Apropos of nothing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/heres-how-to-talk-to-a-women-wearing-headphones-without-being-an-idiot
QuoteAnother week, another helpful instructive article for the modern single man. This week: "How to talk to a woman who is wearing headphones", a topic only surpassed in its brilliance by other recent gems such as: "17 killer mistakes a girl should never make on the first date" and "13 little things that can make a man fall hard for you".
The internet abounds with such guides, most of which might more accurately be re-titled "How to be a complete jackass and ruin all chance you might ever have had of a relationship", or: "How to personify every outdated gender stereotype about relationship roles in 10 easy steps".
Glamour magazine's "13 little things" counselled women to answer the door naked, wait with a cold beer when a man steps out of the shower, sit quietly by his side while he watches his favourite TV show and (my personal favourite) let him "solve your petty work problem". Excellent advice for aspiring home-help robots or faithful canines; not so much for 21st-century women who don't despise themselves or want to burn everything.
Metro's "17 killer mistakes" list included helpful tips for how not to behave on a first date, such as "There is such a thing as too much makeup", "Don't mention your parents", "Let's not have sex on the first date", and "Don't think it's sexist that we offer to pay the bill". Women were also advised not to "tell us to order what we feel like, then get a salad from the starters after we've just asked for a rump steak", a variation on the infinite and contradictory rules out there about whether a woman can or can't eat salad on a date. Thanks internet!
The latest offering – "How to talk to a woman who is wearing headphones" – advised men to attract the attention of said women using much the same approach as an alien trying to blend in without arousing suspicion.
1. Stand in front of her (with 1m to 1.5m between you).
2. Have a relaxed, easygoing smile.
3. Is she hasn't already looked up at you, simply get her attention with a wave of your hand. Wave your hand in her direct line of vision so she can't ignore it."
Swoon. Excuse me while I go take a quick cold shower.
While there may be some women out there who would be delighted at this approach and immediately request marriage, the majority (judging from the response on Twitter), might find it annoying, scary, entitled, or just downright rude. Given the amount of time women already spend fending off unwanted sexual advances, and the fact that many actively use headphones as a deliberate tactic to avoid them, an instructional piece encouraging men to invade our privacy is pretty much the last thing we need.
Yet, apparently, modern daters are in desperate need of guidance. So here's an alternative list of simple tips on how to talk to/date/generally interact with a woman without being a total idiot.
- Try to think about a woman as if she were a real-life human person. If you would find it weird to have someone wave their hand in front of your face with a fixed smile as you walk to work, the chances are she might, too.
- Don't do things to women that you would find annoying if done to you. This includes, but is not limited to, making unsolicited comments about body parts, musing aloud about fornicating with them, or shouting out ratings out of 10.
- If paying the bill on a first date is the entire basis for your masculine sense of self, get help. Consider counselling, or have a nice long chat about self-worth with a friend or colleague.
You can't judge a woman on her weight AND get angry if she orders a salad – that's just counter-intuitive. Try to work out in advance which sexist stereotype is most important to you, and stick with it. - Remember that judging us on whether or not we want to have sex on a first date is the absolute number one most guaranteed way to turn us on. Women just love those sexist societal double standards. Lots of sex ahead for you.
- Acceptable reasons to approach a woman with headphones in: if she's about to step into a puddle, dog poo or the path of an oncoming car. If she is on fire and has not yet realised it.
- Unacceptable reasons to approach a woman with headphones on: anything else. Don't. Stop it.
- When you find a helpful article about how to approach women wearing headphones, first check whether it is published on a website that says it can teach you: "What to say to turn a woman on and make her want to have sex with you ASAP", followed by: "This is very easy to do. You've got to try it!" Also check if said website sells a 10-hour long video called "Get your ex back: super system". Do not take advice about women from this website.
:rolleyes: Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our entertainment.
How sexist. She did not offer one piece of advice to women.
Is there any difference in this advice depending on the gender of the persons involved? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
Is there any difference in this advice depending on the gender of the persons involved? :huh:
Yes. Women are delicate flowers and must be protected. Anyone who says differently is teh patriarchy.
