For the sake of fact-checking, trolling, and overall monitoring the slow, agonizing death throes of American democracy as it happens!, I would like to keep the running dialog on the debate tonight in here. If only to reduce the stress on "the Election" thread.
Good idea, thanks for reminding me it's own soon. :cheers:
Goodie, goodie..
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It is going to be grand, I have no doubt. Time for some pearl clutching, some gloating, some tut-tutting, and perhaps even some lols.
Will Trump stop lying? Will he manage to look like he has any kind of plan that's even remotely coherent other than pissing off progressives, ethnic minorities, and the politically correct?
Will Hillary manage to somehow land on that tiny magical spot that is "yeah, I guess she's human" and somehow shrug off the years of vilification?
Tune in and find out!
Just a note - this year last time Romney was leading against Obama in most (if not all polls).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 06:50:43 PM
If only to reduce the stress on "the Election" thread.
:hmm: Stress? What stress?
The weight of gravity. What if somebody doesn't log in until tomorrow and find 25 pages of minute-by-minute color commentary? That's not polite.
Can't really bring myself to watch it. What am I going to get out of it? Nothing, except maybe cognitive decline. And almost surely a sense of disappointment. The best possible scenario is that Trump shows himself to be utterly unfit, but even then it would be depressing that it required a debate to prove it. And all the other possibilities are just downhill from here, and they're considerably more likely.
Quote from: DGuller on September 26, 2016, 07:09:19 PM
The best possible scenario is that Trump shows himself to be utterly unfit, but even then it would be depressing that it required a debate to prove it.
He's been doing that for a year :lol: You just have a chance to see reason #3,136 live.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 07:07:01 PM
The weight of gravity. What if somebody doesn't log in until tomorrow and find 25 pages of minute-by-minute color commentary? That's not polite.
Define "polite" please, thank you.
Maybe nothing very interesting will happen. Trump will be fairly subdued relatively speaking and Clinton will not have any health issues. Tone and body language rather than what's being said will generate an overall vibe and determine the winner.
Trump has an advantage I'd say.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 26, 2016, 07:09:19 PM
The best possible scenario is that Trump shows himself to be utterly unfit, but even then it would be depressing that it required a debate to prove it.
He's been doing that for a year :lol: You just have a chance to see reason #3,136 live.
Exactly. And I generally don't need more than 10 reasons to come to a conclusion, so what's the point of running up the count after that? I don't find this circus amusing, I find it very frightening.
Link to the debate stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 07:18:40 PM
Link to the debate stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
Thanks.
Quote from: DGuller on September 26, 2016, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 26, 2016, 07:09:19 PM
The best possible scenario is that Trump shows himself to be utterly unfit, but even then it would be depressing that it required a debate to prove it.
He's been doing that for a year :lol: You just have a chance to see reason #3,136 live.
Exactly. And I generally don't need more than 10 reasons to come to a conclusion, so what's the point of running up the count after that? I don't find this circus amusing, I find it very frightening.
Same reason I have to watch. :Embarrass: :cry:
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
and Clinton will not have any health issues
:lol: What are your friends in Trollkin Land laying odds on? Stroke? Loss of bladder control? Uncontrollable tremors? A case of "the vapors?"
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 07:20:59 PM:lol: What are your friends in Trollkin Land laying odds on? Stroke? Loss of bladder control? Uncontrollable tremors? A case of "the vapors?"
Indeed, what rough meme, its hour come round at last, slouches towards twitter to be born? ^_^
No, seriously. What do you fucking goofballs think will happen to her?
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I think she'll live. Speak a bit in DC policy wonk, hopefully only briefly, try to land a zinger or two, something the networks can play on a loop while declaring her the winner, promise to be tough on America's enemies and focus on growth at home.
Spiciest thing I've seen so far is this: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtUD_EbUAAAzHAq.jpg)
It really is 4Chan vs. Tumblr: The Campaign out there. :mellow: :thumbsup:
@Tim: :lol:
Good one Tim.
I like the tiny hands
Whoo! 2nd class canceled! I get to watch the first thirty minutes live.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
Maybe nothing very interesting will happen. Trump will be fairly subdued relatively speaking and Clinton will not have any health issues. Tone and body language rather than what's being said will generate an overall vibe and determine the winner.
Trump has an advantage I'd say.
I agree with this.
Trump will try to be boring and "presidential" considering the way the polls have tightened; he doesn't want to fuck up a month of hard work and decent polling trends. Hillary will do much the same. She is still leading, barely, in most polling, and doesn't want to rock the boat too much.
Both of them will be boring garbagemen (I'm still voting for Hillary though)
I think President Trump will look back on this night as the night he clinched the election. Hillary will remember tonight as the night her long national nightmare into the jaws of a lengthy prison term will begin.
I'm not sure how one acts presidential and boring when asked to clarify the millions of weird things he's said during the campaign.
I suppose he could just parrot "I want to focus on the important issues, not distractions" a million times.
Live Fact-Checking and Analysis from the Washington Post--
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/
Use CNN at your peril.
First Matt Lauer, now Lester Holt. Brian Williams must beat his pets daily. :lol:
Where is zombie John Chancellor when America needs him most.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 07:34:18 PM
try to land a zinger or two, something the networks can play on a loop while declaring her the winner,
This more than anything else.
I'm sorry Trump can't climb over the ropes and slam her into the corner buckle after beating her with a folding chair, derspiess.
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Maybe he can manage a Jimmy Snuka Superfly finishing move on the way out.
Vince will be Commerce Secretary, if only because he lets Donald push him around.
And we're off!
That's a great one Seedy.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 26, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
Vince will be Commerce Secretary, if only because he lets Donald push him around.
I figure he'd go Labor, since that's what pussies go through WHEN THEY'RE HAVING MY BABY.
Here we go!
Oh snap, "equal pay for women's work". That's a 10-point swing to Trump right there.
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Soccer Mom Trump.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Mexico has the best plants!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Lester: steady job creation past 6 years
Trump: as you said, jobs are leaving the country
Brilliant.
Trump sounds very subdued.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
Trump sounds very subdued.
The hyperbole is still magnificent.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Yes same old line and he's repeating again.within his two minutes.
Trumped Up Trickle Down? Ugh.
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Lester: steady job creation past 6 years
Trump: as you said, jobs are leaving the country
Brilliant.
:lol: Masterful
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:11:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
Trump sounds very subdued.
The hyperbole is still magnificent.
Yes, but it's an odd juxtaposition. Not sure how it will play. Might play well, might not.
She's poking the bear and it's working. Next she'll mention the size of his hands.
You can't tell businesses what to do. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:12:32 PM
Trumped Up Trickle Down? Ugh.
Yeah that was pretty bad.
Is he ill?
Trump already seeking water?
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
Is he ill?
This is like watching the Jets. Five minutes into the 1st quarter, and he's already thrown 2 picks.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 26, 2016, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
Clinton doing her trained seal routine. Trump somehow looks a lot less orange than usual.
And Trump goes straight for the Mexican-Chinese Axis! :lol:
Lester: steady job creation past 6 years
Trump: as you said, jobs are leaving the country
Brilliant.
:lol: Masterful
I don't know if he's senile or a genius at this point.
Boring numbers Clinton.
What's with him asking Clinton if "secretrary Clinton" is OK, what is a slight, him trying to be polite, perhaps him being a bit forgetful about here last/current job?
Trump is perking up. :showoff:
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
I don't know if he's senile or a genius at this point.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."--David St. Hubbins, MP
Him trying to talk over the moderator and Clinton might play poorly.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 08:18:06 PM
What's with him asking Clinton if "secretrary Clinton" is OK, what is a slight, him trying to be polite, perhaps him being a bit forgetful about here last/current job?
It's a sugartits thing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
Him trying to talk over the moderator and Clinton might play poorly.
No it won't. :lol:
I dunno, I think this debate is demonstrating how Trump has no clue about any specific policies.
NAFTA = Devastation. THE WORST THING EVER
Clinton is smiling too much when she talks, comes over as appearing rather smug.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
Him trying to talk over the moderator and Clinton might play poorly.
No it won't. :lol:
I do like her not giving up though. She continues to go at same volume and tenor. Just ignore his whiny attempts to talk over her.
what a dumpster fire
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:21:56 PM
I do like her not giving up though. She continues to go at same volume and tenor. Just ignore his whiny attempts to talk over her.
She's just stepped into the "I was for it before I was against it" TPP bear trap.
Trump's landing jabs there. Might be getting a little too interesting for the soccer moms.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
Him trying to talk over the moderator and Clinton might play poorly.
No it won't. :lol:
If he gets too angry it might recoil on him Rick Lazio style.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:23:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:21:56 PM
I do like her not giving up though. She continues to go at same volume and tenor. Just ignore his whiny attempts to talk over her.
She's just stepped into the "I was for it before I was against it" TPP bear trap.
Of course he went for Hillary has no plans. Err that's all the girl has.
She's trying to stay positive. That's good.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
Trump's landing jabs there. Might be getting a little too interesting for the soccer moms.
:lol: What jabs? Yelling "big league" and "end of story" aren't jabs.
Bigly!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
Him trying to talk over the moderator and Clinton might play poorly.
No it won't. :lol:
If he gets too angry it might recoil on him Rick Lazio style.
He is also old and obese. He may also stroke out if Clinton can get his blood pressure up.
The moderator just got slapped down by Hilary.
General Douglas MacArthur?
Hillary has been fighting ISIS her entire adult life. :lol:
Where's Yi? I wanna put $20 down on Trump walking off before it ends. :lol:
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:27:07 PM
Hillary has been fighting ISIS her entire adult life. :lol:
So bizarre.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
General Douglas MacArthur?
:huh:
I didn't get where that came from.
Oh Donald... You're so easy to bait :(
Poor fact checkers, they will have a long night.
"Visit my website"? :o
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:27:27 PM
Where's Yi? I wanna put $20 down on Trump walking off before it ends. :lol:
Right after they cut his mic. What a shitshow.
Listening to an old man ranting on and on. <_<
She smiles too much, it does look smug.
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:27:07 PM
Hillary has been fighting ISIS her entire adult life. :lol:
What a tanker of a line. WTF was that.
Gettin' there...
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Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
Poor fact checkers, they will have a long night.
Poor interns. So many are quitting political journalism tonight. :lol:
Well we now have Clinton's permission to blame her for everything.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:29:55 PM
She smiles too much, it does look smug.
Yeah I agree, mentioned it earlier and she seems to be doing more.
So far it's what I expected.
Clinton dosen't look good though. Seems pharmaceutically mediated by quite a bit. And stop the smiling.
He's attacking the Fed now and dooming on a possible stock market crash.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:29:55 PM
She smiles too much, it does look smug.
Yeah I agree, mentioned it earlier and she seems to be doing more.
Yes. Oh God.
Hillary reminds me of
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I'd rather have Clinton's smiles than Trump's rage.
Trump just went full Trump :lol:
"I've been under audit for almost 15 years; I should be complaining- I'm not complaining." Does he even hear himself?
Emails
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:33:53 PM
I'd rather have Clinton's smiles than Trump's rage.
