No change soon on `don't ask, don't tell'

[Valmy]

Here's a Huntington's map of civilizations. Poland and Hungary are in the Western one. 

Ok how is Latin America not Western?

[Ed Anger]

I'm white and I want Marti's rights taken away. Just Marti's.

I can support this.

Let us jam the vote through and celebrate with a pancake dinner.

[DisturbedPervert]

Here's a Huntington's map of civilizations. Poland and Hungary are in the Western one. 

So is Papua New Guinea.

[Faeelin]

What a stupid map. How are Chile and Argentina less Western than Romania?

Pssst, on that map Romania isn't Western...

Pff. I don't think I can be bothered to look overly closely at where the arbitrary eastern european line has been drawn.

[Eochaid]

Pff. I don't think I can be bothered to look overly closely at where the arbitrary eastern european line has been drawn.

"I disagree with what that map shows and will therefore totally ignore it"

The definition, nomenclature, and even the number of civilizations are somewhat ambiguous in Huntington's works. Civilizations may consist of states and social groups (such as ethnic and religious minorities). Predominant religion seems to be the main criterion of his classification, but in some cases geographical proximity and linguistic similarity are important as well. Using various studies of history, Huntington divided the world into the "major" civilizations in his thesis as such:

    * Western civilization, centered on Australasia, Northern America, and Europe (excluding most of Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Huntington also includes the rest of Oceania. Whether Latin America and the former member states of the Soviet Union are included, or are instead their own separate civilizations, will be an important future consideration for those regions, according to Huntington.
          o Latin America. Includes Central America (excluding Belize), South America (excluding the Guianas), Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Mexico. May be considered a part of Western civilization, though it has slightly distinct social and political structures from Europe and Northern America. Many people of the Southern Cone, however, regard themselves as full members of the Western civilization.

Kevin

[PDH]

Let us jam the vote through and celebrate with a pancake dinner.

Jam and pancakes for everyone!

[Ed Anger]

Let us jam the vote through and celebrate with a pancake dinner.

Jam and pancakes for everyone!

Except for Marti. Flamboyant homos not allowed.

[Neil]

I'm a little offended at you trying to define what 'most Western people' might think.  Remember, you are not Western.

Actually, he is.

Even Huntington says so

Kevin

Poland was in the Warsaw Pact.  It is thus not part of the West.  It is, by right, Russian.  Its people are Russians.

[Neil]

"I disagree with what that map shows and will therefore totally ignore it"

To be fair, that's no worse a position than "I agree with what the map shows, and therefore it is authoritive".

[Eochaid]

To be fair, that's no worse a position than "I agree with what the map shows, and therefore it is authoritive".

I don't actually agree with Huntington.

It's just that Huntington can hardly be called a euroweenie or a commie-lover, so I just took him as an example.

Kevin

[garbon]

We're now in the 21st century. Outmoded much?

[The Brain]

Huntington seems to be a retard. Correct?

[dps]

Here's a Huntington's map of civilizations. Poland and Hungary are in the Western one. 

So is Papua New Guinea.

Papua New Guinea is more Western than Poland.

[Martinus]

Here's a Huntington's map of civilizations. Poland and Hungary are in the Western one. 

Ok how is Latin America not Western?

One word: katmai.

[Martinus]

Let us jam the vote through and celebrate with a pancake dinner.

Jam and pancakes for everyone!

Except for Marti. Flamboyant homos not allowed.

I'm not flamboyant. I'm exuberant.