Lol :lol:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/25/mensa_and_match_com_create_brainiac_dating_site.html
QuoteMensa Starts Dating Site Because Asking for IQ Scores on First Dates Wasn't Really Working
By Elliot Hannon
71431076BV121_The_Chap_Olym May I have this super-intellectual conversation?
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So, you're a member of Mensa and because you're a member of Mensa you probably have trouble finding people on your level to talk to. That makes dating hard. Talking to another person, of course, is an important part of the courtship process.
Finding mates with IQ scores in the 98th percentile is so hard these days. But, for Mensa members—with their memorized IQ scores—the dating pool just got a lot more selective. The egghead organization announced it's teaming up with Match.com to create Mensa Match. "American Mensa isn't just about encouraging adults to think," the promotional copy on the new venture reads, it's also apparently about encouraging them to make out.
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"You're looking for someone in the same tribe as you," American Mensa Marketing Manager Victoria Liguez told ABC News. "You're asking, 'Do you value intelligence as much as I do?'" And do you have the test scores to prove it? Under the new tie-up Mensa members "are also invited to add branded badges to their 'normal' Match.com profiles to indicate their interest in superior intellects," according to ABC News. That should go over well.
Finally.
Heh. My ex-husband met his new wife at Mensa meetings. I'm not sure he would now call marrying her a smart move. :P
I wish there were some legit IQ tests online, I've always wondered what mine was. :hmm:
I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2014, 10:53:49 PM
I wish there were some legit IQ tests online, I've always wondered what mine was. :hmm:
I'd guess around 145-150. That seems to be the average for people on the internet. ;)
Spitballing, I'd say mine's around 95.
Good. Keep the big heads (non complimentary meaning) to themselves.
Why would you want a spouse who was as smart as you? :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on June 25, 2014, 11:15:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2014, 10:53:49 PM
I wish there were some legit IQ tests online, I've always wondered what mine was. :hmm:
I'd guess around 145-150. That seems to be the average for people on the internet. ;)
:D
Yeah the internet is amazing, seems to have raised IQ's by around 40-50 points across the board. :cool:
I wouldn't be caught dead with Mensa membership.
Quote from: The Brain on June 26, 2014, 07:14:40 AM
I wouldn't be caught dead with Mensa membership.
yep
I'm still waiting for a dating site which categorizes me based on my LSAT score. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 26, 2014, 05:18:37 AM
Why would you want a spouse who was as smart as you? :hmm:
Women are my break from smartypants topics. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w)
Quote from: The Brain on June 26, 2014, 07:14:40 AM
I wouldn't be caught dead with Mensa membership.
Aren't they the aspie chess nerds?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2014, 10:53:49 PM
I wish there were some legit IQ tests online, I've always wondered what mine was. :hmm:
I took one once and it said my IQ was over 130, and then promptly offered me membership of something called High IQ Society or some such for only $50. Not sure if it was part of the test or not. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 08:10:25 AM
I'm still waiting for a dating site which categorizes me based on my LSAT score. :(
Is your wife aware of this? :hmm:
I don't get the hate for Mensa. There is nothing snobby about it, it's just a club where you can discuss things with other intelligent people, and take a break from Languish.
Quote from: merithyn on June 26, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 08:10:25 AM
I'm still waiting for a dating site which categorizes me based on my LSAT score. :(
Is your wife aware of this? :hmm:
I don't think she ever knew my LSAT score. ;)
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 09:12:29 AM
I don't get the hate for Mensa. There is nothing snobby about it, it's just a club where you can discuss things with other intelligent people, and take a break from Languish.
It's the notion of having a certificate stating that you are, indeed, part of an elite based on a test. It strikes many that trying out for such an "honour" is a sign of insecurity.
Never took a legit IQ test, but you can estimate your IQ based on your SAT or GRE scores at this website.
http://www.braingle.com/mind/iq/convert.php?year=3&satm=800&satv=740&grev=&greq=&calculate=Calculate+IQ
If you take my best score from each section, I come up with 161; if you take the lowest I get 147. (I took the test twice) :smarty:
I've may have killed some brain cells since then though. :homestar:
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
It's the notion of having a certificate stating that you are, indeed, part of an elite based on a test. It strikes many that trying out for such an "honour" is a sign of insecurity.
I agree.
I sort of want to join the group. I wonder if they take old SAT scores (or if I can find my old SAT scores). :ph34r:
I just don't see the point. It's one thing to join say an ethnic heritage club, since you may want to learn more about your heritage from others who share it and may have anecdotes that you find useful in understanding your upbringing, etc. But really what MENSA boils down to is: you took a test and got a high score. It may well be a fluke that you even achieved said score. I don't see what 'smart' people really have in common just by virtue of being smart. I don't think there's even a consensus on what being intelligent really means or how it can be realistically measured. In fact, because there's no consensus, I think everyone likes to imagine that they're 'smart' because it's not something that can be easily disproven, like athletic prowess for example.
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 09:12:29 AM
I don't get the hate for Mensa. There is nothing snobby about it, it's just a club where you can discuss things with other intelligent people, and take a break from Languish.
It's the notion of having a certificate stating that you are, indeed, part of an elite based on a test. It strikes many that trying out for such an "honour" is a sign of insecurity.
How will anyone know that you're smart without such a certificate?
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 09:51:48 AM
How will anyone know that you're smart a dork without such a certificate?
Fixed.
