They have outspent me 4-1, but I'm here. There have been attempts to break our spirit, to suppress our vote, an emergency manager, bankruptcy, evidence that it was the plan all along, reduced to 'dumb and lazy,' but our spirit cannot, will not and must not be broken."

Political analyst Eric Foster called the results "very bad" for Napoleon and a big shock to his supporters who thought he was the front-runner.

"The strategy this go-round didn't work," Foster said. "They're going to have to go back and retool everything. It's going to have to be broader than an issue of race."

Duggan is white and moved from Livonia to Detroit last year. Napoleon is black and has lived in Detroit all of his life. Both men have political experience as elected officials and both have law degrees.

Napoleon's campaign can still win in November, Foster said. "It's doable. But it will be difficult."

Napoleon spokesman Jamaine Dickens echoed the sheriff's remarks.

"You win the primary by being No. 1or No. 2, so tonight is a victory," Dickens said. "I think it's sobering for some people who thought this would be easy. But the stakes are too high for it to be easy. And that means that folks get the opportunity now to take a look at both candidates and really participate in a dialogue about the city of Detroit. Things now get very clear."

The two emerged out of a field of 16. The next closest vote getter was former Detroit corporation counsel Krystal Crittendon with 6% of the vote. Those knocked out of the general election garnered about 16% of the vote Tuesday, which should have Duggan and Napoleon courting their support in November.

A final vote count of write-in ballots isn't expected until Wednesday, and official results could take days.

Early Wednesday morning, election workers were still at it at the election office on West Grand Boulevard.

Daniel Baxter, director of elections for the city of Detroit, said his night was made easier by the majority of voters going to the polls with the correct spelling for their chosen candidate.

"It didn't add the complexities that many thought (spelling gaffes) would," Baxter said. "It's pretty clear what Detroiters wanted to do in terms of voting."

There were few variations of the lead write-in candidate's name, said Baxter.

"Mike Duggan," "Mik Duggan" and just" "Duggan'' accounted for 97% of the write-in votes as of 1 a.m. today.

The last time a write-in candidate almost won the city's mayorship was in 1925 when Charles Bowles ran. He lost the general election after several of the write-in votes he received were disqualified. He won election four years later.

Political consultant Skip Mongo, a Napoleon supporter, said at Napoleon's gathering Tuesday night that he had been watching election results at the city's Election Commission and saw precincts where Duggan was carrying 50% or more of the votes, from "wealthy areas to the hood."

Mongo took the early returns as a wake-up call for Napoleon's campaign.

"They've got to beat the pavement. They've got to turn over rocks. They've got to energize people," Mongo said. "Right now that charge is Napoleon's."

Mongo noted that it's a primary election, and that projected turnout of 17% means most voters in the city stayed home Tuesday.

"This is not a mandate for Duggan," Mongo said. Still, if Napoleon and Duggan came in "dead even, that would be a wake up call. If Benny only won by 2%-3%, that's a wake-up call."

Duggan wasted little time Tuesday giving a glimpse of what he will be talking about on the campaign trail in the next few months.

Duggan said Belle Isle, the Detroit Institute of Arts and rec centers are critical to the city's future. "They have to be protected," he said.

"We're going to go see Gov. Snyder ... and it will be time to thank Mr. Orr for his services and send him back to Washngton D.C.," Duggan said.

Duggan received some criticism during the campaign when text messages from one of Gov. Rick Snyder's advisers revealed that Duggan was consulted and offered advice in the selection of Kevyn Orr as the state-appointed emergency manager. Duggan also sat on the board of the Education Achievement Authority, a state school district that was created from the approval of the emergency manager law.

Though activity seemed slow throughout the day, predictions of a record-low voter turnout for Detroit's primary election for its next mayor and City Council didn't bear out Tuesday, according to election officials.

Duggan appeared to be putting to rest the conventional wisdom that write-in candidates have no chance in Detroit, with voters at polling spots across the city saying they were writing him in. His message that his experience in turning around financial troubled entities in Wayne County, the suburban bus system and the once nearly bankrupt Medical Center appeared to resonate with residents of a city that has filed for the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history.

"This is the response I've been getting all day," Duggan said after thanking supporters on the city's northwest side Tuesday. "People have been wonderful, and we'll find out at 8 p.m. how it turns out."

Detroit Elections Director Daniel Baxter said that voter turnout, customarily low in primary elections statewide, had broken the 13% threshold by 5:30 p.m. There were concerns that turnout could set a record low given concerns about voter apathy as Detroit wades through a historic bankruptcy petition with the city under the control of a state-appointed emergency manager.

Baxter said he expected voter turnout to hit 17% by the day's end, with vote tallies for candidates on the ballot completed by 11 p.m. Tuesday. While those results were expected to give an overall count of how many people wrote in candidates, Baxter said it would take an additional two hours — or until about 1 a.m. today — for elections workers to count by hand each write-in vote and tally variations of spellings of candidates including Duggan.

While candidates were preparing for late-evening soirées, Dugeon was home watching television. The late-entry write-in candidate said he voted Tuesday afternoon, then returned home to relax.

There's no party planned for the Dugeon campaign, but that doesn't mean Dugeon won't be out and about, he said.

"I might go to Mike Duggan's party" at the hotel, Dugeon said. "Walk through there, have a couple drinks. Just hang out."

The past two weeks have been a whirlwind for the 31-year-old barber. He's been off work more than a week after the press became too much of a distraction and hasn't been staying at his northwest Detroit home for the same reason. Friday morning, he was robbed and carjacked.

While his candidacy began somewhat as a joke, he said he started taking the matter more seriously when people he'd never met before started reaching out to show their support.

"I couldn't let them down," he said.

Political analyst Eric Foster, who's done work for mayoral candidate state Rep. Fred Durhal Jr., said he heard from several poll inspectors on the city's west side that there were a significant number of spoiled ballots from voters who improperly wrote in candidates for mayor and other city offices. But Baxter reported no major voting delays, although there were complaints that voting machines had jammed at an east-side precinct where there were few signs to direct voters to new polling locations.

"It's been a pretty smooth day," Baxter said.

Smooth is not how the campaign had gone before Tuesday.

Duggan was booted off the ballot after competitor Tom Barrow challenged whether Duggan had lived in the city — having moved there from suburban Livonia — for a full year the day he turned in campaign signatures to run.

Two courts sided with Barrow, forcing Duggan to run as a write-in at the urging of downtown business leaders who were among the biggest donors to his $1.2-million campaign war chest.

Napoleon raised about half that much but gathered far more major endorsements from unions, clergy and election slates citywide, and polls showed he was a virtual shoo-in for one of two top spots to make it to the Nov. 5 general election.

Dickens, Napoleon's campaign spokesman, said Napoleon purposefully wanted a low-key election event Tuesday night, because winning the primary only meant he had another election to win this fall.

Napoleon would celebrate a victory Tuesday night but not rest there, Dickens said.

"For us this is the beginning of the campaign," Dickens said. "We're getting focused and reloading."

Former top city attorney Krystal Crittendon's opposition to emergency manager Kevyn Orr drew the support of Paul Kempinski, an east-sider who works for the city's recreation department and said he appreciated her message about restoring trust and cleaning up contracting for city services.

"The thing is, what we really need is honest in the mayor's office," Kampinski said after voting at East English Village Academy on the city's east side. "There's a whole lot of grief in this city, and it's all being done behind closed doors. Detroit can solve its problems when it knows what the problems are."

Heading to Henry Ford High School on the campaign trail, Crittendon said she was "having a really great time, but I'm most excited by the fact that a large number of Detroiters are rallying behind my cry to get Kevyn Orr out of the city."

Referring to comments Orr made in the Wall Street Journal calling the city of years past "dumb, lazy, happy and rich," Crittendon said Orr "has proven to us that he is someone who has disdain for us residents of this city. If the governor won't remove him, I will fire him."

But it was that stance that turned off Detroiter Ezekiel Burns, a postal worker from the city's east side who wrote in Duggan's name.

"Krystal Crittendon insulted my integrity — you try to fire the emergency manager and it's only going to cost us more money," Burns said after voting at Clark Elementary. "Tom Barrow keeps trying to bring race into it. Benny Napoleon, what has he done?"

Debra Bray, a retail manager from the east side, said that she voted for Duggan.

"I think he'll be the best candidate, and I think he'll bring more jobs and business to Detroit," she said. "He's going to go by the book. He'll get the streetlights working again, and he'll get more police officers on the street."

But the issue of public safety in a city that's among the nation's most violent led many voters to choose Napoleon, the longtime lawman.

"He has had leadership roles as police officer, as well as Wayne County sheriff," said James Wright, 69. "Detroit needs someone like Napoleon."

Ruth Brown, 45, said Napoleon is the right candidate for the job.

"Benny Napoleon is a native Detroiter and he has more of a connection with Detroit than the other candidates," Brown said.

Detroit mayoral candidate Lisa Howze, a certified public accountant and former state representative, arrived shortly after 7 a.m. to cast her ballot — she was the fourth voter at her precinct — at Greater St. Paul Baptist Church on Gratiot.

"I think people are looking for solutions. They want answers," she said. "I always say that the City of Detroit can not get better until life is better for the people who live here and so that means safe, clean streets, the ability to have access to jobs and opportunity as well as strong neighborhoods anchored by strong schools."

Howze's message attracted the vote of Carole Stramler, a professor at Wayne State University.

"Why not have a female mayor?" she said. "If we're going to rebuild, why not rebuild from scratch?"

Voters said their vote felt less important because elected officials have little authority under the emergency manager.

"I feel like ultimately, all the decisions for the city are going to be made by the emergency manager and the governor," said Aaquila Shepard, 32, who voted at the North Rosedale Park Community House.

Shepard said the emergency manager's presence dampened her excitement for the new process of electing council members by district.

"I like the idea of having a council person who lives in your district to represent you," she said.

Leon Bradford, 65, agreed the emergency manager's authority loomed over the election. Bradford, who also voted at the North Rosedale Park Community House, said he felt like his voting rights have been taken away.

"I don't see where the council can do a whole lot," he said. "What can a council member do? They can't oppose the guy."

This was a strange election, even by Detroit standards.  Duggan is an unlikely front-runner since he's a white man and a carpet-bagger.  He had his name removed from the ballot because he didn't meet the residency requirement.  He ran a write-in campaign and, at the last minute a Mike Dugeon entered as a write in candidate; so the people who voted for "Mike D" or the like had their votes disqualified.  (The News had a list of the write-ins by name; someone voted for "The White Man Mike Duggan.")

Fortunately the budget crisis deniers lost. Mike Duggan and Benny Napoleon are both decent choices.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: The Brain on August 07, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Benny Napoleon? You don't have to be an actual person?
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on August 07, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Benny Napoleon? You don't have to be an actual person?
Not in Detroit.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on August 07, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 07, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Benny Napoleon? You don't have to be an actual person?
Not in Detroit.

That applies to voters, not candidates.  ;)
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Post by: KRonn on August 08, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
Heh, very strange election indeed.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
This sounds promising, but the police department has been reformed before and nothing much changed:

QuoteDetroit— Police Chief James Craig said Thursday he plans to overhaul the police department to fix several problems he's uncovered since assuming command July 1.

Among the changes: A complete restructuring of what Craig said is a top-heavy organization, which includes significantly reducing the much-criticized Executive Protection Unit for the mayor and City Council; an initiative targeting carjackings; and ensuring the department monitors their expenses.

In one instance, Craig said he found the department was paying for vehicles with expired leases that had blown engines and were not operational.

"I wish I could make this up," Craig said during his bi-weekly press conference at Police Headquarters. "You might detect a little frustration in my voice."

Craig said a large part of the problem is with the department's command staff, which he said has been content with the "Status quo. No sense of urgency. No accountability. Those are the kind of things that I'm committed to change.

"The men and women who wear this uniform are hardworking and committed ... but I've been somewhat critical of those who have held executive level positions," Craig said.

"You will see in the coming weeks a new organizational structure that will look nothing like what you saw. I have every intention of flattening the organization. One of the criticisms of the police department is that we're top-heavy, and I, along with the consultants, agree we are top heavy. We're taking a very critical look at who sits at the executive levels of this organization."

The Manhattan Institute and Bratton Group signed a contract June to suggest ways to improve the department at a cost of $621,578. The three-month contract, which runs from July to October, calls for the consultants to be in Detroit until October, aiding with several initiatives, including restructuring the command staff, and an effort to prevent street crime through aggressive traffic enforcement.

Other issues Craig addressed during his wide-ranging, hour-long press conference included:

Reducing the number of bodyguards assigned to the mayor and City Council. There are 22 members assigned to guard Mayor Dave Bing, but Craig said that will change immediately.

"Effective Monday, we're reducing that number to one supervisor and five police officers," he said. "That's a significant reduction. The officers ... are being reassigned to operational assignments.

"In my judgment, every officer counts. We're talking about a time of fiscal crisis. This is not just about the mayor's EPU; this is about the larger picture."

The number of guards assigned to City Council will drop from five to 3, with one supervisor and two officers, Craig said.

■Using civilians as dispatchers instead of officers who will return to patrol duty.

"For as long as I've known, dispatchers have been sworn officers," Craig said. "We're moving to civilianize that function."

"My message to the command staff is, take a look at your commands, start identifying police officers that are working in clerical positions and make a decision," he said. "Because there will come a time when I will make a decision for them, very soon, and we'll start pushing those officers into the field."

■Bringing back the Tactical Services Section that was disbanded under former chief Chester Chester Logan, which will, in part, put an emphasis on suppressing gang activity.

"We're looking at several platoons of officers involved in TSS," Craig said. "One platoon will consist of (Special Response Team) officers. Their mission will be directed to hot spots, where we're seeing spikes in violent crime.

"We are looking at bringing back, as part of that effort, a Gang Intelligence Unit. We're not certain there will be uniformed officers in a Gang Squad configuration, but we will have a gang intelligence function that will be married to our TSS officers, who will be deployed. If we have an active street gang that's involved in carjacking, then the mission of TSS for a period of time will be to disrupt that gang. Gang function will exist; just not in a gang squad format."

■Hiring more officers. Craig said the department is losing through retirement and attrition about 20 to 25 officers per month. He said there are about 20 trainees in the Police Academy now, but wants to hire 60 more. "We're in a big push to hire," he said. "We have the funding for it. It's city funding. It was already earmarked."

■Bringing detectives back to the precincts, a policy which was abandoned by former Chief Ralph Godbee, who moved them into a centralized location.

"I think there's a lot of value in that," Craig said. "We talk about community policing partnerships; it's important that community members know they can reach out and touch a detective.

"We will maintain a centralized investigative function for more serious crimes like homicides and sexual assaults ... but in terms of generalized investigations like home invasions not involving, say, serial home invasions, will probably be at the precinct level," Craig said.

■Craig also said two officers from the Northeast District have been suspended without pay after they allegedly fired about 20 shots at a dog, killing it.

"The incident occurred on July 21; two officers assigned to the NE district received a radio run of a vicious dog who was chasing children in the area of Nevada and Shields," Craig said. "Supervisors conducted video review, and it revealed the actions of the officers.

"The preliminary investigation revealed several departmental policy violations, and possible criminal behavior. Based on the review of that video and impending investigation, the officers have been suspended without pay as a result of their actions, and a complete investigation of this matter is being conducted by our Force Investigation Division."

Upon completion of that investigation, the matter will be forwarded to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office for review, Craig said.

■The two alleged robbers posing as Detroit police officers have been arrested, Craig said. Those men are different from the two sergeants — one from Detroit, the other from St. Clair Shores — who sources say took back $500 and a cell phone from men who'd robbed the daughter of the St. Clair Shores sergeant. That case is still under investigation, Craig said.

"On July 29 and Aug. 4, suspects had identified themselves as police officers, stopped victims who all were on foot, and subsequently frisked and robbed the victims of their cash and personal property," Craig said. "The victims in both instances described the perpetrators as having wore badges and bullet-proof vests, and a vehicle description was provided.

"(On Aug. 4), Northeast District Special Operations (officers) were on patrol in the area of 7 Mile and Van Dyke, and they observed the wanted vehicle. They conducted a stop of the vehicle and arrested two suspects. The officers recovered badges, bulletproof vests and two firearms."

Warrant requests were submitted to Wayne County Prosecutors. One arrestee is currently on parole for weapons and home invasion-related offense, Craig said.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130808/METRO01/308080119#ixzz2bPjptDMD

Bad cops, bad cops, what you gonna do?  What you gonna do when they come for you?

I'm surprised they still had so many police officers assigned to the mayor.  From what I had read I assumed that was a patronage program for Kwame Kilpatrick's high school buddies.
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Post by: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:

Because people don't always like their mayors.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:

For the same reason Subways in Detroit have to have bullet proof glass between you and the sandwich artist.

Detroit is a dangerous place.  It really doesn't need the publicity that would come from, say, having the mayor get car jacked.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
For the same reason Subways in Detroit have to have bullet proof glass between you and the sandwich artist.

:huh:  That's nuts.
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Post by: Tonitrus on August 08, 2013, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:

Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the President/Prime Minister/Grand Potentate? :wacko:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 05:34:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
For the same reason Subways in Detroit have to have bullet proof glass between you and the sandwich artist.

:huh:  That's nuts.

It's Detroit.  You have to shout your toppings at the sandwich maker. 

I have a friend who grew up in Detroit and then went to college at The Catholic University of America in Washington DC.  It was only well after college that he learned that there were post offices and banks without bullet proof glass between at the teller windows.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
There must be other fast food joints that operate in Motown.  How do they handle crime?
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Post by: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
There must be other fast food joints that operate in Motown.  How do they handle crime?

I think the concern with Subway in particular is that they usually have a small staff, especially at late hours and they don't have a seating area.  Other restaurants will usually have larger staffs and customers around, so they don't go to such extreme measures.
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Post by: garbon on August 08, 2013, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
There must be other fast food joints that operate in Motown.  How do they handle crime?

I think the concern with Subway in particular is that they usually have a small staff, especially at late hours and they don't have a seating area.  Other restaurants will usually have larger staffs and customers around, so they don't go to such extreme measures.

Odd. I believe all the one's here in New York do.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
The Manhattan Institute and Bratton Group signed a contract June to suggest ways to improve the department at a cost of $621,578. The three-month contract, which runs from July to October, calls for the consultants to be in Detroit until October, aiding with several initiatives, including restructuring the command staff, and an effort to prevent street crime through aggressive traffic enforcement.

Shit, I would've done it a hell of a lot cheaper.

QuoteReducing the number of bodyguards assigned to the mayor and City Council. There are 22 members assigned to guard Mayor Dave Bing, but Craig said that will change immediately.

"Effective Monday, we're reducing that number to one supervisor and five police officers," he said. "That's a significant reduction. The officers ... are being reassigned to operational assignments.

"In my judgment, every officer counts. We're talking about a time of fiscal crisis. This is not just about the mayor's EPU; this is about the larger picture."

Yup;  a supervisor to do scheduling and 5 officer slots is all you need for a 40+ hour work week.

QuoteThe number of guards assigned to City Council will drop from five to 3, with one supervisor and two officers, Craig said.

That's just silly anyway. Axe it to two and only when the City Council is in session.

Quote■Using civilians as dispatchers instead of officers who will return to patrol duty.

"For as long as I've known, dispatchers have been sworn officers," Craig said. "We're moving to civilianize that function."

"My message to the command staff is, take a look at your commands, start identifying police officers that are working in clerical positions and make a decision," he said. "Because there will come a time when I will make a decision for them, very soon, and we'll start pushing those officers into the field."

Imagine that.  Using civilians (who could be better trained and talented) in non-patrol and bureaucratic positions that could free up sworn personnel and put them on the street where they belong.  Welcome to the 1990s, Chief.  Now do it for other departments, like evidence control, media relations and other bureaucratic departments that don't require sworn officers--especially when civilians can do it better.

Quote■Bringing back the Tactical Services Section that was disbanded under former chief Chester Chester Logan, which will, in part, put an emphasis on suppressing gang activity.

"We're looking at several platoons of officers involved in TSS," Craig said. "One platoon will consist of (Special Response Team) officers. Their mission will be directed to hot spots, where we're seeing spikes in violent crime.

"We are looking at bringing back, as part of that effort, a Gang Intelligence Unit. We're not certain there will be uniformed officers in a Gang Squad configuration, but we will have a gang intelligence function that will be married to our TSS officers, who will be deployed. If we have an active street gang that's involved in carjacking, then the mission of TSS for a period of time will be to disrupt that gang. Gang function will exist; just not in a gang squad format."

TSS/Task Force/Flex Teams/Special Ops/Organized Crime, whatever it's called, it never should've gone away.  And they haven't had Gang Intelligence Unit all this time?  You've got to be shitting me.

Quote■Hiring more officers. Craig said the department is losing through retirement and attrition about 20 to 25 officers per month. He said there are about 20 trainees in the Police Academy now, but wants to hire 60 more. "We're in a big push to hire," he said. "We have the funding for it. It's city funding. It was already earmarked."

I bet they've always had the money, it's just easier--not cheaper but easier, as in lazier--to pay overtime than hire and train new cops.  Open it to laterals, make it competitive, and set the bar high.  Don't be Washington, DC.  Don't be that guy.

Quote■Bringing detectives back to the precincts, a policy which was abandoned by former Chief Ralph Godbee, who moved them into a centralized location.

"I think there's a lot of value in that," Craig said. "We talk about community policing partnerships; it's important that community members know they can reach out and touch a detective.

"We will maintain a centralized investigative function for more serious crimes like homicides and sexual assaults ... but in terms of generalized investigations like home invasions not involving, say, serial home invasions, will probably be at the precinct level," Craig said.

That was a stupid move to begin with.  It's the detectives that know the neighborhoods the best.  The never should've left.  Dumbasses.

Quote■Craig also said two officers from the Northeast District have been suspended without pay after they allegedly fired about 20 shots at a dog, killing it.

Good.  I hope his new implementations includes revamping the Internal Affairs/Internal Investigations as well.  Bringing in an outsider with IA experience would help in that endeavor.

QuoteI'm surprised they still had so many police officers assigned to the mayor.  From what I had read I assumed that was a patronage program for Kwame Kilpatrick's high school buddies.

Probably was.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 08, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2013, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 08, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 08, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
There must be other fast food joints that operate in Motown.  How do they handle crime?

I think the concern with Subway in particular is that they usually have a small staff, especially at late hours and they don't have a seating area.  Other restaurants will usually have larger staffs and customers around, so they don't go to such extreme measures.

Odd. I believe all the one's here in New York do.

Only ones I've seen without have been inside gas stations.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 12:50:31 PM
Fire up the way-back machine for 1973:

QuoteDetroit's misplaced $1M check bares inefficiency

In late February, cash-strapped Detroit received a $1 million check from the local school system that wasn't deposited. The routine payment wound up in a city hall desk drawer, where it was found a month later.

This is the way Detroit did business as it slid toward its bankruptcy filing, which it entered July 18. The move exposed $18 billion of long-term obligations in a city plagued by unreliable buses, broken street lights and long waits for police and ambulances. Underlying poor service is a government that lacks modern technology and can't perform such basic functions as bill collecting, according to Kevyn Orr, Detroit's emergency manager.

"Nobody sends million-dollar checks anymore — they wire the money," said Orr spokesman Bill Nowling. Except in Detroit.

"We have financial systems that are three, four, five decades in the past," Nowling said. "If we can fix those issues, then we'll be able to provide services better, faster, more efficiently and cheaper."

Detroit doesn't have a central municipal computer system, and each department bought its own machinery — much of which never worked properly, according to Orr, 55, who took over in March. The last such acquisition, 15 years ago, was of a system based on Oracle Corp. technology that wasn't fully put to work.

The city is buying new software to improve income-tax collection, especially from suburban commuters who work in Detroit, said James Bonsall, the chief financial officer hired by Orr. The dysfunction extends beyond machinery, Nowling said.

Union rules have "bumped" workers into positions they aren't qualified for as departments make cuts, he said. The city has no training programs and doesn't evaluate employees in 2,500 job classifications.

"It has nothing to do with bad employees," Nowling said. "These employees in some instances are still following work rules that were created 40 years ago."

Detroit's operational flaws are pronounced, according to a June 14 report from Orr.

It costs the city $62 to process each paycheck, every pay period, for its 9,560 employees, compared with an average of $18 for U.S. public employers, Orr said in the report. The main reason for the high cost is that almost 150 full-time workers produce Detroit's payroll, including 51 uniformed officers.

The city's income-tax receipts are processed by hand, among the 70 percent of accounting entries done manually, according to Orr. He said in his report that the U.S. Internal Revenue Service described Detroit's tax-collection system as "catastrophic" in a July 2012 audit.

Detroit's antiquated accounting processes have meant some bills go uncollected for as long as six years, according to Orr, cutting funds that could buy new squad cars, emergency vehicles or computers. Victims of heart attacks in Detroit are likely to die because of slow responses to emergency calls since so few ambulances are running, Orr said in an interview.

City vehicles are old and their maintenance is poor, said Gary Brown, who left the City Council to help Orr improve municipal operations. A group of companies, including Detroit- based General Motors Co., have agreed to pay about $8 million to provide new vehicles for emergency medical services and police.

Brown said it's difficult to find 45 operable garbage trucks in a fleet of 180 to pick up trash five days a week.

"That's unconscionable," he said, citing too few mechanics, lax work rules and a lack of spare parts. He said there are plans to hire a hauling company to pick up trash.

Bankruptcy may pay for better services by reducing Detroit's daily costs as much as 40 percent, said John Mogk, a law professor specializing in urban policy at the city's Wayne State University. Orr has proposed giving holders of $11.5 billion in municipal debt pennies on the dollar to free up money for programs, including new equipment.

"You're talking about $300 million or $400 million that would not go toward past obligations, but could be put into new investments or services for the city," Mogk said. "It opens up new opportunities for the city to try to improve living conditions in the city and try to stimulate economic growth."

Orr has proposed spending $1.25 billion over 10 years to improve services — especially public safety — for a city that has lost a fourth of its population since 2000 and is riddled with blight. A neglected government infrastructure is partly to blame, Nowling said.

Police take an average of 58 minutes to respond to priority calls, compared with a national average of 11 minutes, Orr said in his June report. Besides too few officers — the department's roster has shrunk by 40 percent since 2003 — there's no computer system connecting precincts to let them quickly share information. Officers write tickets and reports by hand.

Police Commander Todd Bettison disputes the response times cited by Orr, saying it took an average 15 minutes for officers to get to 80 percent of the 277,800 calls received last year. The other 20 percent were mostly nonlife-threatening calls in which the response may have taken days, such as complaints about animals, Bettison said by telephone.

It isn't unusual for municipalities to use outdated technology, though Detroit is worse off than others, said Bill Brandt, chief executive officer of Development Specialists, Inc., a Chicago-based turnaround consultant. He said the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks exposed communications-systems flaws that made it hard for New York police and firefighters to coordinate.

Brandt said Michigan's government could've helped Detroit acquire more up-to-date technology.

"Not enough has gone into reinventing government," Brandt said. "It'll get there, but taxpayers have never enthusiastically supported a Cadillac and only want to pay for a Chevy."

The biggest challenge for the Motor City is serving a shrinking, poorer population that needs jobs, and is spread across an area larger than Boston, San Francisco and Manhattan combined, Mogk said.

Brandt said Orr's plan didn't lay out a long-term strategy for boosting jobs based in Detroit, which he said is the key to attracting new residents.

"Improvement of services will help," Brandt said. Yet it is the promise of jobs that will lead more people to move into the city, he said.

Detroit resident Latisha Lee, 40, sees the result of fewer bulk trash pickups — more illegal dumping. In an alley two blocks away, mattresses, broken furniture, carpeting and other debris have piled up.

Lee lives near Eight Mile, which demarks the city line with its northern suburbs.

"I notice when I go across Eight Mile how much cleaner it is, how in the fall they can rake their leaves into the street and the city picks them up," Lee said in an interview on her porch. She said the property-tax bill is $4,200 a year for her 1,100 square-foot bungalow.

"For the amount of money we pay in taxes, we should have better city services," Lee said.

Brown agrees. He said curbing employee absenteeism and implementing worker-performance evaluations are among the ways the city can do a better job for residents.

"People want to see the street lights come on, they want to see more police officers out there, they expect to see the level of service increase under the emergency manager," Brown said. "We're fixing a lot of things people don't see that will absolutely affect the things they do see."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130809/METRO01/308090083#ixzz2bUiKIBDz

The state of Michigan (and the Federal Government) did give the city money to update it's police equipment.  In true Detroit fashion they purchased incompatible equipment (presumably supplied by friends and family of Kwame Kilpatrick.) 

Any attempts to re-invent government from outside were met with hostility from the city; as this goes on it's obvious that bankruptcy was the only way forward.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 12:50:31 PM
The state of Michigan (and the Federal Government) did give the city money to update it's police equipment.  In true Detroit fashion they purchased incompatible equipment (presumably supplied by friends and family of Kwame Kilpatrick.)

Not so hasty, Mr. Presumably-supplied-by-friends-and-family-of-Kwame-Kilpatrick.  The RFP model used in government often dictates that the lowest bidder wins, and not all departments would issue RFPs to the same companies, or issue them during the same fiscal year, and not all the same companies would win the bids.  That's universal to municipal and state government, not just to Detroit.

QuoteUnion rules have "bumped" workers into positions they aren't qualified for as departments make cuts, he said.

Does he have proof, or is this just his bullshit opinion?

QuoteIt costs the city $62 to process each paycheck, every pay period, for its 9,560 employees, compared with an average of $18 for U.S. public employers, Orr said in the report. The main reason for the high cost is that almost 150 full-time workers produce Detroit's payroll, including 51 uniformed officers.

Either get their dumb asses on the street, and if they're on disability, retire them outright.
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Post by: derspiess on August 09, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
Does he have proof, or is this just his bullshit opinion?

Would it matter to you?  You'd ignore or discount any proof anyway.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 09, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 02:31:38 PM
Does he have proof, or is this just his bullshit opinion?

Would it matter to you?  You'd ignore or discount any proof anyway.

There's gotta be proof to make such an assertion, isn't there?
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 09, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
It's easily verifiable.  Union rules are in the public domain.
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Post by: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:
Yeah, that's extraordinary. It sounded like even councillors had them too :blink:
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:
Yeah, that's extraordinary. It sounded like even councillors had them too :blink:

Meh, the only reason why they do that is that Mayors have a habit of going out amongst Teh Pipples at a moment's notice, in unseemly neighborhoods.  And besides, you never know when somebody wants to punch Hizzoner in the chops over a parking ticket.

But having 22 on the mayoral detail is a bit much.  Usually it's just his or her driver.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:
Yeah, that's extraordinary. It sounded like even councillors had them too :blink:

Each councilor had his own staff or 4 to 8 assistants as well.  Some things like that are holdovers from more prosperous times; the city of Detroit once had over two million people.  As the city is now under 700,000 people, there's no reason to have a full time council; much less a full time council with a large staff.

Detroit is the only other city in the United States (in addition to New York City) with its own Mayoral Mansion.  The Manoogian Mansion:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmichiganmatters.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2Fmanoogian.jpg&hash=747f1ccaf11d2aeb558179a1dcd63c686fc1bb99)
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Post by: Barrister on August 09, 2013, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 08, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
Why would you have any cops assigned to protect the mayor?  :wacko:
Yeah, that's extraordinary. It sounded like even councillors had them too :blink:

Meh, the only reason why they do that is that Mayors have a habit of going out amongst Teh Pipples at a moment's notice, in unseemly neighborhoods.  And besides, you never know when somebody wants to punch Hizzoner in the chops over a parking ticket.

But having 22 on the mayoral detail is a bit much.  Usually it's just his or her driver.

Oh, I understand why a mayor may need protection from time to time.  But that's it - from time to time.  In that case you just get members assigned as necessary.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 09, 2013, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 03:17:06 PM

Each councilor had his own staff or 4 to 8 assistants as well.  Some things like that are holdovers from more prosperous times; the city of Detroit once had over two million people.  As the city is now under 700,000 people, there's no reason to have a full time council; much less a full time council with a large staff.

Detroit is the only other city in the United States (in addition to New York City) with its own Mayoral Mansion.  The Manoogian Mansion:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmichiganmatters.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2Fmanoogian.jpg&hash=747f1ccaf11d2aeb558179a1dcd63c686fc1bb99)


Bing should have sold that off first thing.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 09, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
Detroit real estate is not exactly piping hot right now.
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Post by: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
Each councilor had his own staff or 4 to 8 assistants as well. 
:blink:

Here most MPs don't have a staff of more than 4. I'd be amazed if any councillor (outside London) had a staff, except maybe the council heads.

Edit: On the other hand from a British perspective it's really weird Detroit only has 9 councillors :mellow:
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Post by: Savonarola on August 09, 2013, 06:44:01 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
:blink:

Here most MPs don't have a staff of more than 4. I'd be amazed if any councillor (outside London) had a staff, except maybe the council heads.

Edit: On the other hand from a British perspective it's really weird Detroit only has 9 councillors :mellow:

Those are patronage positions today (admittedly they probably were back when the city was much larger.)  The last head of the city council, Charles Pugh, had his own spokesman, even though Pugh was a news anchor before running for city council.

How many councilors would be typical in a British city of 700,000?
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Post by: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 07:10:58 PM
Leeds City Council is roughly the same size. They've got 99 councillors. But most British councillors are part-time. If they take on more responsibilities - say elected to the leadership or the transport committee - then they spend more time as councillor.
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Post by: dps on August 09, 2013, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 09, 2013, 07:10:58 PM
Leeds City Council is roughly the same size. They've got 99 councillors. But most British councillors are part-time. If they take on more responsibilities - say elected to the leadership or the transport committee - then they spend more time as councillor.

99?  I don't think any American city, even NYC or LA, has anywhere near that many. 

Looked it up--NYC has 51, but LA only has 15.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 10, 2013, 01:57:45 AM
99?  Totally wingnut.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on August 10, 2013, 02:06:51 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 10, 2013, 01:57:45 AM
99?  Totally wingnut.

Or they just want to ensure that the position is unimportant.
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Post by: The Brain on August 10, 2013, 02:07:51 AM
Would make a great song though.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 10, 2013, 02:10:31 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 10, 2013, 02:06:51 AM
Or they just want to ensure that the position is unimportant.

Right.  Like party line voting. 
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Post by: DontSayBanana on August 10, 2013, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: The Brain on August 10, 2013, 02:07:51 AM
Would make a great song though.

"I got 99 councilors, but I ain't one."
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Post by: Savonarola on August 11, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Mob justice in the age of Facebook:

QuoteDetroit neighborhood takes vigilante action against rape suspect

On a pleasant, partly sunny afternoon, an armed security guard stood watch over an apartment building in the Hubbard Farms neighborhood in southwest Detroit.

The guard wouldn't say why he was there. But behind him last Tuesday, scrawled onto the ornate stone facade of the building on West Grand Boulevard, the word "rapist" could still be seen, even after efforts that morning to scrub it off. A faded blue arrow sprayed above the graffiti letters still pointed to an apartment window, still condemning whoever lived in that first-floor home.

But the 43-year-old occupant wasn't there any longer. His family moved him, afraid he'd be killed.

Inside the homes on these tight-knit blocks and along the thriving businesses and vacant storefronts of Vernor Highway in Detroit's Mexicantown, the former resident of that apartment is widely believed to be a rapist. His accuser is a 15-year-old girl who, as the streets have it, was cajoled into his apartment on July 17 and attacked. She's from the neighborhood, too. She has Down syndrome. The neighborhood is furious.

The man has not been charged. Police still are investigating. And last Monday, nearly three weeks after the alleged attack, frustration over the slow pace of justice went from simmer to boil.

During the lunch hour, people located the man, whose name and image had been circulated in the community, walking along Vernor. They beat him repeatedly. Witnesses at one point saw five attackers. At least one had a baseball bat. The man spent several hours in the hospital that day and then went into hiding.

Now the community is torn. Some residents are horrified and wonder how this vigilantism happened. Others have applauded the attackers, posting hallelujahs on Facebook. The Free Press spent last week interviewing neighbors and witnesses and talking to police and prosecutors to piece together how it all came to this.

Odd behavior
The walk to work is only four blocks. From her house, the girl goes two blocks north on Hubbard. Turns left on Vernor. Two more blocks to Cafe Con Leche, the neighborhood coffee shop. That's where she works. The owner said he thinks it's her first job.

The girl's biological mother, a single woman, died of cancer about seven years ago, and the neighbors across the street took in the girl and her siblings as their own. Other neighbors help out, too, leading many to call the teen a daughter of the community. Her new parents have legal guardianship.

She loves to sit on her porch and to hip-hop dance. Friends said the coffee shop job — twice a week, two hours a day — is to help teach her some independence. She started July 8.

"She worked pretty hard," said owner Jordi Carbonell, who has known the girl since she was 9. He also knows the rape suspect, saying he has had to kick the man out on occasion for hitting on women.

On July 17, the girl was late for her 3:30 p.m. start at the shop. Carbonell called her parents at 3:35, concerned. But the girl walked in a few minutes later, saying she had been with a friend.

But that night she told her parents that she had been raped. The girl, whom the Free Press is not naming because she is a possible victim of a sex crime, told police the man from the apartment building approached her as she walked to work and asked her to come to his home. Inside the apartment, she said, he kissed her, told her to disrobe and raped her. Then he took nude photos of her with his cell phone, she said. She dressed and walked to work.

The police were told the man's nickname and address. He is known in the neighborhood, familiar for odd behavior, high socks and puffy hair. The Free Press is not naming him because he has not been charged.

The parents waited for the results of the investigation. There were delays.

Frustration grows
Because of the girl's age and some challenges she has in communicating, police set her up to speak with a specialist. The police also ordered a rape kit — DNA samples that are to be tested for evidence — but did not get it to a Michigan State Police lab for testing until last Monday, 19 days after the incident. The State Police tests rape evidence in Detroit cases.

Detroit Interim Deputy Chief Charles Fitzgerald, who runs the Criminal Investigations Bureau, on Friday blamed an office move for that delay, saying the sex crimes unit was moved to the new police headquarters during that time, and the rape kit was not delivered.

"It's not an excuse," Fitzgerald said. "It should have been done, and it wasn't."

He said he has launched an internal investigation.

In the meantime, frustration grew in the neighborhood. The girl's parents are active in the community, and an alert signed with their names went to a local e-mail chain on July 26. The e-mail described the attack on their daughter and divulged that the man was still free in the neighborhood.

"Our family has been told not to rely on the justice system to protect or heal the family," the e-mail read. "We need to protect and support each other in a nonviolent manner."

The e-mail named the suspect and gave his nearby address.

The next day, another person posted another alarm: It, too, named the man and said he'd been asked to leave a youth function the previous evening in nearby Clark Park.

"BE AWARE THAT THIS MAN IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS," the e-mail said.

On July 29, 12 days after the reported rape, a reassuring e-mail was sent out:

"I witnessed (the man) being escorted out of his apartment by the police."

The suspect refused to answer a detective's questions. Police swabbed his cheek to get a DNA sample, and a warrant request was sent to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office. An assistant prosecutor sent it back, asking for more investigation, including looking for possible witnesses and searching the suspect's apartment. On July 31, police released the man, who could no longer be held without criminal charges.

"We can't charge cases until we have the evidence," said the prosecutor's spokeswoman, Maria Miller. "We need a case that we can prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt."

The investigation continued. And restlessness grew.

Neighborhood action
The next day, another neighborhood activist weighed in on the e-mail forum:

"It has been confirmed that the rapist has been set free," she wrote. "I would like to take some ACTIONS."

She suggested creating a warning flyer with photos. "This is day 15 and NO ARREST WARRANT!!!!!!!"

Soon, the man's name spread beyond the e-mail chain. Flyers papered Vernor Highway from Grand Boulevard to Clark Park. It featured two photos of the suspect and, in bold type: "Rapist Warning." Amicci's Pizza got one. Same with the dollar store and the Valero gas station, among others.

On Aug. 2, 16 days after the rape report, police searched the man's apartment. An officer seized the man's bed sheet, blanket and cell phone as possible evidence.

Still, no warrant for the man's arrest. The rape kit had yet to be tested.

That day, state Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Detroit, called the State Police about trying to speed up the test. She had one of the girl's parents on the phone, too. Trouble was, the rape kit wouldn't even arrive to State Police from Detroit for three more days.

