The discussion on intelligence in the other thread got me wondering about which majors fell in the top range for intelligence. I knew that the Engineering, Maths, and Sciences would be at the top. What surprised me was the humanity majors that were also in the top. I mean, seriously? Philosophy as number two? :blink: And I was pretty surprised that Computer & Information Sciences weren't in the top 10.
I only posted the top 20, but you can go here to see the rest of them. Link (http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/)
DISCLAIMER: I know nothing about the website or how accurate their claims are. I thought it would be a good starting point for a discussion, nonetheless.
QuoteGraduate Record Examination Scores
Standard Deviation +/- 0.80
Verbal SAT Quant SAT Average SAT Average IQ
Physics & Astronomy 533 736 1269 133
Philosophy 590 638 1228 129
Mathematical Sciences 502 733 1235 130
Materials Engineering 494 727 1221 129
Economics 503 706 1209 128
Chemical Engineering 485 726 1211 128
Other Engineering 493 714 1207 128
Mechanical Engineering 469 724 1193 126
Other Humanities & Art 563 599 1162 124
Physical Sciences 486 697 1183 125
Engineering 468 719 1187 126
Electrical Engineering 459 726 1185 126
Banking & finance 467 711 1178 125
Chemistry 486 680 1166 124
Computer &
Information Science 466 701 1167 124
Civil Engineering 457 700 1157 124
Religion & Theory 541 589 1130 121
Industrial Engineering 440 707 1147 123
Earth, Atmos &
Mar. Science 495 636 1131 121
English Language &
Literature 560 553 1113 120
I thought only old people like me had only two SAT catagories and the kids these days have scores like 1935.
And did you seriously type 'maths'? :bowler:
Religion & Theory? They don't mix, do they?
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
And I was pretty surprised that Computer & Information Sciences weren't in the top 10.
Get rid of all the engineering subdivisions and it squeaks in.
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
Philosophy as number two? :blink:
Ok, I have to break my rule and respond. Really? You wonder why people who engage in critical thought are smart?
Pffft CC caved so easily.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:25:53 PM
I thought only old people like me had only two SAT catagories and the kids these days have scores like 1935.
And did you seriously type 'maths'? :bowler:
Dunno. I haven't taken the SAT in 25 years. No idea how they do them now.
And I like how maths sounds. :bowler:
:facepalm:
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 27, 2013, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
Philosophy as number two? :blink:
Ok, I have to break my rule and respond. Really? You wonder why people who engage in critical thought are smart?
Philosophy is indeed number two.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 27, 2013, 03:28:41 PM
Ok, I have to break my rule and respond. Really? You wonder why people who engage in critical thought are smart?
Damn, that was quick.
I say that because the people I knew who went into philosophy usually did so after dropping out of business or education or something like that. I loved the philosophy classes that I took, but they didn't seem overtly challenging. Of course, I wasn't taking 300 or 400 level classes either. *shrugs*
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Pffft CC caved so easily.
Yeah, its like she went out of her way to post something stupid to get me. :(
It's curious that the title lists Graduate Record Examination Scores, and then lists SAT scores rather than GRE.
Also the Standard Deviation is suspiciously small.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
It's curious that the title lists Graduate Record Examination Scores, and then lists SAT scores rather than GRE.
Ok if it is GRE scores that would make better sense.
We had the exact same thing, except ACT scores, a while back.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Also the Standard Deviation is suspiciously small.
:huh: How big should it be?
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 27, 2013, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Pffft CC caved so easily.
Yeah, its like she went out of her way to post something stupid to get me. :(
:console:
Quote from: DGuller on August 27, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Also the Standard Deviation is suspiciously small.
:huh: How big should it be?
Big enough to touch the ground.
Assuming a Normal Distribution 99.7% of all people in the same major would have to be within 4.8 points on the SAT for .8 to be an accurate σ.
When I went to Marshall <shudder> if you'd ask the dumbest person in whatever class I was in what their major was, they'd always reply, "Bizness".
Things have changed since Marshall's business school made some improvements, but for some reason that still sticks in my head & makes me chuckle.
It's "Bidness."
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2013, 03:55:28 PM
When I went to Marshall <shudder> if you'd ask the dumbest person in whatever class I was in what their major was, they'd always reply, "Bizness".
Things have changed since Marshall's business school made some improvements, but for some reason that still sticks in my head & makes me chuckle.
Wow the dumbest person at Marshall? Amazed they could breathe oxygen.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
Assuming a Normal Distribution 99.7% of all people in the same major would have to be within 4.8 points on the SAT for .8 to be an accurate σ.
Too many English majors at ETS.
They must have meant the confidence interval for the population means, no?
Subtopic: bizness is the euphemism the Mafia uses, bidness is what negroes say.
Also rednecks and whatever that super old, super white professor of mine was. "Bidness" I thought it was funny, at least for a little while. Then it was just bidness.
Iirc philosophy as is usually taught is more like logical construction and argument, thus akin to mathematics. So theoretically useful if unfortunately lumped together with lame stuff like how, say, Democritus' made-up fantasy universe vaguely resembled actual science done with experimentation, measurement, and intellectual rigor.
Anyway, I was a bit surprised to see that engineering average falls into the stupid range, but of course they make up for barely being able to speak English in being good at math. ("Stupid" is defined as any SAT score equal to or below my own.)
The interesting thing, though, is that a borderline-retarded verbal score can evidently put you right in the middle of any field of study.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 27, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Anyway, I was a bit surprised to see that engineering average falls into the stupid range, but of course they make up for barely being able to speak English in being good at math. ("Stupid" is defined as any SAT score equal to or below my own.)