See guys Mensa does serve a useful purpose, just perhaps not the one intended.
Quote from: Caliga on June 26, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
I just don't see the point. It's one thing to join say an ethnic heritage club, since you may want to learn more about your heritage from others who share it and may have anecdotes that you find useful in understanding your upbringing, etc. But really what MENSA boils down to is: you took a test and got a high score. It may well be a fluke that you even achieved said score. I don't see what 'smart' people really have in common just by virtue of being smart. I don't think there's even a consensus on what being intelligent really means or how it can be realistically measured. In fact, because there's no consensus, I think everyone likes to imagine that they're 'smart' because it's not something that can be easily disproven, like athletic prowess for example.
I think it could be fun to see who is in the club, and what they are like. Also, and I realize this would have to be very selective, it is an opportunity to humble brag (maybe have some old mensa crap in a nook at your house, some guest is like, what's this? and you are like, yeah, i joined for a meeting or two, but they are a bunch of elitist assholes that aren't even elite, those iq tests are bullshit anyway.)
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
Never took a legit IQ test, but you can estimate your IQ based on your SAT or GRE scores at this website.
http://www.braingle.com/mind/iq/convert.php?year=3&satm=800&satv=740&grev=&greq=&calculate=Calculate+IQ
If you take my best score from each section, I come up with 161; if you take the lowest I get 147. (I took the test twice) :smarty:
I've may have killed some brain cells since then though. :homestar:
According to the SAT calc my IQ is 133
Well fuck. It seems Mensa stopped taking SAT scores in 1994. You have to pass a proctored test that costs $50. My dream of joining Mensa has been crushed after just 30 minutes. :cry:
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 09:54:43 AM
I think it could be fun to see who is in the club, and what they are like.
:hmm: I wonder if you can go to MENSA meetings without actually joining?
So is this going to convince Age to finally get legit tested?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 26, 2014, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 09:51:48 AM
How will anyone know that you're smart a dork without such a certificate?
Fixed.
See guys Mensa does serve a useful purpose, just perhaps not the one intended.
You just don't understand what it's like to be a smart person. It can be difficult. :(
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
Interesting conversation point for whom? :unsure:
Be more interesting for us if he scores really low. :D
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
Even better to score low. If you are looking to humblebrag, what could be better than saying 'isn't it funny about IQ tests and intelligence? I scored lower than average, and yet ... [list of accomplishments].' :lol:[/list]
You know, it's funny... I know a few folks who are (or were) in MENSA and none of them have accomplished much in their lives. :hmm:
I met a chick in college who was in Mensa. Nott hott.
Quote from: Caliga on June 26, 2014, 10:27:38 AM
You know, it's funny... I know a few folks who are (or were) in MENSA and none of them have accomplished much in their lives. :hmm:
They're using a scalar to describe a multi-dimensional state. Not surprising that some information is lost.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 26, 2014, 05:18:37 AM
Why would you want a spouse who was as smart as you? :hmm:
Exactly, much better to have a spouse who is smarter. That way she can make sure important decisions are made correctly
and make you think it was all your idea.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 26, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
and make you think it was all your idea.
I prefer doing that to other people. Manipulation is an unfairly maligned word.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 26, 2014, 10:29:57 AM
I met a chick in college who was in Mensa. Nott hott.
I'm struggling to remember if you have ever defined any chick as "Hott". :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 10:39:29 AM
I'm struggling to remember if you have ever defined any chick as "Hott". :hmm:
A plethora.
Actually, at times I've criticized Yi's standards as too low.
My uncle is in Mensa & never has much to say about it. But his wife likes to mock him over it.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 26, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 10:39:29 AM
I'm struggling to remember if you have ever defined any chick as "Hott". :hmm:
A plethora.
Colour me corrected, then. :)
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
Everyone scores high though. Based on conversation at least.
Though I did know a girl who once told me her IQ was 74.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
Everyone scores high though. Based on conversation at least.
Though I did know a girl who once told me her IQ was 74.
Now that's a good one for breedin' with :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Now that's a good one for breedin' with :lol:
I'm not saying she is brilliant, but she is a college grad and holds down a professional job.
Our computer science teacher in junior high used to blab on about how she scored low on an IQ test as if it invalidated the concept of a measured IQ. Thing is, though she was well-trained on computer stuff she otherwise came across as a bit dim.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Now that's a good one for breedin' with :lol:
I'm not saying she is brilliant, but she is a college grad and holds down a professional job.
Yeah, well same with my sister in law :ph34r:
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2014, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Now that's a good one for breedin' with :lol:
I'm not saying she is brilliant, but she is a college grad and holds down a professional job.
Yeah, well same with my sister in law :ph34r:
I hope you aren't breedin' with her. :P
Ick. No.
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 09:12:29 AM
I don't get the hate for Mensa. There is nothing snobby about it, it's just a club where you can discuss things with other intelligent people, and take a break from Languish.
:lol:
Yes, it is snobby. At least, every person I've ever known (which has been far too many) who was a regular at Mensa meetings was an absolute intellectual snob who felt the need to tell everyone around them that they were in Mensa and how smart they were.
Oh... right.... to you that's the norm... nevermind. Carry on. :)
;)
FWIW, I qualified for Mensa in college, but never sent in the cash for the membership. I thought it was rather stupid then, and my opinion has never really gone up much for it.