I just don't think it is possible for a stranger to talk to a woman wearing headphones. There is no point to try.
Back in serious mode, when I worked in a cubicle having my headphones on at my desk meant I needed to focus on what I was working on and should not be interrupted unless it was an emergency. Amazed me how few people actually got the hint.
Same goes for other situations. When I was walking around town at lunch and had headphones on, that meant I wasn't really in the mood for small talk. Oddly enough, the only people who seemed to respect that were homeless beggars.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 31, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
I just don't think it is possible for a stranger to talk to a woman wearing headphones. There is no point to try.
I've seen it done on trains.
The guy, an elderly dude with a paunch, approached this really hot girl who had closed her eyes and listened to music with her red Beats by Dre, tapped her shoulder and said: "Tickets, please".
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Back in serious mode, when I worked in a cubicle having my headphones on at my desk meant I needed to focus on what I was working on and should not be interrupted unless it was an emergency. Amazed me how few people actually got the hint.
Same goes for other situations. When I was walking around town at lunch and had headphones on, that meant I wasn't really in the mood for small talk. Oddly enough, the only people who seemed to respect that were homeless beggars.
Yeah. I especially hate in on planes. If I say "hello" to you and then put my headphones into my ears in a slow and deliberate way, do. not. try. to. continue. the. conversation.
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Back in serious mode, when I worked in a cubicle having my headphones on at my desk meant I needed to focus on what I was working on and should not be interrupted unless it was an emergency. Amazed me how few people actually got the hint.
Same goes for other situations. When I was walking around town at lunch and had headphones on, that meant I wasn't really in the mood for small talk. Oddly enough, the only people who seemed to respect that were homeless beggars.
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
I know the chances of you ever coming here is pretty remote garbon but everybody makes small talk to you here. Eternal and universal friendliness is our cross to bear.
QuoteDon't do things to women that you would find annoying if done to you.
The problem with advise like this is that most guys would be ok with a woman coming up and talking to them, headphones or not. it's the same reason idiots send dick picks. Women get offended, but the idiots who send them think it would be assume if a girl sent unsolicited nudes. Mars and Venus and what not.
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:05:39 AM
:rolleyes: Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our entertainment.
And they can't even pee standing up.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:05:39 AM
:rolleyes: Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our entertainment.
And they can't even pee standing up.
well they can, it's just... messy.
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
It was a little weird. She attacks these idiotic lists, rightfully I think, but then goes on to rant about totally unrelated things in the list she makes.
QuoteDon't do things to women that you would find annoying if done to you. This includes, but is not limited to, making unsolicited comments about body parts, musing aloud about fornicating with them, or shouting out ratings out of 10.
What does that have to do with the stupid list she is critiquing? Nothing. Same with most of the rest of it.
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/lads-britain-needs-you-to-do-your-duty-and-get-flirting/
QuoteLads! Britain needs you to do your duty and get flirting
CHARLOTTE GILL
24 AUGUST 2016 • 9:02PM
Actress Kristin Scott Thomas portrays a New Hampshire congresswoman running for re-election who finds herself in an unlikely romance with a police officer portrayed by Harrison Ford, in a scene from their new romance-drama film " Random Hearts" which opens October 8 in the United States
And I don't want to stereotype them all, so let me be more specific: I refer to those my own age, who have forced me to bookmark a cattery website. In the romantic arena, trying to meet a man sometimes makes me feel like David Attenborough, stepping into the jungle to locate a Jesus Lizard (a real thing).
Finding Mr Dreamy is difficult because the main strategies a girl can use are wrought with danger. Number one is proactivity: in 2016, it seems fair that a woman can approach a chap she fancies. This sometimes works, but generally does seem to make the man's insides shrivel up when asked "having a good night?" or something equally menacing.
So we consign ourselves to option two: waiting. Which is just as problematic, as nothing happens. That's the conclusion my friend and I came to last week, while we were sitting at a bar. We're hardly bad company and several lads gave us a cheeky stare as they did the toilet trot. Still, nothing happened, so we stared sadly into our Mojitos at single reflections.