On Aug. 3, the same woman pushing for action two days earlier posted again to the neighborhood e-mail chain, suggesting a collection to have the DNA evidence tested at a private lab. "This is UNACCEPTABLE once again," she wrote.

Later that day, the fever for action hit Facebook, and the tone turned ugly.

The first post, on a page called "I grew up in Southwest Detroit," read, in part:

"ATTENTION/WARNING: this piece of s--- u see in this flyer RAPED A (15) YR OLD GIRL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD !!! ... me personally, if i seen him, id call the cops then i would beat the s--- out of him myself till the cops arrive. I HATE WORTHLESS SCUM LIKE THIS. STAND UP FOR YOUR HOOD."

Within minutes, posts rolled in from people saying they recognized the man or had a creepy encounter with him in the past or just saw him recently walking here or there.

Then there was this: "Castration," wrote one woman. And someone else: "The law better find this fool ... before the streets do."

The next day, last Sunday, the call for violence continued. Someone posted a piece of artwork with the words: "This should be the punishment for child molestors and rapists." The cartoon showed five naked men tied to chairs, rats gnawing at their genitals.

'No mercy'
On Monday, there was news:

"GREAT NEWS FOR SOUTHWEST DETROIT... well...thanks to EVERYONE WHO SHARED THE FLYER AND SPREAD THE WORD. a friend of mine caught him." The post went on to describe how the attackers found the suspect, "banged both legs & hands with bats," and neighbors came out to join in.

Witnesses gave similar accounts to the Free Press.

It happened about 1 p.m. Monday. The suspect walked past Giovanna's Lounge on Vernor near 24th Street. A witness saw a man on a bicycle ride up, carrying a baseball bat. He jumped off and yelled: "You like raping little girls?"

Then he hammered the man's legs and continued beating him. The witness called police, but they showed up too late, saying they had been diverted to a fatal shooting outside a nearby Rite Aid store.

Meanwhile, the suspect had left Giovanna's, somehow making his way up 25th Street near Toledo, where he was accosted again. Witnesses said up to five people beat the man in front of a home on the corner. A young boy said he saw someone kick the man in the face. Police came, witnesses said, but the man went home with a relative, who took him to the hospital with head and leg wounds. No one was arrested in his beating.

Later that day, back on Facebook, a heated debate ensued.

Of the attackers, one poster wrote: "And the people who beat him up weren't arrested?"

"Why is that even relevant?" someone responded. "There should be No mercy. No compassion for the evil & wicked."

The debate went back and forth, with others joining in to oppose the lone critic, who eventually started getting threats of his own.

In fact, someone even went to the critic's Facebook page, fished out a photo of him and a young girl, presumably his daughter, and posted it for all to see. In the photo, he has his arm around her in a restaurant. She's wearing pink and eating ice cream. They are smiling.

"What if it was her?" the poster wrote. "Would u feel the same then?"

System failure
The suspect never returned to his apartment after the attack. Neighbors reported that someone broke into his apartment overnight Monday, then spray-painted "rapist" five times by his windows. The building owner brought in armed security for the day. Other residents were nervous.

One resident, a man who asked not to be named, said the suspect lived in the building for about six months and yelled and screamed a lot.

"He's just strange," the man said, adding that the man called himself Super Fly and an Aztec warrior. He said the man often was confrontational.

Wayne County Probate Court records show the man has a mental illness. A judge committed him to a mental health facility in 2012 and appointed a guardian to handle his affairs after reports from caregivers that he was aggressive and possibly a danger to himself and others.

Dr. Bens Sandaire, a psychiatrist at BCA StoneCrest Center in Detroit, wrote in January 2012: "Patient is severely depressed. He feels hopeless and helpless. Has plans to kill himself by hanging."

Tlaib, the state legislator representing the neighborhood where the suspect and the girl live, said she told police officials that something was going to happen if the rape investigation didn't move quicker.

"The system failed not only the victim but this alleged rapist. His life was in jeopardy as soon as he committed that crime. No one addressed his mental illness properly," she said. "We failed both of them completely. It's just so sad."

Vigilantism is not unheard of in Detroit.  In the 1980s and early 90s they had "Devil's Night" on October 30 where people would commit arson throughout the city.  Some of the fires were vigilantes targeting crack houses.  Still to see mobs form is shocking; that hasn't happened since African Americans first started moving to white neighborhoods.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 11, 2013, 03:27:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07rZggtSw30

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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on August 11, 2013, 07:08:10 PM
Does it normally take weeks to start lab work for a suspected rape?
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Post by: Savonarola on August 13, 2013, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 11, 2013, 07:08:10 PM
Does it normally take weeks to start lab work for a suspected rape?

If not longer, Detroit has a backlog of over 10,000 rape kits.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 13, 2013, 01:21:49 PM
QuoteIncorrect Detroit election date on billboards is 'human error'
Tom Greenwood

Detroit— Doh!

The billboards, which were put up on Saturday by International Outdoor, state that the election is Sept. 2 when it's actually Nov. 5.

"It's just human error," said Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey.

"I noticed the mistake and gave the owner of the billboard company a call. They owned up to it and got on correcting it ASAP.

"They sent an email apologizing for the mistake and what their game plan was going to be for correcting the error."

According to Winfrey, the billboards will be corrected by the end of the day Tuesday. Winfrey also said her department didn't receive any calls from the public pointing out the error.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130813/METRO01/308130067#ixzz2bsI0k7lF

Close enough.
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Post by: garbon on August 13, 2013, 01:24:13 PM
Haha. Well at least it was positioned as sooner rather than later - so no major harm from this mistake.
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Post by: Sheilbh on August 16, 2013, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 10, 2013, 02:06:51 AMOr they just want to ensure that the position is unimportant.
Well I think that's it.

I mean historically our system didn't have an executive. Local government was just the council which would operate through various committees (on transport, parks etc.) and the elected leader of the council would just chair the most important committees. Now they have a leader and a cabinet chosen by the council - and some Mayors. But generally the council's there to provide oversight normally of the leadership and, especially, the CEO of the council who runs the local civil service.

Broadly it's been a largely unpaid part-time position, there's normally under 10 full meetings a year, but the committees will meet more often. Technically you don't get a salary but an 'allowance' that you can claim to cover expenses based on how much work you do at the council. Though it can end up being pretty high if you're the council leader, but that's a full-time job (Edit: Full-time job in cities and big councils, not in most rural ones so they get an allowance too normally).

Also councils are far more likely to end up with coalitions and minority cabinets. I think at the moment the majority of councils are in no overall control. And there's oddities - like the area Tamas lives which has been run by the Residents' Association since 1937 :lol:

But, excluding parish councils which are tiny and entirely unpaid and part-time, there's over 20 000 councillors in the UK. So 99 for a city the size of Leeds isn't that odd. My borough in London (with round 300 000 people) has 63 councillors.

Edit: Incidentally this set me reading some parish council minutes from where my parents live. They're wonderful :lol:
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 12:48:57 AM
Detroit: the convergence of every possible right-wing fantasy, in a single massive GOPgasm.

QuoteDetroit, the right's perfect pinata
By: Hadas Gold
August 18, 2013 04:49 PM EDT

In one place, conservative pundits have found a symbol of everything they charge is wrong with the left's policies.

Welcome to Detroit - the latest bull's eye for commentators on the right who have zeroed in on what they see as the three evils of liberalism, neatly condensed within city limits: Unions run amok pillaging the city's coffers; corrupt Democratic politicians with no Republican in power since the 1960s; and a failed big-government welfare state.

The Motor City's epic downfall, the conservatives pundits say, also is a warning sign to the rest of the country of what can happen if liberals continue in power, unchecked.

Republican strategist Mike Murphy suggested on Friday taking advantage of the symbolism of the broken city by staging the Republican National Convention there in 2016. "Hey RNC convention, why not Detroit '16? Just like 80. Tell a story, start the comeback," Murphy tweeted. "Detroit is a big message opp."

For their part, voices on the left have charged the right with alarmist demagoguing, willfully overlooking the larger and deeper causes of the bankrupt city's distress which they argue have little to do with Democratic governance.

But that hasn't slowed the commentariat from attacking with glee from the right:

Rush Limbaugh on Fox News: "The town has been a petri dish of everything Democrat party stands for. You have massive welfare states where citizens are given things left and right in order to buy their votes. You have no opposition whatsoever."

Ann Coulter on Fox News: "(Detroit was) the gem of the United States of America. First, it was destroyed by the mob with the race riots. Then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad."

Charles Krauthammer in his column: "It doesn't take a genius to see what happens when the entitlement state outgrows the economy upon which it rests. The time of Greece, Cyprus, Portugal, Spain, the rest of insolvent social-democratic Europe — and now Detroit — is the time for conservatives to raise the banner of Stein's Law and yell, 'Stop.' You can kick the can down the road, but at some point it disappears over a cliff."

Even Ted Nugent, who earlier in his music career was widely known as the "Motor City Madman," got in on the act, telling TMZ: "Liberal Democrats took hold of the greatest, most productive city on earth and turned it into a bloodsucker excuse-making hell. If allowed to continue, our President will do the same to the whole country. Heartbreaking and tragic."

It's like "a kid in a candy store," Bob Garfield, the host of NPR's "On the Media," which had an episode devoted to the Detroit, said of conservative commentators' feeding frenzy. "I mean if you were looking for a poster child for all that ails the welfare state, look no further."

The right's pounding of the city's unions has been unrelenting.

Often, said Republican strategist Richard Galen, organized labor is careful to engage in some kind of give and take - but not so in Detroit.

"With (Detroit's) public unions, there was never an end to the amount of the money that was available," Galen said, calling the city "a symbol of dreadful policy." "At some point the city just collapsed under the weight of that."

Conservative columnist George Will ripped the unions as parasites. "Government employees' unions living parasitically on Detroit have been less aware than ichneumon larvae," Will wrote.

Detroit owes more than $18 billion, mostly to public employee unions and to owners of municipal bonds. The debt includes $3.5 billion in unfunded pensions and $5.7 billion in underfunded health benefits for about 21,000 retired workers, according to a letter sent to Gov. Rick Snyder by Kevyn Orr, Detroit's emergency manager. Retirees outnumber the city's active workers by more than a 2-1 ratio. The burden of paying the pensions is one of the biggest strains on the Detroit's finances.

A string of corruption scandals is another favorite point of attack for pundits on the right.

Democratic corruption is so bad in Detroit, that it rivals the third world, said the Manhattan Institute's Fred Siegel. "The depth of corruption and dysfunction is so fantastic, it's gone so far past anything you can imagine, it's so far that you might describe it as Third-World dysfunction. There's no need (for conservatives) to gin it up. It's just right there. It's there for the taking."

In March, former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted of scheming to fix contracts and accepting bribes and kickbacks. He faces more than a decade in prison at his sentencing in September. Last year, the IRS put a special agent in charge of a task force to target corruption in the city. "The city of Detroit has been hit hard by public corruption crimes," said Special Agent Erick Martinez said last year at a press conference announcing the task force.

Lastly, conservative commentators are making hay with what they charge is a long history of Democratic mayors who pushed a liberal "tax-and-spend" approach to running the city.

"Mis-governance and the welfare state run amok played big part why [Detroit] can't get itself up off the floor," Commentary Magazine editor Jonathan Tobin told POLITICO.

"Everybody's got their snout in the trough," he added. "That is both the genius and biggest problem with liberal welfare government, because the way it works is it's not just the poor that get subsidies, the middle class get subsidies in certain ways, although heavily taxed. It creates constituencies for the status quo and just continuing with the problems."

Detroit has one of the highest property taxes for homeowners in the country, the top commercial property tax, and the second-highest industrial property tax, but nearly half of the owners of Detroit's 305,000 properties failed to pay their tax bills last year. Those high taxes and over-regulation prevents new business from coming into the city to replace the dying ones, critics add.

The Motor City has also been the benefit of federal programs from Washington, from the Model Cities program launched by President Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960s to President Barack Obama's bailout of the auto companies in 2009. When the bankruptcy was declared, pundits pounced, replaying Obama's comments shortly before Election Day last year when he used his weekly radio address to tout his administration's rescue of General Motors and Chrysler, saying it was the federal government that kept the auto companies afloat.

"But we refused to throw in the towel and do nothing," Obama said in the Oct. 13 address. "We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt."

Some media outlets and Obama's supporters have responded that the president's use of the word "Detroit" was a reference to the auto industry, not the city itself.

Meanwhile, pundits on the left have blamed Detroit's decline on big picture issues, such as the de-industrialization of the Rust Belt and decline of manufacturing.

"Conservatives are using the most insulting language possible that they can come up with to blame unions, blame black people, blame their culture for Detroit's troubles," MSNBC host Ed Schulz said on his show in early August. "But the real parasites, my friends, are their conservative ideals that coming from state government and from the feds. Detroit is exactly what the Republicans want. They outsourced manufacturing jobs, attack unions, cut public services, and this is the result. Now they can wipe the slate clean because now they can start privatizing city assets."

"It's an obvious target for [the right], it's part of a larger campaign they have to demonize urban America," said Eric Boehlert, senior fellow at Media Matters. "They decided to adopt Detroit and make it a microcosm of everything that's wrong with liberalism, urban America, and the Democratic party while completely ignoring the very specific challenges that Detroit faces."
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 19, 2013, 02:48:06 AM
If you feel compelled to imitate Ed Schulz please limit it to his talking points and not his syntax.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 02:56:54 AM
Ed's good people.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on August 19, 2013, 03:19:16 AM
He makes some excellent points too.  If only Republicans hadn't attacked unions Detroit never would have been in this mess.
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Post by: Ed Anger on August 19, 2013, 04:53:04 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 02:56:54 AM
Ed's good people.

Thanks.  :)
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Not you, Putzski.  I'm talking Sausage Union Boss.

Anyway, more about Detroit's victims of Detroit.

QuoteDetroit Has 50,000 Stray Dogs and Only 4 Dog Catchers

Roughly 50,000 stray dogs are roaming the city of Detroit, reports Bloomberg News today. Many of them spend their days hanging out in abandoned houses and mating like crazy. Occasionally, the dogs bite people and sometimes they eat cats (which might explain why you don't see many reports about Detroit's stray cat problem).

The dogs roam "in packs that form around a female in heat," according to Harry Ward, Detroit's animal control director. Roughly 15,000 of them make their way into three Detroit shelters a year—that comes out 13.6 dogs per shelter per day—thanks in part to the city's four dog catchers and one dog-bite investigator. Seventy percent of these dogs are euthanized.

While Ward says his men are overworked, Detroit's stray problem was put into sharp perspective in July when the city failed to pay the commercial service that transports euthanized dogs from the shelter. As a result, writes Bloomberg's Chris Christoff, "The freezers were packed with carcasses, and pens were full of live animals until the bill was paid."

Mail carriers have reported being attacked (by "swarms" of chihuahuas), and the city reported 903 dog bites last year. Yet according to Ward, these dogs aren't really feral, just unsupervised. That's illegal, but animal rights activists in the city don't expect that to change. "With the city being bankrupt," one person told Christoff, "who's going to do anything about it?"

Detroit Dog Rescue put together a little video about strays in the city that you can watch below. Fair warning: At the three minute mark, a pitbull eats a cat.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/08/detroit-has-50000-stray-dogs-and-only-4-dog-catchers/6622/

QuoteFair warning: At the three minute mark, a pitbull eats a cat.

Saw the video;  wasn't a cat, but the carcass of a puppy that had frozen to death.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 29, 2013, 02:46:34 PM
Fourmillante cité, cité pleine de rêves,
Où le spectre en plein jour raccroche le passant!


QuoteDeath (certificates) took holiday in wake of bankruptcy filing

Detroit's funeral directors received this unusual text message last month. "FYI, city of Detroit can't process death certificates because they have no paper and don't have money to buy any."

The message, from a fellow funeral director, was mostly true: The city did stop issuing certified copies of birth and death certificates on July 23, days after the July 18 bankruptcy filing. That day, a nervous paper vendor demanded cash — and the city wanted to do business as usual, on credit.

FYI: In bankrupt and frequently bizarre Detroit, dying is easy. It's proving you are dead that's hard.

Cutbacks in hours, balky vendors, and the news that Herman Kiefer Complex will close Oct. 1 are all affecting the city's death and dying business. The city's vital records department will close and Wayne County will assume responsibility for issuing birth and death certificates, according to Bill Nowling, spokesman for Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr.

"Have you ever heard such a crock?" asked Wallace Williams, president of the Michigan Select Funeral Directors Association, when asked about the paper shortage. "They told us they ran out of paper and it might take five days to get some." Williams, who texted his 20 or so funeral director members, says the potential impact of a death certificate shortage was dire.

Without certified copies of death certificates, families couldn't access bank accounts, file insurance claims, or access probate court. The families are often struggling financially, grieving and frustrated by any bureaucratic delay. And although funeral homes provide copies as a service to families, they wind up taking the heat.

While funeral homes and hospitals could file birth and death certificates on July 23, the city requires a special embossed paper for certified copies. Because the forms are unique to each jurisdiction, the paper couldn't be borrowed — although some funeral directors tried to lend paper to the records department.

"Employees (at the vital records department) were sitting outside because they didn't have anything to do," says the Rev. Gleo Wade, Stinson Funeral Home director, who drove to the vital records department that day to see what was going on. "I've never seen the employees just sitting outside like that before."

Funeral directors and employees had never witnessed a death certificate system collapse, either. Funeral home officials say the department is already understaffed and stretched thin. "People don't understand that families become very upset when they can't get the certificate."

Bill Nowling, spokesman for Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, says the problem was short-lived, once the vendor was assured payment. It was the kind of scenario Orr knew could occur from the beginning of his tenure here. Calming nervous vendors — the ones whose services are needed as part of the city's function — is a new skill set for city officials.

Not long after running out of death certificate paper, the county told funeral directors it would no longer release bodies from the Wayne County morgueon Sundays, explaining that Sunday was a slow day for funeral homes anyway. The medical examiner's office is now closed on holidays, too, but will make exceptions for religions that require immediate burial.

Funeral directors are not pleased."Back in the day, they'd release bodies all day long," said Williams, the funeral director association president.

"Death doesn't take any holidays," he said. "Death happens every day of the week and especially on weekends."

Detroit, where no one ever dies.
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Post by: garbon on August 29, 2013, 03:03:02 PM
huzzah!
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Post by: Savonarola on August 29, 2013, 03:14:02 PM
The pension fund can't be mismanaged :rolleyes:  The trustees took trips to Abu Dhabi and Hawaii to learn how to manage the fund.

QuoteOrr: Mismanagement must be 'overwhelming' for pension takeover

Detroit— Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr said Wednesday he would need "overwhelming" evidence of alleged waste and investment mismanagement within city pension funds before he would consider taking control of a retirement system worth more than $5 billion.

Orr is awaiting final results of a joint investigation by the city's auditor and inspector generals and an analysis of the retirement system's financial health before deciding whether he should oust pension fund members — an option available to him under Michigan's emergency manager law.

The joint audit and an actuarial analysis are due soon and could trigger a dramatic state-orchestrated takeover of the pension funds, which are the city's largest creditors and among its biggest adversaries in the historic bankruptcy case.

Calling it an "extraordinary remedy," Orr said Wednesday he wants to see a final analysis of whether the pension funds can meet long-term obligations to retirees and review documents and accusations that the funds have been mismanaged and heavily rely on risky real estate investments.

"By the time I make a decision, I would like to think it's going to be pretty much unassailable," Orr told The Detroit News during a wide-ranging interview Wednesday. "There's going to be calls of breaking into autonomy and this is all a subterfuge. And I just didn't want to spend a whole lot of time having that kind of a debate. I want the data and the evidence of support, quite frankly, to be overwhelming."

Both pension funds are challenging the city's eligibility to receive Chapter 9 bankruptcy relief and contend Orr inflates their level of underfunding by $2 billion as a way to extract deep cuts from 23,500 pensioners.

The 2012 emergency manager law empowers state Treasurer Andy Dillon to authorize Orr to remove trustees of the pension boards if Orr can prove the pension funds are less than 80 percent funded.

Orr would not reveal details of the joint audit, which he said it could be ready for release later this week. He said the audits do not contain shocking new details or conclusions.

"At this point, nothing shocks me," Orr said. "I am willing to expect anything — a cow can jump over the moon."

'Learned from history'
In recent years, Detroit's two pension funds have been embroiled in a federal criminal probe, while having to fend off complaints about lousy real estate investments and lavish travel for trustees.

Some of the most salacious accusations involving the pension fund are listed in a federal indictment against six former city and pension fund officials, including former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's fraternity brother, ex-Treasurer Jeffrey Beasley.

The indictment alleges a bribery and kickback scandal involving pension officials and businessmen. The scandal led to the pension funds losing more than $84 million on allegedly corrupt investments during Kilpatrick's tenure, according to the indictment.

One former Detroit Police & Fire pension trustee, Paul Stewart, allegedly received a $5,000 casino chip bribe, a Christmas basket stuffed with cash, $2,500 during a trip to New York City and $2,500 during a trip to Florida and trips to the Bahamas and Naples, Fla., with his mistress, all from people doing business with the pension fund, according to the indictment.

But two pension fund trustees said Wednesday said they've changed the way the funds operate to be more transparent and ethical.

"The feds have vetted that system and nailed those guys back in the Kilpatrick administration, and it's still well funded," said George Orzech, chairman of the Detroit Police & Fire Retirement System.

Mark Diaz, vice chairman of the police and fire fund, said it's wrong for Orr to imply past corruption has continued with "an entirely different board with a wholly new ethics policy."

"That's seven, six years old," Diaz said of past graft. "We learned from history. That's why we have a different board."

If Orr elected to take control of the pensions, he would be in the unusual position of "negotiating with himself" in bankruptcy, said Brian O'Keefe, attorney for two city retiree associations.

"That would put him in a huge trick box," O'Keefe said. "He is probably going to have to do some factual investigation and quite a bit more analysis before he determines he has the authority or moral high ground to take over those systems."

Underfunding disputed
On Wednesday, Orr refused to back off estimates that the pension funds are underfunded by $3.5 billion — a claim disputed by the retirement system.

"An argument could be made that it could be higher," Orr said. "Make it $2 billion or $1 billion. So what? We still don't have it. The $3.5 billion is a valid figure of what we think both funds are going to need to meet obligations in the future."

The Police & Fire Retirement System's actuary said as of last year the fund was 96 percent funded with a $147 million shortfall.

Orr has threatened to stick the police and firefighters with their numbers, potentially diminishing the amount of money the pension system could claim in the city's proposed debt settlement in bankruptcy.

The Detroit General Retirement System has acknowledged being 77 percent funded, with an $829 million unfunded liability. Orr's consultants at the Seattle firm Milliman estimate the fund is actually $2 billion short of what's needed to pay retirees and 65 percent funded.

"Our own internal audits and reviews continue to confirm that the Detroit General Retirement System is on sound footings," said Tina Bassett, spokeswoman for the pension fund.

Bassett added the General Retirement System's board has "taken proactive actions to ensure that there is no waste or abuse of retirement system funds."

 
Detroit News Staff Writer
Christine Ferretti contributed.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130829/METRO01/308290042#ixzz2dOHdeeTc

I should have rushed Kwame Kilpatrick's Fraternity.   :(
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Post by: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2013, 09:30:33 AM
Somehow I don't think this is an option for us Languish educators.   :hmm:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28/detroit-teachers-moonlight-as-sugar-babies-to-offset-wage-cuts/

Quote
Detroit Teachers Moonlight As 'Sugar Babies' To Offset Wage Cuts
August 28, 2013 11:20 AM

DETROIT (WWJ) - It's back-to-school season and many Detroit teachers are struggling in the wake of budget cuts and overcrowded classrooms.

According to the National School Supply and Equipment Association, the average teacher spent at least $485 on school supplies for their classroom last year.

So, what are some Detroit women doing to offset their struggles in the classroom? Well, they're becoming "sugar babies" of course —  seeking financial assistance from wealthy men online.

In the Detroit School District alone, more than 200 teachers are moonlighting as sugar babies to offset wage cuts and job losses, according to dating website SeekingArrangement.com. How do they know? The website tallied up all the females registered in Detroit who list "teacher" as their occupation.

Brandon Wade, the website's founder and CEO, said the average public school teacher registered on the site is between the ages of 28- and 33-years-old, and asks for approximately $3,000 a month in financial assistance from her sugar daddy.

"You can't expect a teacher to accept less pay for more work than their peers, and then reach into their pockets to fund your child's classroom," Wade said in a statement. "But that's what's happening. If those are the expectations and pressures we are putting on our teachers in America, than they can't possibly be judged for whatever extracurricular activities they choose to pursue to stay afloat."

While the number of Detroit school teachers registered on the website might be shocking to some, it's actually less than the national average. Wade said the Philadelphia City School District has the highest number of teachers registered on the website at 674, followed by Miami-Dade School District with 507.

"A successful man wants an educated woman by his side, and for this reason, a young, attractive teacher can be a valuable commodity," Wade said.

Teachers aren't the only locals trying to find a sugar daddy online. Wade said a majority of the females registered on his website are college students. Earlier this year, Michigan State University made the website's list of colleges with the most sugar babies.

In case you were wondering, the website describes a modern sugar daddy as a successful and generous man who is willing to pamper and offer financial help or gifts to a young person in return for friendship and companionship. A "goal seeking sugar baby" is described on the website as a girl who "know(s) you deserve to date someone who will pamper you, empower you, and help you mentally, emotionally and financially."
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Post by: Savonarola on September 05, 2013, 08:28:08 PM
QuoteBoston mayor on Detroit: 'Blow the place up' and 'start all over'

Mayor Dave Bing is criticizing his counterpart in Boston for using "an unfortunate choice of words" when describing what he would do while visiting Detroit.

Bing said in a statement Tuesday that Mayor Thomas Menino should have been more sensitive following the Boston Marathon bombing before telling The New York Times Magazine that he would "blow up" Detroit and "start all over."

Menino also told the magazine that "inaction" and "leadership" are behind some of Detroit's problems, like boarded up buildings, non-working streetlights and lengthy police response times to 911 calls.

Bing says Menino failed to "get his facts right."

Two years ago, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told NBC-TV's "Meet the Press" that Detroit should welcome immigrants to boost the city's shrinking population.

You're hurting their feelings, Tom.   :(
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Post by: jimmy olsen on September 06, 2013, 02:16:12 AM
Mumbles is the gift that keeps on giving.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: KRonn on September 06, 2013, 07:47:32 AM
Mayor Menino is backing off that statement, apologizing. And he better be careful as probably many cities could be heading for a similar fate over time unless they get their house in order. He won't have to worry though as h's leaving office after many years, has been ill and won't be running for re-election.
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on September 06, 2013, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: KRonn on September 06, 2013, 07:47:32 AM
Mayor Menino is backing off that statement, apologizing. And he better be careful as probably many cities could be heading for a similar fate over time unless they get their house in order. He won't have to worry though as h's leaving office after many years, has been ill and won't be running for re-election.
Well yeah. Now's the time he can make some comments he's been saving up for years.  Boost publicity for hsi book.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 19, 2013, 03:23:24 PM
Detroit has a large farmer's market called Eastern Market.  This is one of the few places in the city where one can buy fresh fruits and vegetables.  During the summer and early fall the state of Michigan offers double value for food stamps at the Eastern Market to assist farmers (agriculture is Michigan's second largest industry) and to encourage residents on food stamps to eat their vegetables. 

This seemed like an intelligent public policy to me, but Detroit being Detroit:

Quote9 charged with food stamp fraud after feds sweep Eastern Market businesses

Detroit — Nine people have been charged in connection with widespread food stamp fraud at Eastern Market and other parts of the city.

The charges, which include six who were arrested, come following a two-day federal sweep this week of businesses where retailers are accused of illegally exchanging cash for food stamp benefits.

According to U.S. Attorney's Office in Detroit, individuals known as "runners" would obtain food stamp recipients' Bridge Cards and use them at several stores at the Eastern Market terminal to conduct fraudulent discounting transactions, totaling millions of dollars in the past year.

"Taxpayers in Michigan fund the Food Stamp Program to provide food for the needy, not to create a commodity to be traded for profit," U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said in a statement. "We will work to ensure that food assistance programs are not abused."

The following individuals and Detroit establishments were subjects of the warrants:

■ Frank Paul Buonbrisco of Saint Clair Shores, Eric Lamont Owensby of Romulus and Damon Keith Owensby of Detroit, all managers of Cheech's Chicken Company at 1429 Gratiot Ave., were arrested on criminal complaints charging them with SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) fraud.

■Rassoul Ali Jamil of Dearborn, owner of Gratiot Produce & Grocery at 1429 Gratiot Ave., has been named in a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP fraud.

■Greg King of Detroit, owner of Greg's Pallet Co. at 1483 Winder St., was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP fraud and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

■ Anton Vuljaj of Waterford Township, owner of Campus Diner at 5470 Cass Ave., was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP Fraud.

■ Ghassan Ghazi Shamoon of Livonia and former manager of Mike's K&G Deli at 15500 East Warren Ave. was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP fraud.

■Waleed Hindo of Inkster, manager of Dayton Market at 8002 Dayton St., was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP fraud.

■Christopher Stanley Jackson of Detroit, an employee of the Eastern Market Terminal, has been named in a criminal complaint charging him with SNAP fraud.

Also subject to the warrants: Ronnie's Quality Meats, 1429 Gratiot Ave.; Embassy Foods, 2478 Riopelle St.; Ftoni Meat & Produce, 2800 Riopelle St.; Detroit Wholesale Produce, 2614 Riopelle St.

On Tuesday, the Eastern Market area was swarming with local state and federal authorities in marked and unmarked vehicles.

"Law enforcement officials are serving warrants and investigating EBT (food stamp) fraud at individual businesses in the district," said La'Leatha Spillers, spokeswoman for Eastern Market Corp., in a statement on Tuesday. "The investigation does not involve the Eastern Market public market."

Spillers said Eastern Market's "public market EBT and double-up Food Bucks programs are not the subject of the investigation. Tokens for those programs will continue to be distributed and redeemed."

Involved in the extensive sweep was the U.S. Department of Agriculture Office of Inspector General, Internal Revenue Service, Michigan State Police and the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations.

The U.S.D.A.'s SNAP program provides food assistance to nearly 47 million people nationwide. In fiscal year 2012, investigators reviewed more than 15,000 stores, conducted almost 4,500 undercover investigations for the fraudulent act of exchanging benefits for cash, known as trafficking.

Investigations led by the U.S.D.A.'s Office of Inspector General resulted in 342 convictions last year.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130919/METRO08/309190087#ixzz2fN1d8KSF

Many of the shops in Eastern Market (as well as the rest of Detroit) are owned by first generation Americans; hence the ethnic names on the warrants.

CB and I used to go to Eastern Market every Saturday when we lived in Detroit.  I was relieved that no one that I knew on the list.  (I've probably met the owner of the Campus Diner.  That's actually at Wayne State several miles from Eastern Market.)
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Post by: Savonarola on September 27, 2013, 12:40:56 PM
Detroit political "Consultant" Sam Riddle has said that the only difference between Detroit and a third world nation is that there aren't goats wandering the streets of Detroit.  That may soon change:

QuoteDetroit council committee not sheepish on livestock grass proposal

Detroit— A Detroit City Council committee Thursday was not sheepish about a proposal to let livestock chomp grass on vacant land in city neighborhoods.

Councilman James Tate introduced the idea of allowing firms to use sheep and goats to trim grass on vacant lots at the request of residents in the Brightmoor neighborhood. One company, City Girls Soap, is pitching a plan to start an urban goat farm in the area for a creamery, cheese cave and a soap-making facility.

The first-term councilman made it clear he does not see the proposal as a way of replacing the city's fleet of grass-cutters. Under the proposal, neighborhoods would need petitions signed by 51 percent of residents in the area, and the city has to determine if the location is feasible.

"In my mind, this is not replacing humans who are working (and) doing the job with sheep, but providing opportunities for potential individuals who want to utilize this as a service," Tate said. "Utilizing sheep and goats is not right for every neighborhood."

Laura DeYoung, executive director of the Cleveland-based nonprofit Urban Shepherds who testified before the council subcommittee, hopes Detroit will proceed with a pilot project. Urban Shepherds is working with St. Clair Superior Development Corp. in Cleveland to create a model for the animal concept.

"Everyone was open to the idea and hopefully it will generate some discussion," DeYoung said. " ... It makes sense as an economic development tool, cost-savings tool (and) reduction of environmental impacts and reduction of maintenance areas of eyesores."

Joe Rashid, outreach coordinator for Brightmoor Alliance, said he sees urban agriculture as a way of dealing with the city's land issues.

"Livestock has provided a great answer for maintenance (and) economic values," Rashid said. "Agriculture is a huge draw in Brightmoor, and we'd love to see that there and throughout the city."

Council member Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said he is open to the idea. "We have all these vacant parcels that are out there," Cockrel said. "Maybe this will be a way to deal with some of that and maybe do something productive with those parcels. I do think it's worth exploring."

But Councilwoman JoAnn Watson was concerned it won't fit into the city's master plan. The city should not be piece-mealing projects together, she said.

"The master plan ought to be the blueprint for what the city moves forward with," Watson said.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130927/METRO01/309270038#ixzz2g7F8pXIF

So did the master plan include bankruptcy and having half the city population functionally illiterate? :unsure:
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Post by: KRonn on September 27, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
They want to use domestic livestock to trim the city lawns, parks, etc. So how is that cheaper or at least less of a hassle? The animals need to be cared for, someone has to ride herd on them up all the time, their "leavings" have to be picked up. Animals tend to run into the streets causing accidents. They'd be better off introducing a small buffalo herd that doesn't need any tending to, though they'd still be a menace to the roadways.   ;)
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Post by: Barrister on September 27, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
I northern Alberta along the Mackenzie file they have (or had, I was last there 10 years ago) a shepherd and a flock of sheep who grazed along the side of the road in order to keep the vegetation down.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 27, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: KRonn on September 27, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
They want to use domestic livestock to trim the city lawns, parks, etc. So how is that cheaper or at least less of a hassle? The animals need to be cared for, someone has to ride herd on them up all the time, their "leavings" have to be picked up. Animals tend to run into the streets causing accidents. They'd be better off introducing a small buffalo herd that doesn't need any tending to, though they'd still be a menace to the roadways.   ;)

We'll eliminate the Bridge Card and force city residents to hunt goats to survive.  It's a win-win.   

I think the idea was that private urban farmers would bring their goats or sheep to abandoned lots to graze and then take them back to their pens; not that herds of sheep would roam wild in the city (although, this being Detroit, that's not an impossible outcome for the plan.)
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Post by: Savonarola on September 30, 2013, 08:00:39 PM
To the surprise of no one:

QuoteCorruption alleged after Detroit pension deal

$200M loaned from 2006-09 tied to bribes, kickbacks, officials say

Detroit — A Wall Street deal backed by former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick that helped push the city into bankruptcy bankrolled a three-year spree of alleged corruption, according to federal court records and pension officials.

The spending cheated Detroit retirees out of more than $84 million, led to criminal charges against six people and compounded the impact of a money-losing Wall Street deal, which could eventually cost the city more than $2.7 billion.

Federal prosecutors allege city pension officials started approving a series of shady transactions with businessmen in January 2006, six months after the Wall Street debt deal started injecting $1.44 billion into the Detroit pension funds.

Flush with cash, pension fund trustees loaned more than $200 million to businessmen accused of paying bribes and kickbacks between January 2006 and April 2009, according to federal prosecutors. The businessmen included a Georgia man charged with embezzling more than $3 million with the help of a former Detroit Lions wide receiver and spending some of the cash on an $8.5 million mansion in Atlanta.

Some of the money was squandered on riskier alternative investments, including real estate and private equity deals that were approved when Kilpatrick and his appointees — including a childhood friend and fraternity brother — held considerable influence over the pension funds.

"Once the deal went through, the dark side found out and that's how all these (expletive) deals went through," Detroit Police & Fire pension chairman George Orzech said.

The money-losing Wall Street deal has exposed the city's pension funds to a possible takeover by Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr. He says the retirement system is significantly underfunded and wants to cut retiree pensions to help reduce the city's overall $18 billion debt.

The timing of the Wall Street deal and almost immediate decision by pension officials to spend the money on allegedly corrupt investments did not surprise Orr spokesman Bill Nowling.

"This is a shocking coincidence," Nowling said sarcastically. "I think every Detroit pensioner should be demanding from their union leadership and pension leadership, 'Where is that money?' "

It's gone, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office, which contends the funds were wasted on deals pitched by businessmen accused of plying Kilpatrick and pension officials with private jet flights and trips to Bermuda, Las Vegas and the Turks and Caicos Islands, gift baskets stuffed with cash, casino chips and thousands in cash.

The businessmen, in turn, allegedly received millions in loans from the pension funds for ventures that included real estate, private equity and a used-car dealership.

Complicated transaction

The alleged corruption flowed from a controversial deal in 2005 pushed by Kilpatrick. At the time, he wanted to borrow $1.44 billion to prop up the city's pension funds.

City leaders financed the pension debt by swapping its variable interest rate for a fixed rate, effectively betting the variable interest rates would exceed the fixed rate of about 6 percent.

Just the opposite happened. Variable interest rates plummeted in 2008-09 and have remained low since, costing taxpayers tens of millions in additional borrowing costs, city financial records show.

Orr is trying to end the complicated transaction in a high-stakes fight in bankruptcy court. His financial consultants argue total payments related to the Wall Street deal, including interest, could cost Detroit taxpayers more than $2.7 billion by 2034.

Orzech said pension fund members were against the Wall Street deal in 2005 because of high fees and the complex nature of the transaction.

Robert Brooks, a professor of finance at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, said the IOUs written for the pension funds likely "sped up" Detroit's financial collapse.

"It's incredibly arrogant to think I'm going to go borrow money, invest it in the stock market and then live off the earnings," Brooks said.

The first infusion of cash flowed into the pension funds in June 2005. About $680 million went to the city's Police & Fire pension fund, Orzech said. Approximately $740 million went to the General pension fund.

"The vast majority went into the stock and bond market," Orzech said.

He said a small percentage, about $27 million, went into alternative investments, a growing trend among public pension plans that includes money for real estate, hedge funds and private equity. Alternative investments carry greater risk and potential reward.

Roy Dixon, a Georgia investment adviser with ties to Detroit, wanted some of that money, prosecutors allege. He is charged in a federal indictment with paying a series of bribes to get the cash, including money for Kilpatrick and cash for the ex-mayor's fraternity brother, former city Treasurer Jeffrey Beasley.

In 2006, months after the Detroit City Council approved Kilpatrick's Wall Street deal, Dixon formed the private-equity firm Onyx Capital Advisers, which was based in Detroit.

Onyx wanted to act as a private equity firm and invest pension fund money in a real estate deal in the Turks and Caicos Islands and a Georgia company that sold automobiles to people with bad credit.

That company, Georgia-based Second Chance Motors, was owned by Mike Farr, the former Lions wideout (1990-92). His father is ex-Lion Mel Farr Sr., the "superstar" Detroit-area auto dealer who pitched cars in commercials while wearing a red cape and pretending to fly.

By June 2007, the Detroit pension funds and one in Pontiac agreed to invest $25 million in Onyx. That was exactly one year after Detroit received the final infusion from Kilpatrick's Wall Street deal.

To secure the investment, prosecutors allege Dixon paid bribes and kickbacks to Kilpatrick, Beasley, three other pension trustees and others. Dixon and an unnamed business partner also allegedly contributed $45,000 to Kilpatrick's nonprofit, the Kilpatrick Civic Fund.

Trial coming in March

Dixon, 50, was indicted in December and accused of embezzling more than $3 million. He will stand trial in March and faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted of charges including bribery and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

Dixon's defense lawyer Edward Wishnow did not respond to messages seeking comment.

In court documents, Dixon said Beasley and other pension officials extorted money and gifts from him.

The indictment and a probe by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission allege Dixon fueled a lavish lifestyle with money loaned on behalf of Detroit retirees.

In 2008, Dixon was building the stone mansion in Atlanta. The FBI and SEC analyzed bank and financial records and alleged that Dixon had Farr pay three construction companies $521,000 in pension fund cash, according to prosecutors.

"Why were you doing that?" SEC lawyer Robert Moye asked Farr during a December 2011 deposition.

"Mr. Dixon asked me to do that," Farr said. "It had something to do with his construction loan on — I don't know if he didn't have enough — there wasn't enough money in the loan that he had to finish the home."

