Refractory Gauls, or the French politics thread

[viper37]

Mélenchon is the guy that loves Putin for some reason. LePen is the gal that Putin bought. 

Choose your evil.

This is always the left's problem.  Theu sell themselves for cheap.

[Jacob]

Is it that Melenchon is bamboozled by Putin and genuinely buys his rhetoric somehow?

[Valmy]

Is it that Melenchon is bamboozled by Putin and genuinely buys his rhetoric somehow?

More that he is a "America Bad" type leftist who thinks NATO is some kind of evil empire. Thus likes everybody who is against NATO.

At least that is my impression. But thinking America Bad and that NATO is somehow threatening French sovereignty isn't exactly that outside of the norm for French politicians.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

soumission still on track in other words...

It's better than the pro-Putin party cutting off all aid to Ukraine.

Marine Le Pen had announced just 2 days ago that she would impose restrictions on Ukraine to their use of French weapons against Russia.

Macron is an idiot, as much as Justin Trudeau is.  "Post national country" only works when it suits them, as a political slogan.

Islamofools are far more dangerous than Le Pen though. They hate the very concept of the west

@sheilbh. That's just a lot of words to say that authoritarianism and antisemitism are okay as long is comes from the left.
The moderate left has no democratic hygiene ad thus doesn't have the moral capital to claim the other side is bad since they're promoting and cooperating with same shit. Just on their side of the political spectrum

[celedhring]

According to what Duque posted LFI only has 70ish seats in that left coalition. He is certainly a much lesser threat than RN at the moment. Potential influence in a wider coalition seems somewhat limited.

But France doesn't look very governable atm.

[Jacob]

Islamofools are far more dangerous than Le Pen though. They hate the very concept of the west.

Putin also hates the very concept of the West and is actively waging war to destroy us. If Le Pen is bought and paid for by Putin, she is a clear and present danger.

Le Pen leads to Orbanism and Trumpism compromising the French state. That is going to do deeper and longer lasting damage to the West than what the Islamists will be able to muster.

[Valmy]

Islamofools are far more dangerous than Le Pen though. They hate the very concept of the west

I guess I will wait to see all the Islam the French left tries to do then. If you are siding with Russia I have a hard time seeing you don't hate the very concept of the west, since that is what Russia seems to be primarily about.

But one group that hates the concept of the west might be worse than the other.

I mean when you say Islam, are you just saying they are pro-immigration in general? Or are they out to ban all alcoholic beverages in France? I mean I understand Le Pen and the FN, they have been around for ages. I don't really get the fanatically Islamic French Socialists. That wasn't around in the 1990s. So explain that one beyond just saying "fools! Islamofacists!" or whatever.

[Razgovory]

Islamofools are far more dangerous than Le Pen though. They hate the very concept of the west.

Putin also hates the very concept of the West and is actively waging war to destroy us. If Le Pen is bought and paid for by Putin, she is a clear and present danger.

Le Pen leads to Orbanism and Trumpism compromising the French state. That is going to do deeper and longer lasting damage to the West than what the Islamists will be able to muster.

What does Melon-Chan lead to?

[Valmy]

What does Melon-Chan lead to?

I guess we will find out.

[Jacob]

I guess we will find out.

Only if he wins the presidency in 2027.

I don't think we have as many comparables for Melenchon as we do for LePen. Like I said, we can look at Orban and Trump and several others for the type of approach LePen can be expected to take.

Who is a reasonable equivalent for Melenchon, who's actually had power? He seems to me kind of like a French Corbyn in terms of values and position, but Corbyn never actually gained power so it's pretty speculative.

[Tamas]

Ideally the coalition around him will let him do some economic left-wing stuff (France is big on that anyhow isn't it) but block him from the "ah, Russia, MY kind of fascist empire!" things.

[Legbiter]

Ideally the coalition around him will let him do some economic left-wing stuff (France is big on that anyhow isn't it) but block him from the "ah, Russia, MY kind of fascist empire!" things.

Yeah this looks like a risky move that paid off for Macron. Very French result, a centrist president with a leftist government.

[Duque de Bragança]

soumission still on track in other words...

It's better than the pro-Putin party cutting off all aid to Ukraine.

Marine Le Pen had announced just 2 days ago that she would impose restrictions on Ukraine to their use of French weapons against Russia.

Macron is an idiot, as much as Justin Trudeau is.  "Post national country" only works when it suits them, as a political slogan.

Mélenchon's party is the (other) pro-Putin party that will cut all aid to Ukraine.

[Duque de Bragança]

Maybe France needs a better standard bearer for laïcité than Marine Le Pen.

Marine Le Pen is better, as in less bad, than Mélenchon in that aspect, that islamo-leftist Mélenchon.

[Duque de Bragança]

Maybe France needs a better standard bearer for laïcité than Marine Le Pen.

If only she was for laïcité.  She's just Richelieu in new clothes.

Bad example. Richelieu was actually quite competent. 
If helping himself with the French treasury (less so than Mazarin) though while leaving the French State in a much better... state.
Don't believe Alexandre Dumas, who himself changed view in the follow-ups of the Three Musketeers.