Both are creepy as hell.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:32:24 PM
Clinton dosen't look good though. Seems pharmaceutically mediated by quite a bit. And stop the smiling.
Everyone's told her to smile for years.
Oh fuck, she just went there.
Trumpland is a strange place.
She sounds petty right now.
Emails? I've never heard of this emails thing before.
Wow, Clinton is challenging his wealth myth.
That makes me smart not pay federal taxes. No a hack.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
She sounds petty right now.
It's obvious baiting. Donald can't help but taking it.
Fun fact: Richard Nixon released his tax returns while under audit in 1973. Wasn't a problem then, isn't a problem now.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 08:36:39 PM
That makes me smart not pay federal taxes. No a hack.
Brilliant comeback with the "0 for veterans, 0 for schools, etc."
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 08:36:39 PM
That makes me smart not pay federal taxes. No a hack.
If you can do it legally, yeah it's smart. Is it smart for him to say it's smart? Probably not so much.
The way he's breathing, sounds like his blood is up.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 08:36:39 PM
That makes me smart not pay federal taxes. No a hack.
If you can do it legally, yeah it's smart. Is it smart for him to say it's smart? Probably not so much.
Yep on both parts.
Braggadocious? (sp?)
We've become a Third World country. It's official.
He is praising airports in oil middle east and China?
I'd like to hear more about her dad's drapery business.
I don't think I can finish watching. He's making absolutely no sense...
Good zinger from Clinton about him not paying taxes.
What the hell is going in this debate?
Don't get lost in the weeds Clinton, stay on target.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
I'd like to hear more about her dad's drapery business.
We got it again. :)
He just admitted to stiffing someone. :mellow:
I'm just waiting for Lou Albano to walk down the aisle and challenge her with George "The Animal" Steele.
The hundreds of thousand of people that love me?
Her smiling does not bother me as much as her damn constant blinking.
And Trump is a fucking trainwreck.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 26, 2016, 08:42:28 PM
He just admitted to stiffing someone. :mellow:
Very odd. He takes advantage of laws of the nation. Wow.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 26, 2016, 08:42:28 PM
He just admitted to stiffing someone. :mellow:
I'm sure it's just because that someone did a poor job :lol:
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 26, 2016, 08:42:28 PM
He just admitted to stiffing someone. :mellow:
Very odd. He takes advantage of laws of the nation. Wow.
DId someone not tell him he's running for public office?
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 08:43:30 PM
Her smiling does not bother me as much as her damn constant blinking.
And Trump is a fucking trainwreck.
They are both blinking a lot.
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
He'll reveal his new TV show at the 3rd debate.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
Might as well.
This is more of a trainwreck that I thought possible.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
At least he isn't talking about his large penis size like in the primary debates.
God bless America. :lol:
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 08:38:57 PM
Braggadocious? (sp?)
braggadocio
Don't think there's an adjectival form.
Damn, can't post because the thread is moving too quick.
God, ease up Hillary.
Why does Trump insist on squinting all the time?
Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
At least he isn't talking about his large penis size like in the primary debates.
Give him time.
Clinton wants to avoid saying law and order! Why does she hate Olivia Benson?
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:46:58 PM
God, ease up Hillary.
Indeed we need a jovial tone on a serious issue.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Is he really plugging his companies on a presidential debate?
:lol: Dude, it's all about the T.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
Clinton wants to avoid saying law and order! Why does she hate Olivia Benson?
I think it wants to bring back the TV series.
A judge, a very against police judge.
Man, he really hates Chicago. I have property there, it's terrible!
Oh Lester Holt called Trump out on stop and frisk not being unconstitutional and Trump spins and distracts.
She looks terrible, like she's about to pass out.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:49:30 PM
A judge, a very against police judge.
Word jumbles like this make me want to like Trump.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:50:12 PM
Man, he really hates Chicago. I have property there, it's terrible!
Well yeah, any building that has a Trump sign is a terrible property.
"Chicago, I have property there" :)
:lol: I'm so sorry this isn't working out for you, Legbiter. Change the channel, I'm sure there's a young adult dystopian movie on somewhere.
Did he just groan at her saying there are positive things about black communities?
Trained seal.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
:lol: I'm so sorry this isn't working out for you, Legbiter. Change the channel, I'm sure there's a young adult dystopian movie on somewhere.
He probably should just get some sleep. It is late after all.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
Did he just groan at her saying there are positive things about black communities?
Yip
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 08:51:23 PM
She looks terrible, like she's about to pass out.
She'll start getting the crazy eyes in a few minutes.
You can't just say law and order. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
:lol: I'm so sorry this isn't working out for you, Legbiter. Change the channel, I'm sure there's a young adult dystopian movie on somewhere.
I love this, there's always the hint of Trump becoming interesting. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
Did he just groan at her saying there are positive things about black communities?
That was a groan worthy of Al Gore himself.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
Did he just groan at her saying there are positive things about black communities?
Yip
WTF
I heard the groan before that statement, when she said he talked black communities down.
Who's protecting the Second Amendment?
I'm going to bring up something from the 90s that you have apologised for.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:55:46 PM
Who's protecting the Second Amendment?
Me and my life membership :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 08:55:46 PM
Who's protecting the Second Amendment?
Good people, really good people.
Trump goes Bulworth with teh blacks.
She needs to jab him soon.
Birther stuff upcoming :lol:
He seems to be losing some steam.
Trump tried to rattle her about staying home while he was campaigning and it didn't work. But her comeback was lame. Crap, both these people are terrible. Overall not as entertaining as I had hoped.
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Here it comes...
BLACK PEOPLE LOVE ME!
Civic minded Trump thwarted dastardly Clinton on these horrid rumors regarding Obama. :lol: :showoff:
I realised he did a terrible job about hammering her with emails so far.
America is gonna be in troulbe if they elect this version of the Trump.
She is now just calling him a racist.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:02:46 PM
I realised he did a terrible job about hammering her with emails so far.
He did a tactical withdrawal. It will come up again.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:03:00 PM
America is gonna be in troulbe if they elect this version of the Trump.
Headline tomorrow:
"63% of Viewers Think Clinton Smiled Too Much, Trump Sees 8-Point Upswing"
So being racist is good if you don't apologise?
Birther stuff was weaksauce, mostly her delivery was bad. On to cybering.
What's he rambling on about a club for?
Both of them love talking about Trump's businesses. :lol:
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
She is now just calling him a racist.
That went over a little weird, at least he didn't pull a "i have a lot of black friends" but more a "i have property in tough neighbourhoods" so he saved it.
Trump is not scoring the points he needs to hit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:03:00 PM
America is gonna be in troulbe if they elect this version of the Trump.
Headline tomorrow: "63% of Viewers Think Clinton Smiled Too Much, Trump Sees 8-Point Upswing"
It's mostly gonna be due to the visual contrast between the two. She looks bad and he's a bit less orange and fairly soccer-mom friendly.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 26, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Both of them love talking about Trump's businesses. :lol:
Well attacking him on business makes sense as that's his big claim to be relevant for a role like president. :hmm:
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
She is now just calling him a racist.
That went over a little weird, at least he didn't pull a "i have a lot of black friends" but more a "i have property in tough neighbourhoods" so he saved it.
Yeah, he disappointed me, I expected him to bite the bait. :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 26, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Both of them love talking about Trump's businesses. :lol:
Reservations will see an uptick. :lol:
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
Trump is not scoring the points he needs to hit.
Nope
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
Trump is not scoring the points he needs to hit.
He's been quite on the defense. Clinton has many weaknesses and yet he hasn't done great on that.
I do like the blue tie. It's not cornflower blue, not quite an electric blue, more of a textured cobalt. I bet it's from his clothing line.
Trump just lost the 400 lb. nerd demographic.
But he got the "my son is good with computers" demo.
Security aspect of cyber! Hardly doable.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
Trump just lost the 400 lb. nerd demographic.
There goes Reddit :lol:
Here comes Benghazi
Who's the 400lb man sitting on a bed.
eidt:
Oh man I love line about his 10 year old child being so brilliant with computers.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 09:04:44 PM
He did a tactical withdrawal. It will come up again.
Nope. Because the place to bring it back up would have been here to cast doubt on her competency in cybersecurity to lead a nation in cyberwarfare (as much as I loathe Trump, I was actually kinda hoping he would go for the throat here). Missed opportunity.
I don't understand. I just don't understand. How is it possible that this guy was chosen? How?
He cannot make a coherent phrase. I don't understand.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
I don't understand. I just don't understand. How is it possible that this guy was chosen? How?
He cannot make a coherent phrase. I don't understand.
Hatred
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
Here comes Benghazi
So far he is too distracted with them creating ISIS.
Clinton is doing much better than Tump*, but man her voice annoys me.
*although who knows what the polls will say, tramp has some magic up his ass
Oh and we are magically taking oil. Oh Benghazi got a mention but weakly.
We should have taken the oil.
Now Trump looks like he's falling asleep at the podium. Must be past his bedtime. :lol:
It is like he is too bored with Clinton scandals to actually make use of them.
Hillary just looked a little wobbly.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
I don't understand. I just don't understand. How is it possible that this guy was chosen? How?
He cannot make a coherent phrase. I don't understand.
Real answer: racism and intolerance in US never went away, it was only suppressed until now and festering beneath the surface. Now the pus is coming out.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
I don't understand. I just don't understand. How is it possible that this guy was chosen? How?
He cannot make a coherent phrase. I don't understand.
He represents the impotent rage of republicans who can't stand the thought of a black man and a women being president.
*edit* stupid phone.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 26, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
I don't understand. I just don't understand. How is it possible that this guy was chosen? How?
He cannot make a coherent phrase. I don't understand.
Payback. Payback for the hubris of a black guy that didn't know his place, and became President.
OK I'll say it, Clinton comes over as quite a weak candidate and yet the GOP choose to put perhaps the weakest candidate to ever run for either main party in the last 100 years.
I haven't given lots of thoughts to NATO.
79 minutes in and Trump presents his first numerical statistic with the 73% of NATO funding comment.
Some of my best friends are Sean Hannity.
BABA BOOEY
CRAZY EYES CRAZY EYES
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
OK I'll say it, Clinton comes over as quite a weak candidate and yet the GOP choose to put perhaps the weakest candidate to ever run for either main party in the last 100 years.
I've been saying this since Trump looked likely to win the nom. Worst Dem candidate since Mondale. GOP could put up a generic candidate and be up 10-15 points, but we go with Trump :bleeding:
Please for pity sake, someone call Sean Hannity.
Trump is contractually obligated to mention Sean Hannity a hundred times.
YOURE HYSTERICAL LADY
WINNING TEMPERAMENT!
/debate
Hillary should have agreed with Trump's remark about other NATO countries not paying their fair share. Obama was saying the same thing in Europe a few weeks ago.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
Hillary should have agreed with Trump's remark about other NATO countries not paying their fair share. Obama was saying the same thing in Europe a few weeks ago.
On the flipside she gave lie to his statements of NATO not helping with terror.
