Toddler recommended put up for adoption due to old parents - Italy

[Martinus]

Are you retarded? How is this view "medieval"? Not everything you disagree with is "medieval". In fact, this seems like a very progressive/technocratic move - quite the opposite of the feudal/medieval stress on family ties.

Wow.

All power to the Nomenclatura eh?

"Progressive" is not a value statement. It's a factual statement.

Just like "medieval" for that matter.

[HVC]

The judges ruled that librarian Gabriella De Ambrosis and her retired husband Luigi were driven by “a narcissistic need to have a child” and showed “indifference with regard to the child’s perspective.”

So the child would have preferred to have never been born?

well if it was never born it wouldn't have a preference either way

Kid shouldn't be taken away, but yes the parents are selfish.

[Valmy]

That's how I feel about quite a few Languishites.

You wish you had never been born about a few Languishites?

[ulmont]

I support mandatory sterilization at age 40.  Eh, fuck it, make it age 12.

[Martinus]

Medieval in terms of the idea that those in power have absolute control over what happens to the "serfs" they govern.

Then you are misusing the term and your definition has no basis in history.  How medieval.

[Martinus]

I support mandatory sterilization at age 40.  Eh, fuck it, make it age 12.

I think all children should be taken away from their parents and taught by the wisemen. Preferably in some remote location I cannot see or hear.

The state should encourage non-procreational sexual activities and only people with a special permit should bear children.

[garbon]

I support mandatory sterilization at age 40.  Eh, fuck it, make it age 12.

Wasn't this couple for all intents and purposes sterile before fertility treatments?

[Martinus]

Speaking of which, a couple of weeks ago a work colleague of mine came into my office and announced, with a huge grin, that after months of trying artificial insemination, his wife is now pregnant.

I was like UHM TMI? 

[HVC]

I think all children should be taken away from their parents and taught by the wisemen. Preferably in some remote location I cannot see or hear.

Grallon is wondering where he can sign up

obvious yes, but someone was going to say it.

[HVC]

I was like UHM TMI? 

really? you've got breeder issues

[Grey Fox]

Meri, have you been taking classes on how to sound provincial by master teacher Tyr?

They are too old to have been helped to have a child but the deed is done, too late now.

[merithyn]

Meri, have you been taking classes on how to sound provincial by master teacher Tyr?

They are too old to have been helped to have a child but the deed is done, too late now.

I agree that the doctor who allowed this to happen was very wrong to help them. However, to take a child away from his/her parents is horrorific unless the parents have done something heinous. Simply giving birth at an older age does not, in my opinion, fall into that category.

[Valmy]

Meri, have you been taking classes on how to sound provincial by master teacher Tyr?

They are too old to have been helped to have a child but the deed is done, too late now.

Well I think the state should have a better reason to start forcing people to give up their kids besides that what they did sounds like a really bad idea.  People should be allowed to make bad decisions, and unless there is some evidence the kid is suffering (as opposed to might maybe suffer) the court should let well enough alone.

But that is our values.  Italy is different and maybe over there this sort of thing is expected.  In which case this couple should have known better.

On the other hand this is the 21st century and women in their 40s and 50s are having kids now.  In fact they almost sorta have to considering the problems kids can pose in advancing your career.  Considerations for career are not necessarily selfish and hey I thought reproductive rights were some sort of super feminist issue or whatever.  It does strike me as a tad backwards and old fashioned to think an older couple having a kid is outrageous.

[merithyn]

But that is our values.  Italy is different and maybe over there this sort of thing is expected.  In which case this couple should have known better.

You've got to be kidding me.

[dps]

Are you retarded? How is this view "medieval"? Not everything you disagree with is "medieval". In fact, this seems like a very progressive/technocratic move - quite the opposite of the feudal/medieval stress on family ties.

Wow.

All power to the Nomenclatura eh?

"Progressive" is not a value statement. It's a factual statement.

Counterfactual in this case, but hey. 

The best adjective in this case is neither "medieval" or "progressive", it's probably "presumptive".  Though other adjectives would fit, too, such as "overbearing", "illogical", or just plain "stupid".  "Tyrannical" could probably fit too, but that's a bit of a loaded term.