Eventually one guy asked if we'd like to join him for some table football. He was dashing and curious. He was German, of course (because the only people who'll ever chat you up in Britain are not British.)
Now I'm not Claudia Schiffer, but I don't think I'm Chewbacca either. Yet operating in this asexual environment, it is possible to feel largely unattractive. Some sort of winter chill has frosted over British men's gonads, and it's leaving us all out in the cold.
If only they'd learn from the Europeans, maybe we'd be in with a chance. In countries such as Italy, Spain and France, the men are as forward as it gets. In such territory, a woman's self esteem may rise substantially from all the glory of being chatted up.
In Britain, it's as if the stereotypical school disco - girls on one side, boys on the other - continues into adulthood. Eight-year-olds are probably better at asking for a dance. As a result, the singles market is growing, with 51 percent of people in England and Wales eating dinner for one.
In 2014, newspapers boasted that the City of London is fantastic for women - because it has 155 single men per 100 ladies. These numbers seems favourable - until you realise that you're dealing with the most placid of creatures, many of whom seem to delight in their solo status.
Tools like Tinder and Happn have made things worse, as men are inundated with choice - giving them false belief they are Puff Daddy. Dating apps have completely killed off macho displays now even the most predatory man can click his way to romance.
You may be thinking that all this is trivial, but this dating dallying has big societal consequences. As the Guardian likes to remind us, loneliness kills - so dithering lads are actually murderers, when you think about it. I'm not sure what the psychological reasons for their inactivity is - perhaps feminists have scared them off with complaints of catcalling. So much so that, like the Jesus Lizard, a wolf whistle is near extinction.
British men need some encouragement, maybe even government intervention, to be more forward. In 2015, Denmark released an advert called "Do It For Mom", to encourage its nationals to have more babies. Maybe we need an equivalent: "Do It For The Girls". For if British men don't make the moves, we almost certainly will be joining the Danes in the birth rate stakes.
Birth rates and loneliness aside, it's a simple issue of self-esteem that worries me. Because of daft, but very real, rules of engagement, most women really are at the whim of men to decide their dating destiny. You wouldn't believe how many guys are averse to forward women, but then won't do the forward thing themselves. So everyone is stuck.
When I talk to single friends, many of us share a simple desire: we just want to be talked to more. Frankly, it's getting us down. British lads, please find your gonads.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
her original complaint was valid, but like valmy notes she then goes on to list a bunch of random things.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
Well you have to admit it took a weird turn there.
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
What does that have to do with the stupid list she is critiquing? Nothing. Same with most of the rest of it.
They are all ways that men interact with women in public?
Quote from: Hamilcar on August 31, 2016, 12:30:12 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Telegraph and Guardian might have different audiences, just maybe.
Quote from: Hamilcar on August 31, 2016, 12:30:12 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/lads-britain-needs-you-to-do-your-duty-and-get-flirting/
You need to follow the 2 golden rules
1) Be attractive.
2)Don't be unattractive.
:P
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
Well you have to admit it took a weird turn there.
No, I don't think I do?
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
That's actually a pretty safe assumption most of the time. ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME OF THE MONTH
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
What does that have to do with the stupid list she is critiquing? Nothing. Same with most of the rest of it.
They are all ways that men interact with women in public?
Yes but the rest of her article was about how these stupid lists are aimed at both sexes and demean us both in gendered ways.
Then it went right into fury about public harassment of women. Granted that is a key topic it just seemed weird.
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
You need to follow the 2 golden rules
1) Be attractive.
2)Don't be unattractive.
:P
:P
http://www.hulu.com/watch/295600
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
You need to follow the 2 golden rules
1) Be attractive.
2)Don't be unattractive.
:P
:P
http://www.hulu.com/watch/295600
in the wastelands (aka Canada) so that's blocked for me :(
http://youtu.be/XBZN2ODgSAk
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Back in serious mode, when I worked in a cubicle having my headphones on at my desk meant I needed to focus on what I was working on and should not be interrupted unless it was an emergency. Amazed me how few people actually got the hint.