The sprawling Craftsman-style home is beyond an imposing gate on 2 1/2 acres in the wealthy Buckhead neighborhood north of Atlanta.

The mansion has seven bedrooms, 10 baths and features a three-car garage, a dining room that seats 12 people, pool, exercise room, library and four fireplaces.

Detroit Police & Fire pension trustee Mark Diaz said it is unfair that a businessman who allegedly embezzled money from retirees has a mansion at a time when Detroit pensioners fear they could end up losing their own homes if their pensions are slashed.

"Repulsive, if you want to put a word to it," Diaz said.

The home is headed for foreclosure soon.

A sale is scheduled for November, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The pension fund bribery trial is supposed to start four months later, in March.

Deal 'enormously risky'

The criminal case against Dixon, Beasley and two others alleges a cozy relationship between the Atlanta businessman and pension officials.

In December 2008, Dixon allegedly paid for a Police & Fire pension trustee, Paul Stewart, and his "paramour" to vacation in Naples, Fla., according to prosecutors. While there, Stewart allegedly attended a New Year's Eve party at Dixon's $2.7 million vacation home, which is for sale.

Diaz, the Police & Fire trustee, replaced Stewart in 2011. He suggests money from the $1.44 billion Wall Street deal arrived quickly and was spent quickly, sometimes against the advice of professional investment advisers.

"Unfortunately, it looks like their haste made waste," Diaz said.

When Dixon was indicted last year, prosecutors said the Detroit pension funds had lost the entire $20 million investment in Onyx. Pontiac's pension fund lost $3.8 million.

The Dixon deal is one of several that lost money for the pension funds. In all, the pension funds lost at least $84.18 million on investments tied to the alleged fraud scheme involving Beasley and other pension officials, says the U.S. Attorney's Office.

In July, the city filed the biggest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, which was prompted, in part, by the burden of paying retiree pensions and Kilpatrick's Wall Street deal.

"It was not necessarily a bad deal, but it was enormously risky," Nowling said. "The only entities doing these types of deals were ones that could pay the piper if they lost."

Since being appointed in March, Orr has criticized the pension funds for putting retiree money in alternative investments and being involved in alleged corruption.

"It's frustrating," Nowling added. "We always get made out to be the bad guys. I didn't make these investments. Kevyn didn't make these investments, (Mayor Dave) Bing didn't make them. Nobody here did."

'We trusted people'

The pension funds have created an ethics policy in the wake of the indictments and either replaced or fired officials accused of wrongdoing, Diaz said. That includes the pension funds' lawyer, Ronald Zajac, who is awaiting trial alongside Beasley, Stewart and Dixon.

"We trusted people managing our system back then to do the best job on our behalf," Diaz said. "In spite of the economy taking a turn for the worse, in spite of the alleged corruption and bad deals, we are still at the top of the heap when it comes down to funding levels for pension systems.

"Where would we be had those things not happened?" Diaz wondered. "That's what really kills me."

Five of the eight Detroit Police & Fire pension fund trustees who voted to lend $10 million to Georgia businessman Roy Dixon have either been indicted, sent to prison or accused of taking cash or trips during a corruption scandal involving the pension funds. They include:

Marty Bandemer: A former Detroit Police union president allegedly received $5,000 in cash from pension fund businessmen during a 2007 birthday party at the Atheneum Suite Hotel, according to court records. Bandemer also allegedly received $15,000 in casino chips from a pension businessman and a free trip from another to the Bahamas in 2008. Bandemer has not been charged with a crime.

Jeffrey Beasley: A former city treasurer and fraternity brother of ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was charged with taking bribes and kickbacks in a federal indictment in February 2012.

DeDan Milton: This longtime friend and executive assistant to Kilpatrick admitted taking about $16,000 in kickbacks in connection with two city land sales. He was sentenced to three years and six months in prison and released last month.

Alberta Tinsley-Talabi: She took a Caribbean trip, campaign cash and a donation from Dixon while supporting his $10 million city pension fund deal, according to prosecutors. She was later elected to the state House of Representatives and has not been charged in the ongoing corruption case.

Paul Stewart: A former vice president of the Detroit Police Officers Association. He allegedly received a $5,000 casino chip bribe; a Christmas basket stuffed with cash; $2,500 during a trip to New York City and $2,500 during a trip to Florida; and trips to the Bahamas and Naples, Fla., with his mistress — all from people doing business with the pension fund, according to the indictment.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130930/METRO01/309300024#ixzz2gQXF9xvs

With all the ink spilled over alternative investments it's surprising that they formed such a small portion of the investment portfolio.  It's less of a surprise that so much was lost through bribery and incompetence; that's the Detroit way.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 02, 2013, 10:45:14 AM
QuoteBelle Isle to be run as state park, will get $10M redo
Council must pitch cash-saving Plan B if it rejects deal
Detroit— After more than a year of political wrangling, Gov. Rick Snyder's administration moved forward Tuesday with plans to convert Belle Isle into a state park and pump millions of dollars into repairing the island's ailing facilities.

In a move that surprised Detroit City Council members, Snyder and his transportation and natural resources directors inked a deal with Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr to lease Belle Isle for 30 years with the possibility of two 15-year extensions.

Under the deal, Detroit will not receive any direct monetary payment for the lease, but state operation of Belle Isle is expected to save the cash-strapped city $4 million to $6 million annually, officials said. The state also plans to apply for grants to invest $10 million to $20 million in the park's aging infrastructure.

The deal also gives the council, which was largely sidelined when Orr took over City Hall in March, the chance to approve the lease or offer an alternative plan that would save the same amount of money.

Starting Jan. 1, Detroiters and other state residents would be required to have Michigan's $11-a-year Recreation Passport on their vehicles to enter the park. Pedestrians, bicyclists and individuals using public transportation could get onto the island for free.

The president of the Belle Isle Conservancy said the lease agreement is "a very important step" toward keeping the park in the public's hands at a time when city assets are being targeted for liquidation in Detroit's historic bankruptcy.

"The other aspect that may be forgotten is this better ensures that Belle Isle remains in the public sector," conservancy president Michele Hodges said. "That's what we all want."

Orr and Snyder have suggested the city seek such partnerships to help it manage and improve its assets as part of Detroit's ongoing restructuring.

Under the state's emergency manager law, the City Council has 10 days to approve the lease. If the lease is rejected, the law gives the council seven days to suggest an alternative that would save the same amount of money or more.

If the council comes up with an alternative plan, the state's Emergency Loan Board, which is composed of three Snyder aides, has 30 days to decide which proposal "best serves the interest of the public in that local government," according to Public Act 436.

If the council takes no action within 10 days, Orr has the power under the law to carry out the contract.

"This state-city partnership will provide a clean, safe park environment and enhance Belle Isle for citizens while still allowing the city to retain ownership of one of its jewels," Snyder said in a statement.

Mayor Dave Bing, who has fought the City Council over the plan to convert Belle Isle into a state park, said Tuesday that Detroit cannot afford the upkeep of the island and the lease is the city's best option to restore the historic park to its early 20th-century "grandeur."

"Detroit's current financial condition prohibits the city from investing in the much-needed restoration of Belle Isle," Bing said in a statement.

But the surprise announcement Tuesday set off an emotional backlash from some council members and political activists who sank an earlier, similar proposal to have the state operate Belle Isle.

"It's an absolute treasure, and Belle Isle is ours," Councilwoman JoAnn Watson said Tuesday. "It flies in the face of all the public pronouncements of the state trying to help the city. It sounds like a rape to me. It should never be touched. It's a disgrace before God to have this outrageous seizing of an asset."

The Department of Natural Resources plans to apply for grants to spend $10 million to $20 million in improvements for the island park's aging infrastructure and facilities, said Snyder spokeswoman Sara Wurfel.

In June, the Legislature appropriated $2.5 million to the DNR for the 2014 fiscal year to manage the park. Under the lease deal, park revenue from special events, permits and rental fees will be used to maintain and improve park facilities.

The Belle Isle Conservancy, which was officially created in January 2012 and has invested $2 million in upgrades on the island, views itself as an advocate for the park and park users, Hodges said.

"If we saw this as a threat, we would call it that," she said. "This is not a threat, this is an opportunity."

Under the deal, the city still would own Belle Isle, while the Department of Natural Resources will manage the park. The Michigan Department of Transportation would assume responsibility for the Detroit River island's roads and bridges, according to the lease.

The DNR's law enforcement division and the Michigan State Police would handle security on the island, freeing up 22 Detroit police officers, according to the governor and mayor's offices.

If the lease is approved, a 90-day transition period would follow before the DNR starts managing the park and making immediate improvements, according to the agreement.

The lease also calls for the creation of a seven-member advisory committee to advise on implementation of improvements, master planning and public safety for the park. Three members will be appointed by Snyder, one by the City Council, two by Bing and a chairman, jointly appointed by the governor and mayor. At least three of the members shall be city residents, it says.

City Council members first announced the lease Tuesday morning during the council's session, with some saying the contract should have been first brought to council members for consideration.

Councilwoman Brenda Jones and Watson questioned Orr's and Snyder's motives to sign the lease after months of putting off questions about their plans for Belle Isle.

"To continue to do as they please to do in this city is a true disrespect," Jones said. "There's no transparency. ... It's a crime to this city and the citizens of this city."

Council President Saunteel Jenkins promised to hold a public hearing on the lease.

A prior proposal to lease the island sparked an outcry from residents and divided the council before the panel ultimately voted 6-3 against placing the controversial proposal on a January agenda. The decision prompted Snyder to withdraw the offer.

That deal called for the DNR to operate the park and would have freed up $6.2 million in annual operating costs for the city. It called for a lease of 30 years at a time, with an option for the city or state to opt out in 10-year increments.

Political analyst Eric Foster said a lease is a good solution to improve Belle Isle, but it does not solve the city's problem with maintaining its parks system.

"Ultimately it's a good thing for the park," Foster said. "But the core question ... is: What about the other parks across the city that are still the city's responsibility that have closed or have tried public-private partnerships that haven't worked?"

The Rev. Charles Williams II, a Detroit civic activist who has challenged the legality of Orr's appointment, said Tuesday he is still opposed to any lease of Belle Isle, particularly if it was hammered out behind closed doors.

"It's obvious to us any takeover of Belle Isle faces deep opposition from the community," Williams said. "In this situation, it's because there is not transparency about the process."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131001/METRO01/310010072#ixzz2ga01mZut

I had though rape was something different, Joann.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on October 02, 2013, 11:00:04 AM
Yeah, but this isn't rape rape, as Whoopi would say.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 02, 2013, 04:00:35 PM
That'll learn him  :mad: :

QuoteDetroit man killed shortly after telling vehicle to slow down
Candice Williams
The Detroit News

Detroit — Police have arrested a man in his 30s for the death of a 23-year-old man fatally shot after he told a speeding vehicle to slow down.

Around 8 p.m. Monday in the 13000 block of Braile, the victim yelled at the driver of a white truck to slow down as the driver drove past at a high rate of speed.

A short time later, police said an unknown red vehicle drove up and the driver began firing shots. Police said the two vehicles are possibly connected.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131002/METRO01/310020075#ixzz2gbHVQHDo
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 04, 2013, 03:15:05 PM
QuoteSix decades in Detroit: How abandonment, racial tensions and financial missteps bankrupted the city
Joel Kurth, Mike Wilkinson and Louis Aguilar
The Detroit News

It was called a city of magic, and many believed the best was yet to come.

For a week in July 1951, Detroit put down its tools to reflect on its magnificence. The city that in four decades transformed from an unremarkable Midwestern community into a prosperous urban powerhouse was celebrating its 250th birthday.

A million people lined Woodward for a parade. A musical written for the occasion, "City of Freedom," ran for 11 days. The city marked the anniversary by creating the Detroit Historical Museum and launching a fundraising drive for Cobo Hall.

"The magic of Detroit is the way it sprang apparently full grown, fully prepared, into a world-wide metropolitan eminence, virtually overnight, after two centuries of somnolent obscurity," John C. Manning, editor of The Detroit Times, wrote in the anniversary's program.

Detroit was something new and hopeful. Its 185 war plants cranked out arms that propelled the Allies to victory in World War II. Its population soared because of a promise: Sacrifice your body to the assembly line, make enough to realize the American dream.

But as Mayor Albert Cobo lit a cake with 250 candles and sent balloons into the summer sky, Detroit was already in decline. President Harry Truman capped the celebration with a speech outside City Hall assuring residents that layoffs rippling through the city were a "temporary situation."

They weren't. The nation was on the brink of a recession. The auto industry was consolidating. Racial tensions were festering. The slow descent that ended 62 years later in the nation's largest municipal bankruptcy had begun.

Many of the forces that propelled Detroit to such heights — autos, the might of unions, migration from the South and inexpensive housing — also contributed to its fall.

"Detroit is a boom town on a massive scale — great economic strength, home to the most innovative industry in the history of the world and the most concentrated wealth of its time," said Kevin Boyle, a Northwestern University professor who grew up on the east side.

"It was always a city built on money. People came to Detroit for jobs, not the natural beauty or the great weather. There was never a commitment to place. It was to money. And then the boom ended."

Many now wonder how a city that embodied so much of what was so right with America could go so wrong. Gov. Rick Snyder has said the answer lies in the past, arguing Detroit's finances are "a problem 60 years in the making."

In six decades, Detroit lost more than 1 million residents and its total property value shrank from $37 billion to $9.4 billion in 2012 dollars. Over that time, the city's median wages went from among the best in the nation to among the worst. More than two-thirds of city residents now live in poverty and as many as 50 percent are unemployed.

The Detroit News is spotlighting the decade-by-decade changes through Lakewood Street. The block in the Jefferson-Chalmers neighborhood near the border of Grosse Pointe Park was shaped by many of the issues that hit Detroit: race, job loss, crime and civic corruption.

In the 1950s, Lakewood was a beacon to blue-collar families who worked in factories or for the city. Today, it is home to drug houses, empty lots and a handful of residents who place their faith not in the city but in a retired cop nicknamed Jack Rabbit who patrols the block.



The 1950s: Rise of the suburbs
When they came to Detroit, Hassel Ledbetter's family didn't have a car. But they could afford a two-story home on Lakewood.

His father, Hassel Ledbetter Sr., was the son of a Tennessee farmer and moved north after high school to Detroit and its promise of high wages for assembly-line work at Chrysler's plant on Conner Road.

Lakewood buzzed with activity. Its wood and brick homes were modest, but meticulously maintained. Jefferson Avenue was a short walk away and teemed with stores selling shoes, clothes, food and candy.

Mothers stayed home, while fathers went off to jobs at Cummins Diesel, U.S. Rubber, American Motors and nearby Chrysler and Hudson plants.

"It was a normal, almost prototypical neighborhood," said Ledbetter, who is now 76.

The city was so crowded that Ledbetter's newspaper route had 100 customers on three blocks. Detroit prided itself on world-class services, from the beaches of nearby Belle Isle and a network of streetcars to libraries with well-stocked shelves whose books on the American West Ledbetter devoured.

"I practically lived there," he said.

The neighborhood, like many in Detroit, had grown around factories. Many were sprawling, chaotic places typified by the Packard Plant on East Grand, which employed more than 30,000 workers during the height of World War II.

By 1950, 36 years after Henry Ford began paying workers $5 a day, Detroit's population had quadrupled. Some 350,000 moved to the city seeking work during the war.

Afterward, the auto industry deemed multi-story plants inefficient. Manufacturers favored sprawling, single-story facilities that extended assembly lines and covered hundreds if not thousands of acres.

From 1945 to 1960, car companies built 33 plants in Metro Detroit. None was in Detroit. The city had no space because of the population explosion and was landlocked since its last annexation in 1926.

"(There was) no room to rejuvenate the manufacturing base on a single-story platform," said John Mogk, a Wayne State University law professor who studies land use and ran for mayor in 1977.

The east side was the hardest hit, losing 70,000 jobs in the 1950s, as competition and consolidation forced closure or mergers of automakers such as Hudson and Packard.

Government policies encouraged suburban growth. The city's congestion, deteriorating housing and new highways made it easier for residents to leave.

Most blacks had nowhere to go. They were confined to pockets of the city, hemmed in by federal housing policies and activist groups that enforced segregation.

In the 1920s and 1930s, neighborhoods such as Black Bottom thrived with hundreds of black-owned businesses. By the 1950s, the neighborhoods had begun to decline and blacks were increasingly relegated to housing projects.

New arrivals brought old prejudices. They erupted in 1943, when a shoving incident on Belle Isle ignited a three-day riot between blacks and whites that left 34 dead.

"You had a system that pits against each other immigrant whites and blacks from the South," said the Rev. Richard Sauerzopf, who studies Detroit for Michigan State University's Global Urban Studies Program.

"In Detroit, the solution wasn't to make it work. It was to leave."

By the end of the 1950s, the suburbs were in full flower. Northland Center in Southfield, then the world's largest shopping center, had opened in 1954. Two years later, Detroit's water department began expanding lines to farm fields to expand city revenues.

By decade's end, 1 of 4 white residents would leave the city. On Lakewood, the surrounding neighborhood lost 2,000 of its 13,600 residents in the 1950s.

Blacks lived about five blocks away. There were only seven total in the neighborhood. But as layoffs mounted, Ledbetter said neighbors asked: "How long before blacks move in and lower property values?"

"There were an awful lot of whites who didn't like blacks," said Ledbetter, who added he never heard his parents disparage African-Americans.

The 1960s: Race tensions boil over
A unique sound from Detroit — Motown — was on the airwaves. And Lakewood proved equally harmonious to David and Carol Angeleri when they moved a few doors down from the Ledbetters in 1963.

"It was one of the most beautiful neighborhoods a kid could grow up in ... ," he said. "We look back at it as if it was almost a utopia."

Upon graduating from Southeastern High School, David Angeleri faced traditional career choices: factory life, the military or perhaps college. Angeleri opted for a job with the city, beginning as a clerk.

It paid less than auto plants, but provided stability and decent benefits. He concluded factory work "wasn't for me" after seeing his uncle careen from overtime-stuffed paychecks to months-long strikes and layoffs.

At the time, the city governmenthad about 23,000 workers. They operated four city-owned hospitals, two zoos, meat and dairy inspections, welfare rolls and "everything else that dawned on people to do because the City Council sat around thinking, 'What can we do for the people to keep getting elected?' " said Edward Rago, a former budget official who began working for the city in 1964.

But tensions were rising, inside City Hall and out. Crime was up. Police were cracking down. A year before the Angeleris moved in, a young, charismatic mayor, Jerome Cavanagh, took office and inherited a $28 million budget deficit.

He pushed through the city's first income tax on residents and commuters. His predecessor, Louis Miriani, had passed a massive property tax increase. So began a series of cash infusions that would bridge the gap for about a decade until the next crisis, Rago said.

It continued for decades until Detroit had the highest tax rate of any big city in America.

"People kept leaving, but City Hall never downsized as we dropped off. Once jobs are created, they are hard to get rid of," Rago said.

The city's racial tensions couldn't be solved with more money. Motown may have brought blacks and whites together nationwide, but it couldn't do the same for its namesake city.

Blacks flooded to Detroit to work in auto plants through World War II, but typically got the worst jobs in foundries. The barriers remained after work.

From 1938 to 1968, Federal Housing Administration policies barred loans in neighborhoods with "inharmonious racial or nationality groups." That made it virtually impossible for blacks to move into white areas. Those who did were often met by mobs who feared black neighbors would depress home values, Boyle said.

"Detroit's great growth took place at the same time that segregation was created across the North," said Boyle, whose book, "Arc of Justice," chronicled Dr. Ossian Sweet, a black Detroit physician charged with murder for defending his home against angry whites in 1925.

"What makes Detroit different is the intensity, the scale and force that didn't hit a lot of other cities," Boyle said. "The worst part of (segregation) is that it made people who weren't racist behave in racist ways: perfectly decent people caught up in these complex forces."

Beginning in the 1950s, the city began demolishing culturally rich neighborhoods such as Black Bottom and Paradise Valley on the east side. Eventually, the land became Interstate 75 and the Lafayette Park high-rise complex.

It was called urban renewal. It was known as Negro removal and thousands were forced from their homes, said the Rev. David Eberhard, a Lutheran minister who moved to Detroit in 1959 to operate Riverside Lutheran, about 2 miles from Lakewood.

"If you don't want racial tensions that come with integration, then don't disturb the neighborhoods," Sauerzopf said. "They displaced hundreds of thousands of blacks and did it overnight. It was absolutely disastrous."

Blacks' frustration over police tactics, unemployment and the pace of the civil rights movement led to riots in Buffalo, Cincinnati and Newark in summer 1967. Detroit faced similar problems and Cavanagh warned "the city could explode."

It did on July 23, 1967, when police raided an unlicensed speakeasy.

Mayhem and fires spread through the city. Eberhard rode up and down Jefferson — past Lakewood — telling kids to go home. He slept on the floor of his church with the window open, listening to gunfire.

"We'd been through Devil's Nights before and I figured that, for most of these kids, it was just mischief," said Eberhard, who became pastor of Historic Trinity Lutheran Church on Gratiot after Riverside closed.

"I was naive."

Call them riots or rebellion, but the civil disobedience was the deadliest in the nation in at least 50 years. The five-day disturbance left 43 dead, 1,189 injured and 2,000 buildings destroyed.

On Lakewood, the Ledbetters were caught by the tug of history. Jobs continued to move to the suburbs and in 1966 his father was transferred to a new Chrysler plant in Trenton.

The family moved to Taylor, whose population tripled from 1950 to 1970 to nearly 70,000. The home on Lakewood languished for more than a year until it was sold to a real estate company two months after the riots.

The company flipped it to a black family. Ledbetter's former neighbors were furious, tracked down his family and made threatening, anonymous phone calls.

The 1970s: A divided region
Five years later, about half the white residents had left Lakewood when Joseph Hunter bought his brick and white clapboard house.

Moving to Lakewood in 1972, the 25-year-old from Alabama sensed a loss among fellow blacks. That year, Berry Gordy Jr. moved Motown Records to Los Angeles. Friends spoke wistfully about clubs in Paradise Valley that were bulldozed.

But neighbors knew each other and got along. High branches arched a canopy over Lakewood. Lawns were mowed and sidewalks shoveled.

"All but one of the spaces on my street were filled up," said Hunter, who is now 66.

Hunter quickly found work installing bolts on Plymouth Volares and Dodge Aspens at Chrysler's Dodge Main plant. The complex, which made the first Dodge in 1914, had become a shadow of itself. At its peak during World War II, it employed 40,000. When Hunter started work, he was one of 8,000 left.

Detroit was hammered by the 1973 oil crisis and competition from smaller, foreign cars. The federal government undercut profits by mandating fuel economy standards in 1975. The Big Three responded with flops — the Ford Pinto and Chevy Vega.

High-profile efforts to rejuvenate the city had mixed success.

The Renaissance Center was supposed to revive downtown when it opened in 1977, but was lambasted as a fortress that suffocated surrounding businesses. The People Mover was announced in the 1970s as the hub of a regional transit system, but funding cuts reduced it to a 3-mile loop around a moribund downtown by the time it opened in 1987.

"I wouldn't say the decline was inevitable," said Bettie Buss, a former budget analyst who worked for the city from 1969 to 1986. "Other manufacturing cities were able to pivot to a new economic base, but the longer you let things go and don't make the hard decisions, it became inevitable."

She and others said a regional government approach could have helped the city. Detroiters may have been moving to the suburbs, but the region's population was stagnant at about 4 million, creating opportunities for partnerships.

Instead, relations continued to sour.  The city's first black mayor, Coleman A. Young, took office in 1974. That year, the city had 714 homicides, up nearly 600 in 10 years, and became known as the Murder Capital of America.

Young's inaugural speech addressing the problem became notorious.

"I issue an open warning to all the dope pushers, to all the rip-off artists, to all muggers," he said. "It is time to leave Detroit. Hit Eight Mile Road."

Many blacks took it as a livelier version of the same anti-crime speech mayors had made for 20 years. Others heard something altogether different: An invitation to white residents to leave.

So began a long-running suburb-city battle that featured Young as a star player until his retirement in 1993.

"Coleman Young was the most unpopular person in Oakland County," said Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson, who came to prominence in the 1970s as a private attorney representing opponents of a busing plan in Detroit and Pontiac.

"He turned off the suburbs with his vitriolic media comments. More than acerbic, they were downright nasty."

Young's backers said whites mistook the mayor's strident defense of Detroit as race baiting. They point to his efforts to expand businesses, shrink the city's deficit and launch a string of high-profile projects including Joe Louis Arena and the expansion of Cobo Center.

"Coleman knew that blacks in Detroit never owned anything, they worked for someone else. He wanted to change that," said Eberhard, the Lutheran pastor who was elected to the City Council in the 1970s.

"He fought like hell for the city. People didn't like him because he cussed and was black."

Young was elected amid an uproar over efforts to end segregation in Detroit Public Schools. An initial plan would have bused children from 53 districts outside Detroit into the city and send Detroit children into the suburbs.

The plan was scrapped. A second plan, for Detroit residents, would have sent children across the city to racially balance schools.

The Angeleris had moved to Coram Street on the northeast side and could see their children's elementary school from their front porch. The plan — which would have sent them to schools across town — was too much.

Save for one year of kindergarten for their oldest daughter, they sent their children to Catholic schools.

"We resented that. We were already paying taxes and we had to do this to keep my kids safe," Carol Angeleri said.

By decade's end, 414,000 whites would leave, making Detroit a majority black city.

Most whites left Lakewood as well. Hunter suffered one layoff after another as the auto industry foundered. He was transferred to Chrysler's Lynch Road assembly plant that made the Chrysler New Yorker, Dodge St. Regis and Plymouth Gran Fury.

The jeweler, shoe store and bakery on Jefferson closed.

In 1979, Chrysler announced it would permanently shut Dodge Main and Lynch Road.

"I wasn't worried," Hunter said. "All of Chrysler couldn't just go away."

The 1980s: The crack wars
On Jan. 7, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed the Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act, authorizing a $1.5 billion bailout of the automaker.

The money allowed Chrysler to bounce back from near death with the introduction of the K-Car and, later, the first minivan, the Dodge Caravan.

It was made in Windsor, Ont. No one came to Detroit's rescue.

Most plants in the city and state laid off workers. Statewide, unemployment was 17 percent. Among blacks in Detroit, it was closer to 40 percent. By 1981, Ford Motor Co. stock plummeted, prompting speculation of bankruptcy.

Young fought to keep jobs in the city by partnering with General Motors Corp. to use eminent domain in 1981 to clear land in the Poletown neighborhood for General Motors Corp.'s $500 million Detroit/Hamtramck Assembly Plant.

The plan forced 4,200 people from their homes, demolished 140 businesses and led to a 29-day sit-in at Immaculate Conception Church that ended when police forcibly removed 20 protesters.

As Detroit continued to bleed jobs, a new industry was born near Lakewood. One block from Joseph Hunter's house, in an abandoned home on Newport, a marijuana dealer named Billy Chambers introduced a new product: crack cocaine.

Like generations of Detroiters, Chambers and his three brothers migrated from the South — Marianna, Ark. — to make money. Like Henry Ford before them, they perfected mass production and distribution. Their products: $5, $10 and $20 rocks of crack.

By 1987, Chambers controlled or supplied half of Detroit's 1,000 crack houses. One of their top lieutenants appeared on a video dipping his hand into a laundry basket full of dollar bills and exclaiming, "money, money, money!"

The dealers were so flush they handed out $1 bills to residents. It was lousy compensation for the toll crack took on the city. By 1987, emergency rooms in city hospitals reported 4,500 cocaine-related admissions. After years of decline, the city's homicide rate peaked that year at 63.5 murders per 100,000 residents.

Lakewood was a war zone.

"Old people are robbed as they walk to the bank on Jefferson," remembered Hunter, who worked for a Mopar parts plant in Center Line after Dodge Main closed.

"Crackheads were like zombies. They just stole and did crack."

Family life was changing fast. In 1970, 70 percent of Detroit children had both parents at home. Ten years later, just less than half did. Mirroring trends nationwide among the poor, that number eventually fell to 30 percent today.

As jobs diminished and families split, household incomes fell 25 percent from 1970 to 1980 to $36,500 in today's dollars. Detroit typically lagged the nation in educational achievement, but by the 1980s, teens could no longer quit high school one day and get a good job at a parts supplier the next.

As options waned, violence increased. By 1988, the Chambers brothers were indicted and imprisoned. That left Detroit's crack industry wide open and drug gangs fought and killed for turf.

The media called an empty apartment complex on Lakewood "the crack house that can't be cracked." It was raided by police, and then reopened. It was firebombed but operated like a drive-through bank teller.

"I could see a little tube come out from behind the plywood," to a waiting customer outside, Hunter said. "They would drop some cash in the tube, push the tube back in behind the plywood and the tube came back out again with something."

Hunter's wife began sleeping on the floor, afraid of stray bullets from a drive-by shooting.

The elms lining Lakewood began to rot. Neighbors left and weren't replaced. In one decade, the block lost half its 105 occupied homes.

The 1990s: New hope, old problems
By 1993, the only work on Lakewood was bulldozers demolishing vacant houses. As the houses went down, the trees went with them.

As empty spaces expanded, city crews sporadically cut grass but did such a poor job that Hunter and neighbor Joann Thomas began to do it themselves.

The neighborhood was falling fast, with more vacant homes than occupied ones.

"My mortgage was paid off, so I wasn't going anywhere," said Thomas, who moved onto Lakewood in 1978 and worked for General Motors.

"People think all this mess happens all at once. But it happens piece by piece and you don't really understand how much it's changed."

At City Hall, the writing was on the wall as well, said Buss, the former city budget official. Under Mayor Dennis Archer, the city had five years of budget surpluses. SUVs launched another comeback for the auto industry. But long-range forecasts made it clear a storm was looming.

In 1950, the city had 1.8 million residents and 8,500 retirees. In 40 years, the number of retirees doubled, while the population fell by half and the tax base by a third. The city's workforce didn't keep pace with the decline, falling 13 percent to 19,903 from 1960.

"After a while, the numbers got so dire there was a decision not to do the numbers anymore," said Buss, who left the city in 1986 and continued to consult the city for private planning groups for another 25 years.

"I would make a presentation and (city officials) would follow me and say, 'We have a plan. It's going to fix everything.' Then they would just borrow more money. It was just pathetic."

The budgets became more fluid as the city's tax base shrank. Instead of raises, mayors since the 1970s gave unions concessions, Buss said. The perks made it harder to fire workers, provided premium health care and allowed dozens of employees to work full-time on union issues.

The city had a handful of unions in the 1960s. Most had little power. That began to change in the late 1960s after the Michigan Legislature passed laws allowing for binding arbitration in police and fire unions and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees began aggressively organizing city workers.

By the end of the 1990s, the city had 48 unions.

Part of City Hall's resistance to meaningful reform was the boom-bust mentality of the auto industry, Buss said. The city had been on the brink so many times before and always bounced back.

"It was so easy. The auto industry was the goose that laid the golden egg for us," Buss said.

"It formed a lot of cultural expectations of decent wages for low-skilled jobs. It affected the wages and fringes in the public sector. It created a strong union environment and a whole series of union requirements about what a good job was."

The city's influence in Lansing had fallen with its economic clout.

In 1970, Detroit was home to 60 percent of the region's jobs and 20 percent of those in the state. By 2000, one-third of the region's jobs were in Detroit and only 6 percent of the state's jobs.

As the '90s closed, Gov. John Engler signed a series of laws that would have been unthinkable when Detroit was Michigan's economic engine. In 1999, state Republicans erased residency rules for municipal workers in Detroit and other cities and removed the Detroit Public Schools' Board of Education amid accusations of mismanagement.

A year earlier, the state agreed to a deal that gradually lowered Detroit's income tax in exchange for more revenue sharing. Within a few years, the state would rescind its promise for more money.

The city, though, had a new lifeline: casinos.

And Lakewood had one as well: James "Jack Rabbit" Jackson, a retired Detroit police officer who took it upon himself to keep the neighborhood safe when police couldn't.

The 2000s: Flash, then crashThe 21st century dawned with new promise and false facades.

Dozens were thrown up, along with wiring and furniture, in abandoned storefronts on Woodward Avenue to convert them into temporary bars for Super Bowl XL in 2006. They were abandoned again after the game, but the good feelings lingered.

Downtown hadn't looked so good in years, with three new casinos that provided the city some $172 million a year, two new sports arenas, Comerica Park and Ford Field, and a revamped riverfront.

"There was a swell of excitement," said Reginald Hartsfield, a business consultant and nursing home operator. "It was good for business."

A new mayor with a diamond stud earring, Kwame Kilpatrick, took office in 2002 promising rebirth. On his agenda: rebuilding Lakewood and the surrounding neighborhood.

In 2005, Kilpatrick agreed to a deal with former U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros, who promised to spend $258 million building 3,000 houses on 1,200 acres. In return, Detroit spent millions of dollars acquiring land, razing homes and rebuilding roads.

Known as the New Far East Side Development, it built no homes but provided work to contractors including a friend of the mayor, Bobby Ferguson.

By then, Lakewood had become a street of empty spaces. From Hunter's porch, he had a clear view to the next block, Newport, which also was mainly empty. Even the Chambers brothers' first crack house had been demolished.

The street was riddled with potholes, but that didn't stop Jack Rabbit Jackson. He started patrolling the neighborhood in his flat-bed tow truck in 2001, a few years before the city shut the 5th police precinct nearby and eliminated 1,900 police officers citywide.

"When I started, a lot of other streets were under siege," said Jackson, 65, who retired from the force in 1984. "It was homeowners versus the drug dealers and criminals. And the good people needed some help."

Jackson helped build a network of neighbors, businesses and community groups.

On occasion, he carries a gun during patrols but prefers a video camera. He filmed drug dealers working in abandoned homes, burglars casing houses, chop shoppers dismantling cars and leaving behind stripped frames.

More than once, he waited in his home certain a car outside was a revenge-seeking drug dealer. They were likely deterred by surveillance cameras on Jackson's porch and scurried back into the shadows.

"You ask anybody around here, they trust Jack Rabbit just as much as the police to stop things around here," said Thomas, 68, who is retired from GM.

She and others lost faith in the city to provide basic services. By mid-decade, police response times averaged up to an hour or more, ambulances routinely broke, firefighters lacked equipment and 40 percent of the streetlights didn't work.

That's partly because the influx of casino money was a short-term fix for long-term problems.By 2005, the city faced a $230 million budget shortfall and had more retirees, 20,000, than workers, 17,000.

Kilpatrick borrowed big, $1.4 billion in 2005 and 2006 to fund the city's pension systems, then $130 million in 2006 to pay its bills.

"You don't borrow yourself into a positive position," said Patterson of Oakland County. "It was pure mismanagement and unbridled spending."

The bottom fell out in 2008. In September, Kilpatrick resigned facing charges he lied under oath during a police whistle-blower trial.

A month later, the stock market crashed, dragged down by a wave of subprime housing loans. That year, some 4,000 homes per month would go into foreclosure in Detroit, the most in the nation.

As Kilpatrick sat in jail and the nation teetered toward depression, executives from General Motors and Chrysler Corp. flew in corporate jets to ask Capitol Hill for help for their companies.

Both went through bankruptcy but rebounded, aided by an $80 billion government bailout, dramatic restructurings and Fiat's takeover of Chrysler.

Four years later, the city followed suit, declaring bankruptcy in federal court downtown.

The filing came four months after Kilpatrick stood in the same courthouse and heard jurors find him guilty of public corruption. He and Ferguson were convicted of enriching themselves by fixing bids on public works projects.

Among them: Ferguson's repairs of water mains along Lakewood for the New Far East Side revitalization project that stalled before a single house was built.

The rebirth may have never happened, but Lakewood residents got some good news in 2011. City crews replaced streetlights that hadn't worked in years.

They worked for a few weeks. Then they went off and Lakewood again went dark.

Epilogue: What remains
Those whose lives were shaped by Lakewood are left trying to reconcile memories and reality.

Like thousands of autoworkers' sons, Hassel Ledbetter escaped the factory. A love of learning, fostered at the Detroit Public Library branch on Kercheval, propelled him to leave Michigan. He got a doctorate in physics in the 1960s from the University of Illinois and is now an engineering professor at University of Colorado at Boulder.

He returned a few years ago. The neighborhood he remembers is gone. His house at 1295 Lakewood is a vacant lot owned by Mike Kelly, Detroit's biggest land speculator. Only 18 of the 100 homes on Ledbetter's childhood paper route remain.

"I was stunned," Ledbetter said. "My mind just cannot grasp that and the reasons it could be allowed to happen."

Safety fears forced the Angeleris to leave the city for Warren in 1993, when David retired as a fire dispatcher. Their old home on Coram now sits in the most murderous ZIP code in America, 48205. It's patrolled by their son, a Detroit police officer, and son-in-law, a firefighter.

The couple said they're still loyal to Detroit, but wonder if it's loyal to them. They worry how bankruptcy would affect David's $30,000 annual pension — and wonder how a city that not long ago was full of people, houses and taxpayers could be in this situation.

"We didn't see this," David Angeleri said. "Like all retirees we're devastated."

On Lakewood, years of disinvestment and tumult have faded to calm.

Eleven occupied homes remain between swaths of scrub. The surrounding neighborhood's population has fallen to 1,700 from 13,600 in 1950. Joseph Hunter leaves a rusted car in the driveway of the empty house next door to make it seem occupied. He drinks only bottled water because the new pipes laid to revive the neighborhood make tap water taste like sewage.

People treat the street like a dumping ground for trash, but Lakewood is primed for a comeback, Hunter said. He's just not sure he'll be alive to see it.

"I'm not going anywhere," he said.

Joann Thomas spends her retirement mowing acres of vacant fields surrounding her home. Some weeks, she's out there every day.

"At night, all you hear is crickets," she said. "There's whole families of deer now and possums. I wouldn't mind some neighbors, but there's no more trouble. It's beautiful."

The factories are long gone. So are the small shops. Even the empty homes have been picked clean by scrappers. There is little crime now because not much remains.

There is little left to steal on this block of what was once called a city of magic.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131004/METRO01/310040001#ixzz2gmkgzUZ9

Some issues are glossed over, but this is a pretty good account of Detroit's decline throughout the past 60 years.

I've been by the neighborhood they're describing.  We were building a cellular tower there, and one of our site acquisition specialists (an older gentleman) had grown up in the area.  He kept taking us through the back streets to get to different potential site locations.  Even in broad daylight that was a frightening place.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 06, 2013, 06:40:06 AM
QuoteThe high cost of corruption: How Kwame Kilpatrick's crimes deepened Detroit's crisis

Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was a spender, a schemer and a liar.

And taxpayers paid for it, by the millions.

Over seven years, Kilpatrick's public corruption schemes, lavish lifestyle and ethical missteps cost taxpayers at least $20 million, a tab the financially strapped city was in no position to pick up but did anyway — usually without knowing.

On Thursday, Kilpatrick will be sentenced for 24 corruption convictions. As he heads to federal prison for what could be decades, one important question lingers: How much did his extortion, kickback and bribery rackets contribute to the city's financial crisis and its filing in July for the largest municipal bankruptcy in the nation's history?

"Kilpatrick is not the main culprit of the city's historic bankruptcy, which is the result of larger social and economic forces at work for decades," federal prosecutors said in court documents. "But his corrupt administration exacerbated the crisis."


In purely monetary figures, the cost of Kilpatrick's ring of corruption is staggering:

■ There's the $8.4-million settlement the city coughed up in the 2007 police whistle-blower trial.

■ Another $9.6 million in illegal profits was pocketed over the years through crooked water and sewer contracts, the government says.

■ A $500,000 state grant that was meant for kids and seniors instead went to Kilpatrick's contractor friend, Bobby Ferguson, and Kilpatrick's wife, Carlita Kilpatrick. Taxpayers also paid $42,000 to lease two Lincoln Navigators for the former first lady.

■ Kilpatrick misused his city-issued credit card, charging more than $210,000 in his first three years in office for perks like a family trip to Las Vegas, spa visits, a hotel room for the babysitter and an $850 steak dinner. The mayor's petty cash fund also was abused to the tune of $144,000, which covered things like Lions football tickets, a Rolling Stones concert, health club membership and $43,000 worth of meals.

■ Tax dollars aside, there's also the $84 million in losses to troubled city pension funds. Six individuals, including Kilpatrick appointee and former fraternity brother Jeffrey Beasley, face criminal charges in that case. Kilpatrick wasn't indicted, but he is named as a coconspirator.