It's like blind people having superior hearing. :)
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
The discussion on intelligence in the other thread got me wondering about which majors fell in the top range for intelligence. Blah blah blah
I have nothing regarding this topic, I just want to ask, what thread was this? I hope not the 44 page 25 year old and in debt thread I have so far ignored.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
Wow the dumbest person at Marshall? Amazed they could breathe oxygen.
You have no idea.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 27, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Also the Standard Deviation is suspiciously small.
:huh: How big should it be?
Big enough to touch the ground.
Assuming a Normal Distribution 99.7% of all people in the same major would have to be within 4.8 points on the SAT for .8 to be an accurate σ.
SEE FUCKING MATH YEAH.
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 27, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
The discussion on intelligence in the other thread got me wondering about which majors fell in the top range for intelligence. Blah blah blah
I have nothing regarding this topic, I just want to ask, what thread was this? I hope not the 44 page 25 year old and in debt thread I have so far ignored.
153 pages and yes.
Holy crap, is the thread really that long?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
Holy crap, is the thread really that long?
Has the economy structurally changed?
Quote from: Ideologue on August 27, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
The interesting thing, though, is that a borderline-retarded verbal score can evidently put you right in the middle of any field of study.
No shit.
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2013, 03:55:28 PM
When I went to Marshall <shudder> if you'd ask the dumbest person in whatever class I was in what their major was, they'd always reply, "Bizness".
Things have changed since Marshall's business school made some improvements, but for some reason that still sticks in my head & makes me chuckle.
The dumbest people at Boston U were always Communications majors, which is interesting since it's supposedly got one of the best Communication schools in the country. :)
Ooooo, dumb college graduates. I once had some sports management donk apply for a supply chain position.
Kid was a moron. Nice guy, but a moron.
I've met a bunch of people who are getting doctorates in communications at Iowa. :wacko:
Seriously, a PhD on how to write a press release?
Wackiestest has got to be a PhD progam on books and printing or somesuch. From what I've been told it seems like they write dissertations on fonts, bindings, and paper stock.
About half of my freshmen floormates were Comm majors. For some reason they all had to take International Relations 101. All I heard all semester was "ZOMG THIS CLASS IS SO HARED!!!!!"
The next year I took the same class with the same professor and sleepwalked my way through it and got an A. I think I went to like 3 of the lectures and did maybe 25% of the reading. :sleep:
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 27, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 27, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Also the Standard Deviation is suspiciously small.
:huh: How big should it be?
Big enough to touch the ground.
Assuming a Normal Distribution 99.7% of all people in the same major would have to be within 4.8 points on the SAT for .8 to be an accurate σ.
I think that's not what it means. I think this is the standard deviation of the estimate of the average. It's basically margin of error divided by 1.96.
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
I think I went to like 3 of the lectures and did maybe 25% of the reading. :sleep:
:blink: Why...would...you....
I just do not get people who pay shitloads to take a class and never show up.
Dude, it was BORING. It was shit I already knew! How is listening to a lecture about stuff I already know a good use of my time?
You know what would have been a good use of my time though? Offering to tutor the multitude of hot, yet dim, female Communication majors who couldn't hack that class. :Embarrass:
:hmm: I just remembered something. There were also lots of dumb Education majors there. :)
Was Captain Hook president when you went there Cal?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
Was Captain Hook president when you went there Cal?
:lol:
Yep, and I liked him, other than his puritanical overnight guest policies.
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
:hmm: I just remembered something. There were also lots of dumb Education majors there. :)
Always cracked me up to find out that some of our dumbest teachers in junior high & high school had Masters in Education from Marshall. Marshall was supposedly reputed to be one of the better teaching schools, but looking back that must of just been a local urban legend.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
I think I went to like 3 of the lectures and did maybe 25% of the reading. :sleep:
:blink: Why...would...you....
I just do not get people who pay shitloads to take a class and never show up.
For the credits.
Listed average IQs seem awfully high, unless we're talking elite institutions only.
I hate Education Majors.
I get a boatload in my class because it is an intro class in History...but goddamn they are awful.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
I've met a bunch of people who are getting doctorates in communications at Iowa. :wacko:
Seriously, a PhD on how to write a press release?
I'd like to know what that's all about, too. That seems to be a bit...excessive.
QuoteWackiestest has got to be a PhD progam on books and printing or somesuch. From what I've been told it seems like they write dissertations on fonts, bindings, and paper stock.
It's a dying art. Somebody has to pass on the knowledge.
Quote from: Iormlund on August 27, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Listed average IQs seem awfully high, unless we're talking elite institutions only.
It would make more sense if it is the Graduate Record Exam (as it says in the title) rather than the SAT. A much smaller population would take the GRE and the verbal score runs much lower then the quantitative.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
Wackiestest has got to be a PhD progam on books and printing or somesuch. From what I've been told it seems like they write dissertations on fonts, bindings, and paper stock.
I'd love to get into a book restoration program. There are very few programs in the world anymore who teach it, which means that a lot of ancient books are in danger. Restoration is very much an artform, especially for book bindings older than the 1800s.
On top of that, the PhD would be incredibly useful for identifying old books versus forgeries. There's pretty good money in that, from what I've heard, though, of course, it's not regular pay.
Books... :wub:
Books. How antiquated.
Quote from: DGuller on August 27, 2013, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 27, 2013, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Pffft CC caved so easily.
Yeah, its like she went out of her way to post something stupid to get me. :(
:console:
You know, you both have the option to just not respond to anything that I write. Really and truly. It's okay. I promise that I won't miss you. In fact, I'm guessing it would be a kindness to many if you didn't.