Same goes for other situations. When I was walking around town at lunch and had headphones on, that meant I wasn't really in the mood for small talk. Oddly enough, the only people who seemed to respect that were homeless beggars.
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
Is your sister white? :P
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
her original complaint was valid, but like valmy notes she then goes on to list a bunch of random things.
Some Valmy notes are pretty sensible, though.
Not gonna be able to help you on this one, Mart :pinch:
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Back in serious mode, when I worked in a cubicle having my headphones on at my desk meant I needed to focus on what I was working on and should not be interrupted unless it was an emergency. Amazed me how few people actually got the hint.
Same goes for other situations. When I was walking around town at lunch and had headphones on, that meant I wasn't really in the mood for small talk. Oddly enough, the only people who seemed to respect that were homeless beggars.
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
Is your sister white? :P
No? Actually she's much darker than me right now. I realize I got a bit of a tan with all my time outdoors in Scotland. :blush:
What are Valmy notes?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
http://youtu.be/XBZN2ODgSAk
I prefer this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8zeaYFQMJM
Smells like fresh vagina in here.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
http://youtu.be/XBZN2ODgSAk
hah.
I also found one of Mono at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU7BhF41DNs
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
her original complaint was valid, but like valmy notes she then goes on to list a bunch of random things.
Some Valmy notes are pretty sensible, though.
is that not a common phrase, did i mess up :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
What are Valmy notes?
I thought it was being used a verb there.
I note, you note, he/she/it/Valmy notes
We note, you note, they note
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
:lol:
Strangers don't ask me for directions or the time, let alone try to strike up a conversation or, heaven forbid, flirt with me; I have a countenance that everybody thinks I'm scowling, mad and ready to fuck something up. :shrug:
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2016, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
What are Valmy notes?
I thought it was being used a verb there.
I note, you note, he/she/it/Valmy notes
We note, you note, they note
I know -_-
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
:lol:
Strangers don't ask me for directions or the time, let alone try to strike up a conversation or, heaven forbid, flirt with me; I have a countenance that everybody thinks I'm scowling, mad and ready to fuck something up. :shrug:
Well I'm half black, so half the time I am.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
You need to have a bitchy resting face. I'm always amazed how many people want to talk to my sister or my sister and I when together. On my own, basically no one fucks with me.
:lol:
Strangers don't ask me for directions or the time, let alone try to strike up a conversation or, heaven forbid, flirt with me; I have a countenance that everybody thinks I'm scowling, mad and ready to fuck something up. :shrug:
Having a shaved head helps keep people away too. Except Mormons. Mormons love me. Guess I look like i'm going to hell.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 01:04:30 PM
Well I'm half black, so half the time I am.
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#BitchyThugLife
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 01:04:30 PM
Well I'm half black, so half the time I am.
#BitchyThugLife
#EarringsInHand
Side note: What is wrong with you and quotes? You seem to be fucking them up a lot today.
Stupid iPhone. My compulsive need to crop quotes comes in direct conflict with the Apple keypad. :(
I have never met anyone who wanted to genuinely talk to me, so that clear up a lot of problems.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 31, 2016, 01:47:42 PM
I have never met anyone who wanted to genuinely talk to me, so that clear up a lot of problems.
This probably goes for more of us on here than we realise, hence we end up on Languish conversing. :P
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2016, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
What are Valmy notes?
I thought it was being used a verb there.
I note, you note, he/she/it/Valmy notes
We note, you note, they note
I first misread it and then decided to run with it. :blush:
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Quote from: The Brain on August 31, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Your need shouldn't trump her need.
I always take off my headphones if somebody wants to talk to me. It's a rare occasion.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 31, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Your need shouldn't trump her need.
Depends on what your need is. I'm bored, let's make small talk" isn't much a of need, but "OH GOD THERE ARE WOLVES BITING ME", is.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 31, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 31, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Your need shouldn't trump her need.
