Tea Partiers harassed by IRS?

[Razgovory]

So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

If you're talking about incompetence, why would you have the absolute least competent organization in the United States federal government hold hearings about it? 

So congress should not investigate anything..... Watergate, Iraq, 911, IRS, Wall Street..etc. Try again.

Vince Foster, Black Helicopters, water fluoridation...

[derspiess]

Oh right. Because Hilary and I are both women, so it must be a woman thing. Ha. Ha. Ha. I get it. Yeah.. that's a real knee-slapper.

Yes!!  It's a woman thing.  How did you figure that out?

[merithyn]

Let me rephrase that to keep you on point.

Raz if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove incompetence?

Let me rephrase that for you:

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference?

Again, I don't think that anyone is disagreeing that there were mistakes made regarding the safety in Benghazi. EVERYONE has agreed that mistakes were made, and the SoS and the administration have said that they were looking into how to make sure those kinds of mistakes don't happen again.

Where is the cover-up?

[Razgovory]

11B4V, if someone burns down your house while you aren't home does this prove you are incompetent?

Let me rephrase that to keep you on point.

Raz if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove incompetence?

Not necessarily.  For instance, I fear for my life and I call the police.  They send some officers over.  They stay around for a week.  A month later someone kills me.  Does this indicate incompetence?  No.  There are only so many police officers and they can't hang around my house all the time.  Likewise, at Benghazi additional security did show up for a while (I think it was like five guys), and they were later withdrawn back to Tripoli (most likely to for other security threats).

From what I read the Ambassador and his couple of security guards were attacked by around 150 armed men.  These men had mortars, heavy machine guns, some truck mounted artillery, anti-air guns, and rocket launchers in addition to small arms.  Now you're a military guy, how many security guards armed with small arms would be need to realistically repel such a force in an urban center?

[11B4V]

Let me rephrase that to keep you on point.

Raz if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove incompetence?

Let me rephrase that for you:

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference?

Again, I don't think that anyone is disagreeing that there were mistakes made regarding the safety in Benghazi. EVERYONE has agreed that mistakes were made, and the SoS and the administration have said that they were looking into how to make sure those kinds of mistakes don't happen again.

Where is the cover-up?

Lets try that again

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the DoS SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference is incompetant?

Yes quite possibly and should be investigated.

[Martinus]

11B4V, if someone burns down your house while you aren't home does this prove you are incompetent?

Let me rephrase that to keep you on point.

Raz if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove incompetence?

No, this proves appropriate allocation of resources, proportional to the potential loss for the society.

[Razgovory]

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.

Derspeiss, you seem dismissive of Clinton's statements.  Is this a correct reading of your attitude?

[merithyn]

Lets try that again

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the DoS SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference is incompetant?

Yes quite possibly and should be investigated.

It has been. Mistakes were made. Corrections and suggestions to prevent them from happening again.

Again, where is the cover-up??

[11B4V]

From what I read the Ambassador and his couple of security guards were attacked by around 150 armed men.  These men had mortars, heavy machine guns, some truck mounted artillery, anti-air guns, and rocket launchers in addition to small arms. 

Hell of a threat assessment by the DoS. eh? That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[derspiess]

Derspeiss, you seem dismissive of Clinton's statements.  Is this a correct reading of your attitude?

Yep.  Bill Safire had her pegged back in 1996.

[Razgovory]

Derspeiss, you seem dismissive of Clinton's statements.  Is this a correct reading of your attitude?

Yep.  Bill Safire had her pegged back in 1996.

Then, why bring her before a congressional hearing?

[Admiral Yi]

Let me rephrase that for you:

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference?

It does not.  What strongly suggests the SoS and the rest of the administration said the wrong thing after the attack is (a) the prior warnings about an attack and (b) the absence of evidence to support the assertion that the attacks arose spontaneously in response to the Mohammed video.

Again, I don't think that anyone is disagreeing that there were mistakes made regarding the safety in Benghazi. EVERYONE has agreed that mistakes were made

This is not accurate.

[Razgovory]

From what I read the Ambassador and his couple of security guards were attacked by around 150 armed men.  These men had mortars, heavy machine guns, some truck mounted artillery, anti-air guns, and rocket launchers in addition to small arms. 

Hell of a threat assessment by the DoS. eh? That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

You didn't answer my question.  How many men would be realistically required to repel such a force?

[11B4V]

Lets try that again

11B4V, if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove that the DoS SoS said the wrong thing at a news conference is incompetant?

Yes quite possibly and should be investigated.

It has been. Mistakes were made. Corrections and suggestions to prevent them from happening again.

It should have never happened in the first place. Bases in CONUS go to a higher threat level with far less information and actual threats. Let alone, Libya was a cluster fuck and the Ambassador request more security.

Again, where is the cover-up??

You're stuck on cover-up. Me, on DoS incompetence.

How many mistakes need to be continually made to justify, "What does it matter?"

[11B4V]

From what I read the Ambassador and his couple of security guards were attacked by around 150 armed men.  These men had mortars, heavy machine guns, some truck mounted artillery, anti-air guns, and rocket launchers in addition to small arms. 

Hell of a threat assessment by the DoS. eh? That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

You didn't answer my question.  How many men would be realistically required to repel such a force?

How many DoS executives does it take to make a good threat assessment? None apparently.