[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[crazy canuck]

Come on it's a very gutsy thing to do. Carry that fucking sign up her skirt until the right moment, and then do it; and that this will probably follow her around for a while, is pretty gutsy. In my book.

Fine, but dont try to argue that your book is not motivated by your ideological bent.  Your protestations to the contrary are not very convincing.

[Ed Anger]

I need a better picture to full determine her hittable factor.

*research underway*

[Zoupa]

Stop being so fucking  . It's pretty tame, just holding up a sign.

Girl had cojones to pull that shit. Props.

[HVC]

Stop being so fucking  . It's pretty tame, just holding up a sign.

Girl had cojones to pull that shit. Props.

They should have tased her. then everybody wins

[Neil]

Oh come on. She's got balls. All the best to her. We need more people like her. Canadians are otherwise too boring.

We really don't.  I mean, I have nothing but contempt for protesters of any kind, but at least the rest of the bunch choose the right place and time for their nonsense.  The Senate Chamber during the throne speech is never the right place or time.

Disagree. Everyone is talking about her. Protests work best when they're not the right time. It's like nothing bothers me more than protestors demonstrating outside parliament in summer or on weekends...dudes, nobody's  home.

Everyone is talking about how retarded she is.  Sure, people who are uncritical Harper-haters are all a-tizzy over how 'heroic' she is, but anyone with a shred of principles is quick to condemn her.  Hell, when Elizabeth May is saying that it was inappropriate, you know you've stepped over the line.

In other news, the NDP is trying to pull that 'attendance' attack on Harper.  They're going to get crushed.

[crazy canuck]

Stop being so fucking  . It's pretty tame, just holding up a sign.

Girl had cojones to pull that shit. Props.

Its funny how the same people who were condemning the manufactured contempt of parliament during last election think that this actual contempt of parliament is no big deal.

[Admiral Yi]

Come on it's a very gutsy thing to do. Carry that fucking sign up her skirt until the right moment, and then do it; and that this will probably follow her around for a while, is pretty gutsy. In my book.

What's gutsy about it?  The way she unflinchingly chose a destiny that she knew could only end with the agonizing result of being escorted out of the room by an elderly gentlemen in a Pirates of Penzanze hat?

[HVC]

Stop being so fucking  . It's pretty tame, just holding up a sign.

Girl had cojones to pull that shit. Props.

Its funny how the same people who were condemning the manufactured contempt of parliament during last election think that this actual contempt of parliament is no big deal.

There's a difference from the prime minister showing contempt and this little doche(tte?) performing her stunt.

[crazy canuck]

There's a difference from the prime minister showing contempt and this little doche(tte?) performing her stunt.

Yes, reasonable people could easily disagree on whether not providing certain spending estimates was a contempt of Parliament.  No reasonable argument could be made that this was not a contempt of Parliament.

The issue that interests me is how Josephus can claim that his characterization of these events is not ideologically driven.

[Jacob]

Its funny how the same people who were condemning the manufactured contempt of parliament during last election think that this actual contempt of parliament is no big deal.

I thought there was something to the contempt of parliament thing, and I think this protest was inappropriate too.

What's funny is that you consider this outrageous, but had nothing against Harper's contempt of parliament. I guess you're pretty partisan in how you view these things as well.

[crazy canuck]

What's funny is that you consider this outrageous, but had nothing against Harper's contempt of parliament. I guess you're pretty partisan in how you view these things as well.

Why do you find that so funny?  In my view Harper was not in contempt of Parliament and having the three opposition parties looking forward to a general election getting together to have a vote on the issue doesnt make it so. 

As I said before no reasonable argument could be made that this antic was not a contempt of Parliament.  And so lets assume, for the sake of argument, that one did think that both Harper and this Page were in contempt.  Wouldn't it then be logical for people like Zoupa and Josephus to think both acts of contempt were worthy of rebuke?

Josephus does not seem to think so.  I think the obvious implication is he does not because of his particular ideological leaning.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought the contempt motion was purely pro forma.  Were there any particulars that a dispassionate outsider would deem truely contemptuous?

[crazy canuck]

I thought the contempt motion was purely pro forma.  Were there any particulars that a dispassionate outsider would deem truely contemptuous?

The only person that could have found Harper in contempt of Parliament was the Speaker of the House.  The opposition started down that road but it became clear from his preliminary rulings that the Speaker would not rule in favour of such a motion.

That is when the opposition changed tactics and went with this rather bizarre notion that they themselves could declare the government was in comtempt simply because they held the balance of seats.  The only reason they did it was for political show since they knew they were about to bring down the government.

Besides a lengthy legal debate in Parliament over whether not providing certain spending estimates was a contempt would not have been the kind of political drama the opposition parties were after.  They wanted a show and that is all it was.

[Jacob]

I thought the contempt motion was purely pro forma.  Were there any particulars that a dispassionate outsider would deem truely contemptuous?

Withholding information from parliament, when parliament was legally entitled to that information.

You may consider that everyday political shenanigans, I suppose, but for obvious Conservative ideologues like CC the natural conclusion is that their judgement is derived from their political affinities.

[Zoupa]

What's funny is that you consider this outrageous, but had nothing against Harper's contempt of parliament. I guess you're pretty partisan in how you view these things as well.

Why do you find that so funny?  In my view Harper was not in contempt of Parliament and having the three opposition parties looking forward to a general election getting together to have a vote on the issue doesnt make it so. 

As I said before no reasonable argument could be made that this antic was not a contempt of Parliament.  And so lets assume, for the sake of argument, that one did think that both Harper and this Page were in contempt.  Wouldn't it then be logical for people like Zoupa and Josephus to think both acts of contempt were worthy of rebuke?

Josephus does not seem to think so.  I think the obvious implication is he does not because of his particular ideological leaning.

The difference is in their respective jobs, and the influence that comes with it. Of course you know that, but whenever canadian politics come up you're a complete asswipe, so I'm not sure it's worth discussing anything related to that topic with you.