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
So, instead of clueless guys emailing pics of their dicks, we can look forward to clueless folks of both sexes emailing scans of their brains? ;)
OOH CHECK OUT THESE LOBES BABY!
I took some IQ tests back when I was in the mental ward. They were just a number.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 26, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
I took some IQ tests back when I was in the mental ward. They were just a number.
The first sentence is probably not one you want to start a dating profile with. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on June 26, 2014, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 26, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
I took some IQ tests back when I was in the mental ward. They were just a number.
The first sentence is probably not one you want to start a dating profile with. :hmm:
I no longer care.
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
Huh this was largely true in like 2001 but by 2006 and 2007 when I was doing it a second time it was pretty balanced. So...maybe your info is a little outdated. Or maybe mine is and all women have left the internet since 2007 or something.
Quote from: Valmy on June 26, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
Huh this was largely true in like 2001 but by 2006 and 2007 when I was doing it a second time it was pretty balanced. So...maybe your info is a little outdated. Or maybe mine is and all women have left the internet since 2007 or something.
:ph34r:
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
Yeah, no kidding. After a bunch of suggestions, I finally decided to join the herd in the dating app game. I heard this app called grindr was popular among men, but I don't see why. Total sausage fest.
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
You know a fair few people on Languish don't seem to get your sense of humour, which is a pity, for them.
Quote from: mongers on June 26, 2014, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
You know a fair few people on Languish don't seem to get your sense of humour, which is a pity, for them.
Humor? DGuller? :huh:
Quote from: mongers on June 26, 2014, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
You know a fair few people on Languish don't seem to get your sense of humour, which is a pity, for them.
Then there are those that get it and feel like mocking him anyway. ;)
Quote from: mongers on June 26, 2014, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 26, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
I'd be curious to see what my IQ is. Might be an interesting conversation point, if I score high.
You know a fair few people on Languish don't seem to get your sense of humour, which is a pity, for them.
OTOH, Dorsey just stole one of his jokes.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Now that's a good one for breedin' with :lol:
I'm not saying she is brilliant, but she is a college grad and holds down a professional job.
Lol.
:(
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 01:22:00 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
I've read that 2/3 of Mensa's members are male. That might pose some demographic challenges for a dating site.
Probably a much more balanced ratio than most dating sites. :P
Yeah, no kidding. After a bunch of suggestions, I finally decided to join the herd in the dating app game. I heard this app called grindr was popular among men, but I don't see why. Total sausage fest.
:lol:
Is 131 high or low.
The Army says my GT score is 131, which is supposed to be an IQ test.
Quote from: Siege on June 26, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
Is 131 high or low.
The Army says my GT score is 131, which is supposed to be an IQ test.
I'd say that proves that the IQ test is kind of useless....
Quote from: merithyn on June 26, 2014, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 26, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
Is 131 high or low.
The Army says my GT score is 131, which is supposed to be an IQ test.
I'd say that proves that the IQ test is kind of useless....
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Oh fuck yeah! I was just checking out the Mensa site and while they don't take SAT scores, they do take GMAT scores! I'm going to join Mensa.* :yeah:
*I might never get around to this.
Quote from: Siege on June 26, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
Is 131 high or low.
The Army says my GT score is 131, which is supposed to be an IQ test.
IQ is supposed to have a median value of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. That means you have an IQ higher than 98% of the population.
(I believe the median is actually a little higher now and the standard deviation is smaller; but that should be roughly correct. You are Mensa material!)
Maybe Siege took the test before he started drinking. :hmm:
Quote from: Siege on June 26, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
Is 131 high or low.
The Army says my GT score is 131, which is supposed to be an IQ test.
Wait, you're 2 standard deviations smarter than the average prole?
U Einstein Siegz srs congratz :hug:
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Oh fuck yeah! I was just checking out the Mensa site and while they don't take SAT scores, they do take GMAT scores! I'm going to join Mensa.* :yeah:
*I might never get around to this.
My LSAT score gets me in too! :yeah: Can't wait to hit the Mensa conventions with you, D4.
I'll crash the party, yell NERDS! and run out before the cops arrive.
Quote from: Savonarola on June 27, 2014, 07:26:27 AM
IQ is supposed to have a median value of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. That means you have an IQ higher than 98% of the population.
(I believe the median is actually a little higher now and the standard deviation is smaller; but that should be roughly correct. You are Mensa material!)
That's what they say, but I don't know that I've ever met anyone with an IQ below 130.
Of course there's some selection bias there, but not in every case.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 27, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Oh fuck yeah! I was just checking out the Mensa site and while they don't take SAT scores, they do take GMAT scores! I'm going to join Mensa.* :yeah:
*I might never get around to this.
My LSAT score gets me in too! :yeah: Can't wait to hit the Mensa conventions with you, D4.
Huh - Just checked, and an LSAT of 95th percentile or greater gets you in.
I qualify then. Woo. I'll get right on that.
Quote from: Maximus on June 27, 2014, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 27, 2014, 07:26:27 AM
IQ is supposed to have a median value of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. That means you have an IQ higher than 98% of the population.
(I believe the median is actually a little higher now and the standard deviation is smaller; but that should be roughly correct. You are Mensa material!)
That's what they say, but I don't know that I've ever met anyone with an IQ below 130.
Of course there's some selection bias there, but not in every case.
