No Huckabee in 2012

[Razgovory]

What bullshit is that?  Generally an employer who hates his employees is not an effective employer.

[Admiral Yi]

What bullshit is that? 

"Generally an employer who hates his employees is not an effective employer."

I don't think this one has been used but it's a good example of the concept.

[CountDeMoney]

Christie definitely is a bully, and a bit too loose with the facts even for a Republican.

I don't want a guy who nods lovingly and feels the pain of the teachers' union.  I want a guy who calls them out on their bullshit.

Again with the teachers' unions.  Yi must've been molested by one or something.

[Razgovory]

What bullshit is that? 

"Generally an employer who hates his employees is not an effective employer."

I don't think this one has been used but it's a good example of the concept.

I certainly get a "hate" vibe from Republicans concerning Unions.  But if the Teacher's union said that they believe Republicans love them everything would then be hunky-dory?  Is that your answer?

[Admiral Yi]

I certainly get a "hate" vibe from Republicans concerning Unions.  But if the Teacher's union said that they believe Republicans love them everything would then be hunky-dory?  Is that your answer?

No.  For everything to be hunky dory the teachers' unions would have to say "we get really nice salaries right now and enormous pensions, and we can't be fired, but unfortunately the state representatives we bought and paid for are in the minority right now so please support our efforts to keep the status quo, not because it has anything to do with the quality of education your children recieve but because we will be unhappy if we lose any of that."  Then there would be no bullshit to call out.

[Zoupa]

I certainly get a "hate" vibe from Republicans concerning Unions.  But if the Teacher's union said that they believe Republicans love them everything would then be hunky-dory?  Is that your answer?

No.  For everything to be hunky dory the teachers' unions would have to say "we get really nice salaries right now and enormous pensions, and we can't be fired, but unfortunately the state representatives we bought and paid for are in the minority right now so please support our efforts to keep the status quo, not because it has anything to do with the quality of education your children recieve but because we will be unhappy if we lose any of that."  Then there would be no bullshit to call out.

they get really nice salaries?

[Eddie Teach]

Not compared to pharmacists.

[grumbler]

I certainly get a "hate" vibe from Republicans concerning Unions.  But if the Teacher's union said that they believe Republicans love them everything would then be hunky-dory?  Is that your answer?

No.  For everything to be hunky dory the teachers' unions would have to say "we get really nice salaries right now and enormous pensions, and we can't be fired, but unfortunately the state representatives we bought and paid for are in the minority right now so please support our efforts to keep the status quo, not because it has anything to do with the quality of education your children recieve but because we will be unhappy if we lose any of that."  Then there would be no bullshit to call out.

they get really nice salaries?

No, and they can be fired.  Don't know about what pensions he refers to - most teachers seem to get standard public employee pensions.  But Yi never lets facts get in the way of his rants.

[Admiral Yi]

they get really nice salaries?

71K goes pretty far in Wisconsin.  65K goes pretty far in Georgia.  86K goes pretty far in upstate New York.

[sbr]

Link?

[grumbler]

Link?

Here's the Adirondack Central School System link for wages:
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/new-york/teacher-salary-in-adirondack-central-school-district/
Here's a list of who actually makes what in New York State http://www.seethroughny.net/StatePayroll/tabid/69/Default.aspx?BRANCHID=6

Search for Adirondack Central Schools, and you will find that 5 teachers make $85,000 or more, out of 113.

I suppose $86,000 does go pretty far, but less than 5% of teachers in ACSS make that much.

I could go on, but these are mere facts, and would serve only to disrupt a pretty amusing rant.

[Razgovory]

I certainly get a "hate" vibe from Republicans concerning Unions.  But if the Teacher's union said that they believe Republicans love them everything would then be hunky-dory?  Is that your answer?

No.  For everything to be hunky dory the teachers' unions would have to say "we get really nice salaries right now and enormous pensions, and we can't be fired, but unfortunately the state representatives we bought and paid for are in the minority right now so please support our efforts to keep the status quo, not because it has anything to do with the quality of education your children receive but because we will be unhappy if we lose any of that."  Then there would be no bullshit to call out.

Okay, Rev. Moon.  I'll pass that along.  Of course Missouri Teachers don't have collective bargaining, so I don't know how much good it will do.  Oddly, we still have budget deficits.  One school district has gone to teaching only four days a week now, but that probably won't effect the quality of education those students receive.

[Sheilbh]

I don't want a guy who nods lovingly and feels the pain of the teachers' union.  I want a guy who calls them out on their bullshit.

He's not calling out the union - or even union officials - he's having a go at his constituents who are just teachers.  Now you can respectfully disagree and argue your case, but I get the sense he's doing it to bolster his national political credentials and for theatre.  I don't think that's a decent way for a Governor to deal with his constituents and I think given his position it's the behaviour of a bully.

Plus I think he'll hit a Gillian Duffy and say something to t

[Admiral Yi]

Link?

71 is from Time.  86 is from the NYT.

[Neil]

Link?

Here's the Adirondack Central School System link for wages:
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/new-york/teacher-salary-in-adirondack-central-school-district/
Here's a list of who actually makes what in New York State http://www.seethroughny.net/StatePayroll/tabid/69/Default.aspx?BRANCHID=6

Search for Adirondack Central Schools, and you will find that 5 teachers make $85,000 or more, out of 113.

I suppose $86,000 does go pretty far, but less than 5% of teachers in ACSS make that much.

I could go on, but these are mere facts, and would serve only to disrupt a pretty amusing rant.

Looking at your link, even the 10th percentile teachers are making roughly the median household income in Boonville, and housing prices there seem quite low.  Teaching would definitely be a good living there.  Mind you, that's not a bad thing, since Oneida County doesn't have a lot going for it.