■ The cost to taxpayers for prosecuting him and providing him with a public defender won't be known until his appeals are exhausted.

But much more difficult to quantify is the nonmonetary cost of corruption: the betrayal of the public's trust. The honest contractors who were elbowed out of deals, even though their bids were lower. The businesses that refused to participate in pay-to-play schemes and just stayed away — or went somewhere else.

"The numbers don't tell the gravity of the situation," said Reid Schar, the former federal prosecutor who successfully prosecuted former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. "When you have public corruption cases, the things that are very difficult to gauge and are not captured are, 'How much of public confidence is eroded by what the person has done? ...

"How do you put a value on a company that didn't bid or get the job?' You don't know."

In 2002, for example, Kilpatrick killed a plan to add a House of Blues restaurant at Ford Field because the company that proposed it refused to hire Kilpatrick's father and codefendant as its minority partner. Kilpatrick had pledged $10 million in city funds but changed his mind when the company refused to hire his dad.

In 2006, Ferguson used his relationship with the mayor to pressure a company into giving him 40% of a contract to renovate the Detroit police headquarters. The company offered 30%. Ferguson declined. The company then bowed out of the deal.

In 2001, minority contractor William Hayes was stiffed out of a $24.7-million sewer repair job that Kilpatrick steered to Ferguson instead. Six years later, Hayes closed his 40-year-old excavation business, claiming later that Ferguson and Kilpatrick made it impossible for him to compete for water and sewer contracts.

"He helped put me out of business," Hayes told the Free Press in March, referring to Ferguson. "It said right in the text messages. He told Kwame to put me out."

Meanwhile, Kilpatrick padded the city payroll with friends and family, including a cousin who admitted stealing nearly $20,000 from the Manoogian Mansion restoration fund. City payroll records show that more than two dozen of Kilpatrick's appointees were relatives or close friends who got an average 36% in salary increases while other employees got 2%.

The government is seeking at least 28 years in prison for Kilpatrick and up to 28 years for his longtime friend and partner in crime, Ferguson, who got $127 million in city contracts while Kilpatrick was mayor. Prosecutors said at least $73 million of that work was obtained illegally.

The defense is challenging the sentencing guidelines, saying the high end of Kilpatrick's sentence should be 15 years. The defense will make its own sentencing recommendation on Monday.

Schar, who got a 14-year conviction for Blagojevich, said the government's request for Kilpatrick is noteworthy, but not surprising.

"The courts are becoming less tolerant of the behavior and are willing to punish them more severely," Schar said of corrupt politicians.


For example, former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, who preceded Blagojevich, got 6½ years for 18 public corruption convictions in 2006. Five years later, Blagojevich got 14 years on similar counts. And last year, Jimmy Dimora, a county commissioner in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, got 28 years in prison.

"You're beginning to see (public corruption sentences) move up. ... The trend is definitely up," Schar said. "It seems clear that because these types of cases continue nationwide, the lesser sentences are not proving a sufficient deterrent."

Prosecutors in Detroit agree. "Unfortunately, the prosecutions and resulting penalties in past public corruption cases in this region have not been sufficient," they said in court documents. "They clearly did not dissuade Kilpatrick and his associates from using the mayor's office to engage in a brazen six-year crime spree."

"Kilpatrick is more culpable — and his misconduct more pervasive — than any other public corruption defendant sentenced in recent memory," prosecutors wrote in their sentencing memo, later adding: "None of the other public officials disrupted his community as profoundly as Kilpatrick did."

Todd Haugh, a law professor at Chicago-Kent College of Law, says he believes Kilpatrick's criminal record is especially damaging. He has been to jail three times: once for obstruction of justice and perjury in the text message scandal and twice for probation violations, including one that took place in the middle of his public corruption trial. He took a cash wire money transfer from a pastor in Chicago and never reported it to his parole officer.

"I can't imagine that he's not going to get a very stiff sentence," said Haugh, a white-collar crime expert who helped amend federal fraud sentencing guidelines, which stiffened public corruption penalties in 2004.

"That's a problem under the (sentencing) guidelines. It shows that someone has a history of doing the wrong thing, and that's something judges care about," said Haugh, adding that the monetary cost of Kilpatrick's crimes also is noteworthy. "This is a lot of money. We're not talking about a couple thousand bucks here. We're talking about pretty big amounts."

Kilpatrick and Ferguson have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. Ferguson has long maintained that he earned every contract he got. And Kilpatrick has argued that he didn't have as much say over contracts as the government claims, and that he never forced anyone to give Ferguson work.

Kilpatrick's lawyer, Harold Gurewitz, argues that Kilpatrick's suggested punishment is based on crimes that were never proved. He also said Kilpatrick's criminal history was overstated, and Kilpatrick was never the leader of any conspiracy.

"I have faith in the judicial system," said Gurewitz. "All we can really hope and pray for is that the system works in the way that it's intended."

When U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds sentences Kilpatrick, she will have several factors to consider, including: the purpose of the punishment, the harm that was caused, deterrence, whether the defendant can be rehabilitated, and how other similar defendants have been punished to ensure there's no disparity.

Haugh noted that Edmunds also can consider the city's bankruptcy filing. "That's like a CEO cooking the books and the company goes bankrupt. ... I don't know that there's a reason the judge can't consider that."

Edmunds also heard plenty at trial. There was minority contractor Avinash Rachmale, who said that he gave Ferguson $1.7 million for no work because he feared having his contracts killed. Contractor Thomas Hardiman said he lost two contracts worth $15 million combined because he wouldn't give Ferguson a big enough cut. Past mayoral employees said they were hit up for cash twice a year to buy Kilpatrick Christmas and birthday gifts. And Emma Bell, Kilpatrick's fund-raiser, said that she gave the ex-mayor more than $200,000 in cash kickbacks because she felt pressured.

"It struck me as such a brazen case," said Richard Winters, a veteran government professor at Dartmouth College who has researched and written about political corruption.

"I can't believe that the courts will ignore that anecdotal evidence," said Winters, referring to allegations of pay-to-play schemes that shoved certain businesses out of deals.

Winters noted that public corruption doesn't always deter economic development. For example, Illinois and Chicago have had plenty of public corruption, including four convicted governors — yet Chicago is thriving.

Unfortunately, Detroit's not in the same boat. The city says it's bankrupt.

"I would be hesitant to lay something as big as that at the foot of (Kilpatrick)," said Schar, the Blagojevich prosecutor. "But if I wanted to subtly address this, I'd say, 'We're in bankruptcy. There may have been ways to avoid that.' "

This is pocket change as compared to the damage Kwame did through the bond sales and investments.  As it turns out Kwame's incompetence was more costly than his crimes. 

I did like the part about extorting city employees for Christmas presents.  The Detroit Christmas:  Tidings of comfort and joy... or else!  :mad:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 06, 2013, 04:30:59 PM
There's a mayoral campaign in Detroit right now between Mike Duggan a white carpet-bagger and Benny Napoleon the native son.  Duggan, an attorney and businessman, has run a reform campaign.  Napoleon, on the other hand, has plans to invade Ontario and use the plunder to eliminate Detroit's insolvency.

Just kidding, Napoleon hasn't actually run much of a campaign; and it's starting to look like Duggan may walk away with election.  Napoleon's latest advertisement is the grammatically challenged "We must have forgot":

http://detroitforward.net/ (http://detroitforward.net/)

Given Benny's surname I thought all the Detroit Gloire in the video was appropriate.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: garbon on October 06, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
Hey Sav, I wanted to say thanks for posting that article on the history of Detroit. Interesting! :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on October 10, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
Going, going, gone:

QuoteKilpatrick sentence: 28 years
Judge on ex-mayor: 'This man chose to waste his talents'


Detroit — Kwame Kilpatrick has been sentenced to serve 28 years in prison for crimes of racketeering and conspiracy committed during his six years as the mayor of Detroit. That sentence was just handed down in U.S. federal court by Judge Nancy Edmunds.

Edmunds said she was required to issue a sentence that is "sufficient but not greater than necessary" for a criminal enterprise that ran from Kilpatrick's time in the state House to the mayor's office. She described the former mayor as a larger-than-life character who helped himself to a jet-setting lifestyle. A significant sentence, she said, sends the message that corruption won't be tolerated.

Kilpatrick appeared stunned on hearing his sentence, and a few in the courtroom crowd could be heard saying "Oh no." If he serves the entirety of the 28 years, the 43-year-old would be 71 when he walks out of prison.

After declining to testify on his own behalf during the trial, Kilpatirck spoke before Edmunds made her ruling. It was an emotional and occasionally apologetic speech that included the omission: "I really messed up."

"We've been stuck in this town for a very long time dealing with me," he said. "I'm ready to go so the city can move on."

His speech touched on a variety of subjects from his time in office and beyond, including:

■His affair with his former Chief of Staff Christine Beatty: "I was mad at people for finding out."

■His own shortcomings: "It was pride and ego that took over. I couldn't lose."

■His resignation from office: "I didn't realize then that I beat down the spirit and energy and vibrance of what was going on in the city."

■His father, Bernard Kilpatrick: "He's a real good man."

■Stealing money from the city: "I've never done that..."

■The City of Detroit: "I want the city to be great again," and to have a feeling "like it had during the 2006 SuperBowl."

■His mother Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick's term in office: "I killed her career."

It did not take long for reactions to being coming in. Within minutes of the sentencing announcement, Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson took to his Twitter account, writing:

"What bothers me most is the sacrifice of a potentially brilliant career.#KwameKilpatrick"

"They guy was intelligent, charismatic and greedy as hell.#KwameKilpatrick."

"This is the end of a long Greek tragedy.#KwameKilpatrick."


Barbara McQuade, the U.S. Attorney who oversaw Kikpatrick's prosecution said: "This is an historic day in City of Detroit... It's a powerful sentence and it sends a powerful message, I think, that the people of Detroit won't tolerate this abuse of the public trust."

As for Kilpatrick's speech in court, McQuade had a mixed review.

"At the end of the day he did not e accept responsibility for stealing from the people."

Prior to Kilpatrick's address, his attorneys went to bat for him, saying he should not be punished for the sins of the city's last 50 years. Their client, they said, hopes to use his ability and talents productively in the future. Kilpatrick's legal team had pushed for their client to receive no more than 15 years and had asked the judge to send him to prison in Texas where his wife and children now live.

Given their turn, prosecutors called Kilpatrick's collected misdeeds "one of the most significant cases of public corruption... in the entire country..."

The former mayor arrived in the courtroom just after 10 a.m., handcuffed and in khaki prison attire. During the early portion of the hearing, he appeared subdued, sitting with his elbows on the defense table as his attorneys argued he should receive no more than 15 years.

Prosecutors and defense attorneys haggled over the estimated $9.6 million in profits reaped by Kilpatrick and co-defendant contractor Bobby Ferguson in their racketeering scheme. After hearing roughly 20 minutes of arguments on that key point, U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds set a conservative estimate of $4.6 million for sentencing purposes.

Family members, many of whom sat through large portions of his trial, were not on hand, including wife, Carlita, and his parents, Bernard and Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick.

Jurors found Kilpatrick, once the city's favorite political son, guilty of 24 counts of misconduct — including racketeering and conspiracy — during his time in office. Today, seven months after the verdict, he faced the possibility of a prison term that could have kept him incarcerated for the remainder of his life.

The courtroom at the Theodore Levin federal courthouse in downtown Detroit began filling up with attorneys and observers more than an hour ahead of the 10 a.m. start time for Thursday's sentencing. Kilpatrick arrived at 9:25 a.m. in the company of the U.S. Marshall's Service after being transported from prison in Milan.

That final decision will be made by Edmunds, who oversaw the trial involving Kilpatrick and co-defendants Ferguson and Bernard Kilpatrick — a trial that ran for six months.

Andrew Arena, director of the Detroit Crime Commission and former head of the Detroit FBI, said Kilpatrick and Ferguson did themselves no favors.

"What's not helping these guys was the fact they were committing crimes during the trial, hiding money," he said. "(The judge must) send a message. These sentences (of public officials) used to be 10-12 months. I think now the court is trying to send a message that this is unacceptable."

At 43, even if Kilpatrick, who served as Detroit's mayor from 2002 until 2008, receives the minimum sentence prosecutors are requesting (28 years), he would be into his 70s by the time of his release. Ferguson's sentencing is scheduled for Friday.

Legal experts and lawyers who have tangled with Kilpatrick aren't expecting the former mayor to be apologetic if he speaks on his own behalf.

"He could tell the judge where the missing millions are," said Bloomfield Hills lawyer Norman Yatooma, who sued Kilpatrick and the city for $150 million on behalf of the family of slain stripper Tamara "Strawberry" Greene. "What he will do is insist on his innocence and talk about how he was discriminated against by the judicial system — and get everything that he's got coming to him."

Kilpatrick and Ferguson were convicted of charges related to running a criminal enterprise and dipping into the city treasury to fund lifestyles that included custom-made suits, private jet travel and luxury resort stays.

In court documents filed earlier this month, prosecutors wrote: "Kwame Kilpatrick was entrusted by the citizens of Detroit to guide their city through one of its most challenging periods. The city desperately needed resolute leadership. Instead it got a mayor looking to cash in on his office through graft, extortion and self-dealing."

Of Ferguson, they wrote: "It was Ferguson, rather than Kilpatrick, who was the 'boots on the ground' of the extortion enterprise, directly issuing threats to the local business people."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131010/METRO01/310100078#ixzz2hLai97bq

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Post by: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 02:16:23 PM
The man is a legend.  Most mayors couldn't be more corrupt if they tried.
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Post by: garbon on October 10, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
Good. :)
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Post by: citizen k on October 10, 2013, 05:05:00 PM


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Post by: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2013, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 02:16:23 PM
The man is a legend.  Most mayors couldn't be more corrupt if they tried.

No shit, especially in this day and age.  Mayors, hell--third world countries don't have strongmen do as much damage.*


*<insert LULZ BUT DETROIT IS A 3RD WURLD COUNTRY preemptive joke here>

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Post by: Savonarola on October 11, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
I believe in America.  America has made my fortune.

QuoteBobby Ferguson sentenced to serve 21 years in federal prison for corruption

By Jim Schaefer, Tammy Stables Battaglia and Eric D. Lawrence

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers

One day after former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison for his role in a widespread public corruption case, his friend and codefendant, Bobby Ferguson, was sentenced to serve 21 years in prison.

"Bobby Ferguson was the catalyst at the center of an historic and unprecedented criminal scheme," U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds said.

The government had asked for Ferguson, who was convicted on nine counts, including racketeering, extortion and bribery, to receive a maximum 28-year prison sentence. Edmunds said Ferguson had no elected accountability, which makes him different from Kilpatrick, who was convicted on 24 counts.

Edmunds said Ferguson muscled other companies and got what he wanted by threatening to use his friendship with Kilpatrick to kill deals. She said he intimidated people both physically and economically.

Edmunds called Ferguson "hotheaded" and said he threatened his mistresses not to testify truthfully to a grand jury, submitted false documents, including during this trial, and threatened a police officer if tickets weren't dropped.

She ordered anger management classes for him if necessary.

"Mr. Ferguson was bold and outspoken in his extortion ... laughing at contractors' attempts to reach out for an explanation" as to why their contracts were canceled, Edmunds said. "His criminal activity stopped only because Kwame Kilpatrick was forced to resign."

Edmunds said the atmosphere of corruption forced good people away from Detroit.

She said Ferguson needed to be "substantially punished."

According to the government, Ferguson received $127 million worth of city contracts while Kilpatrick was mayor and, of that, $73 million was awarded illegally. That translated into $9.6 million in illegal profits, which Ferguson shared with Kilpatrick, the government says.

This morning, the attorneys debated how much of the ill-gotten money should be attributed to Ferguson. His lawyers have argued no evidence was produced during the trial showing he made $9.6 million in total profits off water and sewer contracts.

Edmunds said she would use the lower figure of $6.3 million for the purpose of determining Ferguson's sentence. Edmunds also came up with a lower figure of $4.6 million in determining Kilpatrick's sentence on Thursday.

Gerald Evelyn, one of Ferguson's attorneys, said he wasn't surprised at the sentence, which will be addressed by an appeal. Edmunds told Ferguson he has 14 days to file a notice of appeal.

"It's a tough situation," Evelyn said after the sentencing. "The final chapter hasn't been written yet. I agonize over any client that I have. But obviously I agonize over Bobby because I know him and I know part of how this whole thing went. ... It's obviously troubling. Some people say it could be worse. But the reality is that it's still significant."

Ferguson talks about American dream

Ferguson, who was brought into the courtroom wearing prison garb, told Edmunds today that everything in court has been interpreted the way the government wanted. The only thing that can't be misinterpreted, he said, is the word of God.

Ferguson said he is shocked by the justice system. Today, Ferguson said, he was placed in a room with a 19-year-old who said he was going to get 20 years in prison. Ferguson said that young man's life is destroyed.

"In America, it seems like genocide on black people," Ferguson, 44, said. "I'm not trying to make this racist, I'm just telling you how I feel. ... The American dream is supposed to be prosperity, liberty. I just don't see it that way no more, judge."

Evelyn said his client married his high school sweetheart, whom he met at age 14, and raised five children.

Ferguson, gripping a Bible, told Edmunds: "I just pray and ask the Lord that He continues to bless my children and my family as they move through this ordeal."

He said it was strange his sentencing was today, which is his wife's birthday.

"Happy Birthday, Marilyn," Ferguson said of his wife, who filed for divorce earlier this month.

She did not comment after the sentencing.

Attorney: Ferguson's life 'has come crashing down around him'

After the sentencing, Evelyn said people are hearing one side of the story.

"I think it isn't just about trying to take Bobby Ferguson and Kwame Kilpatrick and make them be examples of the decline of the city," he said. "I think that's an ahistorical point of view. It's inconsistent And I think it's blame-shifting to a greater sense than might be necessary."

During the hearing, Evelyn talked about how Ferguson was successful before he met Kilpatrick, building his company in a competitive industry. At its height, Evelyn said, Ferguson's company employed 1,500 people.

Ferguson, Evelyn said, did not hurt other minority businesses.

"He helped build other minority companies," Evelyn said.

Edmunds said Ferguson may have assisted some minority contractors, but in other cases "he was ruthless in putting minority businesses out of contracts and out of business in order" to build his own business.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Bullotta said Ferguson did not help minority contractors and, instead, drove some of them out of business. Before the sentence was handed down, Bullotta said Edmunds should look at Ferguson as a whole.

"He has a history," Bullotta said. "A significant history of criminal violence."

Bullotta said Ferguson once pistol-whipped an employee and was involved in a shooting incident.

He described Ferguson as "the muscle and the money man."

Bullotta said Ferguson received $73 million in illegal proceeds. He said that when citizens elected Kilpatrick, they had no idea they were enabling Ferguson to exercise so much power.

"To all of this there was a cost to the city of Detroit and to its citizens," Bullotta said.

Evelyn said the public does not need to be protected from Ferguson, whose company was destroyed and who he said has grown and changed.

"His life," Evelyn said, "has come crashing down around him."

I'm glad this whole experience has given Bobby an opportunity for personal growth and betterment.  It's just one of the ways the criminal justice system helps everybody.   :bowler:

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Post by: Scipio on October 11, 2013, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 11, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
I believe in America.  America has made my fortune.

QuoteBobby Ferguson sentenced to serve 21 years in federal prison for corruption

By Jim Schaefer, Tammy Stables Battaglia and Eric D. Lawrence

Detroit Free Press Staff Writers

One day after former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison for his role in a widespread public corruption case, his friend and codefendant, Bobby Ferguson, was sentenced to serve 21 years in prison.

"Bobby Ferguson was the catalyst at the center of an historic and unprecedented criminal scheme," U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds said.

The government had asked for Ferguson, who was convicted on nine counts, including racketeering, extortion and bribery, to receive a maximum 28-year prison sentence. Edmunds said Ferguson had no elected accountability, which makes him different from Kilpatrick, who was convicted on 24 counts.

Edmunds said Ferguson muscled other companies and got what he wanted by threatening to use his friendship with Kilpatrick to kill deals. She said he intimidated people both physically and economically.

Edmunds called Ferguson "hotheaded" and said he threatened his mistresses not to testify truthfully to a grand jury, submitted false documents, including during this trial, and threatened a police officer if tickets weren't dropped.

She ordered anger management classes for him if necessary.

"Mr. Ferguson was bold and outspoken in his extortion ... laughing at contractors' attempts to reach out for an explanation" as to why their contracts were canceled, Edmunds said. "His criminal activity stopped only because Kwame Kilpatrick was forced to resign."

Edmunds said the atmosphere of corruption forced good people away from Detroit.

She said Ferguson needed to be "substantially punished."

According to the government, Ferguson received $127 million worth of city contracts while Kilpatrick was mayor and, of that, $73 million was awarded illegally. That translated into $9.6 million in illegal profits, which Ferguson shared with Kilpatrick, the government says.

This morning, the attorneys debated how much of the ill-gotten money should be attributed to Ferguson. His lawyers have argued no evidence was produced during the trial showing he made $9.6 million in total profits off water and sewer contracts.

Edmunds said she would use the lower figure of $6.3 million for the purpose of determining Ferguson's sentence. Edmunds also came up with a lower figure of $4.6 million in determining Kilpatrick's sentence on Thursday.

Gerald Evelyn, one of Ferguson's attorneys, said he wasn't surprised at the sentence, which will be addressed by an appeal. Edmunds told Ferguson he has 14 days to file a notice of appeal.

"It's a tough situation," Evelyn said after the sentencing. "The final chapter hasn't been written yet. I agonize over any client that I have. But obviously I agonize over Bobby because I know him and I know part of how this whole thing went. ... It's obviously troubling. Some people say it could be worse. But the reality is that it's still significant."

Ferguson talks about American dream

Ferguson, who was brought into the courtroom wearing prison garb, told Edmunds today that everything in court has been interpreted the way the government wanted. The only thing that can't be misinterpreted, he said, is the word of God.

Ferguson said he is shocked by the justice system. Today, Ferguson said, he was placed in a room with a 19-year-old who said he was going to get 20 years in prison. Ferguson said that young man's life is destroyed.

"In America, it seems like genocide on black people," Ferguson, 44, said. "I'm not trying to make this racist, I'm just telling you how I feel. ... The American dream is supposed to be prosperity, liberty. I just don't see it that way no more, judge."

Evelyn said his client married his high school sweetheart, whom he met at age 14, and raised five children.

Ferguson, gripping a Bible, told Edmunds: "I just pray and ask the Lord that He continues to bless my children and my family as they move through this ordeal."

He said it was strange his sentencing was today, which is his wife's birthday.

"Happy Birthday, Marilyn," Ferguson said of his wife, who filed for divorce earlier this month.

She did not comment after the sentencing.

Attorney: Ferguson's life 'has come crashing down around him'

After the sentencing, Evelyn said people are hearing one side of the story.

"I think it isn't just about trying to take Bobby Ferguson and Kwame Kilpatrick and make them be examples of the decline of the city," he said. "I think that's an ahistorical point of view. It's inconsistent And I think it's blame-shifting to a greater sense than might be necessary."

During the hearing, Evelyn talked about how Ferguson was successful before he met Kilpatrick, building his company in a competitive industry. At its height, Evelyn said, Ferguson's company employed 1,500 people.

Ferguson, Evelyn said, did not hurt other minority businesses.

"He helped build other minority companies," Evelyn said.

Edmunds said Ferguson may have assisted some minority contractors, but in other cases "he was ruthless in putting minority businesses out of contracts and out of business in order" to build his own business.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Bullotta said Ferguson did not help minority contractors and, instead, drove some of them out of business. Before the sentence was handed down, Bullotta said Edmunds should look at Ferguson as a whole.

"He has a history," Bullotta said. "A significant history of criminal violence."

Bullotta said Ferguson once pistol-whipped an employee and was involved in a shooting incident.

He described Ferguson as "the muscle and the money man."

Bullotta said Ferguson received $73 million in illegal proceeds. He said that when citizens elected Kilpatrick, they had no idea they were enabling Ferguson to exercise so much power.

"To all of this there was a cost to the city of Detroit and to its citizens," Bullotta said.

Evelyn said the public does not need to be protected from Ferguson, whose company was destroyed and who he said has grown and changed.

"His life," Evelyn said, "has come crashing down around him."

I'm glad this whole experience has given Bobby an opportunity for personal growth and betterment.  It's just one of the ways the criminal justice system helps everybody.   :bowler:
God Bless 'Murica!
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Post by: Savonarola on December 17, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
Fortunately nothing is Detroit's fault:

QuoteWhat bled Detroit dry? (It's not pensions)

Editor's note: Ross Eisenbrey is vice president of the Economic Policy Institute.

(CNN) -- A judge's ruling that the city of Detroit can move forward with bankruptcy and strip the city's public workers of their modest pension benefits will have a devastating impact on Detroit's middle class — many of whom are African-American — and the city's ability to rebuild a strong and sustainable economy.

The largest municipal bankruptcy in our nation's history, the Detroit decision charts a course where Wall Street banks and bondholders are at the front of the payment line while city residents, police officers, firefighters and other public employees are left at the rear, with only pennies.

Kevyn Orr, Detroit's unelected emergency manager, misled the public and succeeded in setting a dangerous precedent that will have ripple effects for other cities and states still struggling to get back on their feet in the post-recession economy.

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and Orr, a former corporate bankruptcy lawyer, frequently cited the figure of Detroit's $18 billion in long-term debt as the reason the city must declare bankruptcy. According to a recent report, "The Detroit Bankruptcy," written by former Goldman Sachs investment banker Wallace Turbeville, not only is $18 billion an inflated and inaccurate estimation of Detroit's long-term debt, it is irrelevant. Unlike corporations, cities cannot be liquidated, therefore cash flow, as opposed to long-term debt, is what must be addressed.

Detroit has a cash-flow shortfall of $198 million. Despite the blame placed on public pensions, the truth is that Detroit's path to insolvency had little or nothing to do with pensions, which average just $19,000 per year for most employees and $30,000 per year for police and firefighters, who are not eligible to receive Social Security. There were several drivers of Detroit's downward spiral:

A depleted tax base: The city's wealthier white population has declined by 1.4 million since the 1950s, leaving behind an almost entirely African-American and much poorer population. The remaining tax base continues to decline as unemployment stays stubbornly high: In 2008 alone, the number of working Detroit residents dropped by roughly one-quarter, further diminishing the city's income tax receipts. Property tax revenue also dropped precipitously as home values went through the floor.

Skyrocketing financial costs: Wall Street banks saddled Detroit with $1.6 billion in loan deals that were highly profitable for Wall Street, but exposed the city to risk it could not afford to take. The banks have already extracted $300 million from Detroit to terminate these interest rate swaps, and are posed to collect another $300 million in additional windfalls.

Corporate subsidies and tax loopholes: While public workers were laid off and had salaries cut, Detroit gave away millions of public revenue in tax loopholes and subsidies to big corporations. A wealth of research finds that tax breaks like these are ineffective and it is apparent they have done little to create good jobs for Detroit residents. These tax breaks should be on the table, just like other obligations of the city in resolving the cash-flow crisis.

The dynamics at play in Detroit are the same dynamics creating the growing wealth gap and keeping our economy from making a lasting and sustainable economic recovery. While Wall Street and corporations profit handsomely from a city's decline, public workers—the city's middle class—have sacrificed time and again.

In recent years, thousands of public workers were laid off, and the remaining public employees accepted a 10% pay cut, health benefit reductions and a 40% cut in future pension benefits, saving Detroit $160 million. Not only is it immoral to force the working people to give up even more in the name of fiscal responsibility, but these cuts will only burden the effort to solve the city's long-term challenges by depressing economic activity, pushing more residents into poverty, and making it difficult to retain and attract needed workers.

Instead, Detroit's cash flow shortfall must be addressed by fixing the problems that caused it in the first place. Banks must be told that they have profited enough from interest rate swaps that helped create this mess and will receive no more. The state needs to collaborate by increasing available revenues. Corporate tax loopholes must be closed and ineffective subsidies ended.

Like other cities, Detroit can work its way back toward a healthy local economy with good jobs, quality public services and a robust tax base. But making that happen depends on honoring the promises made to workers and ensuring that Wall Street and big corporations pay their fair share.

I, for one, am outraged that Wall Street would loan Detroit money.  Those fiends!  :mad: 
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Post by: Admiral Yi on December 17, 2013, 03:36:44 PM
Seems the Economic Policy Institute has taken a turn for the wacko.
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Post by: KRonn on December 18, 2013, 07:54:41 AM
Many of the listed causes, not all, would seem the fault of Detroit's politicians continuously mismanaging finances, which is what led to the city's downfall, is how I read it. If Detroit borrowed too much money with risk then who's fault is that? Giving subsidies to corps was costly but I assume was to try and keep them in Detroit, but it probably went too far and failed anyway. Losing the more affluent due to whatever causes probably isn't the city's fault but some of the other issues are since they're about financial mismanagement.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 18, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: KRonn on December 18, 2013, 07:54:41 AM
Many of the listed causes, not all, would seem the fault of Detroit's politicians continuously mismanaging finances, which is what led to the city's downfall, is how I read it. If Detroit borrowed too much money with risk then who's fault is that? Giving subsidies to corps was costly but I assume was to try and keep them in Detroit, but it probably went too far and failed anyway. Losing the more affluent due to whatever causes probably isn't the city's fault but some of the other issues are since they're about financial mismanagement.

The author also doesn't mention that the banks are also going to lose money.  Barclays (who loaned the city the $1.6 Billion) is expected to receive 75 cents on the dollar.  (Barclays is a secured creditor, so that's much more than the unsecured creditors will get.)

The tax breaks given to corporations do benefit the city.  The downtown has much more activity than it did before Compuware and Quicken Loans moved downtown from the suburbs.  They also benefited the city financially since Detroit has an income tax.   

White flight did harm the city's revenue; but that happened fifty years ago.  The city had time to make changes.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 18, 2013, 12:56:57 PM
QuoteMore trouble for Charles Pugh? Racy text messages emerge


(WJBK) -
FOX 2 has obtained a copy of the racy text messages allegedly sent by former Detroit City Council President Charles Pugh to the student he had been mentoring at the time.


Pugh has dismissed allegations before that he was having an inappropriate relationship with the teen, but the allegations carry more weight than many would care to believe.

According to the case report from Madison Heights Police Department, Pugh exchanged several sexually-charged text messages with the student he mentored, offering cash and video games in exchange for nude videos. And the student eventually obliged.

Often times the payout hinged on how much Pugh liked the videos, and the student claims Pugh paid him $160 for one of them.

According to investigators Pugh told the teen to delete the text messages, fearing they could land him in hot water. "Dude, if anyone finds out about this: I'm dead," Pugh allegedly texted. "So please keep this between us."

Despite the evidence that suggests Pugh was preying on the young man, the former City Council President avoided charges.

The prosecutors office's decision on whether or not the charge Pugh boiled down to what happened at the K&G Suit Warehouse in Madison Heights. He had just taken the young man shopping and, when they got into a car, that's where and when Pugh crossed the line.

"In the car he stated that he placed his hand on his thigh and that he immediately rebuffed the advance and, after it was rebuffed, there was no further action," Paul Walton from the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office.

But the text messages kept coming.

In one, Pugh told the student: "I wanna see your body. Front and back. So the video has to show everything. lol. #EVERYTHING."

In another, he wrote: "Dude, your body is f****** AMAZING. I just wanna give u more money to watch u walk around naked. lol."

As for the exchange of text messages and compensation for nude videos, Oakland County says all of that took place in Detroit and, more importantly, the student was 18 years old when it all happened.

Question is - was that by design? The young man met Charles Pugh at the Frederick Douglass Academy in Detroit where Pugh ran his mentoring program. The student was only 17 years old when they met and that's leading many to believe that Pugh was grooming him.

In another text message Pugh told the student: "Truth is: I've had a crush on u all year!! I just couldn't say or do anything about it until now." According to the case report, he even offered to perform oral sex on the teenager. According to police, a former City Council staff member claims she heard Pugh bragging he could sleep with any kid he mentored by giving them cash. It's all painting an unflattering picture of Detroit's native son who became a fan favorite over the airwaves and whose popularity helped put him in City Hall.

It's unclear if the case report will be sent to the Wayne County's Prosecutor's Office, but Pugh will not face any charges in Oakland County.

Read more: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24234980/more-trouble-for-charles-pugh-racy-text-messages-emerge#ixzz2nqicpdXO

Pugh resigned from the council when this story first broke and he doesn't live in Detroit any more.  It doesn't sound like he did anything illegal; but that doesn't mean we can't be amused by the story.   :)
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Post by: Capetan Mihali on December 18, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Dunno about Michigan specifically, but some states have that raise the age of consent when the older party is in a position of authority over the younger one.

E.g. Vermont has a 16 y.o. age of consent that is elevated 18 when it's with a parental figure, teacher, probably coach or therapist too.
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Post by: Barrister on December 18, 2013, 01:29:44 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 18, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Dunno about Michigan specifically, but some states have that raise the age of consent when the older party is in a position of authority over the younger one.

E.g. Vermont has a 16 y.o. age of consent that is elevated 18 when it's with a parental figure, teacher, probably coach or therapist too.

Same in Canada.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 18, 2013, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 18, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Dunno about Michigan specifically, but some states have that raise the age of consent when the older party is in a position of authority over the younger one.

E.g. Vermont has a 16 y.o. age of consent that is elevated 18 when it's with a parental figure, teacher, probably coach or therapist too.

It doesn't sound like they had sex.  Pugh did proposition him (and had him make nudie videos.)
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Post by: Savonarola on December 21, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
I'm back in the 313 for the Holidays.  CB and I used to go to Detroit's Farmers Market, Eastern Market, and then to breakfast at a local diner called "The Fly Trap" every Friday.  We did that today.  Eastern Market has really taken off; this time of year it used to be half empty and most of the people there were either farmers selling the very end of the season produce, farmers from the greenhouses in Leamington, Ontario, butchers, and people selling Christmas trees and poinsettias.  Today the farmers are still there, but it's filled much more with specialty producers selling astronomically-priced foods to appeal to locavores, vegans and what-have-you.  It was packed too, and the homeless were nowhere to be seen (nothing short of a miracle in Detroit.)  I miss the old Eastern Market, it was the real Detroit, but today it's an incredible boost for the city.   :)

The Fly Trap was featured on the "Dives and Diners" show on the cooking channels.  Now the food is more expensive, the portions are smaller, and the restaurant is filled with 20 somethings who spend the entire meal on their smart phones.   <_<

You can't go back home.   :(
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Post by: Admiral Yi on December 21, 2013, 07:30:42 PM
Is this downtown revitalization or a suburb that has gone hipster?
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Post by: Savonarola on December 22, 2013, 08:13:51 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 21, 2013, 07:30:42 PM
Is this downtown revitalization or a suburb that has gone hipster?

Eastern Market is in the city; but outside the downtown area.  The Eastern Market corporation has put a lot of work into refurbishing the markets and generating more interest in the market.  Some of their new market is tied to downtown revitalization; a younger and more affluent population lives there now.

The Fly Trap is a suburban diner that has gone hipster; but I liked it before it was popular.  ;)
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Post by: Savonarola on January 09, 2014, 03:18:08 PM
A retrospective of the Detroit City Council's greatest hits (some involving a bat):

QuoteDid Detroit get another crazy council?


Nolan Finley

Few things have amused me over the years more than the antics of the Detroit City Council.

I was in council chambers in the early 1980s when the late Jack Kelley loudly interrupted a resolution ceremony for two Japanese businessmen. Kelley, deep in his cups, produced a Louisville Slugger and banged it ferociously on the table while ranting about the purchase of the baseball bat's manufacturer by a Japanese company. "You're buying up America!" Kelley screamed at the terrified businessmen with every crack of the bat.

During that same time, Kenny Cockrel Sr. and Clyde Cleveland got into a wrestling match outside their offices. Cockrel was a scrapper, but the much beefier Cleveland got the better of him. A few days later, Cockrel meekly seconded a motion made by Cleveland, advising his colleagues, "Don't mess with Clyde. He'll kick your ass."

Nobody does public corruption like Detroit. Recall Councilwoman Kay Everett, who just before her untimely death was accused by the feds of taking $150,000 from a city contractor. But all deals need a sweetener. In this case, it was the 17 pounds of sausage the contractor tossed in that tipped the scales for the councilwoman.

Everett also threatened to "go east side" on Sharon McPhail during an angry debate over a topless bar ordinance. The threat wasn't carried out, disappointing observers curious to see what "going east side" looked like.

McPhail was no slouch herself in the crazy department. She once accused former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick of rigging the electric massage pad she kept on her council chair to deliver shocks to her bottom. She didn't hold a grudge, though, later agreeing to be Kilpatrick's legal counsel.

No era was nuttier than the one that included Monica Conyers, Barbara Rose Collins and Martha Reeves. There was plenty of preaching, praying, shouting and singing at council meetings in those days — and name-calling too. I can't look at Ken Cockrel Jr. and not think "Shrek" — the insult an angry Conyers (who went to jail for corruption) threw at him during a meeting.

I feared the fun was over four years ago, when voters elected a council with a majority of competent adults. That council batted well above average until the very end, when President Charles Pugh up and disappeared after seeming to ignore former Louisiana Gov. Edwin Edwards' admonition not to be "caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy."

This week, a largely new council signaled a return to form. It elected as its president the longtime obstructionist Brenda Jones, and as its second-in-command George Cushingberry, a slick political operator who has had his snout in the public trough for nearly 40 years.

Cushingberry responded to a Detroit News editorial harshly criticizing the elections by advising the newspaper to "Go to hell." We can take it. What we can't take is the real likelihood that Cushingberry and crew will continue the Detroit City Council tradition of taking the city to hell.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140109/OPINION01/301090025#ixzz2pvyaqy52

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Post by: Savonarola on January 10, 2014, 10:13:10 AM
And almost as if by magic Nolan Finley's column from yesterday gets answered:

QuoteCushingberry says he did nothing wrong in Detroit traffic stop

George Hunter and Christine Ferretti

Detroit— Detroit police officials have launched an investigation into why a police supervisor decided not to arrest newly elected City Council President Pro Tem George Cushingberry Jr. after officers stopped him Tuesday night outside a northwest-side strip bar with, sources say, an open intoxicant and marijuana in his car.

Detroit Police Chief James Craig told The Detroit News the incident happened about 10 p.m. as Cushingberry drove near Livernois and Northfield.

A police source familiar with the investigation said the councilman was leaving Starvin Marvin's and almost hit police officers. Two sources confirmed that marijuana and an open intoxicant were found in Cushingberry's car.

"There was a legal stop made by a Detroit police officer, and a supervisor was contacted," Craig said. "A decision was made that warranted a review by this administration, and an internal complaint was opened against the supervisor. There was no arrest made; the decision was made by the supervisor to only issue a citation."

Cushingberry did not respond to multiple phone calls by The Detroit News seeking comment Thursday night. In an interview broadcast on WDIV-TV (Ch. 4) at 11 p.m. Thursday, he said he wasn't coming out of a strip club but a lounge on Livernois.

"I was coming out of the Penthouse Lounge, which is one of the places I've campaigned in all year," Cushingberry said.

Council member Saunteel Jenkins said if the allegations are true, they are unfortunate.

"After all that this city has gone through at this time in our history, it's more important than ever to have elected officials to serve with the utmost integrity," she said.

Because Cushingberry, 61, hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime, Craig would not comment on what officers found.

According to sources, the officers gave chase after almost being hit, but the councilman did not stop. Another squad car was called in to help with the chase.

The source said officers finally stopped Cushingberry's car and spotted the open alcohol container and smelled marijuana.

"When they finally stopped him, he took off again," the source said. "Then, he was stopped a second time and (Cushingberry) flashed his City Council ID card. There was another guy in the car who had a medical marijuana card, but it doesn't matter; you're not allowed to smoke in the car. A supervisor came over and put the kibosh on it, and issued a ticket for failure to signal. The officers did exactly what they were supposed to do."

Craig declined to go into details about the incident. The department released a statement late Thursday confirming the stop but did not add details.

"Because there was no arrest, I don't want to get into the nature of the stop," Craig said. "But because (Cushingberry) wasn't arrested, we're looking into all aspects of the investigation."

Craig said the officers who pulled over the councilman acted properly by legally stopping Cushingberry, and that they followed department protocol by immediately telling their supervisor about the incident.