IIRC I'm in the 120s, but then again we've never met :P
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
Well yea, that was my point about the selection bias. But , for example, back before the internet was an everyday thing my brother had an IQ test on his computer. Now it's not official of course, but it lines up pretty well with more official ones for me and when bunch of our friends took it, I think the lowest was 128 or something.
Of course, as I pointed out, a single number can in no way come close to capturing the complexities of what it means to be intelligent. But this thread is about mensa, not intelligence.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 11:32:10 AM
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
You should be able to join too--that should put you in the top 2% of texans. :)
I've never taken an IQ test, I didn't take a SAT test(s).
I probably do not qualify.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 11:32:10 AM
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
As a kid I had an IQ test done at some point. My parents never told me what I scored (for fear that knowledge would mess me up somehow), but it was high enough to eventually get me placed in an "academically talented" program in school, where they took the 'smart kids' from all across town and placed them in one class.
The thing is, of course, is that when I looked up some people from that class several years ago, we were all leading fairly ordinary, boring lives. For a bunch of smart kids none of us were out curing cancer or anything. Hell I might have had the most high profile job, and really all I do is go after drunk drivers in court.
So yeah, having a high IQ is vastly over-rated.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 11:32:10 AM
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
As a kid I had an IQ test done at some point. My parents never told me what I scored (for fear that knowledge would mess me up somehow), but it was high enough to eventually get me placed in an "academically talented" program in school, where they took the 'smart kids' from all across town and placed them in one class.
The thing is, of course, is that when I looked up some people from that class several years ago, we were all leading fairly ordinary, boring lives. For a bunch of smart kids none of us were out curing cancer or anything. Hell I might have had the most high profile job, and really all I do is go after drunk drivers in court.
So yeah, having a high IQ is vastly over-rated.
You could have been a contender. :weep:
But yes we had that in California too. It was called gifted and talented education. It really just meant we often were taken out of our usual class to do some work deemed more challenging. /I recall we went on a few more field trips - like to go see a performance of a Shakespeare play.
Where I come from we called it easily distracted and lazy.
When I was a young kid, I tested out as being one of the like 2-3 kids that needed special ed. My father refused to let them hold me back a grade. I improved after the 3rd or 4th grade, but was always in with the slower students (as opposed to the advanced class). Through inertia (and the fact there was a good gap of knowledge between the class I was in and the advanced class), I stayed with the slower students even though my test scores went way up.
By the time I was starting the 8th grade, I was in the top few percent of every subject except spelling, and got a scholarship to a private high school based on the entrance exam. The school probably felt stupid having me with the slow kids, and set me up with a 1 on 1 tutor one class period a day and after school. The tutor kind of went crazy, and I was about to start learning calculus from the tutor when they stopped the tutoring.
Quote from: Maximus on June 27, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Where I come from we called it easily distracted and lazy.
Because doing extra work is lazy? :huh:
That is not really the point of IQ tests anyway. My father is a Psychologist who did extensive testing for over 30 years and the results were intended to aid with treatment for children not to identify the most brilliant people :P
They also had a pretty good bell curve with the average being around what one might expect.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
That is not really the point of IQ tests anyway. My father is a Psychologist who did extensive testing for over 30 years and the results were intended to aid with treatment for children not to identify the most brilliant people :P
They also had a pretty good bell curve with the average being around what one might expect.
I actually think mine wasn't an IQ test in so much as a test on how much of the information did you already know. I think that's what they used as the gauge - which makes sense.
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2014, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: Maximus on June 27, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Where I come from we called it easily distracted and lazy.
Because doing extra work is lazy? :huh:
There was no extra work, no tests, no special programs. If you were bored with school it was because you were lazy.
Quote from: Maximus on June 27, 2014, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2014, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: Maximus on June 27, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Where I come from we called it easily distracted and lazy.
Because doing extra work is lazy? :huh:
There was no extra work, no tests, no special programs. If you were bored with school it was because you were lazy.
Well I don't think they tested me because I said I was bored. :P
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
Well I don't think they tested me because I said I was bored. :P
I don't think I said I was bored. I just never got my work done because I was daydreaming.
You were lazy so garbon was lazy?
Quote from: The Brain on June 27, 2014, 12:15:45 PM
You were lazy so garbon was lazy?
Canadians => blacks => racism
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 11:32:10 AM
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
As a kid I had an IQ test done at some point. My parents never told me what I scored (for fear that knowledge would mess me up somehow), but it was high enough to eventually get me placed in an "academically talented" program in school, where they took the 'smart kids' from all across town and placed them in one class.
The thing is, of course, is that when I looked up some people from that class several years ago, we were all leading fairly ordinary, boring lives. For a bunch of smart kids none of us were out curing cancer or anything. Hell I might have had the most high profile job, and really all I do is go after drunk drivers in court.
So yeah, having a high IQ is vastly over-rated.
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
I have heard from a source that seemed credible that information about IQ is a great help when hiring people.
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
Well I don't think they tested me because I said I was bored. :P
Despite his quoting you, I think he's more speaking in general. Where he went to school, there was no concept of "gifted". All children received the same education, and if you were bored in class and/or daydreamed because of it, you were deemed lazy, not gifted, no matter how smart you were.
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
Some quick googling suggests that while there is a connection between IQ and career success, it tops out at a comparatively modest 120. IQs higher than that weren't any more likely to be successful.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 11:32:10 AM
Pretty sure my IQ was well below 130 (like 115 or something). But then those of us who are below 130 do not go around wearing it like a badge of honor.