Depends on what your need is. I'm bored, let's make small talk" isn't much a of need, but "OH GOD THERE ARE WOLVES BITING ME", is.
Is it? Is it a great comfort to talk to someone while being devoured by wolves? :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 31, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Your need shouldn't trump her need.
Thankfully I'm boorish enough to tell her that she dropped something or that the train she's waiting for has been cancelled.
Or make sure she wasn't injured when she fell from heaven.
Satan is a bitch.
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
Is there any difference in this advice depending on the gender of the persons involved? :huh:
Yes. Women are delicate flowers and must be protected. Anyone who says differently is teh patriarchy.
More like anyone who says that is the patriarchy.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 31, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 31, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
So if you need to talk to a woman with headphones you shouldn't?
Your need shouldn't trump her need.
Depends on what your need is. I'm bored, let's make small talk" isn't much a of need, but "OH GOD THERE ARE WOLVES BITING ME", is.
Is it? Is it a great comfort to talk to someone while being devoured by wolves? :unsure:
Yes.
Quote from: celedhring on August 31, 2016, 03:32:00 PM
I always take off my headphones if somebody wants to talk to me. It's a rare occasion.
What about that purple microphone in your mouth, lulz
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The latest offering – "How to talk to a woman who is wearing headphones" – advised men to attract the attention of said women using much the same approach as an alien trying to blend in without arousing suspicion.
1. Stand in front of her (with 1m to 1.5m between you).
2. Have a relaxed, easygoing smile.
3. Is she hasn't already looked up at you, simply get her attention with a wave of your hand. Wave your hand in her direct line of vision so she can't ignore it." then stuff a dirty sock in her suck hole.
Meh, always thought using her own panties worked better, that way she can taste her own fear.
FWIW, it seems the "how to talk to a woman wearing headphones" is quickly becoming a meme on Facebook. :D
I don't understand you young people. I hate you all.
Quote from: garbon on August 31, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 31, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Also, this woman sounds really angry :lol:
Yeah. If a woman ever complains about something, she must be angry.
Probably premenstrual.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2016, 05:08:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2016, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 31, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
Is there any difference in this advice depending on the gender of the persons involved? :huh:
Yes. Women are delicate flowers and must be protected. Anyone who says differently is teh patriarchy.
More like anyone who says that is the patriarchy.
:lol: Can't get anything past you, Tim.
As I don't ever make eye contact and have a bitchy resting face, no random strangers ever try to engage me in conversation. Unless, it seems, I'm running and wearing headphones. Then it seems the one person who'd be most inconvenienced by being slowed to a halt and having to remove headphones is the best person to stop and ask for directions.
I don't want to sound like some bitter single guy, but I bet if the guy doing the contact-attempt was found attractive by the bothered female and said female was single and/or looking for somebody, then there would be no problem with the approach. Now of course the guy in question has no way to be aware of these two -reasonable- prerequisites for not being annoyed, so what other options does he have?
Or the idea is that only females should make the first step? But then what about the rights of men to be not disturbed unwantedly?
Quote from: Tamas on September 01, 2016, 09:41:14 AM
I don't want to sound like some bitter single guy, but I bet if the guy doing the contact-attempt was found attractive by the bothered female and said female was single and/or looking for somebody, then there would be no problem with the approach. Now of course the guy in question has no way to be aware of these two -reasonable- prerequisites for not being annoyed, so what other options does he have?
Yeah. I don't know.
QuoteOr the idea is that only females should make the first step? But then what about the rights of men to be not disturbed unwantedly?
Don't talk to people. The Millennial way. Use Tinder.
Quote from: Tamas on September 01, 2016, 09:41:14 AM
Or the idea is that only females should make the first step? But then what about the rights of men to be not disturbed unwantedly?
How would the second question come into play?
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2016, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 01, 2016, 09:41:14 AM
Or the idea is that only females should make the first step? But then what about the rights of men to be not disturbed unwantedly?
How would the second question come into play?