Hillary has done well in this debate but I think she's starting to run out of juice. I think we'll see a hypodermic needle come from off-screen and give her a mystery injection to keep her going.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
Hillary has done well in this debate but I think she's starting to run out of juice. I think we'll see a hypodermic needle come from off-screen and give her a mystery injection to keep her going.
:D
We can't defend Japan?
I can't believe the rambling about nuclear weapons, and now into them not paying. :huh:
Is Belgium's back payments on their NATO gym membership really that big of a deal in the greater scheme of collective defense?
"And your President."
Because Donald lives in another country. :mellow:
Takes First Use off the table
Says he can't take anything off the table
Iran has power over NK?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Takes First Use off the table
Says he can't take anything off the table
Ugh.
China should go into North Korea. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
Is Belgium's back payments on their NATO gym membership really that big of a deal in the greater scheme of collective defense?
No
He still hasn't rattled her. He needs to go nuclear and call Chelsea ugly or something.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
He still hasn't rattled her. He needs to go nuclear and call Chelsea ugly or something.
Yesssssss
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
He still hasn't rattled her. He needs to go nuclear and call Chelsea ugly or something.
rather the opposite.
Oh Christ :lol:
She's rather rambling a lot.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
He still hasn't rattled her. He needs to go nuclear and call Chelsea ugly or something.
I imagine they coached the shit out of Hillary on not losing her shit.
Whereas Trump's coaching focused mostly on more natural skin tone it appears.
We can't protect the world when they don't pay us what we need.
Wow bullied moderator. Did you ask me a question?
Stamina, you have to have the stamina. :D
He is so presidential, greatly presidential, you can't even believe it, the best, trust him.
BAM
lol the Iran deal you're so in love with. Bad experience.
Smacked him on stamina.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:35:22 PM
Smacked him on stamina.
Indeed, that was well delivered.
And caught him on his switch.
Donald Trump claiming he takes the high Road.
Trump the crybaby! :lol:
I'm not watching the debate, but Legbiter's disappearance from the thread is a useful proxy for how it's going.
I could've said something mean about her family, but I didn't. Yay me!
Nice little dig by Holt about not hitting all the topics. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2016, 09:38:42 PM
I'm not watching the debate, but Legbiter's disappearance from the thread is a useful proxy for how it's going.
Yeah, Trump was Trump and Hillary did pretty good.
Definitely weak performance from Trump. He better nut up.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2016, 09:38:42 PM
I'm not watching the debate, but Legbiter's disappearance from the thread is a useful proxy for how it's going.
:lol:
Weak ending from Trump.
Odd that the Trump family, left the stage so soon.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2016, 09:38:42 PM
I'm not watching the debate, but Legbiter's disappearance from the thread is a useful proxy for how it's going.
Whatever the reason, it's much appreciated.
Hillary wins on points. 48-44 tomorrow.
Pretty much what I expected. No KO's by either one. Clinton needs to never smile again on television and Trump's non-orange look is a keeper.
Trump victory.
Trump reminded me of the kid that didn't bother to study for the exam, and just started to write in larger print during the essay portion.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
Pretty much what I expected. No KO's by either one. Clinton needs to never smile again on television and Trump's non-orange look is a keeper.
Trump victory.
You've fully gone native, haven't you.
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:35:22 PM
Smacked him on stamina.
Indeed, that was well delivered.
I love actually that she basically used Benghazi to her advantage there when she mentioned her 11 hour Benghazi hearing. :D
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
Pretty much what I expected. No KO's by either one. Clinton needs to never smile again on television and Trump's non-orange look is a keeper.
Trump victory.
You've fully gone native, haven't you.
Nah, he just has to stick to character.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
:yes:
The moderator did the best rile up when he kept saying he supported the Iraq war.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
He started to edge towards it on a couple of occasions.
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
:yes:
The moderator did the best rile up when he kept saying he supported the Iraq war.
Yeah, I think the Trump will complain about that 'bias' no end.
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
Nah, man. Trump's campaign will begin to implode tomorrow.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:46:02 PMYou've fully gone native, haven't you.
The pundits will call it a victory for Clinton. But the polls won't budge that much and then Trump will win. He did what he needed to do, act sane.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
:yes:
The moderator did the best rile up when he kept saying he supported the Iraq war.
Yeah, I think the Trump will complain about that 'bias' no end.
To be fair, I think the moderator sort of was? I mean I can't recall many moments where he tried to trip up Hillary except for with the emails. Trump got Iraq War and Birtherism.
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
:yes:
Quote from: Habbaku on September 26, 2016, 09:47:46 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
She baited him a few times, but he never blew up like I hoped :(.
He started to edge towards it on a couple of occasions.
He did visibly perk up a few times yes.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
Nah, man. Trump's campaign will begin to implode tomorrow.
Oh shut up :lol:
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:46:02 PMYou've fully gone native, haven't you.
The pundits will call it a victory for Clinton. But the polls won't budge that much and then Trump will win. He did what he needed to do, act sane.
Perhaps 'sanity' has a different definition in your country.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 26, 2016, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2016, 09:46:02 PMYou've fully gone native, haven't you.
The pundits will call it a victory for Clinton. But the polls won't budge that much and then Trump will win. He did what he needed to do, act sane.
Perhaps 'sanity' has a different definition in your country.
They eat rotten shark, so probably. :P
He's lying in the post interview about paying federal taxes.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 09:54:38 PM
He's lying in the post interview about paying federal taxes.
There's a post interview where?
Was that the reason he left the stage so quickly?
Did anyone notice that Trump was sick? I didn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/26/trump-sniffles-presidential-debate-clinton-hofstra
QuoteSomeone pass Donald Trump a tissue, quick.
Trump sniffled repeatedly throughout Monday night's first presidential debate, suffering with an itchy or stuffed-up nose that distracted viewers as he argued against Hillary Clinton – despite months of declaring himself the "healthiest candidate ever".
...
While Trump had access to a glass of water, there was no handkerchief in sight.
Trump's sniffles were particularly unfortunately timed after he called into question his rival's stamina and his supporters hounded Clinton over her health and occasional coughing fits for months, claiming they were part of larger health issues she supposedly suffered following a fall and blood clot in 2012.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:58:00 PM
Did anyone notice that Trump was sick? I didn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/26/trump-sniffles-presidential-debate-clinton-hofstra
QuoteSomeone pass Donald Trump a tissue, quick.
Trump sniffled repeatedly throughout Monday night's first presidential debate, suffering with an itchy or stuffed-up nose that distracted viewers as he argued against Hillary Clinton – despite months of declaring himself the "healthiest candidate ever".
...
While Trump had access to a glass of water, there was no handkerchief in sight.
Trump's sniffles were particularly unfortunately timed after he called into question his rival's stamina and his supporters hounded Clinton over her health and occasional coughing fits for months, claiming they were part of larger health issues she supposedly suffered following a fall and blood clot in 2012.
Actually, I noticed something looked odd about Trump, but couldn't put my finger on it, and that helps me put a word to it: peaky.
He just kinda freaked on the reporter with the birther thing. Hillary can't bring it! :lol:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 26, 2016, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2016, 09:58:00 PM
Did anyone notice that Trump was sick? I didn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/26/trump-sniffles-presidential-debate-clinton-hofstra
QuoteSomeone pass Donald Trump a tissue, quick.
Trump sniffled repeatedly throughout Monday night's first presidential debate, suffering with an itchy or stuffed-up nose that distracted viewers as he argued against Hillary Clinton – despite months of declaring himself the "healthiest candidate ever".
...
While Trump had access to a glass of water, there was no handkerchief in sight.
Trump's sniffles were particularly unfortunately timed after he called into question his rival's stamina and his supporters hounded Clinton over her health and occasional coughing fits for months, claiming they were part of larger health issues she supposedly suffered following a fall and blood clot in 2012.
Actually, I noticed something looked odd about Trump, but couldn't put my finger on it, and that helps me put a word to it: peaky.
Howard Dean tweeted:
QuoteNotice Trump sniffing all the time. Coke user?
I assumed it was cocaine.
lol Chris Christie: "Fact checkers have their own agenda."
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
Trump just lost the 400 lb. nerd demographic.
Friendly fire, Friendly fire! The Alt-Right is hit!
Spin Room: Trump's campaign manager: Will tell Trump to be harder on Clinton next time, when she acts smug. Trump said his one regret was not bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
lol Chris Christie: "Fact checkers have their own agenda."
I heard he has something like 23% approval rating in Jersey, man has he fucking flamed out.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:14:38 PM
Spin Room: Trump's campaign manager: Will tell Trump to be harder on Clinton next time, when she acts smug. Trump said his one regret was not bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs.
Why would he. To what purpose.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 26, 2016, 10:19:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:14:38 PM
Spin Room: Trump's campaign manager: Will tell Trump to be harder on Clinton next time, when she acts smug. Trump said his one regret was not bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs.
Why would he. To what purpose.
Said it was only because Chelsea was in the room, and he respects her. Because he is a petulant sociopath with a mean streak that makes Dick Cheney look like Mary Tyler Moore.
Quote from: katmai on September 26, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
lol Chris Christie: "Fact checkers have their own agenda."
I heard he has something like 23% approval rating in Jersey, man has he fucking flamed out.
His interview with Brian Williams was classic: "Well, if you want your average polished politician, then yeah, vote for Hillary."
Hope?
Quote
Frank Luntz@
Frank Luntz
Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Hope?
Quote
Frank Luntz@
Frank Luntz
Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
Sample size WTF?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 26, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Hope?
Quote
Frank Luntz@
Frank Luntz
Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
Sample size WTF?
Focus groups are always like one room full of undecided voters.
lol, the restaurant in Ohio was classic. Split down the middle before the debate, no change at all after. :lol:
One "Anyone But Clinton" woman: "I've voting for the conservative party, and if it happens to be this jackass leading the mule train, so be it." :bleeding:
Yes. Once again, the nation's future rests on: Ohio. Fuck. :lol:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
Focus groups are always like one room full of undecided voters.
So useless
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 26, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Hope?
Quote
Frank Luntz@
Frank Luntz
Who won tonite's debate?
In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton. #DebateNight
Sample size WTF?
Focus groups are always like one room full of undecided voters.
Frank Luntz's focus groups typically don't need large sample sizes. The concept of sample size applies to outcomes with inherent uncertainty, and there is usually nothing uncertain about the conclusions of his focus groups.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:34:10 PM
lol, the restaurant in Ohio was classic. Split down the middle before the debate, no change at all after. :lol:
One "Anyone But Clinton" woman: "I've voting for the conservative party, and if it happens to be this jackass leading the mule train, so be it." :bleeding:
Yes. Once again, the nation's future rests on: Ohio. Fuck. :lol:
Those are the folks I want to see meltdown.
My understanding is focus groups are used to gain a deeper understanding of attitudes rather than to generalize about larger trends.
Christ, Trump's campaign manager is a batty ass bitch. Why did Clinton have to spend so much time preparing for this debate? The American voter deserves a better candidate than that :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Christ, Trump's campaign manager is a batty ass bitch. Why did Clinton have to spend so much time preparing for this debate? The American voter deserves a better candidate than that :lol:
lolwut?