'Hey I am 105! You can just call me 'above-average' Judy.'
As a kid I had an IQ test done at some point. My parents never told me what I scored (for fear that knowledge would mess me up somehow), but it was high enough to eventually get me placed in an "academically talented" program in school, where they took the 'smart kids' from all across town and placed them in one class.
The thing is, of course, is that when I looked up some people from that class several years ago, we were all leading fairly ordinary, boring lives. For a bunch of smart kids none of us were out curing cancer or anything. Hell I might have had the most high profile job, and really all I do is go after drunk drivers in court.
So yeah, having a high IQ is vastly over-rated.
Heh, same with me - here in Ontario when I was growing up, kids were streamed into various levels, level 5 being the "ordinary" one, I got streamed into level 6 in HS - the "enriched" one - based on some sort of standardized test I was given as a kid.
My oldest brother was initially to be streamed into the "retard" level in junior high, where kids were essentially taught how to be useful in society by taking on basic and menial tasks, but my parents objected. He went on to become a professor in quantum physics ... :lol:
Suffice it to say I'm not a great believer in the predictive power of such standardized testing.
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
Yes, that's true. Not all high-IQ students are in the gifted program, and not all people in the gifted program actually do crash and burn.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
Some quick googling suggests that while there is a connection between IQ and career success, it tops out at a comparatively modest 120. IQs higher than that weren't any more likely to be successful.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was remembering.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
Some quick googling suggests that while there is a connection between IQ and career success, it tops out at a comparatively modest 120. IQs higher than that weren't any more likely to be successful.
IQ of 120+ isn't that modest. That's top 9%. If your IQ is 120+, it mean you were probably in the top 3 of your school homeroom class.
Yeah 120 is modest? That is a very high IQ.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
Yeah 120 is modest? That is a very high IQ.
It's in the context of discussing a Mensa dating cite, where Mensa membership starts at 130.
Quote from: Malthus on June 27, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
Suffice it to say I'm not a great believer in the predictive power of such standardized testing.
There are outliers for sure, but I always wished the US went with something like that model. It was a huge drag being stuck in "general"classes in Elementary through Junior High with kids who clearly did not have at least average mental aptitude. I got bored (or maybe occasionally entertained) when the entire class came to a screeching halt because a kid in the back couldn't read anywhere close to his grade level.
Not that I consider myself a brainiac-- just that where I come from the dumb kids were *really* dumb.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
Yeah 120 is modest? That is a very high IQ.
It's in the context of discussing a Mensa dating cite, where Mensa membership starts at 130.
Too smart to significanty increase one's prospects - but too dumb for Mensa: the angst of the 120-130 IQ crowd. :D
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
I don't know if that's true but the contrary does describe my experience pretty well. I've only been tested once (when I was 12 or so), and they only told me I was at 85% percentile in verbal, 90% in math and 95% in spatial skills. I was thoroughly bored through school and high school (the notion of segregating kids by skill was anathema back then over here, maybe still is). I never actually learned how to study since I could coast by just doing nothing at all. Then I went to engineering school and it all went terribly, terribly wrong. :blush:
I was considered some kind of brainiac.
Quote from: Malthus on June 27, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
Heh, same with me - here in Ontario when I was growing up, kids were streamed into various levels, level 5 being the "ordinary" one, I got streamed into level 6 in HS - the "enriched" one - based on some sort of standardized test I was given as a kid.
My oldest brother was initially to be streamed into the "retard" level in junior high, where kids were essentially taught how to be useful in society by taking on basic and menial tasks, but my parents objected. He went on to become a professor in quantum physics ... :lol:
Suffice it to say I'm not a great believer in the predictive power of such standardized testing.
I guess I followed the same development path as your brother, only topping out at a lower level. I've wondered whether the fact I test out as somewhat bright isn't a function of the fact I was in a very education oriented home with lots of parental involvement in learning (I'm guessing your brother was too). Maybe if I was placed in a more typical household if I wouldn't have been the dolt I was expected to be based on early childhood testing.
Quote from: derspiess on June 27, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 27, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
Suffice it to say I'm not a great believer in the predictive power of such standardized testing.
There are outliers for sure, but I always wished the US went with something like that model. It was a huge drag being stuck in "general"classes in Elementary through Junior High with kids who clearly did not have at least average mental aptitude. I got bored (or maybe occasionally entertained) when the entire class came to a screeching halt because a kid in the back couldn't read anywhere close to his grade level.
Not that I consider myself a brainiac-- just that where I come from the dumb kids were *really* dumb.
What seems to happen in reality up here at least, is that kids are effectively "streamed" by socio-economic level, depending on where they live. Hence, being in a "good school area" is a selling-point for real estate, which drives up house prices, effectively restricting such areas to those who can afford them - which in turn means that classes are composed of kids who are not, in general, brutally uneducated. If you live in a "bad school area", you send your kid to a private school if you can afford it.
This isn't fair, but politicians are highly resistant to using standardized testing for streaming these days. They ended that in 1999 because they found that kids from poor families were vastly more likely to be "streamed" into a lower stream.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/04/29/lowincome_streaming_in_ontario_high_schools_alive_and_well_report_says.html
In short, either way they did it, with "streaming" based on standardized tests or not, the same thing appears to happen - kids from higher socio-economic groups do better because their parents work the system to the kid's advantage. Or alternatively (depending on one's political beliefs) the kids are simply more likely to be smart, or are more likey to be socialized to value education - you can take your pick ...
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
I guess I followed the same development path as your brother, only topping out at a lower level. I've wondered whether the fact I test out as somewhat bright isn't a function of the fact I was in a very education oriented home with lots of parental involvement in learning (I'm guessing your brother was too). Maybe if I was placed in a more typical household if I wouldn't have been the dolt I was expected to be based on early childhood testing.
Yup. My parents were dissatisfied with the "streaming" result and worked the system, never resting until they got a result they agreed with.
In another household, no doubt my brother would be pushing a mop about now.
I used to be angry that the retarded Swedish system where everyone was supposed to be equally bad (because anything else would be elitist and horrible) kept me from coming anywhere near my potential in school. After I had my moral epiphany in late 2003 it no longer upsets me at all.
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
People sitting around bad-mouthing Mensa? I dunno.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
I doubt it. One of the universal laws of the Internet is that forum threads about IQ consist mainly of hidden brag/false modesty gambits, where someone mentions how high they scored on IQ test, and then say how little it means. Merely becoming a member of Mensa already means that you're not interested in either hiding your brags or feigning modesty.
I am extremely intelligent and I think that intelligence is very important.
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
I doubt it. One of the universal laws of the Internet is that forum threads about IQ consist mainly of hidden brag/false modesty gambits, where someone mentions how high they scored on IQ test, and then say how little it means. Merely becoming a member of Mensa already means that you're not interested in either hiding your brags or feigning modesty.
I think that the fact that I did score high is a good indicator how little it means.
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
I doubt it. One of the universal laws of the Internet is that forum threads about IQ consist mainly of hidden brag/false modesty gambits, where someone mentions how high they scored on IQ test, and then say how little it means. Merely becoming a member of Mensa already means that you're not interested in either hiding your brags or feigning modesty.
As already noted, a better hidden brag gambit would be to mention how low one scored on an IQ test, rather than how high. After all, if you scored really high, and are bragging about it, the obvious follow up is "so what have you invented/discovered/achieved with your incredible brains, genius?". If the answer is "nothing", it takes the wind right out of that boasting. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 27, 2014, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
I would imagine a Mensa meeting goes a lot like this thread. :D
I doubt it. One of the universal laws of the Internet is that forum threads about IQ consist mainly of hidden brag/false modesty gambits, where someone mentions how high they scored on IQ test, and then say how little it means. Merely becoming a member of Mensa already means that you're not interested in either hiding your brags or feigning modesty.
As already noted, a better hidden brag gambit would be to mention how low one scored on an IQ test, rather than how high. After all, if you scored really high, and are bragging about it, the obvious follow up is "so what have you invented/discovered/achieved with your incredible brains, genius?". If the answer is "nothing", it takes the wind right out of that boasting. :lol:
I agree with that. I live in my parents basement and I'm 32 years old. I barely passed highschool and never finished college. If that's what a high IQ gets you, I'd much rather be a little on the dull side.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 27, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Oh fuck yeah! I was just checking out the Mensa site and while they don't take SAT scores, they do take GMAT scores! I'm going to join Mensa.* :yeah:
*I might never get around to this.
My LSAT score gets me in too! :yeah: Can't wait to hit the Mensa conventions with you, D4.
Not mine. :( Kind close-ish though.
Quote from: merithyn on June 27, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2014, 12:39:28 PM
I don't think it is vastly over-rated. On average, people with high IQ with lead more successful lives than people with low IQs. It doesn't necessarily mean that they would amount to some extraordinary cases that are many standard deviations away from the mean. For that other factors are important, and in fact sometimes high IQ may prevent wild success (because high IQ people are probably more risk averse and will not go for broke as often).
Is this actually true, though? I mean, I know that I've read several studies that kids in Talented & Gifted programs crash and burn in college more often than average kids, resulting in serious employment deficits.
I don't constitute a study.
Ide can join me in beating up these nerds.
NERDS! NERDS! NERDS!
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Nerds beating up nerds, lol.
Quote from: derspiess on June 27, 2014, 10:09:25 PM
Nerds beating up nerds, lol.
You aren't invited. How rude.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 27, 2014, 02:45:30 PM
I agree with that. I live in my parents basement and I'm 32 years old. I barely passed highschool and never finished college. If that's what a high IQ gets you, I'd much rather be a little on the dull side.
Raz wins the award for the most well disguised high IQ humble brag ever.
Damn straight.
Quote from: Barrister on June 27, 2014, 11:47:20 AMHell I might have had the most high profile job, and really all I do is go after drunk drivers in court.
And all I do is defend them. :(
Seriously, the true value of IQ testing is what Valmy said, in identifying people with cognitive deficits. I've found it useful in understanding my borderline clients (~70-80 IQ). It isn't low enough to get legally excused from any culpability, but it isn't high enough to provide a good grasp of concepts like: cause-and-effect; projecting oneself into the future; impulse control; consequences; etc.
I projected myself into the future once, and my dishes were really gross.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 29, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
And all I do is defend them. :(
Seriously, the true value of IQ testing is what Valmy said, in identifying people with cognitive deficits. I've found it useful in understanding my borderline clients (~70-80 IQ). It isn't low enough to get legally excused from any culpability, but it isn't high enough to provide a good grasp of concepts like: cause-and-effect; projecting oneself into the future; impulse control; consequences; etc.
