[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

If you are meowtf-ing the substance then yeah, I can only agree with HVC that Harper's flirtation with xenophobia (the "barbaric practices hotline" et. al.) was distasteful.

nothing surprises me anymore of the left.  Had Harper promised a public inquiry on "damages done to first nations women" you guys would have found a way to twist it and make it sound barbaric.

there was nothing xenophobic about the hotline.  The name wasn't very well tought of, sure, but the intent was good.  Many women of certain cultural communities are victims of barbaric practices and have no idea where to seek help from (I guess in your outrage, you forgot of the Shaffia girls, or simply dismissed it as an isolated incident, not reflecting the state of mind of many immigrants arriving here with customs radically different than our own).

You just told them "Fuck you! I won't help you".  And you make it sound like it's a fight against racism.  That is distaful.  But you are from the left, that is expected, I guess.

[Jacob]

 

[Grey Fox]

They didn't build a deep sea port in the Arctic.

We had one in Churchill.  Your dear Liberal Party sold it.  And then the company shut it down at the end of 2015.  I still see no plans from the Liberal government to reopen a port on the Arctic.  How is this terrible for the Conservatives but not for the Liberals.

The Conservatives announced plans for a refueling station, the Nanisivik Naval Facility, and construction is well under way.

And btw, they did fund an highway between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk, the only other port on the Arctic.

Again, I see nothing wrong here.

That's terrible for the Liberals too. We have terrible political parties

[Josephus]

So apparently Nova Scotia had an election yesterday. And get this----the results are out ALREADY

[HVC]

So apparently Nova Scotia had an election yesterday. And get this----the results are out ALREADY

They have the population of Mississauga, I'm surprised it took them that long lol

[saskganesh]

Viper, if a crime is being committed , one calls 911.

A special barbaric practises hotline is just a dog whistle for racists like you. You don't really give a shit about muzlims.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, the irony is that we found out after the election that Harper had nothing to do with the tip line, but it was a good indication that even he was starting to lose his grip on the social conservative wing of the party.

I think you're the one losing your grip.

The kind of nationalist rhetoric that the "cultural practices hotline" tries to tap into has little to nothing to do with social conservatism.

The first thing to note is you are downplaying the actual term that was used.  It was a barbaric cultural practices hotline.

The second thing is there is not a 100% correlation between social conservatives and xenophobes and racists but to suggest the two views have "little or nothing" to do with each other is an astonishing claim.

[Malthus]

Yeah, the irony is that we found out after the election that Harper had nothing to do with the tip line, but it was a good indication that even he was starting to lose his grip on the social conservative wing of the party.

I think you're the one losing your grip.

The kind of nationalist rhetoric that the "cultural practices hotline" tries to tap into has little to nothing to do with social conservatism.

The first thing to note is you are downplaying the actual term that was used.  It was a barbaric cultural practices hotline.

The second thing is there is not a 100% correlation between social conservatives and xenophobes and racists but to suggest the two views have "little or nothing" to do with each other is an astonishing claim.

Way I look at it is this: however anyone labels it, the fact that the party indulged in such a harmful frivolity indicates that Harper had lost his grip on it. At his peak, he was capable of bashing the lunatics in his own party in line with a certain ruthlessness, to focus on essentials - which is what swing voters admired about him (he certainly was not admired for his cuddly humanity, of which he had precious little  ).

This is the concern about Trudeau, who in contrast to Harper is admired for his cuddly humanity: that he doesn't have that ruthless grip on his party, which may therefore be emboldened to go off on frolics of a Liberal nature. These are unlikely to be anywhere near as nasty as the conservative frolics, though. 

This is more in the way of a long term future concern, though. Right now, Trudeau has little to worry about, because everyone is busy comparing him to Trump; he can't help appearing to be a freaking genius when the basis of comparison is set so low. 

[HVC]

So looks like Ontario is going to get like 32% increase in the min wage. going up to 15 from 11.40. Or at least that's the vote buying plan.

[Barrister]

Yeah, the irony is that we found out after the election that Harper had nothing to do with the tip line, but it was a good indication that even he was starting to lose his grip on the social conservative wing of the party.

I think you're the one losing your grip.

The kind of nationalist rhetoric that the "cultural practices hotline" tries to tap into has little to nothing to do with social conservatism.

The first thing to note is you are downplaying the actual term that was used.  It was a barbaric cultural practices hotline.

The second thing is there is not a 100% correlation between social conservatives and xenophobes and racists but to suggest the two views have "little or nothing" to do with each other is an astonishing claim.

I really don't think so.  Social conservatives, usually religious, are concerned about the sanctity of life.  They're some of the first ones to reach out to refugees and new immigrants.  The church I attend (same one as Harper) went out of its way to try and aid and assist immigrant communities in Edmonton.

[viper37]

Viper, if a crime is being committed , one calls 911.

Easy to say for us.  We were born here, we lived our whole life here.  We know where to go, when to go.

People arriving here, somewhat shielded from other communities due to the barrier language, and the cultural ones may have more troubles.  Going against your family, your people's traditions, that's something.  911 is not anonymous and only responds to emergency.  This hotline was for other, less pressing purpose.

And 911 is for emergencies only.  You don't call 911 because you dad wants you to marry his 3rd cousin from Albania.
You likely won't have your cell at 8 years old when your family members bring you to have your genitals mutilated.  You don't call 911 because you suspect something is wrong with people you know of, that's not their role.

I guess these women forgot to call 911.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-female-genital-mutilation-fgm/4-fgm-canada

But hey, by all means, let's do nothing at all.  It would be racist to even think of doing something.

[Razgovory]

Doesn't Canada have something equivalent to social services?

[viper37]

Doesn't Canada have something equivalent to social services?

it varies from provinces to provinces.  They can't even tailor it for natives who've been here longer than us, and somehow, they expect it to work just fine for communities totally alien to us.

[viper37]

Alberta schools to girls: don't dress too hot

"When you wear little to no clothing and dress provocatively because it's 'too hot out' or because you think it's 'attractive,' you are putting boys at risk of having a distracting working environment and saying, 'your clothing is more important than their education.' Instead of dressing like a THOT, value the male education and dress conservatively."

"THOT", by the way, is slang for "that ho over there."

here's a preview of next year's school outfit:

[Camerus]

Alberta schools? The article says the note was written by some boys at the school.