Timmays to take over by 2019

[katmai]

But where will you take the brood if not America?

And for every Timmay there is a Funkmonk, Garbon and myself. So don't fret so much.

[Ed Anger]

I HATE NERDS

[katmai]

Time for the ogre avatar!

[Ed Anger]

Time for the ogre avatar!

Done.

[garbon]

The term Hispanic sucks ass.

I think it lumps together everyone from south of the border as a generic them. People from Central and South America deserve to be categorized according to their individual country of origin and racial/ethnic background just like people from Europe. An Argentinian of Italian descent, a Guatemalan of Mayan descent and a Dominican of African descent are different people and their degree of assimilation into the United States will be different all other things being equal.

Oh not this ridiculousness again. I'm don't all agree with what you are agitating for, but how did last year's census not do that?*




Looks like only Hispanics and Asians got to select a country of origin...with Asian countries of origin being "races".

That's why I find this minority/majority thing absurd, it is predicated on counting Hispanic whites as being forever outside the ''white mainstream", whatever the hell that means. The history of this country indicates the opposite will happen, just as Italian and Southeastern Europeans who were denigrated as being the swarthy other at the turn of the 20th century, Hispanics of white and later on white/native mixture will eventually be absorbed and accepted into the mainstream, while unfortunately those who are black Hispanics won't be. Hopefully that prejudice will be die sooner rather than later, but that day isn't here yet.

So you are positing that "Hispanic whites" will be folded into the "mainstream" while also noting that the prejudice will die out?

Similarly, Asians shouldn't be lumped together in one group. Japanese, Koreans, etc are not the same.

But Africans should?

*as an editorial aside, perhaps this splitting of race/origin into thousands of combination will eventually lead us to the realization that race is an outmoded concept. Although for the moment, it seems that while a person is free to check off so many little options, that data eventually gets folded into the old favorite groupings. (http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map - click on any one of the racial grouping tabs)

[jimmy olsen]

Looks like only Hispanics and Asians got to select a country of origin...with Asian countries of origin being "races".

So you are positing that "Hispanic whites" will be folded into the "mainstream" while also noting that the prejudice will die out?

Similarly, Asians shouldn't be lumped together in one group. Japanese, Koreans, etc are not the same.

But Africans should?

*as an editorial aside, perhaps this splitting of race/origin into thousands of combination will eventually lead us to the realization that race is an outmoded concept. Although for the moment, it seems that while a person is free to check off so many little options, that data eventually gets folded into the old favorite groupings. (http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map - click on any one of the racial grouping tabs)

I didn't see the '10 census since I was in Korea, I assumed it was similar to the '00 one.

The prejudice I'm talking about is the one against those of African descent.

No, Africans shouldn't. However aside from recent migrants it would be impossible for the vast majority to report the nation of origin of their ancestors given the lack of records.

[Neil]

Yes they should.  Don't be an idiot in the name of equality, Tim.  The African countries are not the equals of the nation-states.

[garbon]

I didn't see the '10 census since I was in Korea, I assumed it was similar to the '00 one.

Gotcha. But yeah the 2010 census had all of those useless check boxes.

However aside from recent migrants it would be impossible for the vast majority to report the nation of origin of their ancestors given the lack of records.

So they wouldn't. No big deal to provide the option if you think that it is valuable for the census to ask country of origin.

Oh and for you and Neil, the 2010 census doesn't provide the option to select country of origin if you are a "non-hispanic white".

[grumbler]

In any case, I'm kinda surprised that for all the "melting pot" analogies going on for decades if not centuries in the US, people of white race (with no mixture of non-"white" genes) still constitute majority of the country's population. It's not as much melting pot, as Ceasar's salad.

I think it is interesting that you buy into this concept of "races."  There is just one race:  the human race.  All the rest of it isn't about genetics, it is about words. 

[Slargos]

In any case, I'm kinda surprised that for all the "melting pot" analogies going on for decades if not centuries in the US, people of white race (with no mixture of non-"white" genes) still constitute majority of the country's population. It's not as much melting pot, as Ceasar's salad.

I think it is interesting that you buy into this concept of "races."  There is just one race:  the human race.  All the rest of it isn't about genetics, it is about words.

To an outsider like you, I am sure it seems that way.

[Razgovory]

In all likely hood, Hispanic will just be considered white in the future.

[dps]

The term Hispanic sucks ass.

I think it lumps together everyone from south of the border as a generic them. People from Central and South America deserve to be categorized according to their individual country of origin and racial/ethnic background just like people from Europe. An Argentinian of Italian descent, a Guatemalan of Mayan descent and a Dominican of African descent are different people and their degree of assimilation into the United States will be different all other things being equal. That's why I find this minority/majority thing absurd, it is predicated on counting Hispanic whites as being forever outside the ''white mainstream", whatever the hell that means. The history of this country indicates the opposite will happen, just as Italian and Southeastern Europeans who were denigrated as being the swarthy other at the turn of the 20th century, Hispanics of white and later on white/native mixture will eventually be absorbed and accepted into the mainstream, while unfortunately those who are black Hispanics won't be. Hopefully that prejudice will be die sooner rather than later, but that day isn't here yet.

Similarly, Asians shouldn't be lumped together in one group. Japanese, Koreans, etc are not the same.

Would you say that grouping Chinese and Koreans, or Mexicans and Guatemalans together makes less sense than grouping all Europeans together? An honest question.

I think what Timmay is getting at (though I'm not entirely certain) is that while, for example, "Chinese" or "German" both are nationalities and also ethnicities, "Mexican" is a nationality, but not an ethnicitiy, any more than "American" is an ethnicity.  By putting anyone with roots in Latin America into an ethnic group called "Hispanic", you're creating a group that, essentially, is a fiction.

[The Brain]

In any case, I'm kinda surprised that for all the "melting pot" analogies going on for decades if not centuries in the US, people of white race (with no mixture of non-"white" genes) still constitute majority of the country's population. It's not as much melting pot, as Ceasar's salad.

I think it is interesting that you buy into this concept of "races."  There is just one race:  the human race.  All the rest of it isn't about genetics, it is about words.

[garbon]

you're creating a group that, essentially, is a fiction.

But that applies to the whole exercise.

[Neil]

In any case, I'm kinda surprised that for all the "melting pot" analogies going on for decades if not centuries in the US, people of white race (with no mixture of non-"white" genes) still constitute majority of the country's population. It's not as much melting pot, as Ceasar's salad.

I think it is interesting that you buy into this concept of "races."  There is just one race:  the human race.  All the rest of it isn't about genetics, it is about words.

Fuck you, hippie.  You unscientific bullshit has been noted.