I mentioned the girl I know that told me her IQ was 74. Is it clear to you that people in that range are not really playing with a full deck?
I'm asking because I've never known what to make of it. Before I would have thought serious punishments are not cool for someone in that range, but I'd never have guessed she was in that range before she said so.
I don't know when she was tested, and she immigrated from another country at a young age, so it is possible her score is actually invalid.
74 would seem within the range of the pretty dysfunctional to me, but I'm a layman. I bet it's invalid.
When it comes to low IQs, you have to differentiate between really unintelligent people, and people with a developmental disorder, where low IQ is just one of many symptoms. You have to be careful not to mix up cause and effect there.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 29, 2014, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 29, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
And all I do is defend them. :(
Seriously, the true value of IQ testing is what Valmy said, in identifying people with cognitive deficits. I've found it useful in understanding my borderline clients (~70-80 IQ). It isn't low enough to get legally excused from any culpability, but it isn't high enough to provide a good grasp of concepts like: cause-and-effect; projecting oneself into the future; impulse control; consequences; etc.
I mentioned the girl I know that told me her IQ was 74. Is it clear to you that people in that range are not really playing with a full deck?
I'm asking because I've never known what to make of it. Before I would have thought serious punishments are not cool for someone in that range, but I'd never have guessed she was in that range before she said so.
I don't know when she was tested, and she immigrated from another country at a young age, so it is possible her score is actually invalid.
If she graduated from college and is functional at work it's almost certainly invalid. She might not be the smartest, but something like 94 is more believable.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 29, 2014, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 29, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
And all I do is defend them. :(
Seriously, the true value of IQ testing is what Valmy said, in identifying people with cognitive deficits. I've found it useful in understanding my borderline clients (~70-80 IQ). It isn't low enough to get legally excused from any culpability, but it isn't high enough to provide a good grasp of concepts like: cause-and-effect; projecting oneself into the future; impulse control; consequences; etc.
I mentioned the girl I know that told me her IQ was 74. Is it clear to you that people in that range are not really playing with a full deck?
I'm asking because I've never known what to make of it. Before I would have thought serious punishments are not cool for someone in that range, but I'd never have guessed she was in that range before she said so.
I don't know when she was tested, and she immigrated from another country at a young age, so it is possible her score is actually invalid.
Well, there a couple things in play. If you don't give a shit about the test and don't try hard, you're going to get an incorrectly low score. (As the psychiatrists who don't want to find our clients incompetent. Same with ADHD, if you can't focus on the test, you'll score lower than you would if you were medicated could concentrate.
Guessing totally, but I'd bet she does not have a 74 IQ. All the people I've met at that level have had substantial learning disorders, as well as just general behavioral problems, that preclude successful post-secondary education.
With some people it's more obvious than with others. We had a client around that score who was definitely impaired, he couldn't remember his own birthday, but he'd been hanging out with the local bad boys long enough that he knew the legal lingo pretty well, which hurt his chances of being declared incompetent.
My IQ is in triple digits - however, one of them is a zero.
Quote from: PDH on June 29, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
My IQ is in triple digits - however, one of them is a zero.
140? No need to brag, Einstein. :rolleyes:
PDH, tell the truth, are all 3 of them are zeros?
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
When it comes to low IQs, you have to differentiate between really unintelligent people, and people with a developmental disorder, where low IQ is just one of many symptoms. You have to be careful not to mix up cause and effect there.
That's a fair point, Guller. I wonder how low intelligence, distinct from other developmental disorders, impacts the kind of impulse- control/planning/etc. skills that my clients often lack.
It could be that someone who tested very low as a child, but was raised in a well-educated upper-middle class family, might end up going to college since that's the thing to do for people of that class, and god knows there are colleges who will accept anybody. And it's not too hard to pass from those schools. But along the way, they would be inculcated into "pro-social" cognitive skills.
Whereas someone who tested low as a child, but was raised in constant strife by parents who dropped out of high school, might develop the kind of cognitive issues that bear on their ability to conform appropriately to social and legal standards of behavior.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 30, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
When it comes to low IQs, you have to differentiate between really unintelligent people, and people with a developmental disorder, where low IQ is just one of many symptoms. You have to be careful not to mix up cause and effect there.
That's a fair point, Guller. I wonder how low intelligence, distinct from other developmental disorders, impacts the kind of impulse- control/planning/etc. skills that my clients often lack.
It could be that someone who tested very low as a child, but was raised in a well-educated upper-middle class family, might end up going to college since that's the thing to do for people of that class, and god knows there are colleges who will accept anybody. And it's not too hard to pass from those schools. But along the way, they would be inculcated into "pro-social" cognitive skills.
Whereas someone who tested low as a child, but was raised in constant strife by parents who dropped out of high school, might develop the kind of cognitive issues that bear on their ability to conform appropriately to social and legal standards of behavior.
I remember reading somewhere that when they tested young kids from low and high class families based on the usual standardized tests, the kids from low class families fared significantly worse.
Then, the researchers repeated the test - but offered candies as a reward for correct answers. This time, the testing proved much more even (I think the low class kids still fared worse, but not by nearly as much).
What differed, according to this research, was the immediacy of the reward. High class kids more likely absorb the notion of doing boring shit (i.e., working hard on a test) because the reward is presumed to exist some time in the future, or is abstract (such as getting social acceptance for a future good result). Low class kids are more likely to require an immediate and tangible reward for applying themselves, and this difference influences how they do on such tests - in short, it may be this difference and not "innate intelligence" that is being measured.
That is why my Dad always bribed the kids with Hot Chocolate for each section :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 30, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 30, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
When it comes to low IQs, you have to differentiate between really unintelligent people, and people with a developmental disorder, where low IQ is just one of many symptoms. You have to be careful not to mix up cause and effect there.
That's a fair point, Guller. I wonder how low intelligence, distinct from other developmental disorders, impacts the kind of impulse- control/planning/etc. skills that my clients often lack.
It could be that someone who tested very low as a child, but was raised in a well-educated upper-middle class family, might end up going to college since that's the thing to do for people of that class, and god knows there are colleges who will accept anybody. And it's not too hard to pass from those schools. But along the way, they would be inculcated into "pro-social" cognitive skills.
Whereas someone who tested low as a child, but was raised in constant strife by parents who dropped out of high school, might develop the kind of cognitive issues that bear on their ability to conform appropriately to social and legal standards of behavior.
I remember reading somewhere that when they tested young kids from low and high class families based on the usual standardized tests, the kids from low class families fared significantly worse.
Then, the researchers repeated the test - but offered candies as a reward for correct answers. This time, the testing proved much more even (I think the low class kids still fared worse, but not by nearly as much).
What differed, according to this research, was the immediacy of the reward. High class kids more likely absorb the notion of doing boring shit (i.e., working hard on a test) because the reward is presumed to exist some time in the future, or is abstract (such as getting social acceptance for a future good result). Low class kids are more likely to require an immediate and tangible reward for applying themselves, and this difference influences how they do on such tests - in short, it may be this difference and not "innate intelligence" that is being measured.
:hmm: It can also be that high class kids were taught not to accept candies from strangers.
Low class families? High class families? Wtf is this shit?
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Low class families? High class families? Wtf is this shit?
Trashy
DAT CLASS
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Low class families? High class families? Wtf is this shit?
Ladder theory.
Quote from: MBLadder theory.
Stroller corollary.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 30, 2014, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Low class families? High class families? Wtf is this shit?
Ladder theory.
The ladder theory has nothing to do with class warfare.
Malthus friend-zoned the woman with less money.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 08:46:12 PM
Malthus friend-zoned the woman with less money.
Yes, because wealth is part of what make a person attractive.
For females wealth translates as economic security for her and her future children, specially after her biological clock starts kicking.
For males wealth are part of an equation in which the prettier the female is, the less wealth she requires to get placed in our ladder.
In other words, an average-looking rich chick could potentially place higher than a poor pretty girl. If she is extremely poor, which means extremely uneducated, she needs to be extremely pretty to place.
Malthus friend was not pretty enough to place in his ladder without wealth/education.
I know the framework, Siege.
I actually buy, for the most part, the key postulate--that every relationship is transactional. (Transactional being far more encompassing than financial or sexual, of course.)
I also think ladder theory in its strong form, which seeks--like any economic model--to reduce all buyers and sellers to interchangeable actors with the same tastes, interests, and hang-ups is at best only a predictive supplement to behavior, and at worst an attempt by losers and sociopathic winners to impose order upon their environment. In this regard, as well as in its base misogyny, it fits well into the Judeo-Christian tradition.
That said, I ain't saying Malthus is a gold digger, but...
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
That said, I ain't saying Malthus is a gold digger, but...
but...Malthus got standards and you don't?
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
That said, I ain't saying Malthus is a gold digger, but...
He ain't messin' round with no broke niggas. They can't keep him in luxury strollers.
Quote from: Siege on June 30, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 30, 2014, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Low class families? High class families? Wtf is this shit?
Ladder theory.
The ladder theory has nothing to do with class warfare.
ITS A HEIGHT JOKE, YOU MEATHEAD
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
That said, I ain't saying Malthus is a gold digger, but...
I would be, if I was single and ever had the opportunity. And the owner of the gold was hott. :D
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
If you are a genius, it doesn't translate to an ability to predict an outcome of a soccer game.
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
If you are a genius, it doesn't translate to an ability to predict an outcome of a soccer game.
I forgot to save my picks! I'm of the absent-minded kind.
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
This is the shittiest humblebrag ever.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 01, 2014, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
This is the shittiest humblebrag ever.
Yeah, this is even worse than the time I complained that having a huge penis wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
Ah, I wanted to say something clever but I forgot.
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2014, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 01, 2014, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
This is the shittiest humblebrag ever.
Yeah, this is even worse than the time I complained that having a huge penis wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
Who told you that? Works fine for me.
[spoiler]Sorry, couldn't resist.[/spoiler]
Quote from: DGuller on July 01, 2014, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 01, 2014, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
My school tested us for IQ when we were 14 and I got 145. I remember the school's psychologist telling me "yeah, you're technically a genius but don't let it get to your head, you're a pretty bottom-of-the-barrel one".
Is this a good humble brag? TBF I believe I've grown dumber since then.
This is the shittiest humblebrag ever.
Yeah, this is even worse than the time I complained that having a huge penis wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
Floating in a jar of formaldehyde?
I don't suppose it would be. ;)
Quote from: garbon on June 26, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
So is this going to convince Age to finally get legit tested?
Dunno.
I was ignoring this thread because I thought it was about dating until it was referenced in another thread. And yet it turns out to be about IQ tests.
That's probably not a good sign; intelligent people are supposed to be curious. :(