If the woman is a Romanian.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2016, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 01, 2016, 09:41:14 AM
Or the idea is that only females should make the first step? But then what about the rights of men to be not disturbed unwantedly?
How would the second question come into play?
If the woman is a Romanian.
Ah. You're right.
How To Talk To A Woman Who Is Playing A PlayStation 4 Inside Her Locked House (http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/08/how-to-talk-to-a-woman/)
How to Talk to a Woman Who Is Trying to Take a Dump (http://jezebel.com/how-to-talk-to-a-woman-who-is-trying-to-take-a-dump-1785937646)
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
Why is the bolded part relevant, again?
Because that's what the article talks about? Because it's written about that specific subject?
Seriously, it's like you are asking why a book about WW2 does not mention every war in history ever.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 01, 2016, 09:52:51 AM
How To Talk To A Woman Who Is Playing A PlayStation 4 Inside Her Locked House (http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/08/how-to-talk-to-a-woman/)
:D
Quote from: Solmyr on September 01, 2016, 10:03:32 AM
Because that's what the article talks about? Because it's written about that specific subject?
Seriously, it's like you are asking why a book about WW2 does not mention every war in history ever.
#AllGendersMatter
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
I don't see any force there really. Say you see somebody you think is attractive and interesting at a book store looking at books you like and she is wearing headphones. You think 'hey we seem to have something in common and I might be interested if she is' and you decide to go up and strike up a conversation about your common interest to see if she has any interest. Did you just 'force yourself' upon her?
And how is she supposed to know if she has any interest in somebody if a conversation never takes place?
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
I don't see any force there really. Say you see somebody you think is attractive and interesting at a book store looking at books you like and she is wearing headphones. You think 'hey we seem to have something in common and I might be interested if she is' and you decide to go up and strike up a conversation about your common interest to see if she has any interest. Did you just 'force yourself' upon her?
And how is she supposed to know if she has any interest in somebody if a conversation never takes place?
Probably a pretty good rule to follow is that if someone is wearing headphones, they aren't really looking for a conversation.
Quote from: Martinus on September 01, 2016, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
Why is the bolded part relevant, again?
Because the article in question is addressed to single men looking to meet chicks.
Any other discussion about random peope violating people's personal space isn't that interesting.
Quote from: garbon on September 01, 2016, 10:10:41 AM
Probably a pretty good rule to follow is that if someone is wearing headphones, they aren't really looking for a conversation.
Alright then. I did not realize that was common knowledge. My wearing of headphones has to do with whether or not I have something I want to listen to and not related to anything else.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Because the article in question is addressed to single men looking to meet chicks.
Any other discussion about random peope violating people's personal space isn't that interesting.
Ok but talking to people is 'forcing yourself' upon them? Surely you can meet people out in public without it being compared to assault?
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
I think the point is is that the article is telling you how to"force yourself" onto someone who isn't interested in talking to you.
I would imagine you wouldn't have to get closer than 2m and wave your arms around if she had any interest in you.
Just because she is outside and breathing doesn't mean she whants or needs male attention.
I don't see any force there really. Say you see somebody you think is attractive and interesting at a book store looking at books you like and she is wearing headphones. You think 'hey we seem to have something in common and I might be interested if she is' and you decide to go up and strike up a conversation about your common interest to see if she has any interest. Did you just 'force yourself' upon her?
And how is she supposed to know if she has any interest in somebody if a conversation never takes place?
To me wearing headphones in public is a big 'don't talk to me' sign. If anyone has an interest in talking to you I would imagine they would acknowledge your existence before you were within 6 feet and waving your arms.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Because the article in question is addressed to single men looking to meet chicks.
Any other discussion about random peope violating people's personal space isn't that interesting.
Ok but talking to people is 'forcing yourself' upon them? Surely you can meet people out in public without it being compared to assault?
OK, caveman.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
To me wearing headphones in public is a big 'don't talk to me' sign. If anyone has an interest in talking to you I would imagine they would acknowledge your existence before you were within 6 feet and waving your arms.
So don't talk to anybody looking at a book that you also love ever? How are they supposed to acknowledge your existence if they are looking at something else?