Actually, I indulged in going to my favorite used bookstore in sf. Only ended up with 4 as I put several back. :blush:
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:29:15 PM
And I like how maths sounds. :bowler:
Please, just don't. I can tolerate, even embrace other Britishisms, but Americans saying "maths" is like nails on a chalkboard.
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2013, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:29:15 PM
And I like how maths sounds. :bowler:
Please, just don't. I can tolerate, even embrace other Britishisms, but Americans saying "maths" is like nails on a chalkboard.
:unsure:
Well... you ask so little... I suppose that I can... just for you. :)
LOVE YOU MERI :hug:
Why is it many maths but only one science?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Why is it many maths but only one science?
Nah, I usually say sciences, too.
... but apparently Brits do not.
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2013, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 03:29:15 PM
And I like how maths sounds. :bowler:
Please, just don't. I can tolerate, even embrace other Britishisms, but Americans saying "maths" is like nails on a chalkboard.
Yeah, I can handle that "on holiday", "at hospital" and "to university" bullshit, and even how they fuck up stuff like "schedule", but that's over the fucking line. Maths. Oh, fuck no.
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 27, 2013, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 27, 2013, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
Pffft CC caved so easily.
Yeah, its like she went out of her way to post something stupid to get me. :(
:console:
You know, you both have the option to just not respond to anything that I write. Really and truly. It's okay. I promise that I won't miss you. In fact, I'm guessing it would be a kindness to many if you didn't.
But where is the fun in that?
To the computer programmers out there, I have a question. I know that for a Comp Sci degree there are a slew of maths... er... math classes that are required, up to and beyond Calculus IV or some such. I decided today to just move forward and get my AS in Database Programming. The only math class that I'm required to take for that is Statistics (which, thankfully, I took the first time through for an A).
Why is such a high math necessary for Comp Sci? What will I be missing if I don't choose to take any additional math classes when I go into the work force?
Weird. I got a higher score then the top average on IQ and I couldn't hack in college. I find that kind of disturbing.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Weird. I got a higher score then the top average on IQ and I couldn't hack in college. I find that kind of disturbing.
That's an average of all those who took the GRE after majoring in those subjects. There will most likely be people with much higher IQs in those particular programs.
The average for my undergrad major is 119. My IQ tops the highest average, too. I helped balance those with an IQ of 70 finishing a degree in History. :D
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Weird. I got a higher score then the top average on IQ and I couldn't hack in college. I find that kind of disturbing.
That's an average of all those who took the GRE after majoring in those subjects. There will most likely be people with much higher IQs in those particular programs.
The average for my undergrad major is 119. My IQ tops the highest average, too. I helped balance those with an IQ of 70 finishing a degree in History. :D
You have to understand I didn't learn left from right or how to tie my shoe until I was a in 7th grade. The idea of someone dumber then me working at a nuclear plant is scary.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2013, 08:32:26 PM
You have to understand I didn't learn left from right or how to tie my shoe until I was a in 7th grade. The idea of someone dumber then me working at a nuclear plant is scary.
You can be very bright and still not very coordinated. :hug:
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 08:13:59 PM
To the computer programmers out there, I have a question. I know that for a Comp Sci degree there are a slew of maths... er... math classes that are required, up to and beyond Calculus IV or some such. I decided today to just move forward and get my AS in Database Programming. The only math class that I'm required to take for that is Statistics (which, thankfully, I took the first time through for an A).
Why is such a high math necessary for Comp Sci? What will I be missing if I don't choose to take any additional math classes when I go into the work force?
Well there isn't really a direct application for calculus to general computer science, but it is required for an engineering degree. Similar thing with physics.
Computer science itself is approximately half math and half Engineering. Many of the math classes are not something you will see much of outside of a CS degree, though, things like discrete structures, algorithms and computational theory. Of the general math courses I took I think the only one you are missing is linear algebra, and I don't think you'll miss that much unless you get into something like scientific computing, in which case you would also want stuff like calculus and differential equations.
Quote from: Maximus on August 27, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
Well there isn't really a direct application for calculus to general computer science, but it is required for an engineering degree. Similar thing with physics.
Computer science itself is approximately half math and half Engineering. Many of the math classes are not something you will see much of outside of a CS degree, though, things like discrete structures, algorithms and computational theory. Of the general math courses I took I think the only one you are missing is linear algebra, and I don't think you'll miss that much unless you get into something like scientific computing, in which case you would also want stuff like calculus and differential equations.
So, not taking Calculus isn't going to mean that I'm a terrible programmer? That's kind of what I was asking. :)
By the way, when you get home, say that again to me.... :perv: It's like French only more foreign.
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
So, not taking Calculus isn't going to mean that I'm a terrible programmer? That's kind of what I was asking. :)
In 8 years of programming after graduating with a CS degree, I attempted to use Calculus exactly once in my actual day job. Along with another graduate from the same CS program, we set up our double integral, got a completely nonsensical result, said "fuck it" and did some discrete approximations to reach "close enough."
So you're fine.
Quote from: ulmont on August 27, 2013, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 27, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
So, not taking Calculus isn't going to mean that I'm a terrible programmer? That's kind of what I was asking. :)
In 8 years of programming after graduating with a CS degree, I attempted to use Calculus exactly once in my actual day job. Along with another graduate from the same CS program, we set up our double integral, got a completely nonsensical result, said "fuck it" and did some discrete approximations to reach "close enough."
So you're fine.
Thanks!
Math helps a lot when there's a need for complex or very efficient algorithms. When working with large DBs, for example, a query can grind the system to a halt if you don't understand how they are executed internally (relational databases are based on something called Set Theory).
As Max says, knowledge of math is one of the things that makes you an engineer rather than a simple programmer.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
I think I went to like 3 of the lectures and did maybe 25% of the reading. :sleep:
:blink: Why...would...you....