"Whenever officers initiate an investigation involving a public official, they're required to notify a supervisor," Craig said. "The notification is also supposed to go to the chief's office, and we're also looking into why we weren't notified."

Cushingberry told WXYZ-TV (Ch. 7) in an interview aired at 11 p.m. Thursday that he and his friend had a drink at the Penthouse Lounge but there was "no way" he was legally drunk.

"I wasn't doing anything wrong," Cushingberry told WXYZ, adding there was no alcohol in his vehicle, only an old bottle from the week prior that had not yet been discarded. He said he was not given a sobriety test.

"I think it's because I've been shaking up so many things," he told the station. "I think it's a part of what I call driving while black syndrome amongst these white cops in Detroit who are picking on people with old cars."

Detroit-based political analyst Steve Hood said "it'll be bad," if the allegations are true, but they won't end Cushingberry's career.

"It's always damaging," Hood said. "Is it career ending? No."

On Monday, Detroit's council elected Cushingberry to act as its second in command. Cushingberry, a former state legislator and Wayne County commissioner, made waves this week for responding online to an unfavorable Detroit News editorial about him by typing "go to hell."

Shortly after being elected the council's pro tem Monday, Cushingberry told the media he and Council President Brenda Jones "made a deal" and were able to "put together a coalition" that secured his rank on the panel.

Cushingberry has also said Detroit has been "dysfunctional" over the last four years and touted plans to balance its the city's budget and improve the quality of life of its residents.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140110/METRO01/301090128#ixzz2q0YZ5UMd

Honey, I'm going to the strip club to listen to a campaign speech.
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Post by: Malthus on January 10, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Perhaps he was busy polling the electorate?
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Post by: Savonarola on January 21, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
QuoteOakland County's Patterson swipes at Detroit - again

The Detroit News
Patterson (Daniel Mears / The Detroit News)

Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson has never been shy about his views of Detroit, and his remarks in the New Yorker have sparked familiar ire.

In a feature titled "Drop Dead, Detroit!" due out Monday but available to subscribers earlier, Patterson gave a magazine reporter an extensive tour of Oakland County and offered his take, again, on Detroit.

"Anytime I talk about Detroit, it will not be positive," Patterson says. "Therefore, I'm called a Detroit basher. The truth hurts, you know? Tough (expletive)."

Patterson tells Paige Williams: "I used to say to my kids, 'First of all, there's no reason for you to go to Detroit. We've got restaurants out here.' They don't even have movie theatres in Detroit — not one." He went on: "I can't imagine finding something in Detroit that we don't have in spades here. Except for live sports. We don't have baseball, football. For that, fine — get in and get out. But park right next to the venue — spend the extra twenty or thirty bucks. And, before you go to Detroit, you get your gas out here. You do not, do not, under any circumstances, stop in Detroit at a gas station! That's just a call for a carjacking."

The article included an anecdote about Patterson speaking at a roast for an employee who moved to Kentucky. When the worker saw a bumper sticked that read "I miss Detroit," he "broke the window, stole the radio and left a note that said, 'I hope this cures your homesickness,'" the article quoted Patterson as saying.

Williams asked Patterson what Detroit could do to fix its financial problem.

"I made a prediction a long time ago, and it's come to pass. I said, 'What we're gonna do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and corn."

The remarks drew criticism from a community activist. The Rev. Charles Williams II, president of the Michigan chapter of the National Action Network, called for a public apology from Patterson and a meeting with L. Brooks Patterson, the American Indian community and local Detroiters.

"These remarks are repulsive and racist," Williams said in a statement. "Not just because the city of Detroit is over 80 percent African-American, but because it is also a direct slight to the American Indian who occupied the land before Detroit was Detroit and Oakland County was Oakland County."

Bill Mullan, spokesman for Oakland County, said the story about Patterson "cast him in a false light."

"It is clear Paige Williams had an agenda when she interviewed County Executive Patterson," Mullan said in a statement. "She cast him in a false light in order to fit her preconceived and outdated notions about the region. Mr. Patterson's record on advancing regional issues in a transparent and responsible manner is unparalleled. His initiatives have had a positive impact on the region such as Automation Alley, CLEMIS, and his leadership on the Cobo Authority."

Patterson, known for his blunt remarks, over the years has weighed in on issues facing Detroit, including former Kwame Kilpatrick's downfall — "This is the end of a long Greek tragedy" — threatened a rift in regional alliances over such issues as selling Detroit Institute of Arts paintings, where he "draws a line in the sand," millage payouts for the Detroit Zoo and the proposed creation of a Metro Detroit regional water authority over fears of higher water rates for county residents.

He tried to lure the auto show, going on now in a renovated Cobo Center in Detroit, to Novi. The center now is run by an authority consisting of members appointed by the governor, Detroit — and county executives from Wayne, Oakland and Macomb.

Mayor Mike Duggan, through his spokesman, declined to comment late Monday on Patterson's remarks. Duggan met with Paige Williams and Patterson for a portion of the magazine interview.

Bill Nowling, spokesman for Detroit's Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, and some members of the Detroit City Council didn't immediately return requests for comments.

Haven't the Native Americans suffered enough?   :(
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 21, 2014, 12:05:17 PM
I guess that Family Guy joke about giving up and handing it back to the Indians was closer than we thought.
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Post by: Ed Anger on January 21, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
Raciss
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Post by: Jacob on January 21, 2014, 07:53:46 PM
Why does some dude in Oakland have such strong views on Detroit? And why would anyone care what he says?
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Post by: garbon on January 21, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 21, 2014, 07:53:46 PM
Why does some dude in Oakland have such strong views on Detroit? And why would anyone care what he says?

For the first question, that's because his county is in the vicinity of Detroit. :huh:
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Post by: Jacob on January 21, 2014, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 21, 2014, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 21, 2014, 07:53:46 PM
Why does some dude in Oakland have such strong views on Detroit? And why would anyone care what he says?

For the first question, that's because his county is in the vicinity of Detroit. :huh:

Ah... I see. Not Oakland in California. Oakland County, next to Detroit. That makes more sense. Thanks :hug:
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Post by: Alcibiades on January 21, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
Just read up on Kwame's wiki page, truly unbelievable the amount of corruption he was able to, for the most part, get away with for so long.  And the city council too.  :face:
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Post by: Savonarola on January 28, 2014, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 21, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
Just read up on Kwame's wiki page, truly unbelievable the amount of corruption he was able to, for the most part, get away with for so long.  And the city council too.  :face:

The Mayor of Detroit is the chief thief and everyone works for him.  It's the Detroit way.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 28, 2014, 02:51:08 PM
In any event here how Detroit has fared in the State of the Union over the years:

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Post by: garbon on January 28, 2014, 02:53:45 PM
:hmm:

The non-smiling presidents look a bit more presidential.

Well maybe not McKinley who looks like a creeper.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on January 28, 2014, 03:23:13 PM
Nothing says "gravitas" like a powdered wig. /bb
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Post by: The Brain on January 28, 2014, 04:05:56 PM
Great head of hair on Ronald. :wub:
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Post by: derspiess on January 28, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
If Taft didn't say anything about it, it's not worth mentioning.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 28, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
You never hear the Presidents talk about commissioning ships anymore.  :(
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Post by: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2014, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2014, 02:53:45 PM
:hmm:

The non-smiling presidents look a bit more presidential.

Well maybe not McKinley who looks like a creeper.

Cleveland's portrait always looks like someone's father, ready to yell at them for fucking around with the remote, leave it on a channel already.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 29, 2014, 05:38:27 PM
Kwame's mother has set up a web site to raise money for her son:  http://www.freedomjusticetrust.com/ (http://www.freedomjusticetrust.com/)

Sent to prison by a federal court for a crime he didn't commit...

QuoteLatest Updates

As Kwame Kilpatrick continues unjustly to sit behind bars awaiting his pending sentencing, check this page to find the latest updates, including interviews, and developments surrounding the trial.

October 22, 2013

                                                                                 28 YEARS...



28 years, as the judge struck the gavel without blinking, sending Kwame Malik Kilpatrick to federal prison in what is said to be the harshest so-called public corruption conviction in the history of the United States of America.
That's right, with the sentence that Kwame Kilpartrick was given, the courts have sent a message that Kwame Kilpatrick is the most corrupt politician in the history of the United States of America.

Many have come out and stated since the sentencing that they honestly did not believe he would receive as much time as he did. People have publicly stated that the punishment is cruel and unusual based on the supposed crime. Even those who have opposed Kilpatrick and believed him to be guilty have admitted that the time he received was "outrageous".

Outrageous is a great adjective to describe the sentencing of Kwame Malik Kilpatrick. Other words also come to mind such as loathsome, vile, sickening, wicked, abominable, foul, and any other descriptive phrase that you may think of to describe the sentencing.

The outrage of the 28 year prison sentence is but one piece of the puzzle. The 28 year prison sentence, the harshest in the history of the United States of Americas, is a culmination of a meticulously crafted series of events to erase Kilpatrick's accomplishments from the history books, lay blame on Kilpatrick for every shortcoming the city has faced over the past 50 years, and ultimately to take Detroit.

On October 21, 2013 TV One ran a special Celebrity Crime Files on Kwame Malik Kilpatrick. One of the individuals interviewed, a Detroit local newspaper reporter who perpetuated the rumor of a Manoogian Mansion party and Mr. Kilpatrick's involvement with the death of a stripper, admitted on national television that the party never happened, and that people just "believed it".  They ran with this LIE daily for eight unrelenting years, and now that Kwame Kilpatrick is behind bars, their own hubris allows them to appear on national television and admit that they assassinated a man's character and fear no consequence for their actions.

Kwame Malik Kilpatrick is NOT GUILTY of the crimes that he was convicted. His right to a fair trial was trampled upon.  Kwame Kilpatrick continues to fight for his freedom from behind bars.  He asks that you not believe what the media tells you, or even what he tells you, but he asks to think critically and seek the TRUTH.
In light of the unprecedented 28 year prison sentence, the Freedom and Justice Trust asks that you donate $28 today to help Kwame Malik Kilpatrick realize his fight for freedom and justice.

The United States of Americas?  :unsure: 


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Post by: KRonn on January 30, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
Seems he got a penalty equal to the corruption crimes he committed. I'm mainly surprised that this is being touted as so harsh, when political corruption should be treated very seriously anyway.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 30, 2014, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: KRonn on January 30, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
Seems he got a penalty equal to the corruption crimes he committed. I'm mainly surprised that this is being touted as so harsh, when political corruption should be treated very seriously anyway.

It's a fund organized by his Mom, I'm sure she'd think any punishment was too harsh.   ;)

This wasn't Kwame's first offense; he had already been convicted of three felonies.  I think that's part of the reason why this sentence is so much more harsh than, say, Blagojevich's.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on January 30, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 30, 2014, 11:18:45 AM
This wasn't Kwame's first offense; he had already been convicted of three felonies.  I think that's part of the reason why this sentence is so much more harsh than, say, Blagojevich's.

Nah, it's because he's black.  :mad:
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Post by: Savonarola on February 06, 2014, 03:09:49 PM
Meanwhile in northern Michigan:

QuoteGroup of Michigan superheroes fractured by crime-fighting feud

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Mark Williams, aka Batman, and girlfriend Brittany Scott, as Batgirl, walk the snowy streets of Petosky last month near their apartment. (John L. Russell / Special to The Detroit News)

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140206/METRO06/302060033#ixzz2sZffv4GA


East Jordan— Petoskey Batman and Bee Sting were as thick as thieves, getting baptized together in the Jordan River — in northern Michigan.



Now they're archenemies.

The two men, part of a Michigan group that fights crime while dressed as superheroes, accuse each other of all manner of villainy.

It includes purported death threats and allegations of welfare fraud, probation violations and misuse of money from a fundraiser for the homeless.

Holy dirty laundry, Batman!

Their spat over leadership of the Michigan Protectors has split the dozen-member group into two parts.

"He is an abusive, neglectful, thieving, boastful, cowardly crook," said Mark Williams, alias Petoskey Batman. "He belongs in jail and I will see him there."

Adam Besso, aka Bee Sting, said Williams is obsessed.

"He has to tear others down to feel better about himself," Besso said. "He's like Lord of the Flies with a slightly better version of dirt bags."

After the leadership argument, things escalated when Besso criticized Williams for having two girlfriends. Williams told Besso's pregnant fiancée and mother of his two children Besso had cheated on her.

Fiancee Mandy Wilson was so angry she began spilling her own secrets about Besso. "He's a pig," she said about Besso.

Others say the dysfunctional duo need a time-out.

"This all baffles me," said Matt Gannaway of Shelby Township, an acquaintance of Besso.

"I can look at any junior high- or high school-aged kid's Facebook profile and read the same conversation."

Williams and Besso became friends after Williams got into trouble with the law in 2011.

Williams, 34, a part-time landscaper from Harbor Springs, was patrolling downtown Petoskey as Batman when a bunch of drunks chased him to the roof of a hardware store.

Police discovered him hanging from the ledge of the building and charged him with disturbing the peace.

The arrest made headlines around the state and Besso, 37, a factory inspector, invited Williams to a superhero patrol in Flint.

A year later Besso had his own legal troubles.

Armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, he was patrolling a Burton trailer park when he got into an argument with a resident revving his motorcycle after midnight. The two wrestled for control of the weapon, which discharged as they fell to the ground.

No one was injured.

Besso, who said he is a twice-divorced Iraq war veteran who receives counseling for anger issues, served 102 days in jail for attempted assault, according to court records.

He was criticized by other costumed crime fighters in Michigan and the rest of the country for bringing a gun on patrol.

One of the only people who defended him was Williams.

"We were brothers," Williams said. "I loved him as much as I love my own blood family."

When Besso got out of jail in 2012, he rejuvenated the dormant Michigan Protectors and became the de facto leader. But members of the team chafed under his guidance, saying Besso rarely consulted them and didn't like being second-guessed.

Several members wanted the more easygoing Williams to be co-leader but, when he approached Besso with the idea in October, Besso blew up.

Several weeks later, Williams announced to the group he had two girlfriends and hoped to bring them to a group dinner on Thanksgiving.

When Besso criticized Williams for having two girlfriends, Williams said Besso was a hypocrite because he had cheated on his fiancee.

Williams once meekly followed Besso. Now he says he wants to destroy him.

"It drives me insane," Williams said. "I will scream from the rooftops until Bee Sting is shown for what he truly is."

Wilson, Besso's fiancée, told Williams Besso is driving with a suspended license.

Besso confirmed his license has been suspended since his arrest in 2012. He said he can't afford the $850 cost of reinstatement and other fees, but needs to drive to keep his job.

He said his probation officer was aware of his driving, but a Department of Corrections official said it's a violation of his probation for the 2012 assault.

Wilson also told Williams that Besso used Wilson's social benefits card to buy food for the homeless. Besso confirmed he used the card for the homeless three or four times, spending $30 to $40 each time, along with $65 for the Detroit barbecue.

But a Department of Human Services official said only the cardholder is allowed to use the card and the food can't go to a third party.

Wilson said she wishes her fiancé would give up his superhero work.

"The whole superhero fascination has always eluded me," she said. "I think it's a whole mentality where he wants to be involved with something bigger than himself."

In October, Besso raised $671 in an online fundraiser for a Michigan Protectors' trip to Columbia, S.C., to protest the city's decision to outlaw homelessness.

Failing to get financing for a vehicle to transport the group, he postponed the trip and used $115 of the money for a trip to help the homeless in western Michigan in December.

He said group members and donors supported it, but several said they were never consulted.

"Adam is out of control," said Ellen Eberhardt, a donor and former group member from Flint.

In December Williams wrote on Facebook Besso didn't buy his children anything for Christmas but had bought presents for another woman's kids.

One of Williams' friends asked for Besso's address, saying she had friends who lived in his town.

"take him out back and shoot him," wrote Chandra Miller of Fort Myers, Fla.

Miller, contacted by a reporter, said she was serious about the threat but later changed her mind after talking with Besso.

It's sad that they don't realize this is exactly what the Joker wants them to do.   :(
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Post by: KRonn on February 07, 2014, 11:17:59 AM
Lol, the Joker strikes again!  :ph34r:
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on February 07, 2014, 06:28:43 PM
The Legion of Doom has succeeded.
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Post by: Savonarola on February 25, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
John Dingle not to seek re-election (http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS06/302240079/) 

This is a sad day for all of America; after Dingle leaves we'll have no signatories of the Treaty of Ghent left in congress.   :(
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Post by: Phillip V on February 25, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on February 25, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
John Dingle not to seek re-election (http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS06/302240079/) 

This is a sad day for all of America; after Dingle leaves we'll have no signatories of the Treaty of Ghent left in congress.   :(
His wife Debbie Dingell is running to succeed him.
John Dingell's father held his seat before he followed in his footsteps. If Debbie Dingell wins and spends nine terms in office, a Dingell will have held the seat for 100 years. :yeah:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/25/debbie-dingell-to-run-for-house-seat-being-vacated-by-john-dingell/

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Post by: Savonarola on March 04, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
Before the beginning of the automobile industry Detroit was known as the "Paris of the Midwest."  Today it's the Calcutta of the Midwest:

QuoteWayne Co. prosecutor details struggle to process rape kits

Detroit — Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy detailed for city officials Tuesday her ongoing effort to process more than 10,000 untested rape kits and discussed the challenges of running a "severely" underfunded and understaffed office.

Worthy appeared before Detroit's new City Council to familiarize members with her office's struggles and successes, including progress with the rape kits that were discovered in a Detroit Police storage facility in August 2009. So far, federal and state allocations — including several million dollars committed from the state last summer — have allowed the office to test about 1,600, she said.

Of those, a national DNA database has provided a match in about 50 percent of the cases, Worthy said. The kits will result in at least 3,000 prosecutable cases Worthy says and have enabled the prosecutor's office to identify almost 100 serial rapists who are linked to other sex crimes in nearly two dozen other jurisdictions.

Worthy has gained national attention for her pursuit of clearing the backlog of the cases, some of which date back 25 years and the statute of limitations has expired, so they couldn't be used at trial. But if the DNA evidence remains intact, Worthy said, it will be critical in matching serial rapists in Wayne County and across the country.

"We have over 100 people that have come to the city of Detroit, gotten away with rape and gone on to rape others," Worthy told the council. "Our rapists have gone to 21 other jurisdictions and raped again. It is not a Detroit-only problem. They have gone on to rape with impunity."

Worthy said it took nine months to sort through the kits and locate corresponding reports to create a database to prevent future cases from being lost. The problem, she said, was "not a Detroit problem," it's an international problem.

Each kit, Worthy added, cost about $1,200 to $1,500 to process. An overwhelming majority of the victims want to go forward to ensure their rape case is prosecuted, she said, adding the the process can last at least five years.

"It's not like television," Worthy told the council. " It doesn't take just a few seconds to test a rape kit for DNA. It's a very long process."

Worthy on Tuesday said Wayne County has not put a penny into prosecuting the cases, noting the latest deficit elimination plan ranks the kits as a "low priority."

The Wayne County Executive Office is looking to eliminate a $175 million cumulative deficit by next year. Part of the deficit elimination plan calls for a $1 million cost reduction by cutting "lower priority" and "non-funded operations" from the Prosecutor's Office. Proposed cuts include eliminating child care and removing county funding for investigations and prosecutions related to the sexual assault kits.

The Prosecutor's Office spent $34.1 million out of the general fund budget in fiscal year 2012, according to the executive office. Spending increased to $37.8 million from the general fund in 2013.

Worthy reiterated on Tuesday her frustration over staffing reductions.

"I have lost almost 90 staffers through budget cuts," Worthy said. "My office is half the size that it was, but we are expected to do the same work we've done before."

If Alex would have come from Detroit, "A Clockwork Orange" could have skipped all those depressing middle chapters.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 12, 2014, 10:53:20 AM
New mystery in Pontiac: How could mummified body vote in 2010? (http://www.freep.com/article/20140311/NEWS03/303110031/) 

Only the Detroit Free Press could find that inexplicable.   :rolleyes:  Obviously she suffers the curse of the mummy and is doomed to wander the earth every first Tuesday of November.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 04, 2014, 12:49:43 PM
QuoteDriver severely beaten by men after car hits boy who ran into Detroit street

Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

Detroit — A driver was clinging to life Wednesday after police said he struck an 11-year-old boy who stepped into the roadway and then was beaten by about a dozen people who gathered at the scene.

Detroit police Sgt. Michael Woody said the driver, a man believed to be about 54, hit the child on Morang around 4:10 p.m. and then left his vehicle to check on the boy.

Woody said that's when a group of about 12 men from the neighborhood who had gathered after the accident began to beat him.

"The male driver is now in critical condition and is still hanging on to his life," Woody said.

Woody said the driver was "absolutely not responsible."

"It caused some pretty major injuries," Woody said, adding those involved in the attack fled.

Both the boy and the driver were transported to St. John Hospital in Detroit. The boy was being treated for a broken leg and was expected to recover. The male driver remains listed in critical condition, Woody said.

A police investigation is ongoing, Woody said.

"We are asking anyone with information about who any of the 10 to 12 people might be to give us a call," Woody said.

Police are asking witnesses or others with details about the incident to call (313) 596-1616.

The apparent case of vigilante justice comes after a group of men last July on the city's southwest side attacked a man with a baseball bat as he walked on Vernor Highway. The man was believed to be responsible for the rape of a 15-year-old girl with Down syndrome.

In that case, a 43-year-old man, who also to suffers from a mental disability, was accused of luring the girl into his apartment and sexually assaulting her.

The incident enraged residents, who spray-painted the word "Rapist" on the building where the suspect lived and distributed his picture throughout the community.

Several weeks after the assault, a group of men, one wielding a baseball bat, beat the man as he walked down Vernor Highway.

The driver remains in a coma.  The child was okay, he didn't even have any broken bones.  The crowd also robbed the driver after they beat him. 
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Post by: Savonarola on April 04, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
The story above is shocking; even in a city as violent as Detroit mob justice is very rare.  Far less surprising is the following:

QuoteFeds probe vote for Detroit City Council leadership

Detroit — Federal law enforcement officials have subpoenaed the Rev. Horace Sheffield to find out what he knows about rumors that someone tried to pay Detroit City Council members to influence the outcome of the vote for the council presidency, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

The public corruption investigation, apparently in its early stages, was triggered by a conversation at an Eastern Market bar approximately five weeks ago involving Detroit Police Chief James Craig; political consultant Adolph Mongo; and Sheffield. Sheffield is a prominent Detroit pastor, the father of Detroit Councilwoman Mary Sheffield and a congressional challenger to U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit.

The men allegedly discussed rumors that someone was trying to buy the votes of City Council members.

Within days, Horace Sheffield said the FBI showed up at his home and said he had his lawyer contact the bureau. Since then, at least one subpoena was issued for Horace Sheffield to testify in front of a federal grand jury April 24, his lawyer said. The federal prosecutor on the case is Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Bullotta, one of the lead prosecutors in the Kwame Kilpatrick corruption trial, Sheffield's lawyer Michael Cafferty told The News.

The FBI repeatedly has said Horace Sheffield is a witness and not a target of the investigation, Cafferty said. The FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office declined comment.

In February, the new Detroit police chief had a casual conversation at Cutter's Bar & Grill in Eastern Market with Mongo and Sheffield.

During the conversation, someone brought up rumors about "somebody, who previously was involved with Kwame Kilpatrick, offering bribes" to influence the vote for City Council president, Cafferty said. "The reverend said he'd heard rumors like that, too, and that he would talk to his daughter and make sure she was on high alert about any (thing) like that."

"I had concerns that my daughter be careful if anyone offers her anything — that she acknowledge it, report it and not let someone else report it," Horace Sheffield told The News. "She has integrity."

The investigation comes at a time when the City Council has been stripped of most of its powers, which have been delegated to Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, and as the bankrupt city recovers from a years-long racketeering case involving Kilpatrick. Orr's spokesman, Bill Nowling, declined comment.

"This is unfortunate that we have to hear rumors about wrongdoing when we just went through hell for the last five or six years," Mongo said. "People don't want to go through no more investigations and no more trials. People are sick of hearing about this kind of stuff."

Craig, the Detroit police chief, could not be reached for comment.

Mary Sheffield told The News that she was not approached by anyone attempting to buy her vote.

"Nothing illegal happened. I was never bribed. I was never offered anything," Mary Sheffield said. "In regards to me, that did not happen. It's not true."

In a tight race in January, the council voted 5-4 to elect Brenda Jones as its president over former president Saunteel Jenkins. The panel, by the same margin, elected George Cushingberry Jr. as president pro tem.

A spokesman for Jones said she was unavailable Wednesday night for comment.

Jenkins said she had no knowledge of the investigation. The second-term councilwoman said she has not been approached by the FBI.

"From my perspective, this is ridiculous," Jenkins said. "This is not something I would ever be involved in and it is not something anybody I'm close to has ever had any conversation with me about."

Jenkins, returning council members Andre Spivey and James Tate, and new member Raquel Castaneda-Lopez voted to have Jenkins and Spivey lead the council. Jones, Cushingberry and new members Gabe Leland, Scott Benson and Mary Sheffield voted for Jones and Cushingberry.

Jenkins previously was elected to serve as the council president in July after its president, Charles Pugh, went AWOL and pro tem Gary Brown took a job on Orr's restructuring team.

Leland told The News that no efforts were made to sway his vote.

"That's news to me," he said of the claims. "I've heard nothing about that."


If only the FBI wouldn't investigate public corruption all would be right in Detroit.   :)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 04, 2014, 01:02:10 PM
All I need to know about Detroit is that you prefer to live in Florida.  I knew Detroit was bad but to drive somebody to move to Florida it must truly be hell on earth.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Malthus on April 04, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2014, 01:02:10 PM
All I need to know about Detroit is that you prefer to live in Florida.  I knew Detroit was bad but to drive somebody to move to Florida it must truly be hell on earth.

... unless that person was positively drawn to dysfunction.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 05, 2014, 04:51:24 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2014, 01:02:10 PM
All I need to know about Detroit is that you prefer to live in Florida.  I knew Detroit was bad but to drive somebody to move to Florida it must truly be hell on earth.

... unless that person was positively drawn to dysfunction.  :hmm:

That doesn't seem likely; I'm a regular poster on Languish.   :)
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Post by: Eddie Teach on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2014, 01:02:10 PM
All I need to know about Detroit is that you prefer to live in Florida.  I knew Detroit was bad but to drive somebody to move to Florida it must truly be hell on earth.

:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.

True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 05, 2014, 04:51:24 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2014, 01:02:10 PM
All I need to know about Detroit is that you prefer to live in Florida.  I knew Detroit was bad but to drive somebody to move to Florida it must truly be hell on earth.

... unless that person was positively drawn to dysfunction.  :hmm:

That doesn't seem likely; I'm a regular poster on Languish.   :)

Indeed.  That cannot be it.  It must be because CB was getting tired of Michigan State never coming through and decided to become a Florida State fan.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Ed Anger on April 06, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.

True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.

I'm coming to impregnate your women. White women.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 06, 2014, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.

You'd never have to worry about me, man. Fuck that Texas shit.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: katmai on April 06, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.

True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.
You ass hats didn't listen when we said that in 1820's, but NOOOOOO
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Post by: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2014, 10:02:11 PMYou ass hats didn't listen when we said that in 1820's, but NOOOOOO

Dude there were like 5,000 of you.
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Post by: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 06, 2014, 10:01:58 PM
You'd never have to worry about me, man. Fuck that Texas shit.

Good man.
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Post by: Ed Anger on April 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2014, 10:02:11 PMYou ass hats didn't listen when we said that in 1820's, but NOOOOOO

Dude there were like 5,000 of you.

If Katmai sized, counts as 25,000.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: katmai on April 06, 2014, 10:10:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2014, 10:02:11 PMYou ass hats didn't listen when we said that in 1820's, but NOOOOOO

Dude there were like 5,000 of you.

If Katmai sized, counts as 25,000.
:pinch:
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Post by: CountDeMoney on April 06, 2014, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 06, 2014, 10:01:58 PM
You'd never have to worry about me, man. Fuck that Texas shit.

Good man.

Heat, tornados, hurricanes, Republicans. Oh, hells no.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 07, 2014, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.

True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.

Yet one can drive three hours without seeing a motel.
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Post by: KRonn on April 07, 2014, 07:11:34 AM
Texas sounds like a great place for me to retire to in a couple of years!  Thanks for the invite Valmy!  ;)
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Syt on April 07, 2014, 07:18:07 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 05, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
:yes: Almost as bad as Texas.

True. It is horrible here.  EVERYBODY STOP MOVING HERE.

Seriously fuck off we are full.

Texas is one of the states my middle sister and her husband are considering moving to (together with Kansas, Missouri and Kentucky). :P
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Post by: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 07:58:15 AM
Quote from: Syt on April 07, 2014, 07:18:07 AM
Texas is one of the states my middle sister and her husband are considering moving to (together with Kansas, Missouri and Kentucky). :P

And I cannot tell you what an honor it is to be on a list with Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky.
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Post by: Syt on April 07, 2014, 08:11:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 07:58:15 AM
Quote from: Syt on April 07, 2014, 07:18:07 AM
Texas is one of the states my middle sister and her husband are considering moving to (together with Kansas, Missouri and Kentucky). :P

And I cannot tell you what an honor it is to be on a list with Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky.

:lol:

Texas for the lack of income tax. The others for the low cost of living. I recommended them the Dakotas, based on this list: http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/the-8-least-expensive-states-to-live-in-the-u-s.html/?a=viewall

But they don't like winters much.
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Post by: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 07, 2014, 07:11:34 AM
Texas sounds like a great place for me to retire to in a couple of years!  Thanks for the invite Valmy!  ;)

I hear Arizona is lovely.  The allergies in Texas are horrible and we have a wet humid sort of heat.  Wouldn't you prefer a dry allergy free heat?  They have insane Republicans there to.
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Post by: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 08:23:41 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 07, 2014, 01:38:06 AM
Yet one can drive three hours without seeing a motel.

Or humans...or anything for that matter.  I take it back if anybody wants to move to the West Texas desert they have my blessing.
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Post by: PDH on April 07, 2014, 09:04:38 AM
Fuck moving to Texas.  120 degress and humid as a fat man's balls.  And that was in September when it should be highs of 70s with the nights in the 50s.
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Post by: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 07, 2014, 09:04:38 AM
Fuck moving to Texas.  120 degress and humid as a fat man's balls.  And that was in September when it should be highs of 70s with the nights in the 50s.

There is a reason why nobody lived here prior to AC being introduced in the 60s...or why we are all fat from never going outside.
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Post by: KRonn on April 07, 2014, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2014, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 07, 2014, 07:11:34 AM
Texas sounds like a great place for me to retire to in a couple of years!  Thanks for the invite Valmy!  ;)

I hear Arizona is lovely.  The allergies in Texas are horrible and we have a wet humid sort of heat.  Wouldn't you prefer a dry allergy free heat?  They have insane Republicans there to.
Yeah, I have friends in Arizona and while it's hotter it isn't that humid heat that I hate for the short times we get it up here. So Arizona could get my nod, maybe Southern California for the weather. I don't mind the cold weather, but it gets pretty limiting in winter, not getting out so much, gets dark so early, etc.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on April 07, 2014, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 07, 2014, 09:04:38 AM
Fuck moving to Texas.  120 degress and humid as a fat man's balls.  And that was in September when it should be highs of 70s with the nights in the 50s.

Yeah, piss on that.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2014, 05:03:16 AM
Even the old ladies in Detroit are hardcore, Grandma was shot four times and still manage to shoot both of her attackers!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/08/detroit-thugs-shoot-grandma-three-times-seconds-later-they-learn-why-her-nickname-is-now-rambo/

QuoteDetroit Thugs Shoot Grandma Three Times – Seconds Later, They Learn Why Her Nickname Is Now 'Rambo'
May. 8, 2014 4:57pm Jason Howerton

A pair of Detroit thugs obviously had no idea who they were messing with when they targeted Paris Ainsworth, a 51-year-old grandma who carries a .45 caliber handgun. There's a reason her siblings now jokingly refer to her as "Rambo."

Ainsworth had just arrived home after working a grueling double shift on Saturday night when she noticed two men moving closer to her as she was preparing to exit her car. Sensing possible danger, she pulled out her .45 caliber handgun and put it in her pocket. She got her concealed carry permit about two years ago.

As it turned out, Ainsworth's gut feeling about the men was correct.

One of the men reportedly told her, "Don't pull it," and then started shooting. Ainsworth was reportedly shot three times in the side and once in the hand. The woman then pulled her .45 and started blasting away at the violent thugs.

"I said, 'You mother (expletive),' and pulled out (my gun) and started shooting," she told WDIV-TV.

Both of her attackers were later arrested after they checked in at Sinai-Grace Hospital to receive treatment for gunshot wounds. One of the men was reportedly shot in both of his legs.

Ainsworth, who was also attacked by an armed mugger roughly a decade ago, knows the too well the importance of being able to defend yourself. The grandmother of four owns two handguns and trains with them on a regular basis.

"If I wouldn't have had my gun, I would be dead today," she said, adding that the man who shot her "just had the devil in him."
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Post by: Phillip V on May 10, 2014, 12:31:24 AM
More grandmas need to be armed. I bet society would be better with guns in the hands of old women instead of young men.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2014, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 10, 2014, 12:31:24 AM
More grandmas need to be armed. I bet society would be better with guns in the hands of old women instead of young men.

Nice to see that some jurisdictions want to prohibit officers from returning fire when it's a grandma.

QuoteHEARNE, Texas (AP) — Officials in a small Central Texas town have decided to fire a police officer who shot and killed an armed 93-year-old woman during a confrontation at her home.

The city council unanimously voted Saturday to fire Officer Stephen Stem, who shot and killed Pearlie Golden on Tuesday, KBTX-TV reports. The vote took less than 30 minutes.

Hearne Mayor Ruben Gomez had told demonstrators he would recommend Stem's dismissal.  Texas Rangers are investigating the shooting.

Golden's nephew, Roy Jones, told KBTX-TV on Friday that his aunt became upset when she was denied a driver's license renewal, and she armed herself.

Jones says he called 911 and his aunt fired two shots before the officer shot her.

Stem's attorney has said his client's actions were justified.

I'm so glad I got out of that racket.  Fuck society, you all get what you fucking deserve.
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Post by: Savonarola on May 12, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
When Shriners go bad:

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QuoteJudge outraged after drug dealers disappear before guilty verdicts

By Robert Snell The Detroit News
Federal agents launched a hunt for three fez-wearing drug dealers who disappeared Monday afternoon before a jury returned guilty verdicts in one of the biggest drug cases in Metro Detroit history. Drug kingpin Carlos Powell of Macomb County, his brother Eric Powell and friend Earnest Proge, who were free on bond, failed to appear as ordered before the jury returned its verdict at approximately 1 p.m.

Reportedly they sped off in miniature cars.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on May 12, 2014, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 12, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
Reportedly they sped off in miniature cars.

Link?  :P
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Post by: Savonarola on May 12, 2014, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 12, 2014, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 12, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
Reportedly they sped off in miniature cars.

Link?  :P

Shocking photo of their escape, with an unknown accomplice:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shrinerminicars.com%2Fimages%2FS5000416.JPG&hash=26590bc1722ffd4ce782e9e7bf6028a3f09e570d)
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Post by: CountDeMoney on May 12, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on May 12, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
Reportedly they sped off in miniature cars.

With 22" rims.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 18, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
And in the northern suburbs:

QuoteAuthorities: Southfield woman shoots lover after accusing him of bad sex, cheating

Southfield — He was low on ammo. She wasn't.

A Southfield woman convicted in April of shooting her married lover because he didn't ejaculate enough after coitus has been released from jail pending an appeal of her 10 year sentence.

According to the Oakland County Jail, Sadie Bell was released on Thursday after posting a $10,000 cash/surety bond pending an appeal of her sentence.

The bond was set by Circuit Judge Phyllis McMillen on Wednesday.

Bell, 58, was sentenced on June 26 after being convicted of intent to do great bodily harm, plus felony firearm, after she wounded Edward Lee, her married boyfriend of 15 years.

According to the Southfield Police Department, officers were called to an apartment complex in the 20000 block of Wakefield shortly after 5 p.m. on July 28, 2013 on a report of a domestic dispute. There they found Bell and Lee.

"She was cooperative and we recovered a Smith & Wesson semi-automatic handgun," Deputy Chief Nick Louissa said.

In a later statement, Bell said she was upset by Lee's poor performance. She also accused him of cheating on her after noting that he hadn't produced much ejaculate after their tryst.

"She was pretty graphic about why she had shot him," Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Paul Walton said. "She was convinced he was having an affair. She reached this conclusion by the fact that he didn't produce enough ejaculate. So she shot him in the stomach."

Lee, 60, spent five weeks in the hospital and underwent major surgeries for damage to his pancreas, colon, liver and kidney.

According to Walton, the granting of the bond was highly unusual in this type of case.

"She appealed to the district court for an appeal bond," Walton said. "We have a state court ruling that says that after a conviction for an offense, especially a violent offense, the court shall remand that person into custody while they await sentencing. Our position is that she had already received her sentence, she wasn't awaiting."

This isn't the first time Bell has picked up a weapon.

"In 1991, she shot her husband," Walton said. "A report was taken but the husband refused to cooperate so there was no prosecution. But she clearly has a demonstrated history of violence."

The prosecutor's office has filed an appeal with McMillen.

"If she grants it, then it's done," Walton said. "If not, we'll move up to the Court of Appeals."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140718/METRO02/307180056#ixzz37psMF0ug

The woman in question

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Notice how her eyes seem to follow you wherever you go.  :o
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Post by: Syt on July 18, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
Thulsa Doom?
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Post by: Malthus on July 18, 2014, 04:59:21 PM
She has the "Innsmouth Look".
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Post by: Phillip V on July 18, 2014, 05:34:14 PM
Be careful who you fuck with! :o
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Post by: garbon on July 18, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 18, 2014, 05:34:14 PM
Be careful who you fuck with! :o

Fixed
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Post by: Ancient Demon on July 18, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
Looking like that, she should be grateful he ejaculated at all.
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Post by: Phillip V on July 20, 2014, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Ancient Demon on July 18, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
Looking like that, she should be grateful he ejaculated at all.
Test yourself.
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Post by: DGuller on July 20, 2014, 03:34:14 PM
You'd think that after 15 years, the guy would be allowed to have an off night.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 18, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
Thulsa Doom?

:lol:
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Post by: Admiral Yi on July 25, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Heard on NPR that some Canadians are bringing water across the border to distribute to Detroiters who's water has been shut off.  :uffda:
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Post by: Valmy on July 25, 2014, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 25, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Heard on NPR that some Canadians are bringing water across the border to distribute to Detroiters who's water has been shut off.  :uffda:

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I'll save you again don't worry Detroit
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Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 25, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 25, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Heard on NPR that some Canadians are bringing water across the border to distribute to Detroiters who's water has been shut off.  :uffda:
That'll stop once enough of them have been shot.  Detroit is in Mad Max times.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 12, 2014, 06:14:21 PM
QuoteDetroit Historic Flooding: Major Interstates May Be Closed For Days After Historic Rainfall Event; Two Dead

Two women died and thousands of motorists were caught on flooded freeways and streets Monday as Detroit and its suburbs were inundated with record-shattering rainfall during the afternoon rush. Parts of at least five major freeways remained closed at noon Tuesday, some 16 hours after the deluge ended, and officials said some roads may not reopen for days.

Police said a 100-year-old woman was found dead in her flooded basement Tuesday in the suburb of Warren, just north of Detroit, according to WDIV-TV.

The woman's daughter was concerned about her welfare and went to the home to check on her, said Warren Mayor James Fouts.

Fouts said the woman appears to have drowned. A cause of death was not immediately available, and Fouts did not release the woman's name.

On Monday, a 30-year-old Sterling Heights woman died when she went into cardiac arrest after her car became trapped in three and a half feet of floodwaters near the intersection of Van Dyke Road and Old 13 Mile Road, the Detroit Free Press reports.

Bystanders pulled her from her vehicle after seeing her suffer seizures and took her to a nearby business where she was picked up and taken to a hospital by firefighters. She had no vital signs at the scene and was pronounced dead at the hospital.

At least one other person was injured when their car was swept away by rising waters.

More showers and thunderstorms moved through southeastern Michigan Tuesday afternoon, bringing about a quarter of an inch of additional rainfall.

More than 1,000 cars were abandoned across the Detroit area overnight after dozens of high water rescues and evacuations for higher ground. Others opted to spend the night in their vehicles, trapped by floodwaters that submerged countless roads across the area.

Portions of the Ford Freeway (Interstate 94), the Chrysler Freeway (Interstate 75), Interstate 696, the Southfield Freeway, and the Lodge Freeway closed Monday evening and remained closed as of midday Tuesday as water was slow to recede from many below-grade sections, especially at underpasses.

Michigan State Police advised motorists to avoid all non-essential travel on metro Detroit freeways, according to the Detroit Free Press.

By Tuesday evening, some stretches of freeway appeared to be drying out while others remained flooded. Parts of I-75, I-696 and the Lodge Freeway were still closed.

Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) spokesperson Diane Cross told the Detroit Free Press that the pump infrastructure used to keep water off roads was "overwhelmed" from the deluge, which caused water to pool up on freeways in metro Detroit.

Cross told Crain's Business Detroit that valuable copper pipes had been stolen from several pumping stations, compromising their ability to remove water from the freeway system. MDOT did not discover the theft until now, Cross said.

The freeway closures may last for days, according to the Crain's Business Detroit report, as engineers inspect affected roads for safety.

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder said the state has "taken a dramatic series of actions," to clear roads and respond to flooding damage in the area. That included activating the State Emergency Operations Center to coordinate a joint state/local response to the flooding.

But MDOT said there is no estimate of when I-75 at I-696 in the northern suburbs would reopen, and recommended avoiding I-696 near and east of I-75 through Warren until further notice because as Lt. Michael Shaw told CBS Detroit, there was still "about 12 feet of water that's in the interchange."

Each flooded area needs to be cleaned and inspected before reopening, according to MDOT. That includes removing the hundreds of abandoned cars along the roadways. Warren, Michigan, mayor Jim Fouts told WWJ-TV that there were more than 1,000 cars left abandoned on the flooded roads in Warren alone.

"We've got a lot going on. It's not just the water on the roads. We can't clean up the roads, we've got to get the cars off the roads," MDOT Spokesperson Diane Cross told the Detroit Free Press.

Michigan State Police announced that they had sent dive teams to search cars for bodies at the bottom of inundated freeways, the Associated Press reports. Lt. Michael Shaw said that the divers were used as a precautionary measure and that no one had been reported missing in the deluge.

Large Area Affected by Flooding

A swath taking in the western and northern sides of Detroit proper and the adjacent western and northern suburbs appeared to be hardest hit. There were dozens, if not hundreds, of photos and videos posted to social media of flooded neighborhood streets and major thoroughfares.

Basements flooded in thousands of homes in metro Detroit, according to the Free Press.

Photos of flooded basements surfaced on social media from all over metro Detroit, including Detroit itself and the suburbs of Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, Highland Park, Hamtramck, Oak Park, Ferndale, Berkley and Rosedale. Basement flooding was also reported in Huntington Woods, according to the National Weather Service.

About 17,000 DTE Energy customers remained without electricity Tuesday afternoon, according to the utility's Facebook page. The company's website showed a concentrated cluster of outages in the suburb of Dearborn.

In Royal Oak, the Detroit Zoo was closed Tuesday after heavy rains and flooding damaged facilities and equipment, including the Arctic Ring of Life exhibit that houses polar bears, seals and arctic foxes.

"All animals are secure and there are no concerns with animal welfare at this time," the zoo said in a statement.

Automobile production slowed Tuesday as flooding affected several facilities.

Four Chrysler plants - including one in Detroit and three in the suburbs of Warren and Sterling Heights - were flooded Monday.

The company halted operations at its Sterling Heights Assembly Plant at 9 p.m. Monday night and released employees again Tuesday morning. Chrysler said road closings caused by flooding have slowed deliveries and caused high absenteeism.

Three other Chrysler plants were running Tuesday morning, but at a slow rate. Chrysler expected to resume normal production at all four plants later Tuesday.

General Motors closed its Tech Center in Warren on Tuesday because of flood damage. The company told the 19,000 engineers, designers and others who work at the 330-acre campus to stay home while facilities are cleaned.

Historic Rainfall

"I've lived in this area 40 years, and can't ever recall all the major expressways closing for flooding like happened in today's storms," said Jeff Masters, director of meteorology for The Weather Channel's sister company, Weather Underground.

This observation was backed up by Detroit native WDIV-TV Local 4 meteorologist Paul Gross.

"I have lived my entire life and worked my entire career here, and I have never seen as widespread a flooding event. I also remember some individual intense thunderstorms that flooded one freeway. But I don't ever remember every freeway being flooded out."

Some of the heaviest rain came in the 6 p.m. hour, when 1.24 inches of rain fell at Detroit Metropolitan Airport in just 24 minutes, part of a record-breaking 4.57 inches of total rainfall for the day. It is the second-heaviest calendar-day rainfall on record in the Motor City, behind only a 4.74-inch deluge on July 31, 1925.

In Oakland County, a spotter reported 6.25 inches of rain over just 12 hours in Southfield.

Despite measuring its snowiest winter on record earlier this year, breaking a 133-year-old record, Detroit's precipitation total for 2014 to date was near normal before Monday's storm.

Most of the highways in Detroit run below grade; that's why the flooding is so bad.  (Well that and Detroit's ever industrious thieves.)
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Post by: Razgovory on August 12, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
Well, looks the water problem is solved.
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Post by: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
I have a frothing hatred of copper thieves.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
I have a frothing hatred of copper thieves.

Followed by the "we didn't know it was stolen" salvage and scrap shops.  Pieces of shit.
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Post by: DGuller on August 12, 2014, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 12, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
Well, looks the water problem is solved.
.
:pinch:
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Post by: Caliga on August 13, 2014, 05:25:03 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 18, 2014, 04:59:21 PM
She has the "Innsmouth Look" Graves' Disease.
:)
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Post by: Savonarola on August 18, 2014, 03:21:57 PM
And people think there's no money in being a librarian:

QuoteProsecutors: 'Megalomaniac' former Detroit library exec deserves 15 years

Timothy Cromer (David Coates / The Detroit News)

Detroit — Former Detroit Public Library executive Timothy Cromer is a "megalomaniac" and "conman" whose $1.5 million kickback scheme should earn him a 15-year prison sentence, argued the U.S. Attorney's Office in a filing Monday.

The cash-strapped system had to layoff staffers and close buildings in part because of losses tied to Cromer, whose colleagues likened his intimidation tactics to the "Gestapo" and nicknamed him "Slippery Tim," according to investigators and library officials.

Cromer, the library's former chief administrative and technology officer, secured nearly $5 million in fraudulent contracts for two IT companies, which in turn paid him $1.5 million in kickbacks, investigators allege.

The library work could have been completed for less than $150,000, technology experts would later tell officials.

"It takes someone of particularly low character to see an institution as rich with history and essential to the community as the DPL only as an opportunity for self-enrichment," U.S. Assistant Attorney Elizabeth Stafford wrote. "It took a megalomaniac like Cromer."

"... Cromer's corruption was uncommonly egregious, both in terms of the level of deceit and the amount of public money that he converted into a personal slush fund."

Cromer of West Bloomfield Township was a library executive from 2006 to 2013, when he lost his $145,323 a year job following an FBI raid of the system's main branch and his home. He pleaded guilty in April to bribery and conspiracy to commit bribery. He is scheduled to be sentenced Sept. 16.

The government alleges Cromer helped co-defendant James Henley create a business in 2007, Core —Consulting & Professional Services Inc. — and urged him to bid on a library network infrastructure contract despite the fact "Henley knew nothing about that field." The two met because their sons played basketball together, according to the filing.

Henley would only learn after the contract was approved that Cromer worked at the library, according to the filing.

Cromer also helped Ricardo Hearn, the owner of Cubemation, get a contract for Web design, after he agreed to pay Cromer a kickback of 33 percent of the profit, officials said.

"The consequence for the DPL is that it received very limited value for the millions of dollars it paid to Core and Cubemation," the filing said.

Monday's filing by the U.S. Attorney's Office also alleges Cromer manipulated other top library officials,including the woman who helped hire him, former executive director Nancy Skowronski. Skowronski retired in 2009.

"Cromer used his power within the DPL to create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, and acted as if he owned the DPL," according to the filing. "He was described as a 'Gestapo,' threatening employees to toe the line, and boasting about his ownership of firearms and ability to use them."

And investigators said Cromer lied about graduating from high school and college.

Cromer told library officials at one point that he graduated with a bachelor's from Wayne State University in 1992. The truth was he didn't graduate until last year, after he was fired. And his job application said he graduated from Cass Technical High School in 1984. Instead he dropped out of Cooley High after his sophomore year and didn't earn his GED until 1990, according to the filing.

"Cromer used his ill-gotten proceeds to finance an extravagant lifestyle, including a nice home, multiple fancy cars, watches and guns," according to the filing.

In April, Cromer's attorney, Ben Gonek, said his client was "prepared to pay restitution to the library system and wants to "accept responsibility for his actions, put this behind him and move on with his life."

Cromer had been under scrutiny and criticism for years, in part because he oversaw contracts and major projects for the library whose costs soared. He was the subject of several Detroit News articles in 2011 and 2012 exposing questionable contracts and accusations of nepotism.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140818/METRO01/308180079#ixzz3AmBzk01D

When the librarian tells you to shush in Detroit; you'd better.   :mad:
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Post by: Malthus on August 18, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Detroit: even the librarians are on the take.  ;)

[Yes I know, an executive, not a librarian. But still.]
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Post by: The Brain on August 18, 2014, 04:10:23 PM
Conman the Destroyer.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on August 18, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
That's fucked up, man.  Mayor's office? You expect that.  Cops? No doubt.  Sanitation? Duh.  But corruption at the level of millions at the public motherfucking library?  That's a whole new level of fucked-upedness.
What the fuck's next to come out of that town, selling shelter animals to the local med school?   Pimping out matchmaking services at day care centers? 

Just nuke it.  Move the Lions to Kalamazoo, and nuke it all.
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Post by: garbon on September 03, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
I just got an email from Virgin Atlantic that included this about new routes:

QuoteA new daily service from London Heathrow to Detroit offering new connections across North and Central USA such as Cincinnati, New Orleans, Memphis and Indianapolis*

:hmm:
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Post by: KRonn on September 03, 2014, 08:12:01 AM
Quote"Cromer used his power within the DPL to create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, and acted as if he owned the DPL," according to the filing. "He was described as a 'Gestapo,' threatening employees to toe the line, and boasting about his ownership of firearms and ability to use them." 

This is almost comically despicable, given that it's coming from a city's library department. I wonder what kind of shakedowns this guy did to people with overdue library books? 
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Post by: DontSayBanana on September 03, 2014, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: KRonn on September 03, 2014, 08:12:01 AM
Quote"Cromer used his power within the DPL to create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, and acted as if he owned the DPL," according to the filing. "He was described as a 'Gestapo,' threatening employees to toe the line, and boasting about his ownership of firearms and ability to use them." 

This is almost comically despicable, given that it's coming from a city's library department. I wonder what kind of shakedowns this guy did to people with overdue library books? 

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdismagazine.com%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Fconanlibrarian.gif&hash=6737fa58ca2e441a11825cb7553785717094ec1a)
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Post by: KRonn on September 03, 2014, 09:23:26 AM
Lol...    :lol:

Good find!
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Post by: Savonarola on September 10, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
One of the last two hold outs in the bankruptcy deal has been appeased:

QuoteHoldout creditor Syncora to get millions in Detroit bankruptcy deal

The city reached a last-minute settlement with its fiercest holdout creditor late Tuesday to give the firm millions, control of a city parking garage and a 20-year lease extension of the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel — a deal that could speed the end of Detroit's bankruptcy.

Bond insurer Syncora Guarantee Inc. has agreed to a deal that will pay it roughly 26 cents on the dollar, according to two sources familiar with negotiations. The city also agreed to extend the tunnel lease with a Syncora-controlled firm for 20 years. The city also will give New York-based Syncora millions in return for the firm's pledge to help counter bond insurer FinancialGuaranty Insurance Co., which is fighting Detroit's debt-cutting plan.

The tentative deal could end a dispute that predates Detroit's bankruptcy filing in July 2013. Since then, Syncora has gained a reputation as the city's fiercest adversary, fighting attempts to fix broken streetlights and leveling a "blistering" personal attack on federal mediators that drew a rebuke from U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes.

With the exception of Detroit's eligibility for bankruptcy, Syncora has battled the city at nearly every corner, challenging its "grand bargain" with pensioners and relentlessly pursuing Detroit's storied art collection.

The deal was reached hours after the city agreed with county leaders to spin off the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department. The Syncora deal, reached days after The News exclusively reported about last-minute negotiations involving cash, the tunnel and real estate, must be approved by Rhodes.

"We expect an announcement from mediators Wednesday morning," city spokesman Bill Nowling told The News Tuesday night.

Syncora late Tuesday called for a 48-hour halt in Detroit's bankruptcy trial, saying it has "reached an agreement in principle" with the city and needed to finalize some details.

In a court filing, Syncora attorney Ryan Blaine Bennett said the bond insurer needs time to "address certain conditions and logistics."

Syncora asked Rhodes to delay further proceedings until 8:30 a.m. Friday.

"We also note for the court that if this agreement is finalized within this time period as we expect, it will profoundly alter the course of the proceeding and the litigation plans of the remaining parties," Bennett wrote to the judge.

At least one large hurdle remains. Bond insurer FGIC, with claims of more than $1.1 billion in pension bonds it insured, walked out of closed-door negotiations two weeks ago and has a claim three times the size of Syncora's.

A spokesman for FGIC declined to comment Tuesday night.

The Syncora deal raises questions about what money is left for FGIC.

"Your asset list is shrinking," Bloomfield Hills bankruptcy lawyer Douglas Bernstein said. "What's left to offer to them in a settlement? Maybe it's not as rich."

And even if Detroit settles with FGIC, the judge must conclude the city's plan is fair and feasible, Bernstein said.

"No matter what, that's the focus," he said. "They are still going to have to prove to (Rhodes) that the city can do this."

Syncora's deal also would require other creditors to sign off, potentially leaving less money for certain bondholders to recover from Detroit. Banking giants UBS AG and Bank of America would have to drop their pursuit of a nearly $200 million insurance claim against Syncora over a troubled pension debt deal, which one source described as a "significant loose end."

A two-day delay in the trial, said Syncora attorney James Sprayregen, is needed "so that we can work through certain contingencies contained in the deal, including obtaining full resolution with Bank of America, UBS and other stakeholders."

Two sources close to the negotiations told The News the deal has several elements:

■ The city agreed to extend a lease of its half of the Detroit-Windsor tunnel for 20 years. The current lease ends in 2020, but the new lease would run through 2040.

Syncora already has a financial interest in the tunnel linking the United States and Canada, increasing the value of a long-term lease extension.

Ownership of the company that operates the U.S. side of the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel was transferred from an investment company to Syncora in September in exchange for $334 million in swap liability.

Earlier this year, UBS and Bank of America agreed to take 29 cents on the dollar for a $290 million claim against Detroit for bad interest rate bets the city made with the two banks in 2005 on a troubled $1.4 billion pension debt deal. Syncora insured the banks' interest rate swap with Detroit, leaving the company on the hook for the banks' losses.

The proposed deal would require Syncora to drop all of its pending appeals at the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, including its attempt to block Detroit from access to crucial monthly casino tax revenue that the two banks held as collateral. Additional mediation between Syncora, the banks and other creditors is expected this week.

American Roads, the parent company of Detroit Windsor Tunnel LLC, which operates the Detroit half of the one-mile tunnel under a lease, makes annual rental payments to the city of about $1 million.

Under the deal, the city would enter into a redevelopment agreement with American Roads and convey vacant land around the tunnel to Syncora's subsidiary, a source familiar with the deal told The News.

Detroit pursued selling its half of the tunnel for $75 million during former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's tenure, but the deal fell apart.

The city of Windsor owns the Canadian side.

■ Detroit will let Syncora share in $120 million of "B notes" — new bonds the city is issuing to creditors to be paid over time — included in the city's bankruptcy plan. Syncora will receive a $23 million piece of the deal.

■ Detroit will give Syncora the chance to operate a city-owned parking garage underneath Grand Circus Park. The lease deal is for 30 years. The garage near Ford Field and Comerica Park has 800 spaces and is Detroit's third-largest municipal garage and an entertainment district that includes Fox Theatre. Syncora has to make $13 million in capital improvements in the garage. Once it does, it will receive the parking revenue — except for 25 percent that would go to Detroit.

■ Syncora also gets a $6.25 million coupon that can be used to bid on any available city property — namely the Joe Louis Arena site, once the Red Wings move out after construction of a planned arena north of the Fox and Comerica Park.

The $6.25 million coupon can be used to top rival bidders for Detroit property, perhaps including the former Ford Auditorium site along the Detroit River.

■ Detroit will issue $21.3 million in parking revenue bonds and give the cash to Syncora, under terms of the deal.

■ Syncora also gets $5 million in cash from Detroit to help settle claims with firms involved in an infamous $1.4 billion pension deal.

Syncora's new allowed claim is $201.5 million, down from about $400 million. In all, Syncora boosted its recovery from 6 cents on the dollar to roughly 26 cents on the dollar, sources said. In comparison, Detroit's debt-cutting plan gives the city's pensioners about 46 cents on the dollar for their $3.1 billion claim. UBS and Bank of America are getting $85 million, or 29 cents on the dollar, for their interest rate swap claim against the city.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140909/METRO01/309090137#ixzz3Cw2gq2Ju

It seems like a reasonable deal; at least in that it gives Syncora a large interest in the city's recovery.  As the article notes, FGIC is owed much more by the city of Detroit and still opposes the deal.
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Post by: KRonn on September 10, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
I didn't realize the bankruptcy was still under discussion. I thought it was already a done deal.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 10, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: KRonn on September 10, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
I didn't realize the bankruptcy was still under discussion. I thought it was already a done deal.

It's before the judge right now.  Every major player, except FGIC, has signed off on the "Grand Bargain"; but Judge Rhodes still must decide if the plans are feasible.
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Post by: KRonn on September 10, 2014, 02:02:12 PM
Good luck to Detroit. It seems their only way out now is bankruptcy, and I hope they have a reasonably solid plan for rebuilding the city.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 10, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
Well, a plan for limping sadly into a desolate existence. Rebuilding would be far too much to ask in this case, I think.
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Post by: KRonn on September 11, 2014, 12:39:22 PM
Agreed, they do have a long way to go to rebuild. At this point they're just trying to regain some kind of solvency, trying to survive.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 02, 2014, 01:13:35 PM
Life during bankruptcy:

QuoteMakeshift fire hydrant keeps downtown café percolating

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A downtown Detroit coffeehouse and an adjoining jewelry store get all their water from a system of plastic pipe and garden hoses attached to a nearby fireplug with duct tape and towels.

The jerry-rigging, though, isn't the work of the business owners trying to get free water.

The city's Water and Sewerage Department hooked it up several months ago.

The makeshift water service is the only way that Chris Jaszczak, 66, owner of 1515 Broadway, is able to serve coffee to his customers. All water served is boiled first, and customers aren't offered tap water.

It's just one more example of a city immersed in bankruptcy making do with imaginative fixes, like using tires to plug utility manholes whose covers have been stolen. Or firefighters using pop cans hooked up to fax machines as emergency alerts.

The fireplug service is a temporary fix while the DWSD figures out how workers can safely make water repairs to the water line in the alley behind the two businesses along Broadway, a stone's throw from Comerica Park.

Crews need to dig to the water main to fix a leak. But two neighboring tall buildings, the Wurlitzer and Metropolitan, crumbling from decades of neglect, are too threatening.

The worry is that vibration from heavy equipment needed to make the repairs in the alley will jar loose bricks and other debris on the two buildings, bringing it down on workers.

Jaszczak said pieces of the Wurlitzer building on the south side of his business — and his upstairs home — fall on the property every day. His residential loft has numerous buckets and tarps to catch rain.

"I mean, this is embarrassing," he said, showing the Free Press the extent of his rain-catching setup, with a tarp even on his son's bed.

He said it's a problem that's only getting worse. But with winter coming, there's an urgency for the city to fix the water main before the ground and hoses freeze.

DWSD spokesman Greg Eno said it will cost about $100,000 to have the buildings in the alley secured with netting and scaffolding. There's been uncertainty about who will pay, but he said the city is likely to foot the bill.

Daphne and Paul Curtis, previously reported as the owners of the Wurlitzer building, didn't immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday.

On the roof of Jaszczak's building, he's used fallen bricks and tarp to cover a large hole left a few years ago when a piece of the Wurlitzer fell from the top of the 13-story building, smashing through his second-story roof and onto his floor. On the roof, pieces of brick, mortar and broken glass are scattered across the vinyl liner; in many places, falling bricks have gouged holes.

Jaszczak said the roof liner was installed 13 years ago and shouldn't be leaking like it is.

In the back alley, where garden hoses are tapped into the fireplug, high-level parts of the Wurlitzer are bowed out precariously, stacks of bricks visible from the ground, waiting to fall.

Dan Martinez, co-operator of the café, advised a Free Press reporter to wear a helmet when walking in the alley behind the business.

"I don't even walk back there," he said.

The fireplug setup has been in place since shortly after the Fourth of July, when the water was abruptly shut off because a leak was detected at a neighboring business.

Jaszczak, forced to improvise to accommodate the holiday traffic to his business as the Tigers were playing at Comerica Park, hauled buckets of water from the nearby Detroit Beer Company.

"I had to carry the buckets up two flights of stairs just so I could wash the dishes," he said.

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around.

This is near the northern edge of Detroit's downtown; right across from the Opera House and a couple blocks away from the Greektown Casino. 

At one time the Wurlitzer Building was a nine story music store; but it's been abandoned for 30 years.
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Post by: garbon on October 02, 2014, 01:42:56 PM
Wow.
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Post by: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 02, 2014, 01:13:35 PM
The jerry-rigging,

:ph34r:
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Post by: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Why is America broken?
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Post by: garbon on October 02, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Why is America broken?

Broken? I'll show you broken. I'll break your face.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2014, 01:42:56 PM
Wow.

Why not use fire hydrants.  Fire Department is too broke to respond anyway.
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Post by: garbon on October 02, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 04:26:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2014, 01:42:56 PM
Wow.

Why not use fire hydrants.  Fire Department is too broke to respond anyway.

Not that they shouldn't. Just so sad.
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Post by: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Why is America broken?

Broken? I'll show you broken. I'll break your face.

Why? Bad bitches like me is hard to come by.
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Post by: garbon on October 02, 2014, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Why is America broken?

Broken? I'll show you broken. I'll break your face.

Why? Bad bitches like me is hard to come by.

You a trick ass bitch. Your shit be ratchet.
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Post by: Syt on October 09, 2014, 04:45:50 AM
http://www.thelocal.at/20141008/austrian-wants-to-swap-detroit-home-for-iphone

QuoteAustrian wants to swap Detroit home for iPhone

An Austrian man who bought a house in the bankrupt US city Detroit has said he is willing to trade his property for an iPhone 6 after failing to sell it.

Real estate broker Larry Else represents the homeowner and confirmed to local news station Fox 2 that the listing on real estate website Zillow is genuine.

"My client is overseas and he told me he would be willing to trade the property for an iPhone 6. It sounds to me like he wants the iPhone 6+ version, but I think he's willing to negotiate."

The homeowner would also consider a 32 gigabyte iPad, or he might be willing to sell for $3,000 (€2,370).

The listing refers to the house as an "investor special," but fails to mention that the owner owes $6,160 in property taxes and the house itself is very run down, with no front door and broken windows.

In a conversation with The Huffington Post, Else acknowledged the home "needs major renovations."

The broker said that his client lives in Austria and bought the house in 2010 for $41,000, probably believing that it would be a good investment as a rental property.

Since the Fox 2 story aired on Monday, Else said he's had three offers: one for an iPhone 5, one for $700, and one for $850.
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Post by: garbon on October 09, 2014, 06:46:21 AM
Dude sounds very bright.
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 09, 2014, 01:51:51 PM
Quote
fails to mention that the owner owes $6,160 in property taxes


How is this possible? How is the tax assessor in Detroit valuing a house worth an iPhone? It has to be like a 2000% effective annual tax.
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Post by: Eddie Teach on October 09, 2014, 01:56:47 PM
That's the main reason houses in Detroit are worthless.
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Post by: Admiral Yi on October 09, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 09, 2014, 01:51:51 PM
How is this possible? How is the tax assessor in Detroit valuing a house worth an iPhone? It has to be like a 2000% effective annual tax.

We can't tell from that unpaid tax bill how the assessor values the property.  I also assume that tax valuations, unlike market valuations, don't take into account unpaid tax bills.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 09, 2014, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 09, 2014, 01:51:51 PM
Quote
fails to mention that the owner owes $6,160 in property taxes


How is this possible? How is the tax assessor in Detroit valuing a house worth an iPhone? It has to be like a 2000% effective annual tax.

Tax assessment in Detroit is notoriously bad and tax collection is even worse.  The tax bill could represent well over a decade of uncollected property taxes.
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Post by: Savonarola on October 20, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
Fuck the firefighters coming straight from the underground

QuoteTheft of Detroit firefighters' saws 'a slap in the face'

Detroit firehouse Ladder Company 22 has had thousands of dollars worth of equipment stolen before, but a theft early Sunday was like a slap in the face.

For the second time in less than two years, the firefighters' chainshaw and large K-14 saw were stolen from their truck— this time while they battled a blaze.

They were responding to a fire on Dundee Street near Grand River. Firefighter Jeremy Mullins said there have been about 10 fires in a three-block area within the past three days.

"We parked the rig and fought the fire," Mullins said. "When we came back and opened the compartment, they were gone. ... It was easy pickings. It's very frustrating. I've put in a lot of effort to get things like that for my firehouse and other firehouses to make sure they have what they need. To have them stolen, it's a slap in the face."

The saws are vital to fighting fires and saving lives, Mullins said.

The chainsaw is used to breach roofs to let the heat out during a fire, he said, so that firefighters don't get burned. The K-14 can be used to cut just about anything, Mullins said, including steel, wood, metal, chains and fences.

The saws cost about $2,000 a piece.

Mullins said the first theft happened about two years ago at the firehouse at 6830 McGraw. He said the firefighters on duty that night had gone down the street to grab something to eat from a restaurant. When they went back to the firehouse, they noticed the saws were gone.

Mullins got the word out that they were looking for used saws to replace the old ones. The National Firefighters Endowment offered to buy the firehouse two new saws.

Mullins said after the first theft, the firefighters installed a bracket and a chain in Ladder 22 and locked both saws up.

"We learned our lesson and would lock them up religiously in the compartment," he said.

But Ladder 22's rig is in the repair shop, so the firefighters are using a temporary pickup truck with a pump on the back. Mullins said firefighters were unable to secure the saws, leaving the equipment vulnerable.

Mullins was able to replace the chainsaw by using money the firefighters had saved up to repair the firehouse's kitchen, which is in disrepair. Mullins, who has been a firefighter for nearly 14 years, said the city is unable to cover the cost.

The firefighters have set up a PayPal account to cover the cost of the K-14 saw.

Mullins said the UAW Local 22, 43000 Michigan Ave., has also set up a fund for the firehouse.

"We do more with less," he said. "It's gotten worse and it's getting progressively worse."
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Post by: CountDeMoney on October 21, 2014, 12:25:39 AM
QuoteThe saws are vital to fighting fires and saving lives, Mullins said.

...

The saws cost about $2,000 a piece.

The saws are also apparently vital to getting somebody a meal in that fucked up town.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 17, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
 :pirate

QuoteDuggan: Detroit database held for ransom

Detroit — Mayor Mike Duggan discussed Monday how Detroit has been victimized by cyber crimes, including how a city database was frozen in April and held for ransom.

Duggan said the city database was held for a ransom of 2,000 bitcoins, an encrypted digital currency. A bitcoin is currently worth $401.75, making that ransom worth $803,500. Duggan said the ransom was not paid and it was a database the city didn't use or need.

"It was a good warning sign for us," he said.

The disclosures by Duggan were part of his address at Michigan's third summit focusing on cyber security issues in government, business and other sectors at the North American International cyber Summit at Cobo Center.

Duggan also noted Monday that a person involved in Detroit's historic bankruptcy case recently was the victim of a cyber attack that involved threatening emails and a "significant" amount of money taken from a personal checking account.

"The timing was such that he certainly thought it was a political agenda," Duggan said.

The attack was one of several examples Duggan gave of the city's lack of updated technology and security.

"It was pretty disturbing what I found," said Duggan of beginning his term as mayor earlier this year. "I found the Microsoft Office system we had was about 10 years old and couldn't sync the calendar to my phone."

The city is in the process of improving security and updating technologies, including recently switching to a faster email system, according to Duggan.

"We're in the early stages of ramping up," he said. "The stakes in play in the state and in the country are enormous."

Other featured speakers at the summit include Gov. Rick Snyder, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, military leaders and private-sector experts.

Experts from across the country will also talk about trends and best practices in cyber security.

Data theft and security breaches can be costly, both to businesses and the government. According to the state, the Michigan government suffers more than 500,000 computer attacks each day, including spam, Web browser attacks and network intrusion.

Snyder in his keynote speech Monday said an increasingly connected world leaves the private sector vulnerable to cyber attacks.

"Twenty years from now, your car is going to be driving itself," he said. "The vehicle will be talking to other vehicles, making decisions on when to stop and when to brake."

A hacker could gain access to that system and control a vehicle from the outside, Snyder said.

"The risks we have today are only going to dramatically increase," he said.

Snyder also said he thinks the private sector is more vulnerable to an attack than the government.

"The easiest way to disrupt our world is to go through the private sector," he said.

Snyder stressed civilian involvement to combat this risk.

"We need to get everyone involved, not just the government," he said. "It's the private sector, the individuals all learning more about cyber security."

In his speech, Snyder also announced an expansion to the Cyber Civilian Corp., a group of volunteers from the private sector trained to respond to a cyber attack.

The group first was announced last year at the cyber summit.

"I'm glad to say within the next few months, we'll have a dozen teams," Snyder said.

Snyder compared the corps to the Army National Guard.

"It makes sense to use a model that we've used for 200-plus years in this country," he said. "It's the citizen cyber solider concept."

Snyder also highlighted the cyber Command Center with the Michigan State Police, designed to coordinate state efforts to monitor cyber threats.

"Just like we have a Michigan intelligence operation for physical crimes, now we've done that for cyber crimes," he said.

In addition to the civilian corps and cyber command center, Snyder also spoke about the Michigan cyber Range, created in 2012 to allow people to train and take cyber security certification courses.

Following his speech, Snyder told reporters it was a matter of time before a significant cyber attack hits the state.

"It's just a 'when' question," he said. "That's the point of us being prepared and that's why I'm so proud to say Michigan is a leader in being prepared."

Snyder also briefly touched on topics other than cyber security, including his hope to get a road funding bill on his desk by the end of the year. The state Senate approved a boost of more than $1 billion in state road money Thursday with a change to Michigan's fuel tax that is certain to raise the price at the pump. The gas tax increase bill will now go to the Republican-controlled House.

"There's still quite a bit of work to be done on the House side of this," he said. "But if you look at the Senate, work was done in a great bipartisan fashion and I hope we can replicate that in the House."

He also addressed his upcoming fourth annual trip to China.

"It's about jobs here in Michigan," he said. "How can we get more exports to China, how can we get more Chinese investment in Michigan, and how we can continue working together to build a strong economic relationship."

Snyder said that while there have been "multiple" investments from China into the Michigan auto industry, he also is looking into other fields.

"We're looking to broaden that into other fields (like) agricultural exports," he said. "We're the second most diverse state in the nation; most Michiganders don't even recognize that."

Duggan should have offered them municipal bonds instead of Bitcoins.  I'm sure Synargo had some they could have given away.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 20, 2014, 10:25:18 AM
QuoteKilpatrick frat brother admits pocketing cash, gifts
Robert Snell, The Detroit News 10:36 p.m. EST November 19, 2014

Kwame Kilpatrick's fraternity brother provided a peek inside a jet-setting lifestyle bankrolled by Detroit pension fund businessmen Wednesday, but insisted he did not betray the trust of police widows, firefighters and other retirees who relied on him for retirement benefits.

The fraternity brother, former Detroit Treasurer Jeffrey Beasley, testified in his own defense in federal court during the highest-profile public corruption trial since Kilpatrick was convicted and sentenced to 28 years in prison last year.

The nearly four hours of testimony, including a tense government cross-examination, provided Beasley's first public comments since he was indicted almost three years ago.

From 2006-08, he is accused of pocketing bribes and kickbacks in return for approving more than $200 million in pension fund investments. The city's two pension funds lost more than $84 million on the deals, prosecutors allege.

Beasley told jurors Wednesday he ate, drank, golfed, gambled, vacationed, rode in private jets and Las Vegas limousines — all paid for by people who had business pending in front of Detroit's two pension funds. Beasley sat on the boards of both pension funds and helped decide how to invest the retirement system's $6 billion in assets.

At one point, Beasley testified about coming home and finding a Christmas gift from Chauncey Mayfield, a businessman who oversaw $200 million worth of pension fund investments.

"Was it from Tiffany?" Beasley's lawyer, Walter Piszczatowski, asked.

"It was a blue box," said Beasley, 45. "I guess."

"Did that somehow cause you to give him favorable treatment?" his lawyer asked.

"Chauncey was a classy guy. First class," Beasley said. "This didn't have anything to do with a vote. He was very professional and had a lot of class. I took it as that. Some people gave nice bottles of champagne — Moet. We got steaks sent to our house. This was his way of sending Christmas gifts."

The gifts kept coming.

From Mayfield, who gave Beasley's girlfriend a $45,000 job. From Greektown mogul Jim Papas, who gave Beasley gambling money, free drinks and meals. From a Georgia businessman who spent $8,000 on a 3,000-square-foot, four-bedroom villa in the Caribbean for Beasley, his wife and five kids.

"It was bigger than your house in Detroit," Assistant U.S. Attorney David Gardey told Beasley.

Beasley will continue testifying Thursday morning in federal court.

Beasley started receiving gifts not long after Kilpatrick recruited his fraternity brother from Florida A&M University in 2005.

One year into his term as treasurer, in January 2007, Beasley ran into one of Kilpatrick's security guards. The guard was headed to the Atheneum Suite Hotel in Greektown and asked Beasley to join him.

The two went up to a private suite and opened the door.

"Surprise!" about 60 people yelled.

Most of the people were entrepreneurs, lawyers, money managers and others who had business deals in front of the pension funds.

"Wow," Beasley said he thought. "It was a good feeling."

Before the party ended, Detroit pension fund lawyer Ronald Zajac handed him a birthday card and an envelope filled with $100 bills.

"Tell us how much was inside," Piszczatowski said.

"Nine thousand dollars," Beasley said. "That's what I used to take my family on vacation."

Beasley testified he did not know who contributed toward the birthday gift nor made any assumptions despite being given the money at a party filled with pension fund businessmen.

Prosecutors allege Zajac organized the party and solicited the cash. Months later, Beasley and the pension boards gave Zajac a 33 percent pay raise — boosting his pay to more than $400,000 a year.

Zajac is standing trial alongside Beasley and former pension trustee Paul Stewart. If convicted, the men face up to 20 years in federal prison.

In April 2007, three months after the birthday party, prosecutors allege Mayfield flew Beasley, Kilpatrick and three others on a private jet to Las Vegas for a golf trip.

The flight cost Mayfield $43,000. The businessman also spent about $23,000 for the group to stay at the Venetian luxury hotel casino, eat and go to Prince and Toni Braxton concerts.

"And Mr. Mayfield paid for golf and you rode in a stretch Hummer," Gardey told Beasley.

"It was a stretch limo," Beasley corrected.

"You accepted all these things?" the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," Beasley said.

"Did you ever sell your vote as the result of getting your hotel paid for?" Beasley's lawyer asked.

"Never," Beasley said.

"Did you give Mr. Mayfield favorable treatment?" Piszczatowski asked.

"Never," Beasley said.

There was one thing Mayfield didn't pay for: a plane ticket for Beasley's girlfriend to join him in Las Vegas.

"She brought herself," Beasley said.

In August 2007, four months after Las Vegas, Beasley was back on an airplane for a family vacation at a luxury hotel in the Turks and Caicos.

Another Detroit pension fund businessman, Roy Dixon, was there, coincidentally. Dixon took Beasley golfing, gave him gambling money and showed him around the islands.

Beasley testified that he felt Dixon was trying to pitch a real estate proposal and the amount of time the men spent together caused friction with Beasley's family.

"What happened when you went to pay for your room?" Beasley's lawyer asked.

Dixon picked up the bill, Beasley testified.

"I offered to pay," Beasley said.

Dixon insisted on picking up the tab since he intruded on Beasley's family vacation, Beasley said.

Prosecutors said the hotel and other perks were bribes and kickbacks in exchange for Beasley supporting deals Dixon was pursuing with the pension funds.

One of Dixon's deals tanked and cost the pension funds $20 million. Prosecutors say Dixon embezzled more than $3 million and spent some of the cash on an $8.5 million mansion in Atlanta.

Dixon pleaded guilty last month, testified during the trial and could get more than eight years in federal prison. Mayfield also pleaded guilty and could be sentenced to more than four years in prison.

Beasley told jurors Wednesday he didn't keep all the gifts he received during his time in office.

A different pension fund businessman gave him an $1,800 Cartier watch in December 2007.

"I returned it," Beasley said.

Tiffany!  Cartier! this kind of reads like "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend."
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Post by: KRonn on November 20, 2014, 10:52:56 AM
This stuff just keeps getting better and better with these guys. Ripping off a broken city, but it looks like most of them are getting their due and some time behind bars to ponder their work.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 05, 2014, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on December 21, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
I'm back in the 313 for the Holidays.  CB and I used to go to Detroit's Farmers Market, Eastern Market, and then to breakfast at a local diner called "The Fly Trap" every Friday.  We did that today.  Eastern Market has really taken off; this time of year it used to be half empty and most of the people there were either farmers selling the very end of the season produce, farmers from the greenhouses in Leamington, Ontario, butchers, and people selling Christmas trees and poinsettias.  Today the farmers are still there, but it's filled much more with specialty producers selling astronomically-priced foods to appeal to locavores, vegans and what-have-you.  It was packed too, and the homeless were nowhere to be seen (nothing short of a miracle in Detroit.)  I miss the old Eastern Market, it was the real Detroit, but today it's an incredible boost for the city.   :)

One of Detroit's long standing companies is Germack, which is a nut and coffee roasting company.  They've been around for 90 years and to generations of Detroiters they're known as the company which roasts the peanuts for Tigers' games and holiday pistachios.

They had a cramped little shop at Eastern Market which which was packed with nuts and coffee.  They recently moved to another location still in Eastern Market.  CB and I went their over Thanksgiving and their store is now a hip coffee shop straight out of 1992 Seattle; with bare brick walls, free jazz blaring over the speakers and all the servers were just too cool, daddy-o.   :cool:

There have been many changes in the city of Detroit since I've left; that one, so far, has caught me most by surprise.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 30, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
Guess whose back, back again:

QuoteMonica Conyers sues McDonald's over cut finger

Detroit — Monica Conyers wasn't loving it when she went to McDonald's on New Year's Day. And now she's suing for $25,000.

The former Detroit city councilwoman alleges she cut her finger on a chair on Jan. 1 at the restaurant inside Detroit Metropolitan Airport before catching a flight to Washington D.C.

She was en route to attend the swearing-in ceremony of her husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said her attorney, Amir Makled of Dearborn.

"Plaintiff sat down to eat at a table inside McDonald's, and grabbed the side of the chair to adjust her seat and pull her chair under the table," according to a suit filed Thursday in Third Circuit Court.

"While pulling herself under the table, Plaintiff felt a sharp pain in the ring finger of her right hand, screamed in pain and jumped out of the seat."

The chair may not have been properly assembled and Conyers suffered an "extremely painful" cut that caused her to lose a fingernail, Makled said.

The suit says Conyers rushed to the counter and was helped by police and paramedics who provided her "with sterile alcohol pads and gauze." Conyers made the flight to D.C., sought medical attention and now is "severely injured," the suit said.

The suit against franchise owner Jamjomar Inc. alleges Conyers suffered "extreme pain and anguish" and has lost the full use of her hand.

Conyers was one of the most memorable council members in recent years, grabbing headlines for sparring with colleagues and referring to former Council President Ken Cockrel Jr. as "Shrek."

She served one term, pleaded guilty to corruption charges in 2010 and was sentenced to 37 months in federal prison for accepting money in exchange for her vote on a $1 billion sludge-hauling deal.

Conyers was released in 2013 and briefly worked as a receptionist and gofer at a Corktown auto body shop. She's since kept a low profile, appearing with her husband at events such as the funeral this year of UAW Vice President General Holiefield.

Efforts to reach Jamjomar was unsuccessful. The company owns 15 McDonald's in Michigan and Louisiana and is owned by Jim Thrower, a former Detroit Lions player.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 21, 2015, 01:41:23 PM
Here we go again:

QuoteReview team finds financial emergency in Wayne County

Detroit — An independent review team on Tuesday has concluded that a financial emergency exists in Wayne County, state officials said.

The determination comes hours after County Executive Warren Evans appeared before Detroit's City Council, telling members that he remains confident the county will resolve its challenges without emergency management or bankruptcy.

By law, Gov. Rick Snyder now has 10 days to consider the review team's report and reach a determination on the county's financial condition.

Evans, in a statement released following the decision, said the team's findings "validates" the work his administration has done to "reveal the true financial status" of the county.

"Our $52 million structural deficit in Wayne County is real and unless we solve it now, it will continue to grow year after year," Evans said in the statement. "While we have already taken several significant steps forward to stop the debt from accumulating, there is still much work to be done."

"As we move further along in the process to secure Wayne County's future, I want to be clear that we have a plan that allows us to solve our own problems and we have a responsibility to use the tools available to us to get it done."

The county is grappling with a $52 million structural deficit — a recurring shortfall that stems from the underfunded pension system and a $100 million yearly drop in property tax revenue since 2008. Its accumulated deficit is $150 million.

"We're working very hard to get this budget situation straightened out," Evans told council members earlier Tuesday morning, during a brief address at City Hall. "There is no way I would foresee Wayne County needing an emergency manager or bankruptcy at this point."

The review team, appointed July 2 following a preliminary review requested by Evans, conducted several meetings to consider the county's finances and interviewed elected officials, department heads, union leaders, officials said.

The review team also conducted a public information meeting with county residents, as required by law.

The team's report indicates that numerous conditions led to the determination that a financial emergency exists in the county. Those conditions include:

■ The county's last four annual financial audits revealed notable variances between General Fund revenues and expenditures as initially budgeted, as amended, and as actually realized. In addition, County officials underestimated actual expenditures in three of the fiscal years by amounts ranging from $16.7 million to $23.7 million.

■County officials engaged in unbudgeted expenditures in violation of Public Act 2 of 1968, the Uniform Budgeting and Accounting Act.

■Although there was agreement among county officials that existing detention facilities are inadequate, there is no consensus about whether to complete construction on a new jail or to renovate existing facilities.

■According to the county executive's recovery plan, unfunded healthcare-related liabilities were estimated to be $1.3 billion as of the last actuarial valuation with funding set aside for this purpose of less than one percent of liabilities. Healthcare-related liabilities represent 40 percent of the county's long-term financial obligations.

Evans asked the state Treasury Department to declare a financial emergency for the county and support his request to enter into a consent agreement.

"I'm hoping that they (the review team) will acknowledge what we know to be the problem: We are in a financial position that would require likely some outside powers to get out of it," Evans said Tuesday.

Wayne County is struggling with $4.5 billion in long-term financial obligations. Officials for the county have also said they need the consent agreement to help address its vastly underfunded pension system.

Evans this month submitted a balanced budget of $1.55 billion to the Wayne County Commission for its approval.

The budget — down from the current year's $1.68 billion budget — covers Oct. 1, 2015, through Sept. 30, 2016. Evans also said he has submitted a projected 2016-17 budget of $1.46 billion.

Evans on Tuesday also referenced the county's failed jail project.

"Without a balanced budget and our bond rating, I can't do anything about it," he said. "Whatever it's going to take, it's going to take more money."

The executive told council members that he's confident the county will be OK, as long as it makes progress on its structural deficit.

"There's significant liabilities out there, but if we get rid of the structural deficit soon, we're on a path to have a balanced budget to have our credit rating upgraded."

Turn it up!  Bring the Noise!

Detroit is in Wayne County.  The jail is a notorious boondoggle.  The core of the jail has been built, but not the outer walls.  It's stood like that for over a year now, right on a major highway exit into downtown Detroit:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.freep.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DC4%26amp%3BDate%3D20130918%26amp%3BCategory%3DNEWS02%26amp%3BArtNo%3D309180140%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D640%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BOne-person-grand-jury-investigate-stalled-Wayne-County-Jail-project&hash=1669fcf571be3d13c176ab8e13ae3b784b7e2d3d)

You can see the Greektown Casino behind it and the Renaissance center over to the right.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on July 21, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 30, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
Guess whose back, back again:

QuoteMonica Conyers sues McDonald's over cut finger

Detroit — Monica Conyers wasn't loving it when she went to McDonald's on New Year's Day. And now she's suing for $25,000.

The former Detroit city councilwoman alleges she cut her finger on a chair on Jan. 1 at the restaurant inside Detroit Metropolitan Airport before catching a flight to Washington D.C.

She was en route to attend the swearing-in ceremony of her husband, U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Detroit, said her attorney, Amir Makled of Dearborn.

"Plaintiff sat down to eat at a table inside McDonald's, and grabbed the side of the chair to adjust her seat and pull her chair under the table," according to a suit filed Thursday in Third Circuit Court.

"While pulling herself under the table, Plaintiff felt a sharp pain in the ring finger of her right hand, screamed in pain and jumped out of the seat."

The chair may not have been properly assembled and Conyers suffered an "extremely painful" cut that caused her to lose a fingernail, Makled said.

The suit says Conyers rushed to the counter and was helped by police and paramedics who provided her "with sterile alcohol pads and gauze." Conyers made the flight to D.C., sought medical attention and now is "severely injured," the suit said.

The suit against franchise owner Jamjomar Inc. alleges Conyers suffered "extreme pain and anguish" and has lost the full use of her hand.

Conyers was one of the most memorable council members in recent years, grabbing headlines for sparring with colleagues and referring to former Council President Ken Cockrel Jr. as "Shrek."

She served one term, pleaded guilty to corruption charges in 2010 and was sentenced to 37 months in federal prison for accepting money in exchange for her vote on a $1 billion sludge-hauling deal.

Conyers was released in 2013 and briefly worked as a receptionist and gofer at a Corktown auto body shop. She's since kept a low profile, appearing with her husband at events such as the funeral this year of UAW Vice President General Holiefield.

Efforts to reach Jamjomar was unsuccessful. The company owns 15 McDonald's in Michigan and Louisiana and is owned by Jim Thrower, a former Detroit Lions player.

The owner should offer to shake hands and apologize in front of the judge. :menace:
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Post by: Savonarola on July 22, 2015, 03:22:42 PM
QuoteSnyder confirms Wayne County financial emergency
By Eric D. Lawrence, Detroit Free Press 4:07 p.m. EDT July 22, 2015

Gov. Rick Snyder has confirmed the findings of a state review team, one day after the team wrapped up its work.

The governor has closely reviewed the review team report and agrees with their determination of financial emergency, according to spokeswoman Sara Wurfel.

Now, the Wayne County Commission has seven days to choose one of four options for dealing with the emergency — entering into a consent agreement with the state; having an emergency manager; neutral evaluation, which is mediation; or bankruptcy. It was not immediately clear when the commission would meet on the issue.

The governor's decision comes a little over a month after County Executive Warren Evans requested that the state review the county's finances. He has said he wants a consent agreement, which would allow him to impose cuts to employee benefits even as the county is in negotiations with its unions. One of Evans targets has been the elimination of an estimated $52 million structural deficit.

Despite some recent improvements in Wayne County's financial picture, such as an increase in property tax collections and a settlement over retiree healthcare, the state's review team found enough dire news to conclude that a financial emergency exists.

In addition to an underfunded pension system and heavy healthcare costs, the review team noted that the county underestimated expenditures in three of the last four fiscal years by $16.7 million to $23.7 million, has not identified a resolution for its money-draining unfinished jail and struggles with ineffective communication.

This is a formality; Snyder was going to go along with the finding of the review board.  I think every city in Michigan that's found itself in this situation has tried the Emergency Manager first.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 17, 2015, 09:28:17 AM
Meanwhile in Detroit:

QuoteMom says from behind bars: 'I would kill them again'

A daily crime show has released an interview with Mitchelle Blair, the Detroit mother convicted of killing two of her children and stuffing their bodies in a freezer, in which she says: "I would kill them again."

In the video released this week by Crime Watch Daily, the show's anchor, Matt Doran, goes behind bars to speak with Blair.

During the minute-and-a-half clip, Doran asks Blair why she piled the bodies of her dead children, 9-year-old Stephen Berry and, months later, 13-year-old Stoni Blair, in a freezer.

"Well, I only had one deep freezer," she replied. "You mean to take the decision to pile the bodies on top of each other? Where was she going to go?"


Then Doran asks Blair how she sleeps at night.

"I slept well," she said. "Of course at first I cried. It was (expletive) up. I had to let go of all of that."

In response to whether she feels any remorse, Blair responded: "I would kill them again."

Blair was sentenced in July to life in prison without the possibility of parole after she pleaded guilty to the deaths.

It is believed Stephen died Aug. 20, 2012, and Stoni nine months later on May 25, 2013. Their bodies were found in March when court officers went to evict the family from the Martin Luther King Apartments.

:o
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Post by: Syt on September 17, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
How did she kill them, and I'm surprised that there were 9 months between the killings - usually if someone goes berserk they (try to) kill all kids at the same time. And what did Stoni Blair do in the meantime? Was she ok with her sibling being murdered by Mom and stowed in a freezer?
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Post by: Savonarola on September 17, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 17, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
How did she kill them, and I'm surprised that there were 9 months between the killings - usually if someone goes berserk they (try to) kill all kids at the same time. And what did Stoni Blair do in the meantime? Was she ok with her sibling being murdered by Mom and stowed in a freezer?

It was a really horrific crime.  She had strangled both of them, one with a t-shirt and another one with a belt.  She had routinely abused them (and her two surviving children).  She got caught only because she was being evicted.
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Post by: Syt on September 17, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
Sheesh. :(
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Post by: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2015, 10:16:12 AM
Older kid must have had an interesting life for 9 months.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 06, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
Let the beheadings commence!

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Hamtramck elects first majority-Muslim City Council
Mark Hicks, The Detroit News 12:46 a.m. EST November 6, 2015
Saad Almasmari ran for a seat on the Hamtramck City Council this year with a simple yet powerful goal in mind.

"I like to serve my community," the 28-year-old Yemeni immigrant said. "I like everything in Hamtramck. ... The thing I like most in Hamtramck is the diversity."

On Tuesday, Almasmari earned the highest number of votes — 1,176, or 22 percent — among the six candidates who sought three, four-year terms on the council.

With his election, Muslims now fill four of the six seats on the panel, he said. It's now believed to be the first City Council in the country boasting a Muslim majority, said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter.

"The Michigan Muslim community is becoming more civicly and politically engaged," Walid said Thursday. "In some areas where Muslims are having an extremely difficult time, we are making progress in this area on a number of different fronts."

The shift in leadership is another signal that Hamtramck, once known as a predominately Polish Catholic community, has in recent years welcomed a more diverse demographic.

Muslims are "a significant population in the city and they've been arriving here and transforming the city for a generation now," said Sally Howell, a University of Michigan-Dearborn associate professor who has studied the group and written a book, "Old Islam in Detroit: Rediscovering the Muslim American Past."

"It's good to see them gain representation equal to their numbers on the City Council. That's a great opportunity for them and for the city to imagine a new future."

The election strides come after years of controversy. In 2013, the Al-Islah Islamic Center met resistance from Hamtramck's Zoning Board over its proposed remodeling of its building. And in 2004, some residents heatedly objected to an ordinance the council ultimately approved to allow mosques to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer onto public streets.

The U.S. Census Bureau doesn't track religion, but Howell estimates Hamtramck, which has around 22,000 residents, is roughly half Muslim. As Poles and others left the city in the last several decades, she said, it attracted many immigrants, including those from Yemen, Bangladesh and Bosnia. Between 1990 and 2000, the city's Arab population jumped more than fivefold, while its traditional Polish population dropped by more than a third.

"Hamtramck is famously a city that was known for being a real stronghold for the Polish community," Howell said. "Hamtramck was important to the Poles for the same reason it's important to these Muslim groups today in that they got to have a place where they could be the hegemonic voice. ... People were happy to have Hamtramck as a place that could really represent them. And I think that this is true today for the newer immigrants."

Almasmari relocated to the United States in 2009 and settled in Hamtramck, where his father-in-law lived. He gained citizenship in 2011 and is pursuing a degree in business administration from Wayne State University while running his own ice cream company.

Now on the council, he hopes to secure more financial resources for the city and push to revitalize the area around Jos. Campau.

Almasmari stresses that faith wasn't a selling point during the election campaign, and his three Muslim constituents — Mohammed Hassan, Anam Miah and Abu Musa — are focused on representing all Hamtramck residents.

"Although we are Muslims, we are going to serve everyone regardless of their religion, ethnicity or skin color," he said.

Hamtramck is one of two cities surrounded entirely by Detroit (the other being Highland Park.)  Historically it was the center of Eastern European immigration into Metro Detroit.  Today most immigrants from Eastern Europe move to the northeast suburbs.  The city has gone through a lot of changes since 90s; a lot of the old Polish restaurants and shops are gone (there are still a couple of hold-outs, and one of the bakeries there is *the* place to get a Pączki on Mardi Gras.)

It's interesting that this is the first place to have a Muslim majority city council; instead of the more traditional Arab immigrant cities of Dearborn and Dearborn Heigths.
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Post by: Archy on November 08, 2015, 03:53:02 PM
I wonder why so many Muslims move to the Detroit area.  Is it that they feel at home or that it's still better than the Middle East.?
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Post by: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2015, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: Archy on November 08, 2015, 03:53:02 PM
I wonder why so many Muslims move to the Detroit area.  Is it that they feel at home or that it's still better than the Middle East.?

Henry Ford shipped in a bunch of North Africans back in the day.

Cribbed from Sav.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 10, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on November 06, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
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Hamtramck elects first majority-Muslim City Council


This must be making the rounds on conservative talk radio, because one of my co-workers asked me about it.  He was worried about freedom of religion being suppressed.  I suspect that people who do fret about this have never actually been to a city council meeting.  What could possibly happen?

Ahmed:  If you do not approve the lot split for the property on Washington and Plum Street than I shall put a Fatwa on all of you.
Mahound:  If you put a Fatwa on me than I shall put a Jihad on you; not just you, but on your children and their children's children, verily unto the third generation there shall be Jihad
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Post by: Malthus on November 10, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on November 10, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on November 06, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
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Hamtramck elects first majority-Muslim City Council


This must be making the rounds on conservative talk radio, because one of my co-workers asked me about it.  He was worried about freedom of religion being suppressed.  I suspect that people who do fret about this have never actually been to a city council meeting.  What could possibly happen?

Ahmed:  If you do not approve the lot split for the property on Washington and Plum Street than I shall put a Fatwa on all of you.
Mahound:  If you put a Fatwa on me than I shall put a Jihad on you; not just you, but on your children and their children's children, verily unto the third generation there shall be Jihad
.

Well, I have heard in America there have ALREADY been ritual beheadings for violations of various HOA rules - and that's without any Muslims involved! So no wonder they worry about city council meetings.  ;)
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Post by: Savonarola on December 11, 2015, 10:15:32 AM
QuoteEx-star principal tells of her downfall in EAA scandal
Rochelle Riley, Detroit Free Press Columnist 9:24 a.m. EST December 11, 2015

The first time Kenyetta (K.C.) Wilbourn Snapp broke the law, she had been in a new job for less than a week.

It was 2009. She was in her first stint as a principal, and she was to run Denby High School, the city's worst-performing school that year. The Detroit native was eager to achieve — and eager to please.

"I was the first person to make it in my family, so everybody started coming around," she said. "My grandmother showed up and Food Services hired her.  ... Then comes my uncle tagging along and, I'm like, 'Do I have to give him a job?' "

She had no job available, so she asked her football coach to hire her uncle as an assistant. She paid him using funds from a DPS vendor. That vendor paid Snapp $750 every time she gave him the names of 20 students for a tutoring program. She said she doesn't know whether the program actually existed.

The second time she broke the law, she buried a student's mother. With school funds.

She knew it was illegal. But after the first few times, stealing became easy. Then it became routine. And Snapp, a beloved high school principal by day, became a savvy, well-connected crook around the clock.

"If you needed money, you could get money," Snapp, 40, told the Free Press in a series of exclusive interviews.

She accepted my call because I wrote the story six years ago of how she turned Denby around in 2009. She said she wanted to try to explain why she did what she did.

"There's a network," she said. "It's so deep."

If Kwame Kilpatrick is Detroit's greatest example of a municipal leader who forfeited a brilliant career to be a player,  Snapp, may become the poster child for a home-grown educator who squandered her career for money.

Snapp — who was indicted Thursday and recently told the Free Press that she agreed to plead guilty to charges of bribery and tax evasion in exchange for leniency — is at the heart of a federal corruption investigation into the Education Achievement Authority, the state reform district for the lowest-performing schools. The EAA oversees 15 schools in Detroit.

Federal authorities are examining relationships between school officials and vendors who appear to have been paid for work not done or work billed at rates much higher than contracted. Investigators have spent more than a year sifting through thousands of documents that portray a "family business" with employees helping vendors, vendors helping employees and everyone helping themselves.

Snapp was indicted along with Glynis Thornton, whose company, Making a Difference Everyday, was paid to provide after-school tutoring services for students at Denby and Mumford, where Snapp became principal in 2013, and Paulette Horton, an independent contractor connected to Thornton's company.

The three women were each charged with conspiracy to commit federal program bribery, federal program bribery, aiding and abetting and conspiracy to launder money. Snapp, in addition, was charged with federal tax evasion and Horton was charged with failure to file a federal income tax return.

When Snapp told the Free Press that she had funneled public school funds to nearly 1,000 consultants, local businesses, parents, family and friends, those muffled wails you heard across the city were the sounds of hope dying.

"Let me be honest, I benefited," she said. "I couldn't have $2,000 in my pocket from a vendor ... and not buy gas for the car."

That would be the red Maserati, a gift from a school vendor that became a red flag for federal investigators. After FBI agents raided her Detroit home a year ago, Snapp got rid of the car.

The investigation — and Snapp's comments — come as Gov. Rick Snyder attempts to remake Detroit's education system to improve student achievement.

Former emergency manager Robert Bobb, who was in charge of DPS when Snapp was running her operation, said he began to get phone calls as soon as the indictment was announced.

"I'm totally shocked, quite frankly," he said from Washington, D.C. "I'm shocked over the number of incidents that have happened in Detroit since I've been gone, particularly after I cracked down real hard on people."

He was referring to the nine defendants indicted four years ago for over-billing DPS for a sham wellness program to the tune of $3.3 million. Among them was Stephen Hill, a former executive director of the DPS Risk Management Department, and Sherry Washington, a Detroit art gallery owner. Of nine indicted defendants, one died, seven pleaded guilty, and Washington was convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison.

What is most shocking, Bobb said, is that anyone would continue to try to scam the district after those indictments.

"That really confirms what I felt early on and what people in the community told me Day One: 'Look out for the friends and family plan,' and the system itself was a pool of corruption."

Dreamed of teaching

Snapp is barely 5 feet tall. Barely. She says her height has always bothered her, it seemed something to overcome. But it didn't affect her dream of being a teacher.

"While most little girls played house, I played school," she said. "It was the foundation for my career path. My mother and godmother were both educators, and family members worked in ancillary roles within the school system ...

"Education was all that I knew."

It wasn't all she knew.

Snapp said her childhood was also filled with pain and loss — an eviction, homelessness, abuse.

Her family, she said, was like many in Detroit with "one foot in poverty and one in a quest for upward mobility."

After graduating from Martin Luther King Jr. High School, she earned a teaching certificate to get her first teaching job at Benedictine High School in 1996. Two years later, she was hired to teach social studies and English at Foch Middle School. In 2003, she moved to Brenda Scott Middle.

Two years later, she was hired as an assistant principal at Finney High, where she soon was noticed by Barbara Byrd-Bennett, an Ohio educator brought to DPS to tackle curricular improvements while emergency manager Bobb tried to pare down a budget deficit that had surpassed eight figures.

Snapp said one day she was called downtown to meet with Byrd-Bennett. She took a seat in her office to discuss a new job.

Byrd-Bennett told Snapp she wanted her to be principal of Denby High but wasn't convinced she could handle the job.

"She said, 'You're a little kid. How can you run a school?' And I said 'I can do this!' " Snapp recalled.

Snapp hit the ground running in 2009, gaining national attention as a stellar principal who turned around the city's worst high school. But, at the same time, she was gaining a local reputation as someone who could ghost-write masterful business plans and grant proposals. It was a little consulting business that turned into criminal operation.

Whenever she needed money for something — for school, for after school, for students or for herself, she just worked with vendors to get it. Soon when other principals needed favors, she alleges, she provided those, too.

Initially, Snapp said, she would ghostwrite business proposals for companies seeking contracts with the school district. Later, she began to hire people at Denby, and then at Mumford High, based on proposals she had ghostwritten.

That tracks with the information EAA officials gave to federal authorities.

Snapp also recalled planning a forum for Mumford's male students. She hired former NBA player Derrick Coleman to speak for a $3,000 fee. She had written the proposal he presented to get the job. But did she get a kickback?

"No," she said, "that greedy bastard didn't even pay me."

Coleman, reached Thursday evening, said it never happened.

"That's a blatant lie," he said.

Byrd-Bennett, the woman who hired Snapp, ultimately became chief of the Chicago Public Schools in 2012. Last October, Byrd-Bennett pleaded guilty to felony wire fraud after steering multimillion-dollar no-bid contracts to a former employer in exchange for $2.3 million.

After starting at Denby High, Snapp ran head-on into two truths: More than a third of Detroit residents were living in poverty, the highest of all cities in the U.S. with populations higher than 300,000.

"We're talking about systemic poverty and what does that look like?" she said. "Yes, I may have a Gucci bag or a pair of Cartier (glasses), but I don't have any money for an emergency. So what did I do? I buried the mama with federal money.

"I'd write more. I'd ask more. And I'd get more," she said.

No matter the intention, if her allegations are true or even partly true ... if corruption is a way of life, an accepted practice among some in the DPS and EAA school districts ... if the city schools have been, as we've suspected, little more than a bank for hundreds of people, then our greatest fears have been realized.

Learned to cheat

In one interview in person, Snapp was petulant and subdued and appeared to be stunned by her circumstances. At times forlorn, and at other times incredulous, she seemed not to understand why she was in trouble for doing something she said so many other people were doing.

She said she learned how to cheat from DPS educators.

It all began, she said, with the principal who gave her her first teaching job.

"I was her protégé," Snapp said. "She would give us gift cards and the best tickets to the Pistons, and we never knew where it came from. And anytime we wanted to buy something that the district denied, she said 'Here, take a Visa.' "

When that principal later died at her home, it was Snapp and her mother who found her body, she said.

"As I'm there . . . I saw gift cards, about $500 worth of gift cards. I used them to help pay for her funeral."

Snapp described how easy it was to make money. She mentioned one businessperson known as "the preferred vendor."

"If you spent a certain amount of money with him ... you'd get a rebate in points," she said.

At the end of every transaction, the vendor would say: 'Well, KC, you have about 500 points. How do you want to use them?'

"I'd say 'Give me some gift cards,' and I'd give them to my staff. Or he'd say, 'It's that time of year. Do you want Pistons tickets?' I gave them away."

It was at Mumford, now an EAA school to which she was assigned in 2013, that Snapp turned vendor spending into an art.

"When I got there, it was like 'Brewster's Millions'," Snapp said, referring to the 1995 Richard Pryor movie whose main character, Monty Brewster, must spend $30 million in 30 days to inherit $300 million.

Snapp went on a spree. "You have to spend almost a million dollars," she alleges that "officials" told her.

Federal prosecutors, who have declined to discuss the investigation, came after Snapp relentlessly, she said.

"They got on me because I was in bed with everybody."

Community leaders, including some of the coalition attempting to make things better, said they knew something was going on.

Tonya Allen, president and CEO of the Skillman Foundation,  said she, too, was approached by vendors who wanted to get into  DPS, charter schools and the EAA district.

"They come to me, and I can see that they're trying to curry favor," said Allen. "They're always looking for an entry point to get contracts with the district. I refuse to be anywhere near anything related to that. So yes, I did know it existed, but I've never been close enough to know what it looked like, how it occurred, how may people participated in it.

"One of the things I was really surprised by is that we don't have the systems in place to keep this from happening," she said. "I don't know if it's a role for the commission, but I wouldn't be surprised. We really underestimate how de-stabilized every school is, be it charter, traditional public or an EAA school."

Allen said that, in discussions with educators in DPS, they couldn't offer a vision for the future because they were stuck in their current environments. They didn't feel like they were being supported and they were concerned about mismanagement.

"It seemed like they felt powerless," Allen said. "I think none of us could imagine what kind of environment they're working in every day. I really don't think we can imagine it."

Allen said she didn't want Snapp's contention that she learned from other principals to taint the reputations of all principals.

"There are principals who support families, who pick children up, who pay for things, but they do it out of their pockets," she said. "She could have done that, too. This wasn't about her trying to help poor people. Don't cast that vision on people who are doing good work while underpaid with cut salaries and health care."

A role model

Several employees, parents and students have called Snapp a role model, a savior, a self-esteem builder; some wrote letters to the court asking for leniency.

And why shouldn't her supporters be loyal? The former principal used school funds for everything from teacher parties to prom gowns. She gave cash to staff members she felt didn't get paid enough, and she gave some to students when they asked.

Snapp became a bank. She said the lines between right and wrong got so blurred that soon she didn't bother to separate her money from school funds.

And while she declared several times in interviews that she was a Robin Hood figure, she forgot one simple fact:

Robin Hood was a thief.

"It was wrong, and I have to account for that," Snapp said. "I know it was wrong. But I know I helped a lot of people. I kept a lot of lights and gas going. When I'd drive down side streets and see big orange electric cords from one house to another, I had to help. I knew I was responsible for some things that might come back to haunt me."

Her attorney, William (Bill) Mitchell III, said Thursday that he and his client are awaiting a court date for her arraignment. He declined to discuss whether she still will be allowed to plead guilty for leniency in sentencing.

"She's made some statements, and I suppose several others have made statements," he said. "We'll see what happens. This is the beginning of a process, and we will seek the best possible resolution.  Clearly some of the things she's accused of will not be thought of favorably, but there are things that  she has done that are worthy."

Mitchell also declined to say whether there might be more indictments to come.

"That's really up to the government and they do what they do, and they do what they do in the privacy of government offices," he said. "I would not be surprised ... "

U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said she could neither confirm nor deny the ongoing investigation.

So Snapp waits. And the little girl who started high school at 12 and played teacher while other girls played with dolls, who did improve test scores, attendance and graduation rates at Denby and who did change students' lives, is no longer in charge — of her life or theirs.

We might not ever know what more she might have accomplished had she chosen an honest path.

"You could have knocked me down with a broken feather," a heartbroken Keith Johnson, former president of the Detroit Federation of Teachers and Snapp's mentor, said in an interview. "Her destiny was — I hate to say the sky's the limit — but I envisioned her as a superintendent, or ultimately as (U.S.) Secretary of Education. She's just that gifted an educator. If what is alleged and what she's admitted is true, it ends up pretty much destroying what had been a great career."

Snapp was once celebrated.

The next headlines will not be so kind.

She said she became Robin Hood.

That is not what the public will call her.

They will not care that she paid utility bills at students' homes without heat ... or boarded up houses across the street from the school ... or made sure every kid could attend the senior prom ... or helped keep a former student in college  ... or bury two students who were murdered or bought food for students who were hungry.

They will not care that the friends and family she hired at Denby were unemployed and suffering in the nation's poorest city or that she held a joint checking account with one student without family who now has a successful collegiate football career.

"It comes with being an urban principal," Snapp  said. "You get the job and everybody wants to come on board. Keith Johnson refers to it as poverty pimping. But me? I'm a sucker for the underdog."

While she admitted to breaking the law, she said she wants people to know why she did what she did.

"The first time I did it, I couldn't say no."

All she wanted to do was help people.  It's just a wacky coincidence that she ended up with a Maserati for herself.   ;)
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Post by: The Brain on December 11, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quoteit was like 'Brewster's Millions'," Snapp said, referring to the 1995 Richard Pryor movie

Fucking remakes. :angry:
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Post by: Savonarola on December 14, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
QuoteTake Toledo, please! Wait. It wasn't like that ...
By Kathleen Lavey, Lansing State Journal 12:47 p.m. EST December 14, 2015

Ah, Toledo. Home of the Mudhens. Maker of glass, builder of Jeeps, birthplace of Tony Packo's Café, where celebrities autograph hot dog buns.

It could have belonged to Michigan.

In fact, Ohio and Michigan went to war 180 years ago over a strip of land containing Toledo, which was not yet incorporated as a city.

"No shots were fired, but people were armed and ready to fight," said Sandra Clark, director of the Michigan Historical Center.

The 18-month conflict ended 179 years ago on Dec. 14, 1836, thanks to federal intervention.

Ohio got Toledo, Michigan got the upper hand, so to speak. The biggest loser? Wisconsin. But more about that later.

The Toledo War was waged over a 468-square-mile strip of land at the border between the two states.

On a frontier where trees and swamps impeded horses and wagons, water was the easiest way to travel. Both Ohio, already a state, and Michigan, a territory wishing to be a state, wanted Toledo's access to the nation's network of canals.

"At that point, everybody was thinking of water as a way you connect, and they're talking about a canal in the Maumee River that comes out of Toledo, which connects to the Ohio River, which connects to the Mississippi River," Clark said. "Nobody is thinking about the Great Lakes as having equal value for shipping."

Everybody at the time pretty much agreed that the Michigan-Ohio border would be an east-west line drawn from the southernmost point of Lake Michigan.

Except the land was surveyed a couple of times. And given the issues of traveling in a straight line around those aforementioned trees and swamps, the surveyors came out with different results.

And that created the disputed area, known as the Toledo Strip.

Ohio, admitted to the union as a state in 1803, claimed it. When leaders of the Michigan Territory decided to petition for statehood, they drew a map including the Toledo Strip.

The stalemate simmered through the summer of 1836, when President Andrew Jackson and Congress stepped in.

The feds were on Ohio's side. If Ohio wanted Toledo, Ohio would get Toledo.

Michigan's consolation prize: the western two-thirds of the Upper Peninsula, carved out of – you guessed it – the Wisconsin Territory.

"It's a lot of land, and this is 1836, and nobody realized what copper and iron were there," Clark said. "There was a lot of opposition to accepting it."

But Michigan's territorial leaders desperately wanted Michigan to become a state. There was federal money about to be distributed, and they wanted some of it. Michigan wanted its own representatives in Congress and its own Constitution.

They stood down. Toledo became Ohio's, and the whole Upper Peninsula became Michigan's.

Sorry, not sorry, Wisconsin.

The rush to prospect for copper in the U.P. began in 1841. Michigan's supply turned out to be among the purest in the world. The first shipment of iron ore left the U.P. in 1846, and they're still coming.

In the end, Clark said, "It was a very good deal."

This is one of the strangest chapters in the history of Michigan.  Both Michigan's territorial governor, Steven Mason, and Ohio's governor, Robert Lucas, raised militias.  The reason that Michigan was so eager for federal funds (and had to accept the deal) was that the territory faced bankruptcy due to the expense of their militia.
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Post by: Caliga on January 14, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Sav do you know the story about the late 19th century Mormon Kingdom on some island in Lake Michigan?  That one is pretty odd too.

Also, I'm disappointed no article in here about the leaden drinking water in Flint.  Come on dude, don't let us down. :)
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Post by: KRonn on January 15, 2016, 01:31:15 PM
I never knew about this dispute where Michigan got the upper peninsula, but Wisconsin lost a lot of land from the deal.
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Post by: Malthus on January 20, 2016, 11:33:45 AM
Anyone following the lead in the city of Flint's water supply case? Seems a startling bit of civic dysfunction.  :hmm:
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Post by: The Brain on January 20, 2016, 12:29:05 PM
Water Supply sucks.
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Post by: Ed Anger on January 20, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 20, 2016, 11:33:45 AM
Anyone following the lead in the city of Flint's water supply case? Seems a startling bit of civic dysfunction.  :hmm:

Local government generally sucks.
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Post by: HisMajestyBOB on January 21, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 20, 2016, 11:33:45 AM
Anyone following the lead in the city of Flint's water supply case? Seems a startling bit of civic dysfunction.  :hmm:

Local government generally sucks.

Except it wasn't the local government that made this decision. Governor Snyder appointed an emergency manager to run the city without accountability and he made the decision. Now dozens of children are crippled from lead poisoning, people's homes are worthless and their lives are ruined, but the Governor got to save a few million dollars and the emergency manager collected a fat paycheck, so it all evens out!
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Post by: HisMajestyBOB on January 21, 2016, 12:08:24 AM
And Republican politicians are claiming it's a hoax: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/20/why-some-michigan-politicians-say-the-flint-water-crisis-is-a-hoax/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news

Obviously lead poisoning is just as fake as climate change!
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Post by: Jacob on January 21, 2016, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on January 21, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
Except it wasn't the local government that made this decision. Governor Snyder appointed an emergency manager to run the city without accountability and he made the decision. Now dozens of children are crippled from lead poisoning, people's homes are worthless and their lives are ruined, but the Governor got to save a few million dollars and the emergency manager collected a fat paycheck, so it all evens out!

It's pretty disgusting.
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Post by: HisMajestyBOB on January 21, 2016, 12:27:05 AM
Don't worry about the former Flint Emergency Manager (Darnell Early): he's now taking good care of the Detroit Public Schools
http://usuncut.com/class-war/detroit-teachers-want-you-to-see-these-disturbing-photos/
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Post by: jimmy olsen on March 13, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Folks running the jail should be prosecuted

http://mic.com/articles/134549/inmates-jailed-in-flint-forced-to-drink-shower-in-toxic-water#.WO75ELLWx
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Post by: Admiral Yi on March 13, 2016, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on January 21, 2016, 12:27:05 AM
Don't worry about the former Flint Emergency Manager (Darnell Early): he's now taking good care of the Detroit Public Schools
http://usuncut.com/class-war/detroit-teachers-want-you-to-see-these-disturbing-photos/

Where would a person better suited for the job find the money?  Would he cut other services or raise taxes?
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Post by: Eddie Teach on March 13, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
Detroit needs state and federal money to function because for decades anyone of means has left the city, but hundreds of thousands have been stuck.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
QuoteBribery charges against 13 Detroit principals a 'punch in the gut'
Dana Ford-Profile-Image
By Dana Ford, CNN
Updated 8:54 PM ET, Tue March 29, 2016 | Video Source: WDIV

(CNN)Thirteen current or former principals with the Detroit Public Schools system were charged with bribery Tuesday in an alleged kickback scheme, which couldn't have come at a worse time for the troubled school district.

In addition, a DPS vendor -- identified as Norman Shy, 74, owner of Allstate Sales -- was charged. He is accused of being at the center of the criminal activity.

Authorities say the scheme basically boiled down to this: Shy paid bribes and kickbacks to principals so they would allow their schools to be charged for supplies that were never delivered.

Chairs. Teaching materials. Paper. The very things that students need to learn and schools need to function remained, frustratingly, out of reach.

But at the same time the school district cried poor, principals are accused of having lined their personal pockets.

"To hear this is just another slap in the face," DPS parent John Wills told CNN affiliate WDIV. "We've been robbed blind."

Shy allegedly paid the principals a total of $900,000. In exchange, he received payments from the school system for $5 million, of which officials believe $2.7 million was fraudulent.

The bribery is said to have started in 2002 and continued until January 2015.

"The real victims in a case like this, of course, are the students and the families who attend Detroit Public Schools -- the teachers, the educators who really want to make a difference in the lives of Detroit Public School children," said U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Barbara McQuade.

"A case like this is a real punch in the gut for those who are trying to do the right thing."

'Cannot overstate the outrage'

Of the 13 Detroit Public School officials charged, seven are former school principals; six are still working in that capacity. One of the former principals is now an assistant superintendent.

Included among those implicated is Ronald Alexander, principal of Spain Elementary-Middle School. His alleged involvement is notable because the school was recently tapped by Ellen DeGeneres to receive half a million dollars in donations.
Ellen DeGeneres donates $500,000 to school

The talk show host announced that the Lowe's chain of home-improvement stores would donate $500,000 toward repairing the school, including $50,000 in new computers and a $100 Visa gift card to every teacher and staff member.

CNN toured Spain Elementary-Middle School before DeGeneres stepped in, and to say the conditions there were lacking is an understatement.

Children played in the hallway because the gym floor was warped from rain damage and torn up on one side. Clouds of steam poured into the playground, making that area unsafe, too.

One teacher complained of mice, roaches and bedbugs. The school nurse considered the impact on students' health, saying dry air in the building and changes in temperature were making the students sick.

"I cannot overstate the outrage that I feel about the conduct that these DPS employees engaged in that led to these charges," Detroit Public Schools Transition Manager Judge Steven Rhodes said in a statement Tuesday, after the charges against the principals were made public.

"This behavior is absolutely unacceptable and will never be tolerated. Illegal behavior of any kind will result in immediate suspension and possible termination."

He announced a series of immediate changes to help ensure that such conduct is not repeated. They include the suspension of all purchases by individual schools, a review of all school-based vendor contracts and the recruitment of an independent auditor.
Detroit Public Schools suspended business with Shy and all of his companies.

'Easy to get caught'

McQuade recognized during her news conference that accusations of public corruption never come at a good time. Still, it's coming at a particularly bad time for Detroit Public Schools.
In addition to dealing with poor conditions at its schools, the system is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and being sued by the union.

This month, there were threats of a sickout. Although it didn't materialize, a sickout is a way for teachers to protest working conditions, dilapidated facilities and inadequate funding.

Embattled Gov. Rick Snyder, who is also dealing with the fallout from the Flint water crisis, said in his State of the State address that the city's schools are in a crisis.

The school system was previously under the supervision of an emergency manager appointed by Snyder, Darnell Earley.
Earley, who was also Flint's emergency manager from 2013 to 2015, resigned last month.

McQuade said Tuesday that if there is a message to be taken from the kickback case, she hopes it will be one of accountability.

"It may seem easy to take a bribe but, I'll tell you what, it's also easy to get caught," she said. "And we will catch you."

A mere 14 years later...

It's interesting that CNN refers to the former Emergency Manager, Darnell Earley, as "Emergency Manager," but the current one, Stephen Rhodes is called a "Transition Manager."
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Post by: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 13, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
Detroit needs state and federal money to function because for decades anyone of means has left the city, but hundreds of thousands have been stuck.

The schools are in a different position than the city; the state divides money on a per student basis.  (Kwame would pull his sons out of private school on count day and have them attend public school in order for the school system to receive additional money.)  The problem with the school system (besides fraud) is that it is sized for a much larger city.  Both the school board and the subsequent emergency managers seem to agree that the school system needs to consolidate schools, sell off unneeded property, lay off non teaching support staff and reduce the number of administrators; but what schools get closed and who gets laid off?  Even the emergency managers, thus far, have avoided making hard decisions like that.
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Post by: celedhring on March 30, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
I just saw Detroit's motto. Were the authors prescient or has it been adopted recently?
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Post by: Valmy on March 30, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
I just saw Detroit's motto. Were the authors prescient or has it been adopted recently?

No it was adopted in 1805 after the city burned to the ground. So see? Being a disaster zone is not new for Detroit.
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Post by: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
I just saw Detroit's motto. Were the authors prescient or has it been adopted recently?

No it was adopted in 1805 after the city burned to the ground. So see? Being a disaster zone is not new for Detroit.

The city too tough to die.   :)
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Post by: Malthus on March 30, 2016, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
I just saw Detroit's motto. Were the authors prescient or has it been adopted recently?

No it was adopted in 1805 after the city burned to the ground. So see? Being a disaster zone is not new for Detroit.

The city too tough to die.   :)

I've had weeds like that.  :hmm:
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Post by: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
All jokes aside, though, Detroit is much better today than it's been since I started living in the area in 1994.  Even five years ago the downtown area was deserted on weeknights; today there's a decent crowd every night of the week.

The school system is a major stumbling block, of course.  In addition to the financial situation; the students consistently under-perform.  While college students and young professionals have started to move back into the city; families aren't going to move back until that improves.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 07, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Shameless Plug:

Ferndale's 'Valentine Vodka' named the best in the world (http://www.clickondetroit.com/business/ferndales-valentine-vodka-named-the-best-in-the-world)

Glorious Detroit suburb of Ferndalistan produces world's best vodka.  Putin cries self to sleep, saying "But their blini no good."
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Post by: Savonarola on April 25, 2016, 03:07:25 PM
I was in the D last week.  As I was driving around I came across a billboard with a nubile, young, white woman on it which read "Consent if you don't get it, you don't get it."  The billboard wasn't located near one of the universities; instead it was in one of the rougher African American neighborhoods in the city.  Thank you PSA people, you've done so much to reverse long standing stereotypes.
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Post by: jimmy olsen on April 26, 2016, 02:59:28 AM
:face:
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Post by: KRonn on April 26, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
All jokes aside, though, Detroit is much better today than it's been since I started living in the area in 1994.  Even five years ago the downtown area was deserted on weeknights; today there's a decent crowd every night of the week.

The school system is a major stumbling block, of course.  In addition to the financial situation; the students consistently under-perform.  While college students and young professionals have started to move back into the city; families aren't going to move back until that improves.

Baby steps, but at least some progress.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on April 27, 2016, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 26, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
All jokes aside, though, Detroit is much better today than it's been since I started living in the area in 1994.  Even five years ago the downtown area was deserted on weeknights; today there's a decent crowd every night of the week.

The school system is a major stumbling block, of course.  In addition to the financial situation; the students consistently under-perform.  While college students and young professionals have started to move back into the city; families aren't going to move back until that improves.

Baby steps, but at least some progress.  :)

Heh, my brother used to say (about Detroit) if it was 40 miles into the woods, it's going to be 40 miles out of the woods.  (Though that was in the Kwame years, before anyone realized he was taking Detroit another 20 miles into the woods.   ;))
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Post by: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2016, 11:07:23 PM
Holy shit! That's crazy even by Detroit standards!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/09/lawsuit_accuses_flint_mayor_of_diverting_water_crisis_donations_into_campaign.html
QuoteLawsuit Accuses Flint Mayor of Diverting Water Crisis Donations Into Campaign Account

By Elliot Hannon


There's a lot of blame to go around for the Flint water crisis, but a federal lawsuit filed Monday against the city's mayor claims even attempts to make things right have been fraught with mismanagement and corruption. The suit was filed by former city administrator Natasha Henderson, who alleges she was wrongfully fired from her post in February after she tried to initiate an investigation into Flint Mayor Karen Weaver after she learned Weaver was allegedly diverting funds earmarked for water crisis charities into a campaign account.


From the Detroit Free Press:
QuoteThe suit alleges that Weaver directed a city employee and volunteer to steer donors away from a charity called Safe Water/Safe Homes, and instead give money to the so-called "Karenabout Flint" fund, which was a political action committee or campaign fund created at Weaver's direction. According to the lawsuit, a city employee told Henderson in confidence that she and a volunteer had previously been directing donors to the City of Flint's website, where they could give money to the Safe Water/Safe Homes charity, which helped families affected by the water crisis. But Weaver directed them to steer donors to the "Karenabout Flint" website, which the city council had not approved, the suit claims.

Henderson was hired in 2014 as the city's administrator, the highest ranking unelected post in the city. Three days after Henderson reported the alleged violation to the city's chief legal counsel, she was fired. The suit claims that Mayor Weaver told Henderson that the state no longer had the budget to fund her position; Henderson informed her the city administrator job is funded by the city, not the state. "The mayor and city staff do not comment on pending litigation," a city spokeswoman said.

Elliot Hannon is a writer in New York City. Follow him on Twitter

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Post by: Eddie Teach on May 10, 2016, 12:43:17 AM
I'm confused. They say the money was "earmarked" for water crisis charities which suggests it was tax money, but then talk about steering donors away. If all she's doing is asking for campaign donations, it's misuse of the city employee's time, but that's small potatoes for Detroit. If there's some kind of misrepresentation about the fund, the article doesn't make that clear.
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Post by: Savonarola on May 10, 2016, 12:30:24 PM
Flint and Detroit aren't at all the same.  Flint is about 60 miles from Detroit; it's in a different Basic Trading Area (BTA), has its own suburbs and (the very definition of culture in Michigan and Ohio) its own unique style of chili for hot dogs.

I'd advise caution before leaping to conclusions on this story; Henderson might not be anything more than a disgruntled bureaucrat.
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Post by: Savonarola on June 07, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
I have a cousin, originally from northern Michigan, who wants to take part in the Detroit Renaissance (Huzzah!)  He attended law school at Wayne State University, lives in mid-town Detroit and works for Legal Aid in the city.  His girlfriend works for a conglomeration of Detroit based charities called Focus Hope.  As he and his girlfriend were driving home from his (and my) grandfather's home (in Dearborn, Michigan) he got his window shot out.  He pulled over to the shoulder, and the car with the shooter pulled over in front of them and started backing up.  My cousin pulled back out on the highway, hit it, and made it back home safely.  He and his girlfriend are reconsidering some life decisions right now.

This happened in the early evening, and right on one of the interstates; so I may have been a little over-optimistic in trumpeting Detroit's comeback.
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Post by: Phillip V on June 07, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 07, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
I have a cousin, originally from northern Michigan, who wants to take part in the Detroit Renaissance (Huzzah!)  He attended law school at Wayne State University, lives in mid-town Detroit and works for Legal Aid in the city.  His girlfriend works for a conglomeration of Detroit based charities called Focus Hope.  As he and his girlfriend were driving home from his (and my) grandfather's home (in Dearborn, Michigan) he got his window shot out.  He pulled over to the shoulder, and the car with the shooter pulled over in front of them and started backing up.  My cousin pulled back out on the highway, hit it, and made it back home safely.  He and his girlfriend are reconsidering some life decisions right now.

This happened in the early evening, and right on one of the interstates; so I may have been a little over-optimistic in trumpeting Detroit's comeback.

Any motive for the shooter, was it just random? :wacko:
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Post by: Savonarola on June 07, 2016, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on June 07, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
Any motive for the shooter, was it just random? :wacko:

The police haven't caught the shooter, so they don't know.  My cousin didn't know the person who shot at him.
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Post by: The Brain on June 07, 2016, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 07, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
I have a cousin, originally from northern Michigan, who wants to take part in the Detroit Renaissance (Huzzah!)  He attended law school at Wayne State University, lives in mid-town Detroit and works for Legal Aid in the city.  His girlfriend works for a conglomeration of Detroit based charities called Focus Hope.  As he and his girlfriend were driving home from his (and my) grandfather's home (in Dearborn, Michigan) he got his window shot out.  He pulled over to the shoulder, and the car with the shooter pulled over in front of them and started backing up.  My cousin pulled back out on the highway, hit it, and made it back home safely.  He and his girlfriend are reconsidering some life decisions right now.

This happened in the early evening, and right on one of the interstates; so I may have been a little over-optimistic in trumpeting Detroit's comeback.

Scary. :o
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Post by: jimmy olsen on June 08, 2016, 04:54:31 AM
Holy shit that's scary Sav. Let's hope that was a random act of opportunity and he won't run into that guy again.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 24, 2016, 02:14:10 PM
Headlines from Detroit:

I can't go to jail for bribery because mom needs me (http://www.freep.com/story/news/2016/08/24/dps-principal-cant-go-jail-bribery-my-mom-truly-needs-me/89260418/)
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Post by: The Brain on August 24, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
How the fuck do you go to jail for bribery?
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Post by: Eddie Teach on August 24, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 24, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
How the fuck do you go to jail for bribery?

You get caught.
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Post by: dps on August 24, 2016, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 24, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
How the fuck do you go to jail for bribery?

You get caught.

I.e., the bribe wasn't big enough.
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Post by: Savonarola on August 24, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
Heh, this was part of a racket involving about a dozen principals.  While fraud is hardly unknown at the Detroit Public Schools, this is the first time a case has been brought forth that had a large number of conspirators.  Usually it's just a lone perpetrator (though some have stolen an extraordinary amount of money.)
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Post by: Savonarola on August 27, 2016, 08:39:43 AM
Strip clubs are permitted in Wayne County Michigan (where Detroit is) but not northern suburb Oakland and Macomb counties.  Consequently many strip clubs are located on the Detroit side of 8 Mile Road which is the border between the city and the vanilla suburbs.  One of the largest is called "Trumpps' (spelled like that to avoid lawsuits.)  I was wondering if this current campaign season has helped their business.  (Probably, a couple others have shut down, but they're still open.)
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Post by: Savonarola on August 30, 2016, 06:32:51 PM
Say what you like about the man; at least he kept it real:

'Our hero': Detroit parents want convicted principal back (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/08/30/detroit-parents-convicted-principal-hero/89580850/)

:frusty:
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Post by: Savonarola on August 31, 2016, 05:06:00 PM
And in today's least surprising headline:

Report details new fraud, theft in Detroit schools (http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2016/08/31/dps-detroit-public-schools-fraud/89647320/)

The article goes into the reason why there has been such an extraordinary uptick in fraud allegations now.  The school systems first emergency manager (in 2009) instituted an Office of the Inspector General.  Just over a year ago that was closed down by the previous emergency manager as a cost cutting measure.  The thieves in the school system were quite busy over the past year and when current emergency manager reopened the office there was a large backlog (the same thing happened in 2009.)

The fraud perpetrated by the principals predates the State of Michigan taking over the school system and continued throughout the Emergency Managers.
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Post by: KRonn on September 01, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
Taking money from a struggling and bankrupt city and school system should earn those crooks extra time in prison making little rocks out of big ones. 
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Post by: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 31, 2016, 05:06:00 PM
Just over a year ago that was closed down by the previous emergency manager as a cost cutting measure.

Yeah I bet :lol:
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Post by: Savonarola on September 04, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
When I was last in Detroit I saw the Edsel and Elanor Ford House in Grosse Pointe Shores.  I had never been there before.  I had been to the Henry Ford Estate, Fair Lane, which is smaller than the Edsel and Elanor Ford House, and dark and gloomy.  The Edsel and Elanor Ford House is much more impressive.  Edsel traveled to Europe with his wife and Detroit's most prolific architect, Albert Kahn, to get ideas for his house.  What he created was an enormous stone cottage from the Cotswolds.  The interior ranges from English manor house, to French Chateau to Art Deco.  Despite its size it seems quite livable, at least as compared to many of the other rich man's mansions I've seen.  (In part that's because Edsel had a young family and in part because (unlike many mansions I've seen) it was a permanent home, not a gilded age palace to be enjoyed for a six week season of the year.)

Edsel Ford was a lover of art and had quite a sense of style (something which annoyed Henry to no end; but was reflected in the late 20s and 30s era Fords.)  The mansion is filled with objet d'art ranging from Fra Angelico paintings, to Persian pottery to Van Goghs.  Today they're mostly replicas, the real ones are in the Detroit Institute of Arts, but in his lifetime they were all authentic.

There was a 3/4 size house that Clara Ford (Henry's wife) had built for Josephine Ford (her Granddaughter.)  Everything in it works including the sinks and the light.  Clara thought that playing house would help Josephine develop into a proper young lady; but Josephine preferred horseback riding.

There was a little exhibit on the grounds about women and driving; I learned that Edsel's wife Elanor never drove a car (her son, Henry Ford II, had a custom Lincoln built for her with an extra tall ceiling so she could get in without removing her hat,) but his mother, Clara, did.

Edsel is unfortunately remembered as the name of Ford's notorious failure; but that had nothing to do with Edsel Ford.  He had died in 1943, fifteen years before the Edsel.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 04, 2016, 05:02:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 31, 2016, 05:06:00 PM
Just over a year ago that was closed down by the previous emergency manager as a cost cutting measure.

Yeah I bet :lol:

He's the same guy who was the EM of Flint and made the decisions that touched off the water crisis.  He could be crooked (it's not unheard of, one of the EMs of Highland Park was on the take), but he seems more like the epitome of penny-wise and pound-foolish.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 04, 2016, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: KRonn on September 01, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
Taking money from a struggling and bankrupt city and school system should earn those crooks extra time in prison making little rocks out of big ones.

You'd hope so, but they're probably going to Club Fed.  Monica Conyers described her hardships there; sometimes they ran out of dessert.   :(
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Post by: Savonarola on October 06, 2016, 11:45:18 AM
I saw the Holocaust Memorial Center in Farmington Hills (a suburb of Detroit) a few weeks back.  The museum focuses almost entirely on the Jewish experience and only has a single placard each for Jehovah's Witnesses, The Polish Intelligentsia, Gypsies and Homosexuals (which wasn't much of a surprise as Farmington Hills is a largely Jewish area of Detroit.)  The entire first floor describes Jewish culture from biblical times to present.  Then the lower floor tells the story of anti-Semitism in the entre-deux-guerres period, the rise of Hitler and ultimately the Holocaust.  The museum is fairly clinical until the end of the exhibition where they have the scenes of the camps' liberation shown on multiple screens.

There's an exhibition targeted for children next.  At one point they discuss the ills of nationalism; but they define "Nation" as an American would, rather than pointing out that the "National" in National Socialism referred to an ethnic group, not a country.  (Not that it's right to hate citizens of another country, it just misses the point of what the Nazis were up to.)

At the very end there was a legacy section.  They had a list of apologies from various groups for their actions during the Holocaust.  Most were church groups or things like that.  Some though were a little strange.  Denmark has issued an apology for its role in the Holocaust  :huh:.  The New York Times also issued an apology for not making the Holocaust page one news (even though at the time only the perpetrators knew the extent of the crimes against humanity and, of course, there was a world war going on.)

Even with its flaws, I thought the memorial was well done.  Its a place where children can visit, though be careful on the one room with the scenes of the liberation; those are quite graphic.
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Post by: Savonarola on November 04, 2016, 12:37:28 PM
It's time to make Detroit great again:

Clemency for Kwame Kilpatrick. He was wrong but 28 years is too excessive. (https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-clemency-for-kwame-kilpatrick-he-was-wrong-but-28-years-is-too-excessive)

(https://assets.change.org/photos/4/ch/dm/hncHDMLDJLAnmwi-800x450-noPad.jpg?1467078396)

QuoteDear President Obama,

As a native Detroiter, I am well aware of the things that Mr. Kwame Kilpatrick has done wrong. I believe he should pay for his wrong doings but 28 years in prison is just too excessive.  Prior to you Mr. Obama, I had not believed a black man could be President until I saw how Kwame galvanized the City of Detroit and without his mistakes the sky could have been the limit for him. He gave the city hope again, brought investments in and he truly did make a positive impact in a community that had been headed for destruction since the 50's because labor costs, white flight and the decline of the Big 3 automotive companies. I recognize that yes, Kwame is not without fault and has done wrong and should have to pay for what he has done, but let us remember that we are not talking about a career criminal. We are talking about a man with multiple degrees who rose to Mayor in one of the Major cities in the country when he could have fled the ruins of Detroit and taken his talents to Washington or the private sector. Instead he took the rains of a sinking ship and did a better job than anyone could have expected.  I plead with you to support change for Kwame.  This is yet another extremely intelligent black man that we are going to allow to rot away in prison.  Instead he could be released and given the opportunity to work for the State and City government to educate young politicians on the slippery slope of corruption which every Senator, Congressmen, State Rep, Governor, Mayor, Aldermen and City Council member face everyday.  Everyday one of these elected officials is walking a tight rope in between what is considered politics and what is considered racketeering and corruption. Pull Kwame out of prison and let him use his mind, his heart and his voice to shield other young politicians, black men and women away from the unfortunate trap he fell into.  Yes people were hurt, yes people were mad but I have forgiven him and others will as well.  Everyone deserves a second chance and I believe the City of the Detroit will be a better place with OUR Son out of prison and back home doing the work to rebuild his family, city and his reputation.  Kwame is just too smart to be in prison and it is a disservice and an atrocity to lock him away for that long.  His wife and children are barely surviving. They are being watched and hunted down by the government for any money or help they receive.  It's wrong and it needs to be made right.  This is my final point.  President Obama you recently pardoned some people who actually sold drugs and were caught.  The reason you pardoned them was because even though they sold drugs, the sentences they were given were too excessive. One of the people pardoned happens to be Denver Bronco's Demaryius Thomas' mother.  This is a quote from the White House post the pardon " These unduly harsh sentences are one of the reasons the President is committed to using all the tools at his disposal to remedy unfairness in our criminal justice system. Today, he is continuing this effort by granting clemency to 46 men and women, nearly all of whom would have already served their time and returned to society if they were convicted of the exact same crime today." Even though Kwame was at fault while Mayor of Detroit....28 years is too excessive.  There are too many black men in prison to date. Many if who were released may or may not make an impact.  Let's not keep a GOOD one in there for 28 years. Kwame can make an impact on SO many people the day he walks out of prison.  Thank you in advance for your support and peace be with you for reading.
Very Respectfully,

The People for the release of Kwame Kilpatrick

This petition will be delivered to:
President
Barack Obama

First Lady of the United States
Michelle Obama

The rains of a sinking ship?   :huh:
The city of the Detroit?   :huh:
How can Kwame not be a career criminal?  He clocked in every morning and committed crimes; often working more than an eight hour day just to get all the crime in.
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Post by: The Brain on November 05, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Kwame??!?
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Post by: Syt on November 05, 2016, 11:33:32 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 05, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Kwame??!?

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Post by: Savonarola on December 16, 2016, 04:51:37 PM
Detroit used to have this really sleazy city clerk named Jackie Currie.  The city clerk is responsible for running elections.  She'd do things like keep voters on the register long after they had moved out of the city or had died; mass mailed absentee ballots to people who hadn't requested them; or had workers in her department suggest candidates to seniors they were assisting.  All those violated Michigan's voting laws.  She even defied a judges orders to stop the mass mailings and remove the dead people from the voter registry claiming that it was racist (the Judge was black) and was a ploy by Republicans to disenfranchise Detroiters.

These stories became so persistent and so high profile that even she couldn't make enough ballots to stay in office and got thrown out in 2005.  She was replaced by the current City Clerk, Janice Winfrey.  There has still been some shenanigans during her tenure (like the time a truck carrying ballots was discovered in an abandoned warehouse after the election was certified), but for the most part the elections seemed to be honest (or at least honest by Detroit standards.)

With the recount, though, it was found that almost 60% of precincts reported ballot discrepancies.  At first this was blamed aging voting machines (http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/).  That wasn't implausible, since Detroit has had other priorities than buying new election machines in the past decade; but the story has started to change and now its a mixture of old voting machines and incompetent poll workers. (http://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2016/12/15/riley-after-election-problems-detroit-get-new-voting-machines/95451122/)  Again that isn't at all implausible; regular city workers aren't usually overly competent, much less a group hired for the day; but when the official story starts changing that's not usually a good sign in Detroit. 
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Post by: KRonn on December 16, 2016, 07:06:32 PM
  These stories became so persistent and so high profile that even she couldn't make enough ballots to stay in office and got thrown out in 2005. 

Lol.   :D
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Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 03, 2017, 09:47:22 PM
So much Detroit in this story. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/30/mummified-body-detroit/96008390/)

Quote from: USA Today Network Elisha Anderson, Detroit Free Press
DETROIT — A man interested in purchasing a property in the city about three blocks south of its border with Warren, Mich., discovered a car with a decomposed and mummified body inside the garage.

Officers, who were called around 1 p.m. ET Thursday to the 19900 block of Spencer Avenue, said the body was inside a 1990 or 1991 Plymouth Acclaim, said Officer Dan Donakowski, a  Detroit police spokesman.

Tenants who lived at a home on the property told police that the owner said they couldn't use the garage, so they never went inside, Donakowski said.

One three-bedroom, one-bath house on the block lined with Cape Code, bungalow and Tudor-inspired brick homes that were built in the early 1950s is listed for sale at $27,000. Many have detached garages.

No one knew mummified woman was dead 5 years

It's unclear how and when the person in the car died, but Donakowski said the body had been there "for quite some time."

At this point, medical examiners don't know whether the body is male or female, said Lloyd Jackson, Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office spokesman.

"It's badly decomposed," he said. "And it's mummified."

Police: Woman left mom's body in bed since 2010

The body has been inspected, but an autopsy won't to be performed until next week when an anthropologist comes in, Jackson said.

Earlier this year, a partially mummified body of a Donald Smith, 78, was discovered in July in his Hazel Park, Mich., home. And in 2014, a repairman found the mummified body of Pia Farrenkopf, 44, in her Pontiac, Mich., home when he was hired to do work after a bank foreclosed on it.

1990 Plymouth Acclaim, 27k house, mummified corpses in foreclosed homes, dead people just left in bed.

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For all your burial needs.



Quote from: USA Today Network JC Reindl, Detroit Free Press

DETROIT — A University of Michigan anthropologist is to perform an autopsy Tuesday on the mummified and unidentified remains discovered last week in the garage of a Detroit house.

The body is so decayed that a specialist is needed to discern its gender and age as well as the cause of death, said Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office spokesman Lloyd Jackson.

"They don't know the sex or approximate age, so that's why they need an anthropologist," Jackson said Monday.

Prospective homebuyer finds mummified body in garage

The decomposed body was found Thursday face down in the backseat of an early 1990s Plymouth Acclaim inside the garage. Authorities have described the finding as a skeleton of brown, leathery bones dressed in pants, shirt and a sweater.

The discovery was made by a man interested in buying the residential property who was checking out its detached garage. The garage is behind the two-story bungalow on the 19900 block of Spencer.

Tenants who lived at the home told police that the property's owner said they couldn't use the garage, so they never went inside.

A woman who answered the front door of the house on Monday declined to comment for this story.

A nearby resident said she was shocked to hear of the discovery and has no idea whose body it could be. The resident, who only gave her name as Cookie, said that until last week she had never seen the garage open or noticed any sort of odd behaviors or smells emanating from inside.

The neighbor recalled how her dogs did inexplicably start barking for a period of time, but she isn't certain whether the barking was related to the body decomposing in the nearby garage. The neighbor described the house's previous occupants before the current tenants as a mother and son who moved out about four or five years ago.

Property records show the house and garage on Spencer last sold for $21,000 in 1986 and is in the name of Emanuel Martinez, who also is listed with an address in Warren. Attempts by the Free Press to reach Martinez were unsuccessful.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Plymouth Acclaim.  Last of the K-car influenced models.  A fitting frame for old people found dead.
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Post by: 11B4V on January 03, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Plymouth Acclaim.  Last of the K-car influenced models.  A fitting frame for old people found dead.

When I was married to the Wicked Witch of the Southeast, my mother in law had a '74 olds delta 88 with the 455 that we borrowed a couple of times. That was a car.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2017, 02:28:49 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 03, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
my mother in law had a '74 olds delta 88 with the 455 that we borrowed a couple of times. That was a car.

Yes, yes it was.  Always loved those.  I believe it qualified as its own frigate class.
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Post by: Syt on January 04, 2017, 03:04:36 AM
Coming soon for PS4, written by David Cage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit:_Become_Human
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Post by: Savonarola on September 21, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
Detroit has changed a great deal in the post-bankruptcy world.  There are food co-ops, grocery stores and even a Whole Foods in the city; while there weren't even grocery stores between the riots and just before bankruptcy.  When I was last in Detroit I got groceries in the city.  I could tell the effects of the former food desert; I had to tell the cashier (who was my age, but new on the job) what my produce was.  He had never seen fresh peas or fresh sweet potatoes before.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 23, 2017, 05:34:02 PM
Today CB and I went to a lecture at the Foosaner Art Museum here in Melbourne, Florida.  The current exhibition is women artists from the permanent collection.  It's not a great exhibition, their permanent collection isn't all that good (usually they use the museum space displays traveling exhibitions.)  The woman delivering the lecture was Vera Sattler, a local artist who makes glass fish (http://www.verarsattlerglassart.com/glassfish.html).

As it turns out she emigrated to the United States from West Germany in the 1950s and worked for the Detroit Stained Glass Company until it closed in 1970.  After it closed she continued to make stained glass with her partner, Leo Weeg.  They didn't have a kiln, so they would break into the closed Detroit Stained Glass Company, climb up the elevator shaft with bundles of newspaper and fire the glass (wrapping it in newspaper after it had come out of the kiln so it didn't cool down too quickly.)

That wasn't the most Detroit thing I have ever heard (Kwame running the city government from jail takes that honor) but it's pretty close.
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Post by: Savonarola on September 26, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
The Mayor of Detroit from 1974 to 1994 was Coleman Young.  His son, Coleman Young Jr. is running for mayor this year against The White Man Michael Duggan.  His motto:

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So, when I was last in Detroit, I opened a crack house.  Everyone is talking about gentrification; I'm doing something about it. 
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Post by: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Don't fix up the crack house too much or you'll be part of the problem.
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Post by: Malthus on September 26, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Don't fix up the crack house too much or you'll be part of the problem.

It will look like more of a cocaine house.
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Post by: Savonarola on December 04, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
I was back at Detroit's Eastern Market last week.  As always there were empty liquor bottles strewn along the sidewalks; only this time they were Patron.  Gentrification has really gotten out of hand.
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Post by: KRonn on December 04, 2018, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on December 04, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
I was back at Detroit's Eastern Market last week.  As always there were empty liquor bottles strewn along the sidewalks; only this time they were Patron.  Gentrification has really gotten out of hand.

Hehe.  :)
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Post by: Savonarola on July 23, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
The Jew may steal our land; he may take our goats; he may murder our children; but he shall never serve us hamburgers!

From the FREEP: (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2019/07/23/dearborn-burgerim-burger-chain-isreali-threats/1801109001/)

QuoteDearborn burger franchise founded in Israel delays opening after backlash, threats

A franchisee has delayed the scheduled opening of his Burgerim restaurant in Dearborn amid backlash from the Arab-American community over the popular burger company's Israeli roots.

Sam Zahr, a Lebanese-American who lives in Dearborn, said he was too worried to open the restaurant on Greenfield Road after his kids were bullied and he received threatening messages from those opposed to the burger chain founded in Israel.

The Dearborn Burgerim location has stirred controversy for months, striking at the heart of the charged debate over Israeli-Palestinian relations. The announced restaurant opening has elicited back-and-forth comments on Facebook posts from those spreading the message to boycott and others just hoping for a good burger.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/23/PDTF/0d20e84b-8a8b-4f2f-8820-4bd7bb1b9fd2-boycottburgerim-e1560136898917.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp)
An image spreading the message to boycott Burgerim, an Israeli burger chain. (Photo: Amer Zahr)

Burgerim, which means "many burgers" in Hebrew, specializes in mini burgers of different types of meat. It's headquartered in Encino, California, but was founded in Israel with its first location in Tel Aviv. The growing company has franchise locations across the U.S., Israel, and Europe, and has been publicized by media outlets in places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Antonio.

A Burgerim location in Royal Oak also owned by Zahr has not experienced as much opposition, he said. He decided to step away from the Dearborn location since he has two others — one in Oak Park and another in Redford Township — scheduled to open this month.

"I think it's only within this area," Zahr said about the push back. "That's why I figured, let me walk away from the problem."

Zahr described several events that led to the decision not to open. In one instance, someone messaged him on Facebook with threatening comments, confirmed by screenshots of the messages.

"I told you, you are not like us," someone wrote in a Facebook message to Zahr. "You have Palestinian and Lebanese blood on your hand if you open up that joint."

In another incident, he set up a tent with free burgers outside the soon-to-open Royal Oak store for Ramadan, a Muslim holiday in April, but he said the tent was destroyed the next morning.

Zahr said he has lost everything after pouring money into the Dearborn location by signing a five-year lease, having the electricity and plumbing installed, purchasing permits and licenses and paying the franchise fee.

"It's just for no reason. Why?" Zahr said. "We're in America. You don't own Dearborn."

Amer Zahr, a University of Detroit law professor, activist and comedian who lives in Dearborn, has been a leading voice urging his community to boycott the business when it opens because it was founded in Israel on land he says was stolen from Palestinians.

"It was offensive to many members of the community," Zahr said.

Attorneys for Sam Zahr filed a cease-and-desist order against Amer Zahr for "defamatory statements" about Burgerim, which Amer Zahr said was "ridiculous."

"Anyone has a first amendment right to boycott whatever they wish to boycott and to call for boycotts," Amer Zahr said. "A boycott, of course, comes with the potential of economic damage."

Zahr is a supporter of the Palestinian-led movement called BDS, or Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions, that puts pressure on Israel to change its policies and grant Palestinians human rights, according to the movement's website. It was inspired by the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.

When Burgerim first began to set up shop in the neighborhood, Amer Zahr said many people did not know much about it. He felt it was his job to educate people on the history of its founding. Burgerim locations are built on land stolen from Palestinians by Israel, Zahr writes in a blog post that details each piece of land.

"Building their company on stolen Palestinian land is how they established themselves," Zahr said. "Whether they ended up moving (headquarters) ... it doesn't really matter. The genesis of the company was in Israel."

Amer Zahr said it was very clear from the beginning that the community was not going to support Burgerim in its backyard.

"The Dearborn community overall is very supportive of Palestinian rights in general," he said. "Not everybody is an activist obviously, but everyone for the most part in Dearborn is very supportive of Palestinian rights and our struggle."

Amer Zahr added that his vocal opposition to Burgerim had nothing to do with Sam Zahr. He would have supported the business owner had he opened a burger restaurant "not connected to Palestinian suffering," Amer Zahr said.

"It's not personal against him," Amer Zahr said.

Sam Zahr still has the sign he removed from the storefront on Sunday with the hopes that it will one day be put back up.

"God bless this beautiful country that we all came to to make something out of," Sam Zahr said. "Not to have this kind of hate and this kind of unprofessionalism and just nonsense."

When I was last in Toronto I was marveling at how people from all over the world could come together and at least tolerate each other.  Then I saw one taxi driver cut off another, then second driver deliberately rammed the guy who cut him off, and then they both got out of their cabs and started screaming at each other in Arabic.  I thought of that when I saw that the owner and the comedian/activist quoted in the article were both named "Zahr."
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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 23, 2019, 10:07:28 AM
What do Jewish hamburgers taste like?
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Post by: Valmy on July 23, 2019, 11:08:38 AM
Well I am sure that will help endear Arab immigrants to the rest of the United States.
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Post by: Savonarola on July 23, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 23, 2019, 10:07:28 AM
What do Jewish hamburgers taste like?

Delicious, they're made from stolen Palestinian goats and roasted over the bodies of Palestinian children; and that's where the flavor comes from. :mmm:

;)

The chain makes a variety of burgers including lamb burgers and falafel burgers.  That's probably why Sam Zahr thought he'd have a hit in the largely Arab and Muslim suburb of Dearborn.  One of his locations is located in the largely Chaldean (Christians from Iraq) neighborhood of Oak Park.  More telling is that none of is locations are located in predominantly Jewish suburbs.
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Post by: Savonarola on January 10, 2020, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 07, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
I have a cousin, originally from northern Michigan, who wants to take part in the Detroit Renaissance (Huzzah!)  He attended law school at Wayne State University, lives in mid-town Detroit and works for Legal Aid in the city.  His girlfriend works for a conglomeration of Detroit based charities called Focus Hope.  As he and his girlfriend were driving home from his (and my) grandfather's home (in Dearborn, Michigan) he got his window shot out.  He pulled over to the shoulder, and the car with the shooter pulled over in front of them and started backing up.  My cousin pulled back out on the highway, hit it, and made it back home safely.  He and his girlfriend are reconsidering some life decisions right now.

This happened in the early evening, and right on one of the interstates; so I may have been a little over-optimistic in trumpeting Detroit's comeback.

He proposed to his girlfriend just before Christmas.  He had a ring made with a piece of the shot out glass as the "Stone."  I thought that was great.  :)

(Even since last year Downtown and Midtown have revitalized in a big way.  Not everyone is happy with this change; my cousin and his fiancee thought Midtown had become to gentrified.  So they moved to Highland Park, (one of the suburbs completely surrounded by the city of Detroit) to a house on an otherwise entirely abandoned block. 

They also have a dog named Leon Trotsky; so far he's avoided any ice pick damage.)
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Post by: Savonarola on July 13, 2021, 12:13:25 PM
I was back in the 313 this past week.  At most supermarkets in the United States we have "Cart corrals" in the parking lot where you put your shopping carts once you've finished shopping to avoid damaging cars in the parking lot and to aid the store staff in restoring carts.  Not everyone does this, of course, and often people who park far away from a corral will just leave the cart in a parking space.  At the supermarket CB and I went to there were shopping carts left in the parking spot right next to a corral.  So I took one cart for us and put the rest in the corral.

Savonarola:  I can't believe anyone would be so lazy that they couldn't move a shopping cart five feet to the corral.
CB:  You've been away from Detroit for a long time.
Savonarola:   :(

You can't go back home.
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Post by: Josquius on July 13, 2021, 12:45:29 PM
Whether someone returns their trolley or not is a standard test of whether someone is a good person .
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Post by: Eddie Teach on July 13, 2021, 09:49:13 PM
Bad people still might do things society expects of them.
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Post by: grumbler on July 14, 2021, 06:48:07 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 13, 2021, 09:49:13 PM
Bad people still might do things society expects of them.

:yes: Returning carts is necessary but not sufficient to being a good person.
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Post by: garbon on July 14, 2021, 07:05:27 AM
I think there is a caveat. If the store does nothing to take carts out of the holding pen (i.e. all full and spilling out), I don't think it is incumbent on someone to walk the parking lot in search of another spot. Failure on the part of the store.
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Post by: Savonarola on April 01, 2023, 09:02:28 AM
My university keeps it way realer than your university:

QuoteWayne State University suspends professor over social media post allegedly advocating violence
Detroit Free Press

Wayne State University has suspended a professor who allegedly posted on social media that people would be justified in killing those with whom they have disagreements, according to a note to the university from President Roy Wilson.

The university became aware of the post Monday morning, Wilson said in his email. The professor, whose identity was not revealed, works in the university's English department. A university spokeswoman declined further comment.

"The post stated that rather than 'shouting down' those with whom we disagree, one would be justified to commit murder to silence them," Wilson wrote. "We have on many occasions defended the right of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but we feel this post far exceeds the bounds of reasonable or protected speech. It is, at best, morally reprehensible and, at worst, criminal.

"We have referred this to law enforcement agencies for further review and investigation. Pending their review, we have suspended the professor with pay, effective immediately."

The Free Press was unable to reach the professor for comment.

In the post attributed to him, the professor writes about "free speech on campus." The Free Press confirmed with two sources that the post was the one being scrutinized. The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity because they had not been cleared to talk to the media about the matter.

"Although I do not advocate violating federal and state criminal codes, I think it is far more admirable to kill a racist, homophobic, or transphobic speaker than it is to shout them down," the post says.

It goes on to say that "right-wing" groups invite speakers to campuses to provoke a reaction from left-wing groups.

"The protesters get blamed instead of the bigoted speaker; the university administration finds a perfect excuse to side publicly with the racists or phobes; the national and international press has a field day saying that bigots are the ones being oppressed, rather than the people those bigots actually hate being the victims of oppression."

The post then cites Sholem Schwarzbad, a Jewish, Russian-born French poet, who in 1926 assassinated Symon Petliura, the former head of the Ukrainian People's Republic. Schwarzbard, who had lost his family in the 1919 pogroms, held Petliura responsible for the deaths and killed Petliura on a Paris street.

"Remember that Schwarzbad was acquitted by a jury, which found his actions justified," the post concludes.

Oh, Detroit, you can't solve all your problems by killing people.  You've already tried that.
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Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2023, 09:28:27 PM
I can only imagine the place really had to go downhill for you to think moving to Florida was an improvement  :ph34r:
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Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2023, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2023, 09:28:27 PMI can only imagine the place really had to go downhill for you to think moving to Florida was an improvement  :ph34r:

Especially that first place I was living.  I've been to some rough neighborhoods in the D, but I had never had a deputy sheriff armed with a rifle in my back yard; a guy living on the up the block chop his mother up with an axe, put her into a hefty bag, and leave her on the side of the road; a repo man question me about my neighbors; a guy living a block over have a naked man jump though his plate glass window, slap the neighbor and tell the neighbor that he was Jesus Christ; or live across the street from a drug house before I moved to Florida.

I never would have left Detroit if I could have found work there; but now it's changed so much that I don't think I would ever go back.
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Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 02, 2023, 01:41:35 PM
Gentrification must be really bad in Detroit for Savonarola I guess.  :P
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Post by: Savonarola on April 02, 2023, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 02, 2023, 01:41:35 PMGentrification must be really bad in Detroit for Savonarola I guess.  :P

Guilty.  (I think I wrote about it here that) the first time I returned to mid-town after the bankruptcy and saw that it's now filled with Whole Foods, yoga parlors and all the other banal excesses of bourgeois America my first thought was "My God, we need to bring back Kwame."

 ;)

Seriously Detroit is much better off post-bankruptcy and with the current mayor; but I'll always miss the old Detroit.
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Post by: Josquius on April 02, 2023, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2023, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 02, 2023, 01:41:35 PMGentrification must be really bad in Detroit for Savonarola I guess.  :P

Guilty.  (I think I wrote about it here that) the first time I returned to mid-town after the bankruptcy and saw that it's now filled with Whole Foods, yoga parlors and all the other banal excesses of bourgeois America my first thought was "My God, we need to bring back Kwame."

 ;)

Seriously Detroit is much better off post-bankruptcy and with the current mayor; but I'll always miss the old Detroit.
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Isn't that just called Gary?
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 03, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2023, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 02, 2023, 01:41:35 PMGentrification must be really bad in Detroit for Savonarola I guess.  :P

Guilty.  (I think I wrote about it here that) the first time I returned to mid-town after the bankruptcy and saw that it's now filled with Whole Foods, yoga parlors and all the other banal excesses of bourgeois America my first thought was "My God, we need to bring back Kwame."

 ;)

Seriously Detroit is much better off post-bankruptcy and with the current mayor; but I'll always miss the old Detroit.

Yes, that's one of your posts I remember something along the line of "one can never go back".

When I hear or see Old Detroit, I think of the Old Man in Robocop.  :P
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 04, 2023, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 03, 2023, 08:02:57 AMYes, that's one of your posts I remember something along the line of "one can never go back".

When I hear or see Old Detroit, I think of the Old Man in Robocop.  :P

"You can't go back home again" (I may have left out the "Again").  It's a title of a novel by Thomas Wolfe about a successful novelist who returns to his home town and discovers both it and he have changed too much that he could ever really go home.  (That's really only the beginning, it expands on the idea of "Home" even further to mean the United States and the protagonist's relationship to it.)  The (very Gertrude Steinian) Gertrude Stein quote "There is no there, there" is meant to express a similar sentiment.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on April 04, 2023, 04:03:41 PM
In any event, The Detroit News has a bunch of archival material online.  Check out this driver taking a test drive at the Ford Proving Grounds in 1928:  Newsreel (https://www.detroitnews.com/videos/news/local/michigan-history/2023/03/31/newsreel-driver-takes-trip-around-ford-motor-proving-grounds-1928/11571334002/)

I'm not sure which proving grounds these are.  1928 was the year the Rouge Factory (Dearborn) opened; but the main production facility was still in Highland Park.
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on May 23, 2023, 06:10:23 PM
A bit north of the exurbs, (Holly is where the Renaissance Festival (Huzzah!) is held), but still close to Detroit:

Real-life cowboy wrangles stray cow on Michigan interstate (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/michigan-stray-cow-highway-interstate-75/)

:alberta:
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 02, 2023, 05:20:02 AM
 I wish there was a way for Sav's gigantic pile of stories...

Some kind of publishing mechanism...
Title: Re: Detroit thread. Post Kwame, Monica, and $1 houses here.
Post by: Savonarola on June 02, 2023, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 02, 2023, 05:20:02 AMI wish there was a way for Sav's gigantic pile of stories...

Some kind of publishing mechanism...

Thank you, that was kind.   :)

I wish I still had the inclination to write; but after having set up a home office during Covid I haven't wanted to spend any more time at the computer.

(I guess I could go back to writing longhand; or pull a CDM and get a typewriter.)