Chávez dead

[Admiral Yi]

Really?  Haven't these arguments been repeated a billion times?

The US leads the world in illegal drug use...which is an enormous market that fuels organized crime...which leads to them having the muscle to fuck with governments like Mexico.

The argument that I believe has been repeated a billion times is that criminalization of drugs creates more criminal activity *within* the US.

The fact that drugs are decriminalized in Europe doesn't mean that they get their product from Mother Theresa.

Also a little skeptical about the US leading the world in illegal drug use.

[garbon]

Also a little skeptical about the US leading the world in illegal drug use.

Well then use google and educate yourself.

[Sheilbh]

That's not what your BBC link says.

The Honduran government asked the OAS to set up a Truth Commission as part of the sort-of new settlement that emerged after elections. Probably because none of the normal people you'd get to investigate it could because they were implicated.

Also to correct my earlier post Congress didn't vote for his removal. They unanimously accepted his resignation, the letter subsequently turned out to be a forgery. Then they replaced him.

Which assumes that their decision at the time was obviously the correct one, yet they felt the need to appoint a commission to investigate the correctness of the decision.

They were asked to appoint a Truth Commission and that's sort of their purpose. I'm fairly sure the ANC weren't in doubt about the crimes of apartheid South Africa. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission model is to establish the historical record, draw a line under it and, normally, includes either procedures for granting amnesty or amnesty in exchange for complete, honest testimony.

In the case of Honduras the larger political settlement allowed Zelaya to return (and when he did he gave a speech calling for conciliation and democracy - and now serves as a Representative of Honduras to some Central American confab), the Truth Commission to establish what happened and an amnesty for all involved on all sides.

Well then use google and educate yourself.

While you're there educate yourself on European drug laws too. The only country that I know of with general decriminalisation is Portugal, aside from that almost all the same drugs are almost always illegal.

[derspiess]

Still dead.

[Admiral Yi]

Shelf:

Honduras didn't ask the OAS to set up the Truth Commission so they could get to the bottom of that pesky question about the constitutionality of Zeleya's removal, they accepted it as part of a quid pro quo for reinstatement in the OAS.

The South African analogy is a bad one.  Theirs was not set up to determine whether apartheid actually existed or not, but rather to document individual cases of mistreatment. 

And finally decriminalization is not the same as legalization.

[derspiess]

Awesomeness on multiple levels: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/08/us-iran-ahmadinejad-chavez-idUSBRE9270TP20130308

[lustindarkness]

Awesomeness on multiple levels: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/08/us-iran-ahmadinejad-chavez-idUSBRE9270TP20130308

Is today the Third Day?

[Berkut]

I heard Chavez is starting to feel better.

[Razgovory]

I can't believe that Chavez dies and the next day the thread is hijacked into the legal particulars of the Honduran coup/not coup.

At least I think we can agree that Raz was wrong that people didn't give a fuck about the coup.

Am I? Most of the board wasn't aware it happened. 

Most of the board? As I showed, we spent several months on that topic.  You might have some of us not remembering it - but what does that prove?  How many threads we've had about Chavez vs. 2009 Honduras? That the former got more media coverage than the latter in the intervening years?

35 posters?  What did what have back 2009, like 200?  And shit, Conservative crowd didn't think it was a coup.  Just a normal military kicking an elected officers out of the country thing.  No comparison.

[fhdz]

What a fucking stupid argument this is.

[Ed Anger]

What a fucking stupid argument this is.

WELCOME TO LANGUISH

[mongers]

What a fucking stupid argument this is.

When could you or anyone else, not post this in any Languish thread since 2006ish  and be wrong ?

[derspiess]

Sounds like Chavez is to be embalmed and put on display like Lenin, Mao, etc.  He's in good company!

[Admiral Yi]

Sounds like Chavez is to be embalmed and put on display like Lenin, Mao, etc.  He's in good company!

10 quatloos say his corpse turns into chipped beef inside 5 years from the crap job they do.

[derspiess]

Sounds like Chavez is to be embalmed and put on display like Lenin, Mao, etc.  He's in good company!

10 quatloos say his corpse turns into chipped beef inside 5 years from the crap job they do.

And it will be blamed on imperialist sabotage.