As a good Christian you shou... Oh.
I like to go to look at bookstores to look at people. I hate it when they talk to me. -_-
Quote from: garbon on September 01, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 01, 2016, 09:52:51 AM
How To Talk To A Woman Who Is Playing A PlayStation 4 Inside Her Locked House (http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/08/how-to-talk-to-a-woman/)
:D
Seriously. Girls don't play PS4.
Quote from: The Brain on September 01, 2016, 10:18:52 AM
As a good Christian you shou... Oh.
Oh I obviously already know that :pope:
Quote from: garbon on September 01, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 01, 2016, 09:52:51 AM
How To Talk To A Woman Who Is Playing A PlayStation 4 Inside Her Locked House (http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/08/how-to-talk-to-a-woman/)
:D
That's awesome.
My whole thing is based on the weird/creepy things the original article was saying, and things that other actual females have said, either random people on-line or real people I know.
In the bookstore hypothetical:
Gal looking at book I really liked and wearing headphones; she appears to go out of her way to ignore or not acknowledge my existence: I do the same and ignore her. No matter how attractive she is or no matter how much I like the book in question.
Gal looking at book I really like and wearing headphones; there is some sort of 'connection", eye contact/smile something: I would do something to start a conversation. Point at the book and give a thumb's up; say something like "that's really good" maybe in an exaggerated way so she can read my lips. If she wants to have a conversation she would likely take off her headphones. If she doesn't I will assume she isn't interested and go back to ignoring her.
Gal looking at book I really like and not wearing headphones: start up a conversation immediately,
Under no circumstances would I do the things that the original article is saying: get within 1-1.5 meters, wave your hand directly in her field of view, signal for her to take off her headphones. Those all strike me as very stalker-ish and where I used "force yourself" into her personal space. She will most likely know you are there before you need to do any of those, much less all of them; if she still hasn't acknowledged your presence it is because she doesn't want to talk to you, not because she is oblivious to your awesomeness and needs help to see it.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2016, 11:57:01 AM
Under no circumstances would I do the things that the original article is saying: get within 1-1.5 meters, wave your hand directly in her field of view, signal for her to take off her headphones. Those all strike me as very stalker-ish and where I used "force yourself" into her personal space. She will most likely know you are there before you need to do any of those, much less all of them; if she still hasn't acknowledged your presence it is because she doesn't want to talk to you, not because she is oblivious to your awesomeness and needs help to see it.
Well that is true. What women told me: to go ahead and approach them, be friendly and casual and strike up a conversation.
But we can all agree those lists are stupid. Popular culture is really shockingly horrible at giving good dating/relationship advice. I guess the fact that this article counters that by instead of giving good advice but instead going off on a tirade about all that is evil is just more of the same.
Fuck, people. Just leave other people alone. Especially when they are occupied with something else. Goddamn.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
Fuck, people. Just leave other people alone. Especially when they are occupied with something else. Goddamn.
Some of us enjoy human contact.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
Fuck, people. Just leave other people alone. Especially when they are occupied with something else. Goddamn.
Some of us enjoy human contact.
Some of you obviously have no consideration for others, either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
Fuck, people. Just leave other people alone. Especially when they are occupied with something else. Goddamn.
Some of us enjoy human contact.
Some of you obviously have no consideration for others, either.
Meh. If you go out in public in Texas people are going to talk to you. Because we are not hateful East Coasters.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 01, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
Fuck, people. Just leave other people alone. Especially when they are occupied with something else. Goddamn.
Some of us enjoy human contact.
Some of you obviously have no consideration for others, either.
Meh. If you go out in public in Texas people are going to talk to you. Because we are not hateful East Coasters.
Why would a person be in Texas?
Quote from: garbon on September 01, 2016, 12:21:26 PM
Why would a person be in Texas?
God knows. But they keep coming in huge numbers.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 01, 2016, 12:21:26 PM
Why would a person be in Texas?
God knows. But they keep coming in huge numbers.
so much empty space to fill
Vacuum vacui invocat.