Calling Languish parents: Why did you decide to have children?

[merithyn]

Probably not.

I was at a lecture several years ago when the speaker went off on a sidetrack about how pronography had changed society's sexual expectations.  He was talking about anal sex in particular - that 40-50 years ago to see an anal sexual assault was extremely rare.  Now it is fairly commonplace.  The "biological imperative" hasn't changed, but access to sexually explicit material has.

In other words - if you had been born even a mere 100 years ago you probably would have no idea what a "facial" is, and have no interest in performing it.

Given how the Victorian morals affected so many cultures and aspects of sexual expression, I'm not sure you could know  what was "popular" prior to it with any real certainty. So, while yes, 100 years ago you wouldn't have known what it was, there's a good chance that 200 years ago you might have.

[dps]

I didn't know justification was needed?  Reason, explanation, other words come to mind, but justification?

Uhm, these words are synonyms. Perhaps you are reading more into my question than there is? Again, you are extremely defensive about it which is quite funny.

By formal definition, the words may be synoyms, but "justification" has the conotation of involving a post-hoc rationalization or excuse for one's action, plus an implication that the action wasn't just, or that there is a need to demostrate that it was just.  If someone asked me what my reason for making any particular decision, I wouldn't necessarily get defensive about it, but if they asked me what my justification was, I probably would.

[Barrister]

Until contraception was invented, it wasn't nearly the deliberate decision it is now either.

The facial was one of humanity's earliest inventions, predating the wheel in many cultures.

Probably not.

I was at a lecture several years ago when the speaker went off on a sidetrack about how pronography had changed society's sexual expectations.  He was talking about anal sex in particular - that 40-50 years ago to see an anal sexual assault was extremely rare.  Now it is fairly commonplace.  The "biological imperative" hasn't changed, but access to sexually explicit material has.

In other words - if you had been born even a mere 100 years ago you probably would have no idea what a "facial" is, and have no interest in performing it.

I'm not really sure how your anecdote relates to what Ide said.  After all, anal sex still existed even when most people didn't have access to sexually explicit material.

I suspect that the rate at which it existed was far, far less than it is today.

[Razgovory]

Probably not.

I was at a lecture several years ago when the speaker went off on a sidetrack about how pronography had changed society's sexual expectations.  He was talking about anal sex in particular - that 40-50 years ago to see an anal sexual assault was extremely rare.  Now it is fairly commonplace.  The "biological imperative" hasn't changed, but access to sexually explicit material has.

In other words - if you had been born even a mere 100 years ago you probably would have no idea what a "facial" is, and have no interest in performing it.

Given how the Victorian morals affected so many cultures and aspects of sexual expression, I'm not sure you could know  what was "popular" prior to it with any real certainty. So, while yes, 100 years ago you wouldn't have known what it was, there's a good chance that 200 years ago you might have.

And you are basing this on... what?

[Ideologue]

Until contraception was invented, it wasn't nearly the deliberate decision it is now either.

The facial was one of humanity's earliest inventions, predating the wheel in many cultures.

Probably not.

I was at a lecture several years ago when the speaker went off on a sidetrack about how pronography had changed society's sexual expectations.  He was talking about anal sex in particular - that 40-50 years ago to see an anal sexual assault was extremely rare.  Now it is fairly commonplace.  The "biological imperative" hasn't changed, but access to sexually explicit material has.

In other words - if you had been born even a mere 100 years ago you probably would have no idea what a "facial" is, and have no interest in performing it.

I think I'd have figured it out.  If it did not exist, I would have had to have invented it.

Now I probably would have been cool with hairy legs, armpits, and bad dental hygiene.  Sure.  That's passing fashion--fetishes, really.  But there is little doubt in my mind that cavemen were blasting on cavewomen's faces with aplomb.

P.S. one does not expect anal because anal is clearly an imposition, whereas the characterization of facials as a burden is propaganda and lies.

[Capetan Mihali]

Interesting raise of topic. Marty is well in the age-range where most single heteros switch to panic mode, settle and have kids ASAP. Those who don't, seem to pay for their freedom with doubt over their decision, and a lonely old age.
Instead of paying for the calm of succumbing to society and biology and not dying alone, with sacraficing their freedom and well-being for others, of course.

Still, my point is: do gay people have the "omg I must settle and have kids so I won't slip into lone madness when I am old" urges?

My pops has always been quite explicit about wanting kids so that at least a couple people will be obligated to take care of him when he's dying.

I think my mother got married primarily to have kids.  I think I was conceived in the month right before she was turning 30.

[Neil]

whereas the characterization of facials as a burden is propaganda and lies.

Wrong.  It's messy.

[Ideologue]

Oh, so is the normal finishing move.

[Ed Anger]

I finish off with a jackknife powerbomb.

[Ideologue]

I turn into Kintaro and tear her torso off with my mighty blow.

[Neil]

Oh, so is the normal finishing move.

Less so, because it's internal.

[Ideologue]

Perhaps moreso, because from my learning, it just kind falls and splats on stuff.  Maybe that's only in porn, with the woman's cooperation?  I really have no idea; I've never Grey Foxed a woman up.

[Syt]

I finish off with a jackknife powerbomb.

Ok, Diesel.

[Martinus]

But that isn't what you asked - you asked WHY people want to have kids. And the answer is because we are programmed to want to do so.

It is the exact same reason you want to have sex. Or to eat. Or to do any number of things you are programmed by biology to WANT to do.

You are wrong. I didn't ask why people WANT to have kids. I asked why people DO have kids. That's quite different.

[Martinus]

Because when I get home from work I hear a very excited "daddy!", hear the pitter-patter of little feet, and get a huge enthusiastic hug.

That's why.

Another selfish reason. Could have just got a dog.