Breaking News - Major Terrorist Attack In Oslo, Norway

[Martinus]

The EU Commission has called for pan-European tightening of gun laws after this.

[Siege]

So, what happened?
Muslims killing good civilized people again?
The religion of peace spreading peace?

[Viking]

Well, for a nationalist, he certainly was a man with international connections.
I wouldn't say it's weird, more that it's a bunch of people that's previously been flying under the radar, mostly due to not beating up people or being loud lager louts. A new violent threat, like Baader-Meinhof-meets-Medieval-Fair.

It's good that we are getting back to sticking to reality rather than trying to make political hay vis a vis the FrP. This guy flew below everybody's radar. He intentionally and successfully avoided raising any red flags.

Why didn't anyone tackle him? Obviously, that's a difficult question to answer, but given that there were people (locals) coming out with boats and rescuing some, I'd say the risk-reward analysis for the majority of the teenagers would be leaning to try and get themselves and their friends to the beach where the boats landed and a second option, hide and play dead. Since the gunman had not just an automatic rifle, but a shotgun and a Glock, tackling him when he was reloading would at least carry with it a degree of uncertainty. But I am sure any leftist organisation in Norway will have courses in how to act when under fire after this.

I suspect that armed guards will be either present or nearby at all large gatherings of children in norway from now on; as well as an evacuation plan in case of armed attack.

After thinking about the issue for some time now I think the reasonable explanation is that the people on the island did not even conceive that there was a possibility of a columbine style attack on them at that place. In the same manner that before 9/11 passengers would have cooperated with hijackers, today they are happy to assist the cabin crew in any case of a disorderly passenger.

I think that the best explanation might be that the people on the island did not have the mentality to act because they did not consider that an attack of this nature could even happen to them, it follows that they did not have the mental presence to evaluate the possible consequences (being frightened makes that impossible) and, rugged collectivists that they were, they did not have the personality to act individually in the manner that charging and tackling an intruder of this kind would require.

And Anders Behring Breivik is no nazi, nor a racist. He's a "national conservative", and wanted the Norwegian church to rejoin the Roman Catholic Church. He wanted a united Europe, it seems, but not under the "cultural marxists" of the EU. Hence the Templar stuff. The Templars never yielded to the Moslems.

I think it is important for us to understand ABB's image of his enemy. To understand who he thought they were and how he thought they thought. He doesn't seem to have hated people for who they were, but for rather what they did and why they did them. He killed because his victims did not share his values. In such cases getting to know the "other" does not breed understanding and friendship, it just re-enforces and justifies the hatred. Like Sayed Qtub in '50s America and Vidkun Qvisling in '20 Russia. I think that if we wrongly identify his motives (racism, nationalism) we will attempt counter-productive solutions.

ABB and me agree on many of the things we are against; delegitimization of western culture and values; obfuscation of the nature of truth (basically we are both against multi-culturalism and post-modernism). Where me and him differ are on the issue we are for. He is a conservative christian I am a liberal atheist.

[Viking]

So, what happened?

Norwegian Israel Friendly Christian Conservative massacres 90+ kids at labour party summer camp

Muslims killing good civilized people again?

No. Christian Conservative Murdering Kids.

The religion of peace spreading peace?

Christian spreading Mahem.

[Norgy]

I think it is important for us to understand ABB's image of his enemy. To understand who he thought they were and how he thought they thought. He doesn't seem to have hated people for who they were, but for rather what they did and why they did them. He killed because his victims did not share his values. In such cases getting to know the "other" does not breed understanding and friendship, it just re-enforces and justifies the hatred. Like Sayed Qtub in '50s America and Vidkun Qvisling in '20 Russia. I think that if we wrongly identify his motives (racism, nationalism) we will attempt counter-productive solutions.

ABB and me agree on many of the things we are against; delegitimization of western culture and values; obfuscation of the nature of truth (basically we are both against multi-culturalism and post-modernism). Where me and him differ are on the issue we are for. He is a conservative christian I am a liberal atheist.

I agree. Well, not with the last part, obviously, since I represent most of what you both are against, but on the solution.

Prime minister Stoltenberg said "to fight this with more democracy and more openness", and the first point of order would be to recognise criticism and alternatives to the current state of affairs as legitimate, as to avoid further cases of complete and utter alienation. No more underground activity and rejection of letters to the editor, but open and free exchange of views.
I fear the opposite will be the case.

[Viking]

Yeah, he was almost a classic clash of civilizations guy with a boner for middle ages. The kind that plays Paradox games and is a Byzanteen.

Edit: not sure why I keep writing about him in past tense. I guess it's because people like this usually do not get captured alive.

From his writings I think he might have planned to get arrested and is planning on using his trial as a soap box. Either that or he just ran out of ammo.

I think he might be demanding to be treated as leniently as say Souhaila Andrawes or Mullah Krekar who are both clear terrorists who the norwegian state has been very lenient on.

[Norgy]

The EU Commission has called for pan-European tightening of gun laws after this.

Yeah, that's going to be really helpful.

[Martinus]

So, what happened?
Muslims killing good civilized people again?
The religion of peace spreading peace?

You mentioned at one point you want to increase your IQ. Well, whatever method you have been using, it doesn't work.

It's a pro-Israel Christian conservative killing socialist kids because socialists are soft on Islam.

