TV/Movies Megathread

[Berkut]

2001 the novel is an adaptation of the film and not the opposite, you know...

I did not know that! Interesting....

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

And I like 2010, too. I think the film is unfairly maligned because it's a sequel to one of cinema's masterpieces.

I did not even know it was all that maligned....it is a very different kind of movie from 2001, for sure.

It's kind of like how Aliens is a very different movie from Alien, but they are both great.

[Syt]

Apparently there's a Rocky IV Director's Cut that restores 40 minutes worth of scenes?

[Malthus]

2010

One of my favorite Sci-Fi movies. It holds up reasonably well.

Both 2001 and 2010 would be great to be re-done, IMO. Update the story a bit, and re-imagine it re-based on Clarks novels....

2001 holds up amazingly well, considering it was made in 1968!

[Barrister]

2010

One of my favorite Sci-Fi movies. It holds up reasonably well.

Both 2001 and 2010 would be great to be re-done, IMO. Update the story a bit, and re-imagine it re-based on Clarks novels....

Suggesting you re-make 2001 should be grounds to have you burned at the stake.

[The Brain]

Apparently there's a Rocky IV Director's Cut that restores 40 minutes worth of scenes?

I thought Drago's Rap had been lost?

[Admiral Yi]

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

Please elaborate. 

[Barrister]

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

Please elaborate. 

The book states plainly that Dave Bowman becomes the Starchild, the next step in human evolution.

It also says the Starchild kills off the human race in like the last paragraph.

[Admiral Yi]

OK.  And I suppose that is achieved through some magical intervention by whatever master race has been manipulating our evolution from afar?

[Malthus]

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

Please elaborate. 

The book states plainly that Dave Bowman becomes the Starchild, the next step in human evolution.

It also says the Starchild kills off the human race in like the last paragraph.

I think the Starchild blows up an orbiting nuke, rather than destroying the human race, but I haven't read it in years. My memory is that what the Starchikd would do next was left ambiguous.

Overall, the Cold War stuff was more prominent in the book - in the movie, for example, the famous scene where the apeman throws the bone into the air and it cuts to a satellite, the satellite was the orbiting nuke (thematically: the first true "weapon", and the latest - bone club into nuke), but that isn't made clear in the movie.

[Josquius]

Isn't there 2 sequels?
Destroy the human race?
I have the novel around somewhere but don't think I ever read it. It's on the list.

[Malthus]

OK.  And I suppose that is achieved through some magical intervention by whatever master race has been manipulating our evolution from afar?

In book and movie, aliens were directly interfering in human evolution over millions of years, and changing Bowman was the next step in their plan. Their ultimate purpose for doing this isn't stated.

[Barrister]

Curiously book 2001 also has them voyage to Saturn.  I think they had to go to Iapetus, which was chosen because of the extreme brightness disparity between it's light and dark haves - which must be where the aliens are.

[Maladict]

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

Please elaborate. 

The book states plainly that Dave Bowman becomes the Starchild, the next step in human evolution.

It also says the Starchild kills off the human race in like the last paragraph.

I think the Starchild blows up an orbiting nuke, rather than destroying the human race, but I haven't read it in years. My memory is that what the Starchikd would do next was left ambiguous.

Kubrick didn't want the nuke scene in the movie because it got too close to Dr Strangelove thematically.

And I believe Saturn proved too difficult for special effects, so Jupiter was substituted.
Interestingly Clarke switched it over to Jupiter as well in the sequels, probably because the data from Voyager gave him the idea for life on Europa.

[celedhring]

I read the novel ages ago, so my memory is hazy, but I recall that it made explicit and concrete a lot of stuff that the film left unexplained (like the visions at the end, or what made HAL malfunction). I remember liking the film more, in that regard.

Please elaborate. 

The book states plainly that Dave Bowman becomes the Starchild, the next step in human evolution.

It also says the Starchild kills off the human race in like the last paragraph.

I think the Starchild blows up an orbiting nuke, rather than destroying the human race, but I haven't read it in years. My memory is that what the Starchikd would do next was left ambiguous.

Overall, the Cold War stuff was more prominent in the book - in the movie, for example, the famous scene where the apeman throws the bone into the air and it cuts to a satellite, the satellite was the orbiting nuke (thematically: the first true "weapon", and the latest - bone club into nuke), but that isn't made clear in the movie.

Also IIRC in the book the visions before he becomes Starchild are of other civilizations travelling space, instead of the abstract shapes in the movie. 

Moreover, in the book HAL malfunctions because he's been programmed to lie to the crew (keeping the purpose of the mission a secret), which conflicts with his directive to serve the crew.

[Barrister]

Moreover, in the book HAL malfunctions because he's been programmed to lie to the crew (keeping the purpose of the mission a secret), which conflicts with his directive to serve the crew.

It's kind of implied that's the reason in the movie.  And explicitly stated in 2010 the movie.