Darkest Hour?

[Berkut]

How long did it take to train a new division in WWII?  Say, a typical Infantry division.

That would really depend.

The Soviets raised them, trained them, and lost them in a loss less time than that...

[Habbaku]

One thing that will take some getting used to, but that I think I like over vanilla HOI 2, is that divisions take a lower amount of IC to build but take considerably longer to actually finish.  It takes nearly a year to build a new infantry division, so you have to plan for the long-term rather than just spamming divisions.

Are there cheapo brands of infantry divisions you can raise in a hurry?  it sure doesn't take a year to create the troops or equipment and few German soldiers in late WW2, for instance, spent a year between conscription and action.

Yes, there are cheap and quick to build militia and garrison divisions.  Militia, unlike vanilla HOI, aren't even terrible, just not worth it if you have the time to build regulars.  There are also techs that decrease the build time.

Typing on a Blackberry is annoying.

[Ape]

How long did it take to train a new division in WWII?  Say, a typical Infantry division.

Basic training takes about 4-6 weeks depending. But if you only send out troops with BT they'll be awfully green. If you're raising a division from scratch, i.e training all specialists and such it would take at least a year, but if you're able to siphon off specialists and officers from other formations, I'd say after four months of training you'll have a division that can at least hold a defensive position.

[grumbler]

Yes, there are cheap and quick to build militia and garrison divisions.  Militia, unlike vanilla HOI, aren't even terrible, just not worth it if you have the time to build regulars.  There are also techs that decrease the build time.

Then that sounds about right.  Getting a 'real" infantry division might well have taken all or most of a year, given the need to train at so many different levels.  The German "Old men and Boys" Volksgrenadier divisions certainly were not at that level of skill... but then, neither were their opponents.

[Faeelin]

Yes, there are cheap and quick to build militia and garrison divisions.  Militia, unlike vanilla HOI, aren't even terrible, just not worth it if you have the time to build regulars.  There are also techs that decrease the build time.

Then that sounds about right.  Getting a 'real" infantry division might well have taken all or most of a year, given the need to train at so many different levels.  The German "Old men and Boys" Volksgrenadier divisions certainly were not at that level of skill... but then, neither were their opponents.

?? Was the American military that bad or were the Volkssturm units only deployed to the Eastern Front?

[Razgovory]

Volkstrum and Volksgrenadiers were different formations.

[Spooky]

One thing that will take some getting used to, but that I think I like over vanilla HOI 2, is that divisions take a lower amount of IC to build but take considerably longer to actually finish.  It takes nearly a year to build a new infantry division, so you have to plan for the long-term rather than just spamming divisions.

Are there cheapo brands of infantry divisions you can raise in a hurry?  it sure doesn't take a year to create the troops or equipment and few German soldiers in late WW2, for instance, spent a year between conscription and action.

Yes, there are cheap and quick to build militia and garrison divisions.  Militia, unlike vanilla HOI, aren't even terrible, just not worth it if you have the time to build regulars.  There are also techs that decrease the build time.

Typing on a Blackberry is annoying.

Owning a Blackberry is annoying. Its like being stuck in 2005, forever.  How do you like the Jonas Brothers, see Rome yet?


How is the map in Darkest Hour? HOI2 has some serious edges in gameplay over HOI3(Notably, research teams), but the map is dramatically inferior. The small number of provinces make getting "rolled" all too easy, especially when combined with what appears to be a year long time to replace infantry.  HOI3's dramatic increase in the number of provinces made advanced tactics, vast fronts where one could be gaining and losing at the same time, and actual strategic maneuvers viable.

I would want something reminiscent of that.

[sbr]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?528564-Screen-shots-from-the-game

That's the WWI scenario.

[grumbler]

?? Was the American military that bad or were the Volkssturm units only deployed to the Eastern Front?

The Volksturm were even worse.  They may, indeed, have been deployed only against the Soviets.  Not sure they were ever organized in divisions, though.

[HisMajestyBOB]

How is DH with deterministic events?
A lot of the HoI2 mods, as well as Iron Cross, suffer from events that basically force you down one path. E.g. in IC, if you don't follow an event path when starting Barbarossa, you get penalties. You can't just declare war using the diplomatic option.

[Faeelin]

For $10, I bought it. The WW1 scneario is a bit flawed, but I think it's worth it for that alone; just not sure why the Brest Litovsk events are so buggy.

[Lettow77]

 A small quibble, but revolters that have ministers in WW2 lack them in WW1.

Most specifically, of course, this applies to the Confederacy. A shame, as a breakaway Confederacy is more plausible in 1914 than 1941.

[Faeelin]

A small quibble, but revolters that have ministers in WW2 lack them in WW1.

Most specifically, of course, this applies to the Confederacy. A shame, as a breakaway Confederacy is more plausible in 1914 than 1941.

Indeed.



I look forward to making a series of events for the black uprising as they burn your fields while General Pershing breaks the Confederate war machine by occupying Alabama.

[Lettow77]

 On that note, I really thought the South's IC was overstated. 122, really? Far be it from me to doubt it, but I was surprised it had the industrial capacity of a world power.

[Faeelin]

On that note, I really thought the South's IC was overstated. 122, really? Far be it from me to doubt it, but I was surprised it had the industrial capacity of a world power.

The war did destroy the southern capital system, and Birmingham did face a handicap in industrializing with the way the American steel industry was structured, thanks to Pittsburgh.

The bigger handicaps to southern industrialization would have been a lack of education and protective tariffs, IMO. Though I'm not sure the former would remain a problem if the south had won.