[MadImmortalMan]

The EU Commission has called for pan-European tightening of gun laws after this.

Yeah, that's going to be really helpful.

600 people on the island and not one of them had a gun to fight back or any training on how to respond. Fucking irresponsible.   

Who is in charge of these camps anyway?

[Viking]

600 people on the island and not one of them had a gun to fight back or any training on how to respond. Fucking irresponsible.   

Who is in charge of these camps anyway?

Socialist Pacifists were in charge of the camp.

[Martinus]

I think it is important for us to understand ABB's image of his enemy. To understand who he thought they were and how he thought they thought. He doesn't seem to have hated people for who they were, but for rather what they did and why they did them. He killed because his victims did not share his values. In such cases getting to know the "other" does not breed understanding and friendship, it just re-enforces and justifies the hatred. Like Sayed Qtub in '50s America and Vidkun Qvisling in '20 Russia. I think that if we wrongly identify his motives (racism, nationalism) we will attempt counter-productive solutions.

ABB and me agree on many of the things we are against; delegitimization of western culture and values; obfuscation of the nature of truth (basically we are both against multi-culturalism and post-modernism). Where me and him differ are on the issue we are for. He is a conservative christian I am a liberal atheist.

I agree. Well, not with the last part, obviously, since I represent most of what you both are against, but on the solution.

Prime minister Stoltenberg said "to fight this with more democracy and more openness", and the first point of order would be to recognise criticism and alternatives to the current state of affairs as legitimate, as to avoid further cases of complete and utter alienation. No more underground activity and rejection of letters to the editor, but open and free exchange of views.
I fear the opposite will be the case.

I actually liked the PM's speech in response to this. Made me convinced that Norwegians are better people than, say, Poles.

[Viking]

It's official, he ran out of ammo. Nothing was done to stop him.

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Breivik ran out of shots on Utøya
** Have a lot of hate against many
** Does even he is sane
** To be examined by a police doctor

Anders Behring Breivik (32) had run out of ammunition in the weapon he had available when he surrendered.
The terrorist accused oslo man explained that he would change the political Norway through violence.
- He has said that he went to Utøya to give Labor a notice of the doom to come if the party did not change its policy, says Lippe City.
He knew the program Utøya all week. He knew that Gro Harlem Brundtland was to visit the summer camp that day.
- He wanted to frame Labor and recruitment hardest possible. He calls the Labor-people for Marxists, says Lippe City.
Read also: Thorbjørn (22): - We were 30-40 when he started shooting. When he was finished was five to six again
He says that Behring Breivik appeared calm and balanced in the interrogation that lasted over ten hours.
- I think it has gone up to him. He believes he is the sane.
- Does he have remorse?
- I will not comment.
When he was arrested by personnel of the emergency squad, he was out of ammunition in the weapon he had available.
Read also: How was drama on Utøya - minute by minute
- He has explained that he capitulated to the Delta (the police emergency squad), says Lippe City.
Tomorrow the 32-year-old presented for incarceration.
- He would open doors. He will explain the background for their actions and why he has done for media, says Lippe City.
- He has a lot of hatred of many. This means all supporting social institutions, says Lippe City.
Breivik has an ambition to change society radically. He said he had no other options. He has tried with the pen. Post has been rejected, he explained.
Read also: made ​​detailed terrorist manifesto before the attacks
32-year-old has worked politically, but said that change has not happened and that violent revolution is cruel but necessary.
- It was an attack on Labour. He believes he has a mission, says defense lawyer.
- Why has he used a method that has previously been associated with the Islamists?
- He says he has seen that there has been no way but to use violence. He has tried all other avenues. He has written letters to the editor in various newspapers about their thoughts, but have not received the letters in print, says the lawyer.

[Martinus]

The EU Commission has called for pan-European tightening of gun laws after this.

Yeah, that's going to be really helpful.

600 people on the island and not one of them had a gun to fight back or any training on how to respond. Fucking irresponsible.   

Who is in charge of these camps anyway?

These were kids. It was an event for teenagers (presumedly, with some tutors and staff but that's it). And they were pacifist socialists.

[Viking]

I agree. Well, not with the last part, obviously, since I represent most of what you both are against, but on the solution.

Prime minister Stoltenberg said "to fight this with more democracy and more openness", and the first point of order would be to recognise criticism and alternatives to the current state of affairs as legitimate, as to avoid further cases of complete and utter alienation. No more underground activity and rejection of letters to the editor, but open and free exchange of views.
I fear the opposite will be the case.

I actually liked the PM's speech in response to this. Made me convinced that Norwegians are better people than, say, Poles.

Thats pretty much what the then PM said about 9/11.

As a general rule please don't lay up softballs about poles being useless like that it makes me feel conflicted between being cruel and taking it and annoyed that I'm to nice to exploit it.

[Viking]

The EU Commission has called for pan-European tightening of gun laws after this.

Yeah, that's going to be really helpful.

600 people on the island and not one of them had a gun to fight back or any training on how to respond. Fucking irresponsible.   

Who is in charge of these camps anyway?

These were kids. It was an event for teenagers (presumedly, with some tutors and staff but that's it). And they were pacifist socialists.

I do want to point out that the leader of these pacifist socialists legged it and jumped on the only boat off the island.