I just do not get people who pay shitloads to take a class and never show up.
For the credits.
Yeah, I never quite understood that attitude. For me university was an amazing experience that opened up whole new areas of thought I never even suspected existed. I took more courses than I needed to graduate simply because I wanted to learn as much as possible.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 28, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
Yeah, I never quite understood that attitude. For me university was an amazing experience that opened up whole new areas of thought I never even suspected existed. I took more courses than I needed to graduate simply because I wanted to learn as much as possible.
Agreed.
I always had a blast; even in classes I got miserable grades in, I still learned.
And now that I'm going back, I'm having even a bigger blast. I remember being younger, classmates rolling their eyes at the engaged older students in the back, always raising their hands, always participating; now that I'm That Guy, I hope I drive the little shits crazier. Hell, even relationships with professors are different when you're older; they take a different attitude with you, and I've maintained positive correspondences with them, even with a couple I had from more than 10 years ago. I ever need academic references, I've got plenty to choose from.
Shit, classes don't start for me tomorrow, and I've already got a head start on the readings for next week. Never would've done that when I was 19, or even 29.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2013, 10:23:21 AM
I always had a blast; even in classes I got miserable grades in, I still learned.
And now that I'm going back, I'm having even a bigger blast. I remember being younger, classmates rolling their eyes at the engaged older students in the back, always raising their hands, always participating; now that I'm That Guy, I hope I drive the little shits crazier. Hell, even relationships with professors are different when you're older; they take a different attitude with you, and I've maintained positive correspondences with them, even with a couple I had from more than 10 years ago. I ever need academic references, I've got plenty to choose from.
Shit, classes don't start for me tomorrow, and I've already got a head start on the readings for next week. Never would've done that when I was 19, or even 29.
:yes:
I absolutely love my classes now. They make me crazy(ier) because I tend toward the nervous if things aren't well organized, but I love them. I would give up a lot to go back to school full time, but for now, I'll take the two classes I'm in and run with them.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 28, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
I think I went to like 3 of the lectures and did maybe 25% of the reading. :sleep:
:blink: Why...would...you....
I just do not get people who pay shitloads to take a class and never show up.
For the credits.
Yeah, I never quite understood that attitude. For me university was an amazing experience that opened up whole new areas of thought I never even suspected existed. I took more courses than I needed to graduate simply because I wanted to learn as much as possible.
There were classes that were mandatory and shitty. I skipped them after they seemed to offer nothing of interest.
If you are just taking it for the credits or because it is mandatory that seems reckless. I mean you either need or want an A in this stupid class so why would you risk it by skipping class? I had to take this retarded theatre class but I damn made sure I was there to hear about Lesbian theatre rejecting patriarchal structures like characters and plots and scripts in their bold efforts to make theatre as shitty as possible. Because when a class is that stupid I would hate myself forever if I do not get an A.
Cal got lucky though but man...that was ballsy.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 10:51:46 AM
If you are just taking it for the credits or because it is mandatory that seems reckless. I mean you either need or want an A in this stupid class so why would you risk it by skipping class? I had to take this retarded theatre class but I damn made sure I was there to hear about Lesbian theatre rejecting patriarchal structures like characters and plots and scripts in their bold efforts to make theatre as shitty as possible. Because when a class is that stupid I would hate myself forever if I do not get an A.
Cal got lucky though but man...that was ballsy.
I skipped lectures sometimes. I was confident enough that I could learn the material without attending the lectures, and being bored for two hours straight comes at a cost as well.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 10:51:46 AM
If you are just taking it for the credits or because it is mandatory that seems reckless. I mean you either need or want an A in this stupid class so why would you risk it by skipping class? I had to take this retarded theatre class but I damn made sure I was there to hear about Lesbian theatre rejecting patriarchal structures like characters and plots and scripts in their bold efforts to make theatre as shitty as possible. Because when a class is that stupid I would hate myself forever if I do not get an A.
Cal got lucky though but man...that was ballsy.
Well one, you might not care - as who will know? Also in many cases, it wasn't necessary to attend lectures to get a good grade. When I took sociology of culture, I ended with an A- despite not buying the course reader or attending any lectures (after the first couple weeks). Similarly when I took the intro to stats class, it met 5 times a week with one of those days been an open note, open book exam. Professor would had out lecture notes for the upcoming week on the day of the exam. I would go on exam days.
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 10:55:53 AM
I skipped lectures sometimes. I was confident enough that I could learn the material without attending the lectures, and being bored for two hours straight comes at a cost as well.
Since I went back to school in 2009 I can count my missed lectures on zero hands. But, granted, I am well aware I have alot riding on this.
Quote from: garbon on August 28, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Well one, you might not care - as who will know? Also in many cases, it wasn't necessary to attend lectures to get a good grade. When I took sociology of culture, I ended with an A- despite not buying the course reader or attending any lectures (after the first couple weeks). Similarly when I took the intro to stats class, it met 5 times a week with one of those days been an open note, open book exam. Professor would had out lecture notes for the upcoming week on the day of the exam. I would go on exam days.
I still have nightmares because I did that kind of thing. :ph34r: Kid you not, I'll wake up in a cold sweat, absolutely certain that I skipped an entire semester of lectures, only to show up on the last day to take a final that I knew nothing about.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 10:55:53 AM
I skipped lectures sometimes. I was confident enough that I could learn the material without attending the lectures, and being bored for two hours straight comes at a cost as well.
Since I went back to school in 2009 I can count my missed lectures on zero hands. But, granted, I am well aware I have alot riding on this.
In the big scheme of things, if occasionally you turn an A into A- or B+ because you skipped some lectures, it's not really a big deal. If you always drop down a grade because you skip lectures, then obviously you really shouldn't be skipping lectures.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 10:55:53 AM
I skipped lectures sometimes. I was confident enough that I could learn the material without attending the lectures, and being bored for two hours straight comes at a cost as well.
Since I went back to school in 2009 I can count my missed lectures on zero hands. But, granted, I am well aware I have alot riding on this.
I've missed half of one lecture. It was my Intro to Comp Sci class, and I hated the professor. He spent the first half of the lecture telling us that the reason that we'd done so poorly on the last exam was because we obviously hadn't done any work. Mind you, he refused to give us our tests back in order to see what we got wrong, and he refused to give us our marks (they weren't put into the system for another month), but he ranted at us for 20 minutes about how stupid we were.
I walked out during the break before I said something that I would regret. :glare:
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 28, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
Yeah, I never quite understood that attitude. For me university was an amazing experience that opened up whole new areas of thought I never even suspected existed.
I got that from books. Unlike lectures, you could pursue a tangent train of thought and then pick up where you left off.
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
In the big scheme of things, if occasionally you turn an A into A- or B+ because you skipped some lectures, it's not really a big deal. If you always drop down a grade because you skip lectures, then obviously you really shouldn't be skipping lectures.
Well to be fair in my case that theatre class was the only class I probably could have skipped. The other easy class I had was Rhetoric but for obvious reasons that one had a huge class participation segment. Everything else has been pretty intense, at one class last semester I even fretted for my career at one point before rallying for a 'B'. Since I already had a degree I already had most of the intro classes.
First day of class for me today BTW. 10 hours + two toddlers + working fulltime. No freetime between here and December.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:06:47 AM
First day of class for me today BTW. 10 hours + two toddlers + working fulltime. No freetime between here and December.
Tell me about it; I have to pack, store, move, repair, and paint--all within the next 6 weeks.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:06:47 AM
Since I already had a degree I already had most of the intro classes.
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
QuoteFirst day of class for me today BTW. 10 hours + two toddlers + working fulltime. No freetime between here and December.
God love ya'. I'm handling six hours + two teenagers + working fulltime, and I'm almost hyperventilating with fear that I won't be able to keep up.
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
You know, I ran into the same problem! Who knew?! :o
I decided yesterday to go for a full AS in Database Programming instead of just going for a Cert in Object-Oriented Programming. I feel like that will give me a bit more of a leg up when I start applying, and I get federal funding for it that way. Win-win!
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
What's the 2nd one for?
You can never know too much history.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2013, 11:30:02 AM
What's the 2nd one for?
Electrical Engineering. Somehow even at the time I knew this was what I wanted to do...I just didn't do it due to youthful idiocy.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
Electrical Engineering.
Shocking.
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:bleeding:
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 11:45:59 AM
:bleeding:
Was going for that with the syringe in Triple Stacker story.
Not surprised at all the Comp Sci is not as highly rnaked in average IQ compared to actual "hard" sciences and engineering.
It is a rigorous major compared to non-science/engineering/math majors, but the reduced math requirements alone make it a lot easier compared to most hard sciences.
It doesn't get really tough until you get into actual computer science - the study of computing as an academic discipline rather than software engineering.
Software engineering from the standpoint of getting ready for a job in the field is not all that rigorous, IMO.
Quote from: Berkut on August 28, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Software engineering from the standpoint of getting ready for a job in the field is not all that rigorous, IMO.
So far it seems about as hard as learning a second language to me. It takes time and effort to learn the syntax, but the actual programming isn't too tough. The more you practice, the better you get, and the more syntax you learn, the better you are at communicating with the computer.
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 28, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Software engineering from the standpoint of getting ready for a job in the field is not all that rigorous, IMO.
So far it seems about as hard as learning a second language to me. It takes time and effort to learn the syntax, but the actual programming isn't too tough. The more you practice, the better you get, and the more syntax you learn, the better you are at communicating with the computer.
Well, kind of - the syntax is actually the easy part.
Once you get that down, actually learning how to write effective code, and how to organize problems in a manner that is conducive to an effective solution is the real trick to programming.
KISS. Make every discrete task as simple as possible.
Quote from: Berkut on August 28, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 28, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Software engineering from the standpoint of getting ready for a job in the field is not all that rigorous, IMO.
So far it seems about as hard as learning a second language to me. It takes time and effort to learn the syntax, but the actual programming isn't too tough. The more you practice, the better you get, and the more syntax you learn, the better you are at communicating with the computer.
Well, kind of - the syntax is actually the easy part.
Once you get that down, actually learning how to write effective code, and how to organize problems in a manner that is conducive to an effective solution is the real trick to programming.
KISS. Make every discrete task as simple as possible.
That's the easy part for me. While everyone else is struggling with how to begin, I know what I want to do and even the easiest path to get there. What I struggle with is getting the syntax correct.
Give it a couple of years. I'm not saying that you'll change your mind, but the programming projects are going to get a hell of a lot harder than they must be right now.
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 01:16:55 PM
Give it a couple of years. I'm not saying that you'll change your mind, but the programming projects are going to get a hell of a lot harder than they must be right now.
Yeah, I don't want to argue it, but the complexity of the projects becomes the limiting factor in success pretty quickly, rather than any syntax.
Hell, once you've been doing it long enough, you don't even care all that much about languages and syntax.
The addage that 90% of *good* software engineering happens before you open the IDE becomes so totally true you don't even find it interesting anymore.
Quote from: Berkut on August 28, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2013, 01:16:55 PM
Give it a couple of years. I'm not saying that you'll change your mind, but the programming projects are going to get a hell of a lot harder than they must be right now.
Yeah, I don't want to argue it, but the complexity of the projects becomes the limiting factor in success pretty quickly, rather than any syntax.
Hell, once you've been doing it long enough, you don't even care all that much about languages and syntax.
The addage that 90% of *good* software engineering happens before you open the IDE becomes so totally true you don't even find it interesting anymore.
I recognize that I'm at the very beginning of all of this, and I have a lot to learn. I also know that it's only going to get harder. My point was only that right now, it seems a lot like learning a foreign language more than anything else.
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 10:51:46 AM
If you are just taking it for the credits or because it is mandatory that seems reckless. I mean you either need or want an A in this stupid class so why would you risk it by skipping class? I had to take this retarded theatre class but I damn made sure I was there to hear about Lesbian theatre rejecting patriarchal structures like characters and plots and scripts in their bold efforts to make theatre as shitty as possible. Because when a class is that stupid I would hate myself forever if I do not get an A.
Cal got lucky though but man...that was ballsy.
Meh. It really depends on the subject and yourself.
I attended Materials class maybe half a dozen times in the whole year (plus labs). I got not just my best grade ever in college, but also the best grade in class.
Learning the syntax(and logic) is a lot more fun than learning the vocabulary(aka the huge variety of library functions).
Yeah. Fortunately languages share tons of functions and a good IDE lets you find out quickly what the equivalent of string.split(Delimiter) or whatever is.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
Learning the syntax(and logic) is a lot more fun than learning the vocabulary(aka the huge variety of library functions).
So far, it seems so. Figuring out programming is a lot like working a logic puzzle, and I really enjoy that.
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:21:33 AM
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Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
You know, I ran into the same problem! Who knew?! :o
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
I was thinking the other day that the problem with history is that undiscovered stuff is running out. Everything now is just a gloss on a gloss on a gloss.
History as a field of serious study has barely been touched. It's 500 years behind science when it comes to the methods used and the results achieved.
You're a homo.
At least I don't have a small penis.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 28, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
I was thinking the other day that the problem with history is that undiscovered stuff is running out. Everything now is just a gloss on a gloss on a gloss.
Not really. There's still a ton to be learned on things that have already been found. Plus, we're learning how wrong we've been on a lot of stuff, too. For instance, the Victorian idea of history is so far removed from the reality that's it's laughable. And yet, we still use and teach the Victorian history lessons over and over again. Why? Most people didn't see a need to review a lot of the stuff that was done then. In the last 20 years, though, historians and archeologists have reviewed and re-studied a lot of medieval and renaissance books, extant items, etc., and found out a lot of things that we didn't know before.
For instance, Victorian historians believed that there wasn't much of a difference in style, clothing, and personal care between when the Romans left England and when William the Conqueror came. To them, time pretty much stopped in the UK. We now know that that's completely false. Trade continued, there was a constant change in demographics throughout that period, and that affected every aspect of daily life.
On top of that, the use of experimental archeology has shown that what was once believed to be true (like how plows were made and worked in 1100 CE) can't be. Historians and archeologistst are recreating those items and trying them out, only to find that they were completely wrong on a lot of stuff. It's really fascinating to read about these things.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 28, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
I was thinking the other day that the problem with history is that undiscovered stuff is running out. Everything now is just a gloss on a gloss on a gloss.
I don't think so at all - there are tons of things that we don't know about the past, there are many new ways to look at the evidence we have no, and there are plenty of our current interpretations of the past that are based on just-so stories ripe for rigorous analysis.
Let me clarify. Traditional history has been about reading and analyzing original documents. That is pretty much wrapped up. What are left are the overlapping/competing fields of archeology and anthropology.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 28, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
Let me clarify. Traditional history has been about reading and analyzing original documents. That is pretty much wrapped up. What are left are the overlapping/competing fields of archeology and anthropology.
Even that's not entirely true. New evidence goes a long way toward changing how we analyze and read original documents.
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
You know, I ran into the same problem! Who knew?! :o
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
So now you're doomed to repeat yourself.
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
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Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Is this a second Bachelor's for you, Valmy?
Yep. Somehow that history degree was not propelling me forward in the work force.
You know, I ran into the same problem! Who knew?! :o
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
So now you're doomed to repeat yourself.
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
:lol:
I didn't study history because I had discovered that history research isn't done seriously.
I should have become a nuclear engineer. Well, okay, maybe not.
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
I knew as well. How I got one was a story of total fail. What I was trying to get was a Physics degree.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 28, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
Let me clarify. Traditional history has been about reading and analyzing original documents. That is pretty much wrapped up. What are left are the overlapping/competing fields of archeology and anthropology.
I think we'll just have to disagree on that :)
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
I knew as well. How I got one was a story of total fail. What I was trying to get was a Physics degree.
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
You don't get good enough grades to get into the program you actually want to get into. :whistle:
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
At my university a number of people started off in physics and ended up in the business school. The usual route was Physics -> Electrical Engineering -> Computer Science -> Business.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 29, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
At my university a number of people started off in physics and ended up in the business school. The usual route was Physics -> Electrical Engineering -> Computer Science -> Business.
Wow, that is way more embarassing then just starting off in business to begin with...
I'm sympathetic. If you set your sights high, but kinnae hack it, adjust down.
If only America were set up to do that, it'd be okay, too.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 29, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
At my university a number of people started off in physics and ended up in the business school. The usual route was Physics -> Electrical Engineering -> Computer Science -> Business.
Wow, that is way more embarassing then just starting off in business to begin with...
Yeah, it's like a chronological series of pictures of someone who smoked meth.
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
I knew as well. How I got one was a story of total fail. What I was trying to get was a Physics degree.
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
I took lots of history classes for fun. Towards the end of my time there I suffered depression and burnout so I just left, I happened to have enough history classes for my history degree though.
Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2013, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 29, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
At my university a number of people started off in physics and ended up in the business school. The usual route was Physics -> Electrical Engineering -> Computer Science -> Business.
Wow, that is way more embarassing then just starting off in business to begin with...
Yeah, it's like a chronological series of pictures of someone who smoked meth.
"Computer science" is the one lacking all teeth and with running facial sores, right? :hmm:
First day of school. First time I've been on an undergrad campus for a real semester in years.
Jesus Palomino, how young the little cutie pies are. Woof.
"My God, it's full of ass..."
I hated going onto the UG campus. Depressed me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
First day of school. First time I've been on an undergrad campus for a real semester in years.
Jesus Palomino, how young the little cutie pies are. Woof.
"My God, it's full of ass..."
:cheers:
Got chewed out by some faculty member for smoking inside the parking garage; apparently the campus is no officially non-smoking, with no smokers areas. I looked it up, and there's a $75 fine that can be assessed for smoking to students by campus po-po and certain employees of the school. There's also a web page where you can fill out a Smoking Sighting Complaint, so you can anonymously narc out smokers.
Yeah, the parking garage. Because my American Spirit is putting out more pollutants than the 600 or so cars using the parking garage.
You need to quit smoking, again.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 04:37:31 PM
Got chewed out by some faculty member for smoking inside the parking garage; apparently the campus is no officially non-smoking, with no smokers areas. I looked it up, and there's a $75 fine that can be assessed for smoking to students by campus po-po and certain employees of the school. There's also a web page where you can fill out a Smoking Sighting Complaint, so you can anonymously narc out smokers.
Yeah, the parking garage. Because my American Spirit is putting out more pollutants than the 600 or so cars using the parking garage.
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 28, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
I knew. :showoff:
Despite being a big history nerd, I knew a history degree would be fairly useless...
I knew as well. How I got one was a story of total fail. What I was trying to get was a Physics degree.
How do you get a history degree by accident? :wacko:
If you kill a history major, his diploma is confered upon you. So you are just one car accident away from a History Major. You don't even want to know how you can catch a Genders Studies degree. Scary stuff.
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Fascist fucktards.
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Not if you count marijuana.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Fascist fucktards.
Oh I wouldn't call all smokers fascists, but some sure do have an entitlement complex.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
First day of school. First time I've been on an undergrad campus for a real semester in years.
Jesus Palomino, how young the little cutie pies are. Woof.
"My God, it's full of ass..."
I will be your spirit guide.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 27, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Iirc philosophy as is usually taught is more like logical construction and argument, thus akin to mathematics. So theoretically useful if unfortunately lumped together with lame stuff like how, say, Democritus' made-up fantasy universe vaguely resembled actual science done with experimentation, measurement, and intellectual rigor.
Some of the most interesting people I knew at uni did Physics and Philosophy. Very interesting course by the sounds of it, I think it's commonly offered in the UK but you've got to be seriously bright.
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Fascist fucktards.
Oh I wouldn't call all smokers fascists, but some sure do have an entitlement complex.
Somebody puts a butt out in your drink at a party, and you're scarred for life over it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 08:22:05 PM
Somebody puts a butt out in your drink at a party, and you're scarred for life over it.
That was the worst drink of wine cooler he ever had!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus on August 29, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
This campus will be smoke-free Jan 1st :yeah:
Fascist fucktards.
They are willing to look out for your health even when you won't. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on August 29, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
They are willing to look out for your health even when you won't. :hug:
Gimme a fucking break. Campus is covered with underage Jersey Shore rejects who are, at this very moment, slamming beer from each others' asscracks while they date rape unconscious Psych majors.
The moralizing wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so hypocritical.
I like the idea of a student CdM. I wonder if he has a Che shirt.
I'm the only one in class with a pencil sharpener. :smarty:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 11:44:07 PM
I'm the only one in class with a pencil sharpener. :smarty:
You are probably the only one there that can write in cursive. You can really freak them out if you share your notes with classmates in short hand.
"Woah man, did you write this in Arabic?"
We had that problem in the writing course over the summer.
"Um, I can't write like that."
Hell I can barely write like that anymore. Granted my cursive was always pretty crap, along with my handwriting in general.
Hand print is actually legible, cursive not so much.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 29, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
They are willing to look out for your health even when you won't. :hug:
Gimme a fucking break. Campus is covered with underage Jersey Shore rejects who are, at this very moment, slamming beer from each others' asscracks while they date rape unconscious Psych majors.
The moralizing wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so hypocritical.
Funny how selective you are when it comes to the Nanny State telling people what to do...
I support your right to smoke, Jeff.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2013, 12:22:14 AM
I support your right to smoke, Jeff.
And I support the states right to tell you to stop it because it is fucking stupid.
Is not.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
Is not.
I support you, despite your bizarre fetish for the terrible abomination that is cursive.
Remember when smoking was no problem? It wasn't that long ago. Less than a decade around here.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2013, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 29, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
They are willing to look out for your health even when you won't. :hug:
Gimme a fucking break. Campus is covered with underage Jersey Shore rejects who are, at this very moment, slamming beer from each others' asscracks while they date rape unconscious Psych majors.
The moralizing wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so hypocritical.
Ah yes, Tamas. Have to do everything or it is hypocrisy.
Quote from: garbon on August 29, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
They are willing to look out for your health even when you won't. :hug:
I don't give a damn about his health. I care about my health and not having to walk through his smoke every time I go outside. And being able to sit outside and enjoy fresh air rather than a smoke-filled haze.
Apparently there are others who feel the same way as this passed on a campus-wide referendum.
Quote from: Maximus on August 30, 2013, 09:12:09 AM
I don't give a damn about his health. I care about my health and not having to walk through his smoke every time I go outside. And being able to sit outside and enjoy fresh air rather than a smoke-filled haze.
It was in a parking garage. :P But go ahead, you focus on dissipated second hand smoke from 10 yards away, while the diesel-run shuttle buses and everybody out of vehicle emissions compliance kills you silently.
QuoteApparently there are others who feel the same way as this passed on a campus-wide referendum.
That's only because they don't have enough Chinese doctors, which is why the same effort was dead in the water at Hopkins.
Second hand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone. People are so hypersensitive they're like 'OMG the smell!"
I don't like cigarettes, but I have to say I kind of like the smell of a freshly lit cigarette in open air.
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Second hand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone. People are so hypersensitive they're like 'OMG the smell!"
I don't like cigarettes, but I have to say I kind of like the smell of a freshly lit cigarette in open air.
I can't stand it. If I go outside, I want to smell... outside. Not disgusting cigarette smoke. Plus, it's an asthma trigger for me.
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Second hand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone. People are so hypersensitive they're like 'OMG the smell!"
I don't like cigarettes, but I have to say I kind of like the smell of a freshly lit cigarette in open air.
Yeah, because inhaling the smoke of some asshole who is smoking in front of me on the sidewalk is so much less harmful than other kinds of smoke.
What I hate is when they all crowd right outside the door to the building. Can't you walk another 15 feet to smoke? Assholes.
I can't stand the smell of smoke once it gets into my clothes, but when it's fresh, secondhand smoke reminds me of the video arcades I used to sneak off to as a kid. :)
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 30, 2013, 10:02:57 AM
What I hate is when they all crowd right outside the door to the building. Can't you walk another 15 feet to smoke? Assholes.
That and any place with outdoor seating. And always upwind from everyone else. And it's apparently Ok to litter if you're a smoker
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 30, 2013, 10:02:57 AM
What I hate is when they all crowd right outside the door to the building. Can't you walk another 15 feet to smoke? Assholes.
There are by-laws here that require them to be some distance away but that just moves the problem - you still need to walk by them to get to the entrance of the building. One day a guy puffed smoke into my face as I was walking by. I dont think it was intentional as he just wasnt paying attention to what he was doing. My elbow coming up and knocking the cigarette out of his hand was.
You know what is weird, as a prior smoker, I find it repulsive. I'm ok with people spending money to slowly commit suicide, just do it far away. I hate to even smell it in my normal day to day. But...
...But camping out in the woods, talking shit around a campfire with a beer in hand, a good cigar is The Awesome. :ph34r:
I am: contradiction :blush:
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on August 30, 2013, 10:05:58 AM
I can't stand the smell of smoke once it gets into my clothes, but when it's fresh, secondhand smoke reminds me of the video arcades I used to sneak off to as a kid. :)
Cigarette smoke and spilled beer aroma in an outdoor setting remind me of going to Reds games at Riverfront Stadium in the early 80s :)
I'm maybe less keen on cigarette smoke in poorly ventilated indoor areas. Reminds me of bowling alleys back during the day.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 30, 2013, 10:08:22 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 30, 2013, 10:02:57 AM
What I hate is when they all crowd right outside the door to the building. Can't you walk another 15 feet to smoke? Assholes.
There are by-laws here that require them to be some distance away but that just moves the problem - you still need to walk by them to get to the entrance of the building. One day a guy puffed smoke into my face as I was walking by. I dont think it was intentional as he just wasnt paying attention to what he was doing. My elbow coming up and knocking the cigarette out of his hand was.
Sure, battery. Stay classy and ethical man.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Sure, battery. Stay classy and ethical man.
Don't be a weenie.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Sure, battery. Stay classy and ethical man.
I hadnt taken you for a please sir may I have another type.
They don't call him Crazy Canuck for nothing. Nigga's street hard.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2013, 12:13:29 PM
They don't call him Crazy Canuck for nothing. Nigga's street hard.
Plus he's 10 feet tall. The guy must have been on the top of a staircase.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 30, 2013, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 30, 2013, 12:13:29 PM
They don't call him Crazy Canuck for nothing. Nigga's street hard.
Plus he's 10 feet tall. The guy must have been on the top of a staircase.
Leaning out the 2nd floor apartment window.
Quote from: derspiess on August 30, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Second hand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.
That's not true.
Some people have lung problems, asthma, or other issues which cigarette smoke can aggravate.
Not smoking aggravates my propensity for violence.
I'm sure there's a place for people who can't control violent urges.
Quote from: Maximus on August 30, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
I'm sure there's a place for people who can't control violent urges.
He's too old to enlist in the military.
It's called the smoking section.
Is that like the urinating section of the swimming pool?
That whole pool dye myth is exactly that.
Who said anything about dye?
I don't smoke in your pool, don't piss in my ashtray. Air nazi.
Isn't Max like an engineer at a factory or something, too?
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Isn't Max like an engineer at a factory or something, too?
No? but I'm not sure where you're going with this.
I dunno. Mercury contamination or something. I'm really hungry.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Isn't Max like an engineer at a factory or something, too?
:lol:
He works in a University for a professor.
Quote from: merithyn on August 30, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Isn't Max like an engineer at a factory or something, too?
:lol:
He works in a University for a professor.
Close enough for government work.
I love the total red herring of "But what about the car fumes????"
What about them?
We have tons of laws restricting those as well.
Quote from: merithyn on August 30, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Isn't Max like an engineer at a factory or something, too?
:lol:
He works in a University for a professor.
In a STEM field, too. Shit. You win this round. :(
Quote from: Ideologue on August 30, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
In a STEM field, too. Shit. You win this round. :(
:hug: