Alt-Hist; the reality. (ATTN: This is not a Timmy like thread)

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jimmy olsen

#45
January 13, 2012, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 12, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
I am pretty sure that Tyr doesn't know how to make any of those things or even begin to design them.  For that matter, does anyone on here?
Surely there must be books and technical manuals that he can take back with him.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

#46
January 13, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 12, 2012, 05:32:29 AM
I think there is more then to it then just saying "Build up industry in China", or showing up with an armful of blueprints.  The biggest single thing you could take back to the 1930's to change the course of the war would be a transistor (and of course the knowledge of how it works and how to make one).  Smaller, cheaper, and more robust electronics would make a huge difference in the war.  In particular radios, but also radar and computers.
There are significant oil deposits in Manchuria that were easy to extract that were not found until the late 50s. If the Japanese find them in the early 30s that helps.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Ideologue

#47
January 13, 2012, 01:06:02 AM Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 01:12:42 AM by Ideologue
Quote from: Habbaku on January 12, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
I am pretty sure that Tyr doesn't know how to make any of those things or even begin to design them.  For that matter, does anyone on here?

I know how to make hydroelectric dams and fractional distillation facilities for petroleum.  Maybe.  I mean, I'm gonna use slaves to build them, so it's okay if they collapse or explode.

I think I could possibly make a crude telegraph if I had a ready electricity source (the big hurdle) and a light filament (that's pretty easy).  I mean, a telegraph is just shooting electricity down a wire in a pattern recognizable to the recipient, isn't it?

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jimmy olsen

#48
January 13, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
Guys, I think if you manage to build a working time machine, then building a steam engine or a telegraph should be manageable.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Razgovory

#49
January 13, 2012, 02:06:06 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2012, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 12, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
I am pretty sure that Tyr doesn't know how to make any of those things or even begin to design them.  For that matter, does anyone on here?
Surely there must be books and technical manuals that he can take back with him.

Yeah, it's a bit more tough then that.  It's one thing to build a copy of a machine.  It's another to fabricate the machines to mass produce the machine.  Not to mention the chemical plants to make the chemical components needed to build a machine.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#50
January 13, 2012, 02:09:50 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
Guys, I think if you manage to build a working time machine, then building a steam engine or a telegraph should be manageable.

Why is that?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

#51
January 13, 2012, 02:10:40 AM
Serious question?
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Eddie Teach

#52
January 13, 2012, 02:25:12 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
Guys, I think if you manage to build a working time machine, then building a steam engine or a telegraph should be manageable.

We didn't build one, Viking gave it to us.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

#53
January 13, 2012, 02:33:37 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2012, 02:10:40 AM
Serious question?

Yes.  Simply because someone invents one thing doesn't mean they would be able to invent something completely different, especially in a place that doesn't have the materials required to build it.  Or is it like Gilligan's Island and you build it out of coconuts?

Screw it.  A time machine is already an impossible machine.  If you build a time machine you should be able to build a perpetual motion machine, square circles and make diet soda taste as good as regular soda.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#54
January 13, 2012, 02:47:51 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 13, 2012, 02:33:37 AM
make diet soda taste as good as regular soda.

That's already possible. Make the regular soda taste like crap a la Dr Pepper.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Viking

#55
January 13, 2012, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 13, 2012, 02:25:12 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
Guys, I think if you manage to build a working time machine, then building a steam engine or a telegraph should be manageable.

We didn't build one, Viking gave it to us.

I'm nice like that.

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Siege

#56
January 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
I would go back in time to the jewish tribal period, before the creation of the Kingdom.
And I would stay there.
Who knows, maybe I could become a Judge, and create a better Kingdom.
Shaul and Daavid fucked up the Kingdom from the very begining, by basing their power in their respective tribes, instead of using the federation system.



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

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Viking

#57
January 15, 2012, 04:20:46 AM
Quote from: Siege on January 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
I would go back in time to the jewish tribal period, before the creation of the Kingdom.
And I would stay there.
Who knows, maybe I could become a Judge, and create a better Kingdom.
Shaul and Daavid fucked up the Kingdom from the very begining, by basing their power in their respective tribes, instead of using the federation system.

And how would you do that?
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Razgovory

#58
January 15, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Siege on January 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
I would go back in time to the jewish tribal period, before the creation of the Kingdom.
And I would stay there.
Who knows, maybe I could become a Judge, and create a better Kingdom.
Shaul and Daavid fucked up the Kingdom from the very begining, by basing their power in their respective tribes, instead of using the federation system.

Hey, good to see you here again.  I was afraid you'd left permanently.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Iormlund

#59
January 15, 2012, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 12, 2012, 03:23:19 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has an actual, viable plan in case he ever gets a time machine.

Not viable at all unless you solve two problems:

a) How to resupply your army.
b) How to maintain control of it.
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