Throw her under the bus. Fourth times a charm.
Trump won the debate. He kept a consistent presence and message for 90 minutes and got Clinton to choke in the beginning on her TPP flip-flop.
Clinton played the debate conventional and measured with her usual wonkishness, liberal talking points, and silly grin/cackle. I do not believe she swayed any undecided voters while some may support Trump now that he has demonstrated he is real on the same stage with Clinton.
:lmfao:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Christ, Trump's campaign manager is a batty ass bitch. Why did Clinton have to spend so much time preparing for this debate? The American voter deserves a better candidate than that :lol:
Batshit crazy.
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Quote"I thought it was great, I really enjoyed it. It's about making America great again. She proved it's all talk no action," Trump says to Mark Halperin offering up some post-debate spin. Trump suggests he considered going ugly, but shied away from it. "I didn't want to do my final attack, which was to attack her husband on what took place with respect to him and his life .... because Chelsea who I happen to think is a wonderful young lady was in the room, and I just didn't think it would be appropriate."
I look forward to the next 24-48 hours of the Donald's Twitterverse.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 11:41:28 PM
Quote"I thought it was great, I really enjoyed it. It's about making America great again. She proved it's all talk no action," Trump says to Mark Halperin offering up some post-debate spin. Trump suggests he considered going ugly, but shied away from it. "I didn't want to do my final attack, which was to attack her husband on what took place with respect to him and his life .... because Chelsea who I happen to think is a wonderful young lady was in the room, and I just didn't think it would be appropriate."
I look forward to the next 24-48 hours of the Donald's Twitterverse.
I don't see how Donnie Darko thinks that's a winning line of attack. His opponent's *husband* is a serial philanderer. Donnie himself is a serial philanderer. Who has said he would like to bang his own daughter.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2016, 11:45:29 PM
I don't see how Donnie Darko thinks that's a winning line of attack. His opponent's *husband* is a serial philanderer. Donnie himself is a serial philanderer. Who has said he would like to bang his own daughter.
Because he's a sociopath. Here ya go, you read the Atlantic: Donald Trump's Cruel Streak (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trumps-cruel-streak/501554/)
As far as banging his daughter goes, I don't believe it is out of any sense of incestuousness but because it's the closest thing he could ever get to making love to himself.
They just played the clip of trump arguing with Holt about stop and frisk.
The look on Clinton's face was like what the fuck, you got to be kidding me.
Rudy Giuliani was telling reporters in the Spin Room that Trump may opt out of the next two debates.
My Dad texted me 20 minutes into the debate:
What a piece of shit
Going to bed
:lol:
Hope?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/
Quote
Hillary Clinton was deemed the winner of Monday night's debate by 62% of voters who tuned in to watch, while just 27% said they thought Donald Trump had the better night, according to a CNN/ORC Poll of voters who watched the debate.
That drubbing is similar to Mitt Romney's dominant performance over President Barack Obama in the first 2012 presidential debate.
Voters who watched said Clinton expressed her views more clearly than Trump and had a better understanding of the issues by a margin of more than 2-to-1. Clinton also was seen as having done a better job addressing concerns voters might have about her potential presidency by a 57% to 35% margin, and as the stronger leader by a 56% to 39% margin.
The gap was smaller on which candidate appeared more sincere and authentic, though still broke in Clinton's favor, with 53% saying she was more sincere vs. 40% who felt Trump did better on that score. Trump topped Clinton 56% to 33% as the debater who spent more time attacking their opponent.
Although the survey suggested debate watchers were more apt to describe themselves as Democrats than the overall pool of voters, even independents who watched deemed Clinton the winner, 54% vs. 33% who thought Trump did the best job in the debate.
And the survey suggests Clinton outperformed the expectations of those who watched. While pre-debate interviews indicated these watchers expected Clinton to win by a 26-point margin, that grew to 35 points in the post-debate survey.
About half in the poll say the debate did not have an effect on their voting plans, 47% said it didn't make a difference, but those who say they were moved by it tilted in Clinton's direction, 34% said the debate made them more apt to vote for Clinton, 18% more likely to back Trump.
On the issues, voters who watched broadly say Clinton would do a better job handling foreign policy, 62% to 35%, and most think she would be the better candidate to handle terrorism, 54% to 43% who prefer Trump. But on the economy, the split is much closer, with 51% saying they favor Clinton's approach vs. 47% who prefer Trump.
Most debate watchers came away from Monday's face-off with doubts about Trump's ability to handle the presidency. Overall, 55% say they didn't think Trump would be able to handle the job of president, 43% said they thought he would. Among political independents who watched the debate, it's a near-even split, 50% say he can handle it, 49% that he can't.
And voters who watched were more apt to see Trump's attacks on Clinton as unfair than they were to see her critiques that way. About two-thirds of debate viewers, 67%, said Clinton's critiques of Trump were fair, while just 51% said the same of Trump.
Assessments of Trump's attacks on Clinton were sharply split by gender, with 58% of men seeing them as fair compared with 44% of women who watched on Monday. There was almost no gender divide in perceptions of whether Clinton's attacks were fair.
The CNN/ORC post-debate poll includes interviews with 521 registered voters who watched the September 26 debate. Results among debate-watchers have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. Respondents were originally interviewed as part of a September 23-25 telephone survey of a random sample of Americans, and indicated they planned to watch the debate and would be willing to be re-interviewed when it was over.
Doesn't mean shit, Tim.
Yes it does?
Or else let's not discuss the whole thing until the election, anything else doesn't mean shit I guess.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 27, 2016, 12:44:28 AM
Doesn't mean shit, Tim.
Let me cling to some threads man. :weep:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 07:07:01 PM
The weight of gravity. What if somebody doesn't log in until tomorrow and find 25 pages of minute-by-minute color commentary? That's not polite.
Well, I suppose some thanks are in order. Only 22 the morning after. :)
:lol:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtVAepDXgAEL5Ha.jpg)
Did anyone's opinion change after the debate? Not just switching from supporting Trump to Clinton or vice versa; but was anyone planning to vote third party but now will vote for Hil or Don? Or was anyone planning not to vote but will now (or planning to vote but now will not)?
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 05:52:30 AM
Did anyone's opinion change after the debate? Not just switching from supporting Trump to Clinton or vice versa; but was anyone planning to vote third party but now will vote for Hil or Don? Or was anyone planning not to vote but will now (or planning to vote but now will not)?
It's all confirmation bias now; Trump's not going to lose anybody, so I think the only real expectation is trying to keep potential Clinton voters from staying home, or being all Millennial stupid and piss their votes away on Stoner Nader.
She looked very presidential. However I'm beginning to wonder if Trump wouldn't be a better choice, despite his obvious stupidity. If she wins, considering how little trust she garners, she might end up with another Republican dominated congress. The Obama mouth frothing will simply morph into Hillary frothing - after the nigger the cunt - that sort of thinking. Which means your country will be paralyzed for another 4 years.
Whereas if he wins, and considering how little faith the Republican apparatus puts in him - he's likely to be opposed but not so completely or viciously as Oballary would be. And that means the US could at least try to get out of the lurch it's mired in. At this point immobilism is worst than anything.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on September 27, 2016, 06:37:28 AM
She looked very presidential. However I'm beginning to wonder if Trump wouldn't be a better choice, despite his obvious stupidity. If she wins, considering how little trust she garners, she might end up with another Republican dominated congress. The Obama mouth frothing will simply morph into Hillary frothing - after the nigger the cunt - that sort of thinking. Which means your country will be paralyzed for another 4 years.
Whereas if he wins, and considering how little faith the Republican apparatus puts in him - he's likely to be opposed but not so completely or viciously as Oballary would be. And that means the US could at least try to get out of the lurch it's mired in. At this point immobilism is worst than anything.
You remember when we had a stupid Republican President (Bush II) and a Republican Congress? That was a disaster.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 27, 2016, 06:44:34 AM
Quote from: Grallon on September 27, 2016, 06:37:28 AM
She looked very presidential. However I'm beginning to wonder if Trump wouldn't be a better choice, despite his obvious stupidity. If she wins, considering how little trust she garners, she might end up with another Republican dominated congress. The Obama mouth frothing will simply morph into Hillary frothing - after the nigger the cunt - that sort of thinking. Which means your country will be paralyzed for another 4 years.
Whereas if he wins, and considering how little faith the Republican apparatus puts in him - he's likely to be opposed but not so completely or viciously as Oballary would be. And that means the US could at least try to get out of the lurch it's mired in. At this point immobilism is worst than anything.
You remember when we had a stupid Republican President (Bush II) and a Republican Congress? That was a disaster.
Yeah, sometimes "they can't get anything done" is a good thing.
Quote from: Tamas on September 27, 2016, 07:00:34 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 27, 2016, 06:44:34 AM
Quote from: Grallon on September 27, 2016, 06:37:28 AM
She looked very presidential. However I'm beginning to wonder if Trump wouldn't be a better choice, despite his obvious stupidity. If she wins, considering how little trust she garners, she might end up with another Republican dominated congress. The Obama mouth frothing will simply morph into Hillary frothing - after the nigger the cunt - that sort of thinking. Which means your country will be paralyzed for another 4 years.
Whereas if he wins, and considering how little faith the Republican apparatus puts in him - he's likely to be opposed but not so completely or viciously as Oballary would be. And that means the US could at least try to get out of the lurch it's mired in. At this point immobilism is worst than anything.
You remember when we had a stupid Republican President (Bush II) and a Republican Congress? That was a disaster.
Yeah, sometimes "they can't get anything done" is a good thing.
Well Trump might be best on that. After all, given that he can't even rally his own party around him, I feel it would be a mistake to say he wouldn't be as viciously opposed as Hillary. She at least has Dem politicians on her side whereas I'm not sure Trump has all that many allies in the Capitol.
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
On "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:
No one ever got a job from a poor person.
The "rich" already pay the lion's share of taxes, well above 70%.
Please define what you mean by "fair share" when you consider that nearly 50% of workers pay nothing at all.
Most "rich" people don't sit on their money but build businesses or invest in businesses which create jobs which allow people to have incomes and families and homes.
Taxing the "rich" out of some misguided Marxist concept of "fairness" doesn't much harm the rich because, well, they're rich. But it does harm the poor because businesses will inevitably pass on those costs to the consumer which hurts the poor more than any other group.
Government "jobs" are a fiction since all the money to pay people must come from taxation or debt or the printing of money out of thin air, all of which are harmful to the economy.
If the government confiscated every dime from every "rich" person in the Country, it would not even pay the deficit for one single year. And after that, the Country would collapse since all private businesses would be broke and cease to exist.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 05:58:41 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 05:52:30 AM
Did anyone's opinion change after the debate? Not just switching from supporting Trump to Clinton or vice versa; but was anyone planning to vote third party but now will vote for Hil or Don? Or was anyone planning not to vote but will now (or planning to vote but now will not)?
It's all confirmation bias now; Trump's not going to lose anybody, so I think the only real expectation is trying to keep potential Clinton voters from staying home, or being all Millennial stupid and piss their votes away on Stoner Nader.
What, he's running? :menace:
My favourite bit was when she accused him of not paying taxes and he remarked "I'm smart."
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
Well yes, that is trickle down economics in so many words. The very thing that Clinton was accusing Trump of espousing.
Quote from: Josephus on September 27, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
My favourite bit was when she accused him of not paying taxes and he remarked "I'm smart."
It was a nice setup too for when he complained about a lack of money to pay for things, she could give a snarky reply that perhaps if he paid income tax there might be funding.
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
Well that's good because I would think less of you if it was. Whose is it, though? A high schooler who read "Atlas Shrugged"?
QuoteOn "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:
No one ever got a job from a poor person.
Actually, ironically, both Trump and Hilary are trying to get a job from a whole bunch of poor people.
QuoteThe "rich" already pay the lion's share of taxes, well above 70%.
Probably depends on how you define the "rich", but it is unlikely to be true in absolute numbers, as it is well known that the majority of tax income in any normal economy comes from the middle class. Or are you saying the share of their individual income? In which case it is also unlikely to be true. I know because it is part of my job to make sure this is the case.
QuotePlease define what you mean by "fair share" when you consider that nearly 50% of workers pay nothing at all.
Who is this addressed to? Is this a question to the previous question? Some sort of inner dialogue?
QuoteMost "rich" people don't sit on their money but build businesses or invest in businesses which create jobs which allow people to have incomes and families and homes.
Actually, again would need to see stats on that, but a lot of "rich" people invest money in businesses in order to improve their efficiency and sell them on with profit - which can reduce jobs as often as it creates them. Again, unless you mean M&A lawyers like me - I have a decent income and three homes because I help them do so.
QuoteTaxing the "rich" out of some misguided Marxist concept of "fairness" doesn't much harm the rich because, well, they're rich. But it does harm the poor because businesses will inevitably pass on those costs to the consumer which hurts the poor more than any other group.
This seems to confuse costs and revenues of a business (where the passing of costs to customers can happen) with taxing the dividend paid out to the rich, which is not cost to businesses, so not sure there is a clear correlation. Besides, whatever happened to free market? Shouldn't it correct the price increase?
QuoteGovernment "jobs" are a fiction since all the money to pay people must come from taxation or debt or the printing of money out of thin air, all of which are harmful to the economy.
Most private businesses take on debt, too, to finance their activity... The rest of the statement is rubbish.
QuoteIf the government confiscated every dime from every "rich" person in the Country, it would not even pay the deficit for one single year. And after that, the Country would collapse since all private businesses would be broke and cease to exist.
Well, then it's good that noone is advocating this!
Trump didn't have any gigantic flubs - he didn't soil himself on stage or call Obama the n-word - so it's tough to see why any of his mouth-breathing supporters would reconsider their views now.
Quote from: Kleves on September 27, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
Trump didn't have any gigantic flubs - he didn't soil himself on stage or call Obama the n-word - so it's tough to see why any of his mouth-breathing supporters would reconsider their views now.
I don't think they are the ones of concern. It is the ones that have leaned to him in the polls in the last couple weeks.
No one gives a shit about the 20% of American voters who would support Trump if he walked on stage wearing a giant swastika on his chest shouting "SLAVERY WAS GOOD"
What he should be angling for are the softer parts of the Republican electorate, making sure they stick with him and don't vote for Johnson or, God forbid, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The dichotomy in Trump's position is that he simultaneously argues that
(1) the rich should get ricer, so they can invest in new jobs, and
(2) the country's biggest problem is that the rich only create jobs in Mexico and China.
Trump wants to reward those who have created the biggest problem he can see, and he has no real plan to stop the money he takes from the middle class going to new jobs overseas. His idea of starting a trade war so as to wipe out all savings through inflation seems insane.
Apparently Trump has said that he wasn't sick and any noise was because of issues with the mic. He didn't want to get into conspiracies but wondered if it was purposefully that way.
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by... Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
I didn't "accuse" you of plagiarism, I noted your plagiarism.
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On "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:
No one ever got a job from a poor person.
The "rich" already pay the lion's share of taxes, well above 70%.
Please define what you mean by "fair share" when you consider that nearly 50% of workers pay nothing at all.
Most "rich" people don't sit on their money but build businesses or invest in businesses which create jobs which allow people to have incomes and families and homes.
Taxing the "rich" out of some misguided Marxist concept of "fairness" doesn't much harm the rich because, well, they're rich. But it does harm the poor because businesses will inevitably pass on those costs to the consumer which hurts the poor more than any other group.
Government "jobs" are a fiction since all the money to pay people must come from taxation or debt or the printing of money out of thin air, all of which are harmful to the economy.
If the government confiscated every dime from every "rich" person in the Country, it would not even pay the deficit for one single year. And after that, the Country would collapse since all private businesses would be broke and cease to exist.
I assume that you took random quotes from a series of bumper stickers, because the only thing more striking than the fundamental dishonesty of this collection of statements is its incoherence.
And it is ironic that a government employee is arguing that his job is a fiction; since you have time to post bumper sticker slogans online, it must be true!
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 27, 2016, 08:32:45 AM
No one gives a shit about the 20% of American voters who would support Trump if he walked on stage wearing a giant swastika on his chest shouting "SLAVERY WAS GOOD"
What he should be angling for are the softer parts of the Republican electorate, making sure they stick with him and don't vote for Johnson or, God forbid, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
I think anyone that supports Trump, however tepidly, has either made their peace with the fact that he knows nothing of policy and is contemptuous of the truth, and/or thinks HRC is the literal anti-Christ. I don't think he was humiliated enough Monday night to change these people's minds. Thinking people capable of evaluating the debate independent of Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh/etc. already are against Trump.
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
On "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:.
He's not going to do any of that.
Because Trump intends to spend a lot more $$ - on roads, on child care, etc.
He also intends to cut corporate tax.
Which means either one of two things must be true:
1. He will increase personal taxes
2. He will default on the debt.
Pick your poison.
Quote from: garbon on September 27, 2016, 08:36:12 AM
Apparently Trump has said that he wasn't sick and any noise was because of issues with the mic. He didn't want to get into conspiracies but wondered if it was purposefully that way.
He was nervous at the beginning. No question. Not just the sniffling which was worse at the beginning but he was talking quickly and his voice had a little break in it.
Quote from: Josephus on September 27, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
My favourite bit was when she accused him of not paying taxes and he remarked "I'm smart."
Mine was when she mentioned that he had hoped for the crash so he could buy up property and he said "its called business"
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 27, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
Which means either one of two things must be true:
1. He will increase personal taxes
2. He will default on the debt.
Pick your poison.
He's going to renegotiate our deals, man. Because international trade is the same as redoing those monthly payments for that recliner sectional with Rent-A-Center. lol, $17 for the next 450 months at 340%.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 27, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
On "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:.
He's not going to do any of that.
Because Trump intends to spend a lot more $$ - on roads, on child care, etc.
He also intends to cut corporate tax.
Which means either one of two things must be true:
1. He will increase personal taxes
2. He will default on the debt.
Pick your poison.
I thought Trump is an adherent of the Laffer Curve. If so, he can lower taxes and increase tax revenue!
Quote from: Siege on September 27, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Before i get accused by Raz and Grumbler of plagiarism. This below aint mine.
On "income inequality", Trump need only bring up a few points:
No one ever got a job from a poor person.
The healthcare industry called and would like a word.
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The "rich" already pay the lion's share of taxes, well above 70%.
Please define what you mean by "fair share" when you consider that nearly 50% of workers pay nothing at all.
Except Trump's argument centers around the "successful" offshoring American jobs, because it only makes economic sense. Or did you miss the quarter hour he spent ranting about NAFTA?
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Most "rich" people don't sit on their money but build businesses or invest in businesses which create jobs which allow people to have incomes and families and homes.
Actually, 99.7% of businesses are "small" businesses as defined by the SBA, the bulk of which are self-funded ventures of 1-4 employees, which may also make a dent in your "nobody got a job from a poor person" argument as well.
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Taxing the "rich" out of some misguided Marxist concept of "fairness" doesn't much harm the rich because, well, they're rich. But it does harm the poor because businesses will inevitably pass on those costs to the consumer which hurts the poor more than any other group.
Government "jobs" are a fiction since all the money to pay people must come from taxation or debt or the printing of money out of thin air, all of which are harmful to the economy.
If the government confiscated every dime from every "rich" person in the Country, it would not even pay the deficit for one single year. And after that, the Country would collapse since all private businesses would be broke and cease to exist.
You're confusing "wealth" and "currency." If your definition of "rich" is liquid cash assets, most of the "rich" aren't rich, either. Also, how can you talk about government jobs being a fiction when the "economy" is largely measured in GDP, which consists partly... of the owed wages generated by employees doing their work. By your standards, finance shouldn't contribute to GDP, either, which would shrink the economy by over a third.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 05:52:30 AM
Did anyone's opinion change after the debate? Not just switching from supporting Trump to Clinton or vice versa; but was anyone planning to vote third party but now will vote for Hil or Don? Or was anyone planning not to vote but will now (or planning to vote but now will not)?
I reckon it's all incremental. If the spectrum runs something like "Committed to Trump, Leaning Trump, Staying Home/ Voting 3rd Party, Leaning Clinton, Committed to Clinton" I think more people got pushed a few points towards Clinton from that debate than vice versa. In most cases that doesn't really change what an individual will do, but over time and across the board it still matters - but it's not the sport event "do or die" "the whole thing is determined RIGHT HERE" kind of event.
I think it also think that current events have a larger impact on people who only start paying attention that very moment - so people who are just beginning to pay attention will tend to see Clinton more favourably than Trump based on the debate.
The temperament bits were pretty good too - https://youtu.be/Y7ys8bmTf5U
Quote from: Kleves on September 27, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 27, 2016, 08:32:45 AM
No one gives a shit about the 20% of American voters who would support Trump if he walked on stage wearing a giant swastika on his chest shouting "SLAVERY WAS GOOD"
What he should be angling for are the softer parts of the Republican electorate, making sure they stick with him and don't vote for Johnson or, God forbid, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
I think anyone that supports Trump, however tepidly, has either made their peace with the fact that he knows nothing of policy and is contemptuous of the truth, and/or thinks HRC is the literal anti-Christ. I don't think he was humiliated enough Monday night to change these people's minds. Thinking people capable of evaluating the debate independent of Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh/etc. already are against Trump.
But you are missing that there are people in polls who only recently supported him. I suppose one could say that they took so long to come to his side that it has been a long, measured decision - but I'd argue that they aren't so firmly in the Trump camp and they are still in play particularly as it happened after Clinton's terrible weekend.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 27, 2016, 10:48:23 AM
Quote from: Josephus on September 27, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
My favourite bit was when she accused him of not paying taxes and he remarked "I'm smart."
Mine was when she mentioned that he had hoped for the crash so he could buy up property and he said "its called business"
He can't help but brag even when what he's bragging about is a bad quality to have in a president.
I like the WaPo joke summary of the debate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/09/27/last-nights-debate-or-the-mansplaining-olympics/?utm_term=.947f0ac92f58
QuoteCLINTON: Can I respond? I heard there would not be any fact-checking this debate, so I brought my own. I just want to explain what your plan would actually do. It is like trickle-down economics, but even worse. I came up with a fun nickname for it because my campaign wanted to make sure I created moments of "levity" instead of just "lecturing." This is the straitjacket of speaking while female. "Trumped-up trickle-down," we call it. Is that fun? By my standards, that seems fun. Donald, your business started when your dad loaned you $14 million.
QuoteCLINTON: (makes carefully neutral facial expression that must have taken 10 weeks to practice)
QuoteTRUMP: "We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble." The Fed is bad. "The Fed — is doing political." Soon Obama will go to the golf course, and then, you know, it will not be good, because they will do something to the rates. And you won't like it one bit! Please someone else talk now.
CLINTON: Where did you read this? Was it on a drunk person's Facebook wall? Are you still friends with this person? Because I wouldn't be.
QuoteHOLT: And now, please, take two minutes to discuss America's complex legacy of racial problems. Secretary Clinton, you first.
CLINTON: Here is a complex and thoughtful response about the need for criminal justice reform that I have clearly been working on for some time, because it is not at ALL what I would have said in the '90s.
TRUMP: Listen. Two words: law and order. I guess that's three words. Stop and frisk. Wait, no, also three words.
HOLT: Three unconstitutional words.
TRUMP: No, no, I am pretty sure that is wrong. It went before a judge who was a very Anti-Police Judge.
HOLT: You mean a judge who found it was unconstitutional because it was a form of racial profiling?
TRUMP: No, listen, we need Law and Order. Benson and Stabler. To make us a Stabler nation.
CLINTON: Stabler was on "SVU." I bet you can't even name the police officers on regular "Law and Order."
QuoteCLINTON: Obviously. Yes. Obviously. You have interrupted me 70 times to say nonsense remarks that indicate you have not the faintest idea what you are talking about. Seventy times. I have spent my life doing this. You decided, like, last year that you were mildly interested in it and that you would probably be great at it. I wish I had that confidence. I wish any little girl did.
If I had coughed even once on this stage, I would have lost this debate instantly. And so you know what? I did not cough. Not even once. You sniffed and you lectured and you made faces and you sighed. And I stood there. Impassive. Like a screensaver. I focus-grouped my number of blinks.
But maybe it worked. Maybe, just this once, America saw a man yammer on for an hour and a half about a subject he knew nothing about to a woman who had spent her lifetime in that field, and America said, "Oh," quietly, to itself. Maybe. But knowing America, maybe also not.
:lol:
Trump has mastered, if that is the right word, the trick of putting so much ridiculous bullshit into a sentence that you cannot even begin to unpack it all.
An anti-police judge? It is such a ridiculously stupid thing to say, but he doesn't even get called on it because it is like the 4th most stupid thing in the entire paragraph of babbling.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 01:13:57 PM
Trump has mastered, if that is the right word, the trick of putting so much ridiculous bullshit into a sentence that you cannot even begin to unpack it all.
An anti-police judge? It is such a ridiculously stupid thing to say, but he doesn't even get called on it because it is like the 4th most stupid thing in the entire paragraph of babbling.
Well Holt didn't call him out on anti-police judge but did press again that the issue was that the law was racially biased which did set up Hillary's rebuke. Attacking Trump on nonsense words is not likely to get anyone any points.
Quote from: garbon link=topic=14319.msg1 017737#msg1017737 date=1474999570
I like the WaPo joke summary of the debate:
QuoteI know what Gen. MacArthur would have thought of that. He would not have liked it ONE BIT. Gen. MacArthur is a person from history whose name I have suddenly remembered.
:lol:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 27, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: garbon link=topic=14319.msg1 017737#msg1017737 date=1474999570
I like the WaPo joke summary of the debate:
QuoteI know what Gen. MacArthur would have thought of that. He would not have liked it ONE BIT. Gen. MacArthur is a person from history whose name I have suddenly remembered.
:lol:
It was too close to what he actually said that I couldn't quote it. :D
Also, I did see they should that he apparently has a love affair with MacArthur. He mentioned him back in 2003 during the Iraq war when it was mentioned on the news about our strategy for the war.
They share a similar policy on nukes, I guess.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 01:13:57 PM
Trump has mastered, if that is the right word, the trick of putting so much ridiculous bullshit into a sentence that you cannot even begin to unpack it all.
An anti-police judge? It is such a ridiculously stupid thing to say, but he doesn't even get called on it because it is like the 4th most stupid thing in the entire paragraph of babbling.
That's what's so maddeningly frustrating to debate or interview him: his shit is so far out there, and coming out so fast, the idea of actually pouncing on it doesn't happen fast enough in a rational person's mind. There's no time to do a double-take and attack a comment as incredibly stupid and wide-open as "that makes me smart," because he's already moved on to the next magnificent headscratcher.
Trump reminds me of the town hall scene in Blazzing Saddles, when that frontiersman comes up to spout frontier macho gibberish and everybody in the room hails him as a great American thinker.
The stop and frisk constitutionality exchange was revealing.
Holt (not surprisingly) was right - the policy was challenged in court, and was held unconstitutional.
However, it was one ruling bt one district court - covering Manhattan and Westchester County. It was appealed and there were unusual circumstances. Basically the district judge had gotten an early case on the subject, and then subsequently steered every other stop and frisk case to herself under what's called the "related case rule". That rule usually permits consolidation of cases involving the same set of events but not episodes that raise the same legal question but involve dissimilar other circumstances.
On appeal the appeals court:
1) stayed the district court's order
2) took the case away from that judge finding improper use of the related case rule BUT rejected the state's motion to vacate her opinion
3) set a briefing schedule to decide the appeal
The appeal itself was never heard b/c deBlasio was elected and decided to ditch it.
Someone must have told Trump this history (Rudy?) and of course he got it completely garbled up.
It's still true that the only court to ever consider the issue directly found the practice unconstitutional. And it's true that despite the finding of misuse of the related case rule, she is and was a well-respected judge on the court who wrote a logical opinion. However, it's also true that the precedential force of that decision is somewhat limited and could be challenged.
If Trump had said - that was one lower court's view but it is by no means settled and many smart people think it is OK he would be have essentially right.
Instead of course he went for the immediate ad hom against the judge.
As an aside, it never ceases to amaze me the sheer amount of utter bullshit two former US Attorneys, Giuliani and Christie, can vomit out on a regular basis. Former federal prosecutors. Presidential appointees. For all the shit Clinton gets for being a lawyer, at least she fucking acts like one.
Christie was a lobbyist, he was never a real lawyer. His appointment as a US Attorney was a bit of a scandal.
Quote from: Jacob on September 27, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
They share a similar policy on nukes, I guess.
Trump's exchange on nukes was.. well it was something.
It was obviously inserted as a "gotcha" question to see if Trump knew what the nuclear first strike policy is. He obviously doesn't. But then after emandering around for a minute he goes from "well you shouldn't use nukes first" to "every option has to be on the table".
Rudy was a real lawyer though. Don't know WTF happened there.
Did I hear correctly that Trump is bringing cybering back?
No, just "the Cyber."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
For all the shit Clinton gets for being a lawyer, at least she fucking acts like one.
That's actually true.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
As an aside, it never ceases to amaze me the sheer amount of utter bullshit two former US Attorneys, Giuliani and Christie, can vomit out on a regular basis. Former federal prosecutors. Presidential appointees. For all the shit Clinton gets for being a lawyer, at least she fucking acts like one.
In my experience state prosecutors are usually full of shit. It's the resentment of not being good enough to get into big law firms.
Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2016, 03:11:10 PM
In my experience state prosecutors are usually full of shit. It's the resentment of not being good enough to get into big law firms.
Talk a lot of shit considering how, on your side of the planet, they were the ones best positioned to have homosexuals summarily executed. Would that have been your final statement at your show trial, "lolz couldn't cut it at Michigan, huh?"
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2016, 03:11:10 PM
In my experience state prosecutors are usually full of shit. It's the resentment of not being good enough to get into big law firms.
Talk a lot of shit considering how, on your side of the planet, they were the ones best positioned to have homosexuals summarily executed. Would that have been your final statement at your show trial, "lolz couldn't cut it at Michigan, huh?"
:huh:
Poland decriminalised homosexuality in 1932.
I think Commie-Style Poland would've made an exception for you.
marti, in the US, federal prosecution is somewhat like the biglaw of the public sector, in terms of prestige and competition
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 05:58:41 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 05:52:30 AM
Did anyone's opinion change after the debate? Not just switching from supporting Trump to Clinton or vice versa; but was anyone planning to vote third party but now will vote for Hil or Don? Or was anyone planning not to vote but will now (or planning to vote but now will not)?
It's all confirmation bias now; Trump's not going to lose anybody, so I think the only real expectation is trying to keep potential Clinton voters from staying home, or being all Millennial stupid and piss their votes away on Stoner Nader.
I agree, which is why I posted the question the way that I did. Trump has come across as even more nasty, brutish and short-fingered in the past two days than before. I don't think that will cost him any support, but was his performance so bad that it will get out the vote for Hil, or frighten third party voters to Hil's camp? Or was Hil's good enough that she was able to get out the vote or to convince third party voters that she's really the lesser of two evils?
While I realize that Languish is hardly an ideal focus group; the fact that no one answered my question doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this debate mattered at all.
I haven't met much in the way of soft Trump supporters so I don't have a feel for what pushes their levers.
On a different note, 80 million watched the debate, a new Olympic record.
I don't think Languish would be good for testing that at all. Do we have many undecided voters, planned non-voters or 3rd party folk?
I plan to non-vote.
The news just said that there are more undecided voters than normal right now. That seems surprising to me.
CNN had a theater critic review Trump's performance in last night's debate: That's Entertainment! (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/opinions/reviewing-presidential-debate-as-theater/index.html)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2016, 05:25:16 PM
I haven't met much in the way of soft Trump supporters so I don't have a feel for what pushes their levers.
On a different note, 80 million watched the debate, a new Olympic record.
Undercounts it since that doesn't count online viewers.
It's a shame Hillary didn't ask him if he was feeling OK, what with his sniffles and all.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
The news just said that there are more undecided voters than normal right now. That seems surprising to me.
Not me. I'm surprised there aren't more, with the two main candidates being so shitty.
Moderating was a bit weak. They need to bring in Tony Reali and the Around the Horn mute button.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 05:15:14 PM
I agree, which is why I posted the question the way that I did. Trump has come across as even more nasty, brutish and short-fingered in the past two days than before. I don't think that will cost him any support, but was his performance so bad that it will get out the vote for Hil, or frighten third party voters to Hil's camp? Or was Hil's good enough that she was able to get out the vote or to convince third party voters that she's really the lesser of two evils?
While I realize that Languish is hardly an ideal focus group; the fact that no one answered my question doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this debate mattered at all.
Anecdotally I know of one internet acquaintance's girlfriend who went from "voting is pointless and I'm not going to do it" to "registered with the intent to vote for Hillary" as a result of the debate.
Suburban Women Find Little to Like in Donald Trump's Debate Performance (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/women-voters-reaction.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)
Although not everybody's sold :lol:
QuoteNot everyone thought Mr. Trump appeared unprepared for the White House.
Barb Haag, a retired teacher of the emotionally disturbed, said Mr. Trump's interruptions did not bother her. "Kids interrupt you all the time if they have a point to make," she said.
If your preferred candidate reminds you of little bobby the stabber you might want to reconsider
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
Suburban Women Find Little to Like in Donald Trump's Debate Performance (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/women-voters-reaction.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)
Although not everybody's sold :lol:
QuoteNot everyone thought Mr. Trump appeared unprepared for the White House.
Barb Haag, a retired teacher of the emotionally disturbed, said Mr. Trump's interruptions did not bother her. "Kids interrupt you all the time if they have a point to make," she said.
:lol:
She's got moxie.
And more from CNN:
Kids review the presidential debate: Candidates didn't 'play nice' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/health/presidential-debate-middle-schoolers-reaction/index.html)
QuoteIf she treated her siblings or friends the way she thinks the candidates treated each other at the debate, Riya said, she would be grounded for a week or maybe longer.
Mihir Tanguturi, a sixth-grader, said he would probably be punished too and wouldn't have the friendships he has today. "I definitely wouldn't have many friends at all, and they would know that I wasn't a very nice person."
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
I'd reward my kids.
So the apparent Trump supporter excuse is going to be that it was rigged, because Trump was asked about stuff like Birtherism and climate change denial but Hillary was not asked about Benghazi and her email.
It goes to show how effective this kind of propaganda is - people like Trump supporters, and even people who are faking not being Trump supporters under the guise of just not likeing Hillary, fall for this kind of equivalence.
A serious and intellectually honest moderator should vette his potential questions for relevance and basic factual accuracy. It would be a poor job on his part if he chose to ask questions about things he simply knew were objectively false, regardless of whether or not it would give him the appearance of objectivity at the expense of actual objectivity.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 08:15:06 PM
And more from CNN:
Kids review the presidential debate: Candidates didn't 'play nice' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/health/presidential-debate-middle-schoolers-reaction/index.html)
QuoteIf she treated her siblings or friends the way she thinks the candidates treated each other at the debate, Riya said, she would be grounded for a week or maybe longer.
Mihir Tanguturi, a sixth-grader, said he would probably be punished too and wouldn't have the friendships he has today. "I definitely wouldn't have many friends at all, and they would know that I wasn't a very nice person."
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
WHY DONT YOU PUT HIM IN CHARGE MAN...
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
Suburban Women Find Little to Like in Donald Trump's Debate Performance (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/women-voters-reaction.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)
Although not everybody's sold :lol:
QuoteNot everyone thought Mr. Trump appeared unprepared for the White House.
Barb Haag, a retired teacher of the emotionally disturbed, said Mr. Trump's interruptions did not bother her. "Kids interrupt you all the time if they have a point to make," she said.
Now, now. You cropped the part of the quote where she said what she thought was positive about him that was under the ad.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
So the apparent Trump supporter excuse is going to be that it was rigged, because Trump was asked about stuff like Birtherism and climate change denial but Hillary was not asked about Benghazi and her email.
It goes to show how effective this kind of propaganda is - people like Trump supporters, and even people who are faking not being Trump supporters under the guise of just not likeing Hillary, fall for this kind of equivalence.
A serious and intellectually honest moderator should vette his potential questions for relevance and basic factual accuracy. It would be a poor job on his part if he chose to ask questions about things he simply knew were objectively false, regardless of whether or not it would give him the appearance of objectivity at the expense of actual objectivity.
Of course she did get a question on emails and Trump spent a long time haranguing her on it. It is true Benghazi got barely no mentions but most of them were actually from Clinton!
Quote from: Savonarola on September 27, 2016, 08:15:06 PM
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Just don't put them in charge of coming up with plots for big budget motion pictures.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
So the apparent Trump supporter excuse is going to be that it was rigged, because Trump was asked about stuff like Birtherism and climate change denial but Hillary was not asked about Benghazi and her email.
It's certainly the line my sisters seem to take. Also, Hillary is the worst candidate in the history of forever, and is probably the spawn of satan, if not satan himself.
Yeah, "HE DIDN'T ASK HER ABOUT BENGHAZI EVERYTHING IS RIGGED!!!!!111" seems to be the line of thought of the few Trumpers I have in my FB.
You know, he could have asked her *himself*.
The Benghazi nuts need to be reminded what happened when Reagan tried to off Gaddafi.
http://truepundit.com/media-bust-exact-script-of-lester-holts-plan-to-rig-presidential-debate-for-hillary-clinton-leaked-28-days-ago-to-true-pundit/
:lol: :bleeding:
QuoteMEDIA BUST: Exact Script of Lester Holt's Plan to Rig Presidential Debate for Hillary Clinton Leaked 28 Days Ago to True Pundit
Last night's first Presidential Debate of the 2016 election cycle between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump was 100% rigged to sabotage the Republican Presidential nominee. We can say that with definitive certainty. How? Well, we told you exactly what was going to go down at the debate 28 days ago, step by step. Almost tactic by tactic.
True Pundit, on August 30, published Confessions of a Former Hillary Clinton Campaign Operative, which unveiled the MSM's script for the debate strategy to minimize Trump via debate moderator. The fix was in weeks ago. We were the only media in the country to pinpoint how Monday's debate would be heavily manipulated in Clinton's favor at the expense of Trump. Yes, we're patting ourselves on the back. And yes, we said this all in August. True Pundit readers were quick to note on Twitter after the debate that Lester Holt did exactly what True Pundit predicted he would do a month ago via intelligence received from a former Clinton campaign guru:
*Hillary is already being coached for the Sept. 26 Presidential Debate. But the Democratic strategy is bizarre. Her handlers do not think she will respond well to stressful questions or rhetoric so Hillary is memorizing canned answers that may not even directly address the subject or question. Why is this a viable strategy? We're told this will work because the moderators will not redirect Clinton or cross examine her original answer to a question, regardless of her answer. This has been negotiated. So Hillary is free to pontificate without being called on her verbal nonsense, regardless of topic or content. Must be nice. You can bet no such agreement is in place for Trump.
"The debate is already stacked against the guy," the former operative said. "Hillary's lawyers already hammered out her ground rules before the debate questions were even formulated. It's a stacked deck. She knows the game and all the referees."
-Excerpt From True Pundit, August 30, 2016
So let's grade True Pundit's story from August, which also stated Clinton would not conduct a full press conference before the election and would not release her full medical records. Remember, this was published 13 days before Clinton collapsed in New York City. The original story said Clinton was sleeping 18 hours a day. Some days she slept more. Would anyone refute that intelligence now?
- Hillary memorized canned answers to topics: Correct Intel
- Spouted memorized answers did not always even correspond to the question: Correct Intel
- Moderator would not redirect Clinton or cross examine original answer, no matter how poorly she addressed it: Correct Intel
- Hillary was free to pontificate without being called on her verbal nonsense: Correct Intel
- You can bet no such agreement is in place for Trump: Correct Intel
- Hillary's handlers thought she would choke under stressful questions: Correct Intel
- Hillary would not release medical records: Correct Intel
- Hillary would not hold a press conference: Correct Intel
What is 'truepundit.com'?
Dunno, it's a story I saw linked on my brother in law's Facebook page.
I do wish, and facebook sure makes it easier (as you can easily distribute to hundreds of people unlike with email), people wouldn't just trust any random website as a news source. Not that blogs haven't been good for democratizing points of view but man, such utter dreck gets out there.
Quote from: garbon on September 28, 2016, 03:39:54 AM
I do wish, and facebook sure makes it easier (as you can easily distribute to hundreds of people unlike with email), people wouldn't just trust any random website as a news source. Not that blogs haven't been good for democratizing points of view but man, such utter dreck gets out there.
Well, a lot of people will post/quote anything as long as it confirms them in their convictions and gives them the feeling that they help by "getting the really true truth to the people."
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Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
So the apparent Trump supporter excuse is going to be that it was rigged, because Trump was asked about stuff like Birtherism and climate change denial but Hillary was not asked about Benghazi and her email.
It goes to show how effective this kind of propaganda is - people like Trump supporters, and even people who are faking not being Trump supporters under the guise of just not likeing Hillary, fall for this kind of equivalence.
A serious and intellectually honest moderator should vette his potential questions for relevance and basic factual accuracy. It would be a poor job on his part if he chose to ask questions about things he simply knew were objectively false, regardless of whether or not it would give him the appearance of objectivity at the expense of actual objectivity.
She was asked about her emails.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
:yes:
You guys should be on television wearing ties.
QuotePost Debate Poll: Clinton Won on Performance, Trump Won Votes.
A Post Debate Poll conducted after the presidential showdown at Hofstra University finds Hillary Clinton put on the best performance, but Donald Trump won votes. While voters 47% to 44% think that Mrs. Clinton "won the first presidential debate," Mr. Trump won over undecided voters who changed their mind by nearly a 3 to 1 margin.
Nine percent (9%) were undecided on the question of who won the debate.
Among those who were undecided (5%) before the debate, 31% changed their mind and now say they'll support the New York businessman. By comparison, only 11% of previously undecided voters said they will now vote for the former secretary of state.
https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/09/27/post-debate-poll-clinton-won-performance-trump-won-votes/ (https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/09/27/post-debate-poll-clinton-won-performance-trump-won-votes/)
Quote from: Legbiter on September 28, 2016, 05:57:52 AM
While voters 47% to 44% think that Mrs. Clinton "won the first presidential debate," Mr. Trump won over undecided voters who changed their mind by nearly a 3 to 1 margin.
:lol:
Sniff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x0eEWdK7aE
I thought that rejecting competence in favor of folksiness had already been proven disastrous after Bush II (and Trump would be several magnitudes worse).
Quote from: celedhring on September 28, 2016, 06:57:04 AM
I thought that rejecting competence in favor of folksiness had already been proven disastrous after Bush II (and Trump would be several magnitudes worse).
You can only draw cause-effect relationships with good information and sound mind.
Quote from: celedhring on September 28, 2016, 06:57:04 AM
I thought that rejecting competence in favor of folksiness had already been proven disastrous after Bush II (and Trump would be several magnitudes worse).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAxR8pvca2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAxR8pvca2o)
The normies just seem to sense it whenever Clinton is around. :hmm:
You can't make fun of Hillary's fat ass and then turn around and compared her to Nazgul.
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
That would make a decent AAR. The stakes just got higher for this election.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
So you would defect to a socialist country? :hmm:
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
Is there anything we can do to help?
How does Canada view it when war criminals try to flee to their country? :unsure: :P
Quote from: Legbiter on September 28, 2016, 05:57:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
Well I thought Clinton dominated. But then again I can't understand how Trump ever got this far in the first place.
So watch the pundits call the debate for Clinton, and Trump gain three points in the polls.
:yes:
You guys should be on television wearing ties.
QuotePost Debate Poll: Clinton Won on Performance, Trump Won Votes.
A Post Debate Poll conducted after the presidential showdown at Hofstra University finds Hillary Clinton put on the best performance, but Donald Trump won votes. While voters 47% to 44% think that Mrs. Clinton "won the first presidential debate," Mr. Trump won over undecided voters who changed their mind by nearly a 3 to 1 margin.
Nine percent (9%) were undecided on the question of who won the debate.
Among those who were undecided (5%) before the debate, 31% changed their mind and now say they'll support the New York businessman. By comparison, only 11% of previously undecided voters said they will now vote for the former secretary of state.
https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/09/27/post-debate-poll-clinton-won-performance-trump-won-votes/ (https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/09/27/post-debate-poll-clinton-won-performance-trump-won-votes/)
Who the hell is peoples punditry?
The Official Poll of the People, of course :huh:
The new PBS Frontline has an interesting look at the life of Donald Trump (and Hillary too). Little Donnie was a cute kid :cry:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
Win-Win.
Polish man thinks Trump is very smart:
Quote
In Florida, Trump fans plead in one voice: 'Hit Clinton harder'
Donald Trump spent the day after the Big Debate claiming - in tweets, press releases and interviews - that he won the showdown with Hillary Clinton.
Some of his supporters here in Melbourne, Florida, weren't so sure, but they came to his Tuesday night rally by the thousands anyway, to shower their candidate with love and adulation.
"I've never seen anything like this before," Pat Miller, a retiree who has lived in Melbourne for 50 years, said of the massive turnout for the campaign event in the usually sleepy coastal town.
She added that she was hoping to get "our Trump back" after what she said was his less than aggressive performance in the debate. "I think he needs to hit her harder."
She wasn't alone.
Janusz Biskupek, a Polish immigrant from Boca Raton who works in a window and door factory, said Mr Trump should fire his debate advisers.
"I don't kiss asses," said Mr Biskupek, dressed in a white racing outfit with "Donald you are the future" printed on it. "I didn't like the debate, and I want him to be more prepared next time. Mr Trump is very smart, but he doesn't have experience in politics."
The queue for Tuesday night's rally at a local airport hangar snaked out across a wide parking lot, to a nearby road and back again.
The crowd of 7,500 - with thousands more held outside by the fire marshal - cheered when the Trump-emblazoned aeroplane taxied to the hangar, as the soundtrack to the action film Air Force One blared over loudspeakers. Lightning struck from dark clouds in the distance, setting the scene for a grand theatrical entrance.
They went into a frenzy when the door opened and Mr Trump emerged.
And they chanted and waved their signs as Mr Trump took to the stage and boasted that the polls (albeit online and very unscientific) showed he had prevailed against his Democratic opponent.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37497555 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37497555)
He whines, wheezes, blames his performance on the microphone and then complains tough guy Lester Holt put him off his game.
Donald Trump must be the most pathetic excuse for an alpha male in history.
The few Trump idiots I have in my FB are starting to trot the line that Lester Holt was "prejudiced" against Trump. Which I take it to be dog whistle talk to mean he's black. :hmm:
I should unfriend those chaps, but I guess I need that window to the other side.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 28, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
Who the hell is peoples punditry?
Probably the same "polls" Trump was tweeting about showing him the big victor: Drudge, Fox 5 San Diego (:lol:), "Patch," Pravda, Breitbart.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 28, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
Who the hell is peoples punditry?
Probably the same "polls" Trump was tweeting about showing him the big victor: Drudge, Fox 5 San Diego ( :lol: ), "Patch," Pravda, Breitbart.
And CBS! Shame they didn't do a poll.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
Which part of Canada are you thinking?
Quote from: Jacob on September 28, 2016, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
If Clinton wins the election i am moving to Canada.
Which part of Canada are you thinking?
Hey Siege, I hear Vancouver is lovely. :)
Jew-friendly survivalists might be thin on the ground.
Would have been much more rational for Seeb to latch onto the country club wing of the GOP. Which I guess he tried to do for a while before the shiny Trump ball caught his attention.
Did Valmy delete a post? :unsure:
He doesn't realize that one Trump's trade wars shut down imports of raw materials from China and disrupts the entire electronic hardware supply chain, he can kiss his precious singularity goodbye in his lifetime.
Quote from: Malthus on September 28, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
Hey Siege, I hear Vancouver is lovely. :)
We do have a reasonably sized Jewish community, but the West Coast may be a little too flaky and liberal for our friend.
But if you do come here Siege, I'll be happy to buy you a Tecate Light :cheers:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
Did Valmy delete a post? :unsure:
Yes. I am trying to avoid posting in the election threads. Since this was a topic from another thread I thought I was in that one :angry: I blame Malthus.
But I was just making a joke that he would be available to help out the survivalists in the pacific NW seize their survivalist empire. I recommended Jacob stock up on gold for that eventuality.
Quote from: garbon on September 28, 2016, 03:19:29 AM
What is 'truepundit.com'?
According to Wayback Machine snapshots and a quick whois search, it didn't exist until March 16. Registrant anonymized and site info simply "(C) TruePundit.com," of course. Betcha a dollar that if I started scraping comments from one of its articles and running language analysis, one of the "commenters" would turn out to be the author. Would be an interesting exercise, but frankly, doxxing a whackjob of that caliber isn't worth it.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 02:23:27 PM
He doesn't realize that one Trump's trade wars shut down imports of raw materials from China and disrupts the entire electronic hardware supply chain, he can kiss his precious singularity goodbye in his lifetime.
All the checks he gets for sending them our equipment.
Early polls look favorable. She gained 4 (-1 to +3) in the morning consult poll, and I noticed she gained 6 points in Reuters on the RCP (from tie to +6). She's also up 5 in a poll I haven't heard of.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-early-polls-suggest-a-post-debate-bounce-for-clinton/
She really laid a trap for him on that one. No one but Trump would not have gone on about some pageant winner for several days.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 28, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
She really laid a trap for him on that one. No one but Trump would not have gone on about some pageant winner for several days.
I know there are some people that would vote for their own stool sample than vote for Hillary--"A Democrat! A woman! A Clinton!"--but the debate put to rest the question as to which person you want representing the United States alone in a room with Putin or Xi for 2 hours.
I'm not voting for a woman. My stool would be a fabulous commander in chief.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
I'm not voting for a woman. My stool would be a fabulous commander in chief.
Doubtful; despite being so full of it, that massive veiny black strap-on dildo your wife constantly pegs your bitch ass with prohibits your shit from actually seeing the light of day.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
I'm not voting for a woman. My stool would be a fabulous commander in chief.
Doubtful; despite being so full of it, that massive veiny black strap-on dildo your wife constantly pegs your bitch ass with prohibits your shit from actually seeing the light of day.
It's purple, not black. Teen girls love purple dildos.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
I'm not voting for a woman. My stool would be a fabulous commander in chief.
Doubtful; despite being so full of it, that massive veiny black strap-on dildo your wife constantly pegs your bitch ass with prohibits your shit from actually seeing the light of day.
It's purple, not black. Teen girls love purple dildos.
So do you.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 28, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
I'm not voting for a woman. My stool would be a fabulous commander in chief.
Doubtful; despite being so full of it, that massive veiny black strap-on dildo your wife constantly pegs your bitch ass with prohibits your shit from actually seeing the light of day.
It's purple, not black. Teen girls love purple dildos.
So do you.
I'm Tom Sizemore
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 28, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
So do you.
Actually it's Seedy that dabbles in that sort of thing, if memory serves.
Quote from: derspiess on September 28, 2016, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 28, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
So do you.
Actually it's Seedy that dabbles in that sort of thing, if memory serves.
Teens and purple dildos? Daddy likes!
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
A serious and intellectually honest moderator should vette his potential questions for relevance and basic factual accuracy. It would be a poor job on his part if he chose to ask questions about things he simply knew were objectively false, regardless of whether or not it would give him the appearance of objectivity at the expense of actual objectivity.
This is a major issue in many areas of public discourse. Neutrality and impartiality does not mean giving equal weight to every crackpot, bullshit idea that somebody comes up with.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 28, 2016, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 28, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
So do you.
Actually it's Seedy that dabbles in that sort of thing, if memory serves.
Teens and purple dildos? Daddy likes!
Here she is with the dildo
(https://s9.postimg.org/s4gqx0f67/index.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/s4gqx0f63/)photo uploading (https://postimage.org/)
NOTE: While sex toy has been inserted, it can't be seen from this angle.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 28, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
She really laid a trap for him on that one. No one but Trump would not have gone on about some pageant winner for several days.
I know there are some people that would vote for their own stool sample than vote for Hillary--"A Democrat! A woman! A Clinton!"--but the debate put to rest the question as to which person you want representing the United States alone in a room with Putin or Xi for 2 hours.
Yup. #feelthejohnson2016
You should be beaten for that Raz. :lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on September 28, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
You should be beaten for that Raz. :lol:
If you are okay with walking, you take a short hike and see her backside.
Maybe I've told this joke before, maybe I haven't.
How do you find a fat girl's vagina?
[spoiler]Roll her in flour and look for the white part.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Razgovory on September 28, 2016, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 28, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
You should be beaten for that Raz. :lol:
If you are okay with walking, you take a short hike and see her backside.
Counter your heavy drop
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153887120381762&id=335384166761
The fuck am I looking at?
Howard Dean under fire for alleging Trump cocaine use at debate (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/howard-dean-donald-trump-cocaine/)
While it sounds crazy, maybe we shouldn't dismiss this outright. Dean might have some real life experience; after all a cocaine binge would explain:
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Hyahh!!!
Many people are saying Trump was a rampant cocaine user in the 80s.
I'm just saying, if in the 80s, maybe some say he's still doing it? Just raising the question. I don't know.
This is Trump:
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Quote from: Savonarola on September 28, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Howard Dean under fire for alleging Trump cocaine use at debate (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/howard-dean-donald-trump-cocaine/)
While it sounds crazy, maybe we shouldn't dismiss this outright. Dean might have some real life experience; after all a cocaine binge would explain:
Hyahh!!!
He was also a doctor who had his own practice for 10 years IIRC.
Probably already been posted
Megan, Megan you feisty vixen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UClEjRPHrAI
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 28, 2016, 05:28:03 PM
Early polls look favorable. She gained 4 (-1 to +3) in the morning consult poll, and I noticed she gained 6 points in Reuters on the RCP (from tie to +6). She's also up 5 in a poll I haven't heard of.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-early-polls-suggest-a-post-debate-bounce-for-clinton/
PPP poll just came out with her up 4.
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Quote from: lustindarkness on September 28, 2016, 08:19:18 PM
So do you.
Actually it's Seedy that dabbles in that sort of thing, if memory serves.
Teens and purple dildos? Daddy likes!
Here she is with the dildo
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NOTE: While sex toy has been inserted, it can't be seen from this angle.
Why must you fatshame, Raz. :(
Sometimes it works and the shamee loses weight. Probably wouldn't in this case, though.