Refractory Gauls, or the French politics thread

[Valmy]

Fuck France we need to avoid having a Putin-cock sucker in charge of it.

Melenchon is no better. And he's a hamas cock-sucker as well

I thought he was talking about Mélenchon.

[Tamas]

Fuck France we need to avoid having a Putin-cock sucker in charge of it.

Melenchon is no better. And he's a hamas cock-sucker as well

I thought he was talking about Mélenchon.

Yes I was. I guess the guys answered our question whether Le Pen is Putinist as well.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Yes I was. I guess the guys answered our question whether Le Pen is Putinist as well.

RN probably is, might have distanced themselves a bit but who can be sure if it's sincere.
Not sure to what extent the euros will maintain support for Ukraine should Trump win, but that's not a new concern

[Josquius]

Isn't scaremongering about melenchon key to the fascists building support?
Age old tactics.
But his actual prospects of getting anywhere are very low right? - and if the stars aligned and  he somehow did win it would be with a coalition that neuters him significantly.

[Sheilbh]

He is running second and leads the largest party in the NPF. As I say I think it's Europe's nightmare that 2027 is Melenchon v Le Pen and I think that is increasingly likely. He is problematic not least on Putin - however this coyness about Le Pen whose party was literally funded by Russian loans is disingenuous at best. Le Pen has already been raising questions pushing the constitutional role of the government v the President in relation to foreign and defence policy.

As you say Melenchon will be constrained as part of the NPF by other parts of the left. But more fundamentally the RN likely PM has basically said that French citizens with a foreign heritage basically have nothing to fear as long as they behave.

I think it's bullshit to have any equivalence between a literal far right party and a broad coalition of all parties of the left. There shouldn't be any equivocating by Macron or anyone else. One side is democratic politics with universal values and the other isn't.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Isn't scaremongering about melenchon key to the fascists building support?
Age old tactics.
But his actual prospects of getting anywhere are very low right? - and if the stars aligned and  he somehow did win it would be with a coalition that neuters him significantly.

No that's  just you being in denial

[Crazy_Ivan80]

He is running second and leads the largest party in the NPF. As I say I think it's Europe's nightmare that 2027 is Melenchon v Le Pen and I think that is increasingly likely. He is problematic not least on Putin - however this coyness about Le Pen whose party was literally funded by Russian loans is disingenuous at best. Le Pen has already been raising questions pushing the constitutional role of the government v the President in relation to foreign and defence policy.

As you say Melenchon will be constrained as part of the NPF by other parts of the left. But more fundamentally the RN likely PM has basically said that French citizens with a foreign heritage basically have nothing to fear as long as they behave.

I think it's bullshit to have any equivalence between a literal far right party and a broad coalition of all parties of the left. There shouldn't be any equivocating by Macron or anyone else. One side is democratic politics with universal values and the other isn't.

Not really bs IMHO since the parties cooperating with the extreme left show that they care not about democratic hygiene or cordons sanitaires. If they did they wouldn't be cooperating with undemocratic parties, left or right.
So it's just about power and it's pretty much okay if their brand of authoritarianism gets into power.
Making, in other words, their outrage about that guy from les républicains (iirc) proposing to join forces with rn a load of hokum.

[Sheilbh]

Yes I was. I guess the guys answered our question whether Le Pen is Putinist as well.

I don't think we need to speculate:
https://x.com/mfa_russia/status/1808467403984031856?s=46&t=o9GOIj6BKKcLcHiyQTlAoA

[Valmy]

    

Yeah, that's how it has always been. France just does whatever Washington tells it to do.

[Duque de Bragança]

   

Yeah, that's how it has always been. France just does whatever Washington tells it to do.

Broad agreement between the left and right on this one.  

[Josquius]

Early signs are the French have realised they were on track to be embarrassed by the British.
Fingers crossed the polls are correct.

[Tamas]

[Duque de Bragança]

Pro-Putin islamo-leftist first, Zupiter's rump parties second, then RN i.e Marine/Bardella. Far behind, but still alive, remnants of the French conservatives i.e LR.
No majority. Mélenchon + Zupiter would give one, theoretically, but seems almost impossible in practice.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

soumission still on track in other words...

[Duque de Bragança]

According to le Monde:

entre 68 et 74 sièges pour LFI (islamo-leftists led by Mélenchon), entre 63 et 69 sièges pour le PS, entre 32 et 36 sièges pour les Ecologistes

sièges = seats
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/live/2024/07/07/en-direct-resultats-des-legislatives-2024-emmanuel-macron-attendra-la-structuration-de-la-nouvelle-assemblee-pour-prendre-les-decisions-necessaires-selon-l-elysee_6247441_823